Stop Being the “Good Girl”: How to Set Boundaries, Speak Up & Change Your Life

What if the life you’re living… isn’t actually the one you want?

In this episode of Girl, Why Not You?, Jennie sits down with divorce attorney, speaker, and author Renee Bower to unpack the pressure so many women feel to be the “good girl”—polite, agreeable, and always putting others first.

But here’s the truth: that conditioning is keeping you stuck.

Renee shares her own journey through two divorces and how she moved from shame and self-doubt to reclaiming her voice, her power, and her life. Together, we dive into what it really takes to break free from people-pleasing and start making decisions that actually align with who you are.

In this episode, we talk about:

•  Why “good girl” conditioning is exhausting—and how to break it 
•  The power of hard conversations and setting real boundaries 
•  Letting go of fear, guilt, and the need for approval 
•  How to stop avoiding change and start taking action 
•  Renee’s simple framework: Stop. Drop. Roll. 

This is your reminder that bravery isn’t something you’re born with—it’s something you build.

And the longer you avoid the hard conversations, the longer you stay stuck in a life that doesn’t feel right.

So if you’ve been feeling pulled toward something more… this is your sign to stop settling and start choosing yourself.

Because the question is—and always will be—girl… why not you?

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Connect with Renee at https://msreneebauer.com/

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, hello, everybody. Welcome back to another great episode of Girl, Why Not You. I'm your host, Jenny Blackwood, and this show is all about the moments when someone decides to stop living the life they think they're supposed to live and start building the one they actually want. Because so many women grow up with a very clear message. Be the good girl, be agreeable, be polite, don't rock the boat, don't ask for too much. But what happens when being the good girl is what's keeping you stuck. Today's guest has spent her career helping people navigate some of the most difficult turning points in life. She's a divorce attorney, international speaker, and best-selling author. And she's been recognized as a woman of influence by Success Magazine. She's also the author of the powerful new book, She Who Wins, which challenges women to stop shrinking themselves and to start choosing bravery. But what makes her perspective so powerful is that this isn't just professional insight. It's actually deeply personal. For much of her life, she was doing everything, quote unquote, right, following the rules, being that good girl. But after two failed marriages, she found herself questioning everything, grappling with shame, doubt, and the realization that continuing to live for expectations would keep her stuck forever. And that, my friends, is when everything changed. Today she helps women break out of that conditioning and move forward fiercely in their lives and their decisions. Renee Bauer, welcome to Girl, Why Not You.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Thank you. That was the best intro I think I've ever heard. Like you're, you should be doing audiobooks.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

That was so I think people on my show are actually starting to really like realize that I am the ultimate hype girl in that intro, and people are like excited about those intros. So I'm glad that you loved it. I am so excited to have you here today. You are somebody who has many different layers, and you have really created quite a life around all the things in your life that maybe didn't go exactly how you expected. So thank you for taking the time to show everybody what it takes to kind of get to that point where you're like, hey, wait a minute. This isn't the trajectory that I actually want. Like, I'm gonna reroute my path. Like, remember the old GPS when it would be like rerouting, rerouting. That's what we're doing. We're doing that in life. So I want to talk to you about something. I want to talk to you about how you talk about being the good girl and having that mindset. And so many of us do grow up with that. So, to you, like, what does that actually look like?

SPEAKER_02 2:37

So that was, you know, it it's it it had many forms. Uh, it had forms of being a people pleaser, making decisions based on what I how I thought people would react or not react, or other people's expectations and what I did with that, and how I let that guide me in business, in my personal life. Um, and I realized that every time I was making a decision from that perspective, it was not the aligned decision. It was not the decision that was actually really good for me. And that in order to make the drop that good girl act and have uh making decisions from a different place, I had to get really, really, really comfortable with ticking people off. Yeah. About having uncomfortable conversations and about not caring about being judged. And that was a big part of it is I didn't want to be judged. And then you start to say, well, why don't you? And who is actually judging you? You know, the people who are not the ones that actually even matter. And so it was this slow, like peeling back layers of where did this come from? Um, I'm sure there's a therapist who has some input there. And if you're listening, let us know. Right? And then like you get to this point in your life in your 40s, and you're like, it's like an awakening of um, and it's kind of a beautiful place to be of saying it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if someone doesn't like what I have to say, or I have to have that uncomfortable conversation, or I'm doing it imperfectly. Um, even today, showing up, I just had shared. I'm like, I couldn't bother on my hair because power went out, I'm showing up imperfectly. And this is just the way, the way it is, and we're still gonna have a great conversation, even if my hair's dirty, you know? And yeah, absolutely. That we don't have to be good girls and be perfect all of the time.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

