Lead with Swagger
Lead with Swagger, hosted by Jennifer Sukalo, is your go-to podcast for bold, purposeful leadership and personal transformation. Whether you're fresh out of school, navigating a midlife pivot, or completely reinventing yourself, this show is your invitation to lead with confidence, clarity, and unapologetic authenticity.
Jennifer—an executive coach, TEDx speaker, and award-winning author with over 30 years of experience—has helped more than 50,000 leaders around the world unlock their potential. Her unique approach blends behavioral science, real-world insight, and practical, doable strategies that empower you to lead your career, your business, and your life with intention.
Each episode delivers compelling conversations, actionable tools, and transformative wisdom to help you break free from fear and self-doubt—and instead lead with clarity, courage, and yes, swagger.
This isn’t just about success. It’s about fulfillment, alignment, and becoming the most powerful version of yourself.
The question is: Are you ready to lead?
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#77 | The Curveball You Didn’t Order: Why Life’s Biggest Disruptions Might Be Your Greatest Gifts
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Everything is going great. You've found your rhythm. Your routines are working. Life feels good.
Then suddenly...
A text. A phone call. A diagnosis. A loss. A move. A divorce. A decision you never saw coming.
Just like that, everything changes.
In this deeply personal episode of Lead with Swagger, Jennifer Sukalo shares the unexpected news she received while fly fishing in the Bahamas and the powerful lesson it revealed about life's biggest disruptions. Through stories of loss, resilience, personal growth, and unexpected transitions, Jennifer explores why the moments we resist most often become the moments that shape us most.
If you're navigating change, grieving an ending, facing uncertainty, or wondering why life keeps shaking things up when everything seemed perfectly fine, this conversation will challenge you to see things differently.
Because sometimes the interruption isn't a setback.
Sometimes it's an invitation.
An invitation to grow.
An invitation to evolve.
An invitation to become the person you're capable of being.
If life has thrown you a curveball lately, this episode is for you.
Have you ever had that experience where everything is just humming along? You're in the groove, life is working, your routines are dialed in. You finally figured out what meal prep containers don't leak in your bag. You're drinking enough water. You're remembering birthdays. You're basically one color-coded calendar away from being a motivational poster. And then, pow, life throws you a curveball so unexpected. It feels like it came from another stadium. A phone call, a text message, a diagnosis, a move, a loss, a divorce, a layoff, a sudden change in plans, and in an instant, everything shifts. Your carefully constructed reality gets shaken like a snow globe. And what's the first thing most of us think? Seriously? Or maybe, why now? Or my personal favorite, I was doing so well. Welcome back to Lead with Swagger, the podcast where we get real, raw, and ridiculously honest about what it takes to lead with confidence, authenticity, and a whole lot of heart. I'm your host, Jennifer Socalo, and today we're talking about something none of us particularly enjoy, but all of us experience unexpected change, the pivots, the disruptions, the plot twists, the moments that make us look up and ask the universe, was this really necessary? Because change requires effort. It's work. It stretches us, it challenges us, it forces us outside our comfort zones. And if we're being honest, most of us would prefer growth to arrive wrapped in a spa day and a winning lottery ticket. Unfortunately, growth usually arrives carrying a sledgehammer. Here's what I've come to realize, though. What if we've been looking at these moments all wrong? What if instead of viewing them as something to survive, we viewed them as something that arrived to serve us? What if these disruptions aren't detours? What if they're invitations? Invitations to grow, to evolve, to become, to level up. Because when I look back at my life, every major pivot that I initially resisted eventually became one of the greatest gifts I've ever received. Not because it was easy, not because it was fun, not because I wanted it, but because it changed me. It expanded me. It showed me strengths I didn't know I had. And that realization hit me recently while I was sitting poolside in the Bahamas. Now let's pause and really appreciate how rude timing can be. There I was sitting peacefully after a morning of fly fishing, just taking it all in. Beautiful weather, ocean breeze, tropical drink in hand, living my best island life. And then I made the mistake of picking up my phone. I opened a text message. The owners of the farm where my horses are boarded planned to sell the property. Just like that. My heart dropped. You see, I love where my horses are. The care, the training, the people, the environment, everything about it. My horses have flourished there. And honestly, so have I. My horsemanship, my riding, my leadership, my confidence. The relationship I've built with my horses is something I once only dreamed about. The bond we've created is priceless. And suddenly, suddenly all of that felt uncertain. So naturally, I finished my cocktail a little faster than intended and considered ordering another for emotional support. But before my brain could create 17 catastrophic future scenarios and let's say cast them all into a Netflix mini-series, I stopped myself. I took a breath. I quieted the noise. And I said out