Kundalini & the Intelligence That Guides Us with Harshada Wagner

In this episode, Anna sits down with Harshada Wagner for a deeply personal and expansive conversation on Kundalini awakening, intuition, and inner authority. Together, they revisit Anna’s experience in India and explore the living intelligence within us that guides our growth, healing, and evolution.

This conversation invites you to trust your path, deepen your relationship with your energy, and recognize the subtle ways life is always guiding you toward greater clarity, coherence, and truth.

About Harshada Wagner:

Harshada David Wagner is a master meditation teacher, author, artist, and father with more than 25 years of teaching experience. Classically trained in the wisdom traditions of Yoga, Bhakti, Vedānta, and Tantra, his work draws on decades of guiding people toward more fulfilling, soul-centered, and purpose-driven lives. He was given the name Harshada by Gurumayi Chidvilasananda in 1996, meaning “the giver of joy, laughter, and delight.”

Alongside his work as a meditation teacher and teacher trainer, Harshada teaches what he calls applied yoga philosophy, offering practices and perspectives from the Mahāyoga tradition that support real, lasting transformation. He leads pilgrimage retreats to India and is devoted to keeping his teachings grounded in the traditions from which they come.

Known for his down-to-earth and lighthearted style, Harshada bridges accessible, real-life guidance with the depth of classical mystical teachings. He is the author of Backbone and is currently working on a modern translation and commentary of the Bhagavad Gita. He lives with his family in Ojai, California.

Harshada is best known for offering deeply transformative private mentorship training sessions online and in person in Ojai where he lives. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Welcome back to the Weaving Resonance Podcast. Today's conversation feels incredibly meaningful to me because I am sitting down with someone whose presence has literally been woven into my story for nearly a decade. Someone I have spoken about every time I am sharing my own story of how I came to do what I do now. This is the person who was holding the container when I had my spontaneous Kundalini awakening in India over 10 years ago. And in this episode, we move into a conversation around what it really means to awaken and to live from that place. We talk about Kundalini as an inner intelligence, we talk about the way intuition guides us through our life, and how our own energy is always drawing in exactly what we need for our own evolution. We also explore the shift from external authority to internal authority, which is something I've been really thinking about lately, and what it looks like to truly trust yourself in a world that often teaches you what to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

This conversation is very deep. It's grounded and filled with so, so much wisdom. So take a deep breath, get on in, and let yourself receive what lies meet today.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

All right, so welcome back to the Weaving Resonance Podcast. I am so, so excited to have our guest today, Harshida Wagner. You have heard me refer to him as David Wagner as well. And I went with Harshida to India almost 10 years ago. I don't know if you know that that has been almost 10 years. I think this January or sorry, January 2027 will be 10 years. Wow. And that's where I had my spontaneous awakening that has really led to everything that I do now. So I'm very excited to just have your presence here today. I was sharing with you before we got on the call that I have said your name on every podcast I've ever been interviewed in the last five years. You know, every time I speak about my story, your name is so present in that, which makes me kind of want to cry. Because I've just always felt so connected to the pure medicine that you delivered and brought to that experience in India and the awakening that I was able to have in Alundi, um, which I have a funny little thing for you, that every time I have told people about Alundi India, even if they come from India and I have said that town, people are like, no one knows what it is. And in my head, I have decided that it didn't even happen. Like I'm like, yeah, I just made it up. Like it's a magical dream that I had and it doesn't even exist, you know. Uh, but it holds such a deep, um, deep connection in my heart. And I actually, you know, I don't know if you'll remember this, David, but harshana. Sorry, I'm really trying to um connect that word because I'm so used to calling you David. Um, it's it's fine. Yeah. So I don't know if you remember this, but when we were in India, I asked you to grab a rock out of the river in Alundi because it was the only thing I wanted to bring back from India, was just a rock because of the electricity that came through the ground in that temple. And you went into the river and you scooped up a rock and you gave it to me. And that is the only thing that rock and the little picture of Yaniswar that I still have, I carry it in my wallet. I can't even believe I'm saying that I still carry a wallet. Um, those are the things that I carry with me everywhere. It has such deep resonance in my bones. So, with all that said, and everyone that's listening, I know, I know it's it's wild. Um, but for everyone that's listening, you all know that I like to open these containers, giving our guests an opportunity to open it in whatever kind of frequency resonance that that they're in right now that feels beautiful and aligned. So I've spoken to David. He's gonna open our container for today, and then um we'll move into kind of you sharing more of who you are so people can get to know you beyond just my story of you.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

