Doctors No More Podcast: Episode 11: If A Soul Chooses Its Parents, Then What Is Birth

A single question drives this conversation: what is life, really? Not the chemistry we can measure, but the spark that seems to arrive and animate the body. We start at conception, including reports of a flash of light at fertilisation, and ask the uncomfortable follow-up: if the molecules are still “just molecules,” what changes when a new being begins?

We move through fertility and rhythm, looking at menstrual cycles as a relationship with nature and the lunar calendar. From there, we explore an unconventional view of physiology, including the idea that the heart may function more like a vortex and electrical organizer than a simple pump. That matters because of a provocative claim from early development: blood flow may begin before a foetal heart is “pumping,” raising the spiritual question of when the soul arrives and what cultures have meant when they say the soul lives in the blood.

Then we go where most conversations avoid: abortion, consent, trauma, and responsibility, without pretending there are easy answers. We also talk twins, shared identity, and why “purpose” might be the missing ingredient behind so much modern dis-ease. Finally, we bring it back to birth itself: privacy, safety, skin to skin contact, delayed cord clamping, microbiome seeding, and why a fear driven hospital environment can turn a natural initiation into a stressful event.

If you care about holistic health, natural birth, fertility, prenatal stress, postpartum outcomes, and the spiritual side of conception, this one will challenge you in the best way. Subscribe, share this with a parent or parent to be, and leave a review with your take: when do you believe life truly begins?

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SPEAKER_01 1:23

Well, welcome back to the Doctors No More podcast. You should by all three of our listeners, and apparently it's doubled to six, should know by now that it's a play on words.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

It's actually it's six point five. Is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Yeah is a point five. I don't know, but he's only half there. Is he? Half a man. Most women are going, that's my husband. Half a man. Anyway, welcome back to the Doctors No More podcast. That's a course NO, where myself, Dr. Jeremy, uh, you know, Maha nominated doctor has the the great pleasure and privilege to speak to his not only his great friend, but um his esteemed college and I uh and colleague, and I know he hates the esteemed colleague, but he is, and he is wonderful, and he is the Welsh wise wizard. Doc Thomas, welcome back.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Uh thanks, Jeremy. Um, I I I've been actually looking through some of these last episodes we've done, and um, you know, before before I publish them and put them on, um, I I listened to them and actually I I've learned quite a lot from it.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Have you? Yeah. That's amazing, right? Because we get to the end and we normally say, What did we just talk about? I know.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

And I I I just thought, oh my goodness, there, you know, there's some there's some really good nuggets of information. Um, and I mean, uh be it being a dad, I appreciate dad jokes as well, and that level of humor. Oh, dad, dad jokes are therapy. Yeah, because I I I'm convinced, and I I know we're gonna talk about um important subjects today, like uh always, because we're professionals, yeah, like uh birth, which will be a part of a trilogy of birth, life, and death. Yep. Um but I I was convinced when I when my first child was was born that not long after, while I was asleep, somebody came down at night, opened my head, took my old brain out, put a dad's brain in there. Yeah. And then from that day, my dancing was not as good. Yeah. I kept telling dad jokes, yeah. And occasionally I'd I'd like to, you know, go off somewhere, pretend I'm doing something, but just spend time on my on my own, you know. Yeah. Pretend that I was busy.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Look, I I I get it, being a father myself, it it changes you in many ways. And in in if you don't yield to the change, it will drag you there one way or the other.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

But anyway, or you don't, do you?

SPEAKER_01 4:05

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

You you you leave and not not father.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

