the Doctors No More Podcast: Episode 13; If Life Feels Dark, Your Body May Be Trying To Wake You Up

If you’ve ever stared at a diagnosis, a breakup, burnout, or plain old despair and thought, “What is all this for?”, we go straight into that question. We pick up where our birth and death conversations leave off and get honest about life: how it can feel brutal, confusing, and unfair, and how it can also be the exact pressure that forces real healing and real growth. 

We talk about the surge in “awakening” over the last five years and why so many people are rethinking mainstream, reductionist medicine. When you treat a human like a bag of chemicals, you miss the most obvious drivers of chronic illness: suppressed emotion, unresolved trauma, fear loops, loss of meaning, and the daily cost of living inauthentically. We share stories that make this concrete, from a cancer wake-up call that triggered a total life review, to the reality that some of the happiest-looking people are quietly falling apart. 

From an integrative health and mind-body perspective, symptoms can be messages, not enemies. We explore identity, forgiveness, and how “letting go” is both emotional and physical, including why grief and fear show up in the body over time. We also get practical about momentum: if you release an old pattern, you must fill that space with something better or you’ll recreate the same relationship, job, or inner story on repeat. 

If you want deeper conversations about holistic healing, spiritual awakening, authenticity, and reclaiming joy, subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_01 0:41

I think we're going to do it. I wanted me to be healthy.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Well, you know, I want to say welcome back to episode 13, but um we're human beings, professionally unprofessional or unprofessionally professional, whichever way you want to look at it. And whilst recording this podcast series, and I take full responsibility in the box of shame, the corner of shame, somewhere along the line, um I may, quote, may have lost episode six and episode eight while I was updating computers and things. So we got a little bit of a I mean, actually really fantastic episodes as well. And they they are, we were gutted, and um but you know, um we'll see whether they pop up sometime in the ether, and then we decided that we should probably change which episode it was because then we went to this morning, we went, no, forget it. Let's just we're at episode 13. We're right after two really important episodes, which the first one was on birth, and the second one was on death, and the purpose that we would then the third of a sort of mini-series within the podcast, you know, leave life for the end. And so it's life, Jim, but not as we know it. I don't know why I went off into Star Trek King, but I did. Well, it's a natural progression, isn't it? It's a natural progression, and and actually, you know, uh as always, I never know where our conversations will go today. So they're as fresh for me as they are for you listening, and we hope you know our rapidly growing audience, and thank you for all the feedback. Do do write to us. Um you can reach us at uh jeremez.com and uh doctorsnomore.com. You can reach out to us. But thank you. We're loving your comments, we're loving that you're sharing the podcast, and we're loving your suggestions um for things that you might want us to talk about. Excuse me. So anyway, without further ado, Doc Thomas, my my wise and wonderful friend, life. You know, so we we talked about birth, and and again, if this is the first time you're joining this podcast, it's probably a good idea to at least go back to um two episodes before this one, whatever number that turns out to be at the moment, on birth and then death, and then come back to this one. But the reason we premised it like that is because so many people, especially in the last five years, it's what, when we're recording this, it's the 25th of February, 2026. But especially in the last five years, we've seen as um uh I don't know, I don't know what to call. I like the word true doctors, but whatever you want to call us, and some people use not so positive words, but you know, whatever you want to call us, what we've seen in the last five years is an enormous awakening. Many, many more people looking into um different podcasts about you know what makes people sick and what makes people um heal. And and we believe uh through the grapevine and some direct contact also that that is also an increasing number of doctors and nurses and pharmacists and uh what you might call system or modern medicine professionals. And we certainly know uh from America um that during COVID there was something called quiet quitting. So when they knew, or convid as it should be called correctly and factually, where they knew something was wrong. In fact, they knew something was wrong before that, but that pushed them too far. But instead of standing up, um, they did something which came to be known as quiet quitting. Well, now we're in a time, and I'm aware, um, and I think it's the tip of the iceberg, where mainstream doctors are trying to have one foot out of the system and to create something similar to the memberships or I do or other people. Well, I I think our membership is extraordinarily