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Our Beef With Beef

• Ariel, Olivia, and Mattie

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The US government has been issuing nutrition guidance for over 100 years — so what's the deal with the new 2025-2030 Dietary Guidelines? In this episode, Ariel breaks down the history of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, what's actually in the new 10-page document, and why it looks so different from previous editions. She and Mattie dig into the industry ties behind the people who wrote it, why ditching a health equity framework is a major red flag, and what it would actually take to improve nutrition at the population level. Spoiler: it's not beef tallow. Also on the agenda: Flavor Flav championing women's sports, F1 season kicks off, and a product recall segment that somehow ends with Viagra in chocolate syrup.

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SPEAKER_00

Welcome to Public Health Group Chat, the podcast that has no pyramids. My name is Ariel.

SPEAKER_01

My name is Maddie. No pyramid schemes. No food pyramids. No, no, not a singular pyramid to be found. Right.

SPEAKER_00

No triangles, no pyramids. None of the above. Just some cool science public health ladies vibing.

SPEAKER_01

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SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_01

Send us money. So today, I know we talk about my hat fun. I didn't have a hat today because I had just washed my hair and I wanted it to be documented. Um, but I my shirt is what's fun. It says pottery is my favorite sport. I love it. Your hair looks great, Maddie. Thank you. So today is like an unhinged shirt day and not an unhinged hat day. But don't worry. I have like pulled through my hat collection. I've pulled all them all out. So like there's a lineup ready to go.

SPEAKER_00

I'm excited. I have a bunch of beanies, but they don't like say fun things. They're just fun colors and fun patterns. But every hat does need to be fun, and I like a pom-pom.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yes. Okay, well, next one you have to wear one.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, maybe if I record outside, it's just like too warm inside to wear a hat, I think.

SPEAKER_01

That's fair. I was also realizing you wear headphones of like the pom-pom and the headphones, I just feel like sounds is wildly uncomfortable. Yeah, it it does. I didn't even think about that. So maybe. You can really break them and hold them up and be like, if I could wear a hat, I would wear this one.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So what is this week's good news in public health? Do we have anything? Because uh a lot of shit has happened since our last recording. And not all good.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, so much shit has happened, and arguably pretty much none of it good. So today we are gonna talk about in our public health good news. We're gonna talk about flavour flavor and how he is really championing women's sports. And I found this as like a really like solid bit of good news because of after all of the embarrassment that there's the US men's hockey team. Um, I didn't realize you could win a gold medal and still be such a loser. Like there was so much rallying and support around women's sports, specifically the women's US hockey team, that they're getting like, since they were kind of like made as like a punchline, which is just so embarrassing that people laugh at a punchline that's just like, ha ha, girls, like be so fucking for real. That's not funny and you're stupid. And you can really tell the quality, the educational quality of somebody and like their intellect by what they laugh at, and someone who laughs at that. Um that's my official opinion. But there's like such a rally around women's sports. So since they didn't get invited to the White House, which I don't know why you would want to anyway, Flavil Flav, who has been sponsoring the women's US water polo team. Um Errol, did you see the summer games where he was at the Olympics watching the women's water polo team? I did not see that. Oh, it's so adorable. He's got like their hat on that has their like ear protectors, and he's got all of this like US women's water polo merch, and he's at every single game like cheering for them. It's so sick. And so he, as like a big supporter of women's sports, was like, you know what? I will fly you all out to Vegas. I'll throw you a party. Let's try and get some brands going. And so it was like Asking Airlines was like, we'll fly everyone out. And um, I can't remember what hotel chain in Vegas, but they already have a big sign-up on their uh on the side of their hotel that says, Welcome all US women's athletes. And Dubhub is getting them tickets to all the shows in Vegas. There's been this huge push for support of women's sports, and that is so important, especially for young girls to be able to like see themselves in these athletes so they know that this is like also possible. It's having that sort of representation is so important, both like for the acceptance and mental health and like feeling that sort of belonging in a lot of these sports that were typically first off all men and second off all white. And so I think that's really cool. And I really wanted to talk about that as our public health good news is that there's this big rally around women's sports because it's they're so deserving because they work just as hard, if not harder, and they don't get paid as much, they don't get recognized as much, but like they're just as good, if not better, than like the men's teams. So I'm really excited to see it. It's gonna be in April after the PW jail season and after the Paralympics. Gonna be cool. And it includes all women's, I think it's all women's. I don't know if it's summer and winter, but just for sure winter, uh, Olympic and Paralympic athletes.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, that's really amazing. Women in sports are incredible, especially for me. I pay attention to like the running and ultra running world. And women are dominating in like the super, super long distances, and it's so cool to see.

