The Doctors No More Podcast
The Doctors No More Podcast is hosted by Dr Jeremy Ayres and Dr Gareth Thomas, seasoned practitioners in natural medicine with over 50 years of combined clinical experience, exploring the deeper patterns of dis-ease that emerge when physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual health fall out of alignment. Each week, they move beyond symptom management and medical dogma to examine the unconventional, the ignored, and the uncomfortable — tracing how stress, trauma, belief systems, lifestyle, and meaning shape the body’s signals — in order to bring the true roots of health and healing back into the present, so people can reclaim clarity, resilience, and genuine personal empowerment.
The Doctors No More Podcast
Your Chakras Are Balanced Until Tesco Hits You
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You can be a practical person and still take the unseen seriously. Jeremy and Gareth get honest about why so many of us only think about spirituality when life breaks us open, and how the day-to-day noise of modern living quietly pushes our bodies into stress patterns long before anything shows up on a test. We also dig into why “authentic” living matters, even when you care about health and discipline, and why community, food, and intention shape the energy of a life more than perfect rules ever will.
Gareth lays out a simple but detailed guide to subtle anatomy and the chakra system, from the survival-driven lower centers to the liberating upper chakra centres. We talk about how mind-expanding drugs can force perception open, but why grounding and training are the safer path if you want real non-physical awareness. Along the way we challenge the myth of permanent “chakra balancing,” explore how fear can collapse us back into survival mode, and explain why ethical spiritual healing avoids guru glamour and focuses on empowerment.
Then we get practical: grounding visualizations, strengthening your energy field, and clearing techniques like sea salt baths and water immersion when you come home feeling energetically filthy. We also touch on caregivers and therapists picking up other people’s symptoms, animals mirroring their owners, and why crystal healing can feel shockingly physical when used and cleansed responsibly. We close with a deceptively powerful form of energy protection: focus, discernment, and laughter. Subscribe, share this with a friend who feels energetically “off,” and leave a review with the one practice that helps you reset fastest.
Welcome And Creating Authentically
SPEAKER_01Well, welcome back to Doctors No More. We have absolutely no idea what episode we're on, and who cares? Because they're all wonderful. But this is a continuation with me, Dr. Jeremy, and my great friend Dr. Gareth of the last one in the series of when we publish them. And sorry they're a bit not coming out as fast as we wanted. It's my fault. I'm very busy. Jeremy, we have lives. Yes. Yes, it is true. We have lives.
SPEAKER_00And um I I'm just very, very contrary to any other uh content creators, we have lives that we live.
SPEAKER_01It is, I don't know how they do it, right? And anyway.
SPEAKER_00Hang on, just before you start, that that's there's a lot of content creators that are quitting. Are they? Yeah, because it's on YouTube, there's a lot to acquitting because they can't take the pressure anymore of creating.
SPEAKER_01It's actually it's kind of ironic.
SPEAKER_00So maybe we are setting a new pattern of organically doing things as it's meant to be. And if we get more time to do things, we'll do more.
SPEAKER_01Well, I like that. I like that because only this morning I was talking to my my bestie, the lovely Tresh, and I said, you know what, Tresh? I don't I want to produce content, and I really I want to have the space and time to write books. I've got five books I've started over the last five years, and I've never got past chapter three because you you just can't do it ad hoc. But anyway, I said, you know, I don't I've got all the software ready and the AI that can take clips and put the stuff. I said, you know, I'm not saying I won't do it, but you know what? I don't want to be sucked into that realm. I want to I want to make things as the spirit takes me. And actually, that what a great segue.
SPEAKER_00Oh my you are professional. You are do you know what? Even when go on. You can compliment you are you are you are professional. The way you can you didn't even think about that, you naturally moved into it.
SPEAKER_01Well, there you go. Because before we went on air, I said to Gareth, I said, I'm really exhausted. You're gonna have to lead the way. There must be some sort of unseen force driving you. Well, well, funny enough, following on from the last one, that's where I want to go today. You know, and and you know, harmonics, um, we were sort of were discussing in depth, and and the feedback I had was people thought it was the best one we'd ever done, um, which is quite a compliment. But um moving on from that and expanding upon that and going backwards and forwards with that, you know, I wanted to sort of you know ask you, you know, because I I call I describe you as my non-physical consultant, right? And and certainly learned man. And there's people, you know, similar to you with with knowledge of the unseen and the, shall we say, not physical worlds, and they're all very interesting. But I've known you, I know you well, and I've had you know beer with you, and I know you well, and I know you're not um a fickle man.
SPEAKER_00That's like some some some ancient text, isn't it? You I know you so well I've had beer with you.
SPEAKER_01Well, do you know what? You know, I think it's honest. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, to be honest with you, I was thinking when I finished work today, I thought, oh my god, I'd love to go and have a beer now. Oh with my.
SPEAKER_01But you see, you see, you know, we we we're very, you know, we're sort of tangenting already, but we're involved with very serious work and and often trying to help very serious cases and certainly teach and communicate this. And, you know, I think some people um back to the influencer world and those who are influenced by influences in the health, you know, and there are some people that have managed to get very big or are currently very big. And, you know, I'm gonna say it, right? And and it'll I'll be criticized, and you know. I'm going to be criticized for it. And you know what? They may be right. But fuck it, right? I, you know, yes, when people are sick, possibly, you need to be very, very strict, possibly, because I'm well aware of cases that did the opposite and went to travel around the world and got pissed and did all kinds of things and got well, right? Um, or got drunk for the Americans, because pissed means angry for the Americans, right? But anyway, um I think the fact that we have food, uh the diversity of food and the social element that goes with that, and often alcohol, is a beautiful thing. And I can tell you most of, or many I should say, of the wonderful moments I've had with you have been around food and a couple of beers. And we're no, we're not, we don't get you know drunk and full of, you know, so we call it like the little beer buzz, you know, the little beer buzz and Yeah, the two-point buzz. Yeah, you know what? And and I know about spirits and alcohol and al-ghoul, and do you know what?