That's so beautiful about Alandi. You know, it's true. Nobody knows about it. Many Indians don't know about it. But any, especially any Indian who does know about Alundi, when you tell them that you have a rock from the Indrani River from Alundi, they will know how special that is. Um, so that's like I didn't remember that, but that is so so beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

That makes me so happy.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Yeah, me too. Um, welcome everyone. Hi, everyone. I'm going to read a short poem. Um, this is a Rumi poem that was rendered by Coleman Barks, the great poet and translator of Rumi, who died just a couple of weeks ago. And then I'll lead a little meditation if that's okay. So Rumi says, your grief for what you've lost lifts a mirror up to where you're bravely working. Expecting the worst, you look, and instead, here's the joyful face you've been wanting to see. Your hand opens and closes, opens and closes. If it were always a fist or always stretched open, you would be paralyzed. Your deepest presence is in every small contracting and expanding. The two as beautifully balanced and coordinated as bird wings. He says, Your deepest presence is in every small contracting and expanding. The two as beautifully balanced and coordinated as bird wings. So with that image, let's close our eyes, and people listening would be comfortable to close your eyes with us. Here where I am, I can hear birds singing. And we have this really simple gesture of closing our eyes and contracting a little bit for the sake of going within. And if you're sensitive, you can also feel an energetic togetherness that we share. Like Anna and I are here together in this recording. And we're together with you in the watching or the listening. I hope that was not too long and long enough.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

That was perfect. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

That started to connect you onto the path that you're on now. So if you could take us back to share that dot, that pinpoint, and then draw that thread into where you are now and what's shifted, what's changed, which I'm sure is a lot.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

Uh yeah. Yeah. Um well, I, you know, I grew up in Illinois, in Peoria, Illinois, which is kind of, you know, a small American city. Uh, and my parents and my family were, you know, what you could say were kind of like a high functioning alcoholic sort of family. So um I grew up a little sideways. You know, I was um weird kid. I got in a lot of trouble. I was into a lot of drugs and you know, drinking and stuff like that from a very young age. Um and I ended up getting sober, like going to a 12-step program when I was still in high school. I had to. And uh in that, I mean, also for anyone that knows those programs, they know that that's a deeply spiritual program. So that was really the the the first thing. Um but what connects more to this moment, I mean, I and I'm still sober, you know, all these years later, have done a lot of different 12-step work actually, aside from just that. Um but in that context, uh, one of my friends there gave me this book, Be Here Now, by Baba Ramdas. And Baba Ramdas, most people probably know, he was a Harvard professor of psychology who went to India and found a guru and found the whole spiritual path, and then became a great proponent of it in the West. So I read that book, and that sparked that same journey in me, I guess you could say, of being this you know, Western person who got initiated into this eastern spirituality through this sort of like having a guru, studying the inner practices of yoga. Um I mean, very, very fast forward. But eventually, you know, some years later, I went to India. Uh, I started uh working with a guru and received initiation and fat this is many years just like blurring the fast forward. Um began teaching, you know, as a very junior teacher, and was exposed to you know all of these great teachings and practices, and um eventually found my way to New York City, which is where I was when we met, and found that there were a lot of people who are really interested in these deep Eastern teachings, and so I was able to help them, but then there were a lot of people who maybe that wasn't their primary interest, but they were interested in spiritual awakening or they were in a healing process, or they had some sort of like inner destiny to be helped by this stuff that I was helped by, and just found that I had the great good fortune of helping lots and lots of people. Some of them were you know hardcore yoga philosophy people or meditation people, but um finding that these teachings and practices are helpful for lots of people, and um that's still what I'm doing today. I don't live in New York anymore, but uh that that was like the super fast. I don't know if I stopped on any dots for you or not.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