unique, but but certainly trying to do something outside the box without getting their wings clipped or their licenses threatened. And I and this is what I wanted to bring in life because um during that great awakening and this thirst and this what I think is the medical renaissance, um you you have to stop and which is hopefully what we do in this podcast, and you know, it at least start to discuss, if not, you know, accept off the bat, that dis-ease and human health, which is not necessarily the absence of a diagnosis, by the way, um, must be viewed at more than a reductionist um viewpoint, which is essentially what medicine did, to be quite simplistic, is remove the soul, pretty much remove mental, emotional things and put it into a box of psychiatry. And psychiatry, I don't believe, is a science, it's certainly not a medicine. And if you want to know more, follow a good psychiatrist, uh Dr. Joseph on YouTube is very, very good. Um, but the reductionist method was basically your bag of chemicals, that's pretty much what they get taught. And when you're sick, you've either caught something or some chemistry's gone wrong and the body is not intelligent, and we need to go in kind of mechanically and either cut, burn, or poison it, and or suppress the symptoms until you quote unquote feel better. And to many, um, you know, when you take a drug and the symptoms seem to get better, that's that's good medicine. But as I well know, and certainly Doc Thomas, um, they don't uh tend to see the progression and where one dislabeled disease moves into a next, they don't see the correlation, and I certainly do, as certainly my learned friend Doc Thomas does. So, you know, a long-winded intro of life, because I believe, and I was taught, especially by the great Barbara Wren, and and also with the great Harry Hawes, my first mentor, the wonderful man that he was and his beautiful wife Doreen, that, you know, this is is exactly that. And so I always you know stretch it, and that actually, and it's more Barbara Wren the next part, that it's a potentially a blessing in disguise. And when I say this is, you might be listening and you have never had a labelled condition. You certainly would have seen them in the last five years with an enormous increase in in you know tragically acute um heart problems, turbo cancer. So you this is probably not a person listening that hasn't seen someone get very sick or die in the last five years. And it got very dark, Gareth, before I hand over to you. For many people, when I did with the Human Unleash team the you know, starting March 2020, the 28 episodes on Convid and what it was and what it wasn't. And I was one of the first doctors, I think, in to call out what it was and what was going to happen, and sadly, or or happily, as the case may be, I was proved to be right. But it created a great deal of darkness, even in those that may have considered themselves learned or awake or whatever words. And for me, it's uh created a huge opportunity for humanity. So, what I want to discuss today, you know, for those that might still be, you know, fibrillating in the dark or look at you know, quote unquote news or social media or whatever, or in their own life, or with a loved one or someone or family that is sick or whatever, and they're basically in a place where, like, you know, what's it all for? And, you know, it's all shit and whatever it is, or or you know, versions of that. Um, I believe all of it, including if you've been given a scary, you know, label, a diagnosis, is the potential of an opportunity in disguise. And why I say that, and I am going to hand over to Gareth for his comments, is because over and over and over again over the years I've helped complex cases from you know, over a period of time of normally three months to a year, depending how serious they are, I get to see that the dis-ease patterns layers, you know, started very young. You know, the the the misinterpretation of what they're you know, for example, mine was eczema straight after being vaccinated. Unfortunately, in those days, they stopped vaccinating if you got eczema. Now they don't. It was a known side effect, right? Now I know it affected my gut, my digestion, and my liver, and it then caused more problems that put me on steroid creams, which made me depressed at Zeno. So anyway, the point is that, you know, um because I've gone through so many layers with literally thousands and thousands of people, and if you're able to successfully manage them through those with protocols and structured consultations and what have you, when they come out the other side and they've in their 3D body, they've got more voltage and more potential and are literally holding more light. I've only seen completely different human beings, the best version, or at least on path to the best versions they've ever been, and they literally have changed at every level, and they're excited, they become excited about their life. They might have been in a very dark place, and now they go off, and I've only seen them do or or attempt to do great things. Yes, I see people go out their life, that's traumatic, and new people come in, but this is what I want to talk about. You know, we did birth, we did death. Is life, especially if it's dark and crap right now, Gareth, truly a potential blessing in disguise?

