Ep 12 Jessica Boudreaux and Devon Shirley from Summer Cannibals

Jessica Boudreaux and Devon Shirley from Summer Cannibals come on the podcast to talk about the band's upcoming anniversary shows, the changing Portland Music Scene, and Bay Area Psych Rock. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Oh no. No, Devon wouldn't have been a good thing. Devin Camper. Devin Camper. And just for that, Devin, we're introducing you last. Welcome to Hey Smiling Strange, uh, a podcast uh that I'm changing the name of again. I really thought I'd like the name Unk Slop as a thing, and then I every time I say it, I feel kind of gross. But Unk Slop will not die. I will make something that I call Unk Slop because my lifelong ambition for the last two weeks has been to make mouse pads that say Unk Slop on them and sell them to people. But anyway, I am here with two members of the band Summer Cannibals. Jessica I almost got the first name wrong. Jessica Boudreau and Devin Shirley. I'm a professional You've been to my house! I know you should be able to do that. I'm a professional talker guy. I just I can't names freak me out. I can't remember nouns anymore. I don't know. I'm old and I can't remember the nouns. Uh how are you guys doing? How's everything going? How's it going? Uh prepping for what is this, the 10th year anniversary of your album that you guys are prepping for? What is uh pitch us on all that? We'll do the plug first. That's fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Um yeah, we so this month. No, sorry. Next month is the 10-year anniversary of our third album, full of it, that came out on Kill Rock Stars. Um kind of like the first the first record that we properly like we toured aggressively. Um first record that like, you know, kind of did anything for us, even if it was a little bit. Um and seemed like a good excuse to hang out and play a couple shows and um make Kill Rock Stars make some more records.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

You push the more record button and they they oblige. Devin, how you doing? How you feeling? Great. I've got a synthesizer here.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Yeah. Oh wait, uh, it's not plugged in. But um good. That was yeah, Full of It was the first record that I did with Summer Cannibals, so they had a different rhythm section prior to that. So um, yeah, it's cool. Stoked. I like these songs. I've been playing these songs like for the first time in a really long time, and I was like realizing that I was just like, oh man, I was such a different drummer back then. It's funny to see like the progression like over your ears, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Oh yeah, yeah, that's uh that's always something that's kind of wild. It's like you listen back to the old recordings and you're like, that was a different guy. Why did I make these decisions? You know, and some of it's good, some of it's bad. You know, your ear just changes on that stuff, but uh yeah, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

And I listened to stuff I did in like 2003, and I was like, holy shit, it's like a look a literal different person is playing the drums.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

That's crazy. I like that though. It's like that's my favorite thing with recorded music. They're like these little time capsules that you can just pop in at any point. Uh and I, you know, I love this idea of like, you know, you listen to a song, you can hear the first time you practice it, you can hear the first time you practiced with a band, the when you were recording it, when you were like release show, that's all captured in this thing. So these different spots in time. Uh let's I guess let's take it back to the beginning here, Jessica. How long have you been playing music? Are you from Portland originally? No, I'm from Louisiana. Oh, let's go. That's awesome. I'm from Massachusetts. It sucks. Yours is way more interesting. How long have you been in Portland?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Since 2008. All right. Um, yeah, I feel like I've been talking about this a lot lately. I feel like I moved to Portland at a very special time, kind of just pre-Portlandia. Um the music scene was just absolutely incredible. The, you know, I remember like the first summer I lived here, I was 18, and I went to PDX Pop Now when it was at Returate and Branks. And like I wanted, I'm now I'm trying to remember who was playing, but like Menomina was around, and I don't know, it was just like the coolest. It was just so everything felt so cool and so exciting. Uh and now we're all and I was 18 and I was out of Louisiana, you know, for the first time.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Um yeah, it was did you come here for college or did you not go to college? What was yeah, yeah, nice. I went to PSU. Nice, yeah. Uh, what made you think, like, all right, Portland, let's let's hitch a ride out there?

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Uh my brother is 11 years older than me. Oh, nice. And so him and his wife had moved here. And so when I was 16, I came to visit, and I was like, okay, I'm only applying to one school. PSU. Call your shopping. So random. Call your shopping. Yeah, I'm sick. I'm like, what school is a 90% acceptance rate? Um, and uh, yeah, I mean, it was like I it I didn't even consider anywhere else. I that's awesome. I visited once and I was like, that's where I'm gonna move.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Uh my sister is 10 years younger than me, uh, and 13 years younger than my brother. She came out and visited me in Portland once, uh, visited my brother in New York City, and now she lives in New York City. So we know who she likes more. Uh pretty. Devin, are you are you a local or are you uh are you a transplant as well? I got asked about right in the middle of a sandwich. So uh you guys will be able if a listener can correctly identify the sandwich that Devin is eating right now, you will win that exact same sandwich. So Devin will buy it for you, I promise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

It's like a$13 fucking sandwich, too. So it's like better chew discreetly, then it sounds like.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Don't give them any evidence.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Yeah, um no, I moved here from Denver, I think in 2008, I think.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Same year.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

I don't yeah, yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Something like that.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

September first, 2008. But uh, I believe. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

I think it was September 1st.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Um yeah, from Denver. Um yeah, it's kind it's funny because like in Denver, I love the music scene in Denver, like or when I when I grew up there or playing music there, you know, in like the early 2000s. Um, it's just really cool, like diverse music scene that was like a cello, a person playing cello looping and like noise guitar can play with like a like um weird little indie rock band, and then like a fucking metal band will go on after that. And it was like the whole the scene was just so it wasn't like um what's the word I'm looking for? Like um homogenous? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like super like everyone played with everybody. And moving out here, it was definitely like like that for a little while. And then um now it's like feels like, oh, like this will this fit? Oh, will this fit with this bill? Oh, they all have to be shoegaz bands, or oh, they all have to be um like punk rock bands or something like that. So that's something that I kind of missed from Denver. But when I did first move here, like I just wanted to like reinvent myself as a musician because I was kind of stuck in a rut there. Although the bands that I were in, the band that I was in was really good, like signed to you know, sub of Universal, did tons of touring, um um, did tons of crazy shit. Um, but then I was just always in like these like Q and not U, you know, Thunderbirds are now like kind of like dance, like dance punk kind of genre that I got kind of pigeonholed into. So after I quit my first band, mid-tour, flew home. Let's go. Um that's a team player right there. I got in a I we fucking hated each other, bro. Like me and the lead singer like hated each other so much. He was not a very nice person. Um, but we got in a huge fist fight. Um I was hammered too, but it was just like boiling over, like, and then our manager was with us. We had like a manager from like a pretty decent management company, and she was with us because we were playing in New York, and I think after the show, I was very drunk, and everyone was, but um just started talking some shit, and I was sitting behind them and I like reached up and put him in a fucking chokehold.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

All right, mute is Mike.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Jessica, what is your history of uh starting in bands here? Did you play down in Louisiana? Have you ever put another bandmate in a chokehold?

