Self-Care Confidence: From Survival to Flourishing with Coach Kendra Lee

What if self-care wasn’t selfish… but essential?

In this heartfelt conversation, I’m joined by Kendra DeVito to explore the role of self-care in healing after intimate betrayal. Together, we unpack the guilt, exhaustion and survival-mode thinking that can make caring for yourself feel impossible — especially when you’re overwhelmed, caring for others, or simply trying to get through the day.

Kendra shares pieces of her own healing journey after multiple D-Days, raising five children and spending many years without access to trauma-informed support. Through her story, we explore how self-care became more than bubble baths and coffee runs — it became a pathway back to clarity, nervous system regulation, confidence, voice and self-worth.

This episode is a gentle invitation to reconnect with yourself in small, meaningful ways.

In this episode, we discuss:

•  Why self-care can feel selfish after betrayal 
•  The connection between self-care and nervous system healing 
•  How betrayal trauma disconnects us from our own needs 
•  Tiny, practical acts of self-care that actually help 
•  Why “what makes me happy?” can feel like such a difficult question 
•  The role of self-talk in rebuilding confidence 
•  Self-care during demanding seasons of motherhood and overwhelm 
•  Receiving “glimmers” of goodness in everyday life 
•  The importance of both self-care and support from others 
•  Moving beyond survival toward flourishing 

Memorable moments from this conversation:

"Self-care helped me find myself, use my voice and gain confidence.” — Kendra

“Sometimes self-care is simply slowing down enough to receive the moment you’re already in.” — Jane

“I want to go beyond healing and flourish.” — Kendra

Practical self-care ideas mentioned in this episode:

•  Journaling 
•  Walking in nature 
•  Yoga or stretching 
•  Lighting a candle 
•  Drinking coffee slowly and intentionally 
•  Taking deep breaths 
•  Listening to music 
•  Spending time with safe people 
•  Watching something funny 
•  Baking 
•  Painting or colouring 
•  Reading 
•  Bubble baths 
•  Resting without guilt 
•  Turning off your phone 
•  Buying yourself flowers 
•  Watching a sunrise or sunset 
•  Letting yourself cry 
•  Celebrating small wins 

Connect with Kendra:

Kendra offers support groups and coaching through her Ruined to Radiant program.

Website: https://ruined2radiant.com

Instagram: @coachkendralee

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Hello friend. Welcome to Confident Again, a place to gain clarity and confidence for women who are healing from intimate betrayal. I'm Jane Gibb and with my very special guest Kendra, we'll be discussing a core mindset and skill essential to reclaiming confidence. We're talking about the practice of looking after yourself, self-care and how it makes a significant difference to healing. If you felt guilty about taking time for yourself, feel overwhelmed at the thought of adding self-care to your schedule, or just not sure what self-care might look like for you, this episode is for you. My guest and I will share the personal benefits of self-care, paint a picture of self-care that might challenge your expectations, and leave you with a comprehensive list of ideas to get you started. Without further ado, let's listen to our conversation. Today I'm super excited to have Kendra DeVito with me for a conversation about self-care, which is such a foundational topic for our healing after betrayal. Kendra is a certified appetites coach and she sees individual clients and she runs groups and she's also a really nice person. So I would like to welcome you, Kendra, to the podcast. Thank you so much. It's great to be here. Yeah. So what is it that brings you to a topic like this?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

I would say my own healing journey has brought me to this topic. I am um a mother of five and homeschooled, and I'm married to a addict. I have had numerous D-Days. Um, and self-care has just been vital in me rebuilding myself and getting back on my feet.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Yeah. Would you like to share a little bit of your story with us? Just some bullet points around, you know, what's this journey been like for you that kind of has set the stage for self-care being such an important thing for you?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Um the journey has been hell. Um my first D-Day was over 20 years ago, and um there just wasn't help. My self-care was pulling up my bootstraps and ignoring it. Um so it wasn't until 2020 that I realized there was help out there. Um so yeah, it's been it was a very long journey between 2001 and 2020 and not understanding what it was living with, what it was dealing with in the middle of raising five children. And um yeah, it was very, very difficult.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