loud, okay, God, I trust your plan for me and for the horses. Not because I knew what was coming, not because I liked what was happening, but because experience has taught me something very important. Every major disruption in my life has eventually led to growth. Every single one. Sometimes growth disguised itself as heartbreak. Sometimes it arrived dressed as disappointment. Sometimes it showed up looking suspiciously like disaster. But eventually I realized it had come to teach me something. You know those rumble strips on the side of the highway? The grooves that make your car shake when you get too close to the edge, they're annoying. They're loud, they're disruptive, but they're designed to wake you up in case you're getting a little drowsy on the road. To get your attention to keep you from continuing down a path unconsciously. I think life's unexpected changes often serve the same purpose. Wake up, pay attention. Something new is trying to emerge. Sometimes we become so comfortable that we stop growing. Not because we're lazy, but because comfort is seductive. Comfort tells us we're fine, exactly where we are. Comfort says, stay here. Don't risk anything. Don't shake things up. Don't make it harder. But growth, growth whispers something very different. Growth says, there's more. You've learned what you needed to learn here. Now it's time for the next lesson. When I look back at my own life, some of my biggest wake-up calls include my sister's death, wake up call, my divorce, wake up call, an eviction notice, wake up call. And these moments, these are moments I would never have chosen. Moments I certainly didn't celebrate while they were happening, but moments that fundamentally changed who I became. They forced me to grow in ways comfort never could. And maybe I have a little extra practice with change because I grew up in a military family. Every two to four years, we'd move. No discussion, no committee meeting, no voting process, no, but mom, all my friends are here. Nope. You packed your stuff, you said goodbye, and you started over again. At the time, not exactly my favorite hobby, but looking back, what a gift. Every move taught me resilience. Every move taught me adaptability. Every move taught me how to walk into unfamiliar territory and figure things out. Every move strengthened my belief that I could survive change and eventually thrive because of it. And that's what I'd like you to remember today. Maybe this thing happening in your life right now isn't a punishment. Maybe it isn't a setback. Maybe it isn't evidence that everything is falling apart. Maybe it's evidence that something is ready to grow. Maybe you've graduated. Think about that. What if these transitions are actually graduations? What if life is saying you've mastered what you needed to learn here? It's time for the next level. It's time for a bigger classroom. It's time for a new challenge. It's time for more. Because every meaningful chapter eventually ends, not because it failed, but because it fulfilled its purpose. And when we can see change through that lens, something shifts. Fear starts losing its grip. Curiosity takes its place. Possibility enters the conversation. Instead of asking, why is this happening to me? We begin asking, what is this trying to teach me? Instead of resisting, we become receptive. Instead of surviving, we start growing. And that brings me to this week's swagger challenge. Step one. I'd like you to identify one change happening in your life right now, big or small. Maybe it's a transition, a disappointment, a decision, an ending, a beginning, something you've been resisting. Step two. Now ask yourself three questions. What if this is happening for me rather than to me? What might I be learning right now? Who might I become because of this experience? Write your answers down, sit with them, reflect on them, and see what emerges. Step three. Create your mantra and say it to yourself out loud as often as possible. You can try something like the following: I trust the process and I embrace the learning. I encourage you to say this to yourself frequently. If this doesn't resonate, then use your own words. Make it your own. You see, growth doesn't always arrive wrapped in excitement. Sometimes it arrives disguised as uncertainty. And one final thing before we go. Not because you're perfect, not because you're fearless. I'm proud of you because you're here. You're listening. You're learning. You're doing the work. You're choosing growth when comfort would be oh so much easier. And that matters more than you know. I often like to think of people as seeds. You know, from the outside, a seed might look small and ordinary, but hidden inside is an entire garden waiting for the right conditions to emerge. That's you. You carry far more potential than you can currently see. More strength, more courage, more resilience, more brilliance. And I hope you never stop discovering what's possible when you trust yourself enough to keep going. I believe in you. Not because of who you've been, not because of what you've accomplished, but because of who you're still becoming. And that story, it's far from finished. Now, if this episode resonated with you, here's my, let's say, unconventional request. Don't just share the podcast. Share the conversation. Send this episode to one person and say, you know, I thought of you when I heard this. That's it. Just one human reminding another human that they're not alone in whatever change they're navigating. Because those conversations create ripples and ripples create waves. Thank you for spending this time with me today. Until next time, keep showing up, keep growing, keep trusting the process, and most importantly, keep leading with swagger.