The Doctors No More Podcast
The Doctors No More Podcast is hosted by Dr Jeremy Ayres and Dr Gareth Thomas, seasoned practitioners in natural medicine with over 50 years of combined clinical experience, exploring the deeper patterns of dis-ease that emerge when physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual health fall out of alignment. Each week, they move beyond symptom management and medical dogma to examine the unconventional, the ignored, and the uncomfortable — tracing how stress, trauma, belief systems, lifestyle, and meaning shape the body’s signals — in order to bring the true roots of health and healing back into the present, so people can reclaim clarity, resilience, and genuine personal empowerment.
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Your body is mostly water, your world is mostly vibration, and we think that’s the missing link in a lot of “health” advice. We start with the strange, almost-forgotten power of bells: how communities once lived inside regular, resonant tones, and why the mass removal of bells (and the broader shift in musical tuning from 432 Hz to 440 Hz) still sparks questions about harmony, stress, and control. From there we dive into cymatics, where sound visibly organizes matter into geometry, and we ask the obvious next question: if sound can shape sand and water, what is constant noise shaping in us?
We connect that to everyday life in a modern city: headphones, traffic, digital audio, artificial light, and nonstop EMF exposure. We talk about why “de-stressing” with your mind can still cost energy, while nature therapy, quiet, cold water, and simple stillness can reset you without effort. We also get into authenticity and intuition, the subtle ways people change themselves to fit in, and how that internal mismatch can become dis-ease long before it becomes a diagnosis.
Then we bring the whole topic down to earth through bees. Hive resonance, pheromones, colony behavior, honey as more than sugar, and why real honey quality matters all become a living example of nature’s intelligence. If you’ve ever felt instantly better outside, or wondered why certain sounds soothe you, this one will give you a new framework for sound healing, frequency, and mental health. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs more quiet, and leave us a review with one place where you feel truly calm.
Welcome Back And Why Bells
SPEAKER_02Well welcome back to Doctors No More. Sorry that we've been a little lax. It's mostly my fault. I've been very busy doing other things, so we're behind on recordings and getting episodes out, much to our three listeners, you know, um upset.
SPEAKER_00You know, well, we've lost one of them actually, Jeremy.
SPEAKER_02We don't live two again. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's my wife and your wife. Yeah. But so we're sorry to our wives that we haven't got one out, but we're back, we're back. And we're back. Yes, we're oh, misses. We're not only back, um, we're back with, I think, an episode I've wanted to do for a very long time. Um, and and um it it you know, it's about bells. What the whiskey? Well is it whiskey? It is whiskey, isn't it, Bells? It is. You might need whiskey just to listen to us some days, but certainly when you and I have um you know a retoxing episode, we certainly produce, I think, better content. But this is us sober and ready and fluffy-tailed to entertain and educate our wives, our entire audience. But anyway, no, seriously, it came. I was you know going through social media, um, as I anti-social media. Anti-social media. Although, look, it's still got its place, and I'm just I'm just very come on. I'm just joshing with you backwards and forwards, but it's got its place. And and I'm having having been a doc who was cancelled, and you know, you know, all my PayPal stripes, all these things were cancelled, and they tried to stop my ability to actually earn a living. Um, excuse me, um I I particularly appreciate that what I'm seeing on my social media streams, which is enormous amounts, and I don't think it's an echo chain because I've put this out to my members and other people, but enormous amounts of information against the convid um narrative, including and up to the most important part, I believe, which is do viruses actually exist, which they don't, but that's another conversation for another day. But nonetheless, I was scrolling through my fast book social media, and it came up about bells, this this wonderfully put together narrative of the history, which I believe to be correct because I've looked at it some years ago with AI sort of visuals, and it's very well done. And it was about how, first of all, you know, the making of bells. I've I've watched a documentary on the making of bells, and it is just unbelievably skill and art and craftsmanship and skills that no machine, I believe, can replicate and tuning. But anyway, these enormous bells were placed in many towns and villages all around the modern world. In fact, it it it it not that I want to talk about Tartaria today, and if you've never heard about Tartaria, I encourage you to go and Google it. Well, maybe not Google it, but certainly go and search for Tartaria videos because absolutely fascinating stuff to look at. But basically, very, very old buildings, buildings that we couldn't reproduce to this day, all had these magnificent bells in them. And they used to be wrung, of course, to call people to um uh worship, but also uh, you know, on celebrations of weddings and other things. And it turns out that the tone of the bells uh um had a very positive, harmonious, harmonic effect. And during World War, excuse me, I think it was World War I. It must have been, because it was around about the
Bells, War, And Tuning Changes
SPEAKER_02same time as the Flexner Report and all the um, it might have been World War II, I'll have to go and check. But with one of the wars, they put forth that they needed the alloys that bells were made from, tin and zinc, I think, to make it World War I. World War I it is, because it all then that's also when they because this is what I'm leading to, they you know, they changed how they tuned instruments around this time from four uh four forty to what is it, four three six four three two, right? Yeah, or or vice versa, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00It's four three two is the harmonic to four forty, they changed it to the new, the new they changed it to four forty, a to four forty, where it used to be, I think it's four three two. Yeah. So it's a um different frequency.