That's huge, Kendra. Just what you described about having a D-Day over 20 years ago, and then having to just pull your bootstraps up, get on with it, and not having access to good help. And that's a long time to go doing that. So um, yeah, and in the context of what you already said, you've got five kids and you've got and you were homeschooling. So, like I'm picturing my mind this super busy life um where there was a lot going on. So dealing with whatever was happening in that space around your D-Day um seems like it might have been easy just to box it up and put away and just britch your teeth and get on with it. Is that what happened for you?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Yes. Um, I the only help that I did seek was um through pastoral help, and that was very discouraging.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

So yeah, I'm so sorry that happened to you. That's that's a hard space to be in. Yeah. And yet I can see, like when I'm looking at your face, and I'm sorry that our listeners won't be able to see um the radiance on your face right now as you tell a story. There is something about you that has forged strength in you, or you maybe you've reconnected to your own strength in the midst of the story. And maybe you can unpack for us a little bit about what that's been like for you since um you got good help a few years back.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yes. Um getting the right kind of help has definitely helped me uh grow and change um and flourish, actually. I actually have a tattoo on my forearm that says flourish because um it's a reminder of the rebuilding that I have done and the hard work that I have done. So um, yeah, it has definitely helped me. And self-care has just been huge and helping me rebuild and gain the confidence that I have needed to be who I am now and define myself and use my voice.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Okay, so I just heard you say three things that self-care has helped you find your confidence to use your voice, define yourself. Like all of those are massive. And you're saying that self-care has really provided you us um the strength or the space in which to develop those three things.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Yeah, absolutely. I uh talked to my clients about, you know, having a D-Day is basically putting you in an emotional ICU. And in order to bring you back to life, it's vital to get the self-care. Um, it's helped my nervous system, like I said, helped me bring clarity, bring safety to my body, um, and gain confidence using my voice, all those things. Self-care has just been vital. And no one else is going to give you self-care. You know, I had to learn to do it myself and go get it for myself and realize that I was worth doing self-care. I think that's where I for myself and even the partners I work with feel so guilty taking time for a cup of coffee or feel so guilty getting a massage, or I don't want to spend money going on a retreat or going to the holiday end. There's just, and it's it's vital. It's vital to your recovery and healing.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Yeah. Well, I can hear you saying how important it's been to your own recovery and healing. You know, self-care is a little bit of a cultural buzzword. And um, I'm wondering if you can help us understand what you mean when you say self-care. So what it maybe what it is, what it isn't, and give us some solid examples of that.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Um solid examples for me for my own life would be grabbing a cup of coffee, journaling, doing yoga, lighting a candle, taking a walk to my backyard, looking at nature, um getting my hair done, getting a massage, going to the movies, picking up my favorite candy or my favorite food on the way home to treat myself, to you know, going to a hotel um and reading a book, taking a bath. So um just staying in connection of like what do I need today or what would make me happy today. Um and just trying to connect with myself on yeah, what I need, what I need today, and what would make me happy today.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Those sound like really important questions. That connection to myself that says, what do I need today? So understanding my own um where I am in my nervous system and in my emotions, and even in my in my own head, and reading those cues and then saying, okay, what is this telling me that I need? And I actually um from my own experience, sometimes like my head buzzes and it's very busy and I can't relax. And so then I go, okay, what I really need today is to just slow down and take eat eat a meal without having my phone in front of me. Yes. Um, yeah. For me, that's self-care. That's that's saying actually, there's nothing more important in this moment than just enjoying this mouthful of food. And that feels like self-care to me. I love it. I love that. Yeah. So it is about understanding what I need and being able to develop concrete, maybe even little actions, but definite actions, intentional actions, yeah, that meet those needs. And what was the second question, Kendra?

SPEAKER_00 9:26

What do I need? What do I need and what makes me happy?

SPEAKER_02 9:30

What makes me happy? That's a huge question for a person who's in the throes of betrayal trauma.

unknown 9:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

So can you talk a little bit about like what do you mean, what makes me happy?