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Wow, that's uh uh you know, that's a very uh deep question, I think. I mean the the the word that uh sticks out to me from what you're saying is you know awakening. And the that word has been used a lot, especially over the last five years, you know, awakening, awake. Are you awake? You know? Yes. Now um I I if you if you look at that word awakening, uh from a spiritual viewpoint, it's becoming aware of something spiritually that you weren't aware of previously. Right. So you you become more awake to something greater than you originally thought life to be. Now usually what happens with most people is there has to be some form of uh trial in life for that.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

What I would usually call crisis, but you're choosing trial.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Trial, trauma, crisis, there has to be a pressure that forces people to look at something from a different viewpoint. Now, if you look at what happened over the last five years, that there's a lot of darkness with uh the you know the scandemic and there were a lot of people uh which I would say were were behaving to control humanity in a very, very dark way.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Yes, and this is definitely at this period of time provable, factual, and and more and more evidence is arising about it.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

So what happens is that that darkness it forces the light to to be an opposition to it. Right? Because everything is polarity. You have a lot of darkness, you'll get a lot of light, you know, trying to counteract that. And then what happens is that you know you get all those all those people who can you know, they did a good job of controlling the whole planet, yeah, right? It was it it was orchestrated and it was engineered and it was done with a definite focused intent. Now, if you're gonna do that to the whole consciousness of the planet, the light that comes in to counteract that is gonna hit the whole consciousness of the planet too. So that's when people start to go, oh my god, this there's more to this story of life than I realized. Now that's on a collective level, but then what happens is people you know take that from their own personal life view. So they might have had a an awakening saying, Look, oh my god, you know, these people I used to trust, or the systems or things I used to trust before, I can't trust them anymore. And then what automatically happens is that outer reality starts to create change inwardly. So you then start to say to yourself, Well, if that's true, what is what things do I believe about my own life aren't actually real? So what happens is people start to question then their own life, their own relationships, you know, from childhood, the relationships they might be in presently, their relationships with family members, their work, all those things, and they start to question them. Now that can that can also be a a point where people become aware of the fact that they're living in a diseased uh pattern type behavior. So disease doesn't manifest quickly, it takes time. And some people it takes crisis, like you said, they get unwell, then they have to look at it, or some people become aware that they're not uh living in a healthy way and start to make changes. So there's different stages of disease patterns. There are, you know, if you're fortunate enough to be aware of it before it hits the physical, or if before it really hits the mental and emotional side of life, like depression and things like that, or you know, suicidal aspects of things, then you can make changes that are uh slightly easier sometimes. But when it really manifests and you have to make changes, you you have to become more awake because you have been sleeping to a certain degree about what what your life has been. Now that can be a really difficult time because it means that when you start to think differently, you start to realize who you were and what you would like to be, and how do you get there? What's the journey to it? And I think that's where people get um uh stuck because they don't they don't have a a manual that they can go, oh well, I'll find you know, this is how I get through this, and unfortunately, what happens through programming is that they say, Oh, I'm unwell, so what what should I do? I'll go to my doctor, they're the only ones who know how to help me, right? And the issue is that the reductionist point of view, when somebody's going through an awakening process, it doesn't bring that into it. You have to have some form of awareness of emotions, thoughts, and spirituality if you're going through some form of awakening process. That's where the word comes from. Awakening comes from the spiritual awakening.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah, it's it's interesting that you bring I think it's a very important thing that we actually go there for a wee bit. Because um I don't necessarily like the term awake, but but it's we we have to use what's being used out of there. I think I think probably more conscious or on a path the more conscious is probably Yeah, because you you could get a group of people who say they're awake and they all have different, very different takes on things.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Some of it can be, you know, true to real a reality, some of it can be nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Well, well that that's actually what I was going to say, because you know, when you use the term awake nowadays, um or or prior to the you know and I do like the term the Great Awakening, and I do believe humanity has been programmed, which is just a very strong, enforced pattern that's been being set up for us, um, and being described as asleep. But when we say awake, it doesn't necessarily mean that you've read all of David Icke's books and are now convinced um of things that may or may not actually be true. But it it I like to use Natalie as a as a case, my wife, you know. Natalie was uh you know, always been a good woman, you know, doing nice things, always smiling, trying to be uh, you know, an A student and what have you. And um her life, like many people, had had not turned out the way um that she quite wanted. And um she got uh diagnosed with breast cancer and basically told to, you know, even after all the quote unquote treatments, which is the only time she felt she was actually dying, you know, she had to review uh well not had to, but the uh she uh her awakening was uh, you know, I'm going to die or or potentially going to die, and I need to review, not as conscious as this at that moment, but I need to review every aspect of my life, that my marriage, my work, my faith, everything. Where she began. And so her awakening um, which led her on the right path to starting to heal, and then she and she did uh an enormous amount of that herself, and then she met me and we helped to get rid of all the chemo that was in her body and blah blah blah. And you know, 15 years on she's thriving, spoiler alert. But nonetheless, her awakening was not you know the royals of lizards or you know, any of the evil that's being you know um released in the Epstein files right now, which all uh uh uh appear to be factual and uh necessary for the human to humans to see en masse. But her awakening was, you know, um I've been to cut it very short, I've not been living an authentic me. You know, I've been suppressing so much stuff in order to keep the peace, to not upset people. And and and so her awakening, and I think this is for many people, is discovering um that they haven't been authentic. And authentic, you know, I I also mentioned my auntie, she wasn't my real auntie, but we considered her an auntie. Um, she was a chain-smoking um mouth on legs, right? That's what I'm gonna say. And you, she was highly intelligent and always impeccably dressed and and self-made and full of big jewelry, and and she did not suffer fools. You know, chain smoke, I mean she was never she should have been in Coronation Street or something like that, right? Except for she was a sudden thing, right? And she did not suffer fools well, and and basically everyone was fools to her, right? So you did not want to get on the wrong side of them. And I used to watch her, just particularly her Greek Cypriot husband, just crucify him, right? And if you know, no one actually liked her husband, he was annoying, so it was kind of half entertaining. But she lived, you know, to sort of I think way past 90, you know, chain smoking. And and I and I think to myself, well, why didn't she get lung cancer with you know, 40, at least 40 a day? And I th and I think the reason is is she was authentic, right? I mean, she did, you know, she was you might argue she should have been this, she should have been nicer, but she was authentic. There wasn't a stressful bone in her body of suppression. It was just, I'm going to tell you while you while you are a fuckwhip, and I'm not only gonna tell. You I'm gonna take several minutes, you know, to tell you until you believe me, and I and that's and then my job's done and I'm happy. But so so when I when I talk about we laugh, right? But when I talk about authentic, you know, um I'm talking about you know being authentic. What do you say on that?

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah, I mean I I think uh authenticity and being true to yourself is really important, no matter what, you know, because it's so it it's there's so many influences in the world that can can shape you into something that you're you're not. But it it I mean I if you wanted a definition of awakening, what are you awakening to? You're awakening to the fact that you have a soul, and that soul has a purpose in each incarnation life through the vehicle which you have. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

And I just I just jump on that because I think that's really important. I d I don't like interrupting you, but that vehicle analogy interrupted. I it shh shh you'll find out, right? Um that vehicle analogy is it can't be just you know jumped by because it really it you when people go, yeah, I know I've got a soul, the soul has entered, as we spoke in the last two episodes, into your vehicle and is what's animating it. You know, the body is the vehicle, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