But yeah, when did you I'm just curious about this? Um, when did you start leading the pilgrimages in India? Because one thing that I always tell people when I share that experience is I say, you know, Harshana has been doing this for a very long time. And when I stepped into that container, like I even remember kind of the call that we had. Because you, this is also something I greatly respect about you, is that you don't just kind of put, like, yeah, just like pay and sign up on my website. You're like, let's have a call. Because you have so much integrity, not only about the individual, but about the group. And like, does this work for the individual? And also, does this work for the group container? And I remember having that call with you and feeling so safe because it was just so clear to me that everything that could have gone wrong before had already gone wrong. You knew like exactly what to do, you know. And it was like going, I remember going, you know, my daughter was a year old at the time, which was a big deal that I left, you know, for two weeks. And I remember people having all these opinions, you know, from my parents to other parents, um, to my own husband, right? And I remember just going, no, I know that I'm safe. And it was really you that let me know that from just what you were saying, how you know, you like even said, we only eat hot foods, right? Like just to make sure people don't get sick. And you just had really thought it through. So I'm curious, one, how long have you been doing that because you're still doing it?

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

And then two, what have you really like what has changed in terms of what you're seeing people really need from when you began to now?

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Yeah. Wow. Um what a what a rich what a rich kind of question. You know, when you were talking about that it's been 10 years since our trip when when you came, um, I was just doing the math in my mind. And so this year, in I guess October, it will be 30 years since my first trip that I went on when I first went to India. Um, I of course wasn't leading people there, but um, well, my first trip to India, I was teaching for my guru's ashram, but that was 30 years ago. And so at the time that you came, we had been doing that for 20 years. I'd been going for 20 years. And um interesting, like the seven is an important number for some reason because I think I'm pretty sure 2007 was the first year that I brought a group of people there. So um, yeah, it's going on 20 years of of bringing the groups of people there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

I've been thinking about it. Well, and you asked me something else over seven.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

You asked me something else too. You asked me like how long have I been doing it?

SPEAKER_03 17:00

And and what have you seen from when you started to now, right? Like, what are you seeing? What is starting to shift in people, you know, because obviously the collective is impacting that as well. So I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Yeah, I mean, um well, first of all, even from the very beginning, we had that level of care. And it was because that was the level of care that I was given by the Indians who really brought me to India. And, you know, from the very beginning, you know, we always had such a great team of Indians, uh, Indian teachers and Indian retreat managers and stuff. And that was always kind of my agreement with them was that okay, I'm gonna bring these groups of people here. I'm gonna keep the groups really small, though, so that we don't overwhelm these places that we're going to. And I'm gonna make sure that they know what we're doing, you know, both for the sake of their experience, their participants, but also for the sake of the culture, you know, the precious, precious culture, you know, in these places that we're going to. And that has always been the thing. And what I've seen over these 20 years is that it's it's changed in terms of especially how much orientation people need. You know, back even 10 years ago, most of the people were from New York, and we were part of kind of a local community there, and there was a lot of support. Now people are coming from all over the world. Maybe they haven't done a lot of work with me before. So um we do like eight now, now there's eight weeks of orientation before we go. There's eight Zoom classes where we go over the teachings, the places that we're going, all of that kind of health stuff. And um what I find is that that is more important than ever. It's just that people really are so clear about what they're going for and um what you know, what's gonna be expected of them, but also what they can expect to experience.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Wow, eight weeks. Oh my goodness. That's a while. You know, one of the things that I think about a lot, which listen, there are many that I think about often about that trip. Um, but one of the things that I think about a lot is that when we arrived, you immediately took us to a store so that we could dress locally. And when we were dressed as locals, we really were able to kind of like just have complete immersion into the experience, which I think really impacted what occurred with me because it just became such an uh total experience. I don't know how else to say that. It was like a total embodiment of it. And um yeah, one thing that has been coming up a lot for me as of late is that you also said, you know, you invited us to not consume. Like we could write, you said you could journal, but try not to read or try not to kind of like be on your phone. And I went totally off digital. I remember I was like very serious. I was like, I'm off of this unless I'm talking to my husband to see my daughter kind of thing. Uh, but I remember like, oh, I can't read a book. Like, this is weird. I'm so used to filling time with consuming and not consuming really helped. And also, I'm not usually someone who journaled, yet now I have this book from when I was there, a whole journal of every single day that was in that, right? And we were talking um a little bit before we hit record about writing, and something that I've been thinking about lately, and I haven't really I haven't even talked about this with anyone, and I haven't really solidified it in my awareness. I just know that I feel very called and my intuition is kind of really making it clear that I usually read every morning, and lately I'm like, I am need to write. I and I don't know why I need to write. And I'm not sure if it's because of everything that is occurring in the world that every single moment things are coming into us and we are consuming, consuming, digesting, trying to metabolize, like things that are completely impossible to metabolize. And it's also made me think because so my mom is currently um, she just went from the hospital to rehab. She got COVID and she has Parkinson, so now she's in rehabilitation. And I was in Barnes and Noble looking for this book, um, Mary Magdalene Revealed, by I believe her name is Megan Watterson. I don't know if you ever read that book.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

So beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

And I actually listened to the audio, so I was like, oh, let me get this book and I'll read it to my mom while she's in rehab because I think she would really resonate. And I was talking to my sister on the phone in Barnes and Noble, and I'm like, I can't find this book. I'm looking for this book. And you know, I just want to get a book for mom to read to her. And this guy out of nowhere standing next to me is like, why don't you get the Bible? It's the best book ever written. And I was like, oh. And I said, Well, she's already read that. And then in my head, I literally thought, you know, I never have, but it's because I don't know who to trust with the transcription of it. I literally don't know. And I have my husband is Greek. I've been learning Greek, which is a really challenging language to learn. But it's also made me realize like every word has like a root meaning and all this stuff. And I'm like, wow, all of this, it really depends on transcription and perspective of a person. And I love that you were sharing that you're currently writing a book, right? Transcribing the Bhagavad Gita. So I'd love you to, if you can, take us into your awareness of what does it mean to transcribe? Why does it matter that we are thinking about that right now? Who is transcribing things and who we feel resonant with that perspective to be shifted onto a page?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Yeah, I mean, it's that's huge. And I feel like the that Christian Bible is a really good example where the first of all to say, no offense to anyone, but the Christian Bible that we have in English is one of the worst translations of a scripture. Like just from my point of view of working with a lot of scriptures, um, just in terms of like the whole chain of like the chain of uh transmission from let's say Jesus through you know the apostles, and it was written hundreds of years later and then edited, just the what's in it was severely edited by the Vatican and then has been translated again and again. We really don't know what like what you know, in that case, Jesus said, or you know, like Mary Magdalene is a great example. Up until recently, everyone thought that she was a sex worker. Um, because that's what the Vatican said, probably because it was really threatening to the idea that there was a female apostle, or maybe even uh, you know, someone who is intimately close with Jesus. And anyway, I I think that the the way that I I think that it's really dangerous when a scripture, whatever the scripture is, like I have Bhagavad Gita with Yanashwar's uh commentary right here. Um we can get you a copy. Remember, this is the the map, this is Yanishwar's uh in his tomb, they put this mask on at night. Um anyway, it's really dangerous when these become like standalone resources that you know from the tradition that the spiritual tradition that I come from, these were never meant to be like here, read this, and this is spirituality. Um these were always part of a relational tradition where people would have a relationship with a teacher or a guru or a master teacher, or in some cases just like a sangha like other other devotees, but generally even that is not the thing, but to have someone who is teaching the spiritual path, not teaching the Bhagavad Gito or the Bible or whatever else, but like somebody who is teaching the path of spiritual awakening, of spiritual intimacy with the divine, of um healing or soul freedom, or you know, however we think of it. Um then whatever the text is is something that that teacher has as a resource to refer to. And because you can take you could take a verse, and what I'm finding is I'm working with all of these old Sanskrit texts, is that most of the translations are not great. Um, and we could geek out on that, you know, if if you want to. But um, but then even then, even the best translation, it really takes someone who has like processed what that teaching is talking about, at least to some extent. There's like some like like a like a mother bird or something that like pre-digests the food before it's given to the baby birds, that there's a little bit of processing there. Um and then like one verse, a couple verses at a time is so much to work with. Um and and then, you know, in the in art tradition, these are usually collections of oral transmissions. But the anyway, it ends up in a tra in a collection, and then you have a collection, and it seems like, well, this is a book, you know, like like Megan Waters' book that you just like it's got this coherent theme to it, and it's got a beginning and a middle and an end, and the book itself has some sort of a mission statement. The scriptures aren't usually like that, they're usually these collections of energetic medicine packs, and um and also most scriptures have a lot of erroneous stuff in them, too. Just historical stuff from that time or things that are really irrelevant to modern readers, and then if you have this community philosophy that like this is the Bible and everything in it is the unfallible word of God, this English translation, it's really dangerous because then all of that erroneous stuff is the word of God, and so are these things that are like heavily coded bigoted stuff from whatever time it was written. So, I mean, don't get me started because I I could go on and on about this.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

