Alternative Colchester #6

Episode 6 of Alternative Colchester sees your hosts Steve Green and Tim Young back in their natural habitat — no guests, no frills, just two mates with strong opinions, a pile of classic punk singles and plenty to say. The football chat is as passionate and unfiltered as ever, with the latest Colchester United and Ipswich Town fortunes dissected in forensic detail alongside the customary "friendly" rivalry banter, delivered with the kind of impartiality you'd expect from this show, which is to say, none whatsoever. There's wider football chat too, covering whatever has caught Steve and Tim's eye across the game that week and with input from producer Luke, another tractor boy!! The music, as always, is absolutely on point, with a cracking selection of punk classics from 1976 to 1981 including tracks from The Unwanted, The Stiffs, The Vibrators, Chelsea, The Shapes and inevitably and gloriously, Stiff Little Fingers. Episode 6 is warm, funny, opinionated and completely unpretentious. Just two blokes who love their football clubs and their punk rock, doing what they do best. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:54

Hello, welcome to this special edition of Alternative Colchester. Um, with me, Tim Young, and me, Steve Green. Now we've put that one in for you because it's Steve's birthday today, everybody, so we put a bit of altered images.

SPEAKER_08 1:07

That's two weeks running, two episodes running that you've actually uh got together with the producer and tucked me up like a kipper.

SPEAKER_07 1:14

Well, I thought you'd like that. I mean it slightly goes over the criteria because it's 1981.

SPEAKER_08 1:19

I think we're gonna have to stretch this to 1981. Sound a couple of times now.

SPEAKER_07 1:23

I think you think you're right.

SPEAKER_08 1:24

76 to 81, new rule.

SPEAKER_07 1:25

Okay, fair enough. Claire Grogan, of course, does punk rock and football because she was in Gregory's Girl, which was the film about football.

SPEAKER_08 1:33

I'd forgotten about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:34

Yeah, so it it's all sorts of reasons we should play that.

SPEAKER_08 1:37

So happy birthday, Stu. Thank you very much. It's St. Patrick's Day as well. I know that people, when they're listening to this, it won't be, but as we're recording it, it is St. Patrick's Day. Yes, indeed. Great stuff. Okay, well that's caught me by surprise actually, and I really like that song. I actually forgot how good it was. It's a really good song, isn't it? Yeah, at the time. I thought, oh, this isn't really punk rock, but now that I've mellowed 50 years, is it later since that, then or 40 odd years later, it does sound really good. Good guitar, then uh I'll be playing that again later in full. Good. Excellent. Alright, well this week's show is I've tried to be a little bit football oriented as well. So you've done that with um Claire Grogan. Um I can't remember too much about that film though.

SPEAKER_07 2:20

Well, Gregory's Girl, Dee Hepburn was in it. It was it was a really good film. It was mainly Scottish, and it involved women playing football, which is very topical at the moment, of course, as well.

SPEAKER_08 2:30

Okay. I think it might have been the Scotland thing that put me off. Um apologies to any Scots uh listening to this show, that was a joke. Bad one. Um now this first record we're gonna play, Tim, it's actually a request, and I'm only gonna play one request this week because I'm actually getting fed up and not playing my own choices. Um but this one was requested quite a while ago. Uh not sure I even want to play it. I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is football related and it is the Cockney Rejects, good band. Um, but you know, they were big West Ham fans, and it's great if you like punk rock and West Ham, but if you like punk rock and a different team to West Ham, not so good, is it? No, not so good. No. We did play the addicts in the last show. No, that was alright. That was alright. Big Ipswich fans. Of course. And you're gonna tell us all about a gig you went to in Ipswich. I'm gonna tell you all about that gig later. I missed that. And we've got a big gig coming up this Saturday as well, so we can talk about that later.

SPEAKER_07 3:22

Yeah, we've got lots to talk about. And football.

SPEAKER_08 3:24

Yeah. Alright, without further ado, let's listen to Rob Payne's request. Thanks for this, Rob. I think this is another wind up. Uh, but this is the Cockney Rejects and the very long I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

That's why that's fine, that's fine, that's why it's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_08 7:07

I believe that Rob is also a Cole U fan, so he actually might know because the producer and my co-host here, Tim, um, have just been moaning uh that West Ham have actually upset Ipswich a few times in the playoffs, is that correct?

SPEAKER_07 7:22

Thanks for reminding us. Yeah, uh yeah, I have. I remember Bobby.

SPEAKER_08 7:25

Nice request, Rob. Good choice.

SPEAKER_07 7:27

Bobby Zamora put one in on there.

SPEAKER_08 7:28

Marlon Harewood.

SPEAKER_07 7:29

Marlon Marlon Harewood, yeah. I met Bobby Zamora and um he crowed about he found out it was an Ipswich fan, crowed about the goal he scored against us in the playoffs. But Mark Noble was with him, and Mark Noble had a spell on loan with Ipswich. And he was a good player, Mark Noble.

SPEAKER_08 7:45

He was a good player, yeah. Really good player.

SPEAKER_07 7:46

A bit of a West Ham legend, but West Ham, I mean, they're a bit of a joke club. They might be coming down to the championship.

SPEAKER_08 7:52

You might be replacing them.

SPEAKER_07 7:54

Well, we'll talk about that later, Steve. Yeah. Might do.

SPEAKER_08 7:58

You've had a better week than me. Yeah, that's true. That's most weeks, uh.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

Wolves, uh Wolves and Burnley probably gone.

SPEAKER_08 8:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:04

And then uh it might be between Spurs and West Ham for the other relegation place, and I I don't know which I'd favour. I can't stand either of them.

SPEAKER_08 8:12

Not in a Forest or also in the mix, are they?

SPEAKER_07 8:13

Yeah, I don't I want Forest to stay up.

SPEAKER_08 8:15

They all picked up points. All the bottom teams picked up points. Or those ones um vying for the uh third and final.

SPEAKER_07 8:22

We don't care much about the premiership this season, do we?

SPEAKER_08 8:25

Uh I don't care about it any season. I couldn't care less about it. Uh yeah. But uh no, we haven't had a bad run. We'd uh we'd won 2-1 away at Newport County uh a week before last, and we drew nil-nil at home in the week to Crawley, who we really should have beaten there.

