David Regal Jones - A Journey of Resilience, Faith, and Purpose

David Regal Jones is a man whose life reflects resilience, faith, and purpose. Growing up amid harsh adversities, he developed a strong sense of discipline and determination that would shape his future. From a young age, he showed a deep passion for music, aspiring to make a meaningful impact in the industry through his creative expression.

During his high school years, David pursued fundamental business studies—an investment that later proved valuable in his professional journey as a Financial Advisor. In 2008, he made a life-changing decision to dedicate his life to the Lord, eventually becoming an ordained minister. His spiritual commitment became a guiding force, influencing both his personal and professional paths.

Alongside his ministry, David continued to nurture his love for music, using rap as a platform to inspire and uplift others. He also authored the book Fearless: Walking in the Power of Perfect Love, sharing insights rooted in faith and courage.

Today, David Regal Jones stands as a beacon of inspiration, especially to the younger generation. Through his continued involvement in music, ministry, and financial guidance, he strives to empower others. His ongoing mission is to deepen his faith and expand his financial knowledge so he can help others achieve success and live purpose-driven lives.

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SPEAKER_02 0:06

Daniel Badiglio Podcast. Welcome to the Forge by Design Podcast. This is your host, Daniel Badigio. Thank you for all your support for tuning in. Of course, you can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and our YouTube channel, Forge by Design. Today is a special event. We have a minister, an author, an artist, a financial advisor, an ordained minister, and the list can go on and on. An amazing young gentleman that uh I have learned to in recent times to embrace and what a potential and what a gift we have. We have, without further ado, Mr. David C. Jones or David Regal Jones. We're gonna talk about his name, his ministry, uh, his business, and how he has been able to impact people on the leadership realm. How are you doing today, sir? I'm amazing. I appreciate you having me today. You doing all right? I'm doing great. Uh it's it's uh we had this uh a brief conversation before the podcast, and uh I rejoice in your journey. Uh I rejoice in the the few moments that we have uh giving me a glimpse on this journey that you have embarked on, on the different seasons of your life, and how the Lord has been able to preserve you. Uh your your life could have gone so many ways on so many directions. Uh your life could have turned out to be maybe another statistic, uh another what if ministry, or what if uh this or that. But seeing how God has preserved you, anointed you, gifted you, and and has given you such talents and abilities uh to touch on many different realms, not only as an author, but also as a musician. That's a whole different audience. And now also as a speaker, I was able to hear you speak uh as well, and uh what a gift it is that uh you we are both being formed in the potter's hands, and and uh that's what I rejoice for that. So thank you uh for sharing that uh brief moment with us before before the podcast. I want to start by asking you uh can you walk us through how you went from where you started for how you end up ended up as a financial advisor uh in the Merrill Lynch uh organization?

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Man, uh that's a load of question. Um, but um my my beginnings were very humble. Um my my family in the home consisted of me, uh my brother, and my mother. And um my brother and I were like 10 years apart. So because she had to work, you know, raising us on like a uh hotel laundry room job and a credit card, ultimately my brother and I just were, you know, there a lot to do. Um not for ourselves in the sense of she not taking care of us, but he had to look out for me. And, you know, given the fact that uh both of us um having different fathers, but not having a father around, we we had to figure a lot out and ultimately made a lot of mistakes. So uh being in an environment more often than not where I was around people that were so much older than me, um, I I learned a lot. Some that I probably shouldn't have learned, you know what I mean, given the the situation, you know what I mean. I I didn't necessarily have uh Sesame Street, I kind of had boys in the hood. So uh if that gives you any indicator, but uh And you're from Cincinnati, Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Cincinnati, Ohio, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

I was I was born in uh New York and we moved to Cincinnati when I was two. Okay, two. And you were there to what age? Um I was there through high school into my early adulthood.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

So that's that's what I referenced this home. Um I moved to Atlanta in like the 21 to 22 year old range, and then I moved back for uh a little bit to regain my footing, and then I went back down in 2004 and stayed until 2008. Um was in the world at the time and um was was rapping as a solo artist inside of a crew or a clique at the time, and um we we put out something that that gained a little bit of steam, and on the strength of that, on my 21st birthday, I was able to travel down to Atlanta um and I had some opportunities to meet some people when I got to Atlanta during my birthday weekend, but because it was the weekend, not everybody was in studios, not everybody was in offices. So after meeting a few people uh through a relationship that I I formed with a lady in in Cincinnati who had a relationship with a gentleman in in Atlanta, uh that created a situation over the course of that weekend where everybody who he couldn't get me to see during that weekend or get me and the guys who were with me to see during that weekend, he was able to get some meetings the next weekend. Oh, sorry. Or the next next week. So you guys were really good then. Yeah, so uh at the time I was the only one that didn't have as much going on who could stay. And the person that we were staying with for the weekend was somebody who knew me since like two or three years old. And he was like, you know, uh, you can stay here and and uh just handle your meetings and go when you're done. But I get through these meetings during the course of that week, and you know, I ended up writing for someone, I ended up uh going to uh Evander Holyfield's home and meeting an artist that he had signed at the time, and um that house now belongs to Rick Ross. But I'm walking around that house and and just seeing these trunks of these championship fights that I watched on HBO and one thing led to another and it created a situation where I was offered a contract. But um when I read the contract, I could read and determine on my own that this wasn't an ideal situation for me because of my background in my schooling. So um after deciding that that wasn't the situation for me, I was able to keep a relationship with the people, but not necessarily be signed to them as an artist that they were managing. And uh after seeing every everything and all the relationships that were beginning to form, the person who I was uh staying with for that week was like, hey, if you want to just continue to build on this momentum, then you can just stay down here. You know, he was doing uh pretty well in this financial situation and and could allow me to, you know, stay there without demanding anything financially.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

So you were doing this full-time, were you working at the time? Uh I was working before I left. Okay, but were you working during the the recording while you were staying there, or you were just committed to writing full time there? Not initially.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

So initially uh I would uh venture to the studio with the group who had taken an interest with me. Um and then I would just do a lot of networking with him, uh the roommate that I'm speaking of. So between getting relationships uh with the people that I was I was doing music with and doing my recording with, the individual that I was uh staying with, he was an AAU coach and he had been there, even though he was from my hometown, he had been there so long that he developed all these relationships just because of the kind of guy he was. A lot of connections. So between all of those connections, I I thought it would be better for me to stay there because where I'm from, the music scene wasn't as developed in Atlanta, it was already Atlanta, but it was on the cusp of becoming what it is now. So it's Genesis State. Absolutely. Absolutely. Things were were already happening to a degree, but it's it's it's far, far gone beyond at this point.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Was was this uh writing songs? Um I I share with people that I I was one of the kids that I couldn't see a blank paper piece of paper, right? I had to write something, and I first started in the poetry and abstract uh stories, and I started uh just writing, you know, simple songs, whatnot. But it's one one thing of that was innate, maybe a a God-given gift to to just to write or express. I've never considered myself an artist, right? Uh, but uh were you one of those kids that growing up, you know, this you had this strong inclination of music, or how did you stumble into the rapping uh portion of it? So had what you what were your influences uh you know, BC?