SPEAKER_00But the only spirits that have ever come into me are bloody funny, you know, and and you know, anyway, I digress a little bit, but in seriousness, I I can't I kind of think actually that's interesting though, because it suggests that that has alcohol uh its place in society changed so much, yeah. You know, whereas it was probably, you know, in in more ancient times you had to take time to brew it, it was probably done more locally, it was seasonal, right? And you're right, of course. Yeah, and so there there would have been this whole sort of um intimate connection to the the people who, you know, that community, right?
SPEAKER_01And like everything, it's intentions. Like if you take Heineken, Heineken's got three sixes in it when you turn it upside down, right? Yeah, you know, there's you know, monster drinks as has got the same sort of symbology, the energy drinks. You know, the intentions of where alcohol began and where they've ended up from a commercial point of view are no doubt to create nothing but trouble. The same with the drugs. I know for a fact that drugs, um uh there are witches in South America that um put spells on the on the cocaine to bring in darker. And again, here we go, in the professional manner. Well, it's to the spirit world
Why Ordinary People Want The Unseen
SPEAKER_01and the energy plant. So that's where I want to start. And before I go there, I just wanted to finish that thought. I want to be authentic, and I think I always have been. But you know, I think what's been holding me back from doing more content is I actually want to be all of it. I want to be able to go, yes, this is how you need to get well, and yes, come and have a drink with me. You know, and I don't see why I can't be both of those, as opposed to you, you get the gist, but let's let's get on to you know the meat of the show. I, as my learned non-physical advisor consulting friend, who I know very well, um, and he's not a fickle man, and he's not um what's the word I'm looking for? Can't think of it. But he's he's a man of careful, careful. He's a man of substance, he's a man of experience, he's a man of intellect, he's both respected in the quote unquote system, he's been high-level in the system, come out and gone down a little bit uh in in the hierarchy of the system to be a quote unquote ordinary dentist, but he's also an incredibly talented spiritual energy healing man. And so here it is, you can't be just written off as a nutter, right, or as a woo-woo, or someone who's just taking comfort in fluffiness and you know. So, my question to you today, because so many people talk to me about this privately, right? How can the normal human, right, the ordinary bloke and woman really have a connection with the unseen? And that's the problem, it's unseen. Um, while living in this challenging, tumultuous, transformation transforming world, other than when there's crisis, when they meet it the most, or when there's death, when they get perhaps closer to the veil, andor drugs, which I don't think is a great thing. How do ordinary folk bring the energy planes into this noise and busyness?
Chakras And The Subtle Anatomy
SPEAKER_00So you're talking about how really how do people uh alter their awareness, right? So we're living in in uh a physical world, right? And we have to, right? We're born here, we have to incarnate into the physical world. We have to live in this world. And the the question of increasing your sensitivity to be aware of non-physical worlds, that means that you have to have some form of uh preparatory um knowledge or training to expand your awareness. Now you're talking about drugs, you can expand your awareness with drugs, right? And people do have amazing trips, and some people have horrendous trips, right? So, what the reason why people have that when they take a substance is that when you when you look at the foundations of lots of subtle energy work, a lot of it is based on the eastern philosophy of uh chakras and energy fields, right? Yeah, so that that's what you would call the subtle anatomy, not the physical anatomy, like your heart, like your lungs, but the subtle anatomy. So in a base basic terms, your energy field around you, your subtle anatomy of your energy field contains the the layer that's the most closest to the physical, then you've got the emotional layer, the mental layer, and the outer layer, spiritual. And we were talking about vibration, and all of those layers, as you go further out from the body, they vibrationally um well, they vibrate at a higher frequency. So if you think about it from a physical physics, chemistry point of view, if you take a gas and you slow the molecules down, it turns into a liquid. You slow them down even more, it turns into a solid. Right, right. So we we are uh still uh bound by those laws, physical laws, and um more universal laws. Now, chemistry and physics describe very much the physical realm, right? They they want to describe the physical realm, but if you talk about satellite anatomy, the energy field, then within that you have those seven main centers called chakras. There's seven of them. The the first one, the base one, relates to survival. So anything that's happening with you in relation to survival, you'll find something going on in the base chakra. This is really simplistic, by the way, right? I don't want to go into some there's no point in me telling, you know, going into more detail because people won't understand it unless they have some knowledge to start with. But then the sacral, the next one up, which vibrates at a higher frequency, right? Um is relating to sexuality, which where and if you look at the physical side of things, it relates to your sexual organs, right? The base also can relate to your sexual organs and um your your lower gut, same as the sacred. So if you to look at where those chakras are in the lower part of the body, they relate loosely to some of the um uh physical anatomy. Yeah, right now you move up to solar plexus, is where your ego is centered. Now you you know as well as I do, if you're a martial artist, you know you could kill someone with a blow in a solar plexus easily if you wanted to, right? So if you if you think about what's behind the solar plexus, it's your identity on a very basic level. Now, most people, those three lower chakras very much relate to the physical world and reality that we live in, and most people live much of their lives in those lower three centers, so it's it's survival, right? It's sexuality, it's ego, right? Yeah, now you start to move up and you each time you move up vibrationally they change. Now, if you want to talk about light, it's white light split into the seven colours. So the base chakra, although it contains all vibrational colours, its overriding vibrational colour is red. Right? So if you talk about red, uh red relates to vigor, energy, right? Materialism, so and and power sometimes. So if you if you look about if you look at people when they go off in the city and they wear red, you think, oh wow, they're driven, they're going for it. And yellow relates to the solar plexus, also relates to digestion. That's why you know the golden arches are yellow. So if you look at some of the colours in relation to what they mean, you start to see how um some of the the organizations that push certain things they know this information and they use it against people, right? Now staying away from that just for a second, then you move into the heart center, the area where you hold your love for yourself and others. Now, most people are being held in the low three chakras, and I think I mean my mind, it's engineered like that, right? Yeah, egoic, I I am this, you are that. Conflict, remain in the lower three chakras, have sex, worry about how much money you've got and materialism and survive, survive, fear that you can survive. So everyone's held in the lower three centres, right? Makes sense, control, easy to do, very easy to do if you're aware of energy, and people are aware of energy that have lots of power. I know that, I'm sure, right? Now, you move into the heart center, love, unconditional love. I'm not talking about loving your your neighbor or your your your wife, or most people misunderstand love, they think it's like I love you because you do what what I think you should, you you are what I think you should be. It's not that, it's I love you because you are what you are, and it works, right?