And in fact, I mean, you know, skillfully tying this in to the subject at hand in the next two or three podcasts, excuse me, you know, we're we're going to tie in birth, life, and death, and and um, you know, and and the the the the certainly the birth and the death are very important episodes that I want to discuss because it does then by default give the middle bit life a different potential perspective and meaning, especially if it ain't going all you know hunky-dory and you've got dis-ease or problems or issues. So today I want to kick off with you and actually, you know, what what is you know not just birth, but what is becoming pregnant? What is the moment I've certainly got lots to discuss upon this. What is um happening? Um because you see, and I um I'm stuttering because there's so many angles I could come in to start with, but you know, medicine is reductionist, meds modern medicine is chemical, you know, you're you're you're a but you're a bag of chemicals and something's gone wrong, but they still can't define life. I mean, when someone dies, and so I so besides the wrong end, but when someone dies at the moment of death, they're still the same bag of chemicals, right? That doesn't change, but something leaves. And that's why they used to say, you know, oh, yeah, my mother passed last night, because they used to recognize rather than died, they used to recognise something had left. And therefore, if you entertain that, and we're going to speak much more on that in episode you know, three of this bit, which would be what this is episode 11, so in episode 12, episode 13 will be about you know death. But if you accept unlucky for some, unlucky for some, exactly. Whereas today is legs 11, if you ever play bingo, right? You know, and hopefully it's got legs and not just the normal drivel that we spew out and six people listen to. Actually, it's a lot six, that's just an inner joke. But anyway, you know, what is conception? What is, you know, it's not a you know, what what enters the chemical bag, albeit a very small cell, that started to divide? What enters that animates it from a chemical, biological, you know, thing into a uh living, you know, growing baby that has a soul? And I want to start there because there's some very interesting things about conception in and of itself, apart from the fact that it's a bloody miracle, you know, when you when you look at it, you know, this one um uh egg hoping to be penetrated, you know, by this singular sperm that apparently it also gives a lot of weight that men are useless, certainly in the eyes of many women. They're not, of course, they've just been attacked as uh more so. But but you know, the fact that there is millions and millions and millions of sperm trying to get one job done and only one gets it done, right? If you're lucky. But anyway, the point being serious. You know, some very interesting things, um, and we can even go go further back than that with the moon cycles, um, uh and how a healthy woman doesn't have menstruation, she has moonstruation or moon moonstral cycles. That's where the word comes from. Um, and they're 28, 29 day cycles, the same as the moon. And in the old days, before Pope Gregory, in all his um let's say not positive wisdom, deliberate, deliberately changed from 13 moons in a year to 12 months, which is the Gregorian calendar, Pope Gregory, right? And screwed everything up, and that's why there's different day lengths to a month. They're not all 30, or what they should be is 28.6 or 29 average up. But anyway, the moon's the moon cycle is about 28 to 29 days, and a woman's cycle is about 28 to 29 days. So already what I'm introducing is there's a natural rhythm, there's a there's a nature, there's a cycle, there's a connection to things outside of just the chemical bag. And so when women are functioning correctly, and most aren't, certainly the ones that come to me aren't, they're completely round the other way, they're supposed to be ovulating on or around the full moon. Now, I the easy way to remember this and how I teach it, and most women I hope will laugh in a sort of knowingly way, is men need all the light they can get to see what they're doing. And so the full moon is obviously bright and lots of light, and that's when you ovulate, and that's when you're most likely to be able to become pregnant. And if you if you do become pregnant, it then you know goes around and starts to set into the womb on its long journey down from the flopian tube, and you become quote unquote pregnant. But if you don't, you know, the it goes all the way around to the new moon where you're supposed to have a moonstrual. You're meant to moonstrate or menstruate, but moon straight. And it's the ending of a cycle, it's a cleansing ready for the next cycle. So there's that's a very important thing. Now, most of the women that come to me are completely the other way around. They're they're ovulating on the new moon and menstruating on the full moon. And so, even though they may or may not have definable issues, you know, they usually do with the normally heavy, painful periods and all, you know, fi um uh uh cis, uh variant cis and fibroids and all and painful breasts and all these sort of moods and all these sort of things. One thing's for sure, they're completely out of sync with nature's timing. And when I work with them, it's over about three to six months. Bit by bit that changes until they're completely flipped back in. And for me, it's a big red flag. If there's a young girl or a woman out there and her cycle is not like that, excuse me, then it's already she's in dis-e. So I just wanted to put that as a foundation. But back to getting pregnant, let's imagine um a sperm manages to get on that great swim, and and you know, it's miles in relation to its size and distance that it has to swim, and the fittest of the lot gets up there and it penetrates uh the egg. They've recorded, and this is very going to be very integral through these next three podcasts, they've recorded this very bright spark of light. That the and I'll try and find some video on it for you, Gareth, if you haven't seen it, but at the very moment, mass of light is a flash of light is is um uh recorded and seen and occurs. Okay. Now, at that point, one could argue that life has become begun and you know the cell starts to uh uh uh divide quite rapidly and and what have you. But the interesting thing to me, but some some would argue that you're not pregnant at that point because the the fertilized egg isn't embedded into the womb yet. It's got to travel down, and most say most, in modern times, most of those won't embed themselves in the womb and then begin a true pregnancy. Most of those will either be immediately that the body recognizes it's not right because of modern toxicity and other things, and they'll just have a heavy period, they wouldn't even know. Some it will embed, but it it's not right, and again they'll have a heavier period, and they they never knew. But for those that do, it does embed and a pregnancy begins. So some argue that still life has not begun, right? And the reason they say that is, and I can't find this video for the life of me. You know, I I lost it about 15 years ago. But and this this is very, very interesting to me because it now ties in with uh uh Dr. Tom Cohen's book, um Cosmic Heart, which really is a pretty good summary of Rudolf Steiner's work on the heart, uh Frank Chesterton's work on the heart, that it's a it's a pleomorphic shape, if I've got the right word, not pleomorphic, it's a um can't think of the word right now, but there's sacred shapes, can't think of the right word, right? But it's in there, okay. Um, and several other authors, his names I can't remember right now, but basically they postulate that the heart is not a pump. If it's the first time you've heard this, you're like, what? This stay tuned, right? So um there's a pathologist, and again I'll try and find that video, that that showed that the heart is actually a very beautifully folded singular muscle. And he and he unfolds it in this in this video and then folds it back. It's one muscle that's folded in of itself and forms this amazing thing. And Frank Chesterton, fascinating lecture, he shows that this geometric shape that it's formed, which he called a chestahedron, is is specifically at a very specific angle, and that angle allows this movement that I'm going to try and explain that is not pumped. If you talk to engineers and plumbers, they'll tell you it's impossible for it to be a pump and pump things from the feet up when you're standing. And when you look at it, the heart works more as a spinning chamber. And as the blood drops into the upper chamber, it's actually just like all water in nature, it's forming a vortex and it's becoming charged. And actually, the way blood moves through and out of the heart is in a differential of the charges. So the higher charge will move towards a lower charge. So it's literally being sucked out of the heart and around the body. And when you look at the internal um workings of a blood vessel and the blood cells, particularly live blood microscopy, you see that there is meant to be a positive charge on the outside of the blood cell and a positive charge on the out uh inside of the blood vessel, and so they repel each other. So they're meant to flow unimpeded. And so it's all to do, it's more electrical than physical or chemical. Now, you know, what's that got to do with the baby and the embryo? A lot, which is why I introduced it. There's more to it than that, but that gives you a good foundation. So there's this video that I watched many years ago that I can't find, and it ties into what I've just shared, because what they what they were able to video in in uh God knows how, but what they were able to video was the blood starts flowing in the very, very young fetus before the heart starts pumping. You know, so you know, up to about six, even ten seconds. And for me, and this is all just my own postulate and theory, that's when the soul enters. And why it sits comfortably with me at that point, particularly at this time with Epstein files and other things coming out and horrific stories being told, is throughout history the blood has been revered, and the blood has been spoken about through many cultures and many philosophers that that the soul resides in the blood, it flows through the blood. That's where the essence of the of the of the being resides. And actually, if you go back to death, you know, what happens, what's the what's the absolute physical definition of died? The circulation has stopped. You know, it the movement has stopped. So it all ties in. So I wanted to start there with you, Gareth, because for me, that is the moment a soul enters. Um, yes, it's potential when that spark of light, but I believe it's when that movement of fluid, the sacred blood, I think that's when the soul enters. And we can then discuss if it's true, which I believe it to be, and it's true that a soul passes out the body, and that is the definition of actual death. The the chemicals, the physical no longer is animated, right? The the second part of this podcast will be it gives meaning to your life and your problems and your challenges. So, what is your understanding of the conception before we get to the pregnancy, the birth, the importance of the birth, and you know, because there's a lot to discuss there. What's what's your thoughts on it?