SPEAKER_07 8:47

That was a Friday night game, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_08 8:48

It was a Friday night game.

SPEAKER_07 8:49

We had to get a Friday night game back in Colchester because you always used to play on a Friday night.

SPEAKER_08 8:54

Yeah, it was live on Sky and there was over five thousand at the game, and Crawley wouldn't have brought many, so it was a good event. I wasn't there, I was in Spain, I was watching it in a f outside of in the freezing gold in Spain, um, and the bar was packed, um, but the veranda had one person on it, me, watching it on TV. No one else was interested.

SPEAKER_07 9:13

Goal is draw with Crawley.

SPEAKER_08 9:15

I mean, what's the matter with these people? I know, I know, I know. What do they do for fun over there?

SPEAKER_07 9:20

Should we do another song?

SPEAKER_08 9:21

Yeah, your choice. What are we going for?

SPEAKER_07 9:23

Um I I love this song and and uh when I played it again recently, I re I like a bit like altered images, I've forgotten how good it was. Uh The Unwanted, you'll probably know a lot more about The Unwanted than I do, but this song really blew me away at the time and uh hearing it again it hasn't lost any of its appeal. Well I do know a little bit about them.

SPEAKER_08 9:42

Yeah. And uh that they were a talentless, talentless London band, but they were on the live at the Roxy album, which actually charted in 1977. And they are regarded as possibly the only completely talentless band that have ever been in the top twenty. But that was picked more by um it w it wasn't deliberate. But what's really great about it is two members went on to be in the psychedelic first. Right. And one went on to be in the barracudas, Robert Robin Willis, and I love the barracudas, yeah. I love the barracudas. So they are definitely gonna feature in an upcoming episode. But you are right, they they made two great songs uh records on Raw Records, which was a good punk rock label. The users were also on Raw and a few others, Kill Joys. Um but yeah, good joys, I like it. Shall we hear it?

SPEAKER_07 10:27

This is uh the Unwanted and Secret Police.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

Shade men, shadem eggs, going around and collecting the facts. I don't want your secret flees, I don't want your spies, I don't want your bright red eye, I don't need your lies. Spies all over flames, buying games, spies all over, always changing their names, spies all over in the polling rain. They must be stupid to play that game. I don't want your secret release, I don't need your spies, I don't want your private eye, I don't need your lies. Secret, it's always dress up late, secret, you toys wash the feet, secret, it's always reaches but the love, the country, right or wrong. I don't want your secret pieces, I don't need your spice, I don't need your private eye, I don't need your life. Shade of men, shade of maps, going around and collecting the facts. I don't want your secret police. I don't need your price. I don't need your private eye, I don't need your lies.

SPEAKER_08 13:24

The unwanted and secret police love it. That was an early punk go at white reggae, I'd say. Not a bad one. Yeah, I feel bad about calling them talentless now because that leap break was pretty good. Private eye uh uh spy sort of theme to it, isn't it? But I loved it. Yeah. Great song.

SPEAKER_07 13:43

Now you mentioned uh at the start of the show that it's St. Patrick's Day as well as your birthday.

SPEAKER_08 13:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:48

And uh we did when we had Tony Gardner on at the last episode, um, I played uh a song by the Tear Jokers called Murder Mystery, and we didn't know a lot about them. No. Oh, I think we've both done a bit of research, and because it's St Patrick's Day, they're they're another Irish band, aren't they?

SPEAKER_08 14:02

I know, and I should have known that really, shouldn't I? I should have known that. I do pride myself on my Irish uh punk.

SPEAKER_07 14:07

And they were around with Rudy and Stiff Little Fingers, the undertones, and the tear jokers were in that i in that combination.

SPEAKER_08 14:14

They were um but yeah, I I I I didn't know I didn't know. I didn't know, but I have done my research. I've been playing it. I've been playing that record a lot. I off off air as well. It's uh it was a really good choice, so you actually educated me on the last uh episode. I do appreciate that. I do appreciate that. Well I did say I was gonna try and keep uh uh a football connection, and this is a really, really loose football col connection because the name of the band is Chelsea, which I always find really weird because it's when you Google Chelsea and you want to find out a little bit about Chelsea and the records they made, and you know, Gene October was right there at the beginning with it with it. Or he was in the Jubilee film, wasn't he? And uh obviously um Generation X, Billy Idol and uh Tony James, I think, were both in the ear early version of Chelsea and then split to perform Generation X. That didn't end well, did it? Um but yeah, they were uh it's it's a funny name for a band and uh it's a bit like London as well. That's another weird name for a band, because when you Google London, you just read about the capital city of the United Kingdom or England. Yeah. Um but yeah, Chelsea bad name. I think they should have if they'd had a better name, I think Chelsea might have uh been one of the punk rock stalwarts because their output was absolutely fantastic.

SPEAKER_07 15:33

Really good. Talking of Chelsea, I'm gonna ask my uh producer Luke. Luke, have you seen uh Our producer. Our producer, sorry. Uh have you seen Liam Dilapsport on lo s social media?

SPEAKER_09 15:47

I did he put a picture of himself celebrating an Ipswich Cold, didn't he? That wasn't his Ipswich Cold against Chelsea, do you think?

SPEAKER_07 15:53

He's not it might be, he's n he's n he's fallen out with him a bit, isn't he? And there's rumours that if we go up again he might be coming back.

SPEAKER_09 16:01

Yeah, I mean I'll take him back.

SPEAKER_07 16:03

Whether we could afford him is another thing, so yeah, well with the Prem money, but um, you know, we're probably getting ahead of ourselves, but it was nice to see him. He's pretty he's put a post uh picture on social media of him celebrating a goal in the next picture.

SPEAKER_08 16:16

Well keeping Chelsea uh as the topic, uh see they've just been fined ten point seven five million, so that's a drop in the ocean, they're not even gonna pay it. No.

SPEAKER_07 16:25

And but no point. No, because they sort of reported themselves. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 16:31

And reported uh a Brammer.

SPEAKER_08 16:36

A Bram of here, yeah. Well the reason there was no point deduction though is because even if that money hadn't been uh dirty money, they still wouldn't have acceded to the money you're allowed to spend under the fair play rules, and that is why they weren't deducted at the big points. But the reason why the decline wasn't bigger and the transfer embargo wasn't immediate is because they played all within investigation.