SPEAKER_01 9:10

It's it's crazy um because my brother was a very gifted rapper, very well known around the neighborhood and eventually the city had a record deal, um traveled, uh an NBA player had signed him, you know, he's been on BT and other things like that. So like I was around rapping, the studio, and all of that since I was really tiny.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Yeah, that environment, that the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

So I was I was always fascinated with it, but I also naturally had a gift. Um my brother um was exposed to music because my older sister, when they were living in New York, had a friend whose uh brother was a DJ. So he would spend time around him and he developed the flow. And then uh she did music. She's actually married to a very well-known uh Hall of Fame uh rock, rock and roll, Hall of Fame rapper. So you know, if I said the name, you'll probably know who who my sister and and my brother-in-law are. But he grew up with it around her, and then when I was born, I was around him because he was already involved, and uh he would tell this took you through all throughout high school, and and you were uh did you sing and through high school?

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Were you singing elementary school?

SPEAKER_01 10:30

I was I was writing music in elementary school, and then like we would have these football games at our high school, and there would be these big ciphers in the middle of the high school games, and like as high schoolers and growing men rapping in these ciphers, I'm like 10, 11 years old. They're coming to get me from playing killer man over on the side with the with the boys that are my age football. Um, I don't know if they played, they called it that where you guys are from, but but yeah, that we were playing that game and they would pull me out of those situations to come and rap, and I'm this 10, 11-year-old kid that's that's standing on his own with like grown men. So I was I was known growing up as that person who who was very gifted in that space, but I was always a natural writer, like I can write about anything. Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

So you you're writing uh for other people, you're in the studio, you're staying there. Uh how does that progress? Because you you're a young man. So how where did finance come in that play? I mean, from from music, uh uh a prospect, uh still writing, uh still expressing around the right, I would think, the right connections, right studio, uh, and the genesis or the the birth of uh movement in Atlanta, musically speaking. Um how does where does finance come into all that?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Very, very much further down the line and after God. So in in high school, I was one of those kids who hung and lived around the toughest kids in school, but I had classes with the most gifted. Like I was in all advanced classes and I didn't always apply myself, but like I I was very gifted scholastically to the point where I didn't have to try, and that was a a gift and a curse because it choked work that work ethic in some instances.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

But you waited to the last minute to study to take the test, but you still passed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

All right. So uh in 11th grade, I was given this opportunity to take this um vocation called marketing education, and the marketing education was uh for 11, 11th grade, and 12th grade, and it was almost like uh an associates type of situation because it was concentrated, but within the class was a club called DECA. And we not only had the classroom training, but there were these events where um you competed at a district level, a state level, and then potentially a national level. In finance or marketing, not finance, but it was like business. Like business. So depending on what type of event you would do, uh, some of the events that I did would be where I would come to a district event, it would be me competing against 60 to 100 kids, and uh they would give you in that moment a a um scenario. And let's say, for instance, the scenario is a rundown of a a restaurant situation, they would have you read the scenario, pick it apart, and then come back and present to the judges what you would do as the owner of that business in that situation, and then paired with that, you had an actual test that you had to take. So between the two situations, that would create uh uh a score, and the top ten or you know, the top five to ten would go from district to state. So I made it as far as state.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

So using business principles, using technique, how can I flip this business, make it profitable, get some return on investment, level out uh, or maybe adjust whatever profit margins, and you present that, and then it you would move forward to the what went from district to state to national?

SPEAKER_01 14:24

No, I didn't make it to national, but my senior year, I was able to make it to state, and I was able to to score pretty high in that particular situation. How did you feel?

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Because I'm thinking here, the I don't want to use uh the term, you had the the hardcore rapper, right? Uh in the studio, you know, you put on your your persona. Uh I guess the name Regal comes from that. That's your artistic name. Now that's that's the name that came after God. Okay, after God. So uh what was did you have a stage name uh before BC? All right, if you will if you don't understand, that's fun.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

I think it's actually on my honor. But uh my brother, when I was very young, just because he saw the gift, sure, uh, we were watching this this movie called Wild Style, and there was Wild Staff. Wild Wild Style. Oh Wild Style, okay. And it was like a breakdancing b-boy rap movie from like the 80s. Okay. And uh there was a guy named Charlie Chase that was in the movie, and because my middle name was Charles, he started calling me Charlie Chase and Chase, and and that became the persona that I used throughout the BC days. And and in school, yeah, it was gifted, it was innocent, it was raps about girls, it was raps about being the best rapper. Absolutely. But then after school, uh once the business thing came into play and I had all of those uh understandings, absolutely that business acumen and those things that I learned got used the wrong way to read between the lines.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

So that's that's uh that's fascinating to have this so the Chase persona, the like I said, the hardcore rapper, because that's that's a different uh ambience, a different audience, a different business. And then and then you you have also now the foundation of the the economic realm, which uh puts you more centered, I would say, uh more aligned probably with with life, uh maybe with about what is my future hold, uh reviewing contracts, like you know, you say you uh reviewing a contract. And and uh accelerate this for me. So how you in 2000 you went through this, what you were at the a peak of music, and then you decided to take a pivot toward uh toward uh in 2009 uh eight or nine toward now not BC but now acceptance.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