SPEAKER_01

Heck yeah. That's awesome. No, it's so cool to see. It's crazy because it's a lot of these athletes are moms. And they're just like, they're like, Oh yeah, I had two kids and I came back and now I'm an elite athlete. I can barely get off my couch. Like, that's insane. Like that's so cool. So I'm really amped for it. And I also do appreciate how Flavor Flav has been calling out brands too. He'll be like, Oh, you are a billion-dollar company. You are just sending us like product. You can do better. And then they will do better, and like we'll also sponsor them too. I love that sort of allyship where you are using your platform to make other people better.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, we love to see that. And especially when it's men doing the calling out, because there's not enough of that happening. Um, so it is refreshing to see when men are backing women and saying, hey, just like do better.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well, and like case in point, the whole party in the men's US men's lock uh hockey team locker room, no one stood up and said anything. Like there's someone said that like one of the other players in the background was like trying to say something, but I mean you can't hear it or see it on camera. It's refreshing to see these men who have these big platforms using it for something good to benefit other people. Cause like at the end of the day, Flave of Flav doing this, it really has no benefits for himself, other than maybe getting some clout. I don't know, but I don't think it's very equal to what the women's athletes get. So I think it's really cool.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it is about fucking time to see some of this. So yeah, thank you, Maddie, for for bringing that up as good news in public health and just good news in general, because uh the world every day just gets a little scarier and a little less safe, it seems like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Every day we wake up to a new fresh hell. And sometimes I just want to be reminded that women's sports is important, okay? Yes, women's sports is so important. Don't you forget that. Listen, don't you forget it. Um, so other women's sports updates for those of our friends in Denver, the PWHL tour is coming back on March 15th, and we are getting a women's pro soccer team, and their opening game, their like hometown kickoff is March 27th, 28th, whatever that Saturday is. So watch women's sports.

SPEAKER_00

Awesome. All right. So are you ready for the main topic of today's episode? I'm so ready.

SPEAKER_01

I'm really excited we're doing this because as we've as we've expressed, is Olivia and I, our backgrounds are in infectious disease epi. So I didn't really like get a lot of the more of the community health, dietary restrictions, like nutrition, that sort of education. I got the baseline of it. It's probably like how you got like global health infectious disease epi. That's how we got nutrition and community health. So I'm really excited to learn more about it. So yes, Ariel, please tell me everything.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So today we are talking about the new US dietary guidelines. And I assume if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably aware that there are new guidelines that were released just at the beginning of this year, 2026. Um, I have seen so much of it online on Instagram, but I realize my algorithm is not everyone's algorithm. So maybe I am more informed than the average person. But yeah, very excited to dive in. So before I talk about what's up with the new guidelines, I do want to give a brief overview of the history because I think it's pretty interesting. Um, so the government has provided nutrition information for a long time, for over 100 years, through various channels, including brochures and posters and books, and then most recently online and on social media as technology has progressed. In 1977, the Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs, which was established to link the interests of the Senate Agriculture Committee and the Labor and Public Welfare Committee, released the dietary goals for the United States, and its focus was on eating more complex carbohydrates, eating less fat and less saturated fat, as well as less sodium, which are problems that Americans are still facing today with our food system. So not a whole lot has changed. The first iteration of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans came out in 1980, and it was a collaboration between the Department of Health and Human Services, HHS, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, or USDA. And the main focus was on encouraging Americans to eat a variety of foods to make sure they get in all necessary nutrients and avoid weight gain. And since 1980, a new version has been released every five years. And what's interesting is that the first three editions were voluntary. The 1990 National Nutrition Monitoring and Related Research Act mandated that HHS and USDA jointly update the guidelines at least every five years. So the 1995 edition was the first time that this document was mandated by law. And so the dietary guidelines for Americans are intended for use by professionals, not the general public. They are available online, so you could just go and read them if you wanted to. It's not like a secret, it's not being gatekeeped, it's just not meant for the layperson. And the guidelines are really meant to shape policy and practice rather than for individual use. For example, they shape SNAP benefits, school lunch standards, and influence things like research and public health initiatives. And this creates systemic change, which does influence all of us. But again, we don't need to all sit down and read it and use it as the basis of our grocery shopping and meal planning. At the individual level, it doesn't actually change people's habits. Again, it's meant for more of that like systemic um change.

SPEAKER_01

That is so interesting. I don't think I ever knew that about the food pyramid. I just remember seeing it in schools, but yeah, it was around education. And it wasn't like here's a food pyramid. Go tell your parents to do the grocery shopping based on this. And that makes that makes total sense. Now learning that I am even more fired up that all these influences are like the food pyramid. I did have a question. Was there like a rhyme or reason behind like every five years, or was that just like a good round number, or did they say anything about that?