SPEAKER_07 17:02

Yeah, yeah, they reported themselves, didn't they?

SPEAKER_08 17:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where does this leave Man City though?

SPEAKER_09 17:06

That's what I was gonna ask. Yeah, well, they get away with everything, don't they? They'll be back down to League One soon, if they Yeah, they're troubled emotions.

SPEAKER_07 17:14

They've got they've got the best lawyers in the world, they've got more money than Scents, so I d I think Man City will probably get away with it. Play the song, Steve.

SPEAKER_08 17:22

That'll set that'll s that that'll set a bad precedent though if they get away with it. I mean, like Louis will Rangers got relegated two divisions or was it three divisions?

SPEAKER_09 17:30

It took them a while to get back up to the Yeah, it happened to Juventus as well, though, didn't it? What did uh they got they got relegated from Sarah, didn't they?

SPEAKER_08 17:38

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:39

I bet you it won't happen to Man C.

SPEAKER_08 17:41

No, no. Shall we play Chelsea? Play Chelsea. No one's coming outside. That never gets old, does it? That never ever gets old. In fact, I think Gene October would have quite liked a massage on the Swedish Prime Minister, but we won't uh we won't go into that. In fact, it actually does actually, without being too controversial, uh lead us into the next song. Um which I actually had to listen to a few times before I sent it to Luke uh to form the playlist because uh I've played a couple of wrong tracks recently, not not as in the titles or the bands, but versions. So uh Mark at Captain Oi uh reprimanded me um severely uh for playing the wrong version of Solitary Confinement. It was a terrible version as well, yeah. It was really bad. And uh yeah, listening back to the show, I thought, oh no, how did that happen? And that would critique me for not downloading the uh correct version. And I'm not 100% sure, but I think I did a sort of dodgy version of I Don't Mind by the Buzzcogs. It kind of sounded like the original, but I think it might have been one that they re- re-recorded many years later to try and get around some royalties that would have been due to United Artists. So I'm gonna be much uh more uh involved and listen to tracks. And this is why I'm coming to this next one. Because is it supposed to be live, Martin by the Tom Robinson Band? No. Are you sure?

SPEAKER_07 22:39

The version I had was on a B side of one of his singles, and I fell in love with that song. Um when I saw him recently, I think I mentioned this before, in uh in Sudbury, he went to the Sudbury Key Theatre and he did an acoustic set and he did Martin and it was great. So I the v the version I love is not a live version. Have you picked a live version?

SPEAKER_08 23:01

Well, I have, but it's a live version from 1977, 77 which an official single, an official EP uncharted. Uh it wasn't the A-side.

SPEAKER_07 23:11

No, it must be then then. I didn't realise it was a live one.

SPEAKER_08 23:14

Yeah, I mean it's a it I it's live, it's a live EP, but all the tracks have got studio quality about them.

SPEAKER_07 23:20

So was it Don't Take No for an Answer?

SPEAKER_08 23:23

Uh I think it was. I think it was. I knew I had it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Don't Take No for an Answer, yeah.

unknown 23:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 23:32

Yeah, yeah. Okay, and Martin was on there as well. Fantastic. So um anyway, it's your track, do you want to introduce it?

SPEAKER_07 23:37

Yeah, I mean, um the Tom Robinson Band is part of the reason we're here, because it was Tom Robinson Band and Stiff Little Fingers that we saw at the university that uh got us together and we we uh reminisced over that fantastic gig. And um I just think this is a great song. It's um it's about family, it's about um it's a ditty, really. It's not it's not it's not gonna be thrash punk if anybody out there expecting it to be. But um it's about a story, a story about um well you'll hear what it's about when you when you listen to it.

SPEAKER_08 24:07

Yeah, his lyrics Tom Robinson's lyrics were superb. He was a punk poet, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_07 24:12

Absolute great lyricist. So shall we play it and then we could maybe talk a bit more about it after we've uh heard Martin by the Tom Robinson band.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

Just wanna tell you about Martin. Cause nobody I know's got a brother like him. As kids, we could never be parties. The neighbors all knew us as a terrible twins. Let's go. Some kids was always looking for fun, and Martin never wanted a fuss. Oh big man brown, thought he pushed him around. Being three years older than us. So we smash him in a teeth with a botroom stove. I got six of the best, ain't suspended from school, but it was worth it with a private Martin. It was worth it with a private like him. We used to need motors for a joy ride. Till we rammed a black Mariah in his XJ6. To give me private time to get clear. I had to punch a few policemen before I was next. Got four stove for Tatin and driving away, and beating up the boys in blue. Martin never missed a single visiting day. It's from clapping to crew with all mate. Racing mags and a little bit so news. Smuggling in sickies and a little bit. No one ever had a brava like Martin. Never had a brava like him. Look, people get the wrong impression with Martin. I know he didn't mix much, but he's no snob. I tell you, the weekend I'll come out of reminding. Got Uncle Ruby to buy me this job. And bad me nancy repainted my room. And bought me a brand new carpet. There was all my old records and books on the shelf. And a second hand telly from the market. You again a bit odd when you penny salt. I'm whenever I don't. I would never add a problem.

SPEAKER_07 27:09

You have picked the right version, Steve. That is the version I l know and love from all those years ago. Thank goodness. And he played it at Sudbury, and instead of all those 20-year-olds shouting out Martin, they were all us 60-year-olds shouting out Martin, me and Marky Stringer, and uh everybody who's in there. I think my brother was my brother there, my brother might have been there. But I love that song.

SPEAKER_08 27:28

His name weren't Martin, was it?

SPEAKER_07 27:30

My brother's Matthew.

SPEAKER_08 27:31

Oh yeah, well, never had a brother like Matthew. Matthew.

SPEAKER_07 27:34

My dad had a brother has got a brother called Martin. Um but yeah. Was it a true story or was it? I don't know. I've never received it.

SPEAKER_08 27:41

Because Tom Robinson always struck me as being quite sort of well to do, and yet if if that is about him, then he'd have been in Borstell and beating up police officers, stealing cars.

SPEAKER_07 27:52

Yeah. I mean if Ian Dury had written that song, people would be raving about it. But uh and I think it's of similar quality to some of the stuff that Ian Dury wrote, because he's one of the great punk poets as well, isn't he?