It's so exhausting, isn't it? To just think about that. Like, if you really think about like, oh, we're not supposed to do this, we're supposed to do that. We're you know, it's just it's too much, you know, and it's really like who came up with those rules anyways, probably a dude, if we're being honest. Um you know what I mean? It's just like, but that's how you grew up. I, you know, I see like it seems like these newer generations are maybe having somewhat of a softening to that, which is great. But there's so many of us out there who did feel that way or always had to feel like shame or guilt, like, oh, I didn't do that right, or you know, even I mean, remember this is so stupid, but I even remember like my family is just very like, nobody gets divorced, nobody lives with each other before marriage, nobody, you know, all these things. I just remember growing up being like, well, I I kind of want to live with this guy before I commit the rest of my life to him. What if I can't stand him? You know, what if there's just things that I can't live with, or you know, but it was like I felt like, oh, but but people are gonna, my family's gonna look down on me. And then, God forbid, when I actually did, get a divorce. Luckily, I ended up being the second one, not the first. So I didn't have to break that seal. But, you know, it's hard. It's hard to feel like you're doing something wrong for just living your life the way it pans out. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_02 5:43

That was and that was a really, really hard conversation when I had to tell my family I was getting divorced, and it was the like, why can't you just be happy? We just had this big wedding. What do we tell our friends, right? Because their their own things that they have to unpack became mine. And that's really, really hard to be that first, that black sheep. Yeah. And um, but there's so much freedom when you start to make those decisions. And then what you realize is the people who love you are like, well, they might not love what you're doing or love what you're saying, but if they love you, they're not going anywhere. So true. And and now you're they're you're almost training them to get used to you making decisions to say this is what the right decision for me. And I'm sorry if you don't approve of that decision. Um you're doing more than just uh making it for yourself, but you're training the people um who you love and who are close to you to maybe have boundaries and what that looks like, and you know, and those that have a problem with it, it is not your problem. That is not your business what other people think about the decisions that you're making.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Totally. I like that you were talking about the boundary thing because you're right. It really is like the things we've been taught are basically telling us we cannot have boundaries, and that is so wrong, right? I mean, I don't I don't know about you, but it's just growing up now, especially you mentioned like being in the 40s, being in my 40s now is honestly, I've never been so clear. You know, I've never been so clear about what I should do or shouldn't do, or actually what I just don't care about anymore. And it takes a while to get there, but we'll get there. So, when do you think that that type of conditioning starts? Like, where do you think that comes from? Obviously, maybe parents, but when does it start?

SPEAKER_02 7:28

I mean, I think I think our generation started with so many messages thrown at us. Like we can just blame the people in our in our house, we sure, but I also think there's messages in media and things that were just thrown at us, which I do think you're right that the younger generations might be a little bit more wiser to some of that. And so we're we're told as women to to shrink yourselves, right? I mean, just start there, that whole concept of about the diet culture and get smaller, and and I mean, I we we I feel like there was a period of time that we came out of that and it was about getting stronger and taking up space and not necessarily just about shrinking, but then I feel like we're kind of going backwards a little bit right now. Yeah, and now we're starting to see like celebrities shrink and get smaller, and now we're sort of back in that that 90s like skinny era. Um, and but I think it's all of those messages in that we think like who what we're supposed to look like, and we're supposed to dress like, and we're not supposed to offend anyone. And because if we do, we're called something, right? Right, right. Assertive, we're called something else, and um, and it's it's it's it's that. And I think that that still exists, it's just what do we do with that from now on, knowing that that message that us being outspoken or saying this is not okay, or having a boundary is not us being a label that someone decides to call a woman when they when they speak that way, but rather it's our we're exercising the our voice and it has, you know, how that is is received is really um, you know, it's it's not it's not up for for us to decide because the right people in your circle, they will hear you. Yes, and the right partners will hear you and they will respect that. Um and it will land very different than someone who's defensive when they hear that message that makes them very uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Yeah. I think that's is kind of what it's about. It's like what you're doing makes other people uncomfortable for their own issues, not yours. And so, yeah, I think just breaking out of that mold and realizing like you're allowed to have boundaries, you don't have to go against, you can go against the grain. You don't have to go with all these societal norms. It's like just be you and what feels right. So for you, you shared that after two marriages ended, you had to confront some really difficult emotions naturally. If you felt shame, you felt self-doubt, and you started kind of questioning some of your choices. So talk to us about what that was like for you. I mean, obviously you're also a divorce attorney, right? So you see this all the time. So talk to us about what that was like in your life.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