SPEAKER_00

That's a great question. That's not something I found in my background of this episode, but I didn't specifically look for it. I just wonder if that's about the amount of time it would take to find any kind of like new significant findings around nutrition research, but that is total speculation. So I I just don't know. Yeah. And thinking about like the amount of effort this kind of thing takes, even though it's every five years with this release, like the amount of time behind the scenes reviewing research, like synthesizing data that is so time consuming. I do that in a different capacity for work with like these five-year planning cycles and implementing different things. And like, yeah, maybe something only happens once every five years, but you do so much planning and work in the background between those sections. So yeah. No, that makes total sense. But yeah, that is enough history. So let's dive into the the newest guidelines, which um I'm super excited. So the first thing I want to point out is that the new dietary guidelines for Americans are 10 pages long. And honestly, this would be a great executive summary. The way the information is presented is pretty visually pleasing. Um, someone did a good job with like the way it's organized, not putting too much text in like big long chunks and using white space and with images. So visually, it I think it looks great. This would be a great way to reach the general public, honestly, if that was your intended audience. Um, but we know it's not. If you go back and look at previous editions, they are much longer, much more dense, text heavy, and have a lot more data, right? How much data can you put into 10 pages when it's like designed in such a visually pleasing way? Not a lot.

SPEAKER_01

But it feels like if that's just the guidelines that leaves like so much room for interpretation, you know? So it's not really giving guideline. Yeah, I just feel like there's so much room for interpretation with 10 pages, whereas like 164 pages, your questions are probably answered somewhere in there, which is like 10 pages. It's like, aha, I don't know. Figure it out, heart.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, yeah, the previous version, 2020 to 2025, like you mentioned, is 164 pages. If you just go. No, you're good. Go right ahead. Because I was like, what? Yeah. And if you if you do go back and look, like it does have those guidelines, but then it'll summarize the research about why they recommend such and such a thing. So it it gives you the evidence base, and that's the part that really is designed for practitioners versus like with this new guidelines, it looks like it is not designed for practitioners because it doesn't tell you why they're recommending certain things. At least not in very much detail. Um, so the very first page of the new Upside Down Food Triangle, um, which I'm sure that you and most of our US listeners have seen by now, it has been all over social media and the nutrition and wellness space. Honestly, I did spend some time debating like, do we want to cover this? There are a lot of people already talking about this, but I just think it's super interesting and I wanted to talk about it. So that's why we are adding yet another perspective on the guidelines. Um, but from this picture alone, the front page, it makes it look like you should eat a lot of meat, a lot of dairy, and a lot of vegetables with like just a tiny amount of whole grains. And this is not exactly what science tells us is a healthy and balanced diet.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. I was just gonna say, I feel like this is a stark contrast from like what I have been seeing on social media too, a little bit is that like this administration just like hates fiber. Heaven forbid they have a decent poop, I guess. I don't understand because a lot of recipes I've been getting are a big push for like eat more fiber, but then the administration is just like just meat. So I get it. I don't understand this. What war on protein? Let's talk about the war on fiber. Do we not want to have peaceful poops? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00

Anyway, sorry, please continue. Like, right. We'll we'll talk a little bit more about the quote unquote war on protein, which by the way is not a thing. Um, but yes, just looking at the picture, which I'm sure that you have seen, that's not how you should eat. And the what they actually say does not match the picture. So we're gonna talk about that too. Okay, yes. Um, so on page two, there's a message from the secretaries. I could spend a lot of time ripping this apart. It calls for people to, quote, eat real food and names poor diet and sedentary lifestyles as large drivers of chronic disease. And that is true, but the messaging itself is steeped in diet culture and hypocrisy. So, for example, we culturally understand real food to mean whole foods and minimally processed foods like fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and lean protein sources. But when you say real food, that doesn't actually have a scientific meaning. Like when I'm I'm gonna do a long run after we record. And so when I'm running up a mountain, do you know how many gels and Pop Tarts are going into my mouth? Like those are real food. They have real calories, they have real sugar, and they give me the energy that I need to do my mountain workouts. Um, so like what is fake food? Like, all I could think is is it that plastic food that your toddler plays with my play kitchen?

SPEAKER_01

I'm just picturing RFK dude where at his like test lab and it's just like one of those like little Tyke's kitchens.