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Emotionally, um, potentially. Um, I wasn't in bands in Louisiana. I um I I would play acoustic guitar at this place called Brewbachers, um, which had like Poys and Beer. Let's go. Um with my guitar teacher, Miss Boo.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Um that sounds like me making up somebody from Louisiana. No, the Poe Boys with Miss Boo. That sounds like somebody writing a parody.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Yeah, she was my guitar teacher. Um she was great, just really cool. Um, yeah, and then when I when I moved to Portland, um I was studying, I wanted to be a film editor. Um, and so I was doing that in school, and I was making demos in garage band, um, just playing with it for the first time, where like I didn't even have an interface. I would just record into the microphone on the laptop, and I would even like tap on it to make drums and stuff. That's actually kind of sick. Um, and you know, I had some lovely friends at the time who were like, you know, like I'm playing them something for the first time, and they were like, you're playing at our house on Friday. Um, and I was like, okay. And then like played just by myself, you know. I don't even remember what my setup was. I didn't know anything about anything. Um, and then I started dating someone who was in Mark, who was originally in Summer Cannibals. Um, he was in a band already, and so I kind of was just sort of like studying what they did, um, and like learned what a PA was for practicing, you know, like um and like yeah, I mean, I I I just kind of was like a sponge soaking up everything that I could and going to house shows all the time, and I would just watch people's setups to see what I needed to get, you know. I'm like learning, I'm like, okay, and a pedal. I think I need a pedal. Um and yeah, started a band which I won't say the name of because I don't want anyone to look it up.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Oh I think I have a seven-inch in the closet over here.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Devin, if you want to just show us on camera uh real quick for the it's actually not that one, it's another one.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Oh, okay. Yeah, and then there was this this band Pocket Knife, this pop band, who I loved. Um, and I just thought they were the coolest. And yeah, they just made like indie pop really fun. Um, and their keyboardist was moving, and I was like, Well, I I play keys, I didn't play keys.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Um I love saying yes, I can do something to something that I know I can't, and just like seeing if I can keep the poker face going.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Oh, yeah, yeah. So they're like, they're like try out, and I'm like, cool, awesome. And so I had them send me the chords for the songs, and I went through and I taped the names of the notes, you know, on my keyboard, and I practiced like that. Um and then I got in the band. That's awesome. And that was like the first band that I like kind of joined, and I had I had to like adapt very quickly and learn how to, you know. I played piano.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Um yeah, I think that's like uh the way that you're talking about like learning, right? It's like the advice that I always give when people ask about bands and stuff is like, oh, just start going to shows, just start playing. Like you have no idea how much you don't know until you start doing these things. But it's like my first thought is like I remember watching this documentary on how uh they raise kids in the Amazon rainforest in these tribes, and it's like they would just send the kids out as a unit of all the children in the tribe, and every kid looks up to the kid that's like two or three years older than them. They're always just like it's this person that doesn't know everything, they just know slightly more than you, but they're also like well acquainted with what the next step is going to be. Like when you're playing acoustic guitar and you're like, Oh, what kind of pedals do I need, or like how to set up a PA? The guys that you're watching at these house shows, they kind of just figured this stuff out very recently, and so like they're actually kind of the best people to talk about. Not somebody that did it 20 years ago. They're gonna be like, Well, I don't know, I actually don't remember how I got my first pedal. These other people will like they will tell you immediately and with very enthusiastic detail the pedal searching process and all that, but uh yeah. Uh when did you first start feeling like, okay, all right, I am a musician, I'm like a part of the Portland music scene, and uh how old were you? What was the music scene like at that point?

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Probably like Summer Cannibals album too. Oh wow. Um I felt, I mean, and this is I think this is most people, but like um deeply struggled with imposter syndrome. Um and still do. I now I never felt confident about my place in the music scene. I never felt confident about um my skills or what I knew. I always felt like everyone else knew more than me, and I um was just faking it. Uh and like really, really good at faking it. You know, like I'm like, you know, even well, and what's interesting about when I was initially playing music in Portland is I was really young. I was 19 when I started my first band, 19 when I joined Pocket Knife, I think. Um and we would play 21 and up venues. Um I remember like the first like the first time I played Holocene, which was in 2009, maybe 2010, and there was a person standing on the side of the stage watching me. I was underage, my ex is on hands. I'm the only person in the whole show in my band. No one else was under 21, and they're waiting on the side of the stage, they're just watching me play. I walk off stage, I don't even tear down my stuff and they go, okay, come with me. They walk me outside and then they leave me outside.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Like I was not allowed to be in the venue unless I was on the stage. At our album release show, four pocket knife. Um we played Mississippi Studios and they knew me there at this point. Like they knew Jessica's the underage girl. Um I know like you know how Mississippi, their backstage behind the stage, is just like a hallway. Yeah. I sat back there the entire night. And they would come back. The person who was working there was really nice. No, I wish I could remember their name, but they'd come back and they'd be like, Do you need anything? Maybe like, I don't know, maybe like soda water. Um but yeah, I couldn't. I if I was not on stage, I had to be in that back room. That's funny. Um so I think that that probably also contributed to feeling like I didn't belong and like I wasn't supposed to be there because I literally was not supposed to be there.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

I love the the contrast that we've already gotten in this podcast between Jessica patiently waiting backstage because she's not allowed to be at an underage thing, and Devin getting kicked off of tour for trying to murder the lead singer that he now has a blood feud against.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

And it's like I didn't get kicked off, bro. I quit, okay? I quit. There's a big difference there.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Do you think after putting him in a headlock, you'd be like, All right, I'm ready to play the next show? They would have been like, Yeah, okay, that's fine. We can move past this.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

Yeah, actually, because that wasn't the first time that something like that has happened. So it happens you have a good drummer, but you gotta keep him keep around.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

That's true. That's true. That's a valuable asset. I, on the other hand, am what they call a pretty okay drummer who shows up to practice on time, which is replaceable, but also I'm pretty charming. So, like, when where are you gonna get that? Where are you gonna get the long way? Look at Ringo, man, he got to be a Beatle. I know. Um, so yeah, uh, so 19 years old, you're you're standing backstage. Uh, when did you start Summer Cannibals?

