Working with spirit body instead of mind body

Join Rich Braconi & Lilly White with guests as they guide you beyond the mind and into the wisdom of the spirit body.

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SPEAKER_06 0:09

So, welcome everyone to Spiritual Speaking with Richard. Richard, with Rich and Lily. We're so happy that you could join us this morning here in Bali and in North America in the evening. You know, we all know that this is a space where conversation meets connection, where your questions are not only heard, but they're felt, and where we gently move beyond the mind and into something deeper, your own higher knowing. Each time we gather here, we open the door to spirit, not as something outside of us, but as something that lives in each and every one of us. Through your questions, your curiosity, and your willingness, we explore the guidance, insight, and the on-seen threads that connect each and every one of us. Rich and I are here not to tell you how to think or what to think, but to help you remember what you already know. So take a breath. You've arrived in this moment. Now let yourself be open to whatever is meant for in this day. Because spirit is always speaking. Today, we are simply listening. So now I'm gonna hand this over to Rich to get us started because I know that some of you have your questions already. And for those that are of you that are actually listening to us on this podcast, we have special guests here today from both Canada and the US, and they've been asked to prepare a question that either myself, Rich, can answer, or perhaps both. But remember, it's not coming from us, it's coming from the spirit that lives in you through us. So, Rich, you want to get us started.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Thank you so much, Lily, and thank everybody for uh for being here and uh giving us a chance to have this great discussion. And we hope that it's enlightening. I think that's the whole purpose of this, to have this knowledge that we're gonna share with you have an effect of enlightenment on you. Like you be inspired with it, but also enlightened by it. And if that ever proves itself true, you'll that's a spiritual experience. That's an experience that your spirit is having when it's enlightened. That's not you thinking. And so that's what that's the premise of uh of our hope. Uh enlightenment. So let's start off. Um, one of the one of the greatest things I've learned from myself since doing this for 15 years, being self-taught and all of this, is the importance of having conversation where we all seek the truth. And what I mean by the truth is explanations that apply to everybody's life on an equal level. That means equal rewards, equal opportunities, some kind of equality and fairness explanation. So, for instance, if we talk about love, an explanation of what love is applies to everybody's life on an equal level, including the rewards of love. And that can be applied to everything else. Um, the only thing that Lily and I ask is to during this time is surrender soul control over what you previously knew. So whatever it is that you previously knew, whatever it is that's inside of your head that's stored, any kind of information, we're going to ask you to surrender control over it and allow whatever knowledge that we're going to share with you be only accepted if it resonates with you as true. If it resonates with you as true, if you put your hand over your heart or your chest and you get a sense, a deep, a deep confirmation, if it resonates with you as true, please know that's the only way any of us are supposed to accept knowledge. And it's only through that confirmation on a spiritual level, that's our spirit confirming that knowledge is true, that we can move our life forward. Anything you think, anything that goes into your brain, you say, This is what I believe it could be true, discard it. Start to accept a higher standard of confirmation of knowledge. Only that knowledge that resonates, that you sense, that has a deep impact here, do you want to recognize as knowledge that's going to be helpful to you currently in life, but also the future. So it's a different standard that I had to learn than what I was taught. Umversations where we all just seek the truth means that anybody can talk God or anybody can talk a higher wisdom at any given time. So it's not one source here, it's all of us. So if if someone else speaks and it resonates with this is true, that's what we accept. So there's going to be some people that are going to speak it more often. This universal wisdom, this universal truth. And but anybody can do it at any given time. So one of the ways I knew I was growing is when the information I offered people resonated more with them. They had a deeper sense that it was true. When I could do that more often, I knew I was growing. I knew that I was evolving. So that's just one of the ways. So let's start it off. This is there a question that or a situation currently going on in your life or in the past that we can talk about as a group and gain insight about. Yeah. Lilla.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

So I'm Chris's niece, and I'm thrilled to be here and thank you for having me. You're welcome. So um, and it's a pleasure to meet you because she talks about the both of you all the time. So um I'm in a very interesting place in life where I just found out about the ending of a career while also dealing with some health issues for the last five years. So I don't feel that I'm at my best self in the moment. And I would love some insight um into I don't know, I I don't even know where to start on this journey because it's I it was not expected.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Um so I think everybody has these moments in life, right? Where life doesn't unfold in the way that we want for ourselves. And our response is life is either difficult because it's challenging us, it's not unfolding in a very good way. Very often, a transition away from the life path we were growing in, very often we're told not to continue on in the life that we've chosen for ourselves. For instance, say you have a job and you go to the job every day, but you don't love it, and you complain about it, and you go, I hate it, I don't like the people, there's no growth, there's no rewards, um, I'm never being recognized, I'm not accepted. It's the same mundane stuff over and over again, and you'll say to yourself, it's not something I love, it's not something I want to be in. But then a second voice comes in, which is your thinking, and goes, Yeah, but we're not gonna look for any other place, we're gonna stay right here. When that happened to me in the past, I realized that I was taught to make choices that promotes personal suffering in my life. And it wasn't I was never educated about that, that my choice making purposely was creating results that cause me personal suffering. Unhappiness is one of them, a lack of harmony or a lack of unity with other people, not feeling accomplished, not feeling proud of myself, not recognizing my true potential. Um, very often the mental tactic of fear would be one of the direct causes of me not showing faith in changing my profession or changing something that I did. And so let me ask you this question, Lila. Were you comp were you happy or where you were at? Was it something you loved?

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Yeah, great question because previously I was bitter about not being paid my value. And what's really interesting in the last year, I came to a place of gratitude and acceptance for where I was at and um and really being grateful and blessed for where I was at, that I get to work from home and this, that, and the other. And I'm wondering, and I'm grateful that I got to see the other side of things and not living in the bitter. And but it feels like as soon as I got really comfortable in my rhythm of how this is gonna be till I retire, you know, in the next 10 years or whatever it is, is when it slapped me upside the head because I think, and not to talk bad about myself because I'm trying to work on them. Um but I think because something bigger than me knew that I am not living my greater self. And then I'm gonna be clear, but it's so uncomfortable, I don't know what I want to do. And at the same time, how am I gonna pay my bills, right? So I am I know that nothing happened to me. It happened for my greater good. Like I'm okay with them. It's I'm not liking how stressed I am and how the energy feels and all of them, and I really don't know what's next, right? So I'm I've never been in this position that I've not super controlled my environment. And this is a journey for me to learn to let go. I know you guys are all laughing because I'm certain we all feel this way too, right? Like, how are we gonna learn? Sometimes it just has to happen for us.

SPEAKER_06 11:23

Rich, can I answer this in my own way and then you come back in? Okay, thank you. Really nice to meet you, Lillian. Um, you know, how loved you actually are. How loved you actually are. As an astrologer, it's not a coincidence that our health and our work is in the same house, what we call the sixth house. And the way you're answering the question is exquisite because you already know in your heart and the spirit and soul of who you are, your mind gets has been jammed. The control issues, correct? No, yes, survival. Exactly. Of course, it's survival. And so the answer to your question is now allow yourself to be led. Because we are fated for certain things, and the choices you now make, instead of going into the victim or sabotaging your life with the woe-me's, those choices now are going to lead you into your next step, and what you know intuitively what is needed. You just haven't brought it in yet. Spirit has it's not that spirit takes anything from us, it's just you had said you were bitter. So, of course, the body is going to react to that, your health is going to react to that. Then suddenly we're stripped of everything someday. Some of us group have been stripped of everything. What we felt was taken from us, nothing is taken. It's just another layer of our soul, spiritual self reaching a pinnacle where we say, I surrender. And now watch what happens. The people you meet, the places, the people, the things will come into you because you're living from the heart now, not the mind. And you mirac that's when miracles happen.