SPEAKER_00

Like, that's what it's doing. You're so right. Yeah, my friend has a four-year-old, and I'm pretty sure she has one of these play kitchens, and I'm just like picturing her like playing with the plastic fruit and like pretending to cook and stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but here's the thing is like she's probably more qualified to be secretary. Oh, 100%. The Department of Health and Human Services and R. Um Well, I was gonna say, I'm sure we'll get into this, so if we do, you can stop me and I'll save my diatribe for it. But the focus on the diet culture of it all doesn't really allow for the conversation of like systemic issues and societal issues that benefit affect health. So it doesn't account for the social determinants of health. Where, like, yeah, you want to eat better, but it's also like, well, do you have access to the food? It doesn't account for that. So it's yelling at someone to like eat healthier, eat better, eat more whole foods, not fake foods, whatever, is not accounting for the fact you're cutting snap benefits. So it's like, how are they supposed to access food now? Or like they live in a food desert. How are they gonna get these unprocessed foods? It doesn't account for that. And I just think that's so stupid. I think you are foreshadowing what's coming.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you. Oh, excellent. So another thing that they talk about that I found really hypocritical and annoying was they talk about federal incentives, hello, big food lobbies, influencing poor nutrition policy. And they say, this is a direct quote: we are realigning our food system to support American farmers, ranchers, and companies who grow and produce real food. And the Trump administration is working to ensure all families can afford it. This is not actually true. In March, beginning in 2025, so oh my gosh, that's one year ago, the administration cut$1 billion in funding for pandemic era programs that literally brought locally grown food to schools. And so I'm not really sure how this move um strengthens our food system. And I really wish I had a cricket sound effect loaded I could just play right now. And they also talk about quote reclaiming the food pyramid and returning it to its true purpose of educating and nourishing all Americans. Okay, the food pyramid was replaced by my plate in 2011. That is 15 years ago, because people literally did not understand the pyramid. It was confusing. Um, side note, if you visit myplate.gov, it redirects you to the new realfood.gov and more on this new website later. Um, but giant eye roll, have you seen or used my plate before? Oh, 2011.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So I remember my plate because I think I had one more health class in high school, but then I don't think after that I really talked about my plate until my one nutrition class in college I had to take. Um, so I wasn't in the uh era of really being able to kind of dive into my plate, but I remember seeing posters of it and being like, wow, this makes so much more sense than a food pyramid, because again, we all eat off of a plate. So it's like easier to kind of break it down of like, okay, I need this much of this to like cover my plate.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're exactly right. Like the plate is like, okay, if I'm gonna make a meal, how much protein? How much carbs, like how much fruits and vegetables versus the pyramid is like, okay, over the course of the day, I should be eating more of these things and less of these things, but how does that look on my plate? So my plate is super intuitive. So, anyway, the next claim that I want to talk about is they recommend consuming full fat dairy with no added sugars and three plus or minus servings daily based on individual needs. So, newsflash, you can have a healthy, balanced diet without dairy. Like it is not necessary. Plenty of people are lactose intolerant and literally cannot eat dairy without severe GI distress. Um, vegans don't eat dairy at all for dietary preferences, and they can still get enough calcium. And so, from what I understand of the evidence, both full fat and fat-free options can have their place in a healthy diet. But this really boils down to one preferences. Like maybe you like the taste of fat-free, maybe you like the taste of full fat. It tastes a little different. And then also individual needs, like if you have goals to gain weight or if you need to eat more calories, full fat dairy is a good way to do that. Versus if you're trying to lose weight, fat-free dairy, cut some calories. So again, totally personal. And if you want to know what's right for you, ask your dietitian, ask your primary care provider, don't ask us. We are not qualified to give you that advice, FYI. Don't ask us. Don't ask the internet.

SPEAKER_01

Call us a trained, registered, or board-certified professional. Please don't ask the internet.

SPEAKER_00

Right. We're just here to talk about like the generalizations, but we are not giving you your own individual advice. Um, and then even with added sugars, like those have a place. Like I just mentioned, I eat a lot of Pop Tarts and Gels when I'm running. Like, I need a lot of carbs. Yeah. And like the volume of carbs that I need. Added sugars is really the only way I can get enough without like physically feeling myself too much. And sweetened dairy products are like one way to get some more carbs in. So, again, this is really all about nuance. I know that not everyone is like running trails. And ultra marathons. And so probably don't need all the same amount of sugar that enduras athletes do. Anyway, this brings me back to the got milk campaign of my youth. And Maddie, you're a little bit younger than me. Do you remember the got milk campaign?