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Um the first album came out in 2012. Uh so I probably start technically started it like maybe six months or a year before that. Um I like wrote two songs. That was like kind of I feel like the height of like the like Bay Area garage rock scene, the OCs, and I was obsessed with Ty Seagull. Yeah, I like I I just absolutely fell in love. That was when like oh my god, the lineup at that point for the OCs, like Floating Coffin, that era of that band. I remember seeing them at Doug Fur and just being like, This is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

Um and that's like right in their peak, too. Like I saw them play.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

It was the height of like so, so good. I mean, I shouldn't say that because they're great still, but like um, yeah, I mean, I was just very inspired by that, what was happening down there. Um, and I was seeing a lot, I was starting to see a lot more women, um, especially like coming out of there. And like I remember seeing Ty Seagull with um trying to remember her name. I think her name was Emily Rose, it was like his drummer around then, and she was so good and so cool and so solid. Um, and I like was like, well, that's a first, never seen that. Like it it mattered to me, you know what I mean, to see like this just like heavy, cool band and this woman like just holding it. I mean, to me, holding it together. Yeah. Um, and so I was like, I think I want to try to write rock music.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Time to put the acoustic guitar down to the city.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Yeah, well, I you know, I loved it in high school. I I but I I mean I like it's interesting. I'm looking back on the music that I loved in high school. I loved Metric. I loved like Tegan and Sarah, I loved Block Party. Um, and I mean, like at the time, Arcade Fire, all those like, you know, the huge kind of mid-2000s sort of bands.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Those are the early bands of the mid-2000s, which are all those were yeah, all like coming back now with the kids. Yeah, totally. No, it was good. Arcade Fire was fun to listen to, guys.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

It was good, it was good. And I mean, like, I've been revisiting a lot of like a lot of that music where it's like it's pop music, but it's a band, and it feels like a band. And that's like metric is one of my favorite bands, but like they're not a rock band, but they carry an inner the energy of a rock band. Like they the there's something about the way that they play together that still feels rock adjacent to me. And I feel like that was a really good access point for me with rock music, especially because then ultimately I ended up falling in love with like a lot of like I Black Sabbath and like, you know, I started to get like deeper and deeper into like kind of that era. Yes. Um I wouldn't say metal, but like um Yeah, I I don't know. And the that the San Francisco Garage Rock scene at the time that I started to get into it was like feeling like it carried that pop ethos still in the melodies and things like that. And I that's just like how I grab on to music. I like feel like that's really when it hits me.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

I think there's like there is something uh because I I was never uh huge never like really hugely into pop early on when I was listening to stuff because I thought it was like a cool, sophisticated intellectual. You know, the guy I play on the reels, the the pretend version of me that everybody sees on the internet. Uh and somebody described it to me once as like, yeah, the thing about pop that I I like is like everybody knows that there's you know it's more in line with conventions a lot of the time. Like good pop music is gonna use the chords that like music theory-wise to give you this feeling. So to do something new within a thing that has these conventions that have been like played with and played over over and over and over again, when you do find like a new pop sound, that is like really cool. It's like this really special thing. Like you're talking about like even Ty Sigal has got this psychedelic, you know, uh San Francisco fuzz going everywhere. But like if you took all that away and you played on acoustic guitar, those are still good songs. He just found a way to make something old feel completely new. And now it's like when you're talking about this era of music, me sitting on a porch visiting my buddy up in Skidmore, uh listening to Thai Seagal in the morning before everybody else had woken up as like the morning sun comes up. It's like that is a time and place for me that wouldn't have existed if he hadn't captured, you know, 2009 and put it into a pop convention. So it's like that's what I love about it. It's like it it yeah, I don't know. I've I'm learning to appreciate it more now that I'm uh you know uh unky. Unk. I'm unk as hell.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Bro, you just you're you can't be unk. You're I'm like you're like 28 years old or something. What are you like 30? I'm 28.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Uh if anyone asks, if anyone writes it down, I'm still in my twenties. We got that one on record. Thank you for that. I'm 42 on Thursday, bro. I'm I'm true unk. It's all right. I work with uh high schoolers and middle schoolers. You and I, according to them, we're both the same age and we're both technically retired. I think they think we collect social security. They're very, very mean and very accurate. I didn't know that I talked out of one side of my mouth more than the other side of my mouth until a middle schooler, middle school girl asked me if I'd had a stroke recently. Got him. Oh my god. Oh wow Devin, when did you join uh Summer Cannibals? What brought you into the Summer Cannibals sphere of influence?