SPEAKER_02Right now, if if our two listeners have never heard this, and they probably have because we talk about this kind of stuff all the time, but we're gonna pretend they didn't, you know, these things which I want to discuss and then branch out into the harmonics of nature and um you know, essentially dis-ease, as far as I'm concerned, and I think Gareth, is you are in a in a disharmonious state, and the energy um and the ether, and if you want to biophysics, is the foundation of the physical, not the other way round, not chemistry and flesh. Excuse me. There was a more nefarious reason that they tore down all these bells and and horrifically melted them down never to be replaced again, and some significant harmonics um were lost. And so I wanted actually, I do have a joke about bells before we move forward. And that is, yes, my father, my my late father, who who I'm you know closer to since he's since he's gone to the other side, and and you and I understand that, right? Because I think he sees us for who we are now. But he used to have this joke, it's so stupid, but I love it to this day, right? And he used to he used to be dead pan serious, it would be in some kind of family dinner or new people coming round, and so very, very seriously he'd say, um however it would lead into it. He said, Oh, you know, uh a member of our family was very high up in the Vatican. And of course, it's people would go, really? You know, and they're thinking what, like, you know, you know, Pope or you know, one down, you know, but you know, whatever. And he's and he said, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, uh uh, my my great-great-great uncle used to ring the bell. And to this, to this day it cracks me up. So anyway, so I've got a connection to that. But nonetheless, you know, re-watching this amazing history about the harmonics and the importance of the bells and what it did, um, you know, relaunched me into cymatics, which is the study of sound affecting geometry. And if you don't know what cymatics is, again, it's spelt with a C, C Y. Go look it up. Because they have a plate that they put a tone through, uh a pitch, and they usually have water or sand. They usually do sand, but water's fascinating too. But they put sand on it, and as they go up in perfect pitch, you it forms you know perfect, geometric, ever more complex shapes. And of course, technical Tesla, the great philosophers and mathematicians, say that this realm, this universe they're in is is mathematic. It it is it is not chaotic, it is ordered, there's intelligence. So harmonic, I'm gonna hand it in harmonics ties into everything. And you being mostly water, um, you have the ability to hold this resonance that comes in and out from you, but into you, can affect you at every single stage. And so when you, you know, let's just jump forward away from the peace and um natural tones that we once enjoyed into a modern day city where people are walking around with all kinds of disharmonic noise and mostly with bloody earphones on their heads. In fact, I think if evolution is true, which I don't believe it is, in the next you know, million years, you won't need ear, but you know, you just have these, you know, grown-out ears that you just plug in or something, or or a wireless, right? But this it can you ever find anyone in a city that hasn't got a pair of fucking these big earphones on the other hand?
SPEAKER_00Do you know what that's made me think about there? It's like going further forward, that and you'll have different standards of ears. So, you know, like you get really high-tech small ears, yeah, because you know you can afford them maybe, and then you'd you'd have the equivalent of like one of those old gramophones stuck in.
SPEAKER_02You know, everyone would look like Princess Leah, wouldn't it? In that famous scene. Fine, yeah. I don't know. That's it's fine. Yeah, well, look, let's go for it, right? Not not that evolution um is correct, but that's another story for another day.
SPEAKER_00So what yeah, what is what is evolution, huh?
SPEAKER_02All right, well, well, but on on the subject of where we're going.
SPEAKER_00This ties into what we're talking about. All right, over to you, wise wise man. So you're talking about semantics, right? And the uh you what you see before your eyes is the sound is creating um a pattern, physical pattern, right? Yes. So let's let's take that concept that in relation to every sound or vibration, there is a physical manifestation. So every human being
Cymatics And Water-Based Bodies
SPEAKER_00has a physical manifestation, and behind all of that is a vibrational sound.
SPEAKER_02It's visible to the ear mostly.
SPEAKER_00No, so vibr no it depends. If we talk about vibration, right? So it it sound is is a certain um it fits within a vibrational spectrum. So you you've got um inaudible sound to us, audible sound, so you've got those sub sub sounds you can't hear, sound you can't hear, and supersonic sounds or very high-pitched sounds you can't. So we have a range of what we can take in audibly with our ears, right?
SPEAKER_02There's one more sound that it probably fits in that, but I think it's very important to bring in. And I might get the title wrong, but I think it's called supra sound. But essentially, when a lion roars, I'm told, there's this special sound in it that is that that creates fear. Right.
SPEAKER_00And it's meant supra sound or something. It is so you're you're probably talking about sounds that then have an emotion attached to it.
SPEAKER_02Correct. And it's not just like, oh, that's a line is gonna eat me. It it's actually naturally wired in to create fear.
SPEAKER_00You you can you know that from when you do a consultation. When somebody speaks to you, you can hear it in their voice.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so it's called uh but Bryce is Bryce's next door listening to me, uh, and he's typed on WhatsApp because he's the one who shared with me. It's infrasound.
SPEAKER_00Infra price so we've got see, we've actually got three we've got we've got no he he's part of he's part of the production team now.
SPEAKER_02Well, he is, but I don't know. See, now it's out there, he's gonna expect to be paid now. Right?
SPEAKER_00God anyway, sorry I interrupted you, but it's infrasound, right? Yeah, so you when you listen to someone, you can tell in their voice. Yeah so you hear so you hear one thing but you feel a different vibration coming from them. So your ears take in they they translate the vibrations, the vibrations of uh of the air that's moving and the molecules of the air, right? Now you're taking in a small bit of that, but the the actual the whole sound is hitting you, not just your ears, but your energy field. So you talk about bells, right? And um things that make specific tones, that is not just hitting your ears, but it's hitting your whole energy, and it's powerful in healing, in energy healing, sound is one of the most powerful forms, if not the most powerful form of healing. And the reason why is that if you if you have sound along with intent and light or spiritual energy, it shapes and focuses down to the very physical nature of someone, right?
SPEAKER_02Well, that actually I want to jump there because apart from that, I've just had a frickin' invoice from Bryce for 100 quid. I told you, see, he's he's from the north, he's not gonna miss an opportunity. No, that's I think that's quite reasonable.
