Episode 22 - Playoff Melee

It's a crazy week in the world of sports as the NHL and NBA Finals are underway and lots of action is going on. The guys discuss it as well as the start of the World Cup and the PWHL. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello everybody, Brandon Michael, Full Strength Podcast. Welcome to episode 22. We are here wherever you're at in the country. Here where I'm at, the weather is terrible. It's hot and humid. Uh makes me miss winter. Although most seasons do make me miss winter. Anyway, we got a lot going on. A lot of uh bad, horrible, disgraceful, embarrassing fan behavior. We got a big extension, big money coming through. Um, we've also got uh some interesting stuff from NC2A college football, and of course, we got the Stanley Cup final in full effect. And uh, yeah, it's really boring, Montreal fans. Really, really boring.

SPEAKER_07 0:41

Horrible series, horrible.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

That said, Steve, how was your week?

SPEAKER_07 0:45

It was good, it was um it was relaxing, actually. Not a lot happened other than sports. Good deal.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Brandon, the stuff.

SPEAKER_06 0:53

What's up? Well, it's been a fun week. Lots of crazy hockey happenings going on. Think my bartender was trying to get me tipsy last night. Oh man. But everything's pretty good. Good, good, right on.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Nick Brown, how was your week, buddy? Nick Brown week was good. Um, me and the kids did a bunch of cool stuff uh all over town, just finding like we're just we literally were walking around and we heard drums like it was Jumanji, and we just stumbled into a Native American like drum circle, and I was invited to play drums and kids for dancing, we got some fry bread, like it was just an awesome experience. But it's been having fun, man. I love Native American events.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Yeah, Native American events can be so cool and just so much awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

And they were so welcoming. Like, I was like, Are we is this open to the public? They're like, Oh my god, yeah, do you need a chair?

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I'm like, no, it just I miss like northern Arizona with like the old Navajo reservations and stuff, and like where I live now, like in uh you know the southern tier of uh western New York, we have Salamanca, and it's like they'll do those types of of uh events in the summer, and they're just so awesome. They come out with their full headdresses, and it's like, oh, what a great, what a great, great culture that is. So, right on, man. I'm glad you got to do that with the kids. Sounds incredible. Um, with that said, uh, let's kind of dive into it. Let's get into the NBA. First and foremost, before we get into the absurdity of the ticket prices, game three, San Antonio Spurs win the game after the Knicks just you know buried them at home. Two in a row, come back home, up 2-0. I looked at a lot of the boards. There was a lot of smack talking by Knicks fans, Nick's uh SHIT the bed, and the Spurs won 115-111. A great game, right? What happened outside of that stadium to Spurs fans is absolutely disgusting. It's embarrassing. These people who do this are human piles of excrement. It is utterly embarrassing for Knicks fans. I know a lot of good Knicks fans. I really do. I really, really do. I've been to plenty of Knicks games because I lived in New York City part-time for a long time for like six years. Okay, it's these people are scumbags. Flat out. There's no other word for the type of person that did what they did to these Spurs fans. I don't give two flying Fs what those fans had might have said. Everything I've seen and people that I've talked to who are a monk in in walking by these melee crowds, there's no excuse for this. You guys are scumbags, you are pieces of human excrement.

SPEAKER_07 3:36

Period. I saw two of the two of the incidents where as soon as they took off their jersey, they let them go.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

They ripped off this one guy's jersey. I it's like and then they beat the they beat the piss out of one guy who's trying to get away. Yep. Yeah, it's it's horrible. Sad state of affairs. There's absolutely no excuse. I don't care what you have to say, other than calling these people what they are, and that's scumbags and worthless piles of human excrement. That's it. That's all they are. I don't care. They're not good people, they are not good human beings. To do something like that and behave that way, you're just despicable. It soured me on the lowest life forms on the planet.

SPEAKER_07 4:25

And all their fans sours you on all their fans. I mean, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

That's the other problem. We talk, remember, we talked about this before where it's like that size of groups, and it was multiple, they weren't the same group walking around, it was the same group of like 150 people, and they're picking on two guys, gutless worms, dude. What is wrong with you? It makes your whole fan base look like scumbags, and that's not the case, right?

SPEAKER_07 4:54

Yeah, I'm all I'm actually hoping that they don't win just because I can't imagine what the destruction of New York is gonna be if they do win.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

I'm immediately rooting for the Spurs now.

SPEAKER_06 5:04

Like, screw up. That's that's I said it last week. It doesn't matter if they win or lose. They're gonna write no matter what.

SPEAKER_07 5:14

Yeah, you're right. They're gonna do it on their if they lose too.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

I he did. Brandon said it last week, and he's right. He's right. That's what's gonna happen. It's like this is embarrassing, dude.

SPEAKER_07 5:23

I mean, this is only game three, and they're already causing problems.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

It just makes me so mad because I'm like, dude, again, I know good Nick fans, I really do. And it's like they're they're absolutely disgusted by this.

SPEAKER_06 5:40

And they they originally planned to have like allow people outside of the arena for game four, but now that's been canceled.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Yeah, because they can't behave like human beings. No, they're children. It's it's so dumb. I don't care if they're teenagers, early 20s, I do not care.

SPEAKER_07 6:00

I I have to say it looked like a lot of them were teenagers, but that always then that comes back to where the parents. I mean, who's raising these kids?

SPEAKER_02 6:11

The streets, Steve. The streets are raising it. We're not gonna have here, but it's like, dude, yes, I uh it's just I don't care. The streets are amazing, scumbags are scumbags, man.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Yeah, just and I know that like Brandon, you had talked about how you were rooting for the Knicks. Like, I can't root for the Knicks with a good conscience, the way that they're handling not now. No, not now. Because you know what, when New York won both games on the road in San Antonio for game one and game two, what happened?

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Nothing that we know about. Let's be fair here. But let's be fair. So that we have heard so far, nothing or seen. It's like this this isn't, and and this isn't like one viral video going around it, dude. There was like four or five yeah, yeah, melee groups going.

SPEAKER_07 7:02

I saw three separate ones. Yeah, I saw four when they were they were recording them.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

Yeah, the nypd was sitting in front of two guys just trying to leave.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Yeah, they were hunting. This was this was a hunting, yep.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Inappropriate, just scumbags were trying to find spur fans to beat them up and be tough, you know. Yeah, be tough guys, 100 people on these two young men who were not talking smack, they were not doing anything except for walking.

SPEAKER_07 7:36

Yeah, I mean, at least there was some people in the crowd that were trying to pull the other guys off of them.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

I did see one kid without a shirt. I don't know if he had already lost his shirt, but he was trying to help this one kid. And it's no, I saw Nick fans.