SPEAKER_09 13:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:34

And remember, it's all just for today. So there'll be days that everything is chaotic and you're in survival mode. But if you can just remember who you actually are from spirit and bring that into the heart, as Rich continually teaches us, and then be guided. Allow yourself to be guided, whether it's through people like Rich, your ancestors, your own inner wisdom, but don't panic and stop the control. It's total surrender time now. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Welcome. Um, so to add on to it, something I've learned from myself, Lilla, is very often when I first started off, I had to I had to remind myself that if I'm really a spirit, if it's really true, if there really is a spiritual presence with an intelligence inside of this physical being, if it's really, really true, it has to have a separate goal other than making money. It has to have its own goal in life. And what I've learned is that I found evidence and proof that we really are a spirit, and our physical brain is not us, it's something separate. Mental fear is often a voice that we will hear to prevent us from moving in a direction to accomplish our spiritual goals in life. That happens now. How many people here have had a sense that change needs to happen in their life, whether it be relationships or a profession, and a voice of mental fear talked you out of it? Everybody, every single person. Now, when we talk about things that are universally true, this is true for every single person in the world. When we have a direction of for our spirit, and that direction can come through a voice of just being spiritually unhappy. I'm not happy with my progress in life, and then you say to yourself, I have to have courage to shift my life around. And then another voice, a mental fear, will come in and say, Yeah, but what about money? What about benefits? What about our future? What if you fail? What if you can't find anything? And it'll go on and on and on. So when this has happened to me in my life, and I use that information and I tested it, I said, Let me prove to see if it's true. One of the biggest moments was retiring from my police job while I was divorced and away from my daughter, by myself in tens of thousands of dollars in debt, and I was being guided to start a spiritual career that I never did before. And that was the choice I had to make. So here I'm completely in debt, by myself, away from everyone, and the voice is going, you got to retire from the police department, my only soul of benefits, my only soul of income. And you have to start a spiritual services business that I had no background in it, nor did I even think about, I don't even know whether any of it was capable. And then that was my moment of faith. If you really believe that you're a spirit, Rich, then show courage in me. Show courage as a higher wisdom that's communicating to you. That's you're not thinking about this. I'm inspiring you with this information. And does it resonate with you? And I said, Yes. And they said, Go on. If not, you're gonna have a shallower life experience. Your goals are gonna be about money, your goals are gonna be about benefits. And at the end of your lifetime, you can go, oh, I made a good amount of money, or I had a bunch of benefits, or look how nice the car was I was driven. And that's gonna be your goals, and it's gonna be a shallower life experience because along with it is a lack of harmony, a lack of unity, a lack of synchronicity, a lack of oneness in life. Along with goals of money in cars is a competition, and that means you have to be controlling in life, you have to try to control your life on your own. When I learned to surrender soul control over my life, and I had to show faith and courage in that one moment, it was it was this time in my life that I probably had to show the most assertiveness and courage in the fact that God exists, a higher power does exist. I was showing faith in that, an alternate communication that nobody's ever taught me before, you know, growing up, my religion, society, nobody's ever taught me. And I said, if this is really true, if there is a higher wisdom speaking to all of us, and through being inspired in what resonates with us, and it's different than us thinking, and my brain is trying to create a fear saying, I don't want you to follow that voice of guidance witch. What if I did? And when I did, I went back and looked at all the times my mental fear was wrong. It was wrong over, it was never right. Everything it told me to be afraid of was something spiritually that I was meant to accomplish, and I was wrong. So when you have this moment of unhappiness, Lilla, look at it as a change of direction coming from you. When there's a lack of harmony, you don't have to be in gratitude of a lack of harmony with people, or you don't have to find different items and say, Well, I'm grateful for this, but I'm still there's a lack of happiness. You don't have to settle for that in life. What you can do is when you have this moments of being disconnected from a job or a profession, that means your time there is over. If you were meant to grow, of course, there's going to be these opportunities that existed before. They're not going to be there anymore because it's time for you to move on. It's time for you to grow. And that's all this is. And this happens to me and everybody else. The people that benefit most from this, these moments of choosing, is the ones that show faith that I'm not going to settle in life. I'm going to use my life in this time to step forward and go, I'm going to put every resume I possibly can. I'm going to promote myself in an honest and truthful and genuine way. And let's see. Let's see if something doesn't come across that's better. And so that's what I did, and that's what I've instructed other people to do. And every single time, a greater opportunity was always waiting there on the sidelines, going, All you had to do is have faith in me. That's why I made you unhappy. So if God exists, when there's a lack of unity or harmony with your profession, and then unhappiness is a demonstration, that's a spiritual experience. When you're unhappy, that's a higher power communicating to you saying, I don't want you here anymore. I talk to you through your spirit. I'm not going to go and talk to you in your head. I talk to you through your spirit. So when you're unhappy, when you feel not proud of your accomplishments, when you don't see any growth, we were never intended to live a life without constant growth in our life, constant progression. So look at it as a moment that you weren't listening before when you were unhappy. You didn't seize that opportunity, that moment to say, let me just go put a bunch of resumes out and see what happens. Yep. And so that higher power says that you didn't listen to me before. Now I'm going to get you, I'm getting you out of here. But trust me, I'm not going to fail you. I'm going to have something ready for you. So I say within three months, three. Three months in a week, three months and two weeks, you're going to be offered a job that's going to be that's going to far exceed what you're currently going through. What that usually means to me is one, finances, but also two, your ability to move forward and to progress. So spiritual evolution is all about progression. So some kind of profession that you're going to be able to, you're going to be able to progress. And um, but don't have fear. It's just your life evolving. It's changing for the better. That's all it is. You're moving away from things that don't serve your life anymore.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah, and that's the greatest way. And it's interesting because for years now, I knew that there was a bigger picture and a bigger calling and that I could be of service for more and more women. I just have a fear of being out there to on the social platforms and whatnot to build and all of them. Um, and I'm challenging myself to do them on a daily basis right now. So I'm super uncomfortable with all of this stuff and I am being open to it in their more shitty days when I just want to crawl into a hole and clean. Um I feel so good about what's coming, then that is what is helps me keep moving forward. So thank you for um again, thank you for allowing me to be here because I love these conversations of possibility, right? And um that's just who I am. I'm like anything and everything is possible, and I'm just interested in being open to it and not be shutting down as the human side of things, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:39

One, and so going back, and so just just to have a platform for you. Um, and this is true for all people. Your mental fears were was created to try to talk you out of your spiritual growth and a life of progression. So spiritual growth means progression in life, yeah, not I'm gonna live my life comfortably and the same thing, doing it over and over again. That's not about spiritual growth, you're evolving yourself. Yeah, the other thing is when you're when you're listening to a spiritual growth, you want to pay attention to experiences that your spirit is having. So when you're unhappy, that's a spiritual experience. Your spirit should be happy. So it's telling you this isn't for us anymore, whether it be relationships or it be where you're living at or it be the profession that you're in, listening to your level of happiness, which is a reflection of when love strongly exists in your life, whether it be between people or a love for your profession or your love for your residence or your love for your hobbies, that experience of love will trigger your spirit to be happy. So just know it works that way, and hold on to that scenario that when you don't love something in life, your spirit will be unhappy. That's a spiritual experience. That's time for you to move forward. Now, do your best to shift away from your thinking to what you're being drawn to do. That's a spiritual experience too. I get a sense this job is going to be better than this one. I get a sense this direction. Start to use the abilities of your spirit, not your thinking, not your physical abilities, but your spirit's abilities to be aware and to sense and what resonates with you and what you say. I don't know why, but I'm being drawn to this. That's a spiritual experience that's based on oneness, unity that's trying to point you in a certain direction. Now, that's not your choosing, that's something that you have to surrender yourself that. I'm being drawn over here first. When you're being drawn in a certain direction, that's a higher power going, I'm helping you. Just listen. I'm never going to pull you or energetically in a loving way, guide you to a certain direction that's not going to work out for you. I'll never make you suffer. But if you go back to your mental fears and you listen to it, that's a life of personal suffering. My life for you, you'll never you don't suffer. So keep it in mind, it's a change. Yeah. Your diet, too, like um food-wise and your diet, always always show faith and courage. You know how to change yourself for the better. Stop pretending, stop pretending you don't.