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Uh I don't know what year it was. Just you'd probably be better at this than me, but um it was after the second record, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I think it was like 2014.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Yeah. I think um you saw me or we played a show together. I was in this band called Grand Horse, um, and we played a like show at Mississippi, I think, right? And it was one of those like five dollar shows or something. I can't remember. You'll I have a terrible memory.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah, I think the Mercury was putting it on or something.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Yeah, and so then I think we played with um Summer Cannibals, and it was a super fun show, and then um then I think you guys came to another show that we were playing up at Kenton Club. And I think you were recording me potentially. I'm not I'm not quite sure, but because you guys were like looking for an I was like, why are they here? Um I was like they're in a cooler.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

I when you were playing, when Grand Horse was playing that night that we played together, I literally said, I wish Devin could be our drummer because I knew our drummer was having to leave soon. She was like working as a like sci microbientist person.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Um yes, we all know we could do those things if we tried really hard, right? Totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

I mean, not my thing, but you know, um, yeah, I was like, that's the guy. He's a good drummer. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Um yeah, then you guys asked me to play, and I was like, Yeah, sounds good. And then 30 years later, here we are, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Devon's first show with us, he was on tour all the way up until like what, like a couple days before or something.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

I was on tour with this band called Lord Dying. I did like a small stint with this like iconic Portland metal band. They're so freaking good, super hard uh to play. But um, and I don't think I did a really great job. People were like, Who's this fucking like punk drummer in this metal band?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

And I was like, look, it's all I got.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

I don't know how to do crazy shit. But um, yeah, we I remember I was listening to the the songs like on repeat that entire tour and just like trying to get in some reps during sound check or whatever, whenever I had the chance. Um, and then yeah, the first show was with what war on drugs.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Wow, yeah, sold out for the crystal. Wow, you know their crowd hated us, it is it is the least amount of merch we've maybe ever sold at a show, including shows on tour where 10 people were in attendance. Like it was the most brutal. There were it was just a sea of sorry, beards and beanies. Um I know who I am. I'm aware. And they did it. They hated it was it was brutal.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Um played a good show, though.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Played a really good show, though.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

Yeah, fight, you know, love it. I don't know. They didn't they weren't ready for it, I guess. The funny thing is not gonna lie, though, now they're all gonna be at your reunion show and be like, yeah, we saw the back then. Every single one of them that shit was awesome back then, you know. They're gonna change their opinion, you know.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

I was like a huge Warren Drugs fan at the time. I loved that band, and I remember like three songs in, I was like, this band kind of sucks live. What? I mean, I don't care, man. I'm fucking 42 years old, I'll say whatever the hell I want, bro. I do not care anymore. But again, I was just like, they're they're just super boring, and I was like, All right, yeah, you know, you don't dude.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

It happens, man. Some every once in a while, you just like you watch a show and you're like, I know this is good, they're good at their stuff, the everything they do. Nothing is happening for me. I've just, you know, this is one of those shows. Sometimes I'm sitting watching a band in the back, and I'm just thinking about completely different things, and it's just a nice little 30-40 minute break from my life. Uh, because you know it's just not for me. Whatever, it didn't work. And you know what? Honestly, half the time it's probably me. It's probably just me being in a mood where I'm like, I'm not gonna like anybody anymore.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Yeah, for sure. That's most likely that was most likely my attitude. Still is this my attitude to this day.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

But it's like, dude, yeah, you gotta have you gotta reserve the right to place judgment on stuff.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

Like, and what I'm saying is like, how can these fans I'm just gonna start talking shit about ghetto? How can how can these fans Devin does not speak through summer candles, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Devin speaks entirely. This is independent.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

This is an independent uh point of view, not affiliated, but how can these fans watch 30 minutes of youthful angsty rock that is from the heart and from the soul, and then not even care? And then fucking grandpa uh delay pedal sounds like fucking um um I don't know, it's not I want I want to say Steely Dan, but it's not Steely Dan. What does that doesn't matter? But how can they be like, oh, this is what we're you know, I guess I get it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

You it was a record about his like experience with agoraphobia, like which is tight. It we were a weird choice to open that show, to be fair. Um definitely were a weird choice. Like, yeah, it was not, you know, it was not our place, and luckily we have been invited back to the crystal ballroom since. So everything's fine there. I remember uh we haven't been asked to play with war on drugs again, but what's it called?

SPEAKER_03 30:58

And now we're never going to.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Now we're never gonna get that ask again. No, 80 people that will listen to this podcast are gonna let War on Drugs know immediately. Yeah. I remember uh Annie and I played uh a Yellow Room show where we got asked to open for this band Otoboke Beaver, which is this all Japanese girl punk band thing. They are the highest energy band I've seen in a long time. The most fun. If you have a chance to see them, 100% go see them. If you've ever heard Annie's band Yellow Room, it is soft, slow core music, and like we learned a um a sparkle horse cover because we're like, we need to play another rock song, or it's gonna feel weird that like uh we go from us to them. The crowd was very nice, they're very enthusiastic. I don't think they wanted to necessarily see Yellow Room. Uh, but unlike you, we never really made any merch, so we didn't have numbers to check how much they hated us.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

So, Summer Cannibals, uh we're in like 2009, 2010 era here, only when that second album comes out.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

What was it like it's gonna be like a five-hour long podcast, bro? We're just like we're only one year in. We'll speed running one year in.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

But like, so when it starts kind of picking momentum, when did you start to feel like, all right, like this is kind of something special? People really seem to dig it. I really dig the my songwriting, I'm assuming, at that point. Uh and like when did you start to feel like all right, we've got like some momentum here. Let's kind of go for it. Or or were you going for it from the very beginning?

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Yeah, you know, um, no, I I mean I was very like I think we had played like three shows, and I was like emailing Ty Seagull's fucking booking agent, and like, you know, any literally I would guess email addresses. I'd be like, book agent. That is awesome crystal ballroom.co like guess. Um and I would I did it, I I was I have I have ADHD that's unmedicated, so I hyper focus and hyperfixate. Um, and I also have OCD, so I you know, I'm just busy, busy brain. Um and so yeah, I mean I was pretty relentless, and actually goes back to the crystal ballroom. Um this was before the we're on drug show. Um around the time that the second album came out before Devin joined. I think maybe we had done like one little short West Coast tour, but like really we had not toured much. Um, and we got asked very, very last minute to open up for this band churches at the crystal. Um, and they were touring their album, their first album, The Mother We Share, which is a huge album.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Um big band for a while. Huge. I don't want to be talking shit about anybody that has done things that I could only dream of doing. I just haven't thought about churches in a while.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah, yeah. They're great. I mean, I think they haven't put out a record in a few years, but um, Lauren, the singer, put out a solo record that's really great last year. Um, but yeah, I like we I think we got asked like four days before or something. Um and we played the show. It was awesome. It was like a sold-out show when we got asked to do it. They were just looking for like local support. And um, like maybe two days later, got an email from the band's booking agent being like, Hey, like Lauren really loved your set and like thinks y'all are great. And we actually have some shows in a few weeks that don't have support. Um, would y'all want to come do them? And it was like a string of Midwest shows, and they were like all sold out. We got to do two nights at First Avenue um in Minneapolis, and like it was very, I mean, talk about imposter syndrome. I'm like, what the hell happened? Like this is so crazy. Um, but like the response, the response from because I was like, we don't fit with this at all. It's a a full-on synth pop band. And like I think because the energies matched, it yeah, it didn't feel wrong. Um and it definitely like lit the fire under me where I was like, because I I realized that there was gonna there was nothing like touring and playing and getting in front of new people. Like I was like, oh, this is the way. That's awesome. This is the way, and I remember like having moments with people at these huge venues, these old guys who had worked there, you know, for fucking decades, and then being like, We're gonna see you back here, and I'm like, You didn't, but you know, um, we're not gonna put out the light on any of these optimists out there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