SPEAKER_08 28:02

Yeah, and he was around a little bit earlier as well. So probably um uh Tom Robinson probably wouldn't mind saying that he would have been influenced by Ian Dury.

SPEAKER_07 28:11

Oh, without a doubt. I think so so many bands were.

SPEAKER_08 28:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 28:14

Yeah. Great, love that. Talking of Tom Robinson this is gonna be the most tenuous link ever. Tom Robinson last Friday I interviewed John Robbins, the comedian, uh, for Open Road. He did an event at the Art Centre for it.

SPEAKER_08 28:30

I was in Spain, otherwise I'd have been there, but it was really good.

SPEAKER_07 28:33

It sounded yeah. And he's written this uh autobiography that's amazing. It comes out in May called The First Twelve Drinks That Changed My Life. Anyway, we got him to come to the Art Centre at a much reduced fee. He'd made quite a bit of money for Open Road, the charity I work for. And so I thought, well, if he's into I know he's into Queen, which you know, we'll never play Queen on this. No chance. No chance at all. And reading the book, I knew he was into Captain Beefheart and Frank Zapper and Early Pulp, and that gave me I thought, Early Pulp. Getting there. So I said to John, I said to John, what do you think of punk rock and new wave between the years of 76 and 1980? And this was just before we went on stage, and he said, um that's not really my scene, man. And I said, Oh. He said, You see, I've I've always been um attracted to melody. And I don't think it was a woman, I think he meant melody as in in a song. And I came up with the most feeble answer that you will be ashamed of me. I said, Well, some punk songs are melodious. I mean, why why didn't I say punk isn't about melody? Why didn't I say punk's about anger and angst and power and rebellion?

SPEAKER_08 29:46

But there are so many punk bands that melody is running right through them. I just felt a bit about buzzcocks, undertones.

SPEAKER_07 29:53

I know, I just felt a bit th that was my answer. And so I I I I then didn't get I was gonna get him to do a message, but after he said that I thought, uh, I'm not gonna bother.

SPEAKER_08 30:03

No, no.

SPEAKER_07 30:03

But he was great. John was fantastic. Imagine playing his fire tracks, We Are the Champions and Bohemian Rhapsody, so funnily enough coincidentally, on the same night as um he was in Colchester, Radio Garga, the ultimate tribute queen act, were on at Charter Hall. So I had to pin him to his chair to make sure he didn't run off and go and see it.

SPEAKER_08 30:25

You know there's only one thing worse than a Queen tribute band, don't you?

SPEAKER_07 30:28

Queen themselves.

SPEAKER_08 30:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 30:30

Absolutely right. So there's there's John from Tom Robinson into John Robinson.

SPEAKER_08 30:34

But did you raise a lot of money?

SPEAKER_07 30:36

We raised over a grand for open road, it was a great gig, packed art centre. The Colchester Arts Centre is a wonderful venue, as you know, Steve. We've been there a couple of times, two or three times now to see punk bands, haven't we? And uh and Anthony Roberts, Dr. Anthony Roberts, who is the director of Culture Arts Centre, is gonna be our guest on our next show.

SPEAKER_08 30:54

On our next show, that'll be good. Looking forward to uh hearing what his choices are because he knows his stuff, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_07 30:59

He does know his stuff and he's a Watford fan.

SPEAKER_08 31:01

So proper football team. Football and punk.

SPEAKER_07 31:04

Yeah, it should be interesting to what he chooses.

SPEAKER_08 31:06

Brilliant. What we got next? Right, the next one is uh it's a band by uh band called the Stiffs. Now, Phil Hendricks is the lead singer, songwriter, guitarist of the Stiffs. I think they're getting back together for the Rebellion Punk Festival in August. But Phil is uh quite a prolific artist in his own right. He's um uh the leader or he's in the uh the Bass E rollers, so obviously we don't have um we don't have We won't be hearing him on them on this podcast either. See I've see I've got this thing about the Basic Rollers are very, very uh early punk rock band, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shang a Lang. They had loads of melody, they had guitars and drums, and yeah, I I I love the Bass E rollers.

SPEAKER_07 31:52

I think we're gonna fall out about this one.

SPEAKER_08 31:54

No, no, no, honestly, basic rollers, I love the basic rollers, but anyway, Phil now is in the Basic Rollers, although there aren't any original rollers in the original basic rollers in them for various reasons. Um his wife is also the UK's number one Blondie Tribute Act. Excellent. And Phil plays in that uh Blondie Tribute Act, and he's also a prolific solo artist and has done lots of work with uh former guest of ours, David Phil from the Ormatics. Oh, fantastic. So he gets around as uh Phil. Uh he's probably not gonna thank me for picking this next song because it is after telling you about he plays in all these other bands, uh, because it is a cover song. Uh now I love the stiffs, they had a John Peel loved them, and they had a great single called uh Inside Out. Uh but I just love the glitter band, and I think the Stiffs done a fantastic version of their classic uh Let's Hear It, it's Goodbye My Love Please don't beat me now.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

I beat you. Don't die. Don't let me let me know.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Hi, this is Phil Hendrix from the Stiffs, and you and I are listening to Alternative Colchester.

SPEAKER_08 36:12

Cheers, Phil, really appreciate that. And just in case you're shouting at the radio, um it's worth pointing out that Phil is also in the Jukebox Heroes, who are pretty massive on the continent in particular. Um, and he also is the guitarist for Merrill Osmond. So he's he's quite a busy guy.

SPEAKER_07 36:31

He's quite quite a variety there, then, isn't he?

SPEAKER_08 36:33

And I fooled you a bit there because you weren't expecting Goodbye, my love, were you?

SPEAKER_07 36:36

I was expecting Inside Out. This is the one I played yesterday, which is a great song, but but unlike the Bay City Rollers, we agree about the Glitter Band. The Glitter Band were a great band.

SPEAKER_08 36:45

They were fantastic, the Glitter Band, and I don't think they're a million miles away from the Bay City Rollers.