SPEAKER_00It's just a bloody invoice, anyway. He's obviously working with you, you you though, so you've got to pay him for that now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, he'll get he, you know. Anyway, but you I think it's an important part to interrupt, and then and what the the price is right. Oh my god, you know, you can't write this stuff. Anyway, let me get back to trying to be you know an informative podcast at education. That's a good price. Yeah, that's a good price, that's a good price. Um, could you lower the price? Anyway, so um back to it, right? So you talked about you know the the sound carrying, but you know, motha mass uh mass sorry, Masudamoto's work. It's very important. Yeah, no. He showed that this, you know, it's not just the words carry a vibration and effect, which he showed on the water and on the fermented rice. One went moldy when it was insulted, and the other one that was complimented was perfect. But, you know, that there was this Indian guru, I think he turned out to be part of a colon, as usual, sex stuff. But he talked about the word fuck and how many uses that word has. And depending on what tone is behind it, it can be incredibly insulting, destructive, and frightening and aggressive, or it can make a joke way funnier, or something, you know, it could be a very descriptive word and carry so the energy because you mentioned intent, I didn't want to go past that. Yeah, it's intent, yeah. But and and and I maintain, and I did a lecture in I tell this many times, but I did a lecture um at this carnival conference, you know, I was very nervous about this. First time I sort of stood in front of adults for a long time and talked, you know, face to face. Um, but I said, you know, basically you're probably all liars here. And and they kind of looked at me and I said, let me let me let me share with you that the the basis of my lecture was that we're not being authentic. And if you're not authentic, you're in dis-ease, manifested or not. And I talked about the corporate world. And in the corporate world, and and then they started to nod, you know, no one's being authentic. Maybe the absolute boss who's a bastard is, you know, because he can be, but but but no one is, and it's like, you know, oh, you know, Gareth, Gareth says to me, Oh, have you got that recording done and put in the uh you know the box for it? Like, oh yeah, yeah, it's nearly done, no worries. And you go, okay, great, thanks very much. But if it was like that movie with Jim Carrey, liar liar, you know, where he a spell comes over and he can only tell the truth, I'd be like, Oh, for fuck's sake, Gareth, stop asking me. And you'd be like, I knew we hadn't done, I knew we hadn't done it, twat. Right. So in the corporate world, if everybody had to tell the truth, right, and be honest, or react authentically. Right now, but this is a serious point, right? You we all know we are um controlling and putting forth a persona that is not authentic. Now, take that with what you're saying, so that all of that is harmonics and energy. You can feel it. You know, anyone listening now, all right. The three people listening now, they know they've been in situations professionally where everyone's smiling and being helpful, but you can feel that it's bullshit.
Authenticity, Intuition, And Dis-Ease
SPEAKER_02And that's really important because one of the key things I've seen make people very ill, and they're normally the nice people, is the pressures and the um uh environment of which they've placed themselves in, usually professionally and relationship, where they haven't felt they could be authentic.
SPEAKER_00Which is basically they've placed themselves in a vibrational field that's not resonant with who they are. Yes, and it's literally drained them and disrupted disrupted them. So my see, I I think that um most people have if not all have an intuitive skill that they they're taught to let go of and not trust from a from an early age, you know. Your intuition says, Oh, that's my original thought about this, and then you don't trust it because you're taught not to trust it. And then when it all goes wrong, oh fuck, I knew I I knew that was gonna happen. I thought that right at the very beginning. Right. Now that's that's that's a vibration. What you what you're doing is you're becoming aware of your environment in an intuitive way, which is a much higher frequency than cognitive thought, right? Yep. So cognitive thought a lot of the times is driven, you know, and controlled very much by patterns of fear, yeah, right? Or things which are transferred from another person to your knowledge that you haven't really worked through, you've just you're just repeating a pattern.
SPEAKER_02Right, but you say patterns of you say patterns of fear, sorry to interrupt, but you say patterns of fear, not everybody will immediately they'll they'll they'll think to extremes. But I watched something this morning that it said three-quarters of people will change their authentic self just to fit in, even though it's it's negative to them. That's the patterns of fear you're talking about. It's subtle, systemic, you know, it's a learned, it's a learned thing.
SPEAKER_00Right. It's a learned thing from very early, you know. Don't don't be angry, don't question, don't do this, don't do that. And I think that we we, you know, the world becomes so controlled that um rather than trust in something that's outside the realm of normal thought, right? Or when I say normal, I mean outside the realm of more common thought that people live their lives by every single day, a day out, right? Yeah, it's the intuitive side of things which puts you into touch with something that has a truer vibration to it, right? But it's like being able to learn to retrust that vibration and to trust it. You know, sometimes your intuition can be off, right? It can be, but it's like giving that space for what was that initial feeling or thought I got from that person, and when that happens, you're not you're not thinking about it in here, you're feeling it energetically. Yeah, you're picking up energetically on the environment around you, the the person that you're next to, or the group that you're with, and your intuition is telling you something. Now, your intuition. Might be influenced by how you've been conditioned. Right? But I think that we're we're slowly moving into a place where people are becoming more intuitive. And this is why people are seeing through quite a lot of things.
SPEAKER_02There's certainly a great awakening happening.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So they're they're they're they're developing higher intelligence. Yeah. There's a higher intelligence. And when we talk about vibration and bringing it back to sound, as I was saying earlier, sound is a is a is only part of the whole spectrum of vibration from you know physical vibration. I mean, my thoughts are the physical world is not solid, and science has proved that, right? So it's just vibrating on a certain frequency that we call solid, but actually has space in it.