So it was um, it's funny because I would um I'd go to work and I have this business and I'd show up and I was doing my job and had what someone might label as a some sort of success, but I was a broken version of myself when I came home. And um I felt um like it was there was what's wrong with me. And you know, the first one, it was different. Um, he it was a different type of um breakdown that happened compared to the second one. And I think the second one, it was um there was such a loneliness and there was such a um uh do I call it desperation, but it it came from a place of like I was missing out a part of my life and fell into this relationship that I probably should have never been in. Um I was ignoring all the red flags and all of the signs. And when I faced that and I knew that this thing was unraveling quickly, I didn't want to face the judgment on the other side of having people say, Well, we told you so. You met this guy and married him within a year, we told you so that you never should have done that, or the well, what's wrong with her if she has two failed marriages? Right. And that was really, really hard to unpack because I felt like a failure. I felt like such a failure. And then you hold up the mirror to yourself and you say, Well, I'm not gonna be a victim in all of this because I made choices. Um, and how do I not repeat this moving forward in my life? And, you know, you start to um recognize the things that came up in terms of being empathetic and trying to be a saver, um, trying to like this particular person, I thought I could save them and fix them. Um and um my own aversion, despite being a lawyer, my own aversion of my personal life, facing conflict head on, yeah. Like that was a big problem. And I realized if I didn't tackle that issue, if I didn't get so comfortable of addressing the really hard things and saying no and pushing back and not being afraid of conflict, that I was gonna end up in this cycle of resentment over and over again. And so I had to get um really good at that, which that trickles into running a business and being a boss and adding employees and realizing those hard conversations you have to keep having over and over again. And so it's kind of a muscle that you flex so that every other one, yes, it might not be easy and it might suck, but we're still gonna have it anyway. Um and I realized that that was kind of the root of a lot of what had happened is because I wasn't having difficult conversations when they needed to be had.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

So hearing that, I totally we've all been there, right? We have all been in those situations. We've all ignored red flags. Like, I get it. But I think for you, like, you know, I can say there's friends of mine that like get stuck in these things and then they just do nothing about it. They don't have the difficult conversations. And I'm like, do you really want to live the rest of your life in misery? Do you really like I have like one of my very best friends, maybe she'll listen to this. I don't know. But um, if you are listening, uh, just know I love you. But the thing is, it's like it's so many years that she just like almost like wasted in her life for not having the conversation. I'd always be like, Well, why? Why don't you just tell them how you feel or tell them that you're sick of this? I don't know, it's just gonna be so uncomfortable. But I'm like, girl, you wasted like years and years and years in your life to avoid that one rip off the band-aid conversation. That's so awful. But luckily, everybody, if you're wondering how that ended up, she's happy now with somebody else. So um she finally ripped that damn band-aid off. I know for sure. And that's always hindsight, right? It's always like, uh, but it's like, I don't know. There's nothing I'd rather live with less than like regret is the worst thing to live in.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