So um I I in 2004, between 2004 and 2008, okay. Uh I was in Atlanta for the sake of music, but being in that environment and not being from that city, I was outside of the element that Charlie Chase was using as an identity to be able to create hardcore rap because I could rap about it from the experience, the experiences that were around me, the the experiences of other people that I was I was really closely connected with because I understood it and I experienced a lot. Uh but I wasn't in the environment that that required me to be that. So uh growing up going to church, even though I wasn't around a lot of influence, when when certain things started to happen, I started to gravitate back towards spirituality and eventually started going to church. So there was this this uh tug of war that began because God started courting me at that particular point. And the world's trying to pull you back into, you know, and and presenting me opportunities to be very successful. I I won't lie to you, if I never would have left that world for the kingdom, I I don't doubt that I would be successful because a lot of the things that I was involved in and situations that I was around that actually turned into something pretty significant, like I I wouldn't I would have been right there with them because I had those types of relationships. And uh we don't have a whole hour to talk about some of the things that I've done and some of the things that I've been around, but like I was around things that like are are very, very successful right now, and um I I had the attention of people who could have made me really successful. But one day I was uh he had dried everything up, and after he dried everything up for me, I I I know now it was the Holy Spirit, but back then I didn't have the relationship to say it. But I applied for a job at Delta hoping that I can get into the call center in Atlanta so that I could actually fly around and network for the sake of the career I was pursuing. And it ended up being a situation where I didn't get the job in Atlanta, but this one day I'm in in the library and I can't understand why I'm feeling compelled to apply in Cincinnati. But I applied in Cincinnati and they responded right away. I I felt like if I would have left, I would have ran away from my dream. So I didn't actually go and do the assessment for a few weeks. And once I finally told my roommate what was going on, he told me I should do it. You know, go home, get the job, move back down here with flight benefits, and then that just helps your whole situation. But um I get the job and I I move home and the Lord speaks to me on on the Greyhound home and says, When you get home, you're going to run into a trap. I get home, and lo and behold, I go into an old neighborhood bar, and I was offered the opportunity to make a business illegally out of a ton of stuff that could have got me got me a nice amount of time. And heard the Holy Spirit clear as day said there's the trap. Yeah. And I told him.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

I see how God was uh uh preserving you. We use the words preserved, He had greater purposes for you.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Absolutely. So, you know, I said no. I told him I was focused on music, gave him a CD. But how it ended up uh going the direction of uh finance eventually, you know, I got saved. Um I gave my life to God. I didn't know if I wanted to rap because I didn't know what rapping looked like being saved, but he he he decided to preserve that and he said he wanted to use that. So I was doing that, but then um I got a collections job, and when I got the collections job, that's the that's not a popular job though. Yeah, and I I knew that I didn't have the heart to be who I needed to be to be an amazing collector, but um that is where the situation that that I described in the book happened. So uh after I had um decided that I didn't want to be a collector, my wife said, uh, why don't you reach out to a a friend of ours that went to our church who was a manager of a bank? She was like, You might be good at that. You know what I mean? You're good with people and you know how to sell. So I I had the conversation with this friend, and this friend um asked me a few questions um just to see if if I would be banking material, and when I answered the questions a certain way, she said you should apply.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Right. It's amazing that uh in high school, at least you you're talking about business acumen, and a lot of times we talk about uh terminology, we talk about uh you know being familiar with with uh the uh the business sense in in in in the in regard to you you may not know all the details, but you have the general idea about what an account is. or how to manage an account, how to break it down, how to flip or uh work with certain customers. And uh that was I I think was just laying the foundations to what was to come afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Absolutely. And the one thing that I can say is like throughout my life I've always been able to connect with people. And even when I was in the toughest of toughest places or even you know some of the uh places where the walk of life was totally different from the one that I grew up in. I knew how to connect and I I could understand and discern. And I didn't even realize it was a gift. It was just like I could I could get into places, understand people well enough not to uh be somebody that I wasn't but to know the person in front of me well enough to connect with them without and and gain trust. You know what I mean? So um when I got into banking I didn't know a lot about finance. I didn't come from uh a lot of financial information outside of what I learned in the business in those business courses and and those weren't necessarily financially concentrated those were just business oriented. So I understood how business ran. I understood people and I also understood how to connect and I could learn fast and I was coachable. So when I got into the role the person who brought me into it only stayed around long enough for me to get into training. They they ended up actually leaving the business but the person who came in afterwards was like if if you put in the work I'll promote you. Because very from the very moment she came in and she saw me not too long out of training she knew I knew how to talk to people so um I I've I've developed a really high level skill set in in selling uh lending and other things like that. You know I was able to train with the mortgage officers and and and then any partner that I would have even the financial advisors at the time I would sit around them and pick their brain and get to know what they're looking for sure so that I can be dangerous enough to have the conversation that could sell the sell the accounts so the portfolio whatnot. Or even sell the because at that time I wasn't an advisor it would allow me to just be dangerous enough to sell the person on meeting with the partner. I got you and then I would actually sit in the meetings with the partner and the client listening and start learning the acumen and and and and then I would I would partner what I learned in those meetings with my own research and it was it was kind of like I didn't go to college and get an MBA but I I I in real time and through my experience was able to partner real time sitting with people with uh research.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Yeah real world experience in the in the trenches you know when I think about leadership we uh that's the central theme of the podcast you know I I I hear a lot about discipline uh on on on your journey uh focus you know knowing uh when to prioritize certain things you know when to put music on pause to dedicate yourself to something that uh can give you uh an alternative uh revenue stream right music is one thing uh but maybe you were in that gray area okay I I'm still passionate about music but reality sometimes hit nothing hits as as strong as having a mortgage having a life bill water bill that that hits right and sometimes uh because when uh when I when I first started music uh this is back in the day and uh I I thought that that's what I was going to permanently do and we used to travel all the east coast singing and different venues small venues sub small events and then because I was in a band uh we had to share the the revenue right and that was not enough to cover the operational costs of hotel gasoline food and stuff like that so I knew for a fact that uh I needed um to look at my life's business model and look at myself as the product and to look at when I studied uh Jim Rohn and other uh uh leaders Les Brown and and many others uh leaders that were talking about uh business and and they kept saying you are the product and how are you going to sell what how what's your value in the marketplace so those things hit uh deep in my in my soul and my spirit and I started to do an intrinsic examination about okay if I'm the product and and I've got to go through a certain seasonality of training of education of of humility to learn to listen to apply uh you said you you did uh you were also dedicating time to do your own research your own personal education and the fruits of your labor has has paid off but it it takes a leader and that leader inside of you to really redirect and uh this was BC so not only did you have the Spirit of God right uh uh um showing you uh the way or ordaining your steps but there was also some personal maturity going on about you know the world that you left and the world that uh is being prepared and formed for you.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