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Um we we live in a realm that has both um uh masculine and feminine energies in um in a potential uh state to create. So the the cycle of birth, life, death, and rebirth is is not a it's an ancient understanding and it it's constantly going on. So the the polarity between uh masculine and feminine is important for creation, so there's a natural attraction. Now if you take that on a mundane level, you know, you you see it in um like a charged particle uh being attracted to a negative particle on a in chemistry or physics. When you when you start to look at how that relates to conception, this is my understanding of it, and this is from my own research, um, which is not scientific, spiritual research. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Um philosophical theory of great interest that is stubbornly stubbornly stuck around for centuries.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

The soul uh that is been colored by multiple lifetimes, when it's not on the physical plane, it resides where the soul resides in a in a sphere of light somewhere. Right. Now that might be like if you think about our ancestors, some of them, you know, very much had the understanding they came from the stars. Oh, I like that. You know, like the you you've got um aboriginal people, doggone tribe, some of Native American were very, you know, uh convinced and believed that they came from um uh the dog star, yes, Sirius B, that constellation. So they they their soul resided in a place of light. And when they decided you know that it was time to manifest back on this plane, that impetus um is an energy that influences the parents. Now the parents are likely to have a contractual um uh uh connection to that soul on some level, be it through multiple lifetimes of karma or through um uh through you know, and karma can be both positive and and and negative. Of course. Although, although that's not often how people see it, is it?

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Karma No, it's like it's like they've dropped the word pathogenic virus because everyone is not the viruses exist. There's the assumption that viruses are negative, right? But it's the same with karma in my experience. Most people think, oh karma's coming around. But yeah, I hope karma's coming around for you and me, because it's gonna be great. We've clear we've cleared most of our shit up. I hope so. There's always more, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Um, and hence most. So I I'm always of the thought that you choose your parents. Yeah. So let's, for example, imagine that this unborn child is there in the light, it's chosen its parents to fulfill its contractual karmic responsibilities on the plane. Those two people then attract in some way, then they naturally create the physical reality, the physical vehicle for that soul to enter. And you're talking about a point where that soul enters, it's likely when it starts to you see that first division of the of the you know, the joining of the cell in the first division to create new cells. It's likely to be starting then on a very mundane level. But as you say, when you start to increase and you've got you know what appears to me more organs developing, whether that's a system like a nervous system, uh circulatory system.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

um so the the soulful aspect of the person and maybe the imprint of the personality as well starts to manifest within um the womb and it's interesting because you know that's that's historically why the the sacred feminine was was sacred yeah because it was the the the the place where life grew so woman was incredibly sacred um with our ancestors and that place where the the child grew was you know a sacred womb um so can i can i jump and add some context to that yeah absolutely i i never like to introduce on a flow because you're just so interesting but I just want to give some context so don't lose your place hopefully right to what you said you said really quite magnificent things but you talk about the Aborigines and they come from the the dog star and the stars well you know and I don't wish to uh ever offend anybody if they're Christian and listening and it may upset them but so I'm just postulating it as one of the theories that I happened it happens to sit very well with me which is astrotheology it's it it makes a lot of sense for me right so when you when you um and I have a very good friend that has also been a client and I've helped many times he died twice and crossed over and I've met others and of course probably the most famous out there discussing this is um Morjani Anita Morjani I think her name is but they always tell the same story right they leave their body and always the same story everyone's heard it they leave their body and a tunnel of light opens up and sometimes people come to guide them and they go through this light and then the other side is just undescribably beautiful you know they can't they can't find the words everything that is positive and and and amplified now um in in as I understand astrotheology you know they talk about that um you know in Christianity it's like the only way into heaven is through Jesus Christ. Okay? So in astrotheology uh and of course this is going more back to Babylonian and sun worship I I accept that and so I hope I'm not you know treading on too many Christian toes it's it's just you know very compelling. But in astrotheology the sun is Christ it's it's S-U-N, the son of God. And the you know it's the soul law system could be spelt S-O-U-L-T the soul law system which is often referred to as the heavens right and you know it is gone through as far as I know through many cultures that when someone died they used to say oh there's another star up there tonight up there in the heavens looking down on us and and what are stars? They're light. So what you've said to me is very very intriguing in in the realms of astrotheology and there's one more thing and I'll hand back to you um in astrotheology they look at the body very differently as well and if you do a cross section of a woman from you know the uh sagittal I think it is I can't remember the terms right but the and you look at the womb excuse me in the cervix and the vaginal opening it actually looks like a um a goblet you know the the holy grail and so again in astrotheology the holy grail is actually the woman's womb cervix and vaginal opening as the only place in this realm that life is created and therefore that is why it is so sacred back to you yeah um I think that um you know uh the the idea that we come from the stars is um uh it makes sense I mean uh you've also I mean you're talking about the sun um I mean in Egyptian times the sun god was Ra you know right the light of the world Amen Ra and what do you say at the end of a prayer Amen I know yeah it's interesting isn't it so these these things I think what we get caught up is that we we try and separate um different uh belief systems uh rather than seeing that at some point they all connect somewhere yeah and we are we are a race that's been on this planet for probably much longer than history tells oh well yeah yeah that's another subject for another day yeah is it shorter or longer I think it's shorter you can't you cannot you cannot remain the same throughout all that time people things have to change and have to evolve so that if if you know if you look at uh humanity on this plane as just a random thing there's no purpose to it. Right. And you know what this is this is also really important and it ties into everything we're doing and then I'll hand you back to the the the the sacred woman which is where you're at but when you particularly with astro theology when you when you start to look at it and you start to look at a few other things that are contr would be considered controversial because you know it's controversial to think and look at things and maybe form different opinions currently you start to recognize that you're not a speck of dust in an infinite universe with no meaning right and and it starts the more you start to cobble these things together and they link to to things you can measure or understand and resonate with you the more it gives your life meaning you know and that's what I think I want to lead to but back to the back to woman being sacred because you know what the woman is sacred and it's not to say men aren't but the woman is sacred. She's the bearer of of life um and when you look at and this does tie into disses and patterns when you look at what has been done to women um and where they've been steered you know and think um where I'm going is think morals only fans this sort of thing right we're in we're almost in Sodom and Gomorrah times right now where women are selling their body uh quite happily it seems uh on the internet um and so for it we've we've slipped as far from a pendulum point of view as far away from sacred as you can get and it must and it is swinging back with increasing speed.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