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SPEAKER_02Well, so for for the for the audience, you know, if they don't know, you know, the quantum physics is, you know, although we appear solid and we can feel things, and you can't put your hand through a wall without you know resistance, actually, at a physical level, you know, you could even call it at the matrix level, is 99.99% space. Yeah. With energy resonating at a different frequency. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_00Vibration, we're vibrational beings. Exactly. Beings of vibration, being of light, whatever you want to call it, right? And it's not just this, it's what we're attached to. Now, sound is a very small part of that, audible sound. Um, but then you've got as you go up from vibration from sound, you get you start to get into light, visible spectrum, and then non-visible spectrum. And then you you know, then you start. This this is this is my feeling that's why why sound is so powerful that it's it's almost like it's a perfect bridge between higher vibrations and the
Sound Healing, Intent, And Stillness
SPEAKER_00physical world. And when you have with intent, you use sound. Let's say uh I I use it in a healing session, yeah, and you're channeling healing energy, and your intent is the direct sound to shape energy, it's incredibly powerful. I mean, you you see most spiritual um disciplines have sound is very important, mantras, yeah, yeah, choral music, yeah. Choral music, mantras, um, sort of different types of bells, singing bowls. It's very, very powerful.
SPEAKER_02So before you go in, before you go into your woo-woo Buddha spiritual light bridge nonsense, uh Jess, of course, I want to I want to remain in the sound um spectrum because this, you know, you know, in this great awakening, this astrological time of more light, which is always um communicated as we will get to see more, which we are. We're seeing more and we can, you know, change more and positively. So, you know, there is this, you know, famous them or they. They did this, they did that. And I'm not going to discuss who they are or aren't, but the evidence remains that, you know, um, in you know, the first world war, some very significant things were done, you know, to affect harmonics. So the bell, the the bell, you know, the bells removed, but also um the change of pitch, um the retuning from a harmonic to a disharmonic. Now, this is not insignificant because back then it was still analogue. So the the uh sound waves that were broadcast or mostly listened to string or wind instruments, if you can say wind instruments without going into a Benny Hill sketch of some sort, but you know, um, were on a sine wave. It was still analog, it was natural, even if it was not tuned correctly. So it was a it was a subtle um attack at the harmonics to disrupt it. Now, as we've moved into digital, the digital era, and you and I can remember analog, you know, your sons, my sons, have only known digital. Now, digital is wonderful in the sense that you and I can be communicating now over the internet and recording this via digital. But the reality is the and let's forget the light that's coming at me uh from the screen that is flickering and that is actually lots of pixels. It's not Gareth, even though it looks like Gareth. Um, but the sound that is coming at us and that our listeners um are listening at is square, it is an unnatural sound wave. It is not of this realm, it is man-made, and it is extremely challenging to water and to the human body. Now, it is when it comes from you, God. Well, you know what? Um I'm here to shake you up a little bit. But anyway, so now take that and amplify the volume and or amplify the different uh unnatural tones and harmonics that most people are living in. Point being, and I'm gonna get to a story once I hand it back to you, we're almost most people, at least those that live in cities or towns, are almost never in quiet, harmonious, quiet. They're almost always being disrupted. And the Wi-Fi, by the way, the Wi-Fi is is um uh resonating or vibrating at I forget how much stupid hurts, but that creates a sound, but it disrupts the water in your body. This is why you must turn your Wi-Fi off at night. Yeah, because you are literally exciting the cell, vibrating the water and the mitochondria, which are like the antennas for this, and it never knows rest. It never knows disquiet uh quiet, sorry, it never knows harmonic peace. This is why, and I'm gonna tell a story in a minute, why getting out in nature and why I say get your ass outside, but getting out, you've just been to Wales, you know, probably fighting with the weaver fish again, and you know, but but no doubt there was a weaverfish uh was there?
SPEAKER_00There was a weaverfish event. It wasn't me, it was my silent. Fortunately, we had some weavermectin with us, so did you? So very weaver see them all.
SPEAKER_02We've got to get that domain, weavermectin.com. But anyway, right, but you get it, right? I mean, and and actually I was talking to a chap the other day who I may help um a re a young relative of his, um, a young, a young, a young lad that that was was born from a meth, what they call a meth baby. And I said straight away, I bet when you put him in water, he's
Analog Versus Digital Sound Stress
SPEAKER_02a different kid. And he is, right? Because the harmonics are changing, you know. Um, but anyway, you know, back to you on what I've said, and it's not that I don't want to go into the higher realms of the vibratory and frequency fields, and and that you are the specialist in, but in this realm, and you work in the city, right? You're probably putting a lot of energy into trying to stop that resonance coming in.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I might have shared the story before, but uh talking about working in the city. I remember once I I turned up sort of early for work. I thought, I'll go and have a coffee and and watch the world go by. And I lost people watching. Yeah, I sat there and people were going past, streaming past, rushing to work. And uh I sat I sat there and I was like, look at all these fools running, you know, yeah, rushing to work. I'm so I'm so not like that. I'm you know, and then I did think about I'd finished my coffee, right? And then walk to work, and I realized halfway down the street I was rushing exactly the same. And that says to me that when you when you go into realms like that, you're just in a sea of energy, you're in a sea of thought, emotion, electromagnetic radiation, sound, light, and it's all hitting you, right? Yeah, and it um it's stressful on the body, right? Extremely stressful on the body, right? So you say I just went away. Yeah, I went away, and I was away from all of that. And what I noticed was that you can do as much stress release stuff. Look, I'm a stress therapist, right? I know how to do stress therapy stuff to you know get get to thought.
SPEAKER_02So when you give your invoice, that's stressful.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, you're very good, you're very, very good.
