What Does It Mean to Be Baptized in the Holy Spirit

What does it look like to actually live a Spirit-filled life? Not the theory — the practice. This episode walks through the biblical case for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, answers whether it is a one-time or ongoing experience, and gets practical about how ordinary believers grow in the presence and power of God.

In this episode:
• Every gospel writer frames Jesus as the Baptizer in the Holy Spirit — what that actually means
• Power and authority are different things — and Jesus gives believers both
• What Paul means when he says do not grieve the Holy Spirit — and the lists he puts around it
• Why bitterness, gossip, and unforgiveness are the exact things that block more of God
• Three prayers that will change how you do ministry

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Transcript

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I have to read a book.

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Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't want to take a test. What's up? Hi.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Hi Manj.

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I'm Darren.

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And I'm Allie. And this is the Bible study podcast where we are talking about Jesus and specifically we're talking about the Holy Spirit, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Yes. Amen?

SPEAKER_05 1:05

Amen. Amen.

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I love that both fingers need to aminum.

SPEAKER_05 1:10

Someone's gonna say that means something.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Yeah, no, it's not. No Illuminati, I swear. Just fingers. He's number one. We were talking about it the other day. Obviously, like the number one thing that people say about any sort of church or ministry or organization that gains like a following, ever like the number one label is like cult. People just love calling things a cult.

SPEAKER_05 1:32

So easy to dismiss that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Yeah, and me and Ali were taking a walk one day, and like I spend my days like doing like I'm not fit to be a cult leader. And like we were literally just laughing about it because like we sit every night, we're just eating goop kitchen.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

Yeah, like we just eat pizza and watch YouTube videos, sometimes like Pac-Man, you know, who cares?

SPEAKER_05 1:51

It's a funny thing, though, like the world that you guys live in. Because I when when that happened, when everyone was like, Oh, you did this, and I was like, if you had any idea, like if you knew chance and Angela and or me, you'd be like, Yeah, that's what we're doing. Yeah, right, right. Like that's it. Like talking about Jesus, trying to convince people about the Lord and all that, like, and this is like some type of conspiracy. Like, give me a break.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

People, it's crazy, it's crazy, but we love Jesus and you guys love Jesus, and we're here to learn and grow in the Lord and discover the things of heaven, yes, and encounter the Holy Spirit. How you guys doing today? Good, good, good. Solid.

SPEAKER_05 2:30

Okay, I'm ready to learn. I'm ready to dive in. I'm like, let's go. The last episode was great hearing all the stories, hearing about your testimony. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 2:39

Now I want to build a theology of the Holy Spirit. Should we do that? Like, yes. So I want to start with just start like for all the Bible loving Christians who maybe are want more of the Holy Spirit, and they're like, How do I construct a theology for this? I want to start in the gospels because one of the things when I kind of discovered the things of the spirit, I had to like rework my theology to go, okay, how come I miss this? And and and and I I went back and I looked and I found like if you go to the gospels, you see this prologue, you see like this kind of uh early foreshadow of what the future ministry of Jesus is gonna look like, and it comes in every gospel. So I just thought I'd jump through those texts. So let's grab our Bibles, go to um everyone have your Bibles? Everyone's got it, hold them in the air, hold them in the air. Good garden churches and house. Okay, I'm gonna read Matthew 3. You read Mark 1.8. Will you read Luke 3 16? And you'll see what I'm doing. I want to just I I love the I love doing this because I want to just give people lots of scripture. Okay, so it you're gonna read read Mark 1.8. I'm gonna read Matthew 3 first. It says this. So just this is where it goes. Matthew 3, verse 11 says, This is John the Baptist. He says, I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

So Matthew begins the narrative, the biography of Jesus. It starts with John the Baptist before Jesus' ministry. We know Jesus gets baptized, but John the Baptist is like the the foretold prophet that prepares the way for the coming Messiah. And he knows, he says, look, he's gonna say it, and you're gonna see this that hey, I'm baptizing you for the in water for repentance, but there's one coming who will baptize you in the Holy Spirit. Can I ask a question already? Let's go. No, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Okay. How does John know that?

SPEAKER_05 4:37

Well, how did God great question?

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Right? Because how would he uh okay, how does he know?

SPEAKER_05 4:43

Well, I my assumption is spirit and fire.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

How does he know?

SPEAKER_05 4:46

Well, so I I think there's we don't have a lot of we don't have a lot of like knowledge of John. We know that his parents were old when they got pregnant with John. Zechariah was serving in the temple and they had been praying for a child and that their prayers are answered, and it it's not just a child that's gonna be the one that prepares the way for the coming Messiah. So we know that he lived as a Nazirite according to the the scriptures. We know that he had a message of repentance. So my assumption, this is my assumption, is that he had a relationship with God.

SPEAKER_04 5:17

Right.

SPEAKER_05 5:18

And that God was disclosing things, and he says that the one that the dove rests on will be the Messiah. So he's baptizing folks, yeah, and he sees his cousin, Jesus, get the dove on him, and there you go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

And obviously, he's really prophetic because he prophesies that Jesus is coming.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

He operates as in the role of the Old Testament prophet. Yes. Okay, absolutely. So the Lord I think the Lord revealed it to him in his message. And then I mean, we will see that prophecy of the one coming, will baptize you. We'll see that fulfilled, and we'll get there in a second. We'll see that fulfilled in Acts. But I want to show you the other accounts because it's not just Matthew, go to Mark.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Mark 1.8 says, I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Okay, there it is again. Go to Luke 3, 16.