SPEAKER_09 26:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yep. So when it comes to your diet, I think the biggest part is the will of our spirit buckling to our brain, trying to talk us out of doing what we know is right for our health.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Yep. So it's about more of a willfulness. You're growing the strength of your spirit when you acknowledge and you succeed in the direction that you'll say, I'm going to stop pretending I don't know the right thing to do to improve my health. I'm going to stop pretending I don't know. And now I'm going to show strength in it. And then go in that direction, whether it be fasting for a little bit, you know, fast for 12 hours at a time, and then go back to eating some food, cutting certain foods out, going for a walk. And never give yourself a routine. Just whatever you're inspired to do. Have the willfulness to back it up and put a smile on your face and just laugh at it all.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Yeah. Yeah. Because life is a journey, right? Life is just fun. And we're all this work in progress. How about anybody else? Has anybody else had moments where your mental fear talked you out of the direction that you felt like spiritually you're supposed to go into?

SPEAKER_07 28:03

Um, can I can I just add something in?

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 28:07

Um, it's Francis, and um, I'm sorry, I'm not sure why my camera's still not working, but um so I was kind of I know Lily knows about this, um, and I'm kind of related to Lila in a bit of a way because it's about the job thing. Um, I had the same job with a very mean control freak boss for a long time. Um and I, you know, I applied and I applied and I applied for other jobs, and then I finally got something at another company that was similar, well, same same industry. And I went to this new job, um, you know, thinking it was going to be great because finally I found something else. And then the boss was even worse than my old boss. And I left that job and I I was talking for like four months. Like I was just, I felt like a nervous wreck though at this job. And um and so I just got a new job in a doctor's office, but he's a bit of a bully too. So I feel like I I'm not standing up for myself. Is that what it is? Um, I just feel like I've had so much fear and disappointment job wise, and it's the money thing as well. Like I feel like I'm always struggling. Yeah, boundaries. I guess it's boundaries, but I I just feel like and I pray and I meditate, and I just feel like why is this happening?

SPEAKER_06 29:45

Yeah, we've discussed this, uh, Rich and Group, uh, Frances and I, and one of the things that I I I feel for Frances is there will come a day where when she stops bullying herself, the people that's in front of her will stop bullying her. So that's the issue to look at uh for now, and I'm sure that Rich will have something else to add to this because nothing is a coincidence, as we know. So the fact that it continually happens for you is something that inside of you that you're attracting. So, what is that? What Rich, I want you to add to that because her and I have discussed this at length in some other uh in another aspect, but it's not it's a learning curve, you know, as to at what point do we say enough is enough. When we get the strength to say, no, you can't talk to me like that. I am brilliant at my job, and either you want me or you don't, but you don't let anyone bully us if we know who we are and we know we're doing the best job that we can at that time because we are not in our minds and we're allowing spirit to guide us, nothing can stop us, and nobody can bully us unless we allow it. Rich, do you want to add to that?

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Um, yes. So before I ask Frances this question, um, I want to share this with the group.

SPEAKER_07 31:31

Thanks so much.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

If what I'm a if if what I'm saying, if what I'm about to ask her, if it's if it's true, this should be her response. I've come to learn this. If we really are a spirit, which we are, and there's an intelligence, and we're here on this earth to evolve, and we have a physical lifetime to do it. And to evolve means to gain a higher education about ourselves, to, and that higher education has to do with love and unconditional love. Let's just start there. Now, love and unconditional love is a power that affects everybody's life, every single person. So, again, we're talking about a universal truth, a universal wisdom, and we're about to get a little bit of an explanation about what this power means. One of the things about love is it never, ever, ever violates somebody's free will. So if we're saying we're going to be loving towards one another, say our words. What our words can't. What we can't we can't deliver our words in this way if we're going to never violate somebody's free will, meaning that we we can't deliver our words where we're telling somebody what to do. We can't deliver our words in a fearful way, in a threatening way, in a bullying way, in a way where people are going to feel they don't have the freedom to answer back. We can't deliver our words in a shameful way, in a guilt, in a guilt way. If we're here to evolve ourselves, when we have these moments in our life, we have to learn. We have to learn from these experiences. So if I was growing up and somebody was bullying me, or my parents are very controlling in life, one of the things I had would have to learn from myself is oh, they're not aligned with unconditional love because they're violating my free will. They're not adding to my life and inspiring me with some kind of higher wisdom. What they're trying to do is control me. And so when I start to learn this, the next step is to practice that in my own life. I'll never tell somebody what to do, I'll never start, I'll never come across and deliver my words in a shameful or in a guiltful way, in a threatening way, in a demeaning way, in a harmful way, in a in a way that we might say is punishing towards other people. That's not something I'm ever going to do. And so I start my practice. And it takes me years to change myself. When I learn that, on a spiritual level, I grow. The choices I now make, I'm able to recognize when people aren't aligned with love, that people are unloving. You know, they're gonna violate free will, they're gonna be very controlling, you're gonna see more moments of people delivering their words in anger in a hurtful way, in a painful way. When you learn that life lesson and you start to practice it yourself, your choices will no longer result in choosing people or even professions that have bullies connected to them. So let me ask this to Francis if this is true. Do you ever did you ever come from a background where there was bullying or people were very controlling over you in life, Francis?

SPEAKER_07 35:40

Uh yeah, for sure. Um, I was the youngest out of seven, so I think I felt like I was always being controlled and told what to do. Um, and you know, from the spiritual of or from the religious perspective of being a Catholic, it was always, you know, what's everybody gonna think? And you have to do the right thing. Um sort of thing, you know? And you know, you're a good girl, always be a good girl. So I always just kind of was a people pleaser, I think.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Now, what about in your personal relationships? Did you choose people like that when you started dating, when you got to an age when you started dating and interacting on relationship levels?

SPEAKER_07 36:24

I did because I was with a narcissist for a long time. Yes, unfortunately. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

So when we talk about our spirit and its intelligence, we're talking about evolving ourselves towards a higher level of unconditional love within us. That means all our actions, all our words, every choice we ever make has to be more aligned with that. When we practice this, and the purity level within our spirit increases, and we just focus on growing ourselves, being proud of what words we we express, how we express those words, the choices we make. We just want to be proud of ourselves. That evolving inside of recognizing this power, this loving power that is responsible for togetherness, an increased unity, and increased harmony, a oneness, that starts having an effect on our life. And as we as we gain as we gain this higher level of love inside of us by practicing this all the time, our awareness on who's loving and who's not loving begins to grow. Now, your awareness is an ability only your spirit has. Your physical, your brain, the physical part of you doesn't have that ability, only your spirit. Your awareness can see in the future, it can also see into things that have a possibility of being part of your future. It will not resonate with certain jobs that do not serve a loving role for you. It won't. So when I say you get a confirmation of what you sense when you get drawn to something, you won't get drawn to that job. The one with the bully in it.

SPEAKER_09 38:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Even, and what'll happen is that you'll get drawn to a profession that has a lack of harmony or the bully in it, or the person who wants to express themselves in a punishing way, this you know, the the superior that you might be connected to. They might offer you a lot of money to work there, but it'll never resonate with you because it doesn't serve the goal of your spirit. It serves our our social goals, your your brain goals, but never the goals of your spirit. So that means that you're gonna start living a happier life. You're gonna start being proud of yourself, and then when you align yourself with jobs that have more of a loving essence to them, and your spirit is aware of that, you're gonna recognize this higher intelligence that never wants to see you unhappy again. It's the coolest thing.

SPEAKER_07 39:24

So, so how do we practice that in our daily life then? It's more self-love, but what like how do we how do we start that? Like, how do we get the ball rolling?