SPEAKER_00And I so I know how to do that cognitively, yeah. But what happens when you go into something like nature, you don't have to use mental energy for it. Yeah, using mental energy to de-stress yourself has some stress on your body. Because it's do you know what I mean? Oh, you're absolutely right, right? Whereas if you just go into nature, you just sit in it and you allow it in, you that's just part of you. You become your frequency changes into what it should be to a certain degree. Even um I remember when I went in the sea as well, the sea was slightly cold, right? But it makes you it it takes you away from your your head into your body. And then your body feel you feel connected to your body, and your b if you're in nature, your body's connected very much to the natural world, so you start to feel normal again, human, but you know, which we are common. We live in a sea of energy constantly, and you know, the majority of it is is uh if I look at it from a subtle point of view, it's traumatic to the energy field around us. Yeah, right, and then if you keep traumatizing the energy field around you, it manifests, you know what I'm saying? Like sound manifests, vibration, the sounds and vibrations around us manifest if they're negative too. So it doesn't it's it adds to disease. Well, well, you say adds to disease, you know.
SPEAKER_02I the the reason I wanted to get into this with you is you know, and we've we've discussed this in different ways on different episodes, but um we know you and I know so we sometimes we know people personally that have healed themselves from every kind of
EMFs, Wi-Fi At Night, Nature
SPEAKER_02diet and every kind of modality, right? And conversely, um, you know, people you know people have gotten sick from every kind of um modality and diet and so on and so forth. So what's the common thing? And so I like to look at longevity and the people um, and there's not one region. I mean, I know they claim the blue zones and things like that, right? But you know, I've met um, you know, my auntie that I always talk about, a chain smoking, you know, free with her tongue, which was rarely positive, you know, but she was comfortable in her skin and she was well into her 90s, and I've met plenty of centenarians on my travels around the world. And I can assure you, the common theme is they uh had good relationships. They were outside a lot of their life, they they they were comfortable in their skin, and the good relationships, I think, is is is very, very um important. And so what I'm proposing is I think, and I think you know, um Florence Nightingale noted this in her observations of treating soldiers, that if the spirit was broken, the flesh will not heal. And so she went to great lengths to create a calm, quiet nature, get them outside, a harmonic, very deliberately, nature is where she wanted the hospitals where they were to recuperate, so that they were uh bathed. I think bathed is the right word, not just in light. We talk about Jack Cruz and sunlight and EMS. Yeah, it's relevant natural light and the signaling, but the sound, right? If you put people in sunlight on a beach and there's some techno you know in the back there, and then some you know foreign language and someone arguing over there and some loud kids screaming, it ain't healing, it's the peace and quiet that one craves.
SPEAKER_00Do you agree? That's very interesting because um you talk about peace. Whenever I teach uh energy healing and you do a session of energy healing, there's a point where the room goes completely still. Right? So the vibration, you if you're sensitive to that, the the energy in the room changes and it drops into this stillness that it's not audible, you just feel it, it's a stillness, and that's when the healing really goes in. There's a moment in energy healing when you when you drop into a stillness, that's when more most of the healing energy is being transferred and going into that person to create change.
SPEAKER_02That's well, that does not surprise me. And as you know, um I as I grow older, um can't say wiser, but older, the birds morning bird song and evening birds. We we I sent you pictures. We were in this national park um having a barbecue. They they have barbecues set up here, charcoal barbecue. So flame, you know, me, nature, sunlight, water, and oh my god, and earth. And I was just I was just zenned out. Everyone was just zenned out, you know, it's beautiful. But um, excuse me. Um forgotten what I was gonna say now. Oh, that's right, yes. The the bird song, right? So I got I was back at that barbecue, that's why I was just like, oh, it was fantastic. The bird song, and I've come to realize that why the birds sing louder in the morning. I've uh it's been explained to me that that harmonic helps open up the flowers, ready for the insects and them to gain the nectar, and that makes a lot of sense to me, right? Because it quietens down after a certain time. Um, but that harmonics I find that bird song incredibly healing, soothing, nurturing, you know, all the positive stuff. And and I wanted to take that into bees. You you now being uh what's the correct word? Other than math. But I thought it was like a I know it's not Averis, isn't there? Ape, AP, apist Apis. Oh god, that sounds terrible. Garrison Apis. Anyway, but a beekeeper. We'll keep a beekeeper, right? But I came across two things. One thing I already knew, right? That bees, you know, bees can't fly, but no one bothered to tell them. Aerodynamically, bees can't fly. That's the crap. Yeah, especially bumblebees. Yeah, exactly. Bumblebees, aerodynamically, they cannot fly according to aerodynamics, but no one bothered to tell them, right? Now, apparently, and I know it's debunked on the internet, but I don't I don't buy it, that they're very hollow. When you find a dead bee, they're like hollow. Yeah, their wings at all. Exactly. Their their um wings do not flap like birds up and down. It it's more like a rotation. Yeah, and yes, I've I've I've also looked at the they're creating a vortex and a low pressure above the wing, and so yeah, that's possible. But I actually think um the chap that studied it, he said they actually put their wings at a certain resonance and their body arch, and the same thing happens in our head when we sing, and and and actually I'm diverging here, but the Mari, their language is totally different from English. Ours is very nasal. The Mari language, the whole head resonates with the sounds they use. But anyway, back to the B. The whole cavity resonates and creates levitation. Now, if that's not fascinating enough, and you would have had experience of this now, I understand that the hive has a very organized um resonance uh from them flapping their wings. Uh uh and it's uh even up to a perfect C, I understand, but it does differentiate depending when they want
Longevity, Relationships, Quiet Recovery
SPEAKER_02different things to happen. So they're actually communicating and creating an environment perfect for different um uh, I don't know, uh work or or or whatever it is that's going on in a beehive, right? But they are actually all vibrating or making that resonance, something like 250 hertz or whatever it is, I can't remember the exact, but it is a deliberate harmonic tone to achieve something. And you've been in that presence, and I've seen how you light up when you talk about your bees, right? So I wanted to ask you, and I've got another question about bees later, but I wanted to ask you when you're specifically around the hive and you must hear it or feel it, what what what's your take on that and what I've read and heard? Because what I'm getting to is nature, nature is resonant, we're not, that's my point.