SPEAKER_03 6:05

I baptize you with water, but one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

SPEAKER_05 6:16

Okay, so I if if it's in all, so look at John chapter 1, verse 33. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me the man who uh on whom you see the spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 6:33

So Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, all frame Jesus' ministry as one who will be the baptizer in the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_04 6:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 6:41

So that's just as we think about the ministry of the Holy Spirit, Jesus is the baptizer. Are we good? We are so good.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Yeah, I really love him. I think he's great. Yeah, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_05 6:50

Okay, so I want to keep building on this thing. Acts 1, verse 5. I'm just, I can't help it. I'm a Bible teacher.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Please actually what we're here for.

SPEAKER_05 7:00

Hopefully you're falling in love with the word of God. Yes, Lord. Acts 1, 5. Now it's Jesus saying this. Okay. On one occasion, verse 4, on one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised. Okay, so Jesus and the Father, which you have heard me speak about, for John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So now we have Father, Son, Holy Spirit in two verses. You have the Trinitarian perspective. Jesus says, The Father is giving you a promised Holy Spirit, and that's in Acts. And then verse eight, he says, You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria to the ends of the earth.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

So good.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

I can't believe he calls him a gift.

SPEAKER_05 7:48

The gift from my father.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

And then after he said that, he was taken up before their very eyes on a cloud.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

He ascends in the Who is this guy?

SPEAKER_03 7:57

He's the best.

SPEAKER_05 7:58

And then he goes, Wait, keep reading, because I actually think the next part is comedy. So keep reading.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

I just want to make this they were looking intently up into the sky as he was going when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them, men of Galilee. They said, Why do you stand there looking into the sky? This same Jesus who has been taken from you into heaven will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven. And then I said, Jesus will come down on a cloud. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

Here's why I think it's comedy. Jesus literally says, You will receive power from my Holy Spirit to be witnesses, like to be martaria, like to go into the world and represent me wherever you go to the ends of the earth. And then he gets up into heaven, and the image in my head is the disciples staring in the sky. And then some angels come around and go, What are you doing here? Get to work.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

What are you staring for? Yeah.

unknown 8:54

Right.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

Well, honestly, I don't blame them. I would probably be like, You're like, come back. Wait a minute. Yeah, please come back. What's going on?

SPEAKER_05 9:00

Exactly. Okay, one more scripture. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna just give it all of it. Luke chapter 24. This is the resurrected Jesus. So remember, Acts is part two. Part one is the gospel of Luke.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Uh Luke what?

SPEAKER_05 9:14

Chapter 24. And we're gonna go to verse 44. So Jesus is raised from the dead, right? Before he ascends into heaven, we get this other picture, and it says, He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you. Everything must be filled that is written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms. So the Old Testament, everything has to be fulfilled. And then he says, Look at you asked for this last, yeah. Where is impartation? Right here. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. He told them that is uh this is what is written, the Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I'm going to send you what my father has promised, but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

He's talking about the spirit.

SPEAKER_05 10:11

So the first question I have is when you think of the Christian life, do you think of being clothed with power? I like just think about it. Like if you're listening, like how how for all of you Christians out there listening to this podcast, when you think about your life with Jesus right now, are you thinking about being clothed with power? Because this is what's been promised. Yeah. Baptism in the Spirit and fire. Fire. Power, dunymus is the word. Uh it means dynamite, dynamic. It's this the ability to do what you could never do, strength, capacity from God Himself. And so I just want to say that the Christian life has something to do with power.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Yeah, absolutely. An authority, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Power, well, the authority is different. Power is the ability to do something. This is great. Authority is the right to do it. Wow. So we do have power. Wow. And we have authority.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Authority comes from the right to do so good. Yes. That's really good.

SPEAKER_05 11:02

Like my kid has the power to take my keys and drive my car, but he does not have the authority to do that.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Wow. Wow, yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_05 11:08

So that's the difference. And Jesus gives us both. You're right. And we receive authority in relationship to Jesus, in relationship to God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

I'm I'm sorry, can I stuck on verse 45? Then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures.

SPEAKER_05 11:24

That's my prayer all the time.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

I fell in love with Jesus through the scriptures, and what wrecks me about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is that these really are just words, unless the Lord opens the scriptures for us. And if you look at Paul, he studied the same scriptures that we do today, but it led him to kill anybody who loved Jesus. And then it's only on the road to Damascus where the Holy Spirit encounters Paul, that his eyes open. Like the fact that the Holy Spirit literally has the ability to take the scales off our eyes and open our eyes to the truth of who Jesus is. It's so good. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_05 12:04

That's exactly right. Because you could have, I mean, I've been in university where professors teach the Bible but have no revelation of its power. They teach it as a document, not as the living word of God. But in this scenario, I think you look at in on the road to Emmaus, where Jesus is on the road to Emmaus, separately. On the road to Emmaus, where he's like teaching his two disciples, like he's walking with his disciples after he's raised from the dead, and they they sit down, and it says their heart, uh, and he opened, you know, breaks the bread, and then they realize it's Jesus. And it says their hearts were burning as they as he shared the scripture with them. And I think there is something about like coming to the scripture and asking the Lord for revelation, like open my eyes to see. Like we talked about, like you can study. There's tools out there that give you access to give you hunger, but the Holy Spirit can in li in in and give you revelation and empowerment to receive from from the word of God when you do quiet time or when you're about to preach. Like we know that for sure.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Can I just ask you kind of like an existential question? So the Holy Spirit, it says that you can't say that Jesus is Lord if not by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has to reveal Jesus to you.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Why is there like a partnering though? Because it's the Holy Spirit who opens our eyes and gives us the revelation of Jesus. But do we also have to have an open heart or a like why do some people's eyes get open and some people's don't?

