TRR- Episode 7 "Good luck with your career"

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SPEAKER_01 0:24

Welcome to the regime report. I'm Sitchin.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

I am Drew. And I am Raymond. All right. Now welcome back to episode what we said, seven, right? It's been a little bit. It's been a little bit, but we are here. Pardon y'all for the wait, but we are here and still going back. I appreciate the support we've been getting on every platform. Thank you very much. Um, yeah, keep liking, subscribing. And yeah, let's get into it. Now we're just talking about basketball right now, right? Do y'all still ball by any jams?

SPEAKER_05 0:57

No, no. I have a job, and unfortunately, uh even playing basketball on the weekends isn't a luxury for me anymore. Uh, I work out in the house when I have the chance, uh, and then I watch TV um, you know, you know, with my wife and stuff like that. So that's pretty much how it is. Uh, as far as watching basketball, I'm at the point in my life I'm just watching the playoffs at this point. It's just, you know, I've just been a busy person. Yeah. Still a Knicks fan.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Adulting. Adulting. Were you always a Knicks fan?

SPEAKER_05 1:29

Yeah. Unfortunately, man. Dude, I've been around since when Isaiah Thomas was running the uh the organization as the GM, and they've signed Marlbury, and I was like, oh, this is cool. They were still losing games left and right, and then they had scandals and all that shit, man. Dude, um, as far as a Knicks fan specifically, there was a specific moment where they lost like almost every fucking game. It's not even a joke. Like, it felt like they were never gonna win a game, and then all of a sudden, it's always around like Martin Luther King like weekend, because you know, we we would go to the games with like Martin Luther King Day, also. But you know, you have like a player like show up, talk to the fans course, and be like, you know, we know we've been going through a tough time, but we're gonna do this for you, we're gonna win this for you, and then they lose the fucking game. Like, so that's how far back I'm a Knicks fan. Like, they're doing great now, but I'm talking about the early 2000s, the mid-2000s. It was almost embarrassing to say you were a Knicks fan. So, and as far as Knicks fans, last season, they should have they they should have just dialed that energy back because I don't know why you you're naming streets after players when you didn't even like make it to the to the to the NBA finals. You made it to the conference finals. Yes, I know I'm going off the rails and we're talking hip hop. No, no, no. This is a breach. Yeah, so what happened was Did you know about that's it?

SPEAKER_01 2:50

What? About what they beat the Celtics that was their championship.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

They beat the Celtics to play against the Pacers, and because we were in the conference finals, they're naming streets after uh after players that are currently on the team. So you had you know, you had Josh Hart Boulevard, and you had um, yeah, yeah, yeah, you had Jalen Brunson Avenue and stuff like that. And it's like, dude, we we gotta try to make it to the finals at least, or like win.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

And you know, unfortunately, it's like the dramatic fashion, the most time though, to be a Knicks fan now. Like that's that's why. You know what I'm saying? Like they are so banking on it because like you said, it's been misery for all of this time, and it's like I'm not and I'm not a Knicks fan very long time. Still, the the hype, the hype is real. I mean, you see it, you hear it, you know what I mean? So I mean it's I I I get it, but but I understand what you're saying too.

SPEAKER_05 3:40

Yeah, yeah, it's it's like it's like it's like, oh, we're almost there, and then something happens where they're they're jinxing themselves, so they need to figure it out because we're in the postseason, they made the playoffs that's great for them. They they won the end tournament um, you know, championship. That's not the Larry O'Brien trophy. So at the end of the day, they gotta figure out what it is to win. They thought they were gonna be like number one in the East, uh, the Celtics. Uh they didn't have Jason Tatum all season, right? They they still managed to score high. Uh last season, you know, they were playing against Detroit. They almost lost to Detroit in the playoffs, the Knicks, because each game was a close game to begin with. Like, I'm seeing like little things left and right connecting the dots where I'm like, these guys need to figure it out and know how to stop the bleeding before it starts. But um I'll digress. I'll stop right now, man.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

Let me move on. Sit up, man. Who's your team, bro? Who you going for?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Man, I'm gonna sound like a front runner, but I am a Celtics fan, um, which is very weird because I'm a diehard Yankees fan, so everybody's like, how can that even be possible? Um, I was a Kevin Garnett fan, truthfully. So, like, growing, I mean, growing up, you know, being around the Nets and everything, I was a Nets fan, but then when like, you know, I started to like really learn about all the players and everything. Um, I was a big Timberwolves fan because of Kevin Garnett. And you know, I liked old uh Sam Cassell when I Spreewell was my favorite player back then for a while. He got traded to Minnesota. Um and then I just kind of followed Garnett when when he moved to the Celtics. And um actually, you know, that's when I got to I got like shook Ray Allen's hand and Paul Pierce at like the games, you know, little kids so excited to like meet all these players. Um and it was just really cool. And I just kind of always stuck with the Celtics. So had nothing to do with any of the past stuff, but really it was Kevin Garnett. So that's where I'm at. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

I'm with you, yeah. What about you? That's when uh the Celtics had uh Rondo uh Garnett. That's when I was on I was on Celtics band bandwagon with that one. Ray Allen Rondo, he's one of my favorite books.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Crazy, crazy seeing Ray Allen play live like that. I mean, it's just it's I've never seen a sweeter shot, honestly. Like I just haven't. I mean, it's just I mean curry maybe, curry maybe, but other than that, I mean you just you look away, you just hear the net wherever you're at, like in the spot. I mean, it was just nuts, just nuts.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty cool. No, me, I I keep it old school. I'm a Chicago fan. Um, yeah. I still got with all the Robin talk, Pippin, Michael Jordan, yeah. So this this wasn't out of nowhere, really. Well, we had the Nets. Listen, when Jersey had the Nets, uh, of course, I'm representing, but now, I mean, not I'm not not doing the Brooklyn, no. I'll stay back with Chicago. Oh, I was also a rougher Austin fan, by the way, too.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

Grave Austin?

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Yeah, Ray First.

SPEAKER_05 6:37

Skip to my Lou. Yeah, Skip to my Louis, Ray for Austin. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

That sounded familiar and I couldn't, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:43

He he was the only one. He was the only one from and one that made it to the pros.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

Yeah, nobody else, you know, uh made it professionally to the NBA but him. Uh and that and one mixtape with him, it that first and one mixtape was just him predominantly dribbling the ball, doing crazy tricks, you know, crossing people up, very smooth. It looked like somebody described it as um it looked like he had it looked like he had a string on the ball. It was just the way he was bouncing the ball, just effortlessly, man.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

And and it it wasn't even I like the say you saw the the first and one mixtape? You had a two with me, bro.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Like what I like about that, it was not like all like the what you call it, the crazy tricks, like the fancy, you know, like oh, like you know, hot sauce and whatever. No, it's just straight up the dude just had handles. That's what it came down to. He had handles. No, he maybe traveled here and there, like nothing too crazy, but you know what I mean? Like he just balls.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

Yeah. A lot of carrying to a certain degree.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you when you do this, yeah. Well, you see that now in the NBA, bro.