SPEAKER_07 7:52

I mean, they were wearing Nick jersey uh jerseys for the Knicks, but they were trying to help pull these people off or block them from kicking them while the guy was down.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

It's like Brandon, it's like Brandon says, police your own. Like, yeah, like we do know there are good fans inside and outside that stadium, all across the country for all the teams. We know that when we talk crap about fan bases, we're talking about, you know, it's like when you go and you get poor. I go to Applebee's and my steak's not cooked, right? I don't, I mean, I talk shit, but it's not really every Applebee's fault. Um, police your own. Fix this. This is disgusting behavior, and it's ruining basketball. So now it's going to go from a three-point contest to nobody gives a shit.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Yeah, and that's where it's going. It's it's ruining this kind of behavior, has been ruining the NBA, number one. It's already a snooze fest, and it's like, now you want to do this. It's like, yeah, sure, just alienate more people from wanting to come to these games. It's just, dude, it's it's embarrassing. Yeah. So anyway, and then on top of that, they're charging six grand for last row of the stadium. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Dude, I I got some I have some numbers, if I may.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

I got it, and I'm not doing it. You're you're high.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

You're high. No. So they have they're calling it the average get in resale price for game four in New York, $4,025. Well, they've gone down two grand. Game five on Saturday in San Antonio. The average get in resale price, $1,500. That is a I think that is a really high, good, normal price for a that is finals.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

It's the NBA finals, dude. It's the last, it's the change, yeah. That's $1,500 for upper level, like last row. Yeah, that's appropriate. It's it's game five of the finals. Yes, that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

But then it gets worse. Game six is back in New York City. Guess what the average get in price for game six is where they could win. I'm gonna say $10,200. $10,200. Or the cheapest? I was gonna say $8,900. Average get in price. Oh, average. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

I was gonna say the lowest was $8,900, but wow, $10,200.

SPEAKER_06 10:17

Imagine what the prices would have been in for game four if the Knicks had won.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Well, they said it would be a clinching, a clinch game.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah. That's what that's what they said happened. Because of because the San Antonio won in New York, the game four ticket prices at M uh at Madison Square Garden plummeted by 70% over the last 48 hours. They went from a border um from an insane 13,500 get in price down uh 70% to that number I told you. To the 4,000. 4,000. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

I mean, which is still a ridiculous amount, but yeah, it but again, it is I get it. It's it's the last, it's it's the finals, Stanley Cup Finals, so on and so forth. It's like, yeah, I understand.

SPEAKER_07 11:03

But it's like Do you realize that's the median income for the average person in the United States for their monthly income?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Yeah, what what is it?

SPEAKER_07 11:13

That's the average median income for somebody for one ticket for their one-month salary.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Ugh. Do you think there should be a difference in price in like the we'll keep talking about the NBA finals between game one and game seven? I think there should be. There should be a markup for starting to do that.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Game seven's gonna be mat much more expensive. But also, it's here's the thing is like you gotta remember these aren't the prices being set by the NBA or the organizations, these are people that have season tickets that are the resale, right? This is these are the resale people. Like, this is what this is what PCLs do. This is what this kind of stuff ends up doing, is you just get people that want it for business, they don't care, they're just yeah, just trying to make a buck. So yeah, it's disgusting, it's despicable, but it is what it is. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

I don't know. Yeah, once again, New York letting us down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

Uh anyway, game four tonight in New York, San Antonio versus the Knicks. Um behave yourself, New York. Just act act like a human being for Christ's sake. It's like, God, man, what is just grow up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:25

I think the Spurs are gonna win. I think they've been getting better every game, though.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

Yeah, I think it could easily, you know, San Antonio. And this this whole thing is the players were upset about it. They were like, this isn't like this isn't right. So anyway, uh yeah, we'll see what happens. But I'm sure it's gonna be I'm sure it's gonna be rocking again, and it'll be you know, maybe a fun game to watch. We'll see. But anyway, moving on. Um, PWHL news, professional women's hockey league. Obviously, there is four new teams. You've got an influx of 80 some odd players now that have a chance to become professional hockey players on the women's side, which is awesome. You're gonna have drafts and stuff like that, but um, Hillary Knight uh went to Vegas and then was uh traded, right? To Detroit.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Um so she was uh so the Seattle Torrent are they were allowed to protect three of their players, and they didn't protect Hillary Knight. And she told everyone, I will play nowhere except Detroit. And they expect and she had expected it's called an EFO, an expansion uh found foundational offer of a hundred thousand dollars. Every expansion team gets one. She expected to get that spent on her from Detroit. Well, they I forget who they sent that, I forget who they offered that to, but they offered that $100,000 EFO to another player. Okay, and so she was like, Well, then I'm not playing. And Vegas was like, We will offer you, we will use our EFO on you and then trade you. And she's like, Done. And is it was a sign and trade, and so it's kind of like um like an Eli Manning kind of situation where I'm playing.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

So Vegas, Vegas gets some like, you know, whatever in return. They get some probably draft capital or whatever, which something and then she's leagues growing.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Right, and three more players from Seattle Torrent were waiting for her to get to Detroit, and they all they all signed deals with Detroit, and like Detroit's going to be a wagon powerhouse. Detroit might be a wagon, huh? From day one.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting to see. Here's the thing I don't want the PWHL to to make a mistake on is growing too much too fast. Like, let the hype build now for a couple of years. You've done you've done an expansion of six teams in two seasons. Let this go now, let it grow. You know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Yeah, you got to fill your jar up before you expand into more, otherwise, you're gonna have weeks.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Have an 18 playoff, do it right, do a couple of rounds now, just build the hype. And all the while, you know, I think you got to wait a couple of years now to expand again because now you're gonna go to 16 teams, and it's like, okay, now we're let's keep the interests growing, let's keep the hype going. I think it's gonna be fun, I think it's gonna do well, and it also depends on the cities that you go to. I think they're picking the right cities, I think they're picking the right areas. Um, the WMBA has the Golden State Valkyries that have done really, really well attendance-wise. So it's like, okay, great. PWHL, I think, will do even better. Um, it's more exciting, it's it's a faster game, it's just it's just better. So you know, the WNBA is just, I'm sorry. God, I've tried so many times to watch it, it's like watching paint dry. And so but I the PWHL is that bad. It's pretty bad. The other night I was watching a game six minutes without a single basket. Bricks, yeah, it's just like, what is this? So, anyway, so yeah, big news. That's awesome. So I think the PWHL is gonna be great.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Yeah, congratulations to uh oh, and the other thing too is that Hillary Knight made like $106,000 last year, and so she's taking a decrease in pay to a hundred thousand dollars to play in Detroit, where she said she would only play. So congrats to her. You know what? After the career she's had, the nomination in the Olympics this year, like she I feel like she has a little bit of right to dictate her.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

No, absolutely, absolutely. She's earned every bit of this, absolutely, yeah. 100%, and in Detroit, she's gonna be she's gonna be huge, just like you know, any of the Red Wings.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

It's like, yeah, they're gonna she's gonna be like the face of that franchise, like Iserman and Federoff, where like she's gonna be a big thing, and I hope she sticks around.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Absolutely, and for an expansion team, it's mass, it's huge.

SPEAKER_07 16:58

I do find it interesting how they fill out those expansion teams. I love it. Yeah, it makes I mean it makes them makes it so the teams actually have a chance. Well, yeah. I mean, look at look at the Vegas Knights.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Yeah, I mean, how long did it be? They changed everything for Las Vegas, they changed every single rule in expansion. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's it's yeah, everything changed when Vegas came into the NHL. Literally like 11 different rules and regulations and all this. It was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:34

Yeah. Wow. Didn't they make their the playoffs their first season?