It makes me think about though, like one I I sense of two things. One is that I always think about that what's very dangerous is one, someone who knows all the right words to say, but has never embodied it. Because it's extremely dangerous. They can manipulate anyone because it will sound exactly like what a professional would say, or exactly what someone spiritual would say, whatever we want to do or you know, word we want to put there, but it's dangerous because it hasn't been embodied, it hasn't been lived through. And that's I sense what you're saying too, with like having a teacher that has had so much experience, embodied experience, live through it that they can see it from a few different angles, including the angle of the student in that moment. Right. So I I really get what you're saying in terms of it being this dangerous thing that we really need to look at. And then the second point that I think about often is that it's very dangerous for us to say, okay, whatever this book or this person or this show says I should do is what I should do, and that's it. Because it completely eliminates the idea of self-responsibility. Yeah. And that we have choice. Yeah. That we can read something and pass it through our own discernment, which is one of the most important parts, if not the most important part, right? And then carry it forward. But if we just go, oh, that's it. What I I see this even when I'm doing readings for people, which you know is just like a big thing. Like it's I learn a lot doing readings, right? And one of the things that I learn is that the majority of people that come very much understand that this is not a moment to give me their power and that whatever I say is what to do. But there are some people that come and are just like, please tell me what to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

And I'll do whatever, whatever you say. And then after I do it, if it doesn't go right, I'll blame you.

unknown 31:17

Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Or I'll blame that like intuition isn't real or whatever it is. And it's just this lack of responsibility of going, no, no, no, like your choices, yeah, they are the most powerful thing you have.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

But the most important thing is after you make that choice, you're responsible for what comes next.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

Right. It's like what we teach our children, right? Like there are consequences. Um, a thing that was really coming through to ask you, because sometimes when I before I sit down with people, I shouldn't say sometimes it's all the time. Um, I I tune, right? And I'm like, okay, so what's here? What wants to come through? And the question that immediately came through when I tune to like our connection in this conversation is I'm curious to know what you sense is dying right now, and what you sense is being born.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

I love that. And are you speaking for me personally in the collective?

SPEAKER_03 32:27

I think it's kind of like micro macro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Okay. I want to put a pin in that, but I want to I want to speak to what you were just speaking to. Is that okay?

SPEAKER_03 32:38

Oh yes, please.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Um, because you were talking about kundalini before. And here's something that I think that your your listeners will hopefully relate to. Is that you know that kundalini energy we call it, but it's our it's our spiritual intelligence that is more or less awake. Um, it's usually, you know, not completely asleep. And when it awakens, it's usually not completely awake. There's a spectrum, and it like the bird wings in Rumi's poem, it opens and closes, you know. Anyway, once it awakens the way that it did for you when you were in Alandi, it's that power that is the teacher. That in our tradition, we say that the guru and the kundalini is it's one thing, and that it will draw to you whatever you need. So it will draw the scripture that you need, it will draw the teacher that you need, it will draw the intuitive reading that you need. And but it's running the show. Your own awakening is the thing that is actually making all these things happen. And for me, when I think of it that way, it really helps me. Because sometimes if I hear, well, let me not give my own power away, or like, because when I think of that, I just think of it, it's like my mind, or like sometimes I can be really stupid. Like, like sometimes I can be really, I have trauma, and I have, you know, like sometimes I make terrible choices, and and and sometimes I need to give that away to somebody who can help me. Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Yeah, I get that.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

So I'm okay with giving that power away, but it the power that I'm not gonna give away is is this thing of just understanding you know that once we have a relationship with that inner power in us, to know that that's what that's what's happening here. Um so anyway, since you had mentioned Kundalini and and then you were you were talking about that, and that's great that that you're that you represent that, especially you know, doing what what you do. And also side note, I'd love to like have a reading, have a reading from you. Like maybe we could share, like I could do like a private session for you, and you could do a reading for me or something.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Totally, I'd love that. And I I resonate with what you said too. Like when you said that power as the teacher, I was like, Oh, I get that. Like, I felt that since the moment that electricity went through my body, you know, like I have felt it running so much through my system on with everything that I'm doing. So I love that. Never thought about it as a teacher until you said it.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