SPEAKER_05 7:59

You see all over the NBA all over the world. Oh my god. The travel violations are crazy, man. You can take like 16 steps.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Like 16 steps, like for real. Not 17, but 16 for sure. You can do it. Yeah, like what are we doing?

SPEAKER_05 8:14

They call Melo with that, Carmelo, Carmelo Anthony, they caught Giannis with that. Those are the two ones I can think of because those are funny. LeBron, yeah, LeBron.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

LeBron.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Um, with that Euro step, Luca be doing that too. To an extent.

SPEAKER_05 8:29

It's weird. It's weird because that Eurostep, it's not really, it's it's not really a travel, but it's like a certain drag in the foot where it's yeah, that they're not really detecting the pivot. But then that extra gatherer step, I'm like, oh come on.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

It was like, all right, not that's just three steps. By comparison, MJ's jumping from the foul line. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, right? All right.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I know.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Damn, that bull seems like no, bro. Alright, I'm I'm I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. No, but even um and last time I was like, yo, let's go. We you know, we got that, was uh Rose when he was on there.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Yeah, that was no tough.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Oh that was tough. Butler. Right. But all the cats were on there.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yep. I thought he should have won. He should have won one thing. He should have won.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah, yeah. Ewing, we saw about AI didn't win. We talked about that one, AI not winning. Uh Hewing, Rose definitely should have won one. Yeah, a lot of great legendary players that definitely should have had a ring that don't have a ring, unfortunate. But hey, it was good to watch.

SPEAKER_05 9:51

Nowadays it's uh them figuring out if they're at a point in their career where they can get as much money, great, and then there's points in their career where they establish so much that they just want the ring. Um, I think a good example right now, even though it's not really working out um the way he's expecting, uh James Harden. Harden harding was hopping back and forth between like so many teams, changing his style of play. You would have thought, you know, they would have got a ring or something, or at least made it to like uh another level. We went to the 76ers, that didn't work out. He complimented Joel Embiid, he went to the Clippers. Um to be honest, I don't think I think the Clippers are cursed, to be honest. Um Doc Rivers cursed the Clippers, but um he also went to the Brooklyn Nets. I guarantee you, those guys did not get hurt, they would have had a championship. They would have had a championship. Yeah, because he had tired and he had the rent. All three of them, if not hurt, it was definitely like COVID violations and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

I was um I was talking to Serge about that the other day, actually, and he was like, they they played a total, I think he said something crazy, like five or twenty-five.

SPEAKER_05 11:04

Yeah, all three of them on the court together, yeah. Naively.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Yeah, yeah, all three of them on the court together, which is why they haven't played that much together.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Yeah. I mean, I mean, I know they were young, but I was actually shocked because you know you had you had Durant, you had Westbrook, and you had Harden all on that Thunder team when they first came into the league. And they I thought, I mean, they hit the what they hit the finals that one year. I thought they was about to run that deck, and it just didn't happen. I was I I really thought those three would have won together. I was happy to see Durant actually win. I just wish he had done it a different way, but at least he still got his right. I think that's very nice thought like that. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Like, hey, get yours, bro.

SPEAKER_05 11:40

Harding broke out, they get it fine, and he ran Houston.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

Yeah. Harding broke out and then he ran Houston for that time. And you know what? I remember when he left, and um Charles Charles Broccoli specifically thought he was getting overpaid for leaving uh OKC. One of the things he mentioned was like he might he might not get this opportunity again to be in the finals. And he probably he said something across the lines that he was overpaid. Hardy was dropping 40 every night at that point. So obviously, like, you know, Houston got their money's worth, you know, putting a player like that and he separated himself from six man to a superstar, which was great for him.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Uh he was coming off the bench in OKC. You're right. That's a good point. It's a good point. He wasn't even starting.

SPEAKER_05 12:24

Yep. Wasn't starting. He was their secret weapon because he came off the bench, everybody else was tired, and he, you know, has that talent. So, you know, will he get a ring at some point? I don't know. Because I don't want to say the you know the doors closing, but you know, players are getting much older, even though they're relatively young, if anything happens to them. But you know, that's just not how the game is, man. All things considered, too.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

If Chris Paul doesn't get hurt that season, they may win that championship that year. I'm just saying. That was that was a really good Houston Rockets team. Paul and Paul and Harden together were really, really good. They they might have gone all the way that year. That that was unfortunate too.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

Yeah, it's tough because Chris Paul, Chris Paul versus Rondo, it it's it's it baffles me. I mean, well, not the fist fight, but it baffles me that um Chris Paul has so many stats like compared to Rondo, but Rondo got two rings over him. He got one as a Celtic and he got one as a Lakers. But for some reason, when I see Rondo play, and I think it has to do with the fact that he did play with the Celtics with Ray Allen, he played with Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, he was able to be kind of more of a complimentary player to help you know these styles of play uh excel because this guy was a facilitator. This guy was a great facilitator while he was on the team. He was a, in my opinion, he was a very great facilitator when he was uh playing with the Lakers and they won that championship. I honestly think if they would have kept the same team that won, like in, you know, in you know, the COVID bowl, whatever you want to call it, um, the bubble bowl, whatever, the you know, whatever they want to call it, because some people want to discredit that championship. I I honestly think if they would have kept the same players, they would have repeated. I think LeBron would have repeated if he would have kept the same team that won um, you know, uh when he won with the Lakers.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Yeah, it's fair on you. You might you might be right.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

And I and I'll tell you why. They had taller talent. They had taller talent. They had JaVel McGee, who at this point was a very well-established uh uh big man. Where would happen to McGee? I I don't think he's in the league anymore. They had Dwight Howard, who was, you know, well established. He he was, you know, he he didn't really need that much minutes. All he needed to do is just protect the paint, you know, grab the rebounds and score in the post. They had Anthony Davis. At that point, Anthony Davis doesn't need to play in the block anymore. You know, he could shoot threes. You see what I mean? They had these big three guys. You had Rondo, who's a facilitator who could pass the ball, and then you got LeBron. You see those five individuals right there, you know, and then what three of those guys are gone. You only got, you know, LeBron and um and uh was the what? A D. LeBron and A A D. And then they had um, it wasn't I don't think it was Austin Reeves at the time, but I think it was um Caruso. Yeah because Caruso won he won it with them, and then he won it last season with with OKC. So they really had like something there, and I don't know. I I just think you know the you know, they just you know, people didn't want to work uh on keeping them together, and then that's what happened.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

What do you think about um and again, these are for both of you guys? Um what do you think about um LeBron when he brought in Brony? Bronny? Brony? Bronny. Bronny Brony. That's his cousin.