SPEAKER_07 36:49

Well, this is where we disagree, but I think we can agree on the glitter band. Okay. Fantastic. And you are getting all the messages so far, Steve, so I'm a bit embarrassed that I haven't got any yet. But I did try and get one on Saturday night when you you mentioned that I went to a gig in Ipswich, home of the greatest football team in the world, and went to the Steamboat Tavern at your suggestion and saw um three three great bands. Um 999 were headlining, obviously brilliant. Um we'll play more 999 in this podcast as we go through the weeks, I'm sure. Played all their hits Fantastic, Nasty, Nasty, Homicide, Emergency, all of it. Brilliant. Um they're getting on a bit. Uh but uh and then the support bands were Red Red Flag 77. They're brilliant. They're fantastic. They're from Ipswich in the steamboat tavern. As I sent you a photo, there's all this Ipswich down memorabilia, so they're big Ipswich Sound fans, or Ricky Flag is Ipswich Sound fans. And there was somebody from Norwich in the audience who he gave a lot of stick to, understandably. I don't know who it was.

SPEAKER_08 37:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 37:50

Jack Jack had somebody who had a he had a a walking aid, let's put it that way. Right. And I think his name might have been Jack.

SPEAKER_08 37:58

Yeah. Well he's a big Ipswich uh new Norwich fan that followed them about religiously.

SPEAKER_07 38:02

Yeah, he gave him some stick. But the third band were three young kids, they must have been in their early twenties playing punk songs. That's brilliant, that's what we want to hear. The human error, they're called. They're from Hereford. And they've gone all the way from Hereford to it. That's a long way. Luke's nodding, that is one side of the country to the other. Just to play. They played half-hour set, you'll like this. They played about 12 songs in half an hour. Love it. With hardly any talking in between. And they were great songs.

SPEAKER_08 38:29

Did they do their own stuff? Yeah, their own stuff.

SPEAKER_07 38:31

They did stuff that I remember two of the songs, one was called Cold Feelings, which was great, and one was called World War III. And they say their introduction was we don't play happy songs. And I said, This is the band for me. And my mate Mark, who went with me, absolutely loved it. It was packed, which you were glad to hear. And thank you for the tip because we had a great night.

SPEAKER_08 38:50

Well, that's brilliant. And I did send you on a mission, and uh you come back empty-handed, hadn't you?

SPEAKER_07 38:54

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I did try.

SPEAKER_08 38:56

Um So the mission was Tim had to go to this gig. I knew he'd love 999, but I knew he'd love Red Flag 77, and I didn't know too much about every human error, but um uh I've got to go and check 'em out now that after getting such a fantastic um feedback from them. Um but yeah, I wanted an indent to go along with all the ones that I get, and I thought Nick Cash, I even had a word with Arturo and said, Arturo, my mate's coming up. Can you make sure he gets Nick Cash saying you're listening to Alternative Culture? What went wrong?

SPEAKER_07 39:30

Well, um I did go up to Art after the because he's a dumb one for us, isn't he? After the gig and I said, Hello Art, you know, I'm I do this podcast with Steve Green. Oh Stevie! He said, Yeah, good old Steve, he's a good lad, Stevie. I said, and he said you'd uh you know you'd get Nick to do uh uh a message for us for our uh podcast, um Nick won't do it. He said, Nick won't do it, he's gone off to sell a merch. So I said, but uh Guy will do it, Guy Days. Yeah, so um I said well yeah, Guy will be great. So I got my phone and and my voice note function wasn't working. So it was embarrassing. Guy was waiting.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Oh no.

SPEAKER_07 40:06

I said, Mark, can you do it on your phone? No, Mark didn't have so I just turn it off and turn it in. He's gone to the loo, he's packing up his stuff, he's still there. But I don't know how old Guy is, but he's probably older than us. And so I got the voice note working. He he couldn't remember what the show was called, he couldn't remember what he had to say. So I have got a message, but it it's not it's not broadcastable.

SPEAKER_08 40:30

Maybe we can get our.

SPEAKER_07 40:31

He called it alternative culture.

SPEAKER_08 40:34

You're listening to alternative culture. Well I'm sure that uh we put that through AI, couldn't we, Luke, and get that cleaned up. But they were brilliant. I only say that every other time. Yes. I only get it wrong now and again.

SPEAKER_07 40:49

Sorry, I will get one. Yeah. So I failed with John Robbins and I failed with 999s. But Guy Days would have been a great one as well. Yeah, Cash and Days. Cash and Days. Yeah, fantastic songwriters. Yeah. That was a great gig. Thank you, Steve. They were brothers.

SPEAKER_08 41:03

Well, they are brothers.

SPEAKER_07 41:04

They are brothers with different names.

SPEAKER_08 41:05

Yeah. Well, Nick Cash is clearly uh clearly a made-up name. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 41:10

And I Guy Days probably is a he sounds as he might be a bit of a difficult character, Nick.

SPEAKER_08 41:15

Nick Cash. Well he was he's a gravedigger by trade. I don't know if he still does it, he probably doesn't now, but uh because they were quite old when Punk started.

SPEAKER_07 41:25

That's right, because when we played the Shapes song later, I I I read an interview with the um guitarist from the Shapes and he mentions 999 were about a hundred, he reckoned, when they were playing.

SPEAKER_08 41:35

But they've never given up. They've just carried on going, and the music catalog is brilliant. Yeah, yeah, fantastic.

SPEAKER_07 41:41

Right, shall I move us on? Yeah, you're gonna get we're gonna go a bit mainstream for a little while, aren't we? I am, because um Tony Gardner mentioned the jam. He said they're not really punk. I I I dispute that.

SPEAKER_08 41:51

Yeah, me too. I know they had punk.

SPEAKER_07 41:53

I know they had mod roots and um mod influences, but early jam is what punk rock was all about. So I'm sure we'll play some early jam in future podcasts. But this one I wanted to play because I think it's it's angry, um and it was off a great album. It wasn't all mod cons, it was the thing. Setting sons. Setting suns. And uh I think people will remember this great track. Weller is a great songwriter, yeah. Whatever you think of him personally, yeah. Great songwriter. Shall we hear Eating Rifles by the Jam? The jam, we're claming the claiming the jam for punk rock, aren't we, Steve?

SPEAKER_08 45:52

We are indeed, definitely, from up to that song and possibly a couple after.

SPEAKER_07 45:57

Yeah, absolutely amazing band, full of energy. As we just said, just the three of them on a stage. I saw them at the Hammersmith Odin, must have been about 1980. Going underground had just got to number one, I think. Fantastic gig. Yeah. And I'm one up on you.