The guy the guy believed in success in other ways.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

That was such an amazing telling the story of like this uplifting thing so great.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

I mean, 90% of the content that I make is is basically built around the idea of like, hey man, at some point I thought I was gonna be a famous rock guy and do this forever, and I didn't, and I'm still happy. Like, this is good. You know, I like that mentality. It's like you guys are I look at Summer Cannibals and I'm like, my god, dude, what a successful band. These people are such a fucking real deal. We thought it was so cool when like, you know, uh Annie played with you during your uh your your solo set short show. We're just like, oh my god, she's like the coolest.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

So it's like you know. Well, you know, I've actually I've been thinking about around this tenure thing and us doing this like a couple shows around it. Like, I'm like, what does success mean to me in this context? And like, you know, I have gotten to do stuff in music the last few years, um, that like yeah, it's not what the goal was. Like the goal putting out this, right? I'm like, I want to be selling out shows all across the country. I want, you know, like I'm like, and like it's interesting when you're at that place because we were also getting a lot of kind of smoke blown up our asses from people being like, you're gonna be huge. Like, okay, and then you're gonna sign with us, and then all this stuff is gonna happen, and then this is gonna happen, and then this, and it's just gonna take one tour, and everything's gonna blow up, and like, you know, it was like I was hearing it all the time, and I was kind of like, I don't totally believe you, but everyone keeps saying it, so maybe it's true. Um, and you know what? I'm not I'm not sad that it didn't happen at all. Um I feel really grateful for the way that it went, and I feel really grateful that we've been able to come back to it, me and Devin and Ethan, and like do it in this positive way that doesn't feel like everything is riding on it, and we it needs to be successful. And now it's we made a record last year that it was like literally it does not matter, like how people respond to it, doesn't matter what it does, it doesn't matter if it gets on a label, doesn't matter. Like we it was the first record that the band has ever made that I think genuinely was exclusively for us, like and like that feels really nice, and it does you can't always do that, but we can now because we've we've been able to change what the band means to us and what it is and what role it needs to play in our lives.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Um you kind of reclaimed the ownership of it. It's like you have all these people chirping on you and being like, all right, the band's gonna be this, gonna be this, and they they're just trying to carve a piece of this sort of band identity. And then at the end of the day, it's like the band is the music you make with your friends, and it's like that is it. So being able to at least have like that moment where you guys get back together, you know. I feel like I talk about the Beatles more than I thought I would, but like Abbey Road was them all just going, like, dude, the band's over. Fucking let's just go back to that one studio, just do it one more time, because it's d you know, we can't fucking stand each other at this point. But there's still this thing, the band, there's still this like real thing that happened, and it's like I think that's what people like with that album is that they hear the same thing from the Beatles that you were talking about right there. They just made an album for themselves. You got to make an album for yourself, and like we were talking about earlier, it's like that captures now when you listen to that album, and every year you listen to that album, you'll be able to hear the whole story of the band Summer Cannibals, right? And the whole story of just that album or just that song, like it's all kind of captured into this sort of little fucking talisman that Spotify will let you listen to, but never pay you for putting on your site, and you'll never get paid for it. But like they'll let people listen to you.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

We live in our Facebook memories forever on the MySpace pages of your uh Devin.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

What did you feel like when you got into the band? You guys started playing. Uh it sounds like you've had more, you've done a lot of other bands, a lot of other genres of music. What was it about Summer Cannibals that got you excited? And like, did you buy into the hype? Did you think, like, oh man, we're one tour away from me being being the guy now?

SPEAKER_03 41:09

I mean, yeah, I mean, it it was awesome, you know. Like, I mean, the bands I was in in Denver, the band that I was in in Denver was like super successful, like um, but you know, out here, the the other bands that I started when I first moved out here, like we were doing our thing, um, and I enjoyed playing the music with those people. They were my good friends, and we made really cool music, but it never I never got back. I was trying to get back to that level that I was at in Denver, like in terms of shows and tours and stuff like that. Um, and you know, when the Summer Cannibals like songs, I liked all the songs. I was like, it's a cool band. Like it totally was exactly what I was looking for to like get me out of like the um like um predisposition or what pre-ce pre- what what preconceived you got pigeonholes, yeah. Sure, yeah, pigeonholes preconceived disposition, which is not right at all.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

It's a pseudo-intellectual podcast, like we're not actual intellectuals, we just pretend to be on the reels and on the podcast. That's why I have a pen. Oh, too.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

I grabbed a pen because this makes and a notebook.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

These glasses are barely prescription. I just don't like the circles under my eyes. That's vanity, it's all vanity.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

But yeah, long story, long story short, is um yeah, I mean, it it was fucking awesome. Like I loved playing these shows, I loved playing these songs, um, writing and like recording full of it down in we were we recorded it down in Sacramento with um this dude Chris Woodhouse, who did this wand record that we were I wasn't particularly like obsessed with this wand record.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