I always say, I'm like, listen, at the end of my life, I want to know that everything that I thought of or dreamed of, I at least went for. And maybe I scaled, maybe I was awful at it, maybe I fell on my face, but at least I can look back and be like, well, I thought I was gonna try to do this thing, and it really wasn't for me, but at least I tried. I don't want to ever look back and be like, wow, I wish I. What could have happened if I put if I did it, if I put the effort, if I had that hard conversation, if I asked the person for the thing, right? So those, those, those hard phone calls that you have that are just like, hey, I I want this. Will you help me? Or like in the raise, the promotion, like all of those things. It's like regret. Like we life is too short to have regret. And I don't ever think that anyone will look back and be like, wow, I really regretted going for it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Really regret it. That was so terrible. You're right. I mean, it's so true. It's like you have two scenarios, right? You either try, and at least, let's just say the answer is no, or you fail, or whatnot. At least you get the closure out of it. I think with that other end of the spectrum, you don't get closure. You always wonder what if, what if, what if, what if. And then that's gonna like haunt you forever. So you're right. Take the dang risk. Try, try, try, try, because the worst that can happen is it doesn't work out. But it's not final, right? The only thing that's final are death and taxes, right? Um, and maybe like, you know, the Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, because I see that might be coming into it now. But other than that, it is just a thing that you're gonna try. It's a new experience, but it's something that could lead to something so much bigger and better. So give yourself the chance. I love that very, very much. So for you, obviously, you went through this. This was very difficult. You know, you're feeling really down about yourself and everything that's going on. How did you and when did you start rebuilding your confidence?

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Um, you know, this is like uh, you have no choice but to plow through some of this stuff. Like that's a moment because I still had a company I had to show up for. I still had employees, I still had a job that I had to do, so I just kept showing up every single day. And I think that it's not like uh you flip a switch and things change. It's uh you just take one step in front of the other. And sometimes it's all you can do is just show up the next day and the next day, the next day, and it slowly heals all on its own. Now, I loved um I when I was truly alone, I loved actually doing things by myself, planning the weekends away, taking myself out to a nice dinner, like just doing the treats for the things that you know, when I was in that moment and made a bad choice, it was like, well, I felt alone. Why? I felt like I was missing out. Well, why? Why can't I do those things on my own? Why do I actually have to wait for somebody in order to do those? And so then I started planning things like that and doing things and signing up for the classes, and then you start to feel you're busy and you don't have time to feel bad for yourself anymore. Um, and then one day you wake up and you realize like they're that you don't feel broken anymore, and you're standing a little taller and your head's a little higher. And and you know, the for me it was the the journey of what that was gave me my voice back.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

And I um so I keynote speak now, and some of the stories I share are from moments that were not my um, they were painful moments to look back at. And my husband now, we've been married 10 years. When I first shared with this keynote with them, he's like, I hate that this person has um has become was such a part of your life and created that pain. And I said to him, I'm like, You're missing the point. I'm like, I took that power back. I'm like, the fact that I'm using that and sharing these vulnerable moments means I own it now.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

I'm not lowering my head in shame, I'm holding it up high and sharing the learning moments from this and the power that I that I derived from what was felt like really, really low. And so to know that when you are at your lowest and when things feel so hard, there's only one way to go. And that this moment at some point, you're gonna look back in the future and be like, wow, I wouldn't change it because it taught me something about myself. It taught me that I have the strength, I have the grit, I had the perseverance. And had I not had that moment of low, you wouldn't have realized what you're capable of or what you can receive.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Oh my gosh, everything, every single thing she just said, everybody. I want you to listen to that on repeat. I want you to listen to it 10 times today because she's so right. I love that you just brought that to the table because it's so empowering. Be happy within yourself, find inner peace, figure out how to do that first, and then you can take on so many more things, and the path will be so much easier, and you will just have better things come your way. I love that you just said, you know, I've been married now for 10 years. You just had to get through a couple of frogs, but you had to learn a lot about yourself. And so, like, yes, on paper, I mean, you had all the accolades, you had everything, but inside you had some work to do still, and you put the work in. And wow, look at you go now. So I want to lead in now. I want to talk about this book, girl. I want to talk about she, who, when. Um, and the message, it's about moving forward and fiercely, right? So, what does that transformation look like? Tell us about this book.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