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, when you're able to do what Vegas did as an expansion team, it's like, yeah, every uh Seattle. Seattle was because of those rules, made the playoffs immediately. They were good.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

They got they got uh um what's the outdoor game called? Winter classic right away. They got a winter classic pretty quick.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Yeah, it was honestly that, yeah, it was yeah. The one in Seattle.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

I think it was in Seattle, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Yeah, it it's yeah, it was unfortunately, it wasn't one of the best winter classics, but no, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

But still to be invited that early on, like to have a fan base of quantum.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Yeah, it's a good thing to get it going, you know what I mean? Like it's they're trying to build success, and that's and that's it, that's important. What they did to the arena is beautiful. That was the old key center. They kept the roof because it's a historic landmine. They they demoed everything and put jacks up to keep the roof in place. It was pretty sick the way Seattle built that that arena, pretty legit. So but uh anyway, yeah. That's yeah, when you change the the rules, yeah, it is what it is. So, but anyway, right on, exciting stuff. Be excited to watch PWHL next season, see how that goes, but um I'm pumped for it. So um moving on. So NC2A uh NC2A football. Um so Texas Tech has a quarterback that they spent six million dollars to get, okay? He started at Indiana, um, and then he was with uh hang on a second. Let me let me sorry, I had this up. The meat and the potatoes of this is here we go, hang on. Indiana I know I'm trying to like I'm gonna get this going here. Texas Tech quarterback, Brandon Sorsby. Um again, so while he was playing, he bet on himself. So he plays bet. It's highly illegal, you're not allowed to do it, it's against NC2A regulations, all this stuff, okay? Here's my thing with it is I get it, it's not allowed, okay? Um it's here's my stance on it. If the player was betting against his team, there's questions, right? It's that's very, very scandalous. It's like, oh boy, like that's not good. Because now you're talking about point shaving and all this other stuff, right? Drop bets, all this stuff. So he bet on himself. I'm sorry, but who gives a shit? So what's he gonna do? Try harder? I'm having a really hard time with this. I I I heard this one girl's like TikTok, and she's like, Well, it's so bad. He bet on himself. Why?

SPEAKER_07 20:48

I mean, if you bet on himself to lose, that's a different story.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

No, but yeah, I mean, though I he didn't bet on himself to lose, though. That's what I was just saying. Is like, if you do that, yeah, there's a big problem here.

SPEAKER_07 20:59

No, the point is that they don't want betting from any player, and the fact that he's allowed to play next season is why everybody's upset with it.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

I also have a question.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

Like, when he was this this all happened back when he was in the serving a two-game suspension to start the season, yeah, only two. Because Steve, it's it's bullshit.

SPEAKER_07 21:20

He shouldn't even be serving two games. But the point is the league prohibits betting at all.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah, and he did it anyway. Does did he have play calling status at Indiana on these games that he was betting on?

SPEAKER_02 21:35

No, how many quarterbacks have play calling? Not even the highest end ones do.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Well, not necessarily in college. If he doesn't have play calling issue, I have less issue with this since he was not getting away. I get it. That's what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with you.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Yeah, not I know. I'm just saying like, not even the best quarterbacks call their own plays in college. It just doesn't happen. You know what I mean? Like that's it's it's one of the reasons why going to the NFL can be really, really hard for even the most elite quarterbacks. Is because it is harder, it's a lot harder.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

I get the I get the people's upset, like the level of upset over the fact that he's only getting a two-game suspension. I also get the point where but he was he wasn't throwing games or shaving points, but at the same time, he was breaking a very big, very known, well-known rule.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

It I get it. There's a rule in place. I understand this. And yeah, and he's going to like gamblers, what addiction rehab or whatever. Anonymous.

SPEAKER_07 22:43

Well, that was one of the defining reasons on why they only gave him a short suspension, is because he's an addict. It was it was it was detrimental to his recovery to suspend him more than two games. Okay. Sorry, but it's like okay, yeah. I mean, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Sorry, give me sorry, yeah. I sorry.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

What do you think, Steve, about all the teams in the SEC that are refusing to play Texas Tech in any sport?

SPEAKER_07 23:25

Because of that?

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Yeah. I'll give it two to one odds that they that they're just talking shit.

SPEAKER_07 23:30

I hate cancel culture, period, regardless of what it's going around. I think cancel culture is stupid, but right. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

I agree. It it is, but sorry, again, you're just this is just I I'm like it's a rule. So here it is. I I just wanted to read this off, and you know, so it says Sornsby admitted to placing approximately ninety thousand dollars in sports wagers, including over 40 bets involving the Indiana Hoosiers, the team he played for at the time, though no bets were placed on games in which he actually even played in. Oh. See, that makes a big difference. I thought I had heard that he bet on himself, but no, he wasn't even playing. Um, so after the NC2A discovered the wagers, many of which were placed on online apps and through alternative accounts while he was legally underage. Sornesby admitted to having a gambling addiction and checked into inpatient rehabilitation facility in Arizona. Um, now there was court, you know, there's a court battle now. So it says NC2A's stance is citing its strict rules against athletes wagering and point-shaving risks. The NC2A declared Sornsby ineligible and denied Texas Tech's initial appeals. Um, judges ruled that Sornsby's legal team filed a lawsuit. The Texas judge Ken Curry issued a temporary injunction. The court ruled that Sornsby would suffer irre what Steve said if kept off the field and banned the NC2A from stopping him from practicing or playing in 2026. He will suffer a two-game suspension. Again, I I think even I was saying this the other day, like if a player's playing and he bets on himself to to hit certain numbers, it's like, okay, great. I'm like if that's if that's a quarterback on a team I'm rooting for, fuck yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_07 25:36

What I wonder, where did this kid get $90,000? Because that's how much he bet over several different accounts. I don't know. I don't know. That's a lot of money for a kid under the age of 21.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Yeah, but if they're in college and the money that they're making now, it's that's a drop in the bucket.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Yeah, that's all that NIO money.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

But he wasn't even a starter. Doesn't matter. There's guys on the 50-man roster getting $300,000 just because they're on the team. Spending half your money on betting. Yeah, I mean, if he's if he's bad enough.

SPEAKER_07 26:14

I mean, I do see that as being if he if he wasn't actively playing on those at the time on those games, then I kind of agree with the way that they hey right handled it.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:27

The way they handled it then. I thought he was actually playing in those games.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Yeah, I again it's just yeah, wasn't even playing in the games. I'm like, but I get it. I I understand. And he was underage. And he's underage.

SPEAKER_07 26:41

Not that any every everything college kids do, they're underage anyway.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

So right, right, right. So anyway, I just it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

So I'm excited for it to all go away and become a big nothing burger as soon as the season starts.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

To me, it it's yeah, sorry. I just yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_06 27:04

I think there's a bigger question at play here. I mean while discussing that, also think about how many sports games do you see advertising for like DraftKings. Yeah. And how many times do you see athletes show up in those ads, and that's sure become part of sports. Yeah, there's there's there's sports books inside of arenas, man. Yeah, it's not like 1970s when you're going to the back alley to find a sports book. So it's like I think you need to just rethink this whole sports betting thing.