SPEAKER_01It's a different thing, but that vibration I'm I'm nodding, but it's only because Natalie's not in the room. But keep going.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so that center is is is what you would term a very, you know, the center that's very important to humanity if it wants to evolve and move forward out of those lower three centers. And this is what's happening to a certain degree, right? This these fights which are going on, you see it everywhere, there's conflict everywhere. I am this, you are that, this is right, that's wrong, this is the way, that's the way. And it's in a way, sometimes forcing people either to let go of it and move into the heart center, go, you know what? What what do I want for myself? What is what what is best for me, right? And once I've got that, how do I spread that love to other people? Right? So that my fellow human being can can move on with me, right? Now we get into more interesting centers, the throat, the throat chakra, although it relates to communication because it's in the throat, it also relates to um karmic patterns, right? So I didn't know that, right? Yeah, karmic patterns. So if you think about it, it makes sense. If you speak something, you're creating patterns with people.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not just what you're saying, it's the sound of it. If you want to go into vibration more, and whenever you listen to someone, you say you listen to someone singing, you can tell whether they're just singing or they're connected to something more soulful. You feel the vibration come through them, through their throat. But also the that center is a communication center that relates to communication with higher realms. So you know when you get people who say, Oh, I have I'm I'm channeling something, something that's the that's the center that it will come through. Now lots of psychics will will very much use a solar plexus center, the gut feeling, intuition, right? That's that's a lower communication. I mean, lots of psychics could probably disagree with me and wouldn't like me saying lower, but it's it is an uh they that center can be used for that, right? Now, now if we move into what we were talking about initially about drugs and being aware of subtle energies, that's very much the brow center, which is your third eye, right? So that's when they call it an eye because it sees now you it sees the physic the non-physical worlds. So if you take a mind-expanding drug, it opens up that center, and that's why you start to see energy. So what you see is real, it's not something that's happening in your brain, and lots of people would disagree with me, right? But I've seen it, I've seen it with people who um I've worked with, and you get a group of people not taking drugs, but they're they're consciously able to open that center and look, and they see the same thing.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's I I don't want to interrupt you, but I'm about to. The the seeing is very interesting with you giving it that explanation because you know, I think it was David Icke quite a few years ago that pointed out that our visual field, our ability to receive light and interpret it in the brain into visuals, is uh something like 0.1 or 0.01% of the full light spectrum, and dogs are slightly broader spectrum, and so they can see things literally that you can't, um, and that is often why dogs will stand there barking at things that you can't see that probably are there, and then that's that's just you know, scratching the tip of the iceberg because that basically what he was saying, uh, and others have written about this, is most of the visible universe, whatever that is, the realm, is invisible to the human eye. But the third eye is opening up and uh being able to um receive subtler or higher frequency vibrations. Would that be right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so each time you move up a chakra, your your chakra is is connected to a plane of energy, right? So it's it's not just uh connected to interconnected through each through your whole system. So they're not separate, they have an interconnectedness and they have influence over each other. So ones which are closer together resonate more and have an influence over each other. So let's say something was going on in my sacral chakra, it would have an effect on the flow in the base cell. And the solar plexus, because they're the nearest to it. Or they might have uh some chakras have a very strong interrelationship with opposing chakras. So sacral can have a very strong relationship with the throat and the base with the brow or the crown, right? Or the solar plexus in the heart because they have this deeper interrelationship. So as you get into learning about energy and healing, you start to see that when you start to unpack all this knowledge, it starts to expand, and you start to see you're touching the you know the tip of a very large iceberg.