So back to the sacred woman because a lot of them you know why I say that Gareth is the reality is there's not a lot of sacred worship going on out there or or or knowledge of yeah I mean I I I I um I think it's interesting you were talking about um you know the cycles um the lunar cycles and if you look at uh astrology the uh the or any type of spiritual um discipline you tend to find that the moon relates to the feminine yeah you know um and the deep feminine and the sun relates to the masculine so you've got a balance between the yin and yang playing out and i in terms of the sun we're talking about the sun the point of light for this this solar system in in astrology I'm not astrologer but I know I've got lots of great astrology friends and the the sun relates to the personality so who you are on this plane so it's interesting now while you were talking about the the journey from you know death to the afterlife through a tunnel I wonder whether we we have a reverse effect when we come into this plane do we come through that that same tunnel or through a different tunnel but because we don't have the the capability we don't remember it you know what that's a I've never considered that but if you you know if you complete the thought that that the sun is the portal i the sun is christ in astrotheology is the portal into the heaven so through christ you get into heaven right makes a lot of sense to me then it makes complete sense you know unless it's the moon of course but it makes complete sense that there is an equal or similar tunnel from that realm into the woman into the holy grail yeah and also I mean if you look at birth itself that's a really really big initiation for the woman and the child you know well and rarely rarely carried out correctly yeah and I mean I I I I mean I my experience of that is that during uh you know your your period of of pregnancy that what's happening is that the child is taking on the patterns of the mother to a certain degree because it's being formed within the mother whatever the mother takes in in terms of thought diet has an impact on the influence of that child's physical body it's it's emotional do you know what my patterning was from my mother go on Franks and Archer I just I came out at four years old I was listening to Franks and Archer and you've you have done it your way haven't you I have i i i really I really have and there'll be some people listening go yeah I I I have but no it's really really important because those what's really important sound what what sounds they take in the vibrations they take in what the the and also the the father's growth within that so father you know the mother is you know most women I I've met who've got who are carrying children they they love the the process of of carrying a child even though there's difficulties with it and then when you see them get to that stage where they're just about to give birth they're probably happy to have their body back to some degree.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Well I would only argue I agree with you but I'd only argue that because hormonally most modern women are so imbalanced let's be kind and a lot of that to do with birth control and vegan and vegetarian diets that they actually don't feel good carrying a baby in my experience and and um they don't have the glow because their progesterone which is the happy hormone is so imbalanced but we'll talk about that another day. But I did want to say this to you when you say it's impattering the baby what is it impattering? A baby is more water than ever in its lifetime and we we through our life we get less hydrated or less water and more dense but you know it is is you know in biophysics and hacking and Jack Cruz work and many others the Russians do some great work you know the the sound and the light is structuring the water and and it said the water which is not water it's a it's more a plasma type thing is is the biological hard drive it's imprinting it's shaping um and so that what you talk about is far more important than me coming out loving Sinatra right it it it is actually shaping and setting up base patterns of how you're going to be and respond.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

And so if you look at modern day environments uh um compared to maybe a hundred years ago the amount of information noise good or bad mostly bad coming into a pregnant woman let alone when she gets to birth the child is is never before been seen all right um I I sometimes uh you know when I see uh pregnant women they're carrying a child sometimes you see one energy it's like one being and then sometimes there's uh um and I think that's more so very early on it's almost like this one combined energy and as the child grows you start to see the separation energetically between the two because it eventually when they physically separate the energies physically separate although that bond between the mother is so strong you know within the first years of life I'd say it yeah most most uh energetic people think it's probably the first seven years of life are very mother oriented then the father side of things comes in seven to fourteen and then you're from fourteen to twenty one you're that that that not child moving into more adulthood is then looking for something outside of the family that can initiate them into society. Yeah that's what fathers call the thank God period. Yeah but you know for boys you you would want uh good male figures at the age of 14 to to to you know guide boys into manhood like our ancestors would for women the same thing you'd want women to guide them away from family into womanhood and that you talk about sacredness all those parts of life were considered sacred yeah you know so the sacred aspect of the the womb was the starting point but that sacredness was continued through now I have experienced from my own understanding of this is that when that child is nearly born say two to three weeks before there's a much bigger influx of what I would call the personality and soul energy of that child. Now that's occurring throughout the pregnancy so the mother the father although the father's not carrying they will still be impacted by the the child's soul energy because it's not just totally related to the physical body it's a it's a subtle energy that's non-physical so that child's soul pattern will already be influencing what the mother is thinking to do for herself in the future what the father thinks thinks they should do for the future you know and like you mentioned earlier that's the point when the father goes oh wow okay my responsibilities are changing now it's not just me I I have to be responsible for my wife and my child and myself and similar the mother the mother is there saying this is not just me now this is me my child and my partner so there's the the this being that comes in changes everything and should change everything you know for the better. I'm not saying it's easy being a parent is probably if not the most difficult job in the world. In this time yeah and you know I I always um it amazes me that most people learn parenting either from the parenting they had or you know on the go as time goes on they learn things whereas maybe that tradition of of passing on traditional parenting techniques you know or things that worked were much more just part of life a long time ago or a longer time.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Well they they used to say and and I can totally understand it now you know having having been you know fathering children up to adulthood you know they they used to say it takes a village to raise a child. I I totally get that now um you know in in the days where it was a village and sort of 100, 200, 300 people, you know, many, many more people would be uh in involved. And of course we're talking about you know situations of perhaps what should be and and you know we don't want to shy away in fact we're deliberately not going to shy away from the other side where there's a tremendous amount of pregnancies that are um not wanted in you know dysfunctional relationships if there's even a relationship to be had there. You know if you look if you look at you know the inhabitants of prisons uh i I think it's I think I'm right in saying it's more than 80% come from single parent situations and that's always a single mother without a father. We've mentioned it before um because there must be man and woman and mum and dad and and a union to to raise a a healthy child. So my my question to you is and I I actually want to talk about a few things but um you know we can we can certainly talk about the ideals and really the ideals start with the the the mother and the father should be preparing several years before they have a baby. They should be preparing their own bodies you know mentally spiritually blah blah blah but I don't want to talk about that right now.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Right what what I want to talk about because I'm focusing in on the soul and the soul journey and the enter of the soul you know when it is or isn't you know or degrees of you know what about you know and controversial these subjects are are politically hot potatoes you know you've got two camps right you've got the camp of every life is divine you know God given solve which I subscribe to right and then you've got the my body my choice and the abortion right now I I would say there is some gray area in the realms of abortion you know someone who's been raped you know or or something along those lines I think there's gray area that that the conversation could be had right but what what are your thoughts and and by the way if you're listening I don't wish to upset people if if people and I have looked into what actually happens in an abortion the actual procedures and I'm not talking about you know the which I can only imagine is satanic at this point the up to eight months nine months abortions that are being quote unquote legalized I don't see it's lawful but legalized in some I think it's here as well in the UK but certainly in in the States it's up to nine months you can terminate pregnancy. But if you look at the process of an abortion it is horrific what what is done and I don't want to describe it here you can if you're interested you can go and look for yourself but it's truly horrific. Okay so I I want to ask you you know from a soul level from an energetic level to the woman even if she believes her her body her you know whatever reason she's done it although there appears to be a lot of these for the wrong reasons what what what do you what is your your take on on how far because in nature that wouldn't be able to happen and yes terrible backstreet practices with coat hangers and all kinds of concoctions came out of women not wanting to be pregnant because they knew they wouldn't be able to you know feed and take care of the baby so I understand this social factors but on a spiritual physical energetic level what are your thoughts on ending a pregnancy in in these ways for for both baby and and mother yeah I I mean there's a there's a lot to sort of um think about and reflect on in relation to that and I mean I've got my ideas and you know I I I don't think that I can say this is what happens because that would be you know sort of suggesting that I I know for definite and I don't um but my sense is yeah I mean and my sense is is that um um i if if things are favorable for a child to come in even if the conception has been you know non-loving yeah that's what I would say yeah if the soul is prepared to come in it will come in through through a child.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