SPEAKER_05 15:50

That's his cousin. He said LeBron Brony.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

We don't talk about him. That I thought it was I thought it was cool. I mean, I think um LeBron is kind of on his way out, obviously. I think he might stay a season or two too long. Um, but I get what he wanted to do. Um, you know, um and he's still it's not like he's not producing. I know he's not producing at the same level, obviously, but I mean he's you know he's still important. Um but I thought it was I thought it was cool. I mean, you want to play with his son. I mean, not many people get to do that.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Um the first ones, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Uh in NBA, I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. Uh it's happened a few times in the in the major leagues, but uh uh baseball. But I think that was the first time in the NBA. Um so yeah, I thought it was cool. Again, I think he's you know, maybe this might be the last year, perhaps. I don't know. Has he already has he has he didn't say he was gonna retire yet, did he? I don't think so. Not to my knowledge.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

I didn't hear it, but you know, it sounds more serious if it's brought up in conversation. I remember one year he was hinting that he might retire. And then at the SPC he's like, I'm not retiring. And everybody was like, we know, like there was no surprise. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Yeah. It's like we know. So at the same time, I think he's gonna announce it. I don't think he's it's gonna be like a surprise thing. So maybe next year. He likes the attrict.

SPEAKER_05 17:17

Well, I mean, he'd have to be. No, no, it's I think it's Bryce or something like that. I gotta I gotta Google it now. I gotta google, I gotta search up LeBron's sons. That sounds crazy. Umly when you say it like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Yeah. You know what's crazier? Imagine being on, like, you know, y'all on the road and everything, and then like you see LeBron come in with like free women. So that should add.

SPEAKER_05 17:50

Uh so we have Bronny James, Bronny James is 21, and then Bryce is 18. If LeBron could hold out for at least two more years, there's a small chance we might have LeBron James, Bronny James, and Bryce James on the court all together. Now, will it be in a Lakers uniform? I'm not 100% sure. Uh, because LeBron, you know, wants top dollar. You know, people still buy his jerseys, and whether he's an old man or um, you know, or or or not, I mean, you know, he's gonna be getting older. But you know, he's still gonna perform on the court and he's you know, people come to see him. That's pretty much what it is. So will that happen? I guess we gotta just wait and see at this point. But I heard that uh Bryce uh style of play is a little bit more natural, and it almost resembles kind of like how LeBron was when he came out of the league at 18. Just you know, the way he was um, you know, because you know Bryce is almost like 6'6, Brawny's like 6'1, 6'2. Like the stature and the build, you know, it's you know, you could tell the difference um when you see them, but you know, it's we only gotta wait and see at this point.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

You know, that that's why I always, you know what? I always said that uh LeBron, being that his build, like you said, like a stature, he came in like a at like 18, the dude looked like he was like 42. You know what I mean? Like in big though, like you know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, yo. And it's one of those things where people always say, Oh, what he can he make it back in you know the 90s era or whatever. And I think he's gonna have difficulty if he was back then.

SPEAKER_05 19:31

I don't I I I disagree. Because I'm not the biggest LeBron James fan, but I've heard since day one the people that he played against was like, oh, this guy could play. Like he was the real deal. He in to his credit, he lived up to all the expectations. The only thing I kind of wish I saw was like a bit more rings, uh, because we do, you know, determine people's success by getting those championship rings. Uh he has four, he has a ring with three different teams, which is not an easy thing to do. But when he when he was a rookie, you know, he even the vets were like, oh, this guy's the real deal. So I think he would have lasted, you know, if he played in the 90s and the 80s, too.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Like physicality, that's what I'm saying. So like he would run over these cats, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

Like without a doubt.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Today he's he's running over, but even when he first came out, he's he's more he still mowed him down. Because again, he was an explosive player and he's just a big dude, right? He had a football build, too.

SPEAKER_05 20:27

Yeah, he played football in high school.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

You you put him against like like Carl Malone, Barkley, Rodman, you know, it's always Rodman. You're gonna have issues, you feel me? Um the Admiral, you know what I mean? Like all these cats, like they're gonna get what you're saying. I'm not saying he's gonna be he would be trash or anything like that. No, he's still gonna be nice with it, but it's just you won't see as much of a domination as you would see like today. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

I think he would just be a different player because and I mean I admittedly, I'm not like I'm not uh into the NBA as much as I used to be, but um, to me, I feel like LeBron is way more of like a get to the basket kind of player. You know what I mean? Like he's he's big, he's kind of like a freight train, he gets his speed going, you really don't want to step in front of him. You're kind of just like, all right, brother, go ahead, you know. Whereas like back when, like, you know, when and really you're comparing LeBron to MJ, not really to Kobe, but when you're talking about somebody like Kobe who was, you know, tall, maybe not as like built as somebody like LeBron would be, obviously, he could get to the rim, but he also perfected that step back, that jump shot, it, the three-point shots, you know. I mean, LeBron, I'm not saying LeBron's not a shooter. I personally don't find LeBron to be a Kobe type shooter. I really think he's more of a like, you know, bully his way to the rim, get fouled, dunk it, you know, get get in the paint kind of thing. And like you're saying, I think he would have a tougher time doing that back then with with how physical things were. Even MJ says how how they would. They're like grabbing them. They're holding them, you know? And yeah. I mean, LeBron's a big guy, but I mean, you you can't even breathe on somebody now they're calling a foul. You know what I mean? So I just uh different time. I I think you're right. I think I think he would be he had success, but I think he'd be a different kind of player. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 22:16

That's a good point. I think he would have like no choice but to adapt and just play more aggressive because the talent is there, you know, and it's very is very crystal clear. Um but you know, credit to LeBron. His he he progressively got better throughout the years, and you know, when he started out as that player, kept getting to the basket, attacking, dunk highlights and everything. Um, and now he can definitely deliver and he delivers stuff like that in the in in the playoffs when he has to get to the basket. But he he has a three-point shot, he has more range in his game, you know, playing back to the basket. Um, and he's a more complete player, you know, than ever because of how long he's been playing the game. So because he's been playing the games for so long, he's in situations where he sees the play before it happens. I'm not sure if anybody's seen the um the Iman Schumper stories where he's just calling the the opponents' teams and their play that they're about to run. And it's like he's like it's like a game of chicken. He's like, Shump, they're gonna, they're gonna cut, you know, the guy's gonna go there. When the guy goes there, you're gonna cut. I'm gonna pass him, I'm gonna pass you the ball. And then like, we'll give you a perfect example. It's the Celtics, the Celtics running that play. The Celtics guy on defense, he's like, It's like shit. So it's like he's almost daring him to go for the you know to double up so he could pass it to Shump because he knows that what that's what they're gonna do. So as far as like, you know, um, you know, like mentally how he how he approaches the game, I think a lot more players need to pay attention to that because um, you know, that that's pretty much what builds the longevity in the game. You know, if you if you know how to read the plays, you know, you first of all you're gonna prevent turnovers. Uh you're more likely to um be better on defense as a result. And you know, when it's down to the wire and when it counts, it's gonna be more exciting games to watch because you know uh you know, LeBron had his moments where he made buzzer beaters also. So yeah, with that being said, yeah, I think he's more of a complete player now. It's just that he's older.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Very high IQ. Yeah, very high IQ.