SPEAKER_01Well, you used the you used the K-word, knowledge. Knowledge. Right. Again, English. Why the hell is there K there, right? But knowledge, right? Now, it seems to me, because I started this question or this podcast deliberately, like, yeah, but you can are you mad, mate? You know, uh prove it, right? However, if you look at the body of knowledge over the centuries and further, in the, you know, from the from the um eastern uh I I probably it was documented in the Western, but certainly the Eastern cultures have really documented these energy centers and and um chakras and their relations. So it was knowledge. Because what I'm leading to is I don't believe that we just got smart in the last hundred years and worked out that was all a bunch of hokum and woo-woo, so we could just discard it like a, you know, uh, I don't know what, right, right, uh the nonsense that it is scientifically um said to be, and replaced it in a very short period of time with a quote-unquote body of knowledge that is quote unquote scientific. Because I know for a fact that there is someone in, I think it was Korea, uh it might have even been North Korea, but I know it was Korea, that has actually developed a scan where he can where they can um see the acupuncture points and meridians that very r regularly run along major arteries and nerve pathways, but they can see it now. So what I'm what I'm suggesting to you is there has been a deliberate um let's throw that garbage out that was once fascinating knowledge, right? And to be replaced by questionable science. And you know what I'm trying to bring in is certainly its relevance in getting well, but it's relevance
Spiritual Healing Without Guru Traps
SPEAKER_01in actually living day to day.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well look, I I the the way the way I can relate that to you is say somebody comes to me, or this is the way I teach it to a student who's learning to work with chakras, right? If somebody comes to you and you learn how to assess the subtle nature of a shot a chakra system, are there any blocks in energy? Is there a lower flow rate or an overactive area? Is there one going through change, right? And you find out where you need to work and you work there, right? And the idea is that if you work on those subtle levels and you correct them, or you support that person through the change, what happens naturally is that the thoughts and emotions follow because you're introduced in a higher vibrational state. And what do you mean by work? A focus of light or energy? So energy healers will attune to what I would say is a spiritual light, right? So they will learn how to um properly ground themselves, protect their energy field, and link up consciously. So it's a type of meditative state, but you're not going, you're going in, but you're also connecting to a spiritual light and asking the divine or the light as a healer for help to work with someone. So you're a channel then for energy and healing, right? Now, if you if you look at historically what you would call that in the simplest terms, lots of people used to call it spiritual healing, and you know, or right, laying on of hands. Yeah, but I mean laying on of hands is more of a physical thing. I'm talking more of a non-physical, so you're you're you're a conduit for spiritual energy to come through you, and of course, the the the type of energy that comes through you is dependent on how well you've developed your own your own energy centers. Have you have you gone through processes and looked at your own, dare I use another word, shit? Yeah, if you haven't, then you are holding that vibration, and whatever comes through you, you will you will only be able to help that other person in relation to the vibration you can hold and channel. No, that might that might be appropriate. So, for example, my my late and lovely teacher used to say, you know, you could teach um a prisoner in a in a in a prison to do healing, but you probably wouldn't want to have healing from them because the vibration that they hold is quite difficult. But could they help could they help other prisoners evolve? Yeah, they probably could because they vibrate at that frequency more. So, what you're trying to do as a as a professional healer or an energy worker is that you're you're wanting to work in a responsible way, so you know you're connected to a good energy, right? And that you're channeling the best vibration that you possibly can at that point in time, right? Now, that doesn't mean that you're gifted, and there's a lot of people out there get caught up in this. You know, I'm I'm channeling, you know, uh an angel's energy, or I'm channeling uh he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. You know, and uh I always say, well, you know, if you if you were really channeling an energy as big as that, yeah, I I can I would compare it to if you put a current through a resistor that can't take it, it'll blow up. Right. So you you get given the vibration that you're you're where you're at, right? And then you if you work with that intent that's grounded and not glamorous, right? There's a lot of glamour, unfortunately, right?
SPEAKER_01Is that and by glamour you mean do you know who I am?
SPEAKER_00I'm yeah, you people who you know who are uh get a certain length along the path, and then they they believe that they're further along the path than they are, and you know, they're a master of something, or they're a a spiritual guru to someone, and that actually is is a very common downfall on the path of development as a teacher. It's very easy to become a guru, right? You know that people want you to be it, don't they? Oh, yeah, and then before you know it, you're like, oh my god, I'm like, yeah, well, I this is not what I want to be. I want people to take, you know, I want to help people, but I want them to take their own power and do it for themselves and empower themselves so that they feel like wow, I've done this ultimately, and my body's done it, and I'm connected to my soul, right? The antithesis of a cult. Yeah, yeah. It's difficult, yeah. Difficult. Sorry. Hey, do you know that cult? Which one? The differ one, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's difficult to get in.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, no, but it's serious, right? Because because it is to assist people, to help people, whatever way you want to phrase it. Yeah, you know, particularly you you know what I'm gonna say. You yeah, let me just get this out. Having helped people for over 30 years, you know, and going through my own involvement and yeah, super keen in the beginning, and then, you know, actually not being able to help them the way I wanted to, because I was too dependent on them liking me and having an outcome. And so they manipulated me early on. I could see that. And then I became what I consider, you know, if Gordon Ramsay had a love child with Billy Connolly, this is a game that lead and I play, I would be the you know, the sprog that came out then. I I became, I was not frightened to say what I needed to say, hence the Gordon Ramsay kitchen nightmare kind of thing. But it was love, and it was usually done with humor. But I was I didn't need them to like me anymore. So I did the I've done the best work of my life. But the premise all the way through that was I do not cannot heal you, only you can. I can teach you and assist you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that is exactly right. Because I mean, I in in terms of um uh you know, in in terms of learning to be an energy healer, there's this there's a similar concept, right? You don't fix someone, right? Right. You don't if somebody comes to you that and they're expecting you to fix them. I mean, I say, look, I'm not gonna promise to fix you. I can have a look at where your subtle energy has got you know, energy sort of uh flow, maybe blocks or it needs some addressing, and then it's not gonna sort your life out for you. It might give you an energetic change or shift so you can look at something differently and you can empower yourself because ultimately, if you empower yourself, you're taking responsibility, and what happens is that you're welcoming into your
Noise Stress And Energy Stagnation
SPEAKER_00energy a higher vibration that's in tune with who you truly are, which is healthy.