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Um, maybe I could say what makes me feel good right now, because we have just been run over by our spouse who we thought would never do this. Um, where the grief is heavy, we're brokenhearted. Um, I didn't even actually, I didn't even want to be happy. You know, I was just so grief stricken. Um, and so I think it took me some time to realize that I can choose one thing today, just one thing to make me happy today. And what would that be? And maybe it was just, you know, to isolate or um go cry. You know, I had to, I had to just try to focus and write down one thing that I was gonna do today that was gonna make me happy. And then I slowly went to two things to make me happy, yeah. And then I started listening to my body, like, what do I need? Do I need that Snicker bar? Okay, go get it.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Yeah. I'm when you say um, what makes me happy? And then the answer to that is to go isolate and have a cry. Tell me what's the connection between happiness and those two things.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

I think I was meeting a need, actually. I think my body needed that. Um to and the the release of doing that, I knew I would feel better if I got my got my way. It's you know, for some people it might be I need to clean out my refrigerator. Yeah. For for me, it was I need to get away from the kids and I need some quiet, a place where I could cry, you know. Um in the shower.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Yeah, yeah. I I might have done some crying in the car too, just being honesty.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yeah, when nobody can hear that, giving yourself permission for the Snicker bar to cry.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Yeah, yeah. So I think when you're saying what will make me happy, maybe you're also saying what will make me less overwhelmed, what will make me less sad, what will make me less tense.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Is are you also saying that? Yeah, I think it comes down to just understanding what's going to bring some calm to your nervous system as well.

unknown 12:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

And I think for me, pulling up my bootstraps, I was not in connection to what how my whole entire body was feeling, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

Yeah, yeah. And I can imagine that like 20 years of pulling up your bootstraps, getting on with caring for your kids and just doing the everyday. And the question, what makes me happy? Like, was that anywhere on your radar?

SPEAKER_00 12:48

No. I doing self-care and making myself happy um felt selfish to me and um was told that is selfish. We're not supposed to think of ourselves, we're supposed to think of others. So I'm constantly caring for the kids, and I was worried about my husband and his recovery and what was he doing. I just put myself on a shelf. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah. So what was it that flipped that switch for you to be able to do like give yourself permission to do self-care, to take those actions that you need that would make you happy?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

I think I was at the end of my rope with it was either the fourth or fifth D Day where um I I literally felt so hopeless. And um my I did finally find a betrayal trauma therapist, and she was talking to me about you need to get some self-care, and I didn't even know what it was. But I was desperate to do anything. Okay, if you say I need to do some self-care, I'm willing to do it. So yeah, it was I was just I was desperate to be revived.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Yeah. So it was actually that somebody that you trusted told you that you needed to do it, and then in a place where you would try anything, including something that you had not given yourself permission for before. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Right. And I have regrets that I did not teach my children about self-care.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Oh, yeah. Talk to me a little bit more about what that's about.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

Just seeing them as adults, you know. I'm like, go get your self-care. I can see you're stressed, you need self-care, and I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm like, well, I thought I was fine too. And I can see that you're overwhelmed. I can see that you're overwhelmed, and it's okay to go get a cup of coffee. And sometimes I'll send them a note with, you know, ten dollars, and I'm like, please go get a cup of coffee, you know, do something.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Let them know it's okay to take a moment to breathe.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Yeah. And what's really beautiful, Kendra, is now you're in a space where you're not only encouraging them and empowering them to do that, but you're showing them what it looks like to live a life that's well. Um, well, I want to use your word flourish. What it looks like to flourish through the practices of taking good care of yourself. And sometimes I like to use the word stewardship around self-care.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

Um, I think for me it speaks to like I'm I was given this life, this body, this nervous system, this mind, this story. And what am I going to do with that? How am I going to step into an empowered space to do the best I can with what I have? And that starts with making sure I put on my own oxygen mask first. How can I honestly and authentically show up in all the other spaces I want to be in if I if I'm short on oxygen?