SPEAKER_05 13:29

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 13:31

I have no idea. I know. I think, I mean, I don't want to I don't want to like uh break that down. I think hearts can be hardened, like lives can be resisted, um, lies can be believed. And I think again, this comes down to staying humble and open to what God wants to do. Totally, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 13:50

I think for me, I where where I want to go real quick is Jesus promises a baptism in the Holy Spirit. Yeah. So for me, the question then is how did the first century listener hear or understand baptism in the Holy Spirit? What does that mean? Right. So that's what I thought I could define. Because the the word baptize, there's two ideas that Jewish listen listeners would have had in the first century. The first is an idea of conversion, that to be baptized is to have new belief. So you get baptized into a new belief. But the other idea is immersion. So Jewish uh people would baptize Gentiles into Judaism who wish to convert to Judaism by having themselves immersed in water. The word baptize comes from baptizo, and it means to dip, it means to immerse, it means to wash, plunge, sink, overwhelm, soak. And the image is actually connected to what happens to a piece of cloth that is dipped into dye. The nature of the cloth changes when in that process of baptizo. In the New Testament, here's here's my deep study. Baptism is always in the spirit, not never of the spirit. It's not a baptism of the Holy Spirit, it's always baptism in the Holy Spirit. So it's not a noun like baptism of the Holy Spirit, it's always a verb, being baptized in the Spirit. And why that matters is so important because throughout scripture, the Spirit's baptizing is synonymous. It's the same as promising, clothing, empowering, pouring, receiving, filling, gifting. So the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the indwelling, the empowering, the clothing, the outpouring, and the filling of a believer with the presence of God. That's what Jesus intended it to mean. So the gospel writers say that the ministry of Jesus will be that. It will be like pickling us in the spirit, as my friend says. Like soak them in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a pickled onion. Yeah, like just plunging people into the Holy Spirit. So less of my cup being filled.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

And more of me being dunked into the Pacific Ocean of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

I love that.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

So that's that's the that is the theology of baptism. So that brings questions, which you asked last episode, and this has been debated for centuries. Like, are you filled or baptized in the Holy Spirit when you come to believe in Jesus? Like when you confess that Jesus is Lord and raised from the dead and are saved. Are you now filled with the baptism? Is that the moment? Or is there a second indwelling baptism? Or is there another third experience? And that actually is a theological debate. You don't know it's like for hundreds of years, thousands of years, people debate this.

SPEAKER_04 16:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 16:41

Is it one, like you get saved and you're filled, and you're you're the indwelling of the presence of God is with you, or is there a second like outpouring like in Acts? Like I know that during the Pentecostal movement, it was it was a secondary thing that they made as a doctrine. And the answer, it in my opinion, biblically, to make a biblical case to is it one, two, or three? The answer is yes. I know you're like, I want the answer.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Yeah, my logical analytical brain that that doesn't work for me.

SPEAKER_05 17:10

I need okay, so so Acts two, the age of the spirit is born, and the church is born on the day of Pentecost, right? We've talked, we just went through this a couple months ago and we started the book of Acts. Holy Spirit falls on the church, and so the the church, 120, are filled with the Holy Spirit, right? They're baptized in the Holy Spirit, they speak in known languages, tongues, and and all these different people from around the world hear praises being given to God. That's Acts 2. Like it's this like theophany of the presence of God is in the upper room. There's fire, there's wind, there's all this stuff going on. Clearly, the church is born, the Holy Spirit is baptizing folks in that moment, yes. But then it says in Acts 4, that same group, larger now, is filled again with the Holy Spirit. So I don't know how to argue this because as a pastor, I have seen people come to faith and receive the Holy Spirit immediately. My personal experience was I got baptized in water at 12. I was a Christian my whole life. I I kind of rejected the faith uh in high school at the end of high school into college. I came back to faith. I felt called into ministry, I was working at a church, and then I went to London at 22 and I was clearly baptized in the Holy Spirit. Wow. And ever since then, I've had lots of encounters where there was uh uh impartation and indwelling and uh a greater greater uh encounter. So I can I can just say that in my experience, was I saved when I got baptized when I was 12? Absolutely. Yeah, was I baptized in the Holy Spirit um in London? Yes. So that's my experience.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

I feel like I have the same experience. I remember I think it was Larissa Miller. I saw a clip of her talking about people getting saved, and she doesn't ask people, are you a Christian? She asks them, when is your born again? When was your born again day? Wow. Like when was the day you were reborn?

SPEAKER_04 19:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

And I thought to myself, oh my gosh, I don't know when that is for me. Like I actually don't have that day. Yeah, it was like a gradual process. Right. Like I have accepted Jesus into my life multiple times in my life and then not walked with him and then, you know, encountered someone years later who then again led me to Jesus, even though I wasn't. Yeah, it's just interesting. And I'm glad that you say that because would you say that as humans, we try so hard to fit things into a box when they don't need to be?

SPEAKER_05 19:31

Of course, yeah, we try to do that.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Like, when was your moment? Yeah, I've I've had people ask me the same question, and I'm like, well, it could have been this moment or it could have been that. Like, I relate to what you're saying, Ang, because I feel like it was similar for me too, where it was like it wasn't necessarily that black and white, where it was just like all of a sudden I I knew that that's what happened. I was reborn, I was baptized in the spirit. Like it just kind of was a gradual thing. Exactly. Yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. I feel like we do kind of want to put it in a box where it's like, and then it flipped. Right. And it's like sometimes it can be like this. And then, you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Well, people ask me how long I've been a Christian. I'm like, well, it kind of started when I was 23, but then I really can leave, but then at 25 I started reading the Bible, but then I really started following him at 27. It's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

So you know, the dominant metaphor for the people of God is like pilgrimage journey, right? And that's that's important. I think, you know, to say what is a Christian or what how are how is one saved, Paul will say, like, do you confess and believe that Jesus is Lord and raised from the dead? That's the confession that saves us. Now, there's a lot more to the Christian faith and life than that confession. In fact, like that is the beginning of this beautiful journey. And I would like to say, one of the things we've done in the church is we've we've made, this was my experience, we've made Christianity about the Father, Son, Holy Bible in the in the kind of more conservative Bible-believing places. That was my experience. Like, there was no mention of the Holy Spirit, there was no invitation, there was no expectation of God moving today in our prayer life.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

How do you skip over that when it's like, well, you just brought up so many verses?