When you put the word on it, I was like, and like all these teachers, whether it's Yanishwar or you know, all of these teachers, they're just like human manifestations of that power that can come out of outside of us and talk to us sometimes. And and it's always gonna be coming through filters, it's always gonna be coming through their filter and our filter. I mean, you know this, you know, like I always I would say the very best guide, intuitive guide, astrologer, psychic, healer, whatever, the very best is like 80. Always give like a 20 margin of error, and that's for the best. That's for somebody like you that is like absolutely world-class intuitive. Like give at least 20 margin of error, and then it just goes down from there. And and but I've seen it happen so many times where like you're just at the farmer's market and there's somebody laying out tarot cards there or something, and you get a message that changes the the course of your life in a in a really, really great way. Yeah, it's not because of the tarot cards, and it's not because of that reader or the farmer's market, but it's because that thing in you is like I need to blossom. There's a rock here. So, like, I what what can I find? What's the path of least resistance to move this rock out of the way from my blossoming? Oh, there's a billboard with a sign. That's exactly the message that I need you to see. Like, oh, I got an email. There's this course that's happening. Actually, I'm gonna sign up for that, you know?

SPEAKER_03 37:29

I do. You know, that's whenever I start sharing the story of India. Literally, the story always starts with, you know, I was scrolling through Facebook and I saw that you had posted one spot left on my India retreat, and I just was like, I'm going. Like something just in me was like, I'm gonna go. And it was leaving really soon. It was leaving in like a month and a half, and I was like, I'm going, and like I had to get a visa and everything. Um, but I I truly sense what you're saying. Like there is just this kind of like, and I I really resonate with what you said in terms of like the path of least resistance. I always am aware that our intuition is doing its best to take us down the path of least resistance. It doesn't mean we always pick that path, right? You know, or that we can even sense it, but it really is that's the path it, but and if you don't take that path, it's like, okay, we'll open up this one. Let's see like what's the next path to the least resistance.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Or I'll wait. It's like water. Or it's like it's not flowing, I'll just wait until there's an opportunity to flow and then I'll flow. Yeah, yeah. And like here, here in you know, in my private practice, you know, I try to as best as possible work directly with that, like work directly with that power in people. But one personal they have found that through plant medicine. Somebody else has found it through some kind of a religious experience. Somebody else has come in and they found it through getting sober, 12-step program, whatever. Um it's like there's oh over all of these years of doing this, it's like I that's why I say this because I've just seen it again and again and again. It will use anything, it will use everything to to find to find some room to move. And and then it's a matter of just like skillfully making space for it and then finding ways to help people integrate it into their life's mission, whatever that is, you know.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Yeah, yeah. When you said that, I actually just thought about like birth and death as even those pathways too, you know, like giving birth was huge for for me in terms of that, and then going to India a year later. Um, but and also even with my second, yeah. And I even see it like, I mean, I've been thinking about death since I was a really young girl, like all my oldest journals, like when I was like five, I'm just writing about death. I was so curious about death all the time. But even as I get older and I see my parents getting older, obviously, I I just keep thinking about that as a huge um moment, too, of that transition.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Yeah. So what's being born and what's dying? Um that's a that's always a great question. Sometimes I'll I'll not sometimes recently I've been doing this meditation where I'll have people kind of go in and imagine their first breath. Like imagine the first breath that they took when they were born. And then fast forward and imagine their last breath, you know, the last exhalation that they take when they leave their body. And then between those two to find their breath in this moment. You know, it's very potent kind of reflections. Um and in that sense, literally, you know, the the birth and the death. I think that one of the things that's dying since we're talking about um the Bible is I I I think that there's just this I think that there's like a, you know, like in Feng Shui, there are these different like stages. And and the last stage is when something is like collapsing. And I see, um, since we're talking about spirituality and and spiritual learning, I see these old patriarchal systems really in that stage. They're just old and broken and collapsing. And the authority of the best-selling author or the the um authority of the big arena guru, or the authority of you know, these systems that have built themselves off of these bad translations of the Bible, or whatever. And um, you know, whether it's the warfare that we see or the political insanity that we see, or the the leadership vacuum that we're all suffering from right now, um, so much of it leads back into this kind of like patriarchal, usually white man somewhere there. And if it's not a white man, it's whiteness in some other man, usually, and even if it's not a man. Some sort of some sort of constructed mental political idealism, idealistic kind of a thing. Sorry, my words are escaping me in this moment, but um that as opposed to we could say if that's dying, what's being born is an authority that's based in the opposite, that's based in you could say uh a feminine, but you know, in this space of receptivity and in the space of um inquisit uh not inquin inquisitivity is not a word. Um in this inclusivity. No, not inclusivity either. that that was there for me no but like this the spirit of inquiry but like like subtle subtle inquiry and that um that there's this kind of an authority but you can't oppose you can't impose that authority on anyone else this other one that's dying that authority has it's only really imposed on others it's rarely imposed on the people that are um they don't impose it on themselves so bringing that back to us and our spirituality it's like there isn't anything that we can sign up for anymore I don't believe that there ever will be again some spiritual path or some religion or some teacher or whatever that we just say okay this is my thing and and just ride it all the way to the sunset I I think that that mystics today are really wonderfully spiritually um uh omnivorous not not not um promiscuous that's what we we're for a minute we're a little bit of this a little bit of that like dabbling but omnivorous in other words like we're nourishing ourselves but from lots of different sources like people are working with intuitive intuitive guides people are working with spiritual teachers people are going to therapy I think it's really important that most spiritual people are in therapy um people are working with their sexuality they're working with their somatic awareness they're working with their diet they're working with their movement they're working with their feng shui or whatever their you know their spaces they're working with the environment and that for each person that exact salad is is going to be a little bit different it's it's very new that that kind of thing is is very very new and it really flies in the face of the fundamentalist yeah and so yeah I think that that's what you're asking I don't know I love that I and I really see it like even the visual that I was getting when you were saying that is you know how it used to be every like so my son has really long hair right he literally looks like me his hair is as long as me or as long as mine.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