SPEAKER_08 46:10

Yeah, you are never saw the jam. It's unusual. Never saw the jam, never saw them.

SPEAKER_07 46:14

From the jam, the tribute band are great, which Bruce Foxon was in until very recently. They're great too. And yeah, their songs are great. Fantastic songs.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 46:24

Whatever you say about Weller, as I said, uh and Bruce wrote some good songs, because you were saying News of the World is probably one of your favourite jam songs.

SPEAKER_08 46:31

It probably is my favourite jam song, and uh it it yeah, for him to be for Weller to actually let him write a song, sing a song, and actually release it as a single, yeah, he must have really liked it. And Bruce was of course in Stiff Little Fingers for a long time too. He was so uh hats off to him for that.

SPEAKER_07 46:47

Yeah. Can I give a shout out to um Jello Biafra? You heard about Jello.

SPEAKER_08 46:52

Yeah, that's sad, isn't it?

SPEAKER_07 46:54

He's had a massive stroke, and there's lots of love for him on social media. Jello Biafra, for those who are the who don't know, uh lead singer of the dead Kennedys. Yeah. And they were groundbreaking in their time, weren't they? Yeah. And he's had a massive stroke. Well, all best wishes to Jello Biafra from all of us here at Alternative Cultures.

SPEAKER_08 47:11

Yeah, and um I saw them at West Runton Pavilion in 1979. And he got fantastic, absolutely. Absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I saw them um years later without Jell-O Biafra, um in New Jersey of all places. And um you can take certain singers out of bands, but I just don't think you can take Jell O Biafra out of uh the dead Kennedys, because he was a spokesman, wasn't he? And he was very very politically motivated. And in fact, he's got his own YouTube channel called uh What Would Jell O Do. So he talks about uh the problems in the world and how people like Trump are doing things their way, and um how other people are doing things their way. And then the what would Jell O do is he tells you what he would do in certain situations.

SPEAKER_07 48:04

I'd rather have President Biafra than President Trump.

SPEAKER_08 48:07

Yeah, it's definitely worth uh worth looking at. But yeah, like you say, get well soon yellow. Get well soon jello. Yeah, definitely. Uh right, so it's time to play our obligatory stiff little fingers track, and it's my turn. Um it gets uh hard to choose because you think, oh I want to play this one, oh yeah, but I want to play that one, oh yeah, but I want to play this one. Same problem. I've gone for a real sort of favourite of mine, which I off the now then album, which what would that have been then? 1981?

SPEAKER_07 48:41

It's gotta you could extend it any further. Can't extend it any further.

SPEAKER_08 48:46

Except for stiffleton.

SPEAKER_07 48:47

We did say except for stiffers, yeah. It was a great song.

SPEAKER_08 48:50

It's a fantastic song. The lyrics are great. I think that's a really underrated album as well now. Yeah, now then's a great album. I love it. I love it from start to finish. Um but yeah, we we just talk about stiff little fingers all day, couldn't we? But let's not let's listen to bits of kids.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Keeper lit.

SPEAKER_08 52:43

Cheers, Henry, and Henry would have been the guitarist on that particular track, and he's coming to Colchester.

SPEAKER_07 52:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 52:50

So you told me, do you remember when? XSLF are coming to Colchester. He's gotta look it up, I think. I am gonna look at it. It's in my diary, though. It's in three wise three wise monkeys. Well, we are going to see stiff little fingers this Saturday, aren't we?

SPEAKER_07 53:03

At the Camden Roundhouse, which should be amazing. They're getting great reviews for this tour. I think uh Jake might even have lost a bit of weight, and uh hopefully he'll you told me he's got a bit of a sore throat at the moment.

SPEAKER_08 53:15

Yeah, he's been putting on Facebook that he's got a he's got a uh a cold and a sore throat and everything, so hopefully By Saturday. By Saturday he'll be fine, and it's only the gigs in between where he'll be a little bit under the weather. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:27

Back to form to sp for when we're there.

SPEAKER_08 53:29

Yeah. And then so that's at the roundhouse in London this Saturday, yes. And there's no trains, so it's a real effort getting there and back.

SPEAKER_07 53:36

But to see stiff little fingers, you've walk there.

SPEAKER_08 53:39

It's worth it. And are the MFs supporting? Yeah. Yeah, the MIFs are supporting. Oh amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:43

So the MFs are from uh the local band?

SPEAKER_08 53:45

They are.

SPEAKER_07 53:46

Lily's from Clacton.

SPEAKER_08 53:47

Yeah. Um Cinemat, the Three Wise Monkeys, which is where Henry Clooney's XLF XSLF will be playing. Uh but I can't find it in my diary. Because it isn't my diary. But uh look at our website. There's plenty of time. There's plenty of time. Um and the guy who's booked them to at the Three Wise Monkeys is a forthcoming guest on the show as well, isn't he?

SPEAKER_07 54:10

Yeah, Ben Howard.

SPEAKER_08 54:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:11

Who does uh uh promotes our show on his Keith Colchester Cool website. Great fan of the show and uh uh good mate to you and me.

SPEAKER_08 54:19

I did say to him, why don't you try and get XSLF at the art centre? And he said, Do you think they would do the Three Wise Monkeys? And I said, Well you know, looking at their gigs, that they're the kind of venues they do. And I saw them in a uh upstairs in a restaurant in uh just outside Dublin uh about four years ago. I was over there for r uh for the Punchstown Horse Racing Festival, and I just suddenly saw that they were playing up the road and I was no way I was gonna miss it. So instead of uh going out with everyone who wanted to go out drinking that night, I went, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna hire a car and I'm off to uh this uh little place on the seaside, lovely little place. Had a nice meal downstairs and went away as much. They were fantastic, absolutely brilliant. Oh wow, definitely go when they're in Colchester now. Yep, looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_09 55:04

Uh is on uh the 28th of March.

SPEAKER_07 55:08

That is that's the one I thought was in London, but they are. So last Saturday I had a 999, this Saturday's stiff little fingers, yeah, the following Saturday, XSLF uh Three Wise Monkeys.

SPEAKER_08 55:20

Three wise monkeys, 28th of March.

SPEAKER_07 55:21

Let's pack it out.

SPEAKER_08 55:22

Thanks for that, though. Don't miss it. Don't miss it. I won't. Right, shall I get on to our next one? Luke knows more about punk rock than we do. I've just got Google.