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Yes, that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

It's vital. So important. Yeah. So what are some of the tangible benefits that you've experienced around doing self-care?

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Well, if I look at it from the nervous system standpoint, I felt like I could breathe a little bit easier. I felt a little lighter. Um I started to find enjoyment in things again.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Um and that's really significant post-betrayal because after betrayal, you're just in a dark space when nothing feels like it could ever feel good again.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Absolutely. My brain fog was starting to lift somewhat as well. Um, so I was starting to get a little more clarity. Um yeah. And I just feel like it's good for your body to feel that relaxation and to feel a even just the smallest bit of happiness, you know, because I just never thought I would be happy again.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Yeah. I just I'm just my heart for every woman who has said that to herself, I don't think I'll ever be happy again. Yeah. Yeah. What do you see as the connection between doing self-care and finding and using your voice?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Coming off of the clarity standpoint that I said, I realized that I am someone of worth, and I deserve to be happy. I deserve to have a life that I want, and um, that's where my confidence has come in as well to start using my voice first with myself, understanding what I wanted and what I needed, and talking to myself. You do deserve this, you deserve the Snicker bar, you deserve to be happy, um, you deserve to have your needs met. Um, you deserve that cup of coffee, to where I am able to share my needs and wants with my partner and with those around me, with my job. So it's it started with me using my voice with myself first, and then it moved into using my voice with others.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Yeah. So what I'm hearing you say is that self-care begins with changing your self-talk.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

One of the things that um I I keep coming back to this, I heard it from a client years ago, and it just it's the picture that stays in my mind. But she talks about her self-care being um taking a bath and then getting out of the bath and drying herself off very carefully and putting her pajamas on very slowly. And what I picture in my mind when she says that is this is how you would treat a child who had had a heart was going through a hard time. You know, you've got a a six-year-old who maybe just had a rough day at school and you're like, oh, let's go take a bath and let's, you know, and you would do treat them with such gentleness and care because they deserve to feel loved and cared for. And so when you talk about the self-talk that backs the self-care, it's about seeing myself as a person who is worthy of feeling that love, just like a little child who's going had a hard day. And so um, yeah, just wanting to um acknowledge and just uh reaffirm that what you're saying there about self-talk is so important. And that I think is part of the battle, right? Absolutely, yeah. When we talk about the barriers to self-care, part of it is actually that we're sitting in this place of I don't deserve that, and self-care is selfish, and I just have to grip my teeth and get on with it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

So it's so true. I love that. What came up for me when you said that was nurturing. And I have had to learn to nurture myself. No one's gonna do it for me. Give myself the butterfly hug. And like you said, I have learned to put my lotion on slowly and put it all over my body and to take care of myself and to take the time in the tub and to enjoy shaving my legs. That's self-care. I took extra time to care for my body. Yeah, it's the nurturing, and I love I love that picture of um of that. That's what came up for me.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Yeah, I have uh somebody in my life who says my self-care is putting my makeup on. Like absolutely it just gives herself that space to feel like, oh, I'm actually worth putting makeup on. I'm gonna do that. And and she sees it as self-care. Love it. Yeah, yeah. So, besides the like the mental barriers around our beliefs and the self-talk that the negative self-talk that we might be experiencing, what are some other barriers to doing self-care?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Well I I think I mentioned the guilt talked me out of a lot of I don't have time to go into nature. I don't have time to go for a walk. I don't have time to shave my legs. I don't want to take care of myself. I'm not worth it. Um, but I do, I do think time is a barrier and just the feeling of guilt, um, guilty for spending eight dollars on a Vente latte. You know, like there's just, and you don't have to spend eight dollars. I'm just saying I would that would be a treat for me to go get an eight dollar latte. Um, and we had five kids and I didn't want to spend the money and understanding that well, I actually the one of the my boundaries was with my husband was I I requested a self-care budget. That's a fantastic idea. That he put money in there um every month for uh self-care budget. So, and he was more than willing um because I I really needed, I really needed to take care of myself. And so knowing that, okay, I had this much money a month um that I was not gonna be held accountable for, he was not gonna ask me what I did, um, but I could go do what I want, help me with feeling less guilty.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Yeah, so you're talking about limitations around self-care. So some of those being um the mental limitations and the and the guilt that comes with that, but also like we only have so much time in a day. Yeah and I think you and I might be in a season where we have a little bit more discretionary time because our kids are grown up and we don't sort of doing doing little kids every day. But for the mums who are right in the the midst of changing nappies and you know sleepless nights with crying babies and you know, toddlers who have tantrums, you know, all of that can be very challenging also to finding that space for self-care. So there's the time, there's the there's the stage of life that I'm in. And there's also financial empowerment. You just talked about a financial empowerment piece, having a self-care budget. And one of the things that helped me to have permission for myself to do self-care is I in my the work that I do, I set aside an amount that's just this is discretionary spending, and I get to spend it on whatever I need to and want to. So yeah, what do you have to say to people who are in a more like chaotic and demanding season of life around self-care?