SPEAKER_00I've been, you know, this is a short space of time I've been involved since you know April really. I've been interested in them for a number of years, but only taken that step. But all I can say is that um uh whenever I go into the hive, this there's two two things really happen. One is I I recognize when they're vibrationally happy, and when they vibrationally they just feel it, it feels right, yeah. It's a it's a resonance. Sometimes I go in and I go I go, oh, it just hits you. This is and they know you're there, do you think? Oh yeah, yeah. So that's sort of allowing most people. Uh misunderstand, they think the bees are gonna constantly attack you, right? Most of the time, unless it's a really uh more aggressive uh strain of bees, most strains don't really get that bother. There might be one or two that do. It depends. Let's say the their queen has left the hive, they tend to be more aggressive, more defensive because they're trying to make a new queen, right? If they if they're at the end of season when the honey is coming, you know, flow is coming to the end, they want to protect it. So it's just nature. But most of the time when when I go in, it hits you how peaceful it is and how harmonious it all is, and how you've got all these individual units of bee, right? But it's functioning like one organism, yeah, one intelligence. And this is the problem sometimes. We we as humans we uh compartmentalize things constantly. We go, oh, there's the honeycomb, there's the honey, there's the pollen, there's the worker bee, there's the drone, there's the queen, and it you separate everything, whereas they they're not behaving like that, they have one thing, and they all have a resonance to to do certain jobs within that hive, and they naturally are doing it. I'm not sure they don't have a brain as you know, like our size, but do is the brain the center of your intelligence? My thoughts is no, it's not, it's just a try, you know, something that transfers what you are energetically into this realm to function, right? So bees where you can go in, uh, some days it feels okay, other days it doesn't feel right, and you think, well, why is that? Right? So there's a there's definitely an intelligence, a vibration that changes from you know day to day, from whether there's you know whether there's forage or whether there's not forage. Or I mean I I started reading quite an interesting book by um Rudolf Steiner on on beekeeping. And his take on some of the I I mean, don't I don't agree with all of it, but that's that's that's okay. Take from it what you want, what resonates, and leave the rest.
SPEAKER_02Are you allowed to disagree with Steiner? He's sort of got this, you know, untouchable reputation.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, I th I don't think I think uh he would probably say himself, look, take from it what you want. Yeah, what doesn't resonate, don't take it on because it might not be appropriate for your path. And if you find something that's a slightly you know different take on this that's closer to what's resonant for other people, then you have to follow your own path, right? Yes, but he he he said something I liked is um the different bees within a hive, so say the worker bees are they their cycle from egg to hatching is 21 days, which is uh the time it takes for the sun to completely rotate. So they are totally locked into the sun, their consciousness is totally locked into the sun. And I'd agree with him also that he believes
Birdsong And Natural Harmonics
SPEAKER_00that bees are highly tuned into the vibration of love. Now that would make sense to me because if you look at the honeycomb, it's hexagonal and talking about famous geometric shape, right? Yeah, the six-pointed star, which is involved in um going away from any religion. Uh if you take a six-pointed star geometrically, you find it very much in minerals and crystals that strongly relate to the heart center or the crown center, right? Which are the the two main spiritual centers that human beings are trying to evolve on this plane the heart, love, and the higher, higher will or higher connection to God or light, or whatever you want to call it, right? So their hexagonal shape in the hive is a manifestation of what I would call a love vibration, you know, and you feel it. I mean, honey's beautiful, huh? It's such a I mean, it's it's just like you said to me, it's like liquid gold.
SPEAKER_02Well, well, you know what? You know, I'm glad you we've got to honey.
SPEAKER_00And by the way, it has a frequency, because I I was away in Wales, I bought some local Welsh honey to have a taste test and uh how it made me feel, and it's different.
SPEAKER_02Of course, it's different. Um, and I've just realized that you might be the first person I've ever met that has truly become a human being. Because that's what you're doing, right? You're being being human, being get it? Um being, human, yeah, be being. You're being, you're a beekeeper, you're being okay. Forget it. It sounded funny in my head and clever. But anyway, um, honey.
SPEAKER_00You know, this is where I'm more don't don't be that close with me.
SPEAKER_02All right, sweetie. Anyway, um, honey is um a fascinating subject, but but and I tell you why it's so fascinating. Because it sticks, and I, you know, I I love the gray areas of um so-called intellect. You know, there's a lot of people that want to be black and white, you know, carnivore, we're carnivore, no, we're vegan, no, we're fruitarian, right? I love the gray. I love the grayos in all subjects, not just that I picked diet there, but all things, right? And honey sticks straight in the middle of there because if you speak to a carnivore, honey is just sugar and insulin raising, and you know, you know, and then they start to use vegan type descriptions, which are always
Bees, Hive Resonance, One Organism
SPEAKER_02disgusting about what honey really is, and it's just almost like to traumatize you to not have it, right? And yet, honey was found in the you know, the Egyptian pyramids and you know, 2000 sacred, yeah, right. And and honey, if you don't know, you probably know. Um, there is healing grade honey. If you've got a really deep, bad wound, right? There's there's um medical, so-called medical grade honey. Now, I don't know what defines it as medical grade, um, and perhaps you can tell me, but medical grade honey, there is probably nothing that matches it. There might be something equal to it that I know of for deep, horrid wounds. You apply medical grade honey, it's miraculous how it can start to help heal really troublesome, deep, you know, festering wounds. And so when honey has been revered, it is, you know, the the natives will, if they come across a hive, they'll go for it. Bears will go for it. There is something about honey that is magical, sacred, whatever words you want to use, that cannot be just dismissed and equally um approved by um 3D biochemical nutritional science. Yes?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, it's the energy behind it. It's it's you know, if you what is honey? It's uh you know, bees go out, they collect nectar, they take it in, they change it into a different type of sugar, and they place it in a in a cell that's hexagonal shaped. It's got all the other factors in there that um are very good for your immune system. Once they fill it up, they're fanning it with their wings to reduce the sugar content, and then once it's right, they know it's right, they tap it over. I mean, if you think about the intelligence and the energy that goes into all of that, it's mind-blowing. Well, that is astounding. I didn't know that part, right? So it's not just oh, they shove a load of sugar. That they go out, they find the right forage, they they they take in that nectar, which is from flowers. That that nectar is probably like uh manifested sunlight in some way, and then they take that. It's all connected to sunlight, magic, and they they they put it in cells, fan it, and get it to the right place. So all the effort and the and the the consciousness behind all of that is in a sm package of of honey. That's why it's so uh it's upsetting when you you have all the adulterated honey that's in shops. You go into a shop and it's mostly you know um sugar syrup's been added to it. Yeah, it's not honey, right? For sure.