And and it's so nice to see him walking around and you know being accepted whereas like my older brother my dad kicked him out of the house when he was 18 because he had long hair right so there was like a certain standard in which people needed to be they needed to look they needed to speak a certain way they needed to have a certain faith right in order to be accepted. And I really see what you're saying of like now it's kind of turning into like can we embody who we really are I keep thinking of the word which I've been pondering for quite a while now you kept using the word authority and I've been thinking about as inner authority. Like kind of this inner authority is awakening within us right but within that we have choice in what we're pulling in like you're saying this kind of mixed salad and just do we have the ability to really um own that you know like own this that we're all different and find the beauty in that just like we see outside of us everywhere. It's mirrored everywhere. Yeah right yeah so I love that that's what you really clicked on.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

I mean what's the authority that like what's the authority that like a plant is following it's not following any kind of thing from the outside is telling it what to do. It's like within it and it's just like unfolding it's DNA it's cells it's it has a particular nature is what the Bhagavad Gita calls a swadharma that is just unfolding if if it has what it needs and it's not impeded. So it's a spirituality that is like looking at like removing the impediments and finding the nourishment that we need and then just holding space for that to unfold. I mean that's I mean that's what I do anyway with people and then this the authority you know the root of it is author and so it's like you know sometimes I'll I'll use this um it's kind of trite but this idea of like you know we're writing the the uh screenplay of our own movie you know and at this point a lot of it's already been written you know I'm I'm 54 now so you know a lot of where I'm in the third act probably but how do I want that third act to be it's not inevitable nothing is inevitable you know and and if I have the tools and again to take away the impediments and nourish myself the way that I need to then I can and it's not that it's gonna go exactly the however I say it's gonna be but at least I can be in there and you know listening and like putting that input in there. You know? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Yeah yeah exactly like not just it's not just you're not just unconscious and it's just okay this is like the next part of my life it's like wait I have I can look at this and have influence on what this will be and what this will be not only for you but for your children and for your children's children you know like the whole spectrum of it.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