SPEAKER_01Well, here's here's exactly why I wanted this conversation because you know, for the people who aren't seemingly ill or in dis-ease, uh you know, and having you know taken tens of thousands of case history and helped tens of thousands of people, I can assure you, listener, right, that dis-ease begins a long way back from when they, you know, f finally seeking someone like Neil Gareth. And it begins with a disturbance in the force in your body, you know, uh a breakup, you know, or or or a period of time of little jabs at school or whatever it was. But it's it begins with this energetic disharmony that begins to establish a pattern in your body, and from that a response, i.e., a behavioral change. So for example, you know, you know, a lot of people that were bullied at school became either comedians, fighters, right, or or wallflowers, you know, but it's a change from an energy coming in of feeling stupid, insecure, whatever it was. So why I wanted to get Gareth on this, because we're in such a period of time of noise. It's it's hard, all right? It's very noisy out there, okay. Bombarded with information, which is noise, um, you know, uh thoughts, influences, you know, other you know, we're still divided from the convid area if you have friends and family, you know, so much noise, you know, that it's very, very challenging for someone to, I think, pause in a in in an ordinary day and recognize that harmonically uh or energetically they've been knocked off course, or as a chakras, it's affected their spin. But you do feel it. Yeah, right? You definitely feel it, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I uh you you just made me think about um a concept you're saying about chakras, and you know, the you people the the thing that um makes me um know that lots of people don't really understand subtle energy is that you know they're they'll say, Oh, I got my chakras balanced, right? And you're like, okay, well, what does that mean? Well, I went to somebody and they balanced my chakras. It's probably a regi master. I don't know, but it's like, well, look, if you look at a chakra, you're talking about an energetic um uh I mean the chakras the Sanskrit word for wheel. Um, and it's if you look at it from an energy point of view, it's something that's spinning with energy flowing in and out of it, and it's how you you're perceiving your world on many levels, right? It's not something that's static, it's constantly moving. So let's say you go to somebody and they go, Oh, your chakras are balanced now, off you go. You go out into the world, they're unbalanced again because you're constantly, you know. So the the idea that somebody gets their chakras balance and it's like, well, I'm balanced, you know, and then you know, you walk into you know Tesco or something, and somebody bumps into you behind you, or is like trying to get past you, and you're desperately trying to be spiritual and go on, but I've had my fucking chakras balance, get away from me. You know, yeah, it's crazy because you you're in the world, so rather than going and with a concept of getting balance in, go with a concept and say, you know, find somebody who's probably really well trained and go and get them to have a look and just address where you need it at that point in time for your highest good, right?
SPEAKER_01And you know, if we went to the other silly extreme, if the world had evolved in a benevolent way, right? Then probably no, not probably, because Nicole Tesla was hot on it and others like him. Certainly, if it was benevolent, it would have evolved with consciousness of sound, vibration, frequency, and noise. And it would have, which is uh interestingly a lot what Tartaria is all about. If you don't know what Tartaria is, go and Google and watch some videos on the buildings of Tartaria because they seem to be um uh uh uh built to resonate and uh and expand.
SPEAKER_00They're manifested sound.
SPEAKER_01Right, exactly. Same as the churches, which is why wires want to be sacred geometry. Exactly, sacred geometry, and there wasn't glass in the windows because it was allowed to get out. But the point is this should if we had been you know not interfered with, because that's what we have been, and we had uh been allowed to naturally benevolent anyway. Uh we were being allowed to benevolently evolve, right? Okay, it must, must have just just let me finish my sentence because you might be the screen dealers in a bit. He's pouting to say something. But you I'm not, I'm not yes, I know your pouts. He anyway, we would have have to have evolved like Tartaria back into resonant, harmonic frequency. Why? Because you talk about love, as far as I'm concerned, love in this realm, you can use another word, is creation. It's everything that creates and connects to energies that create. And and that by end definition is not hoard or, you know, it's share, it's grow, it's it's it's all those wonderful stuff. And therefore, just let me finish, we wouldn't need um chakra balancing acts because you would be, you know, uh first of all, you'd be educated to recognize your resonance was off and what to do. But the chances are it would very rarely be off because you're in such a constant, like your bees, you're in a you're in a harmonic, most of the time, you're in a harmonic sea of peace, tranquility, and truth.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but there is such a thing as karma. Yeah, and uh I I'm sorry to say that human beings have created a lot of karma. And I'm not I'm not talking about being punished for something. We've just set up patterns that we need to heal and move on from and move into a higher higher vibrational state, right? I've met karma, yeah. What Camellia?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, no, it's it's um uh a boxer dog called karma that had some problems, and I gave some comment to the owner, yeah, and karma got well. So you know karma loves you you've done it then. I've dealt with karma.
SPEAKER_02Oh nice one, nice one nice, nice.
SPEAKER_00Oh um, you know, I I just if I'm just thinking of moving back into you know when I got to the the brow chakra, didn't I? Yes so the one at the top the crown is that your that's your connection to the light, to God, to spirituality, right? Now many people believe that during the last you know debacle of CONVID, what happened to people when they took a job is it cut off their connection, right?
SPEAKER_01I I I I've seen it. There is no doubt in my mind that there has been a disconnect from the higher what they call the derivation.