SPEAKER_05 24:28

Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Look at us, just talking about sports now, man. We just do anything that we want to do.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Versatile.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

But uh versatile children.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

Uh you want to keep a celebrities, their children.

SPEAKER_05 24:50

Well, I guess because we mentioned LeBron, and then we mentioned LeBron, Bronny and Brian.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

Right, right. Yes, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 24:58

Okay, so I guess we're gonna just just talk about the painter that painted okay, all right, all right. So keep a little hip-hop, just a little hip-hop. Yeah, just I mean, see how we segue it and you know, six degrees of separation and stuff like that. So a couple weeks ago, there was this painter, I forgot his name, but he what he did as a kind gesture, he drew a picture of the baby's kids as a gift for him. And where does he give this? In a club. And I'm like, in a club. I I don't know this guy's name, but apparently um uh a lot more celebrities and hip hop artists know him, and you know, they they appreciate the work that he does. Me personally, I don't I don't know you. Like, I I I don't know you from here, I don't know you from there, and I'm pretty sure this is how the baby felt because he said it himself, I don't know you on a personal level, and honestly, it's kind of creepy that you're gonna be meeting me for the first time and draw a picture uh uh uh of my offsprings, first and foremost, and we have no established relationship. He met him out of the blue, like you know how crazy that sounds? And um, I thought that was just fucking weird to be honest. Like, bro, like you don't know me, I don't know you. If we had an established friendship, relationship, um, and you wanted to do this as a sign of respect, I get it at that point, but it doesn't feel like it's a sign of respect. It really feels like it's almost extremely uncomfortable. Uh, me personally, that's how I feel about it. Um yeah, but Sitchin, did you hear about this?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, the the one thing I don't really know is like where so he he paints a picture of his kids. What like he's seen the kids before? He's met the kids, was there a picture of the kids? Like, how does he know who the kids are, what the kids look like, like all that kind of stuff. Do we know any of those details? I don't even know what the baby had to do with that.

SPEAKER_05 26:59

So you see how creepy this sounds, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Like, how do you know how my kids look? Right. That's why I'm asking. Because that's that's kind of what makes it creepy. Like on one hand, like, all right, this is what he does. He's he's well known in doing such things, maybe not to this type of degree, but like he's known he does this. So just because you know the baby doesn't know him necessarily, I I wouldn't necessarily get very like all bent out of shape about it. However, these are these are the questions that I that I want to know, right? Because that that is super weird. Like, again, I don't know what the baby's kids look like. You know what I mean? I'm not I'm certainly not going to search what they look like either. So, so how did you know that? And then you went and you make a pick. It it can be kind of creepy. So I I I do side with you to that extent. Um I there's more information that I need to know to make a much better assumption about things. Um, but from just the way it looks on the surface, um, I get what he was trying to do. Like I understand, but I I think there was a better way to do it. I I do think it comes off kind of creepy.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, like like Ray said, uh, the club atmosphere, not the place you want to have your picture of uh your your daughters, right? Like oh yeah, and it was it was his daughters, it was a you know it was his daughter's fair. That goes to show you too. Like, again, like sis said, like, yo, now now the whole world knows that I have kids. You know what I'm saying? Like now we we're making this a thing now where they're out there, and now like you know how crazy people can get, you know what I'm saying? You just put them like in danger. You feel that's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

Yeah, you no, I I get what you mean. You you mean more attention on them unnecessary? A lot of these celebrities want to keep their kids um sheltered and give them a normal life, you know, because to be a celebrity, you don't have a normal life. So you're trying to you know provide the best type of normal life you can for them. And a lot of these people are put in a level of um you know notoriety, a lot of uh a level of um uh all eyes that they have on them, and what happens is um if he brings unnecessary attention, a lot of unwarranted attention, and they're doing this to try to have a specific lifestyle to for their kids to be better off. And if they're getting unnecessary attention, unwanted attention, you know, that could damage child long term, you know, because they're not growing up, they're not gonna be growing up in a normal life. And they their parents are trying to give them the best normal life that they can for them.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

So, I mean, that's just my there's also to a degree a certain level of precedent for this kind of thing, too. Not like identically, but like like for instance, I know it's a whole it's a little bit different, but you go back to the whole John Eminem thing, right? Where he's they're mentioning his daughter and saying nasty things, like, all right, that's intentional, right? You're saying nasty things in an attempt to get at him, to hurt him, it's uncomfortable. So that's that's one side of it, right? But that that sets the precedent in the sense that just leave the kids out of it, man. You know, like you could have painted anything on that picture. You could have painted you, you you could have painted you and your crew, you could you could you know what I'm saying? You could have painted you with your arm around them, you know what I'm saying? But like why you gotta bring the kids into it like that, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's it's weird, and again, like like you even if you're not famous, you don't want people to be to be doing things like that. You know what I mean? So like it's just I don't I don't get it. You can make these stick figures, yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Oh no, yeah, it's it's definitely a weird look up mom. Yeah. It's yeah, like I don't know. It's just the principle of the matter, yeah at the end of the day. It's like, yeah, you definitely it's like I said, it's not that serious where I'm like, I'm about to choke you out or anything like that, but no, it's like all right, bro, have some common sense, you know, a level of respect. Like, don't unless you're my like my my people's or anything like that, or we discussed something prior, like, oh dude, can you uh make a portrait of my my daughters? Blah blah blah, you know what I mean? Like, no, don't don't be drawing them a nutton. It's like yeah, like to like where'd you get the picture at? How do you know what they look like if I'm not that makes them more weird?

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

So two things there.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

You're either one, and I know you're just drawing a picture, but one, you're either staring at his kids, or you have a mental image of his kids, and they're both very bad. So I don't know. It's not winning in that one.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

Yeah, it's it's it's a it's not a it's a lose-lose situation. He so the baby more than one instance, he's he's respectfully said, look, if this is what you do, I get it, but this is not for me because you know he brought his family up, take it down, disregard it. But you're gonna see a different side of me because I'm a father. And he pretty much he's protecting his kids. So the moment I read that online, I'm like, okay, I know exactly where he's coming from. He wants to protect his family, he wants to protect his kids. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

No, look, now you throw it in garbage.

SPEAKER_05 32:02

Yeah, draw them on like stage rapping or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Right. Don't these people have like their own people that like can talk about these types of things, you know? Like, and I'm not saying like age it necessarily, but like, you know, hey, I want to do this thing for right, or for for this artist, right? Like, I want to do something nice for him. Like, what should I draw? You know what I mean? Like, don't you don't you have people to like talk and guide and and do things like that? I don't I don't I don't know. I feel like it could have all been avoided somehow, obviously.