So and you're you're in this interesting phase with your kids' age because they're still very much still under your wing I'm in this really interesting phase oh Namash Shivaya you know my son is 14 and my daughter's she's only 11 but she's very very precocious and girls mature faster generally speaking and they're both at this really intense individuation phase where it's like I I don't have that much direct authority over them. You know it's like their inner authority is really and their inner authority is like sometimes from my point of view never I could I had an argument with my daughter last night where we're trying to get her to read more like actual books not just like screens and finally she after so much argument agreed that she was going to go and put on a timer and read and I go into her room and she's sitting in an almost dark room and she just has this like purple LED light on her ceiling and she's just like reading in this dark room and we had this whole long argument about that. And I lost the argument also at the end of the argument she did her her reading time in that dark room anyway oh my god that's a whole other thing and I was sitting there at the table thinking about this and thinking about how did I how how did I write this screenplay of parenting how did it become how did I get to this yeah I'm not I'm a little scared of that that phase. No but really and truly it's so fun. It's so cool it's so cool to like if we can get our ego out of the way a little bit it's their their clapbacks are so I just love these kids so much and even when they're and especially when they're driving me the most crazy you know like my daughter was like I want to sleep with the lights on and you tell me it's too bright. And now I want to read with these lights because she wants to have those on when she's asleep. Now I want to read with them and you say it's too dark.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Which is it's so great though it's so great to hear because like I feel that way like I'm just like wow this is incredible. Like I'm not trying to say it's it's not difficult. Like it is on every layer of your being you know and it is just I mean the love is so insane. Like I just I can't comprehend what I feel inside for my children. It's just the most powerful thing you know and for my husband like I just like it's it's been so extraordinary to watch it evolve and get to this point of just holy crap you know and I think it's so nice to hear that like what you were just sharing like it's so amazing you know even in the lights on or lights off you know debate.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

And that's how it is you know for people that don't have families or don't have children they can have that like with their mission they can have that like with their what they're creating in the world. They can have that you know even like with their healing process itself that same thing it's like God this drives me crazy but oh man I'm so grateful for it. You know even though it's so hard you know whatever the thing is starting a business or digging ourselves out of some karmic hole we've dug ourselves into or whatever it is we wouldn't at the end of the day we probably won't wouldn't trade any of it for anything.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Yes exactly thank you so much Harshna um if you could share a little bit you know where people can find you how they can work with you I would love for them to get that information.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

Yeah I mean I love working with people um doing this kind of like one-on-one work with people that's the probably the main thing that I was doing in those days and I'm I'm still doing now um and you can find me best way to find me is on probably social media like Instagram it's just Harsha de Wagner is is my handle on Instagram and on Substack um trying to use Substack more because I can write a little bit more substantially there. And um people that subscribe to that they get like guided meditations and uh they get uh articles you know every I call them articles but they're more like transmissions you know that we do every week um yeah I have a website too it's just harsh it's what is it it's davidhwagner.com and all yeah as you can see as you can see that's not a primary thing finding me on social media that's that's a lot easier and it will link to my website and whatever is whatever's happening next yeah beautiful well thank you so much is there anything you would like to leave us with any any closing that feels resonant right here yeah I mean um I'm just thinking about Janishwar and and I'm just thinking about how you know he was this spiritual master who um he you know did this whole commentary on the Bhagavad Gita when he was just a kid he was just 16 when he when he did this and he wrote so many beautiful poems and and did so much while he was alive. But then when he was very young he was just 21 um he chose to do what's called jivan samadhi which is kind of like to go into a tomb while he was still alive is it sounds very trippy but I think your listeners are into the trippy stuff sometimes and go into deep meditation for the sake of just giving energy for everyone forever and how um you were touched by that I I obviously was touched by that but how any of us on the spiritual path and especially when our intuitive channels are open there's help for us there's this energy of grace you know it's like the divine's helping energy that's there for us. And um to just know that you know whenever we're doing this work we're not doing it alone we have each other and that's a wonderful thing but also we have the help of all of these these beings and this unseen love that we can learn to tune into. So yeah I guess I just leave us with that.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

That was that that made me cry. So thank you. Yeah I think about often that that energy that electricity that came up through my body came from the ground and I think about like how magnificent that is because we're all on ground right now. You know like it can come right from beneath your feet. And granted you know Yaniswar was beneath my feet in that moment and gave his energy and I definitely received it. But just to think that there's energy in the ground everywhere. So thank you so much for sharing that I am so grateful like sincerely my heart and my belly and every cell in my body thank you so much for being here with us and sharing your wisdom. So beautiful till next time guys thank you bye everyone thank you so much for listening today if this episode supported you please subscribe and leave a rating that simple step helps this podcast grow and helps more people reconnect with their intuition in a grounded embodied way. If you want to go deeper take my five minute free quiz in the show notes entitled Unlock the Full Power of your intuition where you'll discover your unique intuitive gifts whether you're a knower, seeer, feeler or sensor and learn more about how your intuition naturally speaks to you. Look out for new episodes dropping every Tuesday. I'm so honored to spend this time with you. See you next time.