SPEAKER_05 21:00

That's exactly my point. So this journey was like, How did I miss it? Yeah. How did I miss the ministry of the Holy Spirit? And we can do, we'll do this later on. We can look at the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament. Yeah, and we'll just look at how the Holy Spirit operates in the Old Testament. Sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

I just love the Old Testament.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

Yeah, we'll walk through because the Holy Spirit's clearly operating from Genesis 1, verse 1 and 2. We and three, we see the Holy Spirit. Um, and then we see him, you know, filling people for the purposes of God's God's purpose. But then, you know, we we we have all these these Old Testament prophecies about a day, one day, all people, all flesh will be filled with the Spirit. Joel prophesies this. So in Acts two, you have this coming of the Spirit age where where we see ordinary people, not just priests, not just prophets, not just kings, now being filled with the Holy Spirit and now having like stepping into the roles that were once reserved for like the prophet Isaiah or the prophet Jeremiah. Now it's the hospitality volunteer Stephen is now fulfilling this role. So cool. As the prophet to the Sanhedrin court. Like that is what the Holy Spirit comes to do, to give you power.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Obsessed with him. Okay. The Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

I'm gonna geek out and be Bible nerd. So what questions do you have?

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Well, I also I would love, because I I feel like this is something I'm still kind of journeying through, is like seeing Holy Spirit as he, as person, versus like a lot of us, I think sometimes it's like it's an entity, it's a spirit, it's like a, you know. So how does one like it is he is he, person.

SPEAKER_05 22:31

Yes, you know, yeah, so that's very important. Holy Spirit is not a force, it's not it, it's not an impersonal force that you can wield, like Star Wars, which you haven't seen.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Magic, right, yeah, throw a ball, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:43

Holy Spirit is clearly talked about as a person, yeah, right? So we see that all over scripture, and so in John's gospel, when Jesus talks about going and sending another kind, the word for another, there's two different words in Greek that can be used. One is for another of a different kind, and the word he uses another of the same kind. So we know that the language he's using to explain that there's another coming, a comforter, a counselor, the Holy Spirit, Paraclete, he he is going to be the same kind as Jesus, right? And then we see in the New Testament, and this is fascinating because you have monotheists, you have the the disciples who are primarily Jewish, Hebraic Jews, worshiping Yahweh, right? The one God now referred to Yahweh, Jesus as Yahweh, right? So now it's Yahweh the Father, Yahweh Jesus, and then in Acts, the Holy Spirit is also Yahweh. So you have this, you have this Trinitarian view of God unfolding in the New Testament, and they're making sense of it, right, as they go. Because you know, you have Peter who will say to Ananias and Sapphira, you lied to the Holy Spirit. You can't lie to a chair, an it, right? A thing, a thing, but you can lie to a person.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:55

And so that's clearly the case. And so even as you grow, you're you're learning to navigate a relationship with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

How do you know the Holy Spirit as a person? How does one like become familiar as Holy Spirit as person?

SPEAKER_05 24:08

It's a great question. This is where it's going to be personal. So I can't like argue this from the scriptures. For sure. So I always want to quantify or qualify that. My pastor, Pastor Bill, preaches at the garden. There was a time in class he said in the season he was walking in, he was praying to the Father more than just Jesus and the Spirit. I was like, oh, interesting. That there are seasons in your life that maybe the Father is closer to you, or Jesus, the friend, is closer to you, or the Holy Spirit, right? Who's activator, comforter with you. And so it's hard to like break it down and pray to one because it's Trinity, so you're always there. But I think it's about invitation into a relationship where the Holy Spirit gives power for transformation to become like Jesus and to use your life to become witness, right? But I think it's just navigating a relationship with God who is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. And there are seasons in my life where I definitely learn to lean into the Father's love. Yeah. And be his boy. And then there are seasons where the spirit is very active and releasing gifts and ministering and and convicting me of sin, because we see the role of the spirit in scriptures, which we'll go over, has a different task, I suppose, than than that of the Father. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

So I think something that was so transformative in my relationship to the Holy Spirit was first the Holy Spirit is the one, he is Jesus and He is God. So when I talk to the Holy Spirit, there is no different thing.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yeah, no, absolutely not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

When I'm going throughout my day, like I look at the Holy Spirit as my friend who I'm communing with. Yeah. Like he, when I think about Jesus saying it's better for you to his disciples, if I go, because I'm going to send you a helper, which means that the Holy Spirit must be so close to us, closer to us than if Jesus Himself was standing in the room. Right. So I look at the Holy Spirit as like he's literally right here in here with me. And that's who I talk to all day long. So when I think about the Holy Spirit, I'm like, oh, that he's the one that's legitimately with me right now. And we are communing, conversating. He's the one that I asked for guidance, help, and specifically answers. I'm always like, Holy Spirit, what do you think about that? What do you think about this? That just came out. He's that's like the relationship I have to him. And then something that made my relationship to the Holy Spirit just like it crystallized was one day I was in the secret place and I was meditating on the scripture. The spirit is the Lord, and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And I kept saying, the spirit is the Lord, the Spirit is the Lord. And then I was like, Holy Spirit, you are the Lord. Like you are, you are the one who created everything. You are God. It just for me like crystallized this idea of the Trinity that He is the Lord. And there is that means He has to be a person that I talk to, that I treat the same way as Jesus and the Father. Yeah. You know, the same nearness and closeness.