SPEAKER_07 27:42

I mean they even have TV channels for betting now.

SPEAKER_06 27:45

Yeah, yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

So I which people like me who literally it's a second income, I it it's I think it's great. So, you know, I I don't know. At least, you know, in the winter and fall.

SPEAKER_06 28:03

It's yeah, so to me, it's just weird to say, you know, you can't place bets, and then accepting all this money from DraftKings to play ads in your game.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Right. Well, it's still conflict of interest there. I mean, they suspended a uh NFL player, I forget the kid's name, played for the Falcons, but they suspended him for a year for placing two bets on games that didn't even involve him while he was out on injury. Like it's it's taken pretty seriously.

SPEAKER_07 28:37

So do you think they should just NCAA and the most sports agencies just get rid of the whole betting thing?

SPEAKER_02 28:47

No?

SPEAKER_07 28:48

No, no, you think they should still be prohibited from betting?

SPEAKER_02 28:53

I yeah, I mean yeah, because it it it does open up the risk of you know the other thing. Point shaving and all that BS and throwing games and I mean you've already got unhinged fans that are terribly terrible betters because they're over-emotional, they bet on their own team. My team can't lose.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

The only way they lose is because of the gosh darn refs or Vegas. It's all fixed. Because I don't know how to bet.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

Yeah. I see it all the time. It's like, no. I was like, I remember this one guy who was like, this is obviously fixed. Vegas won. I was like, I won two grand, so I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe don't play stupid bets.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

That's a good way to start.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Just because you have an 8% win percentage, it's not Vegas' fault, it's your brain and you.

SPEAKER_07 29:50

Most likely betting emotionally.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

It's what it is, dude. Yeah, it's it's always what it is. So yeah. It's just people. So anyway. I don't know. It's people are gonna make a big deal about it. Even if he's betting on himself playing quarterback. Okay, so he's he still has to win. It's like he's not betting on the other team that he's gonna do bad. He's betting on himself to do better. Gosh dang it. I don't want him betting on himself. He might try too hard.

SPEAKER_07 30:34

I still find I just find it funny on how they worded the harming a recovering gam gambling addicts, harming the recovery.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

It is it is funny. I get it. It is funny.

SPEAKER_07 30:47

So anyway. That's like a drug dealer saying, I need to do drugs because it's harming my yeah, my ability to not do drugs.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

Yep. So in other news, uh, sticking with football in the NFL. So Patrick Mahomes gets paid again. He gets another two-year extension. His total contract now is worth $504.75 million. They gave him a two-year extension and an additional uh, what was it? 200. It's crazy, dude. Um, I just had it. Oh, there it is. An additional 239.05 million dollars on top of his contract, which pretty much makes him a chief for life, taking him to 2033, which at that point he'll probably retire. So um, good for Pat Mahomes. I mean, that's awesome. Dude's getting paid, especially since few players start and end on the same team anymore nowadays.

SPEAKER_07 31:47

I mean, that's just so rare.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

Yeah, it doesn't happen a lot. You're right. So it's yeah, I mean, but man, what a payday.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Half a billion dollars, yeah. I that's crazy money.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

And he had already had a half a billion dollar contract, but he was, you know, so many years had gone by, so they're like, ah, we're gonna restructure it, we're gonna throw in another 200 and some odd million dollars. I mean, that's how we're seven years. If you think about it, that's not too bad.

SPEAKER_07 32:17

No, it's 67 million a year, is what it is versus some of these players that are getting like a hundred, you know, three hundred thousand dollars in two years.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

I mean, it by the time it's done, Deshaun Watson's contract might be one of the worst of all time. It will be. It I think it will be. He's gonna probably gonna be the starting quarterback because that's literally all they have for starters. I mean, I I know the emotional people will say, Oh, Shadur Sanders is a rock star. No, no, he's not. So, and then Dylan Gabriel is definitely not an NFL starting quarterback. So, yeah, I it's I mean, what does Cleveland have? If they want to compete, you got to put in Deshaun Watson. If you want to go for a high draft pick, put in uh Sanders or Gabriel, and we don't even know if if Deshaun Watson's gonna be worth a shit. It's like Cleveland's just Cleveland's got by far the worst quarterback room in the NFL. I always think that's if Deshaun Watson returns to Texans forum, dude, he's legit. But I think you're right, Steve. That's gonna be one of the worst contracts of all time, if if not the worst, it's gonna go down in history as the worst because it's fully guaranteed, so there's arguments. What you're saying, I get yeah. I I think uh you're probably right.

SPEAKER_07 33:34

I mean, just he wasn't that good enough just to get a contract of that amount in the first place when he was traded there.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Well, when he was at when he was at Houston, dude was a up into the top 10 quarterback conversation 100.

SPEAKER_07 33:46

Yeah, but why every time you made it to the playoffs, he'd always joke.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Oh, he be he was winning playoff games his last two seasons. He went to the divisional round and they almost went to the AFC Championship round the one year with him. Are you sure? He was good with not much either, mind you.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yeah, but nobody would throw the throw to.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Yeah, but he didn't he what he did with what he had was pretty stellar for two seasons. I mean, you know what I mean? The comeback against the Bills and everything else in Houston. Like, I thought he was doing really well in the playoffs. Like, I thought, yeah, he's gonna get paid, like he's gonna earn this money, but I just didn't expect what happened had that happened. It's just like it's brutal. But again, we'll see how he comes back this year. So anyway, so moving on. Two good seasons. Not much in Major League Baseball, but I do want to bring up something that I saw today. So Pittsburgh, there you're in Pittsburgh, and all of a sudden you're at little league practice, okay? Little league practice, and a car pulls up, guy gets out, board shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops, comes onto your field and starts playing catch. And oh, by the way, it's Paul Skeens. Wasn't asked, wasn't invited. Nobody even knew who this guy was initially. A lot of people had no clue who he was. But the kids were like going up, they're like, Dad, Paul Skins is here, he's on the field practicing with us. No, he's not. Sure shit. Paul Skins not only went there, stayed there for two hours, did drills with the kids, played catch with every single one of them, signed all their autographs, took pictures, and just hung out.

SPEAKER_07 35:38

See that's a most likely a good person.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

It wasn't a media event, it was literally him driving by the field. He said he saw the lights and just was like, I just thought I'd stop, see what was going on. It was cool. That was it.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

What a good human.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Like that dude's heads on straight. You're you're a generational pitching talent. You don't have to do that stuff. And by the way, he's he's starting tonight in Pittsburgh. So the night before he starts, it was an off day. He said they were just he was driving around just chilling, and just saw the lights of the little league field and decided to go and hang out.

SPEAKER_07 36:16

Yeah, I'm looking at some of the pictures from that event, and you can just see the kids how happy they are, dude. I I mean they I mean they got some shitty grins on their faces.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

Like, what a dude, man.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Like, what a guy. A story that the that entire city will talk about for God knows.