SPEAKER_05 32:31

Yeah, so yeah, but think about it like this this guy's a stranger walking up to him, showing him a portrait. It's like, well, what?

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Like well, that's that's what I mean. So like if you're well known in the industry, that's great, but like if you're that well known, then you must obviously have somebody that probably knows you know the baby that can you that will tell you, well, he would more appreciate something like this. Or like you want to get his attention, do something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Clearly, ain't nobody was gonna tell him paying his kids, you know what I mean? So I I don't I don't know. Missed opportunity. Oh, you're right. You know what I mean? They could have been fred. Damn it, they could have been fresh.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Yeah, right. And like, yo, yo, John, what should I be at the baby? Should I pay his kids? Like, yeah, then he should. Like, no. He he painted that conversation is weird.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, just think about that.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

Like kids, no, dude. No, it's uh but whatever. He he definitely at the end of the day, he approached the wrong. I'll say that's a he approached the wrong. I don't think there's any malice, uh bad intention behind it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

And I do I do agree with what Drew was saying. Yeah, I don't think there's any malice, but I I think he needs to think twice next time if he's gonna try to kiss something as a kind gesture. But at the same time, you know, this guy's makes his living off of creating art, right? Just like how an artist makes music, he's just making paintings. So yeah, I think he you know, I think it's just a lesson learned at this point for him.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

I agree. Yeah. Continue with the music industry.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Um something I came across uh I came across the other day, right? Uh a good friend of mine, right? Someone I've worked with uh music that um he's making something right now, right? And it's it sounds amazing, like it sounds very it's a whole concept song and everything. So how are we gonna do this? I'm gonna record it, you're gonna send me a B? What's happening? And he was like, No, I've already got your part here, blah blah blah. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. Read off it. Because it's his is it's his art, you know what I mean? So I'll read off it. That's fine. But I'm still waiting, like, all right so we're gonna do a studio, like what's up? And then yeah, he was like, Oh no, um and they put me onto this this AI app, right? He's like, No, we could do we could do everything from here. So I'm like, that's interesting. And I'm not sure how I feel about that. Like, because that's my people, I'm I'm gonna look into it and you know, I'm gonna do it, it's fine. I didn't want to see what it's more uh what's it about, right? The app itself. But then it got me thinking, AI just in music in general, it's been it's been uh uh a big thing just blowing up. You know, I mean people writing having lyrics you know written down for them, producer, like producing tracks that you know no producer. I've done that before just to test it out. Or like what type of yeah, like what type of song, what type of beat you looking for? Oh something melodic, blah blah blah, and they'll come up with something dope. You know what I mean? I saved one or two, I'm like, it's interesting. Should I use this? You know what I mean? But it definitely streams line streamlines the the whole process. On the same note, do you think that uh it takes out some of the soul from the whole process?

SPEAKER_05 35:56

I personally think so. Um we have people who are embracing AI more than ever, and I understand the benefits, but there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of negligence uh when it comes to AI. I'll just keep it strictly for music, music, music specifically. Um, we're recreating vocals of people who are no longer with us. Talking about Tupac, talking about Michael Jackson. Um, you know, you want to hear an Elvis song that sounds modern, you know, you could got an AI tool for that. Is it the best thing to do? I honestly don't think so. I I really think that's not cool. Um, you know, we're ready using technology to pitch the vocal, um, you know, our our vocals so we could sound uh like we're in key. And a lot there's artists that are not in key that really can't sing live, but we have that technology. Now we're gonna have the technology to, you know, make songs for people who are no longer with us or make songs on behalf of another person that when they were never in the studio, you know. And I think um, you know, that that's more for just uh propelling just like um some type of status symbol, uh some type of celebrity or or a pop icon, and I think it's gonna have uh negative ramifications in the future. Just me personally. I think that.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Um yeah, I mean I I my my line of thinking is is pretty much in line with with uh with Rey's. Um do you see this with I I will keep it music industry too, but you see this everywhere, right? We're we're really living now in an age where we we really truly don't always know if something is completely legit or not, right? I mean you see stuff online, you're like, well, is that is that right? I don't know. It looks like it could be right, but you don't know. And then, you know, it's not perfect. You see, yeah, there's some like blurred stuff sometimes, right? Like you can tell. Yeah, you have a few fingers in front of the face.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

But it, you know, it's like, I don't, I don't know. Um, I feel like it does take some of the creativity. I feel like there's um, you know, there's an intellectual aspect as well, right? Like even with schools now, schools with with papers and and homework and things, you know, um, very big on eliminating the whole AI component because it it eliminates your your creativity, it it eliminates a lot of your outside the box thinking, and a lot of it is just you know, pulling from all avenues, jumbling it together. Okay, well, that in itself can be creative, I guess, but is it really a new idea? Or is it in a new concept? Right. And so I know, you know, a lot of a lot of other things obviously are influenced by by its you know predecessors and so on and so forth, but I I just I feel like it jumbles it up. I feel like it's really hard to tell, you know, what's creative at that point and what isn't. Um so yeah, I I definitely think that it's it's gonna have some type of negative effect in the future. Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:56

Now I did sorry, no, no, and Andrew, I want you I want you to go back to that. I'll just kind of circle back.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Play uh devil's advocate. Even though my my thought process aligns with you guys, I'm gonna jumble it up real quick. This might actually be more beneficial for the artists, well, and this artist because you're not doing studio time, right? Or having like the actual proper equipment, right? So you're saving thousands of dollars there, thousands of dollars there for beat making, you not getting a producer. You can make your own be online for like one dollar, you know what I'm saying? You subscribe saving however much that's gonna be and then I'm gonna do a crack your record. That's gonna I that's gonna definitely be helpful for that independent artist moving forward. But now coming back to our I guess collective uh mindset on this is that you're losing so much of what makes making music like amazing. You know what I mean? Anytime we were in the studio together or you know, writing something like the whole process in itself was just great. You know, it w got your mind work. The creativeness was there, the juices were flowing, and yeah we lose that if we continue to use AI the way it's being used um to create music.