SPEAKER_05 27:03

That's so good.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

That's really good, Angie. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_05 27:07

I think the uh so so there is there is this uh assumption we're carrying right now in the conversation that God can be experienced. So some some people don't believe that. Yeah. So we believe you can experience God, we believe you can have more of Him and intimacy with Him. And I don't know how you can read the New Testament and not understand that. When Paul in Ephesians prays, he says three three times, listen to this, he says in Ephesians 1, verse 23, he he he prays for the church. He says that you would be filled with the fullness of Christ. Like, okay, so praise for that. And then in Ephesians 3, verse 19, he says that we may be filled with the fullness of God. So that okay, so he's he's building on, and then in in one of my favorite passages to teach, you've here heard me talk about this a lot, is and then so chapter one, he says that, chapter three, he says that, and then in chapter five, he encourages the church. He says, Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery, instead be filled with the spirit. Yes, and this, like I think we can read over this, and then it talks about like five uh things after this that will are that are signs of a spirit-filled community, like singing songs, thanksgiving, submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. That's the fifth one. And then it talks about husbands and wives. But there's this thing we read over, and I just want to pull maybe I want to sit here for a moment because we're talking about baptism in the Holy Spirit. Yeah. And we're saying, okay, so Jesus comes to baptize us. Is it one, two, or three? I think Paul clearly makes the case for an ongoing encounter with God. But let me frame it. So, first, he compares being filled with the Holy Spirit with what was in the first century context called a symposium. Symposium were drinking parties for the Roman culture. So when he says don't get drunk off wine, which leads to debauchery, symposium was what Romans did when they got together. They put together these gatherings and they would drink and eat food, and they they there was no like moral understanding of like moderation in the first century. That's being invented in the New Testament.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

Like you would go to these parties, and because of your worldview, to drink was to be aligned with a certain deity. I think it was Bacchus, was the god, the god of wine. And like, so it this was like a pagan ritual. Like you just go, you get drunk, and you do all the other things associated with being drunk, you eat more food, and and it just led to this debauchery, but that's what it meant to be like hanging out with friends in the first century, right? So all of a sudden, Paul is like like discipling a church in these pagan contexts, like so Ephesus being like a very pagan context, it's not just Roman, it has Artemis culture, which was um a goddess that was worshipped in its headquarters was in Ephesus, and was um, and it had like this massive temple. A million people would flock to Ephesus one time a year for the festival. The normal population was like 250,000, and it was it was it was just this massive, like terrible stuff was going on. But Paul is confronting what would be a normal practice for people and saying, don't be under the influence of alcohol, instead be under the influence of the Holy Spirit. So I think this is really important. I think that what we have to recognize as we talk about the things of the Holy Spirit is there's a counter-indwelling. Yes, there's a counter-filling that takes place. Like that we as followers of Jesus are coming out of what is normal culture, ordinary things, like being obsessed with social media, yeah, being addicted to YouTube, uh, being needing people's approval or being obsessed with ourselves or obsessed with the news cycle or or just like we're literally filling ourselves with all these other things. Like if Paul was here, he might say, like, don't be obsessed with social media. Like it leads to this life that is broken in comparison and lacking in in fruit, or don't be obsessed with money, don't be driven for just defining yourself by wealth. Instead, I think the counter is to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and Paul says to be filled is in the Greek to it's translated to keep on being filled. It's a perfect present tense verb, meaning you are continually being filled by the presence of God. And that's for me, that's what makes the case for this ongoing experience.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Right, right. And that's also what we spoke to before is it a one-time event? You just said it, it's a continual filling.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

I feel like somebody who isn't familiar with like what it means to be filled with the spirit would probably have a question of like, why does it have to keep happening? Why is there, why is there always a fill?

SPEAKER_05 31:56

Yeah, great question. Well, one, because scripture commands it.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:59

Like, let's just start there. Like, if we read the scripture and go, okay, do not get drunk off wine, which leads to debauchery, and the the solution to that is to instead be filled or keep on being filled as a command for the church, right? This is F Ephesians. So it's a command to uh the general church. This isn't an isolated occasional letter as much as it is a universal letter for the churches in the area. He's making a command that when we as disciples are to recognize that there are other places that will influence our lives that will cause us to be under the spirit of something else. And the command is to stay in and under the influence of the Holy Spirit. So it can simply be every morning I wake up when I do my quiet time, I am saying, Holy Spirit, fill me with your presence. Come, Holy Spirit. I want to receive more of God. I want to receive more of his presence. I want more of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to influence my life, to live my life in relationship to Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 32:51

Right.

SPEAKER_05 32:53

And so, like how, you know, we're gonna read scripture, we're gonna pray, we're gonna fast, we're gonna worship, we're gonna go to church, we're gonna confess our sins, and we're gonna want to be under the influence of the Holy Spirit. There's this quote I have from Simon Ponsenby, he's a professor from Oxford. Love him, love you, Simon. He says, um, I know him, he says, when the Bible speaks of being filled with the Holy Spirit, it is saying that one is consumed, taken over, impregnated, saturated, complete and replete with God's presence and power. To be filled with the Holy Spirit leaves no room to be filled with anything else.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Lord.

SPEAKER_05 33:31

So I again the question is do you want more of God?