That's interesting right and um I think I mean I've got a sense also that if a child wants to come in but the the parent does not want that to happen then um you know they that child might come in through a different vehicle yeah later on when the when the parent decides they want to have a child and they're ready. It's an interesting concept what you said because I've never considered it but if it's well the soul this you know if you think about it from a point of view of we the the vehicle you have multiple vehicles throughout lifetimes and the soul you know inhabits those vehicles so that it can carry out ultimately what it needs to do on this plane. Which I consider to be um a bit of a school where you learn your lessons on this plane. And who knows, you when you've learnt all your lessons, you don't need to come back to this plane, but you go somewhere else of a higher learning.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Well, it's it's the concept I'm interested in, and it's I've never thought of it before, and it's it it's really great to talk to you as always. But if it's true, which has been a very stubborn belief for a very long time, that the soul chooses the parents, and if it's true that the other side we're free of all the drama and uh problems that we hold in this body, and then when we're released, I'm told all that goes away and it's just you know love and light, right? So they're seeing things from a different perspective, the other side. That soul's choosing to come in to those parents, irrespective, or perhaps not irrespective, with full knowledge of this realm's complications, whether it be rape, whether it be one night stand, whether it be an accident, whether it be you know a marriage breaking up or whatever, right? It it's coming in still as a source of light into this realm for the opportunity to for it either to get back in and learn some things, but if if we choose our parents, one has got to at least entertain the thought of why those parents. What why have you chosen those parents and what do you need to you know learn from this or or create a learning situation for the parents, perhaps even?

SPEAKER_02 45:31

Yeah, I uh the the power of the soul is um is must sometimes I think misunderstood. You know, if you say to somebody uh you know what are we made of? Oh, we're made of um the physical, emotional, mental, and the soul. And it they they mention the soul as a word. So it's uh you reduction you re you reduce it down to a word, an intellectual concept rather than understanding. It's it's a massive energy, it's a huge energy. That soul is then, in my understanding, connected to other souls, maybe group souls, like you are connected to groups on the earth, just mirrored in you know, as above, so below. Right. And then those souls are connected to the divine, what you'd call a creative force, wherever that that is, whether you're you know you're from one star system, another star system, and then ultimately they're all connected to the the source of everything. Yeah, so the drive of the soul, if it has something to do on this plane, you you you gather together a masculine and feminine energy, and the act of of um creating a child, if that's so, if that's right for that soul to enter, it will. And you know, the power of of the soul to heal something like that, there's potential for it. And you you know as well as I do, most of the people who've had the most profound effect on humanity, if you look at their lives, they've had incredibly difficult lives, yeah. But they've they've transcended that suffering, and you could call that soul growth. You know, you talk about Christ earlier, that the suffering that that that soul had on this plane was immense, yeah. But without that suffering, they wouldn't have grown to a point where they could have, you know, Jesus, as he as he's called, carried the carried the Christ consciousness from 30 to he could only carry that Christ consciousness for three years because it was so powerful. But the the initiation up to that point was probably quite a difficult life. So each soul, when they come in, the if if there's a a way into this realm, they will find it. But then we have to look at at you know, our society is very distorted at the moment in terms of sexual relations. So what are relationships really? You know?

SPEAKER_01 48:08

It's fascinating. You know, I'm you know, by the time this one's published, I hope to have completed the evolution of what I used to call the protocol, which is kind of my base um work for most people, and then I'd have you know specifics added on, which is which is called the 369 master metabolic reset. And and and why I bring it in here, because you know, written into it is that we have essentially, and I believe deliberately, been set off course of God stroke nature, depending on which word you want to resonate with, laws, true laws. And you know, within that I talk about what I've begun to talk about today, and you know, the the energy in the soul and um holding potential um in your cells, which then attract electrons, which attract photons, which are unit of light, which has always been seen as the connection with the divine. Light is the ultimate truth and you know, God and so on and so forth. So I find all this fascinating because it just strengthens A, what I'm writing, I believe, and B that you know, if people are um if women are becoming I say people, I've got to say women, you know, but biological women who can get pregnant, right? And I I should one of my bug beds when people go, we're pregnant. No, you're not, your wife is, right? Stop it.