A lot of the Ty Siegel stuff, a lot of the OSE's record. Like, yeah, he's sick.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Yeah, he's like he did a lot of like he did like all of like John Dwyer's stuff, and so we recorded with that him down there. It was so fucking fun. It's like this cool, weird studio. Um, I was obsessed with this is just a slight uh detour. I was obsessed with this video game called Destiny, yeah, and I was like literally obsessed with it, bro. Like I couldn't stop playing it, and so I brought my PlayStation 5 and a computer monitor down there because we were like staying in, we were like living in the studio. There was like this like little janky, like super dusty loft. Like the first thing I did was like, we gotta clean this place.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

But um second thing, like I need my video games, yeah. I need a clean space and somebody get me some chicken tendies, and I'm gonna be over here until it's drum time.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Oh, yeah, because that's a nice thing to get we got drums done pretty quick, and then I was like, sick, I'll be up in the loft plane. Destiny, let me know if you need me, which I kind of slightly regret. I should have like hung out in the control room and like learned something instead. I was like, gotta get that sniper rifle that I really want. It was important at the time, but wasn't important at the time. It was important at the time. But um yeah, that was super amazing. Um and then like yeah, just touring can be like hard, you know. It's not it it's it's it's like so ups and downs. Um and I don't care about like I mean, maybe I say this now, but I don't really care about like if there's a bunch of people or if there's not a lot of people. Like I just like we've played some fucking bangers to like 12 people that were so fun, you know? And uh and then we've also played, you know, to a thousand people and was also fun, but like those little like shitty hole in the wall venues, I like I love that shit. Or like it's just my it's my jam. I mean like and and the energy that we have on stage when especially during that time when we were just like like we were you know just on it. Um we were always on it, like you know, like even with when Mark and Jenny were in the band, like we were just on it. We've had like you know, a rotating door of cool different guitar players. That's really been fun. Like, I love that personally, like being able to play with all these different people, and then um like Jordan, you know, your friend Jordan's like he's welcome to the Jordan Krinsky Extended Universe, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

He uh specifically told me hates the name Jordan Krinsky Extended Universe. So this is me uh just stamping it. Uh I'm this is what I'm doing. I'm calling it that. Uh the JKEU. Welcome aboard.

SPEAKER_03 45:22

Yeah, but um, you know, it's cool, it's awesome, it's amazing. Like we've got to do I've got to do some cool shit with with summer candles. We've got we've accomplished a lot of cool things and um, you know, had a lot of hard moments, had a lot of great moments. Um, but like the one thing that really is just like the the pinnacle moment for me as a musician, period, uh, is we got to tour, we got to do two tours with cursive. And cursive is literally my fucking one of my favorite bands, bro. I got a cursive tattoo, dog. You can see that right there, dog. I got that when I was like 16 or something, like 18 or something. I don't know. Oh, that's the best. And um, and like you know, we got we were on tour with Titus and we were in the green room, and Jessica's like, oh shit, hey, uh, this isn't confirmed. I don't want to get you super excited, but we're getting asked to like do a cursive tour. And I was like, oh my fucking god. It was like if like Radiohead asked us, you know. I mean, oh man.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

And dude, I just uh last week, uh like a couple days ago, uh Lou Barlow from Dinosaur Jr. and Sebado uh like retweeted a video I did about one of his songs, and it just says like Lou Barlow liked your reel. And I'm like, that's wild to me. That is exactly what you're saying. It's like radio. That is my favorite musician. I know it's whatever, who cares? I'm a huge hipster nerd that has like an obscure musician or whatever. But it's like these little things that like if you didn't do music, if you didn't play in summer cannibals, like you just it wasn't a total impossibility, and then just having something become go from a total impossibility to like actual reality is such a life-affirming thing. Because now all of a sudden it's like, all right, I kind of have to reevaluate so many of the different things in my life that I consider to be.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Yeah, it's crazy. I remember waiting out back of like venues in Denver, like the like the Fox and these like iconic theaters, waiting out back like by myself for like cursive to come out and like you know, like a total torque or these are just these are just dudes, right? And I remember like Tim Casher came out one time and I was like, hey, big fan, or whatever, and he was just like, hey, and he's like, I got this, I bought this crock pot at Walmart today, you know. Like, I'm gonna start doing using the crock pot in the green, you know, just and I was just like, so cool. And just to be able to like go on tour, become friends with those people, you know, was just incredible. I mean, and and like lots of other bands, obviously, but that one's just like you know, when they come through town, they text me like yo, bro, come to the show, you know. I'm like, holy shit, this is just so cool.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

So um, yeah, it's when meeting your heroes works out.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Um Do you have a Meeting Your Heroes story from this band, Jessica? Or worst case scenario, what is like what was the uh the biggest moment so far with the band that was like, oh my god, this is actually happening for me right now. I can't believe this is actually happening.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

I don't know. I get I get like a I get flashes. Um I am I feel like I don't know if this is this is not a cool thing. I love Jack White. Oh, I love Jack White too. Yeah, I love and I have like he's part of who I studied when I was learning how to play guitar solos. Um and we got to play with the raccours. Oh, that's sick. Um and yeah, I Yeah, that would flip me out. That would like flip me out if I got to play with the stage watching them, and um Cassie, who was in the band at the time, was like Jack turned around and was walking to the back of the stage, and Cassie went like this, and he started like laughing, and he like smiled at us and he turned around. And I was like, what a crazy moment when you kind of spend years studying someone and then we're standing there, kind of seeing them from that. Uh, and then I mean, like we we played a festival um where we played right before the OCs, and John Dwyer, I remember like halfway through the set turning around and seeing him just standing on the same like side of the stage watching us. Um and then afterwards he was like, that was pretty cool. And I was like, I know it's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

I remember that festival too.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

We met a lot of cool people. Yeah, that's sick, man. I mean, to me, that sounds to me, and I guarantee you to a lot of the people that end up listening to this podcast, they're gonna hear you say, like, yeah, we didn't really make it, and be like, what are you talking about? That is making it. That's like, do you know how many people picked up a guitar and just wish they had one moment where it's like then? So it's like I I don't know, that's just that to me, that is really cool that you guys got through that. It must be fucking weird prepping for the album re-release or whatever we want to call it, just the anniversary thing, and just like what's it been like getting back into this space, coming back to this band, getting ready to play an album that's been out for a long, long time that's probably just like so integral to your own life that you don't even really think about it as something that like could not be in your life, if that makes sense. Uh, has it been fun? What are the vibes like? Uh, this is kind of a soft pitch for like, hey, tell us about the show you guys are gonna play and how fun it's gonna be, and uh go out, we'll all go out together and see it.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