SPEAKER_02Can I ask you a question? Yeah, and you may not have the answer, but all that work that these bees go to, and you go and take some of it. Yeah. How does that relationship work? Is it are the bees like, oh, you bitch?
SPEAKER_00No, I th I think that's what what what I tend to do is I do two things. I leave some. So I leave I leave some for them and I take some for myself. And I thank them, right, in my own way. Um, but I I see it, and this is probably where you're talking about the um the relationship between bees and humans is is is ancient. Yes. And I think it's meant to be. Sorry for the pun. No, it's it's it's I don't I don't think it's happened, you know, by chance. I think it's an evolutionary thing that's meant to be, because they don't. I mean, if you if you talk to it, I I was talking to some other beekeepers today, you know, and um we were talking about how it's ne we're talking about the season and how challenging sometimes it is, and it never you can never predict how it's gonna be, right? And something happens, you have to try and um adjust to it. So sometimes the bees get into difficulty living in the conditions that we create for them, and then we have to try and um change that or help them out in some way, right? Now, some would argue, well, don't help them at all, just let them go off, and so that might be the case, but all the beekeepers in you know, in in say in just in Britain, are there helping colonies to stay alive and helping to pollinate something, you know? Whereas if you just let let them be wild, it wouldn't there wouldn't be as many bees, I don't think.
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, where I live um uh at the moment, um in these great plains where they grow enormous amounts of crops, they have all put deliberately beehives um uh uh in the fields to to create hives for the pollination. And and I think people forget the importance of bees. If bees died out, and certainly the pesticides were doing it, but also the EMFs because they they they they put these trackers, how the hell you put a tracker on a bee, but they put a tracker on a bee, right? And it has a very specific flight path, and it always knows how to get back. And the EMFs and Wi-Fi's were throwing off, so they get lost, and that's part they get lost, and that was part of them dying off, hence why shungite bees, and and I would maybe encourage you to look up shungite bees and think about putting some shungite powder at the entrance and it gets on their belly, and they would then immediately be able to navigate again as Shungite protects them from these EMF distortions. But anyway, um, you know, if the bees died out, humanity would die out because nothing would get pollinated. Yeah, major, major part of the planet. Yeah, and and really, if you if because I want to start to bring today's conversation
Honey, Energy, And Real Quality
SPEAKER_02to an end, if you think that's all part of the resonant and harmonics of a natural life, being in you know, harmony with nature. We are nature, although there's a conversation of where do we really come from, but we are and and and again, we're not part of nature because we've been educated stupid and to behave stupid. And I anyone listening, um, you know, I encourage you to continually seek nature and to continually consider how can I change my life to be in a quieter, more harmonic, natural place, you know. Uh uh, because you might be listening in a city in uh or in a very industrialized place. And as soon as you get out into the countryside, and I will only live in the countryside now, it's a totally different experience. You know, life is is is better for sure out here in the sticks.
SPEAKER_00You you're kind of knocking out I I'm in I mean, is nature around is trees, is yeah, it's you know, waterways, and it's pretty um compared to where I was before, it's pretty rural, you know. Doesn't take long to get out into a a part of nature. I can walk there, you know. Um and I think that the one of the important things is that is most of your time is spent, you know, or some a lot of your time is spent sleeping, right? Yeah. If you're sleeping in a sea of EMF stores, yeah, you know, you might think you're getting sleep, but it's a quality sleep, you know. I mean, just briefly as well, with with regards to talking to the other beekeepers and they're saying how you know complex it can be sometimes. And the guy just turns around and says, Yeah, but that's why we love it, isn't it? You know, and I just I thought it was so lovely the way he said it. I could feel it, it was genuine. It wasn't like uh an intellectual thing that he thought it just that's why we love it, isn't it? Yeah, and I thought, yeah, it is, you know, it's that wonder, it re restores like a wonder that you lose. Yeah, maybe when you're a child, you lose it, you it's pushed out of you that wonder of life, you know.