SPEAKER_00I don't know, but what I do know is that that period of time sh spread so much fear, right, that it forced people down back into their their lower chakras again, right? So you were talking um uh about Tesla and that period of time as in Nicole, not yeah, yeah. And if you look at that period of time, you know, late sort of um 1800s, early 1900s, something was going on then that was if we had remained on that path, we'd be in a totally different place now, right? Totally, totally different place, and um I my sense is is that we are going through you know constantly vibrational changes,
Grounding And Safe Sensitivity
SPEAKER_00and it's up to us to try and move with it. Now, how do you do that as as a you know an ordinary person living your life? How do you do that in terms of subtle energy? One of the key things that you need to learn is how to ground your energies because if you ground your energies, and I'm not talking about walking barefoot, that helps, but you can consciously ground them by thinking thought energy follows thought, and thought is not in your brain, it's the it's a field around you, and it moves through everything, the mind, right? So, how do you ground it? You've maybe visualize roots going into the earth, so energy follows thought. See something connected from your spine down into the earth, but focus on it to ground yourself, you can even strengthen your energy field, yeah, right, consciously. But the problem with these techniques is once you start them, you start to become more aware of subtle energy. Yeah, right. Now, the the difficulties with that are is that if you if you start to work with energy and you open your energy centers up, so let's say I teach someone how to ground, strengthen their energy field, then they you know meditate and attune and they open their awareness up, they're opening what people would call a raising of a kundalini energy, right? So they start to get spiritual insights. Very easy to want to remain in that realm, right? So you you don't want to come back, it's so nice there. You go, oh, I don't want to be in the world, I'd rather be in this spiritual realm, and you try and dwell in there. And unfortunately, that's that is a really common thing when people get into energy work. They go, I don't like my life, I don't want to deal with the actual shadows that I hold or the difficulties that I hold, like traumas and stuff like that. I want to remain in the energy plane, so they remain floating around. In energy. Now that's not a good thing to do because the energy planes, like the world, has nice people and not so nice people. So the energy planes has nice energy and not so nice energy. So it's important if you are going to use subtle techniques that you do things very systematically, slowly, properly, because it's you know you you have to be aware that unless you live in some you know uh amazingly beautiful um reality off somewhere in nature where there's very few other energies to to encroach upon you, the majority of people working you know with energy in a in countries which are highly populated with good and bad
Clearing Heavy Energy With Salt Water
SPEAKER_00issues, that stuff's floating around constantly, right?
SPEAKER_01How do you shake off bad energy? So you can come back from the end of the day, particular city, something like that, and you can feel filthy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I I remember I'll give you give you a story. I remember when I uh when I went to uh Thailand and had my my Zen moment, you know? Like like the grasshopper moment, right? Oh god, what did we what we what beer have we named you after you?
SPEAKER_01That's it. Oh that's that's gotta happen, eh? Right? That's gotta happen, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And um and I learned Thai massage, right? And you can relate to this. And I remember I started doing it, I couldn't do it after a while because I I felt drained to shit. Oh god, yeah. And I and then I finish doing something, they go away, they go, Whoa! So good. Amazing. And you're like, do you and then you'll you you finish, right? And you're wondering why you're thinking thoughts are not even yours. Yeah, you're going, What the f I don't why am I thinking that? Why am I feeling that? That's not my thought, because you're taking on the energy which is thoughts or feelings. Now, most you know, most things that people experience are like that, right? And it's not like the the glamorous stuff where people say, Oh, they've got an entity in their field, oh, there's a bad energy hanging around them, they've got to do this. Yeah, that exists, but most of the time it's people's own deep-seated blocks in emotions and thoughts, or they've taken something on from someone else, like that's a thought or emotion, it's vibrationally low, right? So, in that sense, how can you shake that off? You salt bath, right? Take some sea salt, have the intent that it's going to clean your energy field, energy follows thought, maybe hold it in your hand, dedicate it for a higher higher purpose, and ask that to cleanse your energy field. Put it in in the in the bath, they dissolve, the water becomes energized with your thought and your link to some maybe something higher, and the intent is to clear the energy field.
SPEAKER_01Well, this I can I can I can definitely say this works because when I had the physical clinics and it and it was making me sick, yeah, right. Uh I I'd get to the end of the day and I'd call it patient toxic, and Natalie saw it. I I was, you know, I if you've ever seen the movie the the uh the green mile with with Tom Hanks, unfortunately Tom Hanks is you know but but it's change the age.
SPEAKER_00Change the age.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's it exactly. It's but it's a fantastic movie, but the the main character uh you know draws out something poisonous that is energetic or evil, and they heal and he's sick, and then he has to get rid of it. So at the end of the day, once I saw that movie, I was like, oh, I that's real, I know what that is, right? But you you get in a day, and the worst one I ever had was I knew he was a horrible man. He had a reputation as a very nasty man, and he came, he had terrible headaches, and I put my hands on him, right, to start examining, and I got an instant headache, like like a terror, right? And I was like, oh god. You picked up his symptoms, totally, right? But anyway, all I had to do was get in water at the end of the day, and you know, obviously the different qualities of water work quicker. Seawater, the quicker. Yeah, sea seawater's amazing. That's why it has to be sea salt, because you're basically bringing the water into the sea. But the sea, the sea water was mirac any water worked, but seawater was miraculous. Yeah, and I was rejuvenated, cleansed, gone, ready to go.
SPEAKER_00Clean cleansed, yeah. Energy. Because it's it you're not just stepping into the sea, you're step your energy field is stepping into this the energy of sea, right? Water, right? So you're you're immersing yourself, not just physically, but energetically, right?
SPEAKER_01Al although, side note, I could never go skinny dipping in the sea. I was just terrified that I would be bitten.
SPEAKER_00But this is important because if you are a therapist, right, of some sort, you can take on your clients' disease patterns. Totally you can. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02As can carers.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Carers can do it too. I mean, you and animals, yeah. Do you ever see the animals who take on their owners' patterns?
SPEAKER_01They look effed, don't they? Well, no, I've seen animals die. Yeah. So they totally take it on. For no reason they shouldn't have gotten sick, other than this.
SPEAKER_00You know? And um I um I think that um did I relay a story to you about someone about a dog? Why don't you relay it to me now? Are you sitting comfortably, boys? And yeah, now we'll begin. He had a dog, right? And um he was um it was he went to the vet and he the vet said, right, that's it, he's he's effed, right? He's not gonna survive. There's no way he's gonna survive. And the owner just thought, like, um, no, no, no, I got I I want him to be at home. And then the owner started to realize that it wasn't the dog that had the problem, it was him.
SPEAKER_01How did he how did he even get there?