SPEAKER_07 36:36

And he wouldn't do it for the publicity either, because obviously there was no media there. So no, the only pictures you see are from people in his individual Instagram accounts.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

No, yeah, because obviously that's gonna happen if you're who he is, right? Like, it's just you just dude. I god man, it's just like that makes you realize that is the dude. That dude's head is on right. He knows what matters, he knows what matters, and he's not doing it, he didn't do it for hype or anything else. Like I'm not a pirates fan, but boy, I'm a Paul Skeens fan now. Like, I'm like, yeah, I'm pulling for this guy. I just want to see him be successful now. You just when you see good people do stuff like that when they're who he is, it's like he just gets it, man. He understands maybe that, yeah, this is and I don't even think he was thinking that either. That's the thing. Like, you look at his interviews and stuff, and it's like when he wins awards, it's like his uh his girlfriend, what's her name? Uh the gymnast from LSU that he's with. Anyway, she's she's like sitting there all happy, and Paul's just like nudge him. He's like, Oh, yeah, thanks. Like he doesn't care about that shit. He doesn't gotta be reminded, yeah, that he just won something like rookie of the year or like a Cy Young. It's like, yeah, he doesn't care about that shit, man. He doesn't care about the accolades. Yeah, his head that proves that his head's in the right place. Yeah, he cares about what's important, and that's making these kids that are gonna tell this story until the day that they die. Right? Like, that's what they call a core memory. Like, how I just man, I I can't it just that kind of is what makes me happy.

SPEAKER_07 38:24

I agree. That's it's wholesome, dude.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Yeah, it's bigger than no, you don't, Steve. So, anyway, give me one second, I gotta grab my drink.

SPEAKER_06 38:37

I don't want to be surprised if he was just driving by some and decided I'm just gonna go play with them for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Yeah, I'm just gonna go hang out. I'm just like, how like, dude, how cool is that though?

SPEAKER_07 38:48

I mean, it's gonna probably be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Imagine being a 10-year-old at your little league practice and one of the biggest players, not just on the pirates, but in baseball. Yeah. Anyway, I just thought I just thought it was truly, truly amazing.

SPEAKER_07 39:05

Nick, are you gonna watch any of the World Cup tomorrow?

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Uh, after work, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Yep. So, yep, with that, we will move on to the impending world event, and that's the World Cup. World Cup of Soccer is about to begin. Um, it it's you got people from so many countries flooding into the States, Canada, um Mexico, or it's just the U.S. and Canada. It's a North American thing. There's gonna be North America, right?

SPEAKER_07 39:34

So many games in Mexico and in Canada and in Canada and the United States. There obviously the United States gets the majority of them, but right.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Um, yeah, it's all the finals will be at um in New York at MetLi at MetLife.

SPEAKER_07 39:47

At MetLife, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

It's just yeah, it's it is it's an exciting, it's such a huge event.

SPEAKER_07 39:52

Um I love watching the videos of the culture shock the Europeans are having from what they hear about the United States and what they actually experience when they get here. It's it's actually kind of funny.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Yeah, tell us about it, Steve.

SPEAKER_07 40:10

Well, like for the food, and like you know, the only thing they hear about is the media, how they portray America, you know, fat people in McDonald's is like pretty much all you hear about in Walmart. And they uh they come over here and they, you know, because some of the games are Walmart. Exactly. And you know, some people are like some of the games are in Texas and they're trying, you know, Southern barbecue for the first time. Oh their minds are absolutely blown away.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 40:36

Like, how do you make green beans taste so good?

SPEAKER_02 40:38

Yeah, all we all we ever do in England is boil our meat. There was a thing where they were in London, Great Britain, and they were it was school-age kids, like freshmen and high school, eighth graders, tenth graders, mostly high schoolers, and they were bringing them like American style foods and stuff, like barbecue. They brought them some Chick-fil-A, some Wendy's. I think I've seen that on TikTok. It goes around every so often, and it's like they're just like, Oh, this is oh, they did biscuits and gravy. And the kids are like, What it no, no, no, and then they start eating it and they're like, Oh, mother of water, this is very nice. Sorry about the terrible accent, but it's just like, dude, they just uh it's that's awesome, Steve. I'm glad I didn't know about that story. That's great.

SPEAKER_07 41:25

And of course, there's the bad things too, because you know, we don't have any public transportation or very little public transportation for these games. And right, they think they can walk from their hotel to the to the stadiums, and obviously that's not uh recommended.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

No, like New York, you can't like MetLife is terrible.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

Well, can you imagine if somebody was accidentally wearing a Spurs shirt walking to a World Cup game?

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 41:52

If they're finding out how big the United States is, because you know, like England, for instance, is playing in like Kansas City, New York, in San Antonio, and they want to go to all these games, but you know, they're like six, ten, thirteen hours away from each other.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Yeah, New York to San Antonio is a 20, probably 22-hour drive. And then you know, the there there are trains that will take you there, but they're still 150 bucks. Two, three days.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yeah. Might as well just get on a greyhound.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

Oh god, don't I yeah. I did with Steve and I did that once. It was terrible. My shit guy missed the whole experience.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

My greyhound caught on fire, so I win. We got left buttons.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

So did my car, and so did your cruise ship. So don't travel with Nick, anybody. Yeah, no kidding. Don't let him change your brakes. He burned down my house.

SPEAKER_07 42:48

Um, odds are a fire is gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Anyway, so yeah, really, really, really fun. It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be a lot of fun. So we'll we'll definitely be covering it a little bit, folks, and just you know, stay tuned. So um it'll be a lot of fun. World Cup's always a big thing. So um, and then so with that, we'll get into uh the the NHL Stanley Cup playoff is uh going on. We're we got what game five is coming up in Carolina. You got it's 2-2. Um, Carolina finally switched to their goalie, Busy. Um, the other night. Carolina in that game just couldn't get out of their own way. Um knocked two of the goals in, including the game winner, just on their own. It's like, but I don't think Carolina with Bussy in Carolina. I I don't think they're gonna lose another game. I think it's over, it's gonna be six, it's still in six. I don't think Carolina loses another game. So um, it's been exciting, it's been a lot of fun to watch. Love Mitch Marner's success. Um with Bussy with Bussy in it, those for those that don't know, Bussy carried Carolina this season, like In the goaltender. He was hurt, and so they put Freddie Anderson in. He got hot. That's why he was in there. Busy's the starter of this team. I don't even think Anderson's on the Carolina Hurricanes. He's a free agent. I don't think he comes back to Carolina because Busy's gonna be their goalie. He's their goalie of the future.

SPEAKER_07 44:18

So um I mean he's 27 years old.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Right. Yep. Which is is young for a goaltender. Goaltenders always do take longer to develop. Um, but yeah, I I think that's it. I think it's uh I think I see Carolina raising the cup in Vegas in a couple of nights. So but uh yeah, what do you think, Steve? What's your take so far?

SPEAKER_07 44:42

Well, I mean, I'm being a I'm obviously biased since I'm a Carolina fan, but yeah, yeah, I know. Um, you know, it's been a great series. It's a lot, it's been a lot's fun to watch, by the way. Yeah, it's been way different than I thought it was gonna be. I thought it was gonna be a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

This is gonna suck.