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Yes. And we always need a filling. So it's like the reason we have to be filled by the Spirit over and over again is because there's also other things. Well, because you said the counterfilling.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

So we are constantly counteracting.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

Like if you spent, let's just say you spent two hours watching or two hours scrolling mindlessly on Instagram or or TikTok or whatever. And then you're seeing, let's just see, you're seeing other peers who are like further along that maybe like, you know, they like all like pastors with a bigger church, more influence, bigger following, family seems to have everything figured out. They're taking trips to you to uh Europe or friends that have giant homes and all what does that do to your soul?

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Ouch.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

What is that doing to your soul?

SPEAKER_03 34:18

I mean, it's definitely making it kind of a raisin, probably. Like it's sucking whatever, yeah, it makes it shrivel, and then there's weird shame and self-condemnation and comparison, and it doesn't feel good.

SPEAKER_05 34:28

So filling yourself with other things, right? So it doesn't mean don't engage. Yeah, so it it's creating something inside of you. If like alcohol, let's use alcohol. If you're living without a sober mind, like what does that do to your senses when you're making decisions? It makes you dumber.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

It actually takes away your sense, it makes you dumber.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

It makes you dumber.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

It actually makes you stupider.

SPEAKER_05 34:50

Like it's true. You you fill yourself with gossip. You're just living like you're entertaining gossip. What does that do to your soul?

SPEAKER_03 34:57

I just keep seeing a raisin.

SPEAKER_05 34:59

Yeah, so that's great illustration. It's just shrinks it. Shrivel. And so when you try to fill yourselves with things that make you less than who you're created to be, versus the God who created you to be. Yes. And you fill him, it like illness. Which is interesting. One of one of my one of the theologians that I love is your Jorgen Moltmann, and he says the spirit of God unfurls our energies. Meaning I don't know what that word means. It means to expand. It expands our life. So there's the raisin metaphor. It expands our life.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Yeah, from raisin to grapes. That's what this type of means.

SPEAKER_05 35:32

And we need we need new wine for that. So there you go. You're all of it. It's all working. You should be in kids' ministry working.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Wow, Holy Spirit. And I have a question though. So imagine you've just been scrolling for two hours, your soul is looking raisin-y. How do you suggest people be filled? Your soul is looking raisin-razy-how do you suggest people be filled? Do you just simply ask, Lord, you take a moment to ask? Do you read it? How do you read a script? Like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

An ongoing I mean, that's great. I there's not a formula. Yeah. I will talk about how do you grow in the power of the Holy Spirit. We'll do that. We'll do a whole teaching on growing in power. And but there is a humility of opening yourself up to God. So for me, it starts with confession.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Repentance.

SPEAKER_05 36:18

Yeah, repentance and confession. Lord, like, because the moment I open myself up to God, I don't know about you, I'm immediately reminded of the sin in my life.

unknown 36:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:26

So like when I come to church, right, and we I sit and worship.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Yeah, that's real.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

I I if I what I do is in my quiet time on Sundays, I'm I'm starting with confession from the week. I'm like, all right, Lord, I and it we're not confessing giant things anymore, but I was short with my son. You know, that, you know, I need to confess it. I I didn't treat Alex the way I needed to. Maybe I talk too much in this meeting. Like he might bubble up the things that are off in my life. Um, oh, this desire is distorted. I submit that desire to you, Lord. I like people, like ah, that person that hurt me like five years ago, I just forgive them and I just confess. I bless them, Jesus. Lord, if I talk bad about them, forgive me. So I'm I'm confessing. And then um, I just welcome his presence. I say, Lord, I just want to, I want, I want to receive more of your Holy Spirit. So I'll say, Lord, fill me with your Holy Spirit. I'll wait on the Lord.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Do you think that's a hard place to get to without that first step? 100%.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

Yeah, because it's humble.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

Yeah. Wow. And it's it's it's creating a space where your heart can actually stay soft. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Well, it's that authentic place you were saying, it's about showing up as your authentic self. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 37:30

Which so what is the authentic self? I've messed up this week.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

It's raw.

SPEAKER_05 37:35

And like, so what so most people go, I messed up, and they feel shame.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Right.

SPEAKER_05 37:39

But for me, I don't feel shame very often anymore because I I believe the word. There is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus. And when shame comes in, I know the enemy's coming at me. And I I find out where there's real guilt from the Lord that the enemy's trying to keep as a blood guilt, shame thing. And that I just release it to the Lord and I receive my identity, which we should do a whole thing on how the Spirit of God gives us identity, right? That's a big one. Like the Spirit of God pours the love of God into your heart by which we cry out, Abba Father. So there's a restoration of identity that comes from the Holy Spirit. So all of this is empowered by God for him, and then he expands it. So it starts with confession, then it goes to openness to the Holy Spirit. And absolutely, I read the Word of God every day because I want to see scripture in the Word.

SPEAKER_04 38:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

Right. And it's not, it's not magic. It's not always like a feeling. I rarely feel warm fuzzies anymore. It's not like I feel that. Like I'm not somebody that feels that. But I do it out of obedience. And then occasionally there will be senses. There will be like a nearness. I sense his nearness. There's a quickening. Like I talked about it on Sunday. Like I went to study Acts 6, 8 through 15, and I couldn't get past Acts 6.8. And the Spirit of God was just quickened me, like brought my heart to this place of like, oh my gosh, these words were Acts 6.8 is like, um, then Stephen, a man full of grace and power, performed wonders and signs for all the people. And I was like, oh my gosh, Stephen is full of grace and power. And I had preached already the week before that it I learned that he was full of the spirit, full of wisdom, and full of faith. I'm like, those are lots of qualities for a hospitality volunteer in the church.

SPEAKER_04 39:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:24

And it wrecked me. And that's when I like I followed the spirit that direction.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Wow. You better preach. I'm preaching now. No, you better, you better. You better.