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say I saw that. And I vividly remember the got milk because we had so much milk. Like you would get two cartons of it in the lunch line. And that was just a lot of liquid for a child, first off. And I don't know if you had this, Ariel. Okay, remind me, did you grow up in Colorado? No, no, I grew up on the East Coast. So this is like a this is a Colorado specific thing. And I need I need someone to validate this fever dream of mine. So the the Broncos used to have like an indoor football team, if I remember correctly, it was like the Crush or something. I don't remember, but we had like orange crush milk in our schools, and it was like orange flavored milk. And I just I have to look this up because I was like, you are unlocking a traumatic memory. Orange crush milk. Anyway, for my Coloradins, please write in because I need someone else to validate me that if you lived in the Denver area, you had like the orange milk. And it was uh it was traumatizing to me then. It's traumatizing to me thinking of it now. But that's part of our like got milk. It was so gross. It was so gross. I don't really like orange flavor to begin with, and milk was even worse. Like strawberry's already kind of pushing it. Like, don't do any more fruits. Yeah. Do you do you drink milk or do you eat dairy products now? I do like um mostly yogurt, non-fat yogurt. Um, I love cheese. I'll do cheese and yogurt, but I don't think I will sit down and drink milk. Oh my god, this is another funny story. So my friend Cassie is one of my best friends. And there was one time in college we went to a Starbucks on campus because it was like the only coffee shop open light. And um I was like, oh, what do you want to drink? I'll go get you your drink. And she's like, Oh, can you just get like a grande 2% milk? And I looked at her. I looked at her and I was like, absolutely not. I'll pay for it, but you gotta order that. I'm not ordering that for you. That's not true. So she I know she drinks milk. Drinks milk drinkers doing this. It was probably one of the funniest moments in our friendship. Like, I will not be doing that. I'll pay for it, but like you gotta go order that. Yeah, that's embarrassing. I tease her about that constantly. This is probably back in like 20, 2017.

SPEAKER_00

Ugh, I don't drink milk. Like, I don't sit down, drink a glass of milk. I put a little bit in my coffee, and I also like yogurt and cheese. But yeah, I don't just typically drink a glass of milk. So yeah, another thing in the new guidelines, they talk about healthy fats and include accurate information about sources of healthy fats, but then they also recommend cooking foods in butter and beef tallow. Like, look, you can put those things in your diet if you want. We're not gonna shame you for cooking in butter and beef tallow, but they are very high in saturated fats, which are the unhealthy fats and should be limited. In the guidelines themselves, like if you read the text, they recommend limiting those unhealthy fats to less than 10% of daily calories consumed. If you cook everything in butter or beef tallow, you're gonna climb above that recommendation really quickly. Also, if you look at the quote reclaimed upside-down food pyramid on the first page and eat the foods pictured there, you're gonna be getting a ton of saturated fat, far more than the 10% of calories recommended. So the picture here just is not aligning with the recommendations. And this is like a really elementary communications error. I don't have a background in communications, but like your pictures should match the words accompanying them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, and that's also really frustrating too, because cardiovascular problems are one of the number one pillars of women. And a lot of that is actually caused by tech buildup can be caused by higher cholesterol and things like that. So yeah, like that part is just really frustrating to me because it's when the picture doesn't match the recommendation. People are gonna do this unwillingly leading themselves into high cholesterol. And that's hard to come back from. That takes like a lot of dietary and habit changes to lower your cholesterol and things like that. Like, so it's yeah, that's really frustrating, especially when it's such a pressing issue of like how many people it kills per year in the US. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So love that example of hypocrisy. Another recommendation that they have in the new guidelines is quote, consume less alcohol for better overall health. So, yes, this is true. We know that any amount of alcohol is unhealthy. It is also linked to several types of cancer, including breast cancer and cancers of the head and neck. No one wants that. So, yes, limit alcohol, cut out alcohol. It is so bad for you. It is a known carcinogen. And so while it is good that they encourage less alcohol, they don't give you a specific amount. So, for example, if you drink five beers a day and then you go down to four beers a day, like yes, that is less alcohol, but that's still so bad for you. The previous guidelines gave way clearer guidance on this. They recommend not drinking at all, but for those who do up to one drink a day for women in up to two drinks a day for men. And I drink far less than this. I would feel like complete shit if I had a drink every day. Um, but again, the vagueness of drink less alcohol. That's not helpful. No, that's super unhelpful. Yeah, I don't know how much the alcohol lobby was involved in the guidelines. That's a whole other story. So maybe that is why we are just here.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I was gonna say probably a decent amount. But you think it's a little bit better to like the data with it and then just say reduce or limit alcohol intake because then it allows people to be make a little bit more of like educated decision on it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it would be helpful, I think for sure to see some data. But again, the way this is designed, it looks like it's designed for the public and not for professionals and people working in this field anyway. Like, we know the science hasn't really changed, and so we're not like, oh my gosh, this is groundbreaking information. Basically, this is what we've been saying this entire time. Yeah. Shocking. So the new guidelines also mention populations who shouldn't drink at all. But you know who they didn't mention? They didn't mention people under 21. So if you weren't sure, please don't fit feed your children alcohol. Hey, what? Yeah, like they say like people who are pregnant should not drink alcohol. I think they mentioned people who have issues with alcohol abuse shouldn't drink, but I didn't see anything anywhere about people under 21 not drinking. So I thought that was interesting. But maybe they forgot, maybe they couldn't fit it in their 10 pages. I actually need to go back and look after this.