So yeah, back to the soul. Yeah, so so you know the uh and when when the vehicle's not been driven in the right direction, things go wrong. Oh so there's a direction. Of course there's a direction. So the way I see it is that each soul and each incarnation has a purpose, a life purpose. Right? So let's let's divide life up into um infancy, early childhood, teenage years, um, early adulthood, mid-late adulthood, whatever you want to call it, old age, what it's just a general progression from um different states of of being as a vehicle. The vehicle's constantly changing and while the vehicle's constantly changing, the soul energy wants to keep incarnating through that vehicle. It doesn't matter what age you are, and the soul's incarnation through that vehicle is influencing the vehicle, but the vehicle's also being influenced by the um surrounding energies or influences, so your parents, school, your community, your you know, your early years, what what type of food you ate, what type of relationships you had, were you traumatized, and all this is happening to the vehicle, but but the soul is recording it as well. So there's a two-way relationship, and the soul can have a uh an effect to push the direction of the vehicle into a healing um uh direction if needed at that point in time. But I would say you I I want to bring this back to the idea that you were talking about you know learning from a a crisis or a disease that manifests, but I'm of the mind that when we come into this, you know, your vehicle there are things that you choose to take on from your parents and from your community. And let's say you you've set those patterns up karmically in other lifetimes. And I'm I'm not saying karma as a bad thing, like you're bad, you've got bad karma, it's just patterns of of cause and effect. If you behave in a certain way, you create a ripple in the in the vibration or consciousness of humanity. That ripple will go out and come back. It's just cyclical, it's rhythm, that's nature. And what happens is that each lifetime you come in, if you're taking on patterns that you you need to early on, that might lead you into a crisis that you need to experience, move through to grow soulfully and to work out your karma.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

And I love I love this because um when i if if we were excuse me, if we remember I'm gonna say remembered this, if we if we were remembered and society as it used to um teach these things or or things like this, if you came in and that was sort of your default sat nav, right, using the vehicle that that that you're here for a reason and and there's lessons to learn, and what you do matters, what you say matters, what you know, what imprint you put in here. And the tribal people are very conscious of that. Their basic premise from what I've done working with them or understood is you know, you don't own anything and leave everything better than you found it for the next generation. So they their understanding of this you know continuation.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

I would add to that just briefly, and that includes the vehicle that you uh inhabit, because you can't take it with you. That all gets taken back into the earth, yeah?

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Aaron Ross Powell Right. So so they they understand I'm not saying you know th th the tribal people know it all and they've been decimated by Western influences and other energies, but nonetheless, you know, we've strip it to the core. I think fundamentally, you know, they absolutely understand that you you came in with nothing other than you know your light, and you and you can you're gonna leave with nothing. And so you can only use everything. And if you understand the basic law of continuation, you want to leave it better than you found it. So back to that sort of if Western culture was um once again aware of this when hardship came knocking on their door, the proverbial storm, or or when they got sick, you know, or even up to an accident, because Louise Hay and many other philosophers and popular psychology or whatever you want to call it, you know, and I subscribe to this, there are no accidents, right? So if you'd have gone into it from from you know early on and you developed through adulthood with some um you know rituals from boy to man and girl to woman and that sort of thing, when you got sick or when something happened, you would um not only draw upon the knowledge that you you have observed to work or work with people, but you would say, well, what is there, what is it to learn from this? Because uh, from having worked with you know, probably tens of thousands now, what I've come to see, including in my own life, is trauma, for example. And trauma, you know, convid was trauma for many, still is. You know, families are decimated, marriages are decimated, you know, um, you know, whole fabrics of society have been divided and decimated, right? But even prior to that, you know, what I've seen, and especially I'm thinking of uh of the traumas that have happened in my life, um, that's that once you go through a period of time and review um uh and come to see it what it did, they're often literally stopping you going down a road or trying very strong to push you. Sometimes they're walls, sometimes they're redirecting, like water flowing and hitting it. It can't go through, it's got to go round, under, or over. And as those traumas play out with this kind of mindset, you know, and I'm and I'm and I want to be very, very clear to people listening, you know, and I know Gareth knows this, I have heard probably every horror that could be done to human beings um in consultations. I've I've had XSAS squaddies, you know, ordinary folk, you know, um even up to people that were were um chosen to be abused, to be manipulated. But you know, I've heard it all, the horrors, right? And so one would go, how on earth is that a blessing in disguise? But as they work through it and and knowing that whatever happened to them at the very least is over. The only thing that remains, you know, presuming that out of that, you know, circumstances, the only thing that remains is an energetic memory and pattern. Okay, and of course it's changed them enormously negatively. But as they come through, and I could I could name some well-published people that have had terr tremendous trauma and horrors, but as they've come through it and they've come to see you know why it happened to them in the context that Gareth is is discussing, they've gone on to do the most amazing work and the most amazing light they've held. And this is why, and it's what I want to continue to discuss here, because I want to take it in another way uh direction in the in the moment as well, that no matter what you've been through recently or going through recently, you know, you have a choice. You've either got yeah, it's just it's just one life, you know, and this one's shit. And and that's what I hear a lot of, right? You know, um, particularly with social media rubbing in your face of how well they're they're allegedly uh living their life, right? So I hear that one a lot. It's very attractive, this just one life, live it shit, right? Or you see it as this is a school, this is an opportunity. What is there for to learn? Do today's work, tomorrow, you know, it's a journey, all those sort of things, right? So what do you say on that, Gareth?