SPEAKER_07 45:04

And as of right now, it might go down as one of the best. Honestly. Because I thought it was gonna be, you know, two, three goals per person at the most. I mean, we get them five or six now. It's it's been crazy.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Yeah, it has. Uh glad Braden McNabb is back, absolute fucking beast of a hockey player. Like, just takes one in the face and is back the next game. Like, what a hockey player. 30-something stitches, I think they said he got. Sorry, excuse me, sorry, effed up. He dude took took one right in the kisser, bro. Like, I mean, the I think the visor stopped it a little bit, but not really. It may have prevented him from uh needing surgery, surgery, reconstructive surgery, probably gonna still need surgery, but it's gonna wait. So, Braden McNabb, hats off to you, brother, man. Absolute stud, buddy. Um, if I know if there's anything that I know, if that had happened to me, I'd be like, just get me back on the ice tonight. So I guarantee he wanted to go back on the ice that night. But he had to go to the house.

SPEAKER_07 46:19

But that many stitches, I'd be surprised if his nose was still attached.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Yeah, I I'm just saying, like, I guarantee he wanted back on that ice that night.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

All these guys do.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Just to prove I I would have been like, just get me back to where I can go. Put a cage on, do what you need to do, just get me on the ice, just get me back in this game.

SPEAKER_07 46:39

Yeah, especially since it's the Stanley Cup.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

That's what I'm saying, dude. If I'm in it, it just as a I played hockey at a decently high level, and I'm just saying, like, you all you're thinking about is getting back on the ice. I don't want to go to the hospital. No, you need to go to the hospital. Like he had to go, but I'm just saying I can almost guarantee he wanted back on the ice that night. But the fact that he was able to take a day off, and I I promise you, it does not matter every single time he hits the boards or anything, he's in pain. It hurts. Guaranteed, it's he's in so much pain, dude. I don't care how many pain pills he's taken, whatever, he's in pain. So absolute stud muffin that kid. So, anyway, uh, Brandon, you got anything?

SPEAKER_06 47:27

Yeah, it's reminds me of the old uh like one of my favorite series, the Rangers and Canucks. It's sure it's been a wonderful series, it's just uh back and forth. Like, yeah, no lead has been comfortable. There a team could have a 10-0 lead, and I'd still be like, oh, I don't know, they could still come back.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Yeah, god, Carolina scored three goals in 39 seconds the other night. I like well, and then the game before Vegas did it.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Like, there's both these teams are ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Yeah, it's a power. I think again, I think the X factor was Anderson. I think that's that's gonna be the difference in the rest of the series, is is Carolina's goaltender switch.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

So we'll see.

SPEAKER_07 48:10

It was doing really well for the first couple games and for pretty much the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Well, yeah, the double overtime goal was just Vegas. Carolina knocked in what was it, the third or fourth goal of that game, and then knock in the the overtime when I'm just like, Jesus Christ, they can't get out of their own way, they should be up. I they they honestly should be up 3-1 in the series, but it's the bounces and it just goes your way sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. It went Vegas' way in that game, and it's like great. And you had Marner also set a Stanley Cup record for the fastest natural hat trick in NHL Stanley Cup history by scoring one in six minutes and 39 seconds.

SPEAKER_07 48:52

And how many goals have been taken away from the golden knife? So we talked about this.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

Listen, I Vegas fans, you're just embarrassing yourself. I like they are. I was like, I got online and I'm like, would you goons stop? Like you're making yourself look stupid, like not even just flat out stupid. Like, stop. Those were so blatantly obviously gonna be no goals. It was like, are they even really going to? I guess Toronto's got to tell them, but it was like so obvious to anybody. It's like, what are you booing? Like the one yesterday where they like that the guy was two feet inside the blue line before the puck came across the line. You're booing. I please tell me you're booing the player for being a dum-dum and not the caller, the rep, but then they start going ref, you suck, and it's like Vegas, buddy, you're making yourself look like morons. Stop. Just stop. So it was like, Jesus. So, yeah, it it just yeah, Vegas came out looking like with egg on their face that night, but yeah, it is what it is. So what do you think, Nick?

SPEAKER_00 50:12

I just think it's funny. Uh, you know, we're talking about the bouncing puck off the boards, getting kicked in or slapped in by their own team in game three. Uh, game four, the hurricane came out and bounced the puck off the end and then got a goal off of it. It wasn't put in by the Golden Knights, but like it's just this is what you know how we talked about how the um the Canadians were very selective in their shots, like yeah, single digits through two periods, not a weird thing, and they'd still have two goals. You're like, huh.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Um they won game seven against Tampa Bay with nine total shots on goal, right?

SPEAKER_00 50:52

And I get that, but like when you're dealing with playoff hockey, sometimes the move is just throw it at the net, just get it.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

We we have to get a clean that's good towards the net.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Yeah, yeah, you never know what's gonna happen. No, you don't, and this is a great example. It's been beyond fun to watch. I have gone, I have peed and missed two goals, and I don't have medical problems that would require me to like take a long bathroom break. It is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

It you work on stuff like that in practice, too, guys. Like when you have unlimited ice time, like you do in the pros, you work on stuff like this. You work on, especially on your home ice, like when you're practicing, not at your practice facility, but on on in the arena, you'll you'll work the boards and see where to throw the puck. That's part of having home ice advantage. You'll rattle them around the boards and see what partition, how many times you can get it to bounce. I remember one time with a guy and juniors, we sat for hours on the ice just throwing pucks from blue line to blue line, blue line to blue line, red line to red line, and we just play catch that way. We'd go to the far blue line, all the way around, all the way around. And you're just testing the boards to see what they're gonna do. Uh, point guys, your defenseman. We sat there once for two and a half hours after practice, just screwing around, just throwing pucks, like trying to do the V, see where the puck lands, go from this point behind the net, try to hit the boards and see if you can get it to come right back out. You do like an open net one to do you do it, you tip drills, tip drills, high slot, low slot, right in front of the net, in the paint, or sorry, right in front of the paint, side of the paint. It's like you'll do this for hours, and you don't even realize you're on the ice, you're just out there having fun. I remember for us, it was uh oh my god, there was once where we put on we had two songs C D and it was offspring. La la la la la la and then um don't do that again. Um and then the other one was uh sorry, but I was drunk again, or something like that. So anyway, it was lit. The band lit. So yeah, we did that for yeah, just hours. So anyway, so yeah, they're gonna do that stuff. It's gonna be ricochets. You're gonna do those drills and stuff like that, and it's a lot of fun. So anyway. Um so uh this week, uh oh, so anybody else for anything for game five or the rest of the series? Anybody got anything?

SPEAKER_00 53:41

No, I have no idea who's gonna win, but it's gonna go seven games.