That's good. That's good. I like that and I mean I wish I could say I was brilliant enough to know that like a lot of the stuff that I was doing was intentional.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

I think it for a certain season of my life it was instinctive. It was just like for me to get in these spaces I knew enough to know that some of these spaces that I were in I was in weren't weren't by chance. So let me get every bit of value out of this space that I can use to become more valuable because a lot of this information wasn't freely given through an abundance of like mentors and other things like that. So when I could catch it let me take advantage so it can get me somewhere greater than I am now because I've had many jobs and other things throughout my my childhood and young adult or you know late teens and young adult years but there was something in me that always felt like I wanted to be entrepreneurial. You know uh I I think for a season it was part rebellion who wants to work for somebody especially when you come from the background that I come from but at the same time I mean even even though it wasn't the right type of things I was doing like I was I had been an entrepreneur. So you know just in hindsight it's like uh I I guess I there was something in me that that had an understanding that I could be successful even in the seasons when it was perverted so ask you this question is that I have for you uh bridging both worlds of finance and faith uh a lot of people see finance and faith as separate worlds if we got finance and faith as separate worlds how do you personally integrate the two in your daily work your your finance and your faith or they're intertwined so two things one um even though a lot of people in the faith lead with money is the root of all evil evil perverting the scripture because it's saying the love of money is uh there's also another scripture that says money answereth all things so so understanding that proper stewardship of money versus idolatry of money can put you in a situation where you're empowered to get wealth for me especially as of late I've I've been just really staying engaged with the Lord for him to show me the proper way to to steward and also to see finances uh not from the prosperity gospel type of standpoint where where it gets where it gets kind of lost but from the standpoint of understanding that even though there's a spiritual element and a kingdom economy that we get in when we sow and reap there's also some practical wisdom that you can apply and discipline that you can apply that makes it so that your family doesn't lack anything and it really speaks to alignment for me. So so as it pertains to my personal life finances and and all of the things that that uh God has promised in his word um come more uh fluidly in our lives and they flow more freely when we become who he says we are absolutely so so where finance and faith meet is in the place where identity aligns me with God to the point where his provision is something that I can tap into uh for the sake of his glory and for the ability for me to be a man who can create legacy. But in the in the context that I work uh where faith and finances come into play is ultimately people who I meet who have that same understanding and even people who need to form that understanding about uh stewardship and leaving a legacy my role in the the world that I I work is to be able to provide people vision, provide people guidance and be a safe space for people to be able to create vision so that they can do the same things and and where I see the purpose and the duty and even the delight to be able to honor God is to become somebody that he can put into that world absolutely that has his heart for people and um I can be a safe place for people to be able to put their finances understanding that their their best heart and intentions are in play not just because we're regulated to operate in best interests as fiduciaries but because I'm convicted because I'm God's son to be able to provide God's heart.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Who counseled Noah who counseled Abraham uh Joseph these were all strategists uh job a man they were all men of wealth uh they were all men that were well connected in society uh not only because we we are told of their faith we are told of the wealth and how well they were connected and and they were in a position where they too can counsel about uh what it it doesn't use the the acumen or terminology of business per se or planning or strategic planning uh per se but we see we see that in the the legacy that they left behind and in the life that they live that they were positioned on purpose with a purpose with information and and uh you are in a position that you can enlighten people and and and what direct them to to make mature financial decisions not only to honor God but also to create some sort of stability because nowadays you know uh whether it be young rappers or young uh young athletes or artists or uh actors you name it they they come across all this millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars and because they have no financial uh advisor or no financial uh of strategy they tend tend to blow it and we see that sometimes maybe in the kingdom where people come in into abundance a season of abundance and instead of being like the ant and and saving some for the winter right uh for the winter days the uh uh they just uh splurge it they they spend it and uh they they they buy the the Cadillac and they buy this and they buy that and then when things start slowing down they're like left with with a lot of a lot of debt uh so in your experience what does true wealth actually mean beyond just money true wealth when you when you think about uh from your perspective of finance when because wealth is just a conduit it's fluid right it you know even the the the the rich the billionaires just use it as a tool just to make more wealth right stocks bonds uh you know investments whether it be real estate or other things but just because they have material possessions doesn't mean that they're wealthy.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

What does it mean to be uh true have true wealth spiritually speaking uh for me it means being able to be fulfilled because I'm properly aligned you know what I mean Jesus said to the lady at the well if you had the water that I was referring to you would drink and you won't thirst anymore. Yes. And um can't say that I've had the most money you know what I mean because I I I come from from humble beginnings but I've been around wealthy people who are miserable.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Absolutely you know what I mean so uh when I think about wealth I think about alignment I think about uh really allowing identity to form and being able to be made whole so that nothing externally can give you the fulfillment that only God can and from that place of solidarity being able to have things without them having you absolutely yes you know I come from I shared with you before the podcast I we I come from the projects Boston Massachusetts we're rival you're from New York I'm from Boston so I I sense that friction all right but I you know you know God is good you know grace you know at least I'm a new edition fan so I got I love from Boston oh you are all right all right I forgive you for that uh but you know when when I look at uh you know wealth and money whatnot were my humble beginnings and and and to see how the Lord has provided stability in my life you know uh maybe not the millions and whatnot but uh uh an education uh experience uh you you've seen uh you know my work experience and whatnot to a point where he has given us wisdom uh for the tithing and the offering uh this the sowing the reaping the uh and getting a harvest because he he has promised that I think a lot of people when they I think everybody should invest everybody when they as soon as you have a job you know started thinking about retirement a retirement plan whether it be an IRA Roth IRA a 401k or some sort of retirement plan a high yield savings you name it right just set a little a little aside because you you will benefit from that from from the future and I've gone to many uh uh venues and also churches teaching on on having a contingency plan you know and that that's that's true for for every family to to have a your savings to have a contingency plan to have a retirement fund to have that uh little uh nest for emergency money you you are gonna get a flat tire you know you are gonna need a radiator you are something's gonna happen that's gonna require a quick $500 $200 one life happens life happens and and but when it does happen you know God is great to to have provided but now it this leads me to the to the next question to be a good steward so what are some common financial mistakes you see people make and how does a faith based perspective change how we should approach money so and speaking about stewardship so God bless let's say God blesses you with uh $200,000 right now they dropped it how how are you gonna you know people how should they steward the blessing that God provides to their families first and foremost ask God yes have the conversation and then not only have the conversation because sometimes we can have these types of conversations with our own thoughts and agenda in mind and we're not honest with God about laying our agenda down and really accepting his will for whatever it is that we have absolutely yes so first and foremost you know Proverbs says acknowledge him in all your ways and he'll direct your path but acknowledging him is layered you know what I mean so not only in just asking um but seeing what the word says uh also assessing your heart and your mind you know what I mean because if you acknowledge him then if he's patient then then you'll see if you're being impatient if you're being desperate if you're being anxious. You think people should like in in my world like in in my case maybe I have a I have a bias about project planning right everything's a plan. You know I always say frustration comes from a lack of a plan. That's great. Anytime you're frustrated it's because you don't have a plan. So I I redirect that and and go not only my my why know your why you're doing things that's it but the one the what when where how with whom and how many or the have a time cycle a project cycle even if it's for small finances or long term finances. So uh to me stewardship embarks many many streams one is of course the honoring God times and offerings but also where do I invest uh you have a family I have a family you know so it's not all about us anymore right absolutely it's not about the jersey or the hat or or other things now is about you know their uh their well-being uh their necessities and whatnot so do you see a problem have you encountered problem just in general uh people just not being good stewards in the professional realm absolutely uh people blow accounts absolutely I mean I've seen people in my world uh get tons of money they make tons of money but they they don't keep money because they spend as much as they make okay yeah um honestly before I came to banking banking really taught me a lot of stuff and and and honestly started the path of redemption of me making my own mistakes from a lack of knowledge so um I've seen people who you know get into investing don't necessarily research investing blow accounts you know they take information from that they see online and they they sum up all this information and they they don't necessarily seek mentorship or or any form of guidance.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