SPEAKER_05 40:29

Yeah, I uh I agree. Yeah, that that creative component uh is something that makes the music uh you know worth listening to, even for songs that are much older or past their time. You know, I like to listen to songs from any genre. I like to listen to songs from any time period. You know, there was a creative component. Somebody had to sit down and write, whether you're working with a bunch of writers or you're working, you know, you by yourself, whether you're working with a bunch of other uh musicians, you uh it it was a collective group of people working together to bring this um I don't want to say it's a product because that's what that in the industry that's what it is anyway, but you know, it was a collective group to bring uh forth this artwork, that's and that's what I want to call it. And when you're utilizing AI, okay, there is some cost benefits, uh, but at the same time the the creative output uh is is minimal. And you know, even though back then it was a lot more creative output, you know, to offset that use utilizing the AI because you could get a more of an outreach, it it really it doesn't sound like like a zero-sum game. Like it really sounds like it's it may or may not uh work to your benefit, it might work to your detriment because that creativity, which is the most influential, is um being diminished. Now, I did say a lot of negative things. One of the cool things that I really did like about hearing um or seeing like AI implemented with some of the music, um, you know, that people would like take songs like like what if many men was like from the 50s or something like that. And that's AI, man. Nobody's singing that, but I it was pretty cool to hear it, you know, different styles of specific songs that we grew up, you know, liking or and that we like now. I thought that was very um, you know, like very cool to see, you know, definitely, definitely fun. Another thing that I saw, uh, there's a specific person uh on IG which was utilizing AI to make music videos of uh of songs that you know didn't have music videos. So um one of them was Damien from uh DMX. Damien DMX tells a story uh that he makes uh friends with a guy called Damien, which is pretty much you know um uh another name for like the devil, because you know, you know, if it if you know, you know, another word for the devil's Lucifer, and then his son is like Damien shit like that. But he's talking about how he's like slowly immersing himself into this uh you know, this like mob like you know scenario where he can't get out of it, but then in the song, he's going back and forth playing different voices. In the video, you get to actually see that who's this character, Damien, that he's working for and stuff like that, and that he's tasked to do these things that he doesn't want to do. I thought that was really cool, and you know, DMX is no longer with us. Um, but then there's another cool one um brain damage from Eminem. He tells a story about you know getting his revenge on uh on a school bully and stuff like that. So you actually see that uh thanks to AI, you know. Yeah, you know, now would Eminem feel some type of way? We don't know. The guy's like, hey, use my face. Like I I don't want you to use my face. It was a cool um approach and intent because it was a creative music video, but the guy who Created this, wouldn't have done this without AI. And I wish I knew you know the Instagram page because I really thought it was a cool approach, respectful approach, also. But you know, that that's some benefit with it with AI.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

I'll add real quick, I'll add another video on and re more recently too. Is uh Jay Cole's what if? Pock and Bingie.

SPEAKER_05 44:19

Oh, I didn't see that. No? No, I didn't know they I didn't know they did that.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

I sent it. I sent it to y'all.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

Yeah, well, yeah, you might have. I'm gonna send it again. You know, sorry, buddy, send it again.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Let me go back to the uh no up there. You know what?

SPEAKER_00 44:34

I need that, yeah. One more time. I need that.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

We're running out of time right now, but listen, I'm gonna resend it. Let's let's do that. Let's let's talk about it on the on the next episode.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Also, just just real quick, sorry, like it just when it comes to the AI stuff, like I guess to an extent too, like the whole notion of of smarter, not harder, which you know also goes the same in in other industries as well. Like you want efficiency, you know, not necessarily easy, but you want to kind of eliminate all the corners that you're gonna bottleneck or chip up on, right? So I guess to an extent, like you guys are saying, yeah, AI, you know, can help with that and it can segue into better things. But I mean, the three of us I think can sit here and agree. I mean, you know, we all we grew up working together, obviously, writing stuff together. I mean, we'd be sitting in rooms just listening to the same instrumental, trying to find one online or something, you know, Twilight's, you know, putting together or something. We'd just sit in there writing and spitting it to each other. And, you know, I understand like that might be it's not like old, old school, but it's like a little bit of an older thing to do. They might not be doing that same thing now, but but that was what it was all about, right? Like I was just getting together with with my guys, you know, and just writing some stuff and saying it and having some fun, you know, and and seeing where we were going with it. So I I I also I I think it takes some of that element away too. And you know, that was a big part of it for me. It was a big reason why I got into music like that. And I I had a lot of fun staying it with y'all, you know, and I I feel like that's just it's turning more into a business, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but we gotta have some fun with it too. I mean, it can't just all be straight by the book, you know, button down type shit either. So that's kind of all I have to say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

It's always gonna be the balance, right? And as far as the the business side of it goes, yeah, it's definitely gotten like when you're in the industry, it's it's it's now it's just tricky business. Like it's not even like it's no fun. But um, what does it seem fun? I don't know. We're not in there, but it doesn't seem as fun.

SPEAKER_05 46:26

And and in one respect, I get it, because you gotta put food on the table. You know, it's just uh the crossroads, man.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

You know what? That's that's a great um I guess a great segue because you say that and I think about Most Deaf, right? Most Def, very influential MC uh artist. Um and he only did what two albums? Yeah excluding Black Thought. He only oh no not Black Doth, Black Star.

SPEAKER_05 46:52

He only did um Yeah, Black He did two albums only uh Black on Both Sides, and I don't remember the other one, but I I remember Black on Both Sides.

SPEAKER_02 47:01

I I got both of them, but yeah. Um it's just he is he is definitely somebody who says, alright, no, he I don't want no industry stuff, I'm gonna just tell me he done movies and things of that nature, but he's not even like now. I don't think I don't think he's uh major like that. But you know who most deaf is. You know, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 47:24

Like he could live a fairly private life now.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:29

Which is love and respect, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

I I have a great great question for y'all, but I'm gonna save that for next pod.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

Why next pod? Why not this pod?

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Gotta keep him in suspense, bro. Not almost nah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

We'll do it next part. It's all good.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Hey no, I'll give a little tidbit. You know what? This is we we could talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Um so not the next part. Okay, great. Well, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

Just put it out there and see what's going on. But Illuminati in the music industry, is there somebody or a group of people behind the scenes uh pulling the strings of artists? Or is there something something much more darker behind industry, or is it just the industry and face value? Obviously, you know, business is business, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 48:27

There's a couple conspiracies.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Yeah. There's a couple conspiracies. I'm not saying it's facts, but I'm just saying, you know, we can talk about it a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 48:36

Like now, like might as well. Like Yeah, we know uh so one conspiracy was um that gangster music was pushed and regulated very heavily, uh, because they understood the influence that uh music has within the black community, and that was to uh increase um the incarceration rate. That was one that I heard a long time ago. Around the time which was the 90s, you didn't find out to many, many years later what prisons for profit was. And that that's a scary conspiracy theory.