So, this book, I'm a writer before I am anything else, before I was a lawyer, before, and a lot of people will put out personal development books or business books in order to promote their business. And that was not it for me. I'm a writer. I wanted to have a traditional book deal. And when I finally got the agent after 113 rejections, we uh went a couple years before we actually got the book deal. And when we finally sold this book, I went to my agent and I said, Well, the book that we sold actually is not the book I want to write. Can I switch it up? And she's like, Listen, just write the book and give it to them and don't tell them you're switching it up. They're gonna be happy just to have it in their hands and it'll be too late to change it. I'm like, okay, thank you. And I went and wrote a different book, and I it kind of um, there's a saying, like, there's nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at the typewriter and bleed. And but I was in a place of vulnerability that I had not allowed myself to go in when we sold the book. So this book was taking um still, I'm a storyteller. So taking stories from my personal life, talking about things that I thought were healed that came up for me when I was writing, talking a little bit about um some of what we just talked about on this podcast, along with many other things, but guiding women through the process of making decisions and how to trust themselves and how to not let fear get in the way and then how to take action. And because most people get stuck with their like these excuses and the fear and they want to be safe and they know what they want, but they're not allowing themselves to move past this excuse that's holding them back. And then once they recognize, okay, this is the thing, I'm afraid, I'm afraid of doing this wrong or imperfectly or being alone or failing, then they don't know how to take action. And so this was the framework that I teach in it in a very, very simple way to help women move through that, but I do it in a way that has um a lot of storytelling. Um, some of it's humorous, some of it is um tearful. Um, and so it just really became like the beating heart of um of what what it turned into compared to um how it started. So um, you know, it's it it's uh it's my love letter to women out there to believe in themselves and um even when they're filled with uncertainty, even when they're afraid of failing, even when they're afraid of being alone, um, because not necessarily just Divorce book, but it is just about that uncertainty and challenges and facing them, um, and knowing that they're not alone and that every single one of us has roadblocks and hills to climb.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

So true. Life, you know, is quite literally evolutionary, right? I mean, we are constantly evolving, we're constantly changing, but there is no right or wrong answer. Like, it doesn't mean like because you wanted to do this and the path led you elsewhere, that that's wrong or bad. Like it's just your life. Like it's your path that you're meant to be on. Do you think that like when it comes to bravery? Because I know you mentioned a lot about like us and all these dang excuses we always have for everything. But what is like brave is bravery something that people can build that skill?

SPEAKER_02 22:45

I think that it is a I think it's a skill that um gets easier to master the more that you flex that bravery muscle. I think that no matter what, you are going to come up against something that is going to scare the the you know, you know what out of you. And if it's not that, it's going to be something else. And and once you get over that, then it becomes that next big thing. And so I think that we're always our life, we're always moving the needle of what that is. And so, like for speaking for me was something like like I immediately have this like fear reaction of what's going to happen if I don't do this right, if I fall on stage, if I forget my words, if I like all the things that can go wrong. Yeah. And then I go on, I'm like, well, I didn't die, so I can do this again. I can do it again in front of a bigger audience, and it becomes a just a little bit easier. And then I'm maybe panicking just a little bit less. It's never perfect, but it's just you just keep going and you start to challenge yourself on the the the bigger, the bigger thing that um terrifies you that you say, well, if I could do this, I could do that. And if I didn't die doing this, well, maybe I can try doing this other thing that also um makes me quake in my my boots.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Yes. Oh my gosh, I love that so much. It's true. I I'm curious, with She Who Wins, can you tell us, like, what are the three steps you talk about in the book? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

So um I wanted to create a framework. I've read a lot of personal development books that I'd read it, close the book, and be like, okay, that was cool, but I don't have anything I can take with me. And so I realized when clients were coming to talk to me, they would often ask a question about how do you know when? How do you know when it's the right time to make a decision? And I was walking clients through this process, and I didn't have a label for it, but it was, I was talking to them about, I would say to them, usually, you already know. And it's about tapping into you already know the thing that it is that you want. Now, what's holding you back? All of the money, the kids, the thing that's holding you back, and what's preventing you from moving forward. And so as I started to think about what the framework could look like, I was like, stop, drop, and roll.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Stop and assess what it is that you actually want. Pay attention to what your heart is saying to your brain, and your brain's saying to your heart, and how are you making those decisions? Drop the excuses that are holding you back and roll into action. And so that was the process. And I once I started to um I put the the phases on a name, like it's come up for myself over and over again. And it's so easy. It doesn't require me to write, it doesn't require me to make lists, it doesn't require a vision board. Like I could be driving down the street and just be like, okay, this reaction's coming up. Let me just bring myself through this. All right, what is it that I really want? Let me just stop and think for a second. All right, what's the excuse that's holding me back? Okay, it's fear. I've got to drop that. I recognize it, drop it. Okay, what's the next action that I need to roll into? And so you can do it over and over and over at anytime you come up against something where you feel stuck.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Gosh, what great advice. What great advice to just give ourselves steps that if something gets tricky, we have steps that we can work ourselves through it so that it doesn't just get all jumbly and crazy and then we just freak out, utterly freak out. Um, so I love that. So if a woman is listening right now and feeling stuck in a life that looks fine but doesn't feel fulfilling necessarily, what's one thing that she can do today to start changing that?