So I mean between that and between just the desperation that that that is embedded in poverty bringing somebody to the point like you said earlier with rappers you know and anybody who comes into a large amount of money after coming from very uh tough situations uh if you're not whole in who you are you may get this money and try to prove that you're something that you've always wanted to be sure that doesn't necessarily mean the ideal identity or even your God given identity. So like poverty does such a a mind wonder that it can put you in the place where you either idolize money or when you have it you're you're so desperate that you take unnecessary risk trying to hit home runs when you could probably win the game with a nice amount of singles.

SPEAKER_02 41:46

Yes so that's one of the things in high school going back to high school that uh I'm glad that your high school did have that program for uh at least for business exposure or whatnot. But one of the things that I always say is that you know instead of giving people uh high advanced advanced calculus trigonometry whatnot why don't why don't you show them project planning uh how to run a project how to manage your finance uh how to invest whatnot uh they they would definitely graduate high school with a better mindset as far as what the world costs what things cost uh in in general and how and how to again use money as as a tool for uh a better good lives so um how do you how do you handle in finance markets that which are so unpredictable you know in life and can be uh again so uncertain how do you personally navigate stress and risk and uncertainty oh I mean right now is one of those situations where I have to have a lot of conversations with people about what's going on because there's things that we see going on in the world that impacts the economic economic climate as things continue to intensify on the geopolitical level.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

So um being able to understand uh what I see because I've been educated um I've heard you say this in other other settings becoming educated can can really be a buffer against panic because you're enlightened to what's really going on instead of uh what what appears to be happening or what's what's being said. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 43:30

You said an amazing thing. I think you know I think the sometimes world news uh uh make people panic absolutely uh the the ups and downs of the stock market make people panic uh misinformation disinformation make people panic uh but you haven't that insight you know about you know hey uh these are just you know uh natural trends perhaps on the geopolitical sense but uh you know how how do you manage that risk I mean uh just just being able to

SPEAKER_01 44:00

One go into and honestly, a lot of this is God, you know. I without going too far in the wheez, Pastor Ronda prophesied financier over me. Yes, and and then a friend of mine broke that up and said, Financeer. So ever since I've gotten into this particular world, uh, without understanding everything uh from a fundamental standpoint, the parts about the market that are based on sentiment and how people feel, I can discern those in real time, and I'll just go piggyback what I'm discerning with the facts and between all of the two in prayer, God just really shows me where we are. But I think what's what's helped me to manage stress is just understanding that God didn't give me a spirit of fear. That's right. So, you know, in my approach and walking into the room uh or my office every day, regardless of what's going on in the market, God is bigger than what's going on in the market.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

So he's seen things that we're just living eschatological times. He saw the end from the beginning, and and as as you aligned and we aligned, uh, and and part of his divine plan and strategically placed to bless people and uh uh uh educate people and so forth, we deliver them from making mistakes or from going into a panic mode, uh, because that can also lead to uh a very resentful life, spiritually, uh spiritual resentful life. But you intercept with not only uh biblical based truths, but also with a strategy, because you know I have seen anointed people that lack financial skills, musicians that can't carry a checkbook, or people that have uh uh so many talents and abilities, but they they need that mentor in their life, right? Uh there with there are many uh gifted vessels uh within the congregation, within the body of Christ, and and I I think that we all complement each other. Where I'm lacking, you're strong. Well, you're strong, uh, you know, uh somebody else can be can be lacking, and we can compliment each other. Whereas uh in my weakness, I can I can recruit a brother of faith that can not only strengthen me spiritually, but can also give me an advice. And sometimes uh I have met younger artists or younger uh individuals that come into my world and to give them a you know, I'm I'm very uh direct. I said, what's the plan? Right? They have ideas, they have concepts, they have terminology, they have information they gather, but let's let's take all that, sit down and drive uh uh draft a not only a spiritual plan, but a life plan. That's good. So so that's I I think when you're the financial seer, you know, and someone comes to you with these uh uh ideas and or these uh wishes for investment, you can you can orient them not only biblically, but also you know professionally.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Absolutely. And to your point, because he because he doesn't give us a spirit of fear when people come into with panic, come into the office with panic, especially with times like these. And then I mean a year ago we were in a similar type of scenario for a different reason. So like when people came into those moments panicking, the one thing that took a lot of people aback in the initial onset of the conversations that I was having is the fact that I wasn't panicking. You know what I mean? So we as believers, you know, where two or more gathering his name, he's in the midst.