SPEAKER_00 39:34

So, the first thing when you're learning to be loving to yourself is to change your goal in life. Your goal can never be money, your goal can never be um an increased wealth, a competition over other people to do better than other people. So you're gonna have these moments where your brain is gonna say, make this choice. And you have to be aware that you're not gonna make that choice. So you're gonna get away from it. Another way of doing it is putting yourself in a state of peace all the time, holding on to it, a level of tranquility, um, a level of um you want to start practicing um that you're not doing life alone, that you're you're going to focus on abilities of your spirit, such as being drawn to your choices in the future. You're going to, or being something that resonates with you, or you feel pulled, you're going to start sensing. The other thing you're going to start doing is as you walk around in your daily life, you're going to slow your pace down in life. You're going to slow a pace down to where you're enjoying yourself. Now you're going to go in and out of this all the time, but you have to get back to it. And then what you're going to do is you're going to grow more of learning to surrender sole control over your life. You're going to make sure that every word that you say is delivered as a sincere loving gesture towards someone. You're never going to tell somebody what to do. You're going to be aware of when you get angry at situations, and you're going to say, That's not a choice that I'm making for myself. And then what you're going to do is that your spirit is now all these changes that you're going to be making in your words and your actions. You're not doing life alone. You're being drawn to whatever choice you're about to make. I want you to get drawn to it and go, that's the one a higher power is drawing me towards. That means you're not responsible for that. And you allow yourself to go on a ride. You allow yourself to be part of a journey that you're being guided towards and surrender yourself to that. That's the partnership that most people don't permit themselves to be part of. You think all the time, people think all the time, they go, I'm doing life on my own. There's a competition out there. I have to be this way, I have to be all of that's nonsense. All of that is nothing more than a ploy to get you away from your real goal of your spirit, which is to evolve yourself into this partnership, to surrender yourself to it.

SPEAKER_06 42:20

And Richard just like to add also, Francis, to really understand how much and feel, not even understand, because that's from the brain, to feel in the heart and the soul of who you are, how much you really are loved. I just spent two weeks with someone that has never understood that she was loved until I gave her example after example. Even for today, just take the love that we have for you in these rooms, that Rich has for you, that I have for you, and tuck that into you. And that's a wonderful way to start your day. Because when we know we are cherished and loved, not just by others, but by spirit, God of your understanding, we can move mountains, my love. We can move you. So you are love.

SPEAKER_07 43:14

Thank you very much. That means a lot. Thank you. I appreciate it so much. Thank you, Rich, as well.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

You're welcome. Yeah, you know, the the most important thing I can I could share with with people is empower yourself. Empower yourself that there's a much there's a channel or flow of information that only speaks to your spirit. And if you empower yourself to just focusing on the abilities of your spirit to be able to be aware, to sense, to know what path in life has the highest quality. Of love attached to it. Just do that every single choice you make. So, whatever choices you're making, if you have three different professions in front of you that's offering you jobs, Francis, okay. The first thing you do is this you say, I'm not making a choice. What I'm going to do is I'm going to ask God or a higher power, please tell me what holds the greatest experience of love for me. And allow yourself to get drawn to that source, that one. Whatever resonates with you, whether it gets drawn. And you might even start with this eliminating the one that you're not drawn to. So if you have three in front of you going, this one I'm not drawn to at all, remove it. Now they might come back and go, but we're going to offer you twice as much money. And you you're here's what you're having to say. Nope, I'm showing faith that I'm a spirit, and my success in them during my physical lifetime is not based on money. It's based on evolving myself and new experiences and new opportunities. And the one that is being chosen to you, the one that resonates with you as the most loving for your life, is the one that's going to hold the most responsibilities. Now, your finances might not go up for another two or three years, but they're going to go up. But in the meantime, you're going to be given everything that you need. And what that means is that you're going to make enough money to get by, but spiritually, you're going to be educated and placed in experiences that are going to serve your spiritual growth. And then it slowly evolves. And I say this from what I've learned. I've said this from starting with nothing, from starting from scratch. And my whole family going, he's nuts, he's crazy, he's lost his mind, everybody disconnecting from me. And then that power, that higher power, said, Yeah, it's going to take them a while, Rich, but they'll come around. Give them two or three years because they lack the learnedness to understand what path I'm about to put you on. And that's exactly what happened two or three years later. My parents and my family and all my friends that came around and went, Oh, that really is happening to you.

SPEAKER_06 46:25

I just like to add one more thing too from an experience that I had yesterday. And this is, I think, for most of us. I took part in, I was invited uh through the family to take part in a cremation ceremony. And, you know, Francis, and each and every one of us, getting involved in community is extremely important. When I witnessed this event yesterday, it was a full day event, there wasn't one person in this community that was in their homes. They were all out to celebrate this individual who had passed on. And I looked around, I thought, oh my God, there's so much love here. And it's because nobody is isolated. When we isolate ourselves or we're too shy to expand out in the community and help in some small way, it touches us, we touch them, and they touch us in a way that is nothing but loving. And then with what Rich is recommending, it all then gets layered. We're not islands, we are a community in communion with one another to nourish our mind, body, and spirit. So to Francis, honey, don't be shy. Just get out there, get involved in the community as much as you can, and you'll be shocked at what will come to you also. Thanks.

SPEAKER_07 47:48

Thank you. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Anyone else have similar stories? Anything you feared? Anything you have a fear of a mental fear about? Yeah, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

Thank you so much for inviting me. And uh, Rich and Lily, uh, thank you so much for opening this up. And I've spoken to Rich a couple of times. One of the most important things you said was about don't deliver words in the punishing way. And that has been like part of my family. Maybe it's not so much punishing, but it's ridicule. It's why did you do that? And why did you do that? But anyway, throughout this journey, um, you know, recently, uh three days ago, I had something difficult I was going to say to somebody. And I realized, you know, what I'm going to say is not really loving. And so my uh response has changed in my head for days now, for three days. And now I know because I feel I have to say things in a loving way to this person. But uh, the other thing that has happened to me is my older daughter, we've gone through up and down periodically, and now it's down. And Rich said something to me very important at one point. He says, What he said was, I'm not the same person I used to be. And that's huge. I'm not the same mother I was 40 years ago. You know, times have moved on, and that was so helpful to me, Rich. And this last event or discussion I had with my daughter, and I had to, I felt loving, but I had to let go and let her move on wherever she is. And if she wants a relationship at some point, you know, I would like it, but I'm not going to go after it and you know push my buttons against her or whatever that is. Um, and that is huge. But when you say love everybody unconditionally, for me, it's kind of one person at a time. It kind of changes, it's not like love with an umbrella. It's like, okay, now it's this one, whoever is coming into my life, now it's this little man for three days I've been thinking what to tell her, and now I know, you know, I have to change my thinking. How can I say it lovingly? And and I know that is the answer. Um, so anyway, I wanted to say that I don't want to take up too much time because every time I attend, I get these gems of wisdom. And then one of the things that I had to also do is forgive myself for choosing to be with somebody way, way back. It's like, you know, I never forgave myself. I didn't even think of it. I forgave him, but I never forgave myself for choosing him, knowing from day one this was not going to work. So, anyway, thanks so much for being here.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

That was a great story, Chris. Thank you so much. You know, what is so important is us sharing our stories with one another and doing so and realizing how much we all have the same stories in our life. They all have an effect on us. So when I share with you that spiritually we're all going through similar experiences, the answers that we provide here equally satisfy all those different experiences. So, like for instance, when we were just talking to Francis, it's important that we grow. And for us to grow, we have to come to a knowledge that governs everybody's life equally. So that knowledge is based on love, and so love isn't something that we can reach into our pocket and pull out and hand someone. You can't do that, and so when you say like I give somebody love, it's not true. You can't give somebody love. Love is an experience that you have with other people, but each person has to commit themselves to a sincere gesture of being open and helpful towards one another. If you have one person who says, I'm not open to what you have to say, there is no loving experience to have. You have to have people that are willing to be open to one, the truth about themselves and changing themselves, using that information about themselves that somebody shares with you and changing themselves for the better, and say, Thank you for pointing that out. If you don't have that, the loving experience will be very superficial. You'll have secrets all the time, you won't fully trust one another, there'll be a lack of honesty, there'll be a lack of openness. The experience of love, unconditional love also, is not something we can do on our own. Two people have to get together to commit themselves to a sincere gesture of love towards one another in order to have that experience. It's really cool when you understand it all. So it makes sense that when what Chris was saying with her daughter or even other people in her life, if they're not open into listening to her on how she's changed for the better, I'm not that same person 40 years ago. Yes, I've made mistakes. You won't see me make them again. I'm not the same person. Please don't recognize me as something a long time ago. There's a lack of intelligence if you see me as the same person I was 20 years ago on your end. And yes, I need compassion from people. I need compassion that I'm a work in progress, but you're going to see me be open to whatever it is that you tell me, I'm gonna listen to it. And if it resonates with me as true, I'm gonna change myself. I'm gonna use that information to say thank you, and I'm gonna change myself. Both sides have to do that. If you do that, the experience of love will be there forever, and it will continue to grow, but you can't do it on your own. Um moments of fear, mental fear, when it comes to people or professions or something in the past. Even what Chris was saying about, she said, you know, I believe she was saying this like, I knew a long time ago this person wasn't right in my life. So listen to when you say this to yourselves, listen to the words you use. When you say I know, that's your spirit, that's an ability of your spirit saying, I know the truth. Your thinking, which is not you, will then counter. And its counter is I know you know the truth, but I want you to do the opposite of that. I want you to stay with the person anyway. I want you to stick with it, and it's gonna come up with all reasons to talk you out of what you know. Your brain is gonna tell you what it believes to be true. Yeah, but we can change this person, we can do that, we can do it. It won't tell you how, it's just going to tell you, it's gonna try to talk you out of some kind of growth or some kind of future that's going to benefit your spirit, it's gonna try to take that future away from you, it's gonna ask you to listen to it. So just know the difference when you say, Here's what I believe, or here's what I want, and when you start to use these words, I just know this to be true. I don't want anything, I just know it to be true. And when you say the things I know, that's when you want to show faith in it. Show faith in that, because that's your spirit speaking with you. The other one is your is your thinking, trying to talk you out of it. Did anybody have moments like that where mental fear kicked in where it talked you out of a situation, another story? Anything in the past? Come on, Dave. Dave Booker's not saying nothing.