SPEAKER_07 55:32

He knows more about football than you do.

SPEAKER_08 55:34

What's Google?

unknown 55:35

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 55:36

We haven't we haven't said much about football, have we? No, but we're doing well. We're doing alright. We're we're well. Luke and I were speaking before the show about referees have diddlist out uh out of six points, and I was gonna just come on this podcast and moan about referees. But we did win on Saturday we against Sheffield Wednesday, who are on minus seven points and relegated at the bottom of the table, but we managed to beat them eventually 2-0, and everybody around us dropped points. And you've got a huge six-pointer coming up against Millwall on Saturday, so I'm going straight from the Ipswich Millwall game to stiff little fingers, so you'll know from the result what sort of mood I'm gonna be in.

SPEAKER_08 56:12

So, how are the Millwall fans getting to Portland Roden about if there's no trains? I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 56:18

Who wants Millwall fans at their grounds?

SPEAKER_08 56:20

That's gonna be a recipe for disaster. Millwall at Ipswich with no trains. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

SPEAKER_07 56:26

As long as we beat 'em, I don't really mind. Uh the the Ipswich might mind, because uh the state of the town after the Millwall fans have been there might not be great. I'm I'm sorry, Millwall fans, I know some of you are lovely, uh, but um your reputation goes before you.

SPEAKER_08 56:40

Well Colster's next two games are against first and second. We've got MK Dons uh in midweek, and then we've got uh Bromley away. Um they're both away. So it's not looking good for the use, really. We're running out of games, we've dropped a few points. But in that division, anything can happen, and Colts have got a good record against the top teams. Give us a prediction how many points are you gonna get for those two games, Steve? Well, two would be great, wouldn't it? But I'd rather win one and lose one. So uh I'd lose to MK Dons and beat Bromley because I just Bromley being top of the division is just an insult, I think, is crazy, and they're uh who fit up the pitch and run after your team, aren't they?

SPEAKER_07 57:23

A bit like Wimbledon used to be.

SPEAKER_08 57:24

Yeah, and their leading goals scorer should be a Coalster player. Yeah, Michael Cheek, yeah, yeah, yeah. Local boy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:32

Next song. Yeah, um let's play the song and let's talk about the shapes afterwards. The shapes I looked into them after I choked because I've loved this song and I loved this EP for ages. Um I hope everybody who listens to the podcast loves it too. This is the shapes and What's for Lunch, Mum, not Beans Again.

SPEAKER_13 57:50

What's for lunch, mum? Oh much the looks come up being together.

SPEAKER_14 58:16

I'll lunch the money and come in, one of the money, well, we got the always in the world.

SPEAKER_13 59:02

Please want to look a mock being again. Give us something, please live.

SPEAKER_07 59:19

Please The Shapes. What's for lunch, mum? Not beans again. We both got smiles on our faces.

SPEAKER_08 59:25

Well, we spoke about novelty songs the other week, didn't we?

SPEAKER_07 59:28

It's great though, isn't it? Yeah. He certainly would. And uh the shapes were from Lemmington Lemmington Spa. And um I read about them and uh Before you talk about them, let's talk about Lemmington Spa.

SPEAKER_08 59:40

You been? Uh yes, I have. I have been to Lemmington Spa. Colts and I played them in the FA Cup and we won 9-1. And their goal, their one goal, was an absolute screamer, and the whole ground gave them a stand in ovation. Because it pulled it back to 9-1 as well.

SPEAKER_07 59:59

Okay, you're boasting about beating Lemmington Spa.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:01

Well, it was a banana skin.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:03

We overcome it.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:04

Dear, oh, dear, oh dear. Onto the shapes.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:07

Okay, yeah, the shapes were from Lemmington Spa, and um so when I chose the song, and um also on that EP is I saw Batman in the Launderette, which is another great song. And um yeah, they were talking about how they how they how they're about in the 77-78 era, and they were the only punks in Lemmington Spa. Yeah. And they used to get into fights just because they were wearing punk gear. And um Brian Helicopter, the guitarist, and Seymour Bybus, the singer. Right. Um uh Brian wrote this this um thing that I read on um social media, and he was quite critical of other punk bands. He was uh because they met they all met together. They played the Roxy, uh what was the other big punk placing? Vortex and the Marquee, I think they might have played. Um yeah, he wasn't impressed with Sham69 because he didn't doesn't didn't think they did enough about their um far right fans uh early enough. Okay. Uh he was critical of the Zex Pistols, he was critical of the damned. You I must send it to you. He hasn't endeared himself to the to his peers, hasn't he? He's probably uh working in insurance or something now, isn't he? So um but yeah, um but he said it was a great time.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:20

They did a session, didn't they? For John Peel.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:22

John Peel and um yeah, John Peel asked for the session because he'd heard them somewhere, he might have heard the EP, which was I think one of these ones that was they produced themselves. And uh it's a great EP. Yeah. I've got it somewhere in my loft.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:37

Um probably worth a few quid that one.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:39

Yeah, and I I just loved them, and I think What's for Lunch one, not beans again. We used to those of us who were punks at my school used to just sing that all the time.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:46

They were picked up by good vibrations as well.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:49

They were yeah, that's all in the story. I must send you where I read it, because it's quite a long piece, but I really I don't think my wife knew what I was doing. Right. Well, where have you gone, Tim? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? I said just just reading something in love, yeah. Oh yeah, it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:03

Well we don't want to be caught out by not knowing about bands, do we? Lemmington Spa Lemmington Spa. Yeah, good memory. Made of punk rock and football. Yeah. Nine one. Right, so did you see what I did on this next track, by the way?