It feels great. It feels great to play them. I feel like um, you know, there's a lot of um reasons to feel anxious, to feel stressed, to feel, you know, disconnected from everyone, you know, like I really genuinely, and I like I see and feel that need and desire for catharsis kind of maybe more than I ever have, um, which I didn't really expect to come back for me. I kind of thought like maybe I had outgrown my desire to just like scream and like play guitar as loud as I can, like let shit out. Um, but this record is like that's the record for that. Like, that's the record for being like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. I'm fucking pissed. I'm fucking like I'm louder than you. I am louder than you, I am you know, I'm in control because I think that's what I wanted to feel so bad at that point in my life. Um, yeah, I mean to me, I'm like, yeah, I like this is exactly what I want to do right now because I want to play these songs with a bunch of people like who also want to feel that catharsis.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Um and Jessica promises that she will say fuck you to every single person that comes to the show. If you come from on stage, she's gonna say, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, every for all 350 times, and that's a promise that she can keep that she definitely wants to keep, and it is uh this podcast is entirely legally binding, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Everything that is said on this podcast is legal. I have a notary just off screen, uh, who's going to confirm all of this. But also, it's like, I mean, that is uh that is the biggest thing that I I feel a lot about music scenes, about like playing in these shows, about going and seeing, you know, any band come through, especially if it's one that you have any sort of personal connection to. It's like, dude, just sitting in a room with people, listening to a song together, even if you don't sing along, even if you don't get in the fucking pit and mosh around, like you will feel mo less insane, weirdly enough. Just standing around people who are all enjoying the same thing that you're enjoying, and you know, I I drift off my brain's I can't focus on anything. Uh but like just that experience, it's like that's what I'm thankful for. And there are literally times where I'm like, why the fuck do I go to so many shows? And the answer is that my wife is in a lot of bands. But why do I go to so many shows and it's like, I don't know, and then when I like take a step back from that and I I take it in its entirety, it's like I go to all those shows because it's like that is it's like a spa almost. It's like it's this very calming thing, it's this very connective thing, it's a very communicative thing, and it's like I'd much rather have the problem of like every time I go to these shows I talk to too many people and it's exhausting, then I don't know what to do with my free time, and I feel like I can't talk to anybody. And it's like that is a huge thing. If you're thinking about going to shows or doing anything or starting a band or whatever, just go do it, man. It'll it'll make you feel better, it really will. So I promised you time to talk about a song, and one of these days I will get better at uh figuring out the format of this podcast where we can talk about music that I pro I tell everybody, I'm like, hey, prep a song, prep an album, we'll talk about it. And then I'm like, we'll just start talking about your experience in music, and we are 54 minutes in this. But you picked a song, Tibetan Pop Star by Hop Along. I responded as a uh as a world-renowned music influencer, right? Somebody on the internet who talks about music every single day with a level of authority. I told you I have never heard of this band or this song ever in my entire life. Because I'm an idiot and I stock it's wild that I am the music influencer of all the people I know because I know the least music. I know my bands or whatever. I don't know any of this.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Beatles, Beatles.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Literally, you talk to eighth grade Kyle, and it's like he was listening to a Beatles album every single day, and it's like that's probably 50% of my brain space, is that I still know all the Beatles lyrics. Like, I know any song you can probably pick it, and I'm like, I'm probably outside of like we're not talking about the Beatles right now, Devin. We're talking about uh Hop Along. Yeah. Jessica, tell me about the song. Pitch Me Outta. Tell me like why uh what does this song mean to you? Uh, and like a quick pitch on like if you haven't heard that band Hop Along, this is why you should listen to them. You get to influence now.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

Um we so I've been a fan of Hop Along for a long time, but we were lucky enough to tour with them. Um another, I mean, we got so lucky that like pretty much everyone that we've ever toured with have been the coolest people. Um, down to earth, kind. Um, I'm so I get very, very excited when someone has never heard Pop Along. Because I I'm like, prepare yourself to hear a voice unlike any voice that you have ever heard. Okay. Like Francis is like a once in a generation, once like I like the most special vocalist that I have ever heard on recording and that I have ever seen live. It is um Tibetan Pop Stars is I mean, I would say probably their most popular song. There are references in that song where I'm like, I have no idea what the hell this means, and I don't care at all. It is like it's heartbreaking, it's emotional, it's cathartic, it's almost manic. It's um it it's a breakup song, and it's just there's a point in the song where she says that no one deserves you the way that I do. And then in another part of the song, she says, My love is average. And I just I think that especially now I went through a big breakup a year ago and I've revisited a lot of songs that like maybe hit one way for six years, and then completely different. And this song is one of them. Um the band's incredible. Joe Reinhart is uh does most of the recordings, he's their guitarist. Um, he's in um Algernon Cottwallo. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

I opened for them a while, but they were the coolest guys.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

I was like, oh god, how do I say it? Um he's incredible. He's so nice. Yeah, he makes my solo record, an incredible engineer, incredible guitarist, um, very special. Francis' brother is the drummer, um, and hop along. And yeah, the record's called Get Disowned. I think it came out in 2012. Um, just like the most important band, like one of the most important bands to me. Um, and live it hits just the same as it does on the record, which is really impressive to me because the record sounds fantastic. Um and I'm really excited for you to listen to it.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Do you feel like uh this band has had can you hear your own, can you hear yourself being influenced by Hop Along in any of your songs? Like, is there anything where you're like, that was me trying to do this, or is it just I can't even touch this band?

SPEAKER_00 58:47

I can't touch them.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Oh, I love that feeling.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

I mean, oh my god, can we edit that out?