SPEAKER_02 49:35

Anyway, you know, when women are pregnant, um before you before you say that look, I I I would never want to go through that being No. It's such I mean, I got so much respect for that process.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Yes. Well, that's why we chose to be men when we came together. Exactly. I'm not doing that shit. Right? You know, so yeah, of course we have the utmost respect. And and and as we seriously discuss it going forward, you know, it the preconception conception period is so off of these laws that I discuss in in my protocol that the chances of them suffering and having difficult births and not being able to breastfeed and blah, blah, blah, is is it goes on and on and on. But to the context of this conversation, this this soul, this this you know, a baby growing is coming into already a state of dis-ease, usually. You know, and and so if if the world was as it should be, following God's stroke nature's laws, again, whichever you resonate with, um, it would be coming into a uh woman who is vibrantly well, vibrantly nourished, spiritually grounded and connected, you know, within an environment of man and woman and village and family, you know, so it'd all be coming into this, and it's its potential to bring its light into this world would be um uh exaggerated and and uh available. Whereas at the moment, you know, the reality is that all the problems of being pregnant and even conceiving. Look, I was in uh Jamie Icke's documentary, you know, Infer Infertile, I think it's called, um, you know, about that, you know, becoming pregnant is a huge issue right now. Most people can't get pregnant or can't hold the baby, right? So, but nonetheless, so there's all these dis-ease layers that any soul entering right now is entering into. Now, I I this is why it's so profound when you talk about that very hot potato, you know, politically, religiously, spiritually dividing abortion or pro or so-called pro-life. You know, and it's and it's you know, for me, everything's experienced, and and there is no death. So, so even if a baby's as horrific as it is to me, right? And I can understand why many good women have chosen that, and I'm not judging anyone at all. I want that to be clear, right? But it's a horrific thing. But but I don't believe there's there's death in how it's described, there's just experience. So that soul potentially came there for a reason, knowing it was going to, you know, not enter into this world. But anyway, I I I want to take this in a slightly different direction with you. And I think it's important because you're talking about souls. So where do twins, you know, identical twins sit? Because I'm working with twins or a twin right now, whose whose twin died very early on. And it's very clear to me that they're one soul separated by realms. And why she hasn't thri thrived is because she's she's only just starting to embrace that, that that concept that she is one soul with this identical twin that left this realm, and that they both have to do some healing on both sides, and and and it sits very, very well with her and other twins she's talking to. So, what what are your thoughts on identical, which shouldn't actually be able to happen, you know, biologically, and yet it does, right? So, what are your thoughts on souls and twins?

SPEAKER_02 53:31

That's an interesting question.

SPEAKER_01 53:33

Uh, I'm not expecting you to know.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Is it this is a no, I know I know, but I I I I mean I I found I find this interesting because I I remember uh program about following twins. Um this is a little while ago, and um they they they they did some studies on them genetically, whatever your thoughts are about genetics, right? And over time they found that the because the the two twins weren't doing exactly the same thing, they were changing their direction. Because most most twins are very, very similar, they'll do the same thing, they behave the same way, they finish each other's sentences, yeah. So the the this problem was falling in these twins that weren't doing that, and they found that when they did genetics over time, the the genetics was changing between the two, which I found fascinating. Yeah, it is now if you look at uh genetics um and um the structure of um uh DNA in terms of being a uh uh a geometrical pattern, it's it's it's cyclical and helical, you know, it's like a spiral. You're talking about uh a vortex, it's uh it's almost vortex-like, right? You know, and lots of people you know uh associate with associate associate that with the the the vibration of the soul. So let's say those two were a soul, or maybe they were two souls that are part of a group soul, a very specialized group soul, a twin group soul, but there are two souls in it, but they they'd already harmonized to a great degree, and then they're born into bodies. So the harmony is so is so perfect that it's mirrored in how they look. I mean, there are some twins that aren't identical, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Right, and that that that that is uh um uh interesting in a different way, but it's almost what you're suggesting, I think, is is almost like the twins have a hive mind.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

Yeah. Or they they've let's say that initially they were two separate people, and the lifetimes that they met and and grown, that contract they had soulfully started to merge into a group soul, so that they were maybe starting a a group soul of a certain harmonic frequency, and then they still haven't you know finished their job on earth, so they come through as a twin. You know? So the ultimate lesson is how do I work through some of the some of the the outworn things that need to be sorted before the whole soul moves on from this plane into a larger group of soul?

SPEAKER_01 56:32

It's interesting that you it's it's it's all interesting, but it's interesting that you say, you know, done their work on earth. Yeah. Because, you know, I've spoken to you privately, I've probably said it publicly. You know, this this career, let's call it that, you know, chose me, not the other way around. I think I thought I was chosen it, but it chose me. And and at times it gets very, very challenging. And at times in 30 plus years, I've tried to walk away from it like I can't do this, it's too, it's too hard, right? And it just grabs you and pulls you back in, right? In a positive way. So I've yielded to it that my gifts, you know, talents, whatever you want to call it, you know, this is what I'm supposed to do. I've found my purpose on this realm for this time. And actually, the work I do with people is exactly that. Is is, you know, after a certain amount of time of working with them, usually several months, we're not usually talking about the physical ailment or label they came. We're normally talking about mental emotional. And then as we go through that, they usually go through this familiar process of I can't be that, do that, or be with them type of scenario, which is quite challenging, period. But as they go through that, it's so they normally know what they don't want anymore before they know what they do want. But when they find what animates them, and that's the word I'm going to use, I actually use the word pumps their nads more often, but what we're we're we're we're a professional podcaster, we don't talk like that, right? When they find what animates them, you literally see them light up. And whether it be small or great, right? You know, whether whatever it is that they found that animates them and they put their light into it, it's wonderful, whether it be art or prophetic, you know, big stuff, life-changing for others. I don't know, but it's always the same. They they're brighter, they're lighter, which goes back to the soul and the spark of light coming in.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