SPEAKER_05 39:32

How do you experience it? Like, how do you open yourself up to more of God?

SPEAKER_03 39:37

That.

SPEAKER_05 39:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Yeah. I mean, I think repentance is definitely the way that I just feel closer to God when I'm like, ah, God, this is actually what this is how I feel, and this is what I've been doing. It's just that it's the vulnerability, it's the rawness. And again, I think that's how my heart stays tender towards the Lord. Because I think if without repentance, without, you know, that like awkward. I mean, it's awkward in the beginning. I mean, it gives me hope knowing that even you now, Darren, you're like, I don't feel shame. I think shame is still of course, you know, kind of creeps up for me in confession with the Lord. Yeah. And I'm looking forward to the day that that's not a thing.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

But I do feel shame at times, but it's it's very short-lived.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't like linger for long. That's good. I used to live in it. I used to live in it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:19

So good. So yeah. Wait, you said something that sparked in, I think it's a spirit. I want to say this. It's interesting that there's this line where it says, do not grieve the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Right? There's this passage, I'm trying to find it. Where is it? And it talks about not grieving the Holy Spirit. Yeah, it says in verse 4, uh chapter 4, verse 30. No, I'm going to read this, verse 29, because it talks about repentance. Listen to this. It says, Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Now look, verse 30 of Ephesians 4. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling, and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other just as Christ has forgiven you. There's something interesting about the lists associated to grieving the Holy Spirit that come before and after. What it means to grieve the Holy Spirit. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit. Look at don't talk bad about people. Ephesians 4, verse 29 through 32. Don't talk bad about people, build each other up. Don't grieve the Holy Spirit, and then you've been sealed. And then it immediately says, get rid of bitterness. Yes. Get rid of uh of rage and inappropriate anger, of brawling and slander. So, so something about bitterness, rage, unforgiveness, slander has to do with grieving the Holy Spirit. Of course. Which is what you're getting at. You're like, well, you want more of the Holy Spirit. How can you have more of the Holy Spirit if you're already grieving him?

SPEAKER_00 41:52

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

By not being someone who forgives. By not being by being someone who's if you're gossiping and talking bad and you're like, oh, I just want more of God, like he's some type of it force that can fill a contaminated container. No. You've been made whole in Christ. You've been forgiven. You are set free. Absolutely. But you've been talking bad about your brothers and sisters. You need to confess that and then invite the presence of God into it.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

It's good. Oh, it's really good. Good. So good. I couldn't find Ephesians quick enough. I need to be listening to what you were saying.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

You have tabs. You have tabs. Ephesians 4. So it goes Galatians, Ephesians.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

I figured it was in the back.

SPEAKER_05 42:26

Yeah, Romans, Galatians. You didn't sing that song growing up. I grew up singing the song. Oh my gosh, what's the song? I'll memorize it right now. I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

I got Ephesians. Ephesians what? Four. There we go.

SPEAKER_05 42:37

Verse 29 through 32.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

I have it highlighted. I'm so proud. A lot of the verses you've already mentioned Miss Alley Girl in 2023. She knew. She was prophetic. She knew.

SPEAKER_05 42:50

What's the actually I watched Simon Ponzevi preach this at St. Aldate's. He's he's a theologian in the UK. And he said he he brought a book, a Bible that's falling apart. It's like massive that his dad had.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

Oh my god. I could never go with that.

SPEAKER_05 43:05

And he said this line, which I'm like, I don't know if I've heard this before, but like a man or a woman whose Bible is falling apart means their life is not.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

That is so.

SPEAKER_05 43:15

I was like, oh, I saved that in the algorithm. That's the one.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

I'm so good. I go, no cussing. Only encouraged. Do not let any talk come out of your mouth. I go, no cussing, Allie. I had a sailor's mouth. Did you really? Sailor's mouth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:32

Really?

SPEAKER_03 43:32

Yeah, we're from upstate New York, so I don't know. New Yorkers, we just we just cultural problem. We're so filled with love, but the words sometimes are.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Hey, true true story. Um, the Welsh Revival in 1904, 5'6, um, led by Evan Evans Roberts, like 12 college students praying outside of church, come Holy Spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit, brought about the Welsh Revival, which some say like was what kind of preempted the Pentecostal revival. But in Wales, there's historical documentations like Bars were shut down, libraries were started, the social impact of the revival was so significant. But one big thing was that they had a huge mining industry in Well Wales at the time, and they called them pit ponies, these little ponies that would go into the mines. Where there was a there was a a stall in production because the owners weren't cussing to direct them. So they were so used to being oh my gosh, the ponies.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

They're like, what are the F bomb? What's going on here? They didn't know how to move.

SPEAKER_05 44:32

Because there was a social reform from the got from the revival that spread.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

That is so funny. Sweet Jesus, that is so crazy.

SPEAKER_05 44:39

Like at one point they didn't have jails, nobody was getting arrested. Like there was a full revival. That sounds like heaven. I mean, that was that was that was it. That but we we read like when the Holy Spirit comes, uh so the Holy Spirit can come and fill you, of course. Holy Spirit can come and bring renewal to a local church, but revival is like the renewal of a local church going viral and spreading beyond the church, spreading onto the you know streets, lots of people coming to faith. But a true revival has a social implication, uh a reform to like morality, yeah, to the city around you in the city. Always, it's always been the case.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Okay, that's good to know.

SPEAKER_05 45:13

So so just like what God did, don't cuss, Allie. No cussing.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

No cussing, Allie. Just build up. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 45:21

But could you imagine? Like, just let's just pause there. Imagine if the Christian world were filled with the Holy Spirit and they stopped gossiping.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

Yeah, there would be so much healing.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

How do we uh where do we do that at? How do we start?