SPEAKER_02Well, uh, you know, I've uh I got one quick story, which I've probably told before, and then you know, uh I'm interested to hear your comments before I have a closing question for you. Okay. So, you know, this subject is meant to bring into people's consciousness that, particularly if they're listening and they're not well or have a labeled diagnosis, that I believe harmonics is foundational, fundamental, critical to change, to allow your water and your structure to start to behave naturally and give you the best chance to cleanse and heal and rebuild, irrespective of what diet or regime or protocol you think you're on. Right. And I've seen plenty of people, you know, on carnivore who it who who I don't deny is the um probably the best subtraction diet for healing physical bodies. But I've seen plenty of carnivores not heal because of things we're discussing today. Anyway, um I was fortunate enough to have a conversation with an Australian psychologist, an ex-professional cricketer, I believe, a very nice chap, very humble chap. And um he was working with
Bees, Humans, Pollination, EMF Navigation
SPEAKER_02the Aborigines out there. Now, whether you know or not, the Aborigines and the Mahdi, these uh these cultures that have sort of been forced into Western society in a very, very quick time. So they haven't really evolved well with it. There's the big alcohol and drug problems. Um and it's you know, I'm not being derogatory, it's just a fact. So the Aboriginals have a particular problem with alcohol and mental illness. So this huge mental illness. And so the psychologist went and talked with the elders and they decided uh three things. I don't think I can remember the third thing, but they decided three things. Number one, and I mean proper mental illness. These people believe they're Jesus or you know, or were, you know, were someone probably believing themselves Jesus is not so bad, but absolutely proper mental, right? And so they decided three things. Number one, they cannot be given a diagnosis label in what they call the fake world because they consider Western world fake and the natural world that this is the proper elders out there in the in the woodwhoops, right? So number one, do not give them a label because immediately they got a label, they go, I am or I have, right? Uh uh number two, I think it was, you know, to come out of what they call the fake world and spend time back in the natural world. But the number three thing is that they must all come on a three-day walkabout with the elders and barefoot. And so they'd go on a three-day walkabout, you know, into the bush, into the whoop-whoops, barefoot. And by the third day, the psychologist was telling me, you know, severely mentally ill people were not cured by any sense, but they were able to sit and start talking like human beings again, and start expressing the trauma or worries or things that, you know, and it was he said it was extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary. And and of course, in the context of today's conversation, one has to argue that the harmonics, the noise reduction, and the and and conversely the harmonics that were starting to bathe them, the resonance of the earth through the feet and so on, must have had a profound effect upon them. Any comments before I get to a very important question?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um well look, I mean, my my my take on thoughts and emotions, which is strongly centered around, you know, mental health stuff. And I I always think, you know, I when I see that label, oh, this is a mental health um service, or if you you have to understand the mind from a much more expanded place. The mind is not just something that sits in your brain, yeah, in your head, the mind is all around you, right? Your mind is around you and in it it sort of is um connected to everything. So your your mind is not just in your head, yeah, right. So it would make sense that if you take yourself away from what you think is, you know the manifestation of your mind, the Western world, and you move yourself away from that and you connect
Walkabout, Mental Health, Expanded Mind
SPEAKER_00yourself to what uh intrinsically the mind is naturally. I mean, all that we've made from the physical real physical realm is an interpretation of what we think and feel. The actual reality of the mind can be seen in nature, it's just natural, it just happens, it's connected to much more, you know, universal energies, it's not locked into this human consciousness. And if I this is this is one of the reasons why you know Edward Bach was a um a genius. He realized that flowers, you know, that they shape how we think and feel. Yeah, so they shape how our thoughts and our feelings, and actually that's probably where we evolved our thoughts and feelings from. So if you think about the realms, there's a there's a mineral realm, which is the first kingdom on this planet, then there's the plant realm and flowers, which evolved for out of the mineral kingdom, and then the animals evolved out of the plant kingdom, and then we evolved out of the animal kingdom, right? Maybe we had some interference, or maybe we had some input from you know higher beings along the way, so that that evolution jumped in a certain direction, or we maybe we're from a different um star, maybe we're from a different place in the universe. But we're here on this realm that has certain physical natural laws, and the that each kingdom contains patterns of thought, whether you call it divine thought or natural thought, and once you immerse yourself in that, you start to feel part of it all again. So it would make sense. And if you look at you know the Aboriginal people, they they see that their ideas that dream time is more real than the physical, right? So they do everything through dream time. Is this is this action correct as it happened in dream time first, or is it right in dream time, which is the non-physical realm, which is where you know your thoughts and your emotions sit, not in your head, that's your processor. But you know, you say that to a conventional person, they think you're mad. You can't really understand mental health unless you understand what the mind is.
SPEAKER_02I I think we should continue this conversation and go into mental health on the next one, amongst other things, because I was gonna immediately go and I it's time to round this episode up. And and the bell is told. The bell has told, but I I do have a very important question to ask you to close this show up, and I think it's um appropriate for this show, and that is um, what's so good and wonderful about bloody bees' knees? Because everything that's absolutely wonderful, you go, Oh, that's the bee's knees. So you've seen the bees' knees. This is your opportunity now to share what is so bloody wonderful about bees' knees.
SPEAKER_00Well, I tell you what it is, right? If you if you if you have a chance to watch bees very closely, right? And the knees, they have a specific movement, especially when when they're trying to release pheromones, right? So the pheromones make everything really happy, so they they push themselves up and the knees straighten out. So and when you look at them, it's uh it's just fascinating. I'm I'm sure it probably comes from that, you know.
SPEAKER_02So now we now now we know the bee's knees produce a pheromone and make you happy.
SPEAKER_00No, that's let's fast forward 50 years, right? Do you know where the bee's knees comes from? Okay, I'll have to ask, I'll ask them. Yeah, I'll ask them. You see, it's it's a great mystery, but there's something about bee's knees. There is, isn't there?
SPEAKER_02In China, they'll be grinding them up and selling them as a herb at some market, you know. Yeah, but you know, there is there's I'm telling you, yeah, you're on it now, all right. We need to know what's so special. We need to know the bee's knees.
SPEAKER_01And on that closing giggle,
What Makes The Bee’s Knees
SPEAKER_01we hope you have enjoyed this episode of the Doctors No More podcast. Thank you for listening. Bye.