SPEAKER_00 24:40

I think just looking at your surroundings and taking that in. Um like when you're outside and the kids are blowing bubbles or doing chalk or whatever, running wild in the front yard, um taking that in. This is self-care that I'm sitting out here watching them. This is self-care that I'm under this gorgeous tree, or taking a look at uh the gorgeous flowers that might be around, or butterflies, or um, maybe even grab a magazine and that, you know, reading an article where they run and play, um, and just taking deep breaths and recognizing that just being able to sit there with them is would be my self-care for the day. You know, it doesn't have to be this big production with no kids, but um taking in the little things, you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Yeah, yeah. I love that. And sometimes um I call those glimmers. And I I love that. Yeah, so it's like I notice this glimmer of like, there's my child's face and their eyes look so trusting, and just taking in that glimmer, not just like glossing over it because I'm distracted in my mind, but actually taking a moment to receive that as something really special. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

I love that work we see.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Yeah, so there's a maybe there's a space here for people who are in that phase of life where there's a just a lot happening to um not necessarily add to their schedule by doing more, because sometimes I think people who are very busy here self-care is, oh, you mean I've got to do more? That that that feels impossible to me. Um, it's actually what if I slowed down my nervous system in the moment and was able to receive that moment of sunshine on my back, or that when I cuddle my little person and just feel the warmth in there, smell the hair. Like those things are also moments of just being able to receive that glimmer of self-care that there's a this in this moment, this makes me happy. We're coming back to that. What makes me happy, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:57

What makes me happy? It what comes up for me when you just said that was laughter. Um, sometimes you need to just sit and watch a 20-minute comedy and laughter for self-care, or just when you hear maybe your own children or out in public, you hear laughter, like pay attention to that, you know. And um that just makes my heart happy, just being like, okay, that was funny, or that was great, or you know, take the time to just smile and and laugh. Um, yeah, it's very helpful.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Yeah, it's really really beautiful to think about that and the courage that it takes to um be present enough to be able to receive what's already there for you. And I also remembering that someone once told me that it's not kind to say self-care, self-care, self-care, when what you might need is actually other care. So I guess what I'm wanting to highlight to anyone who might be listening and feeling the pressure to do more. Um, it's also important to get support, find some way that you can um have others in your life who can come around you at this really challenging time. And um, I don't know what that one might be for you. Maybe it's a family member or a neighbor or a friend, they don't even need to know what's happening in your betrayal story, but just to, you know, 30 minutes. Um, you know, having someone to talk to on the phone. Um going to maybe go maybe it involves like um going to a mother's group and talking to other mothers, like it's it's finding spaces outside of just you that might be able to support that sense of well-being and self-care. So it's a yeah, it's a partnership of self and others care.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Yes, I love that. I love that. It's it's very important.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Yeah. So as we wrap this up, Kendra, I'd like to talk a little bit about um what are some practical tips for people who are wanting to um increase their self-care journey.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

I would start out um just look for one thing a day. And then gradually look for two. And then the next thing you know, you're you're getting your self-care, you're doing a lot.

unknown 29:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

So what I love about that, yeah. And what I love about that idea is it's um you're setting out a very doable but tangible goal. Yeah, just one thing, do one thing a day. And then I want to add to that, when you've done that one thing, you celebrate the heck out of that. Love it. Yeah, you you give your absolutely yeah, you do a you do a little dance, or you know, I I used to teach um primary school. So I always say the kids, give yourself a pat on the back, give yourself a pat on the back, or even just permission to let a big smile come onto your face because you remember that you cared for yourself. Like that's kind of celebration, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

I love that celebrating. I love that. What a great way.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

What other ideas do you have? Practical tips?