SPEAKER_01

Just major eye twitch.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. There are a few pages in the guidelines about the needs of infants, children, and youth. Uh, my favorite part here is that they do not recommend any sugar for children under 10 years old. Do you remember like going to a birthday party as a kid and having cake and ice cream? Like, or if you are listening to this and you have kids, like, don't you want your kids to be able to have a piece of cake and some ice cream at a birthday party? Um, so I think the no sugar or no added sugar is very unrealistic. And then from a diet culture perspective, not like letting your kids have sugar and then fucking up their relationship with food, like that's also extremely unhealthy. Like these things should be enjoyed in moderation. Right. Um, and food is so much more than just nutrients. It's about culture, it's about connection. And those things are really good for our health as well. So it's not just about like optimizing the nutrients you put in your body, blah, blah, blah. Like enjoy your food too.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Well, and I think there's a level of they're kind of ignoring a lot of the psychological aspects of food because if you tell someone don't do this, they're gonna focus on that and they're gonna want to do it. So I think there's a psychological difference between being like no added sugar and limit added sugar. Avoid added sugar if possible. And again, it goes back to social determinants of health of like, can you even access food that doesn't have any added sugar? Is that even a possibility? Because sometimes the only fruit you can get is the little fruit cups or canned fruit or things like that. And that's gonna have added sugar in it, you know? I think they're kind of missing that aspect of like you can just use limit.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they're not kind of missing it. They have completely missed it. Like, not only are they off the bullseye, they're not even on the target, it feels like here.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

These are the people making our guidelines and they're completely missing the target. Yeah, with the sugar piece and stuff. I just think about I grew up in the 90s, whose parents didn't have a fucked up relationship with food. Like, I cannot believe I don't have a raise raging eating disorder or that like I never had a raging eating disorder in my life based on um kind of the environment with food that I grew up in.

SPEAKER_01

And if you had parents or family that like promoted a healthy relationship with food, the surrounding environment that that we were in, especially like as women, was crazy. Cause I know like my I my family, like they were really good about having like a healthy relationship with food and like promoting that. But even when we you were still looking at like advertisements at magazines, at on TV, things like that, like if you're surrounded by that, promoting a healthy relationship with food can only do so much when you're just in that environment.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, when it's everywhere. And I think back to myself in like middle school, and I used to think I was fat, and I 100% was not. Like I, if anything, probably was not eating enough.

SPEAKER_01

And we were children. And we were children. That's the crazy part to me is I think I kind of feel the same way of middle school and high school. I'm like, oh my god, we were kids.

SPEAKER_00

I know in high school, I can't remember what grade this was. I had to take a health class and we had, oh my god, the worst. We had to do a food log, you know, to like see what you're eating and you're learning about the different macronutrients and calories. And I literally can't remember anything that I learned except I turned in my food log, oh, I can't believe I'm saying this on the microphone. It was like 1200 calories a day. I've been an athlete my whole life. Like I was a gymnast at that point. So it must have been like ninth or tenth grade. Which and I was a high-level gymnast, and like that's not enough. No, like that's that's you are expending so much energy. And and I remember one of the questions was like, Did you eat enough protein? Because whatever percentage of protein you're supposed to eat in mine, of course, is low because everything was low. It's like, I did, it was the right proportion. And I can't believe the health teacher like did not immediately call my parents and be like, your daughter has a problem.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Or even like talk to you about being like, Hey, how do you feel physically when you eat this? Do you feel like you're performing at your best? I feel like there's like a little level of counseling that could have been done too. That's really alarming.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I was never diagnosed with an eating disorder, and my relationship with food is much better. And now in my 30s, I have a much better understanding of what I need and I eat way more. But like I think of myself as a gymnast and then switching to running. I ran in high school, I ran division one in college. I know for a fact I was not eating enough in college, and it was totally unintentional, just because the volume of food that you need is huge. And I had no idea we didn't have a dietitian working with our team. Like I was eating a lot, but the timing wasn't great. It just wasn't enough. And I think of, well, I was pretty fast, but like, how much did I leave on the table? Because I could have eaten a lot more and feeled myself better. So I think about that a lot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And that's frustrating. Like I can imagine it in the athletic sense, but also you think about it, you almost like mourn that for your younger self. You almost feel like I was like doing a disservice just because I had no idea, which is no one's fault, but I can imagine that being really hard to like back upon about being, I wish I loved myself a little bit more when I was younger and like said it was okay to eat more. And I needed to. And yeah, I kind of have those moments too of like I wasn't, I was an athlete in high school, but and I was like the world's least athletic D1 athlete in college, um, because I was a mascot. And those are still me there. I just needed a shit ton of water. Um, but like, yeah, I look back and I'm I'm like sad for myself almost of like I feel could have had a healthier relationship with food and I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I agree with you. And now too, I'm what kind of like injuries and health issues am I setting myself up for in the future because of the way that I fueled or didn't fuel myself all throughout like college and then even into my 20s, I'm I realized after working with a sports dietitian, I was underfueling for so long, but I just had no idea. You didn't know. Yeah. Anyway, I have taken us way far away from the topic of the guidelines. Um, hope you enjoyed it. This is a really good conversation, though. Yes. So moving back to the dietary guidelines, because I've taken us off track. I do want to say that while there is some weird BS in there that we've unpacked, there is a fair amount of accurate information. Like I'm not gonna just shit all over all of it because it's our current administration as much as I would like to. For example, for most people, it is a good idea to limit added sugars and saturated fats. And for certain populations, like children, pregnant people, and older adults, um, they have unique needs. It is also true that the standard American diet is unhealthy and that most of us could benefit from some dietary changes. Like I'm not here to tell you that the way that Americans eat is perfect. It is far from it. But the things that will actually lead to better nutrition at the population level are systemic. And Maddie, you already talked about this earlier. So some examples are things like making full-service grocery stores available to everyone. Like there are plenty of people who can't get to a grocery store because they live too far away and they have to do shopping at like gas stations and convenience stores and places like that, you know, don't have fresh produce, and you're really limited in what you can buy. Another example is by funding food assistance programs, like you mentioned, SNAP, and then making them less restrictive and not uh placing more rules and conditions on them. Another thing you can do is pay people enough money to be able to buy nutritious food because let's face it, it's expensive. It is a lot more expensive to buy things like fresh produce than it is to buy pre-packaged, ultra-processed foods. People know that fruits and vegetables are good for you, but if you can't afford them, if you don't have a place to store or prepare them, like all that education in the world is no good. It's not gonna fix the problem. We don't exist in a vacuum, we exist in a system, unfortunately. And so this brings me back to realfood.gov that I mentioned earlier. Um have you checked it out, Maddie? I am gonna be honest, I haven't.