SPEAKER_06 56:52

Yeah, but Rich, I also want to uh to mention that they may have other questions that's not related to fear, okay also, that they're welcome. Yeah, because I know some of them had some questions perhaps prepared. In the meantime, though, Dave, do you want to uh unmute? There you go.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

Unmute. Okay, I'll share a little story. Um get your feedback on it. So I I have been, I would say, intimately related to my inner guide for decades. So the other day I sat down to meditate. Before I was meditating, I said to my guide, um, I'd like to see you. Show me who you are. And uh instantly the response came back. You can't see, I you cannot see what can't be seen. You cannot see what can't be seen. I thought, oh, that's a bummer. Um meditated anyway. A couple of days later, I started experiencing um observation of love, and I'm not talking about the love that I have for Julie or for my children, I'm talking about a very different kind of understanding about love, and I thought, oh, that's kind of interesting. So it's not a coincidence that I asked to see you and I and nothing appeared because you can't see what you can't see. But uh it took me down a whole route of understanding what love is, which is uh what I've come to understand this is significantly more than just an emotion that we might experience for one other or something or ourselves, and and then about I guess 10 days ago, I started uh writing poetry, which I've not done, I've done a little bit in the past, but suddenly I'm getting all these poems, and it's all about what love actually is. Uh, so I've I've probably got about eight or ten poems I've written now. At the same time, I'm interested in AI. Um, and so I've been putting my poems through AI. So I create the uh concept, and then I I ask my AI companion, as Julie will know. I ask my AI companion to write it in the uh style of Rumi, which uh Rumi, the 12th century poet, who I I'm quite um a big fan of. And so now I've got about a 10 or 12 really beautiful poems, and I'm getting one every day. Um, and and so I'm I'm sharing that with you because it's not a question, although I I do wonder where these poems are going to, and I guess I could ask why am I getting it through poetry? I think I have an answer for myself. Um but I'll my dog our dog's name is called Rumi, which is a pure coincidence because Julie actually came up with the name and she didn't know Rumi, the Sufi. Um, when I'm walking Rumi each day, um, I had this great connection with her, and I get and I'm getting poems as I walk and things like that. So there you go. So I had I haven't got a question, but this is quite uh prevalent in my experience right now, is coming out with these poems that are all definitions of love, not as the emotion, it's as the universal energy. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:33

How do you add to that? That is brilliant. Thank you so much for that, David, because you've just taught not just us here today, but anyone listening to be still and know that love, God, of our understanding comes through creativity. I'm speechless because I love Rumi also, and you know that I'm a poet. Um, I like to think of myself as a poet, but I can guarantee you one thing I know for sure. Being dyslectic, how I've ever written nine books is way beyond me understand my understanding. But what I understand is not one of them ever came from me, not a line has ever come from me. It comes through me from spirit, the God of love that I know as as spirit or my higher power. I mean, everybody has a different word for God. Uh, some people have good or redirection, it doesn't matter as long as there's something bigger than ourselves that we believe in, and your story just solidifies that creativity, that love comes through us, not from us, but through us, and then we're able to share with others. So thank you so much for that. And Rich, I would like for you to add to that also.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:04

Thank you, Lily. Dave, you're you said you there was a um like a guardian that you that you follow.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

Uh not that it's within me. Uh that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

So within you, there's like a there's like a guardian angel, or how do you refer to it as?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:22

Well, uh my current terminology is I call it my guru. I used to call it my my guide, um, and and we have conversations, and we and I have had since I was about seven. Um, so we I I'm as I say, I'm very intimately aware of my guru, and and I know that I am wrapped around my five-sensory human beingness is wrapped around his or its um infinity. So I one of my poems is called A Dance with Infinity, which is literally my relationship with this guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Give me some idea. Is so you refer to him as a him, so he's a he's a guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

Well, yeah, I I I only say that because I am. I it when when I when I when he speaks to me, it's in my voice, but as you have referenced numerous times on this call and the last call I was on with you, it doesn't come from my head, it comes from it doesn't even come from my heart, it comes from me. My whole body is talking, and I just when he speaks, it's true. There's there's no doubt. There's just you know, and it's very simple and it's very precise and and it's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:36

Is he defined to you or is he undefined to you?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

Um I I don't quite understand the question.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

So originally you said that he speaks to you through your voice, but there was a sense about you that he could be a male. So that would be that would be defined if you're seeing him as a physical male.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Yeah, no, it's not it's not a male. I can tell you that now. I understand I only refer to this guru in the male sense because it's me. If I was a female, I'd probably call it a she, but it's an it. And in fact, it's not an it, it's everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

So is there any definition to it? Does it does it appear to you as a figure, or does it have no form whatsoever?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

It has no form whatsoever, and I and I know that it is a portal, uh, meaning that it's everything, and I I and so I'm in touch with everything, and it speaks to me so that I understand it, uh, but it's just like a pinnacle of what it is. It's kind of like if you I'll just say in the uh Bhadavad Gita, if you've read that book, uh you know, the Lord in that one, he says, I am everything. Uh that is the sense I get when I speak to this person or this entity, it's everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

So this thing, this entity, this guru has appeared to you then.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

Not physically, but well, that's different.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

Well, that's different, right? So if you're asking, if you ask God or you ask an angel, or you ask the spiritual guru to produce something to make to make itself physical to you, that's something that it's not.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:41

So that's your question is so when we go and so this is for everybody your spirit has the ability to see. That's different than your physical observations. The eyes of your spirit is your awareness. Look at it as the eyes of your spirit. Spirit. So what David is saying, I can become aware that what I refer to as a guru is not defined. It comes from all different sources. The voice that it's choosing to use so that I recognize it is my own voice. What that demonstrates to me is a oneness. I am part of it and it is part of me. That's what it's teaching me. And so when we do this, when we when we are witnessing or experiencing this ability that we have to be aware of what it's not, that scene with your spirit. When you can say it's not this, it's not this, and that's the same thing as saying it's this. There's no difference at all. But what you're doing is using the ability of your spirit to envision this conversation and the source of that conversation, he calls the guru, that's the source, and he's saying it's not any of these, it's not a key, it's not a chi, it's not this, it's not that. That's the same exact thing of being able to say, here's what it looks like, is when you can say, here's what it doesn't look like. So that's a vision. And so when he's saying it's undefined, yet it's wise, all that, um, when he says that it speaks to me, one of the things that you want to say to you, this is for all people, when you have these moments, and everybody, everybody has these moments and is intended to grow them. When he speaks to you, does he tell you what to do, David? Does he demand does he demand something from you and say you have to do this?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

No, there's no there's no demanding it, it's just a comment that I know is true. Okay, stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:49