SPEAKER_01 32:34

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think uh you've just made me think of that phrase, you know, my life is shit, right? So what you do is you say, Well, my, me, who who am I? Yeah. And if you start to delve into that, you start to realize that you know the identity that you form is shaped by as we say, parents, relationships we have, um, now more so, you know, social media, what you take in through TV, me, all those things shape who you think you are, right? Yeah. Now, when it comes to a point when you say, My life is shit, well, change who who you are, and then your life changes. Yeah. Now, that's easy to say that, but in reality, what does that mean? Right? It means that you you need to sit down sometimes and change the way you look at life, maybe release some ideas about life which don't work for you anymore. Become more in tune with the emotional side of life and be honest. If you're angry, be angry. Obviously, don't harm people if you can. Yeah, you know if you've got grief, release it. Lots of people who get into trauma, the biggest problem they have is forgiving, right? They cannot forgive and they cannot release the memory. But let's we're talking about birth, life, and death, right? When you come to the end of your life and you're dying, the emotions and thoughts that are connected to you, your physical vehicle, you have to let go of those anyway. Right? So at some point you will have to let go of those memories and emotions so that your soul is released from that and can move on in a better fashion. If you don't release them, this probably sin is a bit more difficult. So I think that when people get into these places where uh uh life is is shit, there you know, there's a is a great uh tarot card which is called um the hanged man. And my my teacher Hang or hang? Hanged. It's a s it's a sign, it's basically a person hanging upside down on a on a I think on a cross or something or on a tree. On a tree, right? Hanging upside down on a tree. And the imagery is don't fight it, you have to just hang there and see it from the other, the opposite thing. If there's something difficult going on with the vehicle, emotions and thoughts, there's some growth wanting to be had on a soulful level. So then you you have to start the process of right, how do I start to trust this process? How do I recognize it? So if you're having a crisis, rather than trying to avoid it and start developing things to, you know, um numb it or bypass it, learn how to sit with it, to express it, learn how to get it out, learn how to be f you know, be friendly with it in some shape or form, and then see that as a pattern of you know of power, empowerment. So that emotion and the memory and the the story that you've built up, and I you know there's lots of stuff coming up now about people's stories and trauma. We sometimes we make it up. Yeah, it doesn't mean to say you don't have a trauma, but the the the imagery and the memories that you make up around it, they all depend on who you are, you know. And if you if you actually took, say, three people in a traumatic situation, you had the the traumatized, the you know, the perpetrator, yeah, and the observer, they'd all have a different take on it.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

This is a very important point because I got taught um by a wonderful um woman called Mighty, um who's who's a very uh wonderful uh therapist um that that mostly practices with emotional freedom technique, commonly called tapping, but she's she's very learned in many other areas too, and she's larger than life, and I adore her, and she's wonderful. Um But she she taught me a very important lesson um uh on exactly what you just said, which is when people are sharing with her what trauma they've been through, it doesn't matter to her whether it's true or not. And of course, if you said that to the person, they'd be probably very uh um upset, you know, even angry.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Well, it hurts because it's an e it's an egoic part of them. Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