So you know's pressure.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

So so what but what you're suggesting, and of course it's not just you, it's been a stubborn, you know, belief system for for eons, is you actually are coming in here, A, as a school. I believe this is a great university, right? And B to do something. There there is per I'm getting because this is very important of part two of why what is life, and I think it's purpose, right? So you're actually suggesting, and I agree with you if you are, you have a reason to come here, or reasons, a purpose, a journey, lessons.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Yeah, I I uh I'd I'd I'd also maybe now you now you're talking about maybe um you know different age souls and different contractual aspects of you know your soul's purpose here. Um I think that um there are young souls, yeah, older souls and old souls. So that at different stages of coming to this plane to learn the lesson of the earth realm and all that it has in terms of soul growth in relation to the you know the the the divine in what I would call God light or whatever you want to call it. So there's a certain type of of learning that's to be had from this sphere. And um uh it's interesting you're saying about wanting to many times leave and go in a different direction, and then you're pushed back on onto this path. You know, that's that's your soul's oh you know, it's overlooking everything and putting the pressure on you to follow that path. Having said that, sometimes people don't do that, they have a purpose to be here, they follow it for a certain um time, and then they can't see it through because it's too difficult. It might be that that's okay, right? There's no, I don't think there's a punishment for it. It's just like okay, well, you know, live your life out in this realm, you go back to the light, and then maybe you come back the next time in a different vehicle, different circumstances. The the problem is here, you see, this that we have this this fixed idea of time, whereas when you enter the cosmic realm, it's timeless, there's no time. So, this idea of uh you know, an eon can be seconds in cosmic time, and it's similarly the other way around a second could be so so long in cosmic time. So we get fixed into this idea of this is one lifetime, I have to get do everything in it, rather than saying this lifetime, what I need to do is find why I'm here. Why am I here? And I think this process starts like we were talking about conception, that starts before the child is born, yeah, before it's even thought about. I I know from my own experience, I I've known um of a uh a colleague who's into energy work, their children came to them before they he did, you know, he'd even wanted to think about having children. Yeah, and said, I want to come in to the world through you. And you know, my you know they said their partner, you know, a wife. So I I think this happens on an unconscious level or on a spiritual level, and people think they're making decisions that aren't driven by something higher, but they are, you know. And it always amazes me, you know, your child children come into the world, they're so different. Yeah, their personalities are so different, even though they come through the same person, you'd think that they they they'd be, but then that suggests that this there's another force that develops that personality or that that image of themselves on this plane. But you're right, people get unwell mostly because they they're not in tune soulfully with something, or they don't have a purpose, they don't have meaning. You know, and when they do find meaning and a purpose for being here, that allows the soul light to connect more, which is a healing, you know, it's a that's that's a that's a healing episode, that's an initiation episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:17

Sorry, I had my mic off there. Yeah, look, um as as we go into the last sort of part of today, which has been fascinating as always, at least for us, um you know these these conversations that we're having and just you know exploring things again have been that that the six people are listening to. That's right. Um, yeah, but they all write to me and and say it's fabulous, keep doing it. So I I hope to get to 12 by 2030, you know. But anyway, um, you know, it many of the concepts that we're discussing are, you know, um they're certainly not new, right? So they've been around, discussed in different ways and explained in different ways for you know from from philosophical to religious to whatever for cultural for many, many well, yeah, centuries, I'm sure. So I I think the natural thing to start to you know tie this together, at least for today, because it could be very much be ongoing as a subject, is you know, if you at least entertain, you know, you can't prove it necessarily to, but if you at least entertain that what we've discussed is knocking on the door of true and correct, from the you know, recorded light when the sperm enters, this massive explosion of light is how it's described, to the um blood starts flowing, you know, before the heart starts beating, to um, you know, the you know, soul choosing the parents and coming in and and and and on and on and on and go. We go. It has to then, if because a lot of our core themes running through the podcast is we're in a health renaissance, which which a renaissance is you know um new knowledge or maybe old knowledge being brought back to light, and um things must change, you know, as you as you see new knowledge and you know, new understanding, things must break and new must come back in. So, from a perspective, you know, and I've I by the way, I'm on also the third version and final version of the Naturally Better World Health project, which has been well received previously. And this time around, I think I've really completed it. And and and why I bring that in is because the hospitals of the future, and I don't like the word hospital, I know what it means, its origin, but it gives the scale in people's brains of a building and what have you. But the hospitals of the future, um, it just like Um some wonderful pieces uh people, I think it's Nurse Julie uh at the other end of the scale. She she is a um end-of-life nurse and and and is talking about her experiences, and it's brilliant. But it it does bring in to the consciousness then that pregnancy, not not least conception and all those things, but assuming there's a pregnancy, the care of a pregnant woman, the preparation of the woman and the husband and the family, uh in unless there's no other children, and more importantly, or or as important I should say, the delivering of the baby becomes very differently, you know, skewed on how you look at it, because you are birthing through the water. I mean, the baby comes through the birthing canal, through the mother's water, right? And and and leaves a watery environment of great safety and and resonance into this, you know, very different, you know, environment. The whole thing has to be reviewed. And if you look at modern, and there'd be many women listening, more than six, I assure you, we joke, right? But there'll be many women listening that pregnancy was not positive and birth was nightmarish. You know, it's in a hospital, your legs are kimbo, people walking in and out that you don't know, looking between your legs and you know, measuring and what have you, and and fear and artificial light. Now, if you look at any mammal, and and of course women are mammals, if you look at any naturally behaving mammal, they want a nest before they give birth. They and and they're looking to create a very safe, secure place because birth ultimately is not pushing, it's an opening, it's it's a yielding, and and the hormones that are released to uh you know instigate dilation are triggered by being not in fight or flight. Now, if you look at modern hospitals, it's you know, particularly Western hospitals, it's usually they want you birthing on the doctor's or the midwife's, you know, schedule, not nature's schedule. And this is why they do all these things I believe wrong, like breaking the water and and but but but you get the picture, right? It is the opposite of relaxed, you know, an opening rather than a pushing. And the baby's entry um is I mean, you know, we could just keep going. I mean, for example, when the birth when the when a baby is born, the the woman really should be crouching or standing up and and and allowing, not that I think gravity is quite real, but anyway, allowing gravity to take its thing. And and the baby is meant to be brought straight onto the mother's chest where the heartbeat is because it's so used to it. And then, you know, slowly and naturally the placenta is meant to be birthed, and at no time, because the pup the placenta is still pulsating, pumping up to a third of blood and stem cells and important stuff into the baby. At no time should that be clamped. It should never be clamped until that placenta has stopped and it changes colour, stopped pulsating. Now, of course, that is not what happens. So, from a point of view of the baby, it's and this is at the good side of things because a lot more shit happens, it's already traumatic. Right? It's not normally put on the baby, you know, it's taken away, right? So, you know, at every and I want you to comment and then let's, you know, kind of tie this up in a neat bow for today. You know, it isn't we are so far removed, and of course there's complications, you know, and and terrible things that that happen and cutting and c sections. What is it in America, 60% uh births uh or more of C-sections? And that's got nothing to do with whether it's required. It's to do with fear of being sued, is my understanding, right? So what do you think, you know, going forward, you know, a birthing event should look like?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

I I uh with my wife being more um aware of you know natural uh ways of birthing. Yeah, that was that was her path. And I I mean I I always look in awe of how she did that. As I said earlier, I could I I'm glad I'm a man.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

Get that thing out of me. Men are like, give me the drugs.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