unknown 47:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

But where that also applies is if we gather in the name of something else, then that's in the mist as well. So if somebody is bringing their panic and their anxiety, if I don't, if I don't come into agreement with panic and anxiety and I bring peace, then like peace, it it trumps and it guards the heart and mind in Christ. So like in these situations, even though I don't have to communicate that what I embody in that situation is this peace, and I can speak soundly to what's happening, and I can I can get around and circumvent emotions to be able to talk sound. Because if you've created a long-term plan with me, we've built a long-term plan for a long-term time horizon to be able to understand that we may have moments in the meantime, but if nothing is changed about all the conditions that made us commit to this plan, then we don't have to to to worry about moments because moments get very real. Up and down the volatility, when you look at your accounts every day, you see real loss. But at the end of the day, I've seen people who have entered, and I have to watch what I say just because I'm licensed, but I've I've seen I've seen people enter into the market at certain times and get out because of moments. Sure. And you know what I mean. Yeah, they they miss they miss opportunity because they took their eye off the goal. And honestly, you know, that's Peter. Yeah, you know, he he got out the boat. He was brave enough to get out the boat. That's right. He walked a couple of steps, but but he took his eye off of where he should have had his eye off, and and ultimately, even though the elements were around him, what he had his eyes fixed on was able to sustain him. So and rescue him at the end. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Rescue take him out. Uh, you know, that's use you know, that's why you always, you know, there there has to be a contingency plan. We do a lot of risk assessment before we embark in any prototype in any project. You know, what can go wrong? It's called a PFMEA. It's another acronym, potential failure mode and effects analysis. That's good. I mean, what what can go wrong in this step and what are the risks, and what's the what's the reaction plan or the contingency plan if that goes wrong? We're not saying that it's going to go wrong, but if it does go wrong, there's some planning and preparation involved. We've done our homework that the impact is not as hurtful as as if we did we didn't plan, then we get the whole brunt of that lost, or that what we or whatever the risk may be. And I think in life, as as we gain more spiritual maturity, uh you said uh keyword discernment in in the midst of chaos and other people's chaos and and and panicking, that you you know we know who's in the boat with us. Jesus is in the boat, and he didn't panic because he didn't panic, we we mirror and and and emulate uh his essence, essence and his presence in in our lives. So when when you when when did you become uh we're gonna talk about the book now? Because I'm I'm I wro I'm dying to talk about this this book. I've been I've been reading it. Uh it's it's you know so much to unpack. You know, when I when I read the uh the first two chapters, I said I can I can stay here for a month, you know, because the the the the the nuggets in between, if you're able to discern and read between the lines and how you apply it to your life and and bring in scripture to to uh reinforce those uh uh those advices and the counsel that that you bring. There's there's so much there. Um so you you were you uh converted to Christ, got salvation, God was speaking to your life, and you became an ordained minister throughout? How how was how was that?

SPEAKER_01 51:23

It was it was crazy because at the point where I gave my life to God, I was in a season where I was experiencing so many supernatural things, and I was becoming aware of some of these spiritual aptitudes that I had and realizing that they were gifts, and then he would show me glimpses of my life where it was bringing me into the understanding that these things were all always present, and then I had a couple of people in my life that God was really using to hammer the nail in terms of him courting me to him in Atlanta at the time. Um even though I hadn't all the way aligned with my life, I started attending church and and I was feeling the conviction. So God had me in this process of really drawing me. And when I moved home, uh one of my well, my best friend at the time, he he had invited me to a Bible study that he was attending on on Tuesday nights. And the church I was going into going to in Atlanta was Spirit Field. The church that I grew up in was a Baptist church, wasn't connecting with it, but I knew I wanted to go to church when I moved home because I understood what he preserved me from the first night I got there. Yes. So uh once he invited me to that Bible study, I started to talk to the man of God who was running the Bible study, and I was just telling, I just just poured on him everything that I was experiencing, all the encounters in private, the the the way that I was I was sensing God, even though I didn't really understand it in its entirety, and he just looked at me like an eyesore because he was prophetic himself and he was just like his hand is on your life and he can see it. So once I gave my once I finally gave my life to the Lord, it was it was after a moment where I realized that I didn't fit in my old life anymore. And um once I made the decision, I knew it wasn't a decision that I was going to take back and that I was going to give my entire all to it, and I did. So after that happened within the first six months, he had me teaching my first Bible study at a nursing home. So that that turned into Us.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

That's a whole different story. We'll probably get that one in the next podcast. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

But yeah, it turned into me being used very early on. Yes, yes, yeah. With music, music, it just turned into a situation where I got into ministry and eventually, yeah, after meeting my wife, I got ordained.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

You know, um uh there's always a lot of people just want the platform, they want the stage, they want the pulpit, whatnot. There's so many areas where we can serve. I remember my brother who was also an ordained minister, one of my older brothers. Uh he sings, he's got CDs, he's uh a lot of music, he's still still doing his his uh thing. Um he's he loved going to n uh nursing homes and sing uh singing for the sick, the ill. Uh and uh he he has a lot of beautiful testimonies from there. And uh he also uh went to uh there was a uh as a chaplain in prison ministry, they had a specific praise and worship night, and they would bring him in and he would just you know sing and share the word and those experiences, people that are not necessarily in a uh organized setting, ecclesiastic setting or church setting, whatnot, to see people uh that when you have a willingness to serve, God will open the door, he will put you in the right place, people will be saved and delivered, healed, transformed, and uh he has so many testimonies. I I myself uh again just those small venues, how much uh you grow from it. Absolutely and if you're going to make a mistake, a mistake, uh especially in quoting the wrong scripture and and and saying the wrong prof prophet name, it's good to say it in a small setting first. Absolutely. So you can be shaped before you you say something crazy uh front in front of a thousand, two thousand, three thousand people. So uh that's uh uh that's that's my experience. I won't go into that because I'll be telling on myself, but that's another story. Uh so God, God now uh is you are ordained. And I want to, I want if you can briefly uh with the time that we have, maybe in a couple of minutes, uh tell us how did this amazing book was birthed? So now look at this. Can you see this? Uh you see the the the the this is a lot of pages, but I tell you what, uh it's it's an amazing, an amazing book. I I love the way it's formatted. It's very manageable, it's very easy. Uh but what what uh what profoundness? How how did this how how did how did this uh how does this project this kingdom assignment was birthed?