SPEAKER_03 49:17

Remember, there was Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

Now continuing, so that was one.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

No, I was gonna say uh going on that point. I heard a story, I forgot from who it's it was something I was watching, and you're saying when big L was a big L. No, Nas, pardon me. It was when Nas. Um that's Robman and Nas. Look at that.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Yeah, we know we're talking about them. Full circle always.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Full circle. But it was uh Nas when he um had that line. When I was 12, I'm gonna hell for I know I went to hell for snuffing Jesus, right? And the um the guy who was talking, he was like, Yo, we played that for uh the record exec, right? And we're like, we're not sure how he's gonna take it. And dude was like, Oh, that's the shit right there, bro. And it was weird. Like the guy, but this was the guy say he's like, oh, it's kind of weird, like the way he was so into that line, like it was very a lot of shock factor, a lot of shock factor. Yeah, but like what like uh Eminem's um rel not relapse, relapse, yeah. Like Eminem's relapse.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

The yeah, like the disowned album that everybody wants to like forget about. Is that the one you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Yeah, which you know what they forget about it. Wordplay wide rap. Well no, Wordplay Wide is a nasty album.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

No, it was I I didn't understand the hate around the album. It wasn't like classic MM, it was different, but I mean, you know, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

Yeah, it's it's it's not what uh you know what it's not what we wanted at the time or the pop no that's exactly what it was. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like you're like, all right, bro, like come on, like what else? That's why one of my favorite albums is Recovery, because he just like blew the door open with that one. He just reinvented us. He definitely but yeah, we talked about that another time, but relapse album in the beginning skit. And this is why it goes back to Damien. That's why it came up to me. Damien, the whole thing. I always felt like that was like the music industry was Damien, you know what I mean? Like, oh, you gotta do this, do that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 51:25

That's an interesting thing. That's not bad.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Eminem, that first intro when he's like uh talking to his counselor, yeah. Right? You know what I'm talking about when you talk to his counselor, and you know, he's like, Oh, he's uh damn, I watch that.

SPEAKER_05 51:40

I know what you I know what you're talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

Like he he's having a conversation with my counselor. He's like, what I'm gonna do. It's road show now, but then he's like, Oh, just take these. Take the take the edge off. What do you mean take the edge off? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's it's very interesting. And you see there's so much of that that is not like I don't believe in coincidence like that. And there's just so much of it in the industry that you just have to like really like question.

SPEAKER_05 52:07

So do you think you were subliminally like saying something about the industry or just personal experience? Because from the intro, it sounds like he's talking about personal experience, in which if he's tempted to go back to, you know, uh, you know, the these medications that he was taking before, you know, they weren't even medications, it was just straight out drugs. Um and you know, that's how the that's how the introduction goes, where it's just like slowly that the counselor sounded more demonic, and he's like, just take it, just take it. Yeah, you know. Um do you think that's a segue of like calling out how they try to get people to use drugs in the industry?

SPEAKER_03 52:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

Or they I feel like they find someone's vice and and and they go for it. And was was drugs, right? Um in wine house alcohol. But I think she just died. That's that's not I just think she died.

SPEAKER_05 53:04

I I thought the way the story went was when she tried to get off um she died as a result of of the withdrawals. Like that's what I thought she passed away from.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

Possibly. I see you know what you might be right.

SPEAKER_05 53:17

Yeah, which is which is like, damn, man.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

You know. But any other take on this? Like again, this is this is just a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

What do you what do you gotta say, man?

SPEAKER_01 53:31

I mean, it's it's interesting stuff. I would need to look more up, honestly. I would like to I'd like to get to the bottom behind some of those things. I want to re-listen to that intro again. I know exactly what you're talking about, but now I like really want to listen to it again, because that was a really interesting take. Um, yeah, I want to I want to do my own research on it, I think. I want to look deeper on it. But um, but I mean I I could see it. I mean it all it all makes sense. Both both of those make sense. Um I'd like to see more of the statistics about the 90s too, just to put it in bigger perspective. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:03

Um and I loved the music back then, like, you know, and they're right for saying this was freedom of speech, but it kind of sucks that you find out this happens later on down the road, and you're like, was this intentional?

SPEAKER_01 54:16

You know, you know, but again, that's almost like how can it not be? I mean, again, without just blindly kind of, right? But like it's kind of like when you put it that way, like really, how the hell could it not be?

SPEAKER_05 54:28

Yeah. Yeah, tie in gangster music with the incarceration rate. And I like listening to like, you know, I don't want to listen to no soft ass music, man. Who wants to listen to that type of shit? Nobody, man.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

I'm gonna kick the door in. That's what I want to do, you know?

SPEAKER_05 54:44

Yeah, he's like these bar soccer, just relax.

SPEAKER_02 54:48

When you when you get to, I feel like when you get to a certain level, man, it gets it gets it gets darker. I could see that. Yeah, yeah. Just go through so check this out. If you listen to any like uh upcoming albums, whatever, just listen and just have it with that type of thought. That type of mindset, like, uh, could this be um this thing, Hotel California? Love that song.

SPEAKER_03 55:13

Yeah, but that was very clear.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

It could be industry we're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 55:18

Okay, no, no, fair point.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 55:20

Fair point, yeah. And and it's like these people have subtrained contracts, man, that they can't get out of.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 55:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

You could hey you can get out, but you can never leave, right? Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

It's nuts. It's nuts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

Oh my god, you got me thinking about the T-Pain story now.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

What T-Pain story?

SPEAKER_05 55:41

T-Pain said a specific story where he called, you know, the the head of the record label to release him from his contract. He's like, listen, I know you guys are not gonna promote me. You guys are working on other stuff, you know. How about you guys let me go? And the record exec goes, and let this other person pick you up. Nope. Just hung up the phone on him.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, that just sounds like a shitty contract.

SPEAKER_05 56:04

But that that kind of falls in line with the whole gatekeeping thing and the whole you know, the fact that you have these artists that are frustrated because they want to put out music and they want again want need to make a living this way too. And they can't for contractual reasons. So for a contractual reason, T-Pain couldn't go to another record label, continue to put out music the way he wanted to, because that record exec rather keep him, even though he's doing nothing with uh, you know, with his career, than see him go to somebody else and have the career prosper and continue.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

Yeah, we were just talking about that too.

SPEAKER_05 56:46

Potentially have another hit.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

With with the whole with the whole cole thing that we were just talking about. Um, you know, there was the rumor that, you know, uh uh the labels were the reason why he even pulled that initial diss track because, you know, for whatever reason, I can't remember all the specific details. I heard that too. I heard the rumor about it. Yeah. So I mean it could still be going on even even with things just like that. So I mean, yeah, it's it's wild. It really is. It puts it in perspective for sure.

SPEAKER_05 57:11

Yeah, the the the rumor was they were gonna um they were gonna disrupt his uh his label, Dreamville, uh if if he moved forward with this. And because again, we keep talking about the Drake and Kendrick shit. They're both under universal.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

I know, I know, but they're they were both on the universal, which is kind of interesting when you look at it from that perspective, because at the end of the day, Universal is winning. Yeah, they got eyes on two artists, you know. Kendrick at this point established his own record label, which is why um GNX, most of the songs on GNX was performed at the Super Bowl, so he could promote that, which is why you didn't really hear his earlier works, because I was on the TDE, which was part of um Innerscope, but then Drake was signed as a major act under Universal because he was no longer under Cash Money. But who's you know, who's kind of recouping this, you know, back and forth? Universal. Another conspiracy right there.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

Dan, we need a whole pod on this.

unknown 58:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

See, I'm all right. That's why I was like your way, but I'm glad we got it.

SPEAKER_05 58:20

Well, you just asked no just for right now.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

We're just yeah, right? Just tell it. You know what? Just go on. Let me let me let me close it out with this Wu Tang Clan 2026, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Just got it.