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Um, that's a clip now. Um like I said, misgendered them.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

That's all um I can't edit that. Okay. Um, yeah, no, I can't touch them. I um I wish that I could. Um but I do think like lyrically, I I that's like the number one way that I've tried to grow as an artist over the years, is like I I'm constantly wanting to be a better lyricist. Um I feel like it was my weakest point when I started playing music, and I feel like it's the thing that has been the slowest to catch up.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Um, so I'm very, very inspired by uh like Francis is a really great painter, a really great artist, and there is uh so are you, Jessica? A painterally an artistic quality to them as a lyricist, um that I'm really fascinated by and I'm very affected by oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

I mean, uh a lot of a lot of music that I really like. I I call it like uh a subgenre of music for English majors where it's just like the writing in it is so good that even if it's just G C D, I'm like, I don't care. This is this song is gonna live in the back of my head forever. Um but I kind of agree the same thing. It's like every time I've in my own writing, like writing lyrics, I always do it very end at the very last part of it, and I'm always just like, this is I hope nobody's listening to what I'm saying. It's like always my hope, that thought process. But yeah, it's something I wanted to get better at. I think a lot of people have gotten that feeling as well. They want to get better at it. Uh yeah. Devin, you uh are you listening to Hop Along as well? Do you have the same uh reaction to it, or is this uh this is just a Jessica band?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:49

Yeah, I think I mean I I love that tour, and like they're incredible musicians, um, and I like like their music, but it just doesn't res it's not something that resonates with me, like to the point where I'm like actively seeking out to listen to it. I like weird, dissonant, dark shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

You're dark for the moody, you're the yeah, the brooding drummer in the back just uh bringing everybody's vibe down.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

But like uh yeah, I I like I mean, they're yeah, no, it doesn't I I can say that I've never listened to an entire hoplong record. Not because uh you know, but it's just like not my thing, you know. Um but their drummers damn good.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:34

There's a lot of bands I have like that where I'm like, I actually like it every time I listen to it, but like this is a weird thing. I'm I'm genuinely not sure if anybody else does this, but there's certain bands that I'm like, I like that band every time I hear it, and I actively don't want to seek it out because I like those moments where like Annie puts it on the car or I hear it at a party or something like that, and I go, Oh yeah, I like this band, and it's just this, it's like it's an event that happens to me more than it is something that I like seek out and do. And then every once in a while, those bands like that. I did that with YOLA Tango for years, and then at one point I'm like, Alright, let's just let's see how much I like Yola Tango. And the answer was, I really like Yola Tango, listen to him constantly. So but just like not sometimes I feel like there's this urgency, like, oh I like this band, I gotta go seek it out, and I gotta go devour every bit of meat off the bones on this thing. And sometimes just like knowing in the back of my head that like that's always this band I can go get if I ever run out of new stuff to listen to. Like, I know I like it, I'm just waiting for the right time to really dig into it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:35

So yeah, I think that might be most likely the case, honestly, because I just I don't know, there's just I get fixated on certain like bands or certain alb or certain albums, and it'll it'll be like you know, like right now there's like like three bands I'm obsessed with that I'm just like umrika space. Nope, never like this, they're they're so they're so amazing. They're actually coming through here in April, but um, they're from the UK. It's U L I R U L I R U L There we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

The dyslexic spelling. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

U L R I K A S P A C E K, Eureka SpaceX. That band's fucking amazing. I've been like obsessed with them. Um this band called Stove. I think they're no longer a band. Yeah. But uh so like that, I I'm like, I found this band randomly, and I've just been like, I can't stop listening to it. Like all the records, like every single record. And then um the Jor uh the drummer uh in Stove, her name is Jordan, and she she has this band called um Um Jackal Onassus. Oh, I've heard of that. And it's so good that she has there's this one record that they have that it's like just so freaking good. Um so those are like the new ones that I've been super obsessed with, and they're not really that dark or dissonant. They're like I think they're all kind of from I don't know, they're like China loud shoe gazy pop. Yeah, kinda, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Let's go for the loud shoe gazy pop. Uh well, y'all, it's been an hour. That's I don't like to keep people too long. Thank you so much for all of uh the time and all that information. I I Jessica, we've known each other for a little bit now, been floating in different circles, and I didn't really know the history of your band, so it was really fun. I like that, like when I get to ask people stuff, and they I actually like learn more about them uh through this podcast. We probably wouldn't have had this conversation otherwise. I think it would have been weird to do that in the back of like Annie Miranda's birthday party and be like, and yeah, let's get through your history of music real quick. But uh I'd be like, interview me at this party. That was a fun party, and I just I just remember being so hungry and being like, This is the best party snack food I've had in so long. Somebody had some sort of dip, and I was doing that thing where I'm like, I know I'm eating more than my allotted share, but I literally cannot stop myself from doing this. Uh and I wish I remembered other things about Annie Miranda's birthday party, but all I remember is like, I don't remember anything I did or said to her. I just remember the dip.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

I'm a big fan of hosting.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

I like to make, I like to cook for people. Well, uh I appreciate it thoroughly. Uh anytime you want to throw uh a party just for me to come over and eat stuff, I got it thoroughly. When is the record re-release? When is the show? Anything else you want to plug here at the end?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:32

April 11th at Mississippi Studios and April 18th at Sunset Tavern in Seattle. Oh, nice. I'm two thirds, yeah. And then um I don't know. We're gonna our record, new records gonna be mastered. So if anybody wants to pay to put it out, um we'll plug that here now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:53

And it is damn good. I'm not gonna it's really good. Like, yeah. Very excited for people to hear this element hand like holy shit. And whenever I listen to this record, I'm just like, oh my god, we did something really cool here.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

I'm really excited. Obviously. And like, let me know. Oh nice. See the extended universe. Come on, man. Um and yeah, when uh when the stuff comes out, let me know. I'll post whatever I can on my little uh Instagram account and see if it has any ability to actually drive people towards listening to any music or if they just want to listen to me talk about modest mouse constantly over and over and over again. I'll do that. Whatever. Uh thank you guys so much for your time. Uh and yeah, I'm really excited to see you guys play uh in April. So um I don't know how to end podcast, so I just keep saying podcast, podcast, podcast, and podcast and the beetle.