Right. So but it but it is it is not important to her whether they are telling it true or completely lies or in between. What's important to her is that they believe it and that they and that emotionally they have formed you know a pattern and identity or whatever. And so where she specializes and she does a wonderful job at it is she's releasing those patterns and releasing those emotions, not necessarily or rarely going back and reviewing them for authenticity or what have you. And this is actually this is a good segue where I wanted to get to. Go back to go forward. Within this, I spoke about authenticity. And most people around the world, it's a sort of universal um human thing, I would argue, is we hate liars. Right? No matter what culture you're in, if you find out you've been lied to, it's it it it uh creates very negative, strong emotions, and it's very difficult to continue a relationship, or at least a healthy relationship, with a liar. Now, the world is finding out, as far as I'm concerned, that that pretty much all the governments and those of power and position and fame um are liars of the worst case. But the liars I want to talk about is you and me and the audience listening. And when you when I say that, that what? You know, and I did a lecture some years ago to adults and I thought I I don't know how this is gonna go, whether I'm gonna be lynched. But I said to them, I said, you know, probably, I had to pose it as a question, you're probably all liars, right? And they looked at me kind of glaze-eyed, right? And then I and I said, well, let me let me clarify that. And you'll know what I'm talking about instantly, Gareth, right? Doc Thomas. Um most people who are quote unquote professionals or hold a job, uh, right, are not operating authentically in my experience of talking to thousands and thousands of people. They have a persona, they get dressed up a certain way, they behave a certain way. For example, I always use this as a joke, you know, you know, imagine an office scenario, and um, you know, John goes, Um, hey Barbara, um, is those those accounts uh or sales figures done and ready for me? And Barbara goes, Yeah, no problem, John, I've nearly got them. I'll send them in a in a minute, right? And and they smile at each other, and then John leaves, and John goes, I know that bitch hasn't done it in his head, right? And Barbara goes, That fucking idiot, he knows I have it. He's naughty, right? So, you know, you're laughing because when I did that to the audience, I did pretty much the same thing. They all laughed and nodded their head. And so, you know, the point was probably in front of me and probably listening are good people, people that think they're not liars. But if you replace liar for authentic, and I accept that, you know, to to conduct oneself in public and society, there is layers of authority. It doesn't mean maybe it maybe it should mean it, but I it doesn't mean you always have to, you know, when you like my auntie, meet meet an idiot, tell them in explicit terms what it doesn't mean that, right? But what it does mean for me is accepting that you are operating at a degree that is not authentic, that energy has come into you that wasn't honestly expressed, like John, you've, you know, really it's come into you, right? And that you at least acknowledge that that energy has gone into somewhere in your body, usually the gut, not infrequently the heart, and frequently the throat, the the chakra of the voice, but at least acknowledge it. Because when I talk to people that work and hold jobs, you know, very few of them are fulfilled and happy. And when they get to the end of the day, the most common word, yes, we can talk about EMFs and stuff being involved, but the most common word I hear is drained. You know, and if I know anything about holding the soul in the body and this potential and energy and holding light that I'm talking about, it is it is the life force. And when you see someone, we talked about in the last episode in death, when someone is near to death in a you know a rare natural death, right, you can see the lights fading. People use words like they're they're just holding on. You know, it's they're very dimming, right? And as you rightfully say, when they leave their body, and I do want to say one more thing on this, when they do leave their body, my understanding from talking to people who've experienced it and coming back is all that shit, you know, that you went through, all that trauma or horror or or whatever goes away, right? It it is just not non-consequential. And this is very um important to me because a lot of people I've worked with had horrid parents or or siblings that have treated them terribly. You know, on paper, you could certainly build a case of, yeah, real bad, right? And yet, many of those, I'm not saying all, as those people, mothers, fathers, siblings, whatever it was, got to their death, needed to talk to them. And it's a bit of a bitch, actually, and seek forgiveness. When they knew they were leaving this realm, you know, they go, you know I loved you. You know I've always, even though they've treated them to so it's very, very interesting as they come to leaving their body, you know, what's commonly called death, that they suddenly want, you know, redemption and forgiveness and say the words they've never said. So, you know, in the context of everything I've said there, particularly good ordinary people, and I think many good ordinary people didn't know they were living an inauthentic life because they'd fallen into patterns. And I think This is where humanity is at now. We're seeing our patterns. We're seeing it is being set up for us not to thrive and be authentic. It is actually, in fact, and now I will hand over to you. We had a very interesting conversation the other day to go to the deepest levels of, you know, where there's no studies per se, is everything feeds in this world, including the unseen world. And a lot of that inauthentic patterned behavior that's been set up is to create, it's a very long-held view by many philosophers and cultures, excuse me, that there is some parasitical called many different things, you know, in this realm that feeds off of fear. I think Monsters Inc., if you've never seen it, is a documentary, you know, not a children's. But that but you know, that darkness that so many people have lived through for hundreds of years is feeding some the unseen world. And and to starve it to death, you know, seeing your traumas and hardships as blessings in disguise is the beginning of the cure.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Oh, that's quite prophetic. Yeah, I mean, if I I'm I I uh when I you know I still and the the common thread in that was with the black dog, you know, the uh the blues and that that place where you know people feel really down almost to the extent where they can uh name it as some sort of being as such, you know. So g it it has a name, and I think that um it's interesting you're talking about um uh the way people put on a face, you know. And uh if you you know you have people who are i incredibly unhappy and and incredibly ill, and you can say to them, Oh, how are you today? Oh, I'm fine, I'm great. You know, and um it's interesting. I've been just revising some Bach Flower stuff, you know, Edward Bach, um who's uh considered to be a genius in constructing constructing a whole healing modality. And the I'm I'm going through the flowers in alphabetical or alphabetical order, and the the first is agrimony, putting on a brave face, you know. People who seek who seek desperately seeking peace, but they're they're in conflict constantly because they're trying to find it rather than you know just been accepting what's going on inside, you know, rather than trying to see what's going on inside, being accepting of it, accepting that there are things, they're outwardly constantly searching for things. Can I share?

SPEAKER_00 47:01

Can I share because that's so important, I want to share it and you know, I tend to share the extreme stories, but they're not so I had a client, I'm gonna call him Steve, which is not his name.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Oh, Steve.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

Steve. All right, Steve. Um I I had a client, um, and I'm not even gonna say which country, right? Because uh, you know, case they're listening, right? But um they were known with he was a dairy farmer, right? A third generation dairy farmer, and within the farming community, there's this sort of unspoken law that you never sell the family farm. And Steve around the community was always smiling, and people would see Steve and go, Right, Steve. And Steve would always give a big smile, thumbs up, and goes, good as gold, mate. Probably gives away where he may have come from, right? And that was Steve. Everyone knew Steve. Steve was fabulous, right? Just good best person to know, eh? Fantastic. Always happy. Yeah, always it, right? So Steve came to see me with digestion problems, okay? And me being me, I do a case history and I get to the bottom of things very quickly. You know, forgive the pardon with the digestive system, but I get to the bottom of things. Yeah. Bend over. No, none of that. Um, matron. Anyway, it's a serious story. So, you know, I got to the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Well, you you might be leading me on to something here.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