SPEAKER_00Uh no, I can't remember, but he he he thought of um there was something relating to some strong emotions, right? Whether it was guilt, anger, hatred, or something like that for something or someone, and then he resolved it, and the dog got better. Right now, he took the vet went, how what how did that happen? Right, and obviously he told the vet, and the vet thought, well, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah. The usual thing. Show me the study. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a real you know, scientist like the old days, who'd be fascinated by that and want to know why that happened. You know, come on, what's more interesting than that? Jesus, huh? Yeah, exactly. You'd you'd be like, your mind, if you were true scientists, you go, What the that is amazing, yeah?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, I've told you over my whole career, three doctors have come to me, lots of nurses, and without exception, and they're like, Oh my god, you know, help me or tell me what what you're doing. And you start and they never do it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So you, you know, there's there's
Crystals Animals And Shared Patterns
SPEAKER_00an example. Right.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's real, and certainly, and you know, although I'll never understand people that own horse.
SPEAKER_00But you you know, as well, you know, as you know, also my work involves um, we're gonna go into woo woo territory now, is crystals, right? Yeah, using crystals as an energy to to heal because they they are manifested um uh physical manifestations of the divine, right? They're beautiful, right?
SPEAKER_01But that's what but that but that's where you're wrong with it. That's that's the opposite of woo, because yeah, they have been measured with their resonance that comes out, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But it's not just that, it's the energy behind them. What's created, what divine energy has created that, and it carries a vibration, right? It carries a vibration, not just for because of its um shape, but its colour, its inner structure, or sacred geometry. All of these things lead to its vibration. That's why crystals are fantastic for subtle energy work, because you can have crystals that have a vibration that can ground someone, slow things down, they can clear things which are blocked, they can they can calm things which are overactive, or they can lift things which are stagnant, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, I have a story about this. When I was, you know, um with my ex-wife and things were not great, and the clinic was very, very busy, and I was getting very sick, right? I was I was worried about myself. I was really like, am I gonna drop dead? I you know, who knows how close you come, you know, unhappy marriage, clinic really busy, helping lots of people, and I'm going downhill, right? And I can feel it, and I have got to keep going. This one of my clients was a crystal um healer or whatever the word is, crystal therapist or whatever it was. And I was like, uh she offered to treat me for nothing, right? I was like, do you worry about in my head? I'm like, yeah, you're nice, I'm helping you lovely, but really anyway. I ended up deciding I will go and see her, and of course, it's traditional what you'd expect, the kind of room to walk. Candle, the whole sense, the whole singing bowls, the kind of music that you get in every new age store, you know, frickin' pipes and whales, you know, and whatever, right? And and that was a whale, right? And and anyway, but very, very, you know, and the smells, you know, in you know, it was lovely. But but a little bit healing. Healing space, it was, right? But it was the full it was the full sensory thing. But so I'm still nervous because I'm not used to being helped, I'm used to helping. But I so I lay down on my back, um, I think it was, and she closed my eyes and she she said, I'll choose the crystals. And one by one, she put the first one's on my, you know, my third eye, right? But she starts placing them all over, and I'm laying there just like, am I gonna sneeze and they're all gonna fall off or something? So my mind is still anyway. I kid you not, Gareth. It didn't take long before I was absolutely in zen. But the but the if that wasn't interesting enough, right? The the crystals got really hot. So it was it was drawing this crap out of me. And I to this day, my favorite my emergency treatment for me is a rose quartz. Yeah, and it gets really hot, it just pulls it out what what's in me. And and I'll you know I'm not exaggerating, it gets really hot, not warm, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00But you know you need what you need to be aware of if you're gonna do that, and any decent crystal healer or crystal therapist or energy worker, you've got to cleanse them, yeah, right? Because they take they take on energy. Now, let's say they take on energy and you don't clean them, and then another client comes and you just plump that energy on someone else. Everything is constantly energetic, yeah, you know, it's like let's let's let's say um in at home there's an argument, right? And it's sort of resolved, but it's hanging in the air, yeah, right? So I tend to go, okay, well, I'm gonna clear this energy because we do we don't need the stuff that we don't need, and if there is some that still needs to hang around the emotion because things are not fully worked through, then fine, but it's constantly cleaning these things.
SPEAKER_01Conversely, your wife is throwing crystals at you while that air's clearing.
SPEAKER_00Uh she's got this thing, she says, Oh, you're ob déjà, you know. Oh, oh do you know what ob dejah is?
SPEAKER_01Well, I know what an ob de d'art is. What's that? It's an object of art, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. I mean, I don't know whether it's meant to be an object of art or whether it's just like trinkets or something. Yeah. Because I I love crystals, yeah. There's crystals everywhere in my home. Yes, we know. We know. And um, I mean, I I I you know, I the the beauty of the crystal kingdom is just amazing, you know, it's beautiful, right? And um the variety of vibrations in it, you you can you can work with vibrations as I say, which slow things down for you, or if you want to have more higher spiritual experiences, there's crystals that can help with that too, right? Okay, so of course, what you do if you are working with energy like that, not not to be you know, that there is another side of it. If you bring a lot of light in to yourself, you can guarantee that it will lift out maybe
Energy Protection 101 And Laughter
SPEAKER_00what's hidden in you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think look, you know, as we as we get closer to the end of today's podcast, um, you know, uh I think we need you know, a sort of energy protection 101, right? And for me, we've covered those. For me, number one is be conscious when a discordant energy comes into your body. For example, someone calling you a name or um upsetting you or or whatever it is, but be aware that it's come into your body. That's number one for me. Be aware, conscious, you might not be able to do anything about it because you're working or whatever it is, but be conscious that something has come into your body, that is energy, and has stuck or or is uh certainly has not been processed and moved through. That's number one. Then number two is remember that at some point in your day or week, I would say, you need to do something to clear and process that. And for me, what processing can be many things. It can be music, nature, animals, it can be anything. It can it can be you know written spiritual practices and you know, seeing you know, um roots go into the ground that Garus described, and so on and so forth. But it's got to work for you, but you've got to process it, and you know, you know when you've processed it, because either there is a release or you feel that heaviness, that energy shift and move. So that's my for today, just for today, I would say that's the three most important things for me, because if you don't, which is what most people are doing, and they um uh diffuse it with alcohol or or other addictions or busyness, and they don't actually deal with it, it accumulates and more important more correctly stagnates. And it's a stagnation that ends up producing something physical or physiological further down the road that a doctor can test or scan or see. What would you your 101 as we close this up be? Oh, wise one?