But she was, you know, there was a book by Michel O'Denn. I don't know if you know of him. I've heard the name. And he was talking, he talks about mammalian birth. All mammals, when they give birth, they find a spot that's away from everything, away from danger. And it's a very vulnerable time in nature, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

You're very vulnerable.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

What what happens if there's risk, if there's a threat, yeah, stress hormones stop the the the pregnancy or so stop the birthing process naturally. The other thing that they he I think he mentioned in that book is the you know, the gestation period, it's not exactly nine months. Some some women have gone beyond that, and some women have before it. So that's right, you know, it it it's like it's like all of these things that we've we've um developed, they get uh encapsulated by uh you know a lot of fear. Yeah. And you know, if you if you think about a mother who's giving birth, her fear, the biggest fear is that the child will be born and is okay. Yeah. So you know the how uh the the chances of having faith in the whole process um is quite difficult, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

Yeah, well, you know, again, it it the whole the the point is that it's all the from the system to the you know all of it, you know, conception or preparation, it's it's in it's already in this ease and and and arguably unnatural.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

But but sort of also, I mean, you mentioning the birth process coming through you know the waters and coming through the birth canal, which we mentioned earlier, is a huge initiation for the mother into womanhood or motherhood, yeah, and uh a huge initiation for the child. Who knows what what positive effects that has on the child, that yeah, that process of going through their that canal out into the world. It's almost like coming through a tunnel, a dark tunnel.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:28

Well, it it is, it is. It's also very important because um, you know, and this is this is back to the 3D world, but but the baby coming through the canal, the birthing canal, it takes on the the microbiome of the vaginal birthing canal. Right, and and it's really, really important to start seeding. In fact, it also they now know that the I think it's some Japanese researchers, that the breast milk changes microbiome-wise by the feedback from the suckling. It's absolutely fascinating. But some wise midwives, and there's some out there, of course, uh those that are cesarean sectioned, it's a bit yucky, but it's very um apt. Uh not many do it, but for the wise ones, if a baby is born from caesarean section, well, it's not born, but you know, delivered from caesarean section, they actually take the fingers with permission, presumably, of the mother, and they they swipe inside the birthing, you know, the cervix to to get that mucus and that microbiome and they put it in the baby's mouth to seed it, right? However, it's still not natural, not normal, you know. Um and actually, and I don't really want to go here, but if you look at Pottinger's cats and and and feeding, you know, three sets of cats, one their natural diet, the other one pasteurized and slightly cooked, and the other one completely cooked and completely pasteurized. The first generation on uncooked natural food, the third generation are identical to great-grandfather and great-grandmother, right? The middle section, they've started to have all kinds of problems. The third section are infertile, throw them in the air, they won't land uh land on their um feet. But more importantly, their bone structure got narrower, their heads got narrower, their their uh um oral cavity or dental was narrower, their hips were narrower. And if you look at women today, right, the the men, you know, women in the African cultures tend to go for big hipped women, right? You know, uh because they know they're good fertile women, right? But most women nowadays in the West are very narrow hips and therefore smaller pelvises, and so the whole physical ability to birth is much more than that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:40

That's interesting. This might be for another time as well, but the the imagery of what what is uh you know uh a female form and what is beautiful, you know. So if you look at ancient times when you look at you know symbols of the divine feminine like goddess, it's a it's a much bigger rounded figure. Right. Right. But you know, if you if we're taught it through um uh you know the more glamorous side of life and the modelling side of things, what is normal, it's it's to be you know underweight and very thin.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:20

Well, you know, it we did mention the Epstein files and areas, and you can't avoid it right now. And I think it's a very good thing that these things, that the dark side of the world is coming out because when we see it we can change. But you talk about models and you know, there is tremendous evidence of um transgenderism and that these these creatures were taken at birth and and and injected and you know, but you know, the the ultimate w middle finger to God is to get a man to fancy a man. And how do you do that? You make them look like women, you know, and so when you look at their physical anatomy, you know, particularly their shoulder to hip ratio. So a woman, her hips should be wider than the armpit and usually wider than the shoulders, you you're seeing that the hips are you know narrower than the armpit, so they're probably not even a biological woman. And so that we've been, you know, there's a lot of uh information out there on that, and some of it's of course ridiculous, but it's very compelling. But the fact is, even if they are women, and you go back to Pottinger's cats, the physical anatomy has changed and become narrower. You'll you'll know this as a dentist, I'm sure, and Western Price's information that, you know, sort of 50, 60, 70 years ago, you know, that we were much rounder or squarer faces, and the changing away from our natural diet, which is meat and fat and seasonal fruits, you know, the the change in diet, we've become much narrower. You must have all the time crowded, you know, teeth and and that sort of uh problem. You know, faces are now much narrower, and certainly with women, the hips and pelvis are uh are wrong. Go and look up Pottinger's cats if you have to.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:05

Yeah, no, I I I think that um you know it's it it's unfortunate as well that you talk about the the the birth process and conception. Um I mean there's this young people to a certain degree, not all, but I know a lot of them don't want to bring children into the world because it's not a nice world for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:27

Yes, I I I understand that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:29

But I mean it's our responsibility as the the the adults to create a better world for our children. And and we are, and I am We are and I'm getting but it but it's like taking on that responsibility with a joy rather than oh my god, have I got to do that?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

Yeah, but this you know, and I am gonna wrap it up now, but it this ties everything that we talk about, right? You know, there has been a um dark interference with the course of humanity that I believe is in the midst of being corrected, and within that is what we discuss as dis-ease, dis-ease of the individual, which emanates into behavior and family and society and nations, right? And so it's all quite simple to understand that if you want to screw up a nation, you know, and and depopulate humanity, you start messing with the the man and the woman, right, and the family and the you know, so on and so forth. So I believe we're in this renaissance in every area, financial everything. And, you know, when you see, and at least I do, when I see a I don't want one, but when I see a baby smiling, a you know, a young baby just you know, the innocence and the laughter, you know, you can't help but just go and love, you know, love it. That's natural. And and of course, you know, those souls are coming in not only to participate in bringing their light here into this realm and making it a better place, but they're also coming here to inherit the work we did. So, so this great circle of life, this great story of life, you know, is is continuing and unfolding, and at the core of it, and this is where I want to sort of end, you know, at the core of it is not chemistry or biology, at the core of it is divinity, it is soul, is is everlasting life, and a creator, whatever you want to call that. Amen.