So that in itself, he's trying to teach you how he communicates. He's saying, David, I'm never going to tell you what to do because that would violate your free will. I'm trying to share with you that I'm part of love, and this is how I speak to you. And so when you have these moments where someone in spirit, whether it be a guru or God or angels, or your loved ones in spirit, you're going to see that they communicate through inspiration. It's not something that's in your head. He's inspiring you. He's telling, he's, he's allowing you to know what he knows. When you get inspired with information, that's how you recognize that's a spirit. And when it aligns itself with the communication of unconditional love, that's another way you know you're talking to someone in spirit. That means he'll never violate your free will. He'll say, here's my information for you, here's my guidance from you, but I'll never tell you you have to take it. It's up to you. Then David said, which is another spiritual ability. I know this is true. He didn't say I think it's true. He said, I know it's true. That's another, those three things you want to say to yourself, these are the criteria of knowing when I'm communicating with someone in spirit. So it's the coolest thing. So without you knowing it, he's actually telling you about himself. He's confirming. When when we go and take a moment, that experience that David's having when he talks to his guru, a higher power, a wiser being, you want to take that experience that you're having and learn from it. That's what I did. I would take a moment and go, oh, they're inspiring me with information. Oh, look, they didn't violate my free will. It is unconditional love. Then I would say, oh, I know this to be true. That's different than me saying, I think or I believe it's true. Then I would put my hand on my chest and my heart and go, it resonates, or the experience I'm having is here. That's different than me doing this. So without you knowing it, that experience you're having of communication is telling you a whole bunch of information that might have slipped by you in the past. And so that's what you want to do. So every time he shares something with you, contemplate it. Take that experience that you're having, see how you responded to it. All these different points of acknowledgement of that communication exist. So it's so cool. The other thing, too, is so one, when you guys have these experiences with people in spirit, remember that criteria that we just discussed, because that's that's validation, that's evidence that you're talking to someone in spirit. When you also have these moments where you start to reach out in the most subtle way, like what David was saying, I had these poems and I went to AI and I said, Can you do it in Rumi? What he's actually saying is, Rumi, I need your help. And he was what he did on a spiritual level is he was surrendering soul control over his life, and he was creating a sincere spiritual need. And through his through his gesture of using AI, he was asking a higher power for its help. That's why it's staying with him to this day. That sincere gesture of love, that's all we have to do is demonstrate towards people in spirit, whether it be Rumi or someone you doesn't met, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter their their human name. What human name we had, what physical body we were in, none of it matters. It's all nonsense. What does matter is your sincere spiritual need, a sincere gesture of love, that you're asking a higher power for help. He happened to ask for Rumi, and that's why Rumi's gone, oh yeah, I can help you. And what we should never do is make a big deal about this. It's just true. We can do it with anyone, and that's why you're getting help, David. Because you surrendered sole control over your life and you asked it and you didn't even realize it. That's what happens all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:16

Thank you. Appreciate it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

Absolutely. Questions? Other people have questions? Lily, you were talking about other people having questions. Maybe this is a moment for them.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:34

Constance hasn't said a word yet. Waiting for Constance. Nothing, Constance, no insight. How about something that we've talked about that kind of resonated with you?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:50

That's because you have great insight. Um I was just jotting some things down on a piece of newspapers. You had such good good words to say that were that were really resonating. Um I had an experience. Um I went away on a on a trip down south, and I had a beautiful experience. Every day I were I woke up every single day, and I just embraced every moment of the day. It was and it was so easy. There was no effort to it. And I wasn't doing a lot, you know. I was just swimming and reading and walking on the beach and and doing all sorts of not all sorts of, but things like that, very easygoing. And then I I it was like the rubber hit the road. I came home and and geez, I don't know, the shit hit the fan. It's like everything just is feels so uh not fun. Like I'm not having fun anymore. And it went from that to this, and and like this is how I feel most of the time. And so it's that's just one thing. And when you were talking about um ways of being with people, like and not not getting angry and and and not talking, not bullying people, uh, not criticizing and all those things that you said. And and here I thought, wow, how is he how does he do that? And then you afterwards you said, well, you know, it's taking me years to do this. And so I okay. So there's many things I feel like I feel like my spirit just wants to uh grow into what it's meant to be. And when I came back, it's like I I I got lost a bit in that. I I don't know the challenges, or I didn't have any challenges when I was there. And now I've got the challenges, and so how am I dealing with those challenges? And uh oh darn it, I don't really want to um deal with them, frankly. But I know that's part of my growth. So that's sorry, I think somebody's at the door. I just have to let my dog up. I mean I feel it's like it's sort of like this hovering. I I'm still there, all all that that beauty is still there, I feel it. And I can when I when I have my moments alone, I can feel it right away. But it's like everything that I have to do, all the all of the logistical things in life, and there seems to be so many of them. It's like, wow, is this my life now? Like, is this really what it is? And that was just a little fantasy trip that I had. So that's some of the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:38

What challenges you most in life right now? What's one of the challenges you're going through? Finances, relationships, people, professions.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:54

I guess relationship, my relationship is always a challenge. Um you know, not to criticize, not to try and control, and uh not to be reactive and not to get triggered. I I I'm very easily triggered by my spouse, very easily triggered. So and then I get down on myself about it, and I think, well, you know, come on, you you you've been doing this for so long, huh? Why are you still in the same place? Like you just keep falling back into this, falling back into this. So that's one thing, and um, and then I guess I just want my life to be simpler, and I don't know how to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:41

You don't know how, or you you lack the courage or the faith to make changes. That could be that was always that was true about me. That I would I knew, I would use the words I know, I know how to make changes in my life, but I lacked the faith and the courage to do so, and the mental tactic of fear would often have a big play in it and talk me out of something that spiritually was going to make me happy, and so that's why I asked you that. Yeah, usually, usually it was like the faith, the courage, the assertiveness to move in a direction where I'm putting my spirit or myself first, or pointing me in a direction where I didn't settle for a low standard of love in my life, that I no longer was gonna settle for that. That means I had to be assertive, show faith, and encourage in a direction that a higher standard of love is going to be something that I want to walk into. And sometimes sometimes it's not one or the other. Like when sometimes with choices we go, well, like say for people, either I'm not with this person anymore or I am going to be with this person. Very often I was never guided that there was a middle ground. That middle ground was something that I could choose where I really wasn't making a decision, I was letting life unfold by confronting someone else and say, here's the truth. Tell me what you sense, tell me your insight about this, and watching how the person reacted. If the person reacted with anger, or I was foolish, or started pointing fingers at me, or started blaming me, that's how I knew it was a low standard of life, of love. If the person was really loving, they would have listened and said, nope, it's hard for me to admit this, but a lot of what you're saying about me is true. And a lot of a lot of what you're saying about you, I've never heard before. And maybe because I don't listen well enough, if I say that I love you, maybe I so that conversation can take place. I never knew that. It was always, oh, things aren't working out the way I want, therefore I'm leaving. Or or or threatening someone, but there was a better way. So, Lily, do you have any insight?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:55