SPEAKER_03 58:41

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

Just got it. Nice. Congrats on the W. I was yours. Yeah, that's what's up. That's what's up, man.

SPEAKER_05 58:53

So one thing I know for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, they perform songs. Um What song do you think is gonna be uh definitely for Hu Tang? Probably like two or three songs or some shit like that. Maybe like three or four songs in tribute, or from them, one or the other. I think they're gonna they're gonna uh cash rules, cash rules everything around me. I think that's gonna be one of them.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Um Triumph would be great. Yeah, that's Triumph would be great, yeah. But it's too long.

SPEAKER_05 59:22

Um, how about I think a lot of stuff from the first album, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

Um yeah, first two albums. But yeah, first album.

SPEAKER_05 59:29

Ain't nothing fucked with. You think they're gonna sing that?

SPEAKER_02 59:31

Protect your neck?

SPEAKER_05 59:32

Protect yeah, protect your neck, protect your neck and cream. I think that those are the those are definitely the two.

SPEAKER_03 59:36

Um that gonna be um performed in tribute. Yeah. I'm just so J. Cole.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

I'm trying to send the C T y'all, but I just saw J. Cole playing ball.

SPEAKER_05 59:51

Yeah, he played one game and got waived. Yes, that's what it says here, too. They say he got waived, and then they also said that it was due to like visa purposes that he's no longer able to play in China. So I'm just like, you know what? This guy's doing side quests.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

Hey, good for you, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

You can't you can't fault him for that, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

Nah, don't. He's he's living his dream. Living his dream, man. I found that. I'm gonna send it to y'all.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:18

I wonder if he connected with like Stefan Mulberry. Mulberry's like a demigod in China, man. They love that guy, man. They love that guy, man. His story is so inspirational, man, because he was at like kind of like at a low point where and we're starting, I'm circling back to the NBA, where he wasn't in the NBA anymore, and it was more like uh, what am I gonna do? And um the story goes, they want it. China was like recruiting him, or he to was on a whim and just decided to go play, and he just fell in love with the sport again. And you know, um, this guy's knows Chinese now. He was Staten Island guy from Chinese, not Staten Island, uh Coney Island guy from Chinese. Uh oh fuck. Coney Coney Island guy from Brooklyn speaking Chinese. That's what I meant to say. Oh man. We know, which is pretty cool when you think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:09

That's dope.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:10

Oh, and they built a statue for him. Oh my god, they built a statue for him. Yeah, that's super cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:15

I don't think he wants no part of uh J. Cole. He's like, You stay over there, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:19

Nah, I think I think he would impact I think he would, you know, be like, I I think he would, you know, uh love the fact that you know he came over to play in China, you know. But yeah, another American when you think about it. Another American showing love to China when you think about it. So um, yeah, he had like one rebound, one assist, and like hey, more than me.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:42

I was gonna say that's one more than I got, that's for damn sure. Yeah, one more than I got, too. Yep, that is true.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:48

Combined, bro. Combine.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:50

Combined. Well, we don't play. Yo, he's gonna light a flame and he's gonna drop another album and call us out.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

He better drop uh 15 before he drops another album.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:06

Drop a 15, bro. But um, yeah, yeah, he he's played one game and got waived, which is not bad when you think about it. It's like, you know, still doing his thing. People showed up to see him, too.

unknown 1:02:18

Who?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:19

Yeah, it was probably who showed up to see him, see J. Cole. Yeah. Or he's talking about J. Cole. Speaking of J. Cole, why he doesn't have a record with Nas. He was fairly compared to Nas, and then out of nowhere, he has no one like record with him. He did the I Let Nas down song, Nas Reply, which was pretty cool. They did a song. No, they used the same instrumental for a specific song. Nas had a song called Stay, which was on the Life is Good album. I find myself circling back to that album because I really like that album. It's a good album. And then uh J. Cole actually had the beat and had made his own version of Stay, which was pretty cool. Um, but they never like really like collaborated on a song. Two, I feel like they should have had he should have had more songs with Jay-Z. I think we spoke spoke about this before. I feel like J. Cole should have had more songs with Jay C. Yeah. Just for the fun of it. You know, I don't think they really, to be honest, I don't think they really had any kind of like you know, friction in their like relationship. He's just kind of made it clear, like, you know, he just works like it's just a business relationship. So it is what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

Like, yeah, you're here now. Keep moving. You know what I mean? Like, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:32

Yeah. Um, however, he got his master's and it's a distribution deal. J. Cole admitted that himself he got his master's back. So, you know, Jay was kind enough to you know give him back his master's, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

What were you thinking about a college degree, bro? I'm like, damn, that's what's up, yo.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:52

Yo, yeah, so I mean, I I don't think they have a fractured relationship.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

Oh, too. I was like, damn, that's dope, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:01

That's pretty cool. But I'm like, wait, that's amazing. Another side quest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

I was like, I'm working on mine too, J.C.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:15

Oh man. I gotta look for that video because that shit is so funny. Oh man. Alright, so I I gotta I gotta get the backstory. Good luck with your career was something that Papoose said in a video where he was pranking people. They had like three artists who thought they were gonna work with Papoose, but he ends up dissing them at the studio where they're at. And he tells his one kid, Good luck with your career. Kid walks up to him. No, no, no, it was after, it was after, it was after, bro. No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got I feel like an asshole right now. So he walks up to the kid, he's like, Good luck with your career. Kid walks up to him, he goes, Listen, gonna be somebody, I'm gonna make it, gonna make it. He just points at him and goes, Good luck with your career, and then he just walks out, and I'm like, Oh, that's fucked up, man. Then it was really a prank and stuff like that. But I don't have some fucked up shit to say, bro. Like, oh my god, funny, but fucked up, bro. So yeah, man, Pap. Apparently, he got a lot to say about 50 Cent, and 50 Cent is like, I only respond to people who have hits. And I'm like, shit, I'm gonna fucking burn, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

That is like stay in your lane, though. Like that had nothing to do with your body.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:41

He has his moments. I mean, as far as a lyricist, man, he's pretty nice, but I like Paps. Paps nasty.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Yeah, but I I I feel like he kind of came I again, I feel like he came and came at fifty, like, bro, just stay in your lane. Like it had that had nothing to do with your dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:57

I think he did it for cloud, to be honest, man. People do so much for him. Absolutely, he did.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

That's not what we're talking about. Like bye, fellas. That's it. Then we're good. It's good seeing y'all again. Good being back.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

Yeah, man. It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

Let's keep moving. Guys have anything to say to our viewer, our viewership. Say license go first.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:21

Doing it next time. We're gonna be interesting next. Yeah, man. Thank you for the love and support. You know. Yeah. All right, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

Good luck with your career.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:31

Good luck with your career.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:33

Uh yeah. That's it. Episode seven. Oh.