SPEAKER_01 56:15

So um I had an encounter while I was still working at my collections job, um just being mindful of the time. He encountered me one night, I was working four tens, and for this entire 10-hour shift, God encountered me and baptized me with his love. And and I mean, he just gripped my heart. And and this was after I was already saved, but the moment was so intense it felt like salvation to me. You know, it was my really first major life-altering encounter, and it's the one moment that that started everything, and he he put some revelation into me that night as he just led me to different scriptures that became like foundational for me and and ultimately the lens through which I walked with him and even flowed in gifts. So uh after that, I after I sat with that moment and started doing the exercises in chapter two and three, I started walking people through the exercises in chapter two and three, and then eventually I wrote a manuscript, uh, the first version about 12 years ago, and then um had a friend of mine read it, gave me some advice on word count and expansion, and I sat with it for years. You know what I mean? Part of it could be delayed obedience, and part of it could just be growth, but God used it.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

It was uh an on-time, an on-time book, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

And he just had me in the last few months of life just expand it and simplify it and layer it to the point where somebody who's who doesn't walk with Christ can pick it up and that'd be day one for them, and it'd be layered enough where somebody who like yourself is seasoned, can like you said, read between the lines and get more mature revelation. But in this essence, it's the gospel and it's yeah, that rest from our works and learning how to live in union with them. So that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

Walking the power of perfect love. Now, I I have uh uh a section here since the the podcast is uh geared on on leadership, and I just want to read it uh to the audience, kind of like give you a little nugget enough to uh to lure you to uh purchase this amazing book. It says um section 11 leading without leading without leaving the place of sonship. That touched me. It says leadership in the kingdom does not begin with you step with it with you stepping forward or you step forward. It begins when you remain as a son. Because your authority is not sourced in position, influence, or title. Your authority is sourced in identity. So that's that's powerful. And then here's in the sonship guard the guards uh the sonship guards leadership from drifts, it says when leadership loses sight of sonship, gifting replaces grace, pressure replaces presence, performance replaces partnership, movement replaces maturity, but when leadership remains tethered to identity, you steward without striving, you influence without insecurity, you carry others without losing yourself, you build without breaking union. And uh to me, when I was writing a book called uh Joy Over Yokes, and the Lord led me to to identity, you know, our identity. And the first thing is to uh to to know that we are spirit. I mean, to to know that we are saved, but what is saved? You know, our our spirit is saved, uh, you know, in in unity with him. So when we know our true identity, it's all about the the the the assignments that he has for us as we walk in unison. It's not about the glorifying our name or exalting our name or uh looking for the spotlight. Uh it's walking, as you say, fearless and in obedience with Christ. Knowing that uh if if we if we take what I what I read and and uh here in in this section, when leadership loses sight of sonship, gifting replaces grace. We can turn that around and say it's grace replaces gifting. And when we walk in sonship, presence replaces pressure, partnership replaces performance, maturity replaces movement. I that's how I read it. I say, okay, you know, and and uh you should. So how how how would this this this like I said I I uh it's impossible to unpack this this amazing book in one hour because there's we can be locked in one section there for one hour. Um when you were thinking about the leadership and an identity, uh what what revelation came to your mind to to really put this this uh these thoughts on paper?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:09

So uh as it pertains to just that that one particular section, you know, the Bible says a good tree bears good fruit. Absolutely bears bad fruit. So we understand that neither could do the opposite. And if you look at Jesus and his walk, he says, I'm doing what the father is doing, and I'm saying what the father is saying, and and he prioritized his position and he uh lived from the image. And I was just having a conversation the other day. Identity and purpose are a package deal. Like you can't get purpose without identity, but some people try to find their identity in their purpose, right? And it gets perverted, and like I described in the book, you find yourself developing on a fast track with your gifts, but not developing in your character. Absolutely. And and even though the gifts come without repentance, the fruit comes with it. So if he can solidify himself and you and and and get you to surrender to the point where his spirit can fill you and flow out of you, then what you do is because of who you are, yes, instead of finding who you are and what you do. Because what happens when your season is over with a particular vacation or vocation? Vocation, yes. Does your identity change? Right, you know what I mean? So if you find who you are, then any context that he applies you to will never become an identity, it'll just become a vehicle through which you could actually display your identity, which is ultimately his because we're made in his image and likeness. Absolutely. So it gives you something eternal to hold on to instead of something temporal.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

Absolutely. What a great revelation, knowing your sonship, knowing your true identity. And I think it's everything is founded and rooted on that, knowing who we are in Christ and knowing what you know, a lot of people don't know. They hey, yes, you were saved, but you were also empowered, you're also anointed, you're also gifted. Uh greater works you shall do because he would go to the Father. There's so much God that that we have is having a massive uh uh tool set, and and if you don't know that you are a son, that you lose your identity, you will not be able to uh use all those tool sets and all those um uh different vehicles that God has for you, not only to bless you, but also to to deliver others in in their journey. And I think that uh knowing your identity in Christ uh awakens uh uh that uh the zeal to dream, to aspire, to have an expectation, uh to reap a great harvest, knowing that no matter what happens, these these lows, uh, these valleys of life, that our our identity in Christ uh gives us that opportunity uh to know that we are blessed beyond measure, that we are healed, that we are empowered, and that we have a a uh a lasting uh salvation for eternity if we follow Christ. Uh, I would like to uh to end the podcast uh always asking our guests uh the advice for the next generation, uh for young professionals trying to build uh both a career and a meaning, meaningful spiritual life, uh for leaving a legacy at the end of their life or career, uh, what kind of legacy do you hope to leave? Uh that they hope to leave? What what advice from from your journey, from your perspective, if you were looking at an 18-year-old David uh or Regal Jones, what would you advise them nowadays and especially in the times that we are living?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:58

Uh to really seek God and allow him to reveal himself so that you believe him when he starts to reveal you. Yes. Because identity is crucial. Like I when I look at every mistake that I made, it was me searching for one and and I was finding identity in places where that wasn't the source of it. So if I could tell an 18-year-old me it's to, you know, seek God, not not the version of him that you accepted, not the pastor that made you run away and believe that God wasn't real, but seek him. Absolutely because on the rock of revelation of who he is, he builds a church in us, and the gates of hell won't prevail against that identity because that identity has already conquered the world, overcame the world. So if you find who you are, then you do not have to struggle about what to do because what to Do and your God given identity becomes innate.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