SPEAKER_00Um well to recognize um because everything is energy, right? I think everyone can relate to this. That sometimes you're going through your day and you you feel emotional um in a way that doesn't make sense, right? Yeah, so you're you're doing something, you go, oh god, I feel angry at the moment for some reason. Why is that? Oh, I remember I talked to you about a week ago, it's furious all day. So you're like, why am I angry? There's no actual re whenever you're like that, that that that can sometimes mean that um there's projection, right? People can project onto each other, and uh what they do is energy follows thought, they project maybe. Say somebody's angry with you. It's the same if somebody sends you a loving thought, right? Oh wow, I feel pretty nice. It so whenever you feel those things, go, is there a reason why I should feel or think like this at the moment? And if it doesn't tie in with it, just really sort of center yourself and go, I'm gonna get on with what I need to do, yeah, and it you know, and focus. And that's the other thing I would say is if you are completely focused on yourself in what you want to do for a day, other things won't tend to touch you, right? They won't. And one more thing is laughter.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, honestly, you know, it's said over and over again, it's the best medicine, it's one ear and out the other, especially when you're in a situation where you don't feel anything can be possibly be funny. It is the best medicine. I think that's why Buddha's always kind of a laughing, isn't he? Isn't he?
SPEAKER_00He's like he's laughing, like, why are you all worried about it? Yeah, look at me. Look at me. I'm I'm eating well. Yeah, I'm not fasting at all. Yeah, I've eaten a few things, you know.
SPEAKER_01Oh Buddha. Oh, old laugh. I had a laughing oh yeah, you know what? Do you know what's funny? You know, do you know what? I I I had I had a statue that was so lifelike, someone came around one day and said, I can't believe that's not Buddha. You'll only get this if you're in England because we had a butter margarine link called I can't believe it's not butter. Anyway, it's a terrible joke. But but I tell you what, in all seriousness, as we wind up today, and and and I do want to do I think a whole podcast on laughter and Norman Cousins and the series Your cousin's Norman. Well, shh, well, and my my my auntie is Pam Ayers. Is she? No, but I really wish she was. Because because you know, if you go now listen, if you go and look up his.
SPEAKER_00It's funny you say that, because in this light, your hair does it is taking on that slightly pinkish sort of it actually makes it look white on here because of the background.
SPEAKER_01It's not actually. But anyway, if you haven't ever listened to the amazing comedic poet Pam Ayers, go on YouTube and find her and and start with Ask My Husband. But anyway, I want to do a podcast on humour in all seriousness. But I also feel I'd like us to do joking, aren't you? I'm not, I'm deadly serious. I'd also like us to do You have a laugh. You're having a laugh. He's having a laugh. Anyway, I'd also like to do one on psychic attack. What's real, what's not, because I know you've got that that book, that famous book, and you sent it to me on you know psychic attack. You did. Oh, right, yes, psychic self-defense. Yes, I that's it. And I do think it's something that should be discussed, and what's you know, glamour and what's real, and how to discern in between. So I think going forward there's two podcasts separately, but I think we should probably do humour next time. Because I'm going on vacation for looking at the time.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you'll be you'll yeah, that'll be good because you will be in a better state. You're always miserable.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I and I'm gonna take my microphone with you. It's like, you know, yeah, let's get one in. Right? This this fit this fit in, right? And I don't know why I'm going East London now, but I feel like it, right? Geeze it, geezer. I see, I said geezer. He's a geezer, right? Anyway, um I'm going to bring Talking about funny.
SPEAKER_00Do you know what I looked at today just briefly? Have you seen the four candles sketch? I have to it's just God, it's just genius, isn't it? It is. Four candles, yeah. It's brilliant. Oh my gosh. That's the thing. You know, when if sometimes if I'm low, I look at that and it just lifts me.
SPEAKER_01Excuse me. Well, you know, absolutely, and there's a couple for me. It's still the Death Star canteen done to Lego animation. Oh, brilliant. Yeah. And then the other one is South African Airways, and the stewardesses are going down, going B4 Cow, B4 Cow. That's that's the menu, before cow. Right, and they come across a vegetarian, right? You know, anyway, I won't spoil it.
SPEAKER_00And then she's she still goes, before cow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, listen, we're we're ending on a laugh and a giggle, and I hope you've enjoyed this um podcast as much as we've uh enjoyed producing it. And you know, onwards and upwards for Doctors No More. We're loving what we're doing, and yes, we create when when we uh manage to connect with each other. We're pretty busy at the moment in life. Um, and you know, I'm I'll tell you what, Gareth, although it's 2026 is not over, I'm very much looking forward. I I have this very strong sense that 2027 is going to be an amazing year for many people and hopefully humanity. And I hope, with all my heart, we get a conference going in 2027 where people can come and see me and Gareth. Um, it might even be in the Doctors No More conference, but it's certainly going to be a conference with fine food, music, laughter, and in between all that jovial joviality, um, some interesting conversation. Sounds good. Sounds funny. Yeah, me too. Okay, this is the Doctor's No More, and it's good night from him, and it's good night from me.