SPEAKER_07 53:44

And the way it's been going, it's probably yeah, seven games. I mean okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:51

I still think it's gonna be six. I think it's over. So you think Carolina or Knights. With Bussy, with Bussy now in net and getting comfortable. I if yeah, if he finds his real groove, like I think he's going to, it's just there, I that's gonna be your that's gonna be your difference maker. And now I don't know who the cons gonna be for Carolina at this point. But yeah, I think it's I think it's I think it's still Carolina and six. Just because it's like game game three, it just I it shouldn't have been Vegas. It's like I I feel like Carolina should have won that game in the long run. And so it's like I feel like it should be 3-1. So it's 2-2. I get it. It's like okay. But no, I don't I don't think Carolina's gonna lose another game. I hope so. We'll see. I just I and it's it's just based on what I'm seeing on the on on the ice. Has I could care less about either team.

SPEAKER_07 54:51

So uh Madison went to the game last night. At the yeah, so she's been going almost everything.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

So anyway, they saw that watch the game.

SPEAKER_07 55:03

Okay, yeah, but they so they did this thing on the uh on the ice where they had the like a circle with the na number, and they kind of projected them down on so you can watch it on the screen and watch the images run around on the ice.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

Sure, yeah. I've seen stuff like that. It's it's pretty neat what those arenas can do now.

SPEAKER_07 55:22

So and it was completely packed. Yeah, there wasn't an open seat for old no way game.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

Sure, they were a lot of arenas are doing that, yeah. It's it's pretty neat. So right on, man. Well, with that said, this week's top five is the top five dirtiest players in the NHL. Some call them a rat. What is a rat? A rat is uh, ladies, for those of you who want to, you know, maybe again, you're hanging out with your boyfriend, you see something dirty, maybe a player does something dirty, it's like, man, what a rat. Guy a player that does a slew foot, which is like pushing the player skate out from behind, maybe a cheap trip on purpose, maybe a player that tries to bait players in by playing dirty. A dirty player essentially is like a rat. However, if you have a player on your team that's a rat, they're real good about getting under the player's skin. So, yeah, Buffalo's got one. I love him. You got Brad Marshan for Florida, anyway. Um, that way is what a rat is. So if you ever say a player, you can always look at your boyfriend and be like, man, that guy's a rat. So that's what rat means. That's what yeah. So um, anyway, yeah. So, yeah, with that said, um, we are gonna get into the top five dirtiest players of all time, based on just, you know, kind of our opinion, what we think. Um, let's get into it. Top five this week, top five dirtiest players in NHL history. This is history, this is what we are looking at overall. So, Steve.

SPEAKER_07 57:09

Yeah, um, Nick's gonna be mad because I know he has this one too. It's gonna be Dale Hunter. Um Dale Hunter, yeah. Uh injuring Perry. Um that's uh it's kind of funny, it's actually known as the hit. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

Oh, when he blindsided uh Pierre Turgen? Yep. Turjon.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

He's also, since this is this is your number five. Yes. Okay, I'm just gonna go out and say this is my number five, too. So he's the only player in NHL history with a thousand points and 3,500 penalty minutes.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_06 57:51

Brandon, it's the G five. My number five, I went with Claude Lemieux. Claude Lemieux, huh? He's one of the reasons why that Avalanche and Red Wings had their intense rivalries.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Some of the best hockey I've ever watched.

SPEAKER_06 58:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

Yeah. I yeah, I get it. That's that's fair. It's funny. So my number five is Gordy Howe. So and and some people may disagree with Gordy Howe, but there's a reason why it's called the Gordy Howe hat trick, and that's because of the fight. It is it's it's literally a thing. Some may not realize that Gordy Howe's game was was very, very dirty at times. Like he did some pretty sleazy shit, and it's like because he's like what uh third now all time with 801 goals. It's like everybody talks about it, and he's a legend, legend in so many ways, but that just shows you how good Gordy Howe was because he played such a dirty game at times, and he he did the Gordy How hat trick I don't know how many times in his career, but uh yeah, that's my number five is old Gordy Howe.

SPEAKER_07 59:01

I mean, I knew I've heard of him. Uh, he was he died before I was even born. Uh no, he was still playing hot. I mean, sorry, he stopped playing before I was even born. He decided he died in 2016, and I was just looking him up and seeing a because I remember hearing about him, but I've never actually obviously seen him play.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Yeah. So have you ever seen that famous Gordy Howe poster um where he's comp completely parallel to the ice, like in the middle of taking a shot? That's a Gordy. I mean, that's Gordy Howe going all out.

SPEAKER_02 59:36

Gotcha. Well, all right, Steve, number four.

SPEAKER_07 59:40

Oh, it's my turn. All right. Um maybe you can help me with his last name, Chris Pronger.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

Pronger.

SPEAKER_07 59:47

Pronger. Uh, he has the most suspensions in of any player.

SPEAKER_02 59:53

Yeah, and he was good too. He was such an absolute beast, dude. He was so big for the blues, number 44. I know who pronger is, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:02

Eight times he's been he's been suspended.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

Yeah, more times, what, than any other player in any place?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:07

The most, yeah. That's why he's on my list because he had the most.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

It's a pretty good reason, though. Brandon the stuff, what's up?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:13

Number four. My number four is Ulaf Samuelson, known for ending the career of Cam Neely back in '91 with the brutal hit to his knees. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:26

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Good number four. Uh, Nick, number four. Chris Pronger. Thanks, Steve. These guys are literally two for two. Uh, my number four, Sean Avery. Um, Sean Avery was literally the most hated guy in hockey at the time during his era. Um, just real quick, often bent the rules or just outright broke them. Um, is best known for agitating and antagonizing opponents, but refusing to drop the gloves and fight them when challenged. He was a rat. And one of the best rats of all time. But anybody that knows hockey knows Sean Avery was a uh yeah, players hated him. So one of those players that if you got traded to your team, you're like, seriously? Where's the GM? All right, Steve, number three.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:21

Number three, uh Nazim. Played for the Colorado Avalanche.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

You're talking about current.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:28

Yes, this is my agree. Well, this is only one of my well, actually, yeah, technically three of current ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:37

All the rest of mine are current players.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:41

Okay. Reason. Re I mean, he likes to go after people's knees.

unknown 1:01:52

All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:52

I mean, is that a good enough reason?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

I mean, yeah. I mean, I okay. I get I just curious. That's all. All right, Brandon, the stuff, number three.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:01

Number three is an old school pick with Dave the Hammer Schultz. One of the reasons why taping your hands is illegal in hockey. He loved to do that. He also loved to pull guys' hair since nobody wore helmets back then. Yeah, and also and he also had buddy guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

Yeah. Yep. That's a good one. I like it. Nick, number three.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

Number three, I'm going with the great ones, personal bodyguard, Marty McSorley.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

Yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Uh, the main, like, the main reason is the one of the stories that I still remember is uh he lost a fight to Donald Bashir in a game, and then later in that game, he slashed him in the temple with his stick. He fell backwards, hitting his head. I think there was five seconds left. Like he scored a game-winning goal, and then he just got attacked. Marty was eventually suspended for a year and found guilty of assault in a Canadian court.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

Yeah, yeah, it was a pretty big deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