Yes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

So find find who you are in Him by seeking Him and then surround yourself with people who can see you even while you're hidden. So that before your season comes for you to really walk in what you were purposed to, that you can actually have people sharpening your character, that you can actually learn to hear the voice of God above all the other voices, even your own, and so that you can actually build a sustainable kingdom business. Yes. You know what I mean? Jesus was about his father's business, and a major part of his father's business was understanding how to steward the seed that was in him, how to uh obey the Holy Spirit that was guiding him, and when to pull back and spend time and prioritize uh his his uh heart being laid out before the father so that they can be one. And and and that union can be something that he rested in and lived from, and the power of heaven could actually be transacted in earth. That's amazing. So like you will never know who you are without the one who created you.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

So and what will this book like once someone reads this book, what would you want them to achieve by reading this this amazing book?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

I would I would want God if they surr I would I would want them to apply surrender in such a way that God creates a tailor-made encounter.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

I I started from my encounter and I ended with an articulation of the fruit of that encounter, and in between it was a moment where God was invited in, and it if you read the book, it works from internal uh renovation and and and it goes to how to bring external application of the the renovation and and the the the shift that's happening in your inner world. So manifestation allowing God to to make his home inside of you and and and really creating a default system that lays your life down. Yes. In in every interval you need to, because going from glory to glory is really surrender to surrender.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:35

Absolutely, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

You know what I mean? Yes, absolutely. Being able to understand at this level of revelation what it means to lay my life down, and then when he shows me the the next death or or the next thing that he he wants that I might be holding on to, having the heart to say yes to him and trusting him with whatever that looks like.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:54

Yes. You know, uh when I look at this book, it again you can you can stratify it. It's called stratification the chapters segment, do an amazing autopsy. Uh, you will be blessed. This book is available through Amazon. Uh, I saw it on the Kindle. Uh you can download it and have it in your tablet, your computer, your laptop, your phone. Uh you can read it. Uh, but it's also available through uh paperback and whatnot. And uh this again, you will not you will not uh finish this book without being totally transformed and blessed, renewed. It'll it'll awaken uh your spirit. Uh you will find a great blessing like I have. Again, I've I've read uh a few chapters. I I get stuck because I like to delay and just meditate on what was said from from your perspective. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

And that's exactly what it's supposed to be. It's one, not as intimidating as it looks. It's a very breathable book. It's spaced out. Yes. But it's also chaptered and sectioned. And anybody who's asked me about it, I've told them to pray and ask God to give you pace. Because just like the word for me in this season, he may have me in a chapter with a uh like a section of like five verses for about a month at a time, just extracting every bit of wisdom there. So I supplement it with the word. The word is is is the God-given word, it's it's spirit-breed, so so it doesn't replace the Bible, but it there's a lot in, and it's something that you can partner with the Bible, and it's a discipleship tool. Uh, do you see yourself again in you doing music?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

Are you still in music?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:31

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

Um, now that I've Do you need a background singer or dancer? Hey, we can figure it out. We can figure it out. We can work out the contract. You know, I can't. I told uh we had a uh a gentleman called Swayze here. He's he's an artist, uh complimented by Lacrae. Okay. He's open with uh Andy Minio in Texas. He's he's growing, he's learning. And uh he said, I'm gonna put you in the back where the microphone's gonna be off, you know, and uh make I'll make sure the cameras don't hit you. I said that's that's that's fine. You know, I'll so if uh if you do a video, all right? Just just just have me, you know that extra person is really uh, you know, just on the wall, just doing nothing, that that'll be me.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

Like we could start the video.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:18

That's right, yeah. I think so. I might surprise you. I might surprise you. I I told him that in my younger days I started rapping. My I don't I didn't have a stage name. I was eight, ten years old. I'm gonna turn on myself. My name was Funky Fresh D. I tell you now, was graffiti in the walls. Yeah, yeah, you know, the Rundan C. You know what's so funny? What's what's funny about Rudy's actually my brother though?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:44

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:44

Yeah, uh, we're gonna take this off the podcast. We're gonna take this off the podcast. I think the next the next podcast uh with Mr. Regal Jones is gonna be just about this, right here. Right this because we can get technical, we can get professional, we can get very spiritual and deep-rooted, but sometimes we need to have these uh these off conversations to find out who uh you know these uh these hidden gifts that we have. What lies for you ahead in uh in the near future?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

Um seeking the Lord about how the book goes from the conversation between the individual to I believe he's leading me to more teaching and and something uh organized as far as curriculum about teaching the book because I I've he showed it to me before the book, and then there are people who came to me since the book, but then uh music is something that he's brought back to the forefront, and this isn't the only book that exists, and that's finished. This is just this is just the season for this one.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:47

Oh, nice, uh likewise, likewise. Uh that's again uh an amazing. I rejoice for what God is doing through you, not only not only in your in your in your marriage, uh in your church, uh work-wise, health-wise, spiritually, and and everything he's done for you, uh, with the new creative uh uh writing and and all that. And then I I know we're a little bit older, but we think we're 20 and we take it back, and you know what I mean? It's uh we probably don't have the same fashion or or whatnot, but uh who knows. There may be that audience for us. I know you're much, much younger than than the than I am, but uh um I still do sing and uh but I'm primarily uh in in Spanish, I have a lot of music out there, and so when I go to give a conference or seminar, I try to sing first and then and then uh uh speak the word. And I love what you said about taking the book and making it a seminar or a conference uh that people can you know uh not only put it in like in a conference format, but also at the end of the conference, of course, you have your uh your table set up and people can acquire the uh the book physically and you can sign it. So I rejoice in that. I celebrate your future victories, uh, your victories, my victory. I rejoice what uh the Lord is doing for you, and I see an amazing bright future for you. And uh I'm I'm glad that I'm able to witness what has uh the Lord has done in your life and where you're headed. So there so Mr. David Regal Jones, I know it was a lot to unpack. Uh you can find this uh interview through Spotify, Apple Podcasts uh pretty soon. We're gonna try to upload that this as soon as possible, and the uh the video will come out soon as well. So uh I want to thank you for uh making the time for us. And how can people find out more about your ministry or uh your professional uh uh you know profile?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:33

Thank you for having me also. But um on on Instagram, TikTok, and and Spotify. Well, Spotify, all Apple Music, all all those, all those platforms. You can find the music under Regal Jones, but on on um all social media is crowned R official. Crown Crowned R official. So crowned as in crowned R for Regal and then official.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:58

Outstanding. So we're gonna put that link in the comment section. And I just want to say thank you for tuning in. Thank you for your support. Uh, thank you for your your prayers and for always uh asking about who's next. And we had had a treat today, and I can't wait to finish this book. I hope you're quarried. I'll see you soon.