SPEAKER_01

I'm scared to like click on click on the link. I'm scared.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I would definitely recommend perusing it. Um, but it talks about how conditions like obesity, diabetes, and heart disease are real issues in the US. And yeah, those that is absolutely true. But then goes on to talk about how, quote, real food is the solution. And like I said, they're not wrong that the standard American diet is negatively impacting people's health. But the answer is not just to tell people to eat real food, to eat produce. We know this. We're not stupid. The answer is in those structural and political changes that make it possible for people to access this food. And I feel like we could do an entire episode on corporate influence in the US food system. So I don't really want to dive into it now, but you cannot personal wellness your way out of the structural problems. No, it's not about buying the latest supplement. It's not about having a continuous glucose monitor, which by the way, if you're metabolically healthy, having one of those literally, there's no point. There's no like scientifically shown benefit to having one of those.

SPEAKER_01

No. Well, and the other part is it's like, I almost think sometimes we have too much information about our own health. It's like sometimes it becomes more stressful. It'll get you riled up about like the littlest things that you don't really need to know about because it's those fluctuations are healthy if you are metabolic, if you don't have type 1 diabetes or type 2 diabetes or are prediabetic. I we don't, I don't really think we need all that. I used to have an aura ring and I was like, this is too much information about myself. Also, that face I was making earlier, I am scrolling through realfood.gov and it just gives me the ick. It gives me the ick. And it's got the stupid Mike Tyson commercial that really pisses me off.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Okay, can we talk about the Mike Tyson commercial? Did you watch that?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. I I was watching the game, um, and I think I was like, I turned to Kyle and I just started yelling. I was so pissed because it's like there's a way to promote healthy eating. There's a way to promote not eating as many ultra-processed foods, there's a way to encourage more awareness around what you're eating and what you're putting into your body, but like you can't do that and cut snap benefits. You can't do that and make it harder for people to access food in general, whether or not it's ultra-processed. And you can do it without being a fat-shaming asshole. Like, I that was the biggest part that had me so pissed off is this sort of like fat phobia that this administration has because it's like you can be fat and still be really healthy. Like you, how much you weigh is not an indicator of your health. And that's so frustrating to me that people don't really get that and then are still continuing to cut access to food and then are blaming it on individuals. And I could go on this forever, but literally, Kyle had to leave. He's like, I'm just trying to watch the Super Bowl and I'm yelling. And so now that's those are my thoughts. Yeah, you're out.

SPEAKER_00

You're absolutely right. Like the fat shaming is so disgusting. Two things can be true at once, right? Like excess body weight can contribute to metabolic disease, and people don't have access to the things that they need. And we don't need to fat shame people. We can better our systems, we can get people resources, but just being like, oh, I'm fat and nasty, I hated myself, like that's not helping anyone.