Well, maybe okay. But, you know, um, I got to the bottom of things, and it turned out that every day, or nearly every day, Steve was in the cow shed with his shotgun in his mouth. Yeah. And if he had succeeded, which he didn't, um, the whole community would have been shocked. It and it would have been things like this. Steve, good as gold Steve. Yes, right, and it would have been utter shock. And, you know, it took me some months working with him, but the bottom line was the belief you can't sell family farms. And he because he I I should add, he hated cows. That was his truth, right? He hated cows and he shouldn't hate cows. He comes from cow farming folk, right? But he hated cows, and his fear was the whole community would judge him. And so it took me months to convince him, as well as doing other things, to talk to some trusted farmers. So I was treating lots of farmers then, so I knew the farmer. I said, Go and talk to them, they you know, your surrounding farmers. And it took him months, pure fear that once you speak those words, the cat's out the bag, right? And it was, it would be like social suicide. Anyway, he spoke who do you become after that? Exactly, right? And so he spoke to them, and and my faith in the community was well served. And they went, Steve, mate, if you hate cows, get out, mate. You know, in fact, in fact, we got four sons and three farms. We're looking for another farm. We'll buy your farm. Eight weeks later, he'd sold the farm. And he went off and did what he'd always wanted to do, bought some land, he did want some animals to keep for food, right? Um, but he bought you know a small holding and he wanted to have a big truck with some diggers, and that's what he wanted to do. Now you can judge Steve on that, but Steve was happy as Larry, you know, you know, or happy as Steve. And so when you said that about authentic, you know, there is probably in every day of people's interactions, there are Steve's.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

Yeah, of course it is. I mean, uh agrimony, um the you know, to Edward Bach uh he discovered 12 personality types. And one of them is agrimony, putting on a brave face, and you can see that pattern in people. You know, those people who are jovial and they they're everything's okay, but actually inside there they're really struggling. Um but yeah, I it's interesting. You were lead talking about getting to the bottom of things. Uh I'll share a more personal story of my own healing uh path. I got piles very early on in my healing journey, right? I won't go into too much detail.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

And I know I I I know this is audio and I'm smiling and I'm already feeling like I shouldn't be smiling. But everyone does, right? With piles, right? Go on. It's not piles of and and actually I was just watching Only Falls and Horses last night because I because I'd had a some of a bit of a tough day, and I needed uh just to laugh. And it's the one where Delboy, if you've never watched Only Falls and Horses, go and see it, and he's he's just got crates and crates of oranges he's trying to sell. What piles, piles of oranges? Piles of oranges, right? And granddad has is has just gone home when he's walking, you know, he's not walking well, and and and this woman comes up, and all there is is oranges and says, Have you got has he got pineapples? And and Rodney goes, he goes, uh no, he's just got problems with his legs. But anyway, you know, uh, and and I just I just I just laughed and laughed and laughed. And then he realized, oh no, we've only got oranges to say. Anyway, it was hilarious. But but back to your you know, let's be serious because we're professionals, allegedly. Uh your piles are funny as well. Yeah, so anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

I go off, I go off to, you know, uh the the GP and um he does his bit, um, reluctantly, may I say. And um uh I said, so what what what's the cure for this? Oh, he says, Oh, you've just got to use this gel. I said, for how long? Well, for forever, basically, as as long as they're there for, you know. And I I was just starting on my healing journey. I thought, nah, that's that I'm not doing that. Yeah. What am I gonna do? How do you heal this? So I I started reading up on you know uh the congestion aspect of things not being let go of, blood vessels that are, you know, hemorrhaged. So then I started looking at the you know the the energy behind it, and it relates to the base chakra, which is survival, ancestral patterns. Yeah, so then I started looking at the ancestral fears that were passed on to me, the inability to let go, the security aspect of things, and when you start to go into it in that sort of um focused, uh structured way, it starts to uncover things in a very, very progressed way that you can understand. And once you start to understand it, you start to become empowered, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Yeah, well, you you do you do because you know humans, whether they realize it or not, still hold a lot of knowledge. For example, in ref in totally in relation to what you're talking about, right? The Chinese, you know, uh from their philosophy of medicine, know the organs have other qualities. And the bowel, for example, is the organ of grief. It's where you and grief is not just death, it's like you know, things that have come into you, which we've you know already, you know, referred to, and get stuck and it's not serving you, you need to let go of it. And so this now starts to you start to understand.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Well that's that's that's mirrored, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 54:36

It is briefly, in in the fact that you have to poo. Right. So but that's what I'm getting to. You know, people have and when you think about it, it makes sense why people say, Oh, he's full of shit, that one, or he needs to let go of that shit, or he's giving me shit. You know, that's a very odd expression if you think about it, until you understand we're tapping in to something. And you, in your life at that time, you were taking a lot of shit, holding on to a lot of shit, right? And so it starts to make sense. And this is why, in the protocols that I've written, you know, I explain all this, but we start people in the 3D reductionist world, diet, you know, what species-specific diet start to remove the inflammation at the 3D world. And as the organs improve, so the emotional ability improves. So they're able to start to grieve or let go of that shit that has come into them. And then we start to see profound change. So I just wanted to add that, because is it not true when you had piles first time, there was a lot of shit in your life?

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, a lot of a lot of being stuck, um, a lot of force, you know, a lot of holding on. Yep. And that was, I think that was just probably at the time I was um coming, you know. I was uh it's interest this is interesting because I had just come to the end of um that year I spent with Barbara Wren and some other guy was teaching us.

SPEAKER_00 56:07

Oh, he was brilliant that bloke. I can't I can't remember his name. Bit of an arse, but he was.

SPEAKER_01 56:11

Yeah, um some somebody airs, somebody I can't, yeah. Was it pubic airs?

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Uh I don't know. But he was a he was a dick, that's all I remember.