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Ideas for self-care. Is that what you're asking?

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Okay. Um I meet up with a friend, schedule a date with a friend, maybe, um, bake, bake your favorite cookie or bake for your neighbor. Um, go to the spa, like I mentioned, um, coloring or painting. I've learned, I've actually learned to paint rocks. Um, read a book, listen to a podcast. Um try something new, venture out. Um, maybe even look at a tutorial on like YouTube or something, you know, how to crochet or something like that. Um, a bubble bath, light a candle, eat your favorite food, turn off your phone, can be self-care, work in the garden, try a new restaurant or try something new on the rest on the menu. I always do get the same thing at every restaurant. And so maybe challenge yourself to try something new and then be proud of yourself that you tried it, you know, celebrate that. Um buy a new outfit, maybe make a doctor's appointment, you know, for self-care. What do you need? Um, I love sunsets and sunrise. Um, so you know, maybe get up early or stay up a little bit later. Um being still can be self-care, just maybe meditating or just listening to silence, um, rearranging your room, buying a new comforter, write a love letter to somebody, buy yourself flowers, go outside and get fresh air, order in your favorite meal, start a new skincare routine, go for a walk, peddle with a pet, write in your journal, turn off the TV, grab a cup of coffee, donate maybe to a special cause, protect somebody that you love, drink more water, take deep breaths, listen to your favorite music, or clean out your inbox or your fridge or whatever would give you pleasure to get something done on your to-do list.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

That's a that's a that's a very comprehensive list, Kendra. Um, yeah, a couple things I would add there is permission not to multitask. Absolutely. So just choosing one thing. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Yeah. I think I had to get comfortable um going to bed with a messy house or not making the bed, and that was okay. Giving myself permission felt really, really empowering to give myself permission to it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Yeah, yeah. And I love what I love about that is actually it's not like oh, I don't have time to do that. It's actually I'm not gonna do that. It's a there's a different energy in that, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:39

There is absolutely it's the choice. It's the choice.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Yes. And one thing that really I love to do for self-care is actually make lists. I make a list. Love it. And sometimes I'll make a list after I've done the stuff and check it all off just to like get that good feeling of like I did a lot today. Yay! I know it feels a little bit like cheating, but I I don't call it cheating. It's like, no, it's actually acknowledgement and celebration.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

I love the perspective of that.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Yeah. Well, thank you, Kendra. This has been a really um useful conversation around this really important topic of self-care. I just wondered if there is um one, if you had one thing that you would hope that a woman listening to this podcast might take away, what would that be?

SPEAKER_00 34:41

I just want to give the hope that she is enough and that she can heal and and flourish. It's not just I want to heal, it's I want to go beyond healing and flourish.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

I love that. Yeah, flourish is such a word that can feel out of reach when you're in the aftermath of betrayal. And yet what a beautiful picture you're painting for us in just one word of what the intention of engaging in self-care might be able to contribute to. And your story of that in your own life is such inspiration for us all to really engage with self-care. So thanks for joining me today, Kendra. It's been such a pleasure to have this conversation. Thank you for letting me be here. Thank you so much for joining me today for this conversation with Kendra DeVito. If you picked up something that inspired you, rate and review the episode and share it with a friend. Kendra is available for support groups and coaching through her Ruined to Radiant program. To contact her, check the show notes below. If this podcast has given you hope and you'd like to find more support, check out my website, quietwisdom.com.au. Until next time, gently does it with your beautiful self.