Well, I'd like to share something. Thank you, Rich, and thank you, Constance, because I was hoping you're gonna bring that up today because Constance and I did have a chat yesterday. I did something different yesterday that I have not done in a long time, and it didn't come from me. It I was just started writing it. You all know how much I love Bali, and Bali is my life, it has been for 23 years, and I would gladly move here in a heartbeat. John will say to me, and you all know I've been married now for 51 years. Well, what about the grandkids? And I'll say, John, don't use the grandkids as a carrot, I'll just come back here every three months, I'll come back to Canada every three months. The reason I continually go back is because of my relationship with John. Now, some of you have also heard me say that John has Asperger, so he has a very difficult time when it comes to expressing his love. I know I'm deeply loved. That I know. No word. He's service-oriented, action, royal, etc. But the other day when I was talking to him, I became very agitated. So after our conversation, I sat down and I wrote him a love letter. And I've never done that in so long. I apologized that I was agitated. Could have been that I wasn't feeling well for whatever reason, but I did say this to him. You know my love for Bali, but I love you more, so I will be coming back home. Because his poor guy doesn't know from one month to the next if I'll stay here for the rest of my life or not, because he knows how much I love this place. And if I said to John, John, I'm gonna live in Bali and I'll come back here every three months, he'd be fine with that. He has no interest in living here. He doesn't like the heat, he doesn't like the food, and he definitely doesn't like the 25-hour flights. But I wrote him this love letter and I explained to him that I will be going home because I love him more than I love Bali, and I recognized that as I was writing it, and I could cry talking about it because again, I was just guided to write this. It wasn't a thought, it was just something I I did. For the first time in a long time, he wrote me back the most beautiful letter, and for the first time in a long time, I'm excited now about going back to Canada because once in a while I will time travel into the future and think, oh god, I gotta leave here the first of April, and then I'll catch myself and I'll come back in and I'll look, I'll hear the birds, and I'll watch the gardener, and I'll bring myself into the moment of being present. But the reality is that I will be going back to Canada. I could do so much more work actually here, and I that's but that's another story. But the moral of this, Constance, is I did something different, and he responded differently. So now, yes, I'll be like you when I go home. There's gonna be all these other things that are happening and and going on, but that love letter is gonna carry me through whatever it is that starts to unfold when I get home because it's still called life. There are still issues, there's still responsibilities, there's still things that need to be dealt with on a day-to-day basis. I can't, I won't be sitting there being served coffee whenever I want, whenever I want, like a spoilt brat. However, and I say I'm a spoiled brat, but it takes guts and courage for me to get here year after year after year, and to give my heart to this place, and for it to be open, and for me to be open enough that it gives me back what I need. So what I don't get at home, I get through you, or I get here. Spirit allows me to embrace whatever spirit gives me, and that letter was a nugget that I will forever tuck into my heart. So it was just something new that I tried. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:10

You know, something I want to compliment Lily on what she was saying and what we're talking about is something I learned. Your spiritual presence is the most important thing. It's not it's not what you speak, it's not your actions, it's your actual presence. When your presence, your your spirit, the spiritual side of you, that presence, that intelligence shifts forward to the front of your life more and more often. The words, the mannerisms, your the level of love, the level of wisdom shines more often in your life. People recognize that when people recognize a change in your words, a change of your insight, you're wiser, you're calmer all the time, you give up pursuing your mental wants and your mental desires. You give up, you're practicing giving up how you want people to be. Not because you're telling them, just because naturally they recognize some kind of change. Your presence is what creates the experience with other people as you grow and evolve yourself, people will start to have more of respect on how you respond to personal moments of adversity, how often you keep yourself calm, how you deliver your words aligned with a sincere gesture of love, which is a sincere gesture of help. You practice giving up trying to control other people and their life. You give up that responsibility of doing so. There's an attraction that people start to have towards you. You start to create an experience of love that otherwise you wouldn't. You weren't. That's what I did to myself. The way I was taught by my parents and society and religion was to think all the time. When I stopped thinking, when I shifted and my spirit shifted to the forefront of my life, the alignment with love in my Actions, my presence, my words started happening more often. That is a power, it's a healing power that creates an experience of togetherness, of unity, of harmony in everything that I did. People start to recognize it, not because they're trying to, only because they're a spirit. And that's the way God set it all up to begin with. So what you're doing, Constance, is that just by listening, just keep on changing yourself. Create an experience where people in your life, whether it be someone you're close to or not, they're going to see a change in you're no longer triggered the way you used to. And the way we stop our triggering, say in a moment, we're being sucked into a conversation, one of the ways I've learned is I practice not aligning myself with my mental wants. I no longer wanted to change people. I no longer wanted to change a situation. I gave that responsibility to God, to a higher power, and said, if you want to change them, if they're your child, if they're your spiritual image, then that's a responsibility you never gave me. That's your responsibility. I just let everybody find their own way. I waited until my words grew in a wisdom where people just naturally would seek my insight. I didn't have to go to them anymore and tell them how to change their life. They were like, no, I want your insight. I never had that before. So all the years of trying to control a situation in people, what I was really saying is I don't have the wisdom to give you good insight that you respect.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:45

So I have a question.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:47

How do you it's an it's a it's an automatic reflect reaction? It's it's it's something that just happens. It it's um it's organic, you know, and I can feel like uh tension in my body, and then the words come out like it's there's something happening, like so. How do I uh relax and not let that happen the way and do what you are saying? It's give it you know to the spirit to look after things. It's easy to say that, but how do you actually do it?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:25

Called the will of your spirit, your willfulness. You have a weak your spiritual will, which is your spiritual strength to align yourself with love, is weak. That was me. I had to speak the truth about myself. If you want to see the level of strength the that your spiritual will has, put yourself in a state of peace and see how long you can hold on to it for. If you find yourself thinking after a minute or two minutes or three minutes, it's because your spirit doesn't have the strength to hold on to being in a state of peace. Your brain took back over. When when people meditate, what you're actually doing is you're putting yourself back in harmony. So our spirit is placed in harmony with the physical part of us, including our thinking. That harmony requires our thinking to be completely quiet, and then our spirit is able to work with it in unity. So whenever you have a spiritual vision, it's because your brain is quiet and your spirit can create a vision inside of your head. So anytime somebody talks about a third eye up here, that's what they're referring to. Or when you talk about your mind, your mental thinking isn't your visual mind. Your visual mind is created when you're in a state where your brain is completely quiet, your spirit is back in harmony with it, and the intelligence of your spirit and the abilities of your spirit are talking to gurus or angels or God or people in spirit, and as long as your brain is quiet, the blackboard is open. It's completely, there's nothing in it, there's no chaos on the blackboard, and it creates an image. When you come out of that harmony and you think all the time, that's when that's when you remove yourself from your oneness. You remove yourself from that unity. You're doing life on your own again. You're saying, I want to gain control over things, and you shift away from it. So, what you're doing, Constance, when you do it, change your goals in life. Your goal is to move forward, grow the will of your spirit to stay in a state of peace. And when your brain kind of kicks in and says, Yeah, but I want to control this and control that, going, that's no longer my goal. I'm not listening to you anymore. Start to acknowledge it's separate than you. And then the longer you put yourself in a state of peace, the more quiet your brain is, you're gonna start mastering yourself. That's what you want to learn to do. You want to master the harmony that you can only temporarily put yourself into. You want to grow the length of time. We were always intended to stay in balance when we live our life. We're taught at an early age just to think and to listen to our thinking. Even scientists do it. It's all nonsense. And so, even people on higher up, the president, the law enforcement officers, people that make a lot of money, there's a goal to make a lot of money. That means there's a competition. That means you're about to do be greedy. That means you're about to cheat, you're about to lie, you're about to corrupt. All this stuff comes into play to accomplish the goal of gaining money or being better than other people. You're gonna give up that competition. You're gonna give up that goal. You want to be in unity with someone. You're not trying to change people anymore, you're giving that responsibility to God and a higher power. You're saying, I'm a spirit, I didn't create your spirit, I'm not gonna interfere with you learning to be more than God on yourself, and then you grow yourself. And you practice this state of peace, this willfulness, not to take on responsibilities. You were never given the power to control other people. Get away from it all. Encourage people, empower people, they have they can find their own answers. As you seek, as you go to this, what we're doing here today, and you get this insight, this enlightenment, and you start to practice it, people will naturally start to come towards you because your words are going to change. One of the biggest things I learned is that nobody talks about publicly about their spirit. It's like, oh, we can't do it because other people aren't going to approve or be accepted. I gave up that responsibility of trying to be accepted by other people. I gave it up. I gave up the responsibility of trying to be recognized by other people. When I did that, more people recognized me and more people accepted me. Because I went back to just myself being aligned with love all the time, and that's what people are accepting. People accept someone who speaks and their actions and their goals and their mannerisms are aligned with love because they're a spirit, and that's all we have to do. But it's a practice every single day. Yep. You'll see people start coming to you. Everything will change because when your presence, your spiritual presence starts to evolve, it starts to mature, your levels of wisdom and love start to rise all the time. You give up trying to control life, the responsibility of controlling, when you give all that up and you go back to the light that you were always intended to focus on, which is just your own, people start coming towards you. They start recognizing that you're different, that you're better, you're more improved, you're more acknowledged. And then everything gets healed when people start asking you for insight, and you're saying, This is how I healed myself. And then you educate them, your words will be Let me just tell you, I'm a spirit, I'm an intelligence. You're going to see that, you're going to see that we always know the loving thing to do for ourselves. Our brain is going to create a mental fear not to follow that, not to follow that insight. And you're going to explain to people something that's true about themselves. And you're going to consider to be wise.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:21