SPEAKER_05 45:36

Everyone listening goes, I want more of the Holy Spirit, and I'll obey. Yeah, I'll obey. That's the other thing. You want more of God obey because people are like, I want to hear God's voice. I'm like, Are you reading scripture? Like, no, I'm like, Well, read scripture.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

It's the one place people shouldn't be gossiping, and it's yeah, it's the place that we love to gossip.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

We love to light each other up on fire, and not in a good way. No, we no, yeah, not we love to burn people, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Um, yeah, yeah, and we also just want to feel validated too. Yeah, like this person did me so wrong. Isn't that awful? And then they go, Oh my gosh, bless you.

SPEAKER_05 46:06

So, my experience with this is the people that have pained me in ministry. I've I have had a lot of people say terrible things and all this stuff, is to bless them. Yeah, Jesus says to pray. So I pray favor over their business, blessing over their kids. True, like this, like when it comes up, that person who did that thing. I it it was so much pain for so long, and then eventually got to the point where now the trigger I have with their name is to pray blessing.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

That is actually insane and beautiful. That's I learned that.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

That's another practice to keep your heart soft and tender because you have to be the only way.

SPEAKER_05 46:41

Bitterness grieves the spirit. Yes, so this is where, okay, if I was gonna start, then it'd be like, okay, Lord, examine my heart. What do I need to confess? And I would just write it down. And then I would just I wouldn't go far. I would just be like, Lord, I confess this sin, thank you for your forgiveness. I confess this sin and thank you for your, I'd bring it all to the Lord. Okay, great. I did you examine me, great. Now, would you fill me with more of your Holy Spirit? I'll wait on you. That's the biggest thing. We don't know how to wait. Yes. In our church, when we teach people how to pray for people, like our ministry team, it's not that they're great at praying, they will put a hand on a shoulder and they will wait. And then the prayer we train people to pray for intercession and ministry is simply come, Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 47:21

And then the next thing we say is, Lord, I bless what you're doing. Yeah, I speak well of what you're already doing. They came forward to receive prayer. I have no idea what they need prayer for. Yeah, it's one of the seven things that you know they came forward. My hands on the shoulders, I'm looking at them, I can see them crying. They're crying, so you're moving in their life. Lord, I just bless what you're already doing. And then I'll say, more, Lord.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 47:40

That's those three prayers.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

So good.

SPEAKER_05 47:42

Come, Holy Spirit. I bless what you're doing. More, Lord, will change your life.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Yeah, it's so good. So good. So good.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

Oh, it's true. I will say so many times in uh my quiet time with the Lord, that is something that I I'll feel from the spirit is when I'm being really impatient and I'm not immediately like getting whatever it is that I want, you know, in that moment. Um, it's wild how much the atmosphere can really change if you just wait. Yeah, linger.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Yeah, lingering is what legitimate is.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Just wait for him to do what he wants. Yeah, change. Because I think a lot of times too, sometimes I'll go into that space being like, okay, God, you're gonna do this, right? And then he's like, Well, actually, I'm gonna have you wait a few seconds and then I'm gonna do this.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

And so many times it goes in a completely different direction of what I even thought it was gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 48:28

So waiting.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

It's I think it's also like about our capacity for Jesus. It's I feel like we want more of him, but we do have this like human capacity where he wants to give more. But I feel like waiting longer, lingering, reading an extra chapter when you were only gonna read two, but you choose to read three grows your capacity for more of him. It's like a stretching, right? Like expanding the wine to receive more wine.

SPEAKER_05 48:55

And yeah, for me, it's been obedience. So it's like I want to hear God's voice. So, well, if I heard him speak through scripture and and I felt like a prompting that I should do this thing, did I obey? Yeah, and oftentimes we're like, well, I'm waiting on the Lord for something new. We're like, God already spoke and you just haven't obeyed. That's another thing. Like, if you inv if you welcome the presence of God, he will begin to minister to you. Yeah, and I always tell people, like, in your mind, in your heart, let God know he's welcome. And then when God, when you begin to experience God, when you begin to experience his presence, and this is in a gathering on on Sundays or in a in a prayer environment, like follow his lead. If he's leading you to sit down, sit down. If he's, you know, says put your hands up, put your hands up, like follow his lead into that experience, right? Or so give up a relationship that's toxic, give up the relationship that's that's toxic, you know.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:45

I wrote this, I want to make sure I say it on this one. Available through the baptism of the Holy Spirit is new life, new identity, new relationships, transformation, and God-given power and gifting for ministry to be released through us in everyday, ordinary life. God bless you. When the Spirit enters our life, God makes us new and gives us access to heavenly resources for his purpose, for his mission. Wow. And I just think for every Christian, every person that's following Jesus, there's more to the Christian life than just spiritual disciplines, than just going to church and praying prayers. God makes himself available to those who are available for him. What John Stott, the famous pastor and author and preacher, said is what we need is not more learning, not more eloquence, not more persuasion, not more organization, but more power from the Holy Spirit. I think that's what we need today.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

Yes. I can't wait to talk about the power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you, Dare.

SPEAKER_05 50:44

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Thank you, Als.

SPEAKER_05 50:45

Allie, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

Oh, I know. It's so funny. We'll sit here for a whole hour and I feel like it's been 20 minutes. I know. That's how I feel. Flying by, right? Yeah. I mean, I can go three hours. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_05 50:56

I can just go, I can talk a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

It's amazing. It's a gift. You know impartation?

SPEAKER_05 51:02

I texted him the other day.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

Okay. That running joke. It'll stop after this. It will start. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 51:08

No more.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Thanks, guys. Guys, we love you so much. Jesus loves you the most. We'll see you next week.