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Um get really clear on what it is that they're trying to change.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

If what is it that she wants to change? What is it that she's not happy about? Yeah. Is it the job? Is it feeling stuck there? Is it where is it the relationship? Is it a situation? You have to name it before you can change it. And I think that that's really important is to actually speak it and write it down or just acknowledge it, pull out your phone and write in the you know your notes, like acknowledge what it is that thing is that you are being called to change. And once you can acknowledge that, then you can start to work towards um the next things in order to uh move forward and move away from that or at that crossroads and decide which path to go. But if we just live in this place of um we're we're we're unsatisfied, but we're not we're not talking about it, we're not acknowledging it, and we're just like this is just the way it is, we're never going to move from it.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

So true. So true, and so well said. So if someone listening feels like they're standing at the edge of a big life decision, something they know they need to change, but they're afraid to take the step, what would you tell them?

SPEAKER_02 27:27

I would say that um I would ask them what they're afraid of. What is the worst that can happen if they take that step off that cliff?

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Absolute worst that can happen. And usually it's not that bad.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

And if it has to do with this old conception of being that good girl, of being perfect, about being a people pleaser, then recognizing for what that is, and that's a not a good enough reason not to take that leap.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

That is so true and so powerful. There are just so many things waiting out there on the horizon for so many of you. And you just gotta take that leap. Even when it feels impossible, even when it feels like the worst timing, even if you're scared, the risk is very often worth the reward. And I'm not saying that everything you try is gonna turn out amazing. I'm not saying that at all, but you are gonna learn, you're gonna have growth. You are going to realize what worked and what didn't. And that only is going to help propel you forward in whatever it is you're trying to make better in your own life. So, Renee, for somebody listening who resonated with your message and wants to dive deeper into your work, where should they go?

SPEAKER_02 28:39

So they can grab a copy of She Who Wins. Uh, Amazon's always the quickest way to get it, or they can uh go to my website at Ms. ReneBauer.com.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

I love it so much. If this episode spoke to you and you're ready to stop playing small and start choosing bravery, you can explore Renee's book, She Who Wins. I will be purchasing this. Can we get it on Amazon, Renee? Can it be a it can be a quick here, maybe buy a five to ten tonight option? So, and you could also, again, learn more about her at renebauer.com. I'm gonna link everything in the show notes for you. But to me, you guys, this book, her life, everything that she's put into this, knowing that she's somebody who is giving you real life experience and how she found that peace and growth within herself. She who wins sounds like something every single one of us should be flying to the bookstore or the Amazon add to cart to start reading and to start improving our life. I am so at a point in my life where I feel like I just realized I don't have all the answers. And I want to take it from people like you, Renee, who have been there, done that, and lived to tell the story to help me figure out how to make my life better, smoother, to make myself happier, to make better decisions. I love what you've brought to this podcast today. I appreciate you being here. And for everybody listening to this, if you're looking for a great new read, let's get that book. Let's make big changes. And then I want you guys to message me on Instagram and I want you to tell me something that you learned from Renee's book that we can share that has helped you personally. So thank you, Renee, for being here today. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

And I think you made something really important. None of us have all the answers. There isn't a guru out there or an expert out there that knows, has it all figured out. We're all just kind of on this wild ride together. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

So true.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Please tag me as well if you're reading the book and let me know if there's parts that that resonate.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Absolutely. Well, you'll be getting that from me for sure. Everybody, thank you so much for listening and tuning into Girl Why Not You. I hope you have the most fantastic rest of your day, and I can't wait to talk to you next week. If something in this episode made you sit up a little straighter or dream a little bigger, don't ignore it. That's your future nudging you. I'm living proof that you can start messy, start scared, start in the worst timing, and still create something beautiful. Thank you for listening to Girl, Why Not You? Now go take one small step towards the life you've been craving. Hit subscribe, leave a review if you feel called, and share this with someone who's ready for more.