I remember that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

Uh ended Donald Brashir's career. Yeah. So his concussion from that was massive. Yeah. That's that's a good one and an unfortunate one, but yeah, definitely. I could see why it's on a list. Yeah. Um, my number three is gonna be Dave Brown. Um, I just Dave Brown was part of the broad broad street bullies, the Flyers, that whole time. They were not fun to play against. Um, you know, so real quick, um Dave Brown was a tough guy with the Flyers the bulk of his career, but also played for the Oilers and Sharks as when the Sharks were an expansion team. Um, so he had in 789 games, he had 45 goals and 1789 penalty minutes. It's pretty clear why he was on the ice. I mean, if you saw him on the ice, it's just like, okay, yeah. So it uh in October of 1987, Brown made one of the dirtiest plays in NHL history. He basically took a two-handed baseball type swing at the face of Thomas Sandstrom of the Rangers. There was no excuse for the play, and the league made Brown sit for the next 15 games, was all he got. 15 games. That shows you how much the NHL has changed. So, yeah. Like grabbed his stick and just swung it right at his face. Anyway, that's my number three. Steve, number two.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:46

You're muted. Oh, number my number two is Brad Marshawn.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Two current players. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:56

Yep. That's well, that'll be the last one. But yeah, I mean, I had to put him on there because he's I mean, he's known for playing dirty.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

Yeah, I yeah. I mean, he definitely he has a way of getting under players' skins. There's no there's no question about it. It's you know, yeah, I get it. I do. Um, yeah, that's a good one. That is a good one. Uh, Brandon, what do you got?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:28

My number two is Chris Simon. Okay. Between two dirty hits, he got suspended for 55 games and ended up having to leave the NHL to go to the KHL.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

Right. Okay. Left and had to go to the KHL, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:49

Okay. I just lost my place here. Uh Nick.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Nick, number two is uh Brad Marshall. And Marchand, um, for he's known as the king of the rats among current players because of his trash talking, chirping, and he occasionally crosses physical lines. But my favorite reason is that he has licked the face of two NHL players on the ice to intimidate them.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:21

And that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

Yeah, they they made really funny video for his 1000th game. It was it was 1,000th point, something like that. Both players were in the video joking, messing with them. So oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:31

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:32

Yeah, pretty funny. So, all right. Uh, my number two is gonna be Dale Hunter. Um, Dale Hunter packed up 3,563 career penalty minutes. Um, it ranks him second all time behind Tiger Williams. But um the most infamous act, and I remember this, was uh in place the deciding game of the 1993 playoffs against the New York Islanders. New York's Pierre Turgeon scored a big goal for the Isles, and Hunter came across and checked him hard almost full five seconds after he scored the goal.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

He ended up separating his shoulder.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Yeah, separated his shoulder on a play, missed nearly the entire following series against Pittsburgh. Hunter was suspended for 21 games as a result of his cheap shot. He made a career of these types of hits. He was an absolute menace. So that's why he's on my list at number two. And still not as bad as number one. Steve, number one.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:39

Yeah, I mean, I'm you might have somebody else might have this one, but whenever I looked, uh did some research and I looked up any time of variation of a dirty player, yeah, Matt Cook was the top of the list.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Yeah. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:53

Yeah. I know who, yeah. Okay. Number one, Matt Cook. Brandon? Oh, go ahead, Steve. No, go ahead, Brandon.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:04

Brandon. Uh my number one was Marty McSorley. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:18

Yeah. The fact that I mean he was found guilty. It for me with McSorley, was that was really the only, and it was really horrendous. But other than that, he was just an enforcer for me. That's why I didn't put him on my list as a dirtiest player. But I understand why why he's there. I get it. Yeah. So, right on. Uh, Nick, number one.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

Number one. Um, much like Steve again. Uh, Matt Cook has been labeled the worst rat in NHL history. He's attempted to end multiple players' careers, including blindside hits to uh Mark Savard, and even used his skate to slice the Achilles tendon of Eric Carlson. That's just doesn't really have a place in hockey.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

All right. Uh, my number one is Chris Simon because he set records for the most suspensions in the league, most career-ending hits in the league. So that's why Chris Simon's number one on my list. It's like, and and it none of them were explainable. You know, there was no like, well, it's knee on knee, but yeah, he probably didn't mean to do that. It was just like Chris Simon was uh an NHL tough guy, but also what people don't realize is he had severe anger management issues, still dealt with it after he left the NHL. He went to the went to jail because of anger management issues. Like um Simon, uh, I think, and what what else I found was on my research, it was Chris Simon was at the top of most of the list that I found NHL players lists and things like that. It was always Chris Simon. So it it's for me again, it was like uh eight suspensions from the league of 10 games or more in his career. Um there was an incident where he used racial slurs to refer to an opponent, uh, cross-check to the head of Peter Popovich. Um the two incidents that took place in 2007. First, Simon swung his stick like a baseball bat to the head of Rangers Ryan Halwig, that resulted in a 25-game ban same season. Um, or it was early the following season that Simon deliberately stepped on the back of the leg of Pittsburgh's uh Jocko Rutu while the Penn's player was prone on the ice and injured. The league suspended Simon then for 30 games as a result of the hit, and the two incidents all but ended his NHL career, the NHL. Only time the NHL has ever permanently suspended. Oh, I don't know, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:04

CTE victim, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

Yeah, and that and again, like Brandon said earlier, he went to the KHL. He's kind of banned. Uh also it wasn't listed, but he got suspended from the KHL as well. Um, but players on his team raved about him.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:24

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:25

I don't know. Anyway, man, uh he's the only player to get permanently suspended from two professional hockey leagues. So Chris Simon, my hat's off to you. So there you have it, folks. Uh, if you're looking at this, let us know what you think of everybody's list, their number ones, whatever. Um, and uh let us know in the comments. So um hope everybody's enjoying the NBA finals. Um, hopefully it doesn't put you to sleep like it does me. Uh, if you're watching the NHL playoffs, I'm sure you're thoroughly entertained. Uh Steve, final thoughts.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:00

Uh enjoy the finishing of the Stanley Cup. It should be over by the time we uh are back on here. So we want to know who the who the winner is that end of um the NBA finals as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:10

So yeah, absolutely. Thanks, man. And uh, Brandon, any last words, final thoughts?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:16

Just send it out to love to famous wrestler Conan, who recently had to have both of his legs amputated due to health reasons. So hopefully he recovers from that. Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

My god. All right, yeah, hopefully. Shit, that's pretty major. Jesus. Um, Nick Brown.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Any final thoughts, buddy? I'm just gonna keep it short and simple. I am imploring the city of New York to act your age.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:47

Oh, yeah, I I agree completely with you.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:50

With some restraint, for God's sake.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

Yeah. Coming from somebody who doesn't understand it at all, just don't. Please, Jesus, let's play basketball. Go shoot your three-pointers and let's move on.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:08

And uh go Vegas. I'm rooting for Vegas now.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

Scum, yeah, just the people that, yeah, those kids. Yeah. So right on. All right, everybody. Thank you. Don't forget to like, follow, and subscribe. Check out our YouTube channel and subscribe to this very podcast. We appreciate your support. Also, check us out on TikTok. Uh, thank you, everybody. We'll see you next week. Cheers. Thanks, everybody. Hope everybody's happy and healthy.