SPEAKER_01 56:23

But I I just come to the end of a year of detoxing, right? Yeah. So it was interesting that this pattern started to emerge. So if I look at it from a point of view of disease patterns, that pattern maybe be even held much deeper. And then it started to emerge more and became more of a physical thing. So I could see it, right? So the body gives you messages. It does. There's something wrong. Listen to it. So starting on that that um uh path of self-healing, so let's go into it a little bit. So the more I I worked on these patterns that were causation and started to clear them, there were things like anger, held there, grief, resentment, all these things that we hold on to. As soon as I uh acknowledge them, release them, I created space for my soul to come in more. Yeah. Now, when the soul comes in more, the driver of the vehicle sees more clearly and can drive you in the right direction. But naturally, it naturally wants to drive you in the right direction, right? You know, it's like this idea that um life has to be forced. I think that there needs to be a more balanced approach when you're moving in the right direction, it set starts to set up uh relationships, um meetings with people that you could say it by chance, but it's just harmonically you're starting to vibrate at the right level and you start to draw the right people and experiences into your life. Now I would I would like to just briefly be I know we haven't got that much time left, but the idea of somebody stuck in depression and a thought form, yeah, right? You have to find a way of just saying to yourself, right, I'm just gonna practically do something, like even if it's go for a walk, force yourself to do something to get you out of that state, right? So you have to, if you're gonna let go of something, what do you fill that space with? If you don't consciously fill it with something of a higher nature or better for you, you just fall back into the old pattern. Yeah, right. So let's say you have a toxic relationship, you you notice it as being a toxic relationship, you end the relationship, but if you don't understand why you were in that relationship, deal with why and move on from it, you'll attract the same person again. 100% you know, and you you know you could say to yourself, but what happens to the other person? If they if they see maybe the error of their ways, they might attract somebody of a higher nature. But if they don't, they'll just draw somebody in of the same vibration. So it's all vibration.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Well, it's all vibration with the right attitude, which I think should be gratitude, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Yeah, and life should be enjoyed. Life, yes, I mean, this if you really look at it, this planet is amazing.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

Well, it it well, whatever this romantic is, it certainly is. And actually, you've hit on something very important because the I love the half full, half empty. Like I'm known, and and of course it seems quite harsh, but it's always loving. I know poor me's can't heal. I've never seen one heal. And and I've said it before, especially if everything has been done to them is true and they've earned the poor me award, and it still they won't heal. You need to go, you need to switch into the right attitude of there's something to learn here. And I just want to just take that a little bit further, right? Because if when you had your piles, you had been already, you know, of that mindset, you know, the first thing you would have done would be because, you know, you know, Chinese medicine, you know, states that when something physical manifests that a medical doctor can find, there's at least been two years of fear in the picture. Now, fear is the pure word. It can be anxiety, worry, frustration. Anyway, and by the way, if you had gone to a Chinese doctor, you know what he would have said when examined you. Go on. Ah, soul. He would have straight away seen that it's a soul needing to come more into your into your body. But anyway, back to seriousness, right? You know, but the point is, you would have looked at it immediately differently. And if you'd had the half-glass full attitude, there's something to learn here. And that I like to see life as chapters, right? There's a this is the end of a new chapter, new, you know, wherever you wherever you are in life, you know, and and seemingly, you know, dark and not being able to get out. It all begins with a thought. And here's an oxymoron to chew on. The only constant is change.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

It is. And I I I'm I know, right? I've been in this work like yourself for like 25 years plus, right? So I've been self-healing 25 years plus. Okay? It never ends. As soon as you and especially if you move into spiritual development, inner work and all this stuff, there's always something because you move from personal into collective, you know, into more humanitarian things, right? I am convinced that I have worked through disease patterns that if I hadn't had this ability, they would have manifested in my life, right? But because I have the awareness and you can see it for what it is, you can work with it, then it doesn't manifest. And I think this happens with people throughout life. They they move in and out of disease patterns all the time. You know, sometimes people are naturally able to go, oh, I don't like this job or this relationship, I'm just gonna go off and do this. But they may have been people who've been who've had, you know, uh very positive input very early on to stand and you know say, I don't like this, I like this, I I emotionally feel like this. So they've had that training very early on. It's the people who can't get a grip of thoughts and emotions that have the difficulty, I think, and expression, you know. That's yeah, and it might also be that people who get really difficult lifetimes, possibly uh uh older souls, because the soul wants to keep learning, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:32

For sure. I'm I'm going to wind this up now.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

You always wind things up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

Yes, I do. You wind me up. Yes, I I I I probably do. But um, you know, this this is um there's much to expand upon this. And it's a big subject, huh? It's yes, and this is what this podcast, you know, is all about. And I I want to close I want to close with that within everything that we're discussing, you know, I want people, and I'm actually discussed this with a with a client, a new client that's got a very scary um, you know, label and is doing very well, and and I've discussed with them the importance of um possibly, and I believe probably, the most powerful medicine of all, which is laughter. And the reason why laughter and humor is so powerful, again, we're gonna end with a Chinese philosophical viewpoint, skew on things, is that the heart is the organ of love, um, and and um it's fed by the blood, which is the carrier of joy. And so when we find dis-ease, we normally find a lack of joy. And so, with that in mind to close, I'm going to leave you with my favorite Confucius saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

That is okay, let me get comfortable. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

All right, I'm ready. This is this is, you know, Confucius was a very funny chap, right? And it's on you know, off of what I've just said. So we'll close today's podcast with this. Confucius says, man with penis in biscuit tin is fucking crackers.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:18

Thank you for listening. We'll catch you next week. Bye.

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