SPEAKER_07 1:02:18

Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:21

I don't know why it's taken six episodes to get to this one. But uh The Vibrators Fantastic Man in Pure Mania. What an album that was. And V2. Uh two fantastic albums. And Eddie actually, the drummer, lives in uh Brighton Tea and has done for uh many years. Um I love these local connections, yeah, yeah. Um but Stiff Little Fingers uh found their name by listening to the Peter Mania album, and the song that stood out for them, not necessarily the actual track, but the the name of the track was Stiff Little Fingers. And so I think everyone listening to this show should know that that's where they got their name from. But I thought it'd be a nice idea to play the song. Do it. Yeah? Yeah, please. This is the vibrators, stiff little fingers.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

It's a serious time. When you gotta stop, the bottom again. When you gotta stop, the bottom again. When you gotta stop, the bottom again. When you gotta stop now.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:27

The vibrators and stiff little fingers, what a great song of a great album.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:32

Fantastic song, fantastic album. I've got a f uh fun fact about Stiff Little Fingers.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:36

The track or the s or the band? No, the band.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:38

Yep. Today is the forty eighth anniversary of the release of Suspect Device Stroke Wasted Life. On this very eight on this very day, forty eight years ago. Oh, that's a great day. That fantastic single was released.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:52

That's more than half a lifetime ago. I know, I know. Nineteen seventy eight. Oh well and and it was on uh St Patrick's Day. Oh yeah. What a great thing. Oh that must have that must have been Yeah, it must have been just throw these things together.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:07

Yeah, I mean and uh well you know suspect suspect device wasted li uh in every SLF gig. Yeah both those songs they've got to be in there so I think there'd be a riot.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:18

Yeah, yeah. But uh they'd like every song they got would be a good encore. They're so good. I'm just really looking forward to this Saturday, uh apart from the lack of trains. Um and then and then and then the following Saturday, X SLF. Wow, that's unbelievable. Would have been a real stiff little fingers and X stiff little fingers Fortnite coming up. Well we're nearly end of the show. Uh one more track to play, which is yours. Uh but we've got a few guests coming up, haven't we in the world?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:45

Yeah, we've mentioned uh we mentioned Anthony Roberts at the next one. Uh he's the director of Colchester Arts Centre, Watford FC supporter. And then we've got Ben Howard, as you mentioned, who is a Cole U fan and like Tony Gardner, a Man Yu fan.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:01

I'm not saying anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:02

No, we don't have to, do we? They're doing well as well, aren't they?

SPEAKER_08 1:07:05

And he runs Keep Colchester Cool. And he will have been the person who's booked uh XSLF for the three wise monkeys. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:13

And then we've got Jules Pretty.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:14

So he You managed to get Jules, didn't you?

SPEAKER_08 1:07:17

Yeah, well no he was he's been a client of mine for years, but I had no idea that he liked football or punk rock music. I just knew him as the um vice principal of the University of Essex. Is that right?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:30

He had some job here.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:32

Yeah, uh he was uh I think he's pro-vice-chancellor. Yeah. Very clever man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:39

Very clever man. He's very eco-driven.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:42

So everything he does is research is amazing on um environmental stuff. Yeah. And yeah, but he supports Carl Yu. He does support Carl U. So he can't be that intentional.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:51

And he likes punk rock, so he's already given me his five tracks and uh produce a podcast with us as well.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:56

So we know each other quite well.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:57

And he's just about to do an another podcast, isn't he?

SPEAKER_09 1:08:01

Yeah, so he's uh so he's obviously taken retirement now from um but yeah, so uh I am still kind of helping him advise and giving him tech support on he's doing his own thing now.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:14

So So he's coming on our podcast to plug his podcast, probably, isn't he?

SPEAKER_08 1:08:18

Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Um and I reckon he'll like I I know I'm not gonna give too much away, but he's not picking a Virgil Sharky undertone song, but he would have a lot in common with Virgil Sharky, wouldn't he, on the environmental issues.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:30

Yeah, yeah. And I I hear you've allowed him to pick a track that you disallowed somebody else from choosing.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:37

Yeah, I had a good friend who I did allow two tracks on the last episode, and he jokingly said uh he wasn't gonna listen to any shows unless I played a track by a certain band, and I said, Well, you won't be listening then. Uh but we will be playing that particular band. I got nothing against them, it's just it was a joke. It was a it was a they're a good band.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

You'll you have to wait for the Jules Pretty episode. Jules Pretty episode before you find out what the band is.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:01

Well, who are we gonna end with?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:02

We're gonna end with um I love this song, Gang of Four. And uh this is a song called Uh At Home He's a Tourist, but before we play it, um I just want people to listen to to the slash guitar in this. This is fantastic. Uh I don't know what the song's about, but it's brilliant. And um yeah, we'll maybe have a little chat about a gang of four after we've played At Home He's a Tourist.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

At home he feels like a tourist, he fills his head with culture, he gives himself and all star. He fills his head with culture, he gives himself and all star on the disposal floor that's fine with that bottle at all she's looking for and the rock at all she's looking for and the rock tea was a pistol as the wrong stuff, disappear, tea what I pistol, tea accepted too high Two steps forward six steps back, six steps back, six steps back, six steps back, ball steps, for him Big jump for me, big jump for me, big jump for me, big jump for me two steps, forward six steps back, six steps back, six steps back, six steps back, both steps, steps for him for me, big jump for me, big jump for me, big jump for me at home street feels like a tour At home street feels like a tourist feels like culture Sheep soft and culture Why make yourself so anxious You put yourself out Gang of Four, homie's a tourist.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:59

What can you tell me about Gang of Four, Steve?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:01

Well I know they went to Leeds University with the Meekons, didn't they? They they they were there together. But um I always wondered if that guitarist could play that song identical uh afterwards because it the the the chopping guitar as you described is is all over the place, isn't it? But it's brilliant, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:22

Yeah, yeah. And uh it was taking punk rock to a new level, really, wasn't it? Yeah. That sort of song.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:26

Yeah, I think they were really what how I'd s I'd describe them as being the first post-punk band, maybe them and wire. Yeah. Yeah, but that is a great track. And the Meekons, of course. Yeah, yeah. A brilliant song, brilliant song. I mean, I I had to change one of my five this week because when you uh told me which five you were playing, I actually had damaged goods.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:47

Gang of four, they were just, you know, it was ta it was evolving, wasn't it? Evolving at the time. Was that 79, 78?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:55

78, I'd say. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:57

Loved it, loved it. Right, I think we're done, aren't we?

SPEAKER_08 1:14:00

We are done. That's another episode done and dusted.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:02

Yeah, so six down. And next time we'll uh we we can exchange what we thought of stiff little fingers and XSLF.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:09

And we'll have Dr. Anthony Roberts with us. We will. But until then, uh it's keep it cool, keep it no, keep it punk, keep it down. Keep it punk, keep it cold, yes. But most of all, keep it punk, keep it alternative culture.