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:22

Yeah, absolutely. Go empower yourself, just focus on growing yourself. Give up responsibilities you were never given before. You were never given the power, or you were never given the ability to have. And give it all up and watch how your life shifts. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:40

Great. I needed to hear that. Absolutely. Not from myself, but from you.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:47

Yep. Thank you. Yeah. And I only share what I've learned from myself, what I've seen evidence and proof in my own life. And what I do, I demonstrate. Like before we did the event today, there was a medium ship for people that came in late. Um, Julie, I would end up end up talking to her mom, and she gave details about her death and you know, names and messages, and the people that were here witnessed it all. That's the proof that you're looking for that you can actually talk to people on the other side. And that includes God, angels, higher wisdom, people in the spirit. That's what you're looking for. You're looking for your own ability to get to that level. When you can do that, then you can convince people I can also talk to God, I can also talk to angels, I can see because it's all the same communication, and people will have a respect for it. Yep. Don't put limitations on yourself on a spiritual level. Physical, yes, you have limitations compared to other people, not, but not spiritual. Everything you see me do, you can do much more.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:50

Can I ask you one thing before Yeah, of course. Um I I've been thinking a lot about my mom, and I just wonder if you can just if the if she has an any message for me, because she seems to be filtering in somehow.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:10

I don't have her right now, and it probably because it's me, because I'm you know a little bit drained or a little bit tired, but we'll see if she comes through in the future through me. She's probably trying to reach me and I just can't do it, but yeah, in the future. Also to write down whatever you're receiving and show faith in it. Yeah. And so I know you want to hear from other people, you know, because I don't know you and I don't know, you know, any details about your mom and stuff. But in the meantime, like if we when we do this again, if you come back, um, we'll see if your mom comes through. But in the meantime, please write them down. Please empower yourself because you're receiving messages that if we don't write them down, we're saying, I really don't have faith in you. Write them down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:58

Okay, Rich, thank you so much. This will be a good exercise for each and every one of us for the next month, uh, day to day, moment by moment, to find that peace in any chaos that we feel we may be in. Uh, we have one more question, Rich, before we close, and that's from Sylvie. Sylvie, I'll ask you to unmute. We're getting ready to close in a few moments.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:27

Okay, finally I was able to do it. It's my problem with my phone. I just have maybe a word question. You know, you said we need to surrender. Yeah, I need to surrender and I need help. What have I been doing the last two weeks? I believe in the Virgin Mary, I believe in God. Uh I had some candle to be burned at some sanctuary. One in France, another one in France again, the same place. And I'm trying to get another one that went back home, but I cannot connect with them. Something's happening, what to pay it. The thing when we do this, we surrender because we need help, they will help us, or we just trying to catch ourselves like a branch or something. Maybe that's what I'm doing, also, because I need help or something. And I believe and I've been praying, I'm trying to find the earth to help myself, but right now I'm a bit um I'm a bit tired and a bit uh I would say discouraged in some way. Uh but I have faith, I have a lot of faith that things will come, except I don't know when. And I've been a bit impatient because right now it's getting kind of urgent. So that's why I did those weird things, maybe for some people, but I believe a lot, and I believe in the Virgin Mary because she did something the Tadamti Cap and Tu Avia, she did something when I was a baby with my dad for me. So for me, I have faith that something will be resolved and that will that my help. So I know it's not completely spiritual stage or something. It isn't, it is not, you know what I mean. Just uh I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to find my answer, I'm trying to find my help, and trying to find and trying to work on myself, but right now I'm I'm really terror physically and mentally. I really, really are. And I'm in pain for the last two months. I've been pain in my shoulder and up and vaccine and I'm pain. I get up in the morning, I'm in pain, I go to bed, I'm in pain, doing today, I'm in pain. It's not going away, so that's not helping.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:01

So I know. Well, you know, my first um feeling is and my dad was his death addressed away yesterday, so I'm emotional.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:21

So yeah, well, yes, Sylvie, we understand that, my love, and thank you for being here. And this will sound um a little off perhaps, but anytime we are anywhere is exactly where we need to be at any given moment, and that's a really hard pill to swallow. And I understand that. We have what we call these sacred contracts, we have this karma that we are living through day by day by day. And find you know, what Rich was saying earlier about finding the peace in your chaos is what's going to be important for you now. We can't, I can't, I can only speak for myself, keep wishing or hoping for anything. I just have to believe that where I'm at is where I need to be, whether whatever pain, whatever chaos it is in that moment, knowing that I have faith that something else is coming towards me because I have that faith, yeah, without going into the mind of despair, because the mind of despair will just pull us down deeper and deeper. But Rich, I'll get you to answer this for her because I yes, I know you do, Sylvie. I realize that, but it's it's a tricky one when we are when we're not just surrendering, it's a tough one to surrender when you're in physical pain. I know all about that. It's a tough one to grieve your child that has committed suicide, it's a tough one to grieve anything that's coming up within our lives day to day, but we have to understand that these are the tiny gifts that we are given, even the pain is the tiny gifts that I've been given. I can't speak for everyone, to understand that I am never alone, that spirit is always with me and guiding me through whatever it is that I have to bear witness to. And it's rough to understand that, but this is the human nature side of us. We're not, we are spiritual mental body, but we still have our body on this planet earth that we go through, and and you're doing it eloquently and beautifully, Sylvie. I don't know of anyone that keeps showing up and working as hard as you do, and that's all that's required and needed for today.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:54

I have a fear of a fear of something. I I cannot talk too many people, but I have a fear of something. That's why I'm doing all those weird things for some people. I need to do this to get the help from a bob.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:12

You're being helped, you're being helped. I'll let uh Rich talk now, Sylvie, and I'll get thank you. Thank you, Lily. I'm sorry. Please never apologize for being who you are. I will never apologize for being who I am, and I don't expect that from you, my darling, ever.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:37

Lily, I don't I don't have um I is there a question that she has that Sylvie, do you have a question or something about you know something that some something that doesn't sit right with you? Or you're just saying that life's not unfolding the way you want?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:55

Something is happening in my life right now. I'm not did I didn't do everything that I should have done. Yeah, and I am in a shitty place. Was it that? I'm sorry if I speak like that, and I'm uh I'm afraid. That's why I'm trying to get the help from above and and give me the courage to do a f that something I need to do, and that's and I'm so overwhelmed that I don't know how to start also, and I need to do it before it's too late.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:28

And you have us to help you, prayer work, yeah. And uh ask for our help, and we will deliver.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:36

And uh, I've been I've been fighting that that pain for two months, and I said the other day, I said I need to do something because the doctor keeps telling me, take ad will, take teleno, take ad will, take teleno. And I'm sorry, but I admit that yeah, but it's not as it should be. So I'm going to keep punctual, that will release a few things, and I'm getting help from believing into it.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:06

So okay, so Rich, I'm going to get ready to close this off right now. But Sylvie, I'm gonna ask that you stay on with us afterwards if you wish, okay, and we can talk further through this with you. Thank you, my love, because we're getting ready to close. And first of all, to all of you in this room tonight, and to those of you that are listening to our podcast, we are now coming to our time together to an end, but it's not the end of this conversation because what was shared here today doesn't end with this podcast, it continues within you, within us, in our thoughts, our choices, and most importantly, into our spiritual awareness. Remember, we are never without guidance, we are never without connection, and we are never walking this path alone, Sylvie. Rich and I thank you for showing up, for keeping your hearts open, your questions ready, and your spirit willing. Take what resonates, but please leave the rest and trust that whatever stays with you was meant just for you. So until next time, stay present, stay curious, and most of all, please stay connected to the truth of who you are. So, with love from Rich and Lily and all of our participants tonight. Have a wonderful day and a wonderful month and a joyful life filled with possibilities.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:55

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:57

Take care, everyone.