SPEAKER_01

No, it's not it's not helping anyone. And again, a lot of people, I know like some friends who have struggled with eating disorders. They are obviously waiting more now because they're healthier. And it's like that sort of promotion is not having any sort of awareness to people who have finally gotten to a healthy weight or they are finally healthy and they just happen to be fat. It's so tone-deaf and literally it's just some being assholes. It doesn't even have to do anything with health to me. Like you're not accounting for any sort of health anything, you're just being an asshole on national television. You paid millions and millions of dollars to just be a dick. And that's millions and millions of our dollars, by the way.

SPEAKER_00

Tax money.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's an even better part of it. Like I forgot about that part. You spent my money, my tax dollars, my hard-earned tax dollars to be an asshole. Hooray. Anyway, those were those were my thoughts. Ariel, what were your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, pretty much the same as yours. Horrifying, the fat shaming, the missing the mark, the yeah, not really getting at the root of the problem. So that's America. Okay, so another thing I want to talk about with the new guidelines in realfood.gov, if you scroll to the bottom, there's an AI chatbot called Rock, and you can ask questions about like about the dietary guidelines and about kind of nutrition advice. And I didn't spend a lot of time doing this. I think I was trying to, and my computer was just being really slow, and I was like, I don't have time to do this right now. But do you follow Dr. Jessica Nurik on social media?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I love her.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so she had at least one post, probably more, about Grok and how she would ask Grok something and then what Grok said like would not match with the guidelines set. So again, it's like that inconsistency of information of what's in the new guidelines and what the science actually shows. So that's super confusing. But I would definitely go and and see if you can find that post. I will.

SPEAKER_01

She does such a good job of breaking it down in a way that you can understand. So if you need someone to get good health information about current events, anything like that, follow Dr. Jessica Nurik.

SPEAKER_00

She's she's my hero. She is awesome. She's a registered dietitian and she has a PhD, and I'm not sure if that is in public health or in nutrition science, but she really breaks down a lot of kind of current events that you're seeing and claims being made, as well as nutrition information, because that's her background, and she's fantastic.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

She loves in Denver.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, she lives in Denver! She lives in Denver. You could be besties.

SPEAKER_01

I swear to God, if I ever see her, I'll probably will scream. She's nichely famous, and I think if I saw her, I'd go to her and be like, I'm the biggest fan.

SPEAKER_00

I wonder how much of that she gets to public. She has a I don't know how many followers, but she has a lot of followers. For good reason, she should.

SPEAKER_01

She honestly, she deserves all the followers. The fact that she's in Denver, oh my god. She's got 1.6 million followers.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, my mom is always like, You should invite her to be on your podcast. I'm like, mom, we can't pay her enough, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01

No, she would literally just have to do that out of the goodness of her heart and the entire time. It's just gonna be me fangirling. I'm just gonna sit there with my jaw on the floor, like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So maybe maybe one day when we get a little bigger with a bigger listenership, but that's that's not in the cards for now.

SPEAKER_01

We can make that a goal. Maybe let's make that like a five-year goal of got getting Dr. Jessica Nurik on our show.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Um, so the last thing I wanted to talk about with the guidelines is who the fuck wrote them. So normally the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee, which is a a group of independent nutrition experts, wade through complex data to make recommendations. And I don't buy for a second that industry has never had a hand in any of the guidelines, or there has been plenty of industry influence, uh, but it's especially bad, I think, with the current document. Um, so anyway, in normal times, folks on this dietary guidelines advisory committee are very thoroughly vetted, and committee meetings are live streamed with opportunity for public comment. So very transparent, as government should be. But anyway. There was actually a legitimate committee formed by the new guidelines before the second Trump administration was in place. But surprise, surprise, their report was rejected by the administration. A quote supplemental scientific analysis was instead completed by a group of people selected by a quote federal contracting process. And while they claim that scientific rigor was used, there's not really any transparency, so no one can verify this.

SPEAKER_01

Saying you use scientific rigor, like that's not uh that's not like a definable thing. I could say I use scientific rigor when picking out my coffee this morning. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I believe there's no uh standard definition of scientific rigor. It's more of a concept. Yeah. Um, so anyway, the most telling sentence in the Scientific Foundation for the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, which is the document that the Trump administration used to explain their new process, says that, quote, the scientific report of the 2025 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee, which framed its analysis through a health equity lens. In contrast, the Trump administration believes that the central framework for the dietary guidelines should be the best available nutrition science centered around what humans should eat to prevent and reverse chronic disease and support optimal health. Accordingly, supplemental scientific work was undertaken. Anyway, that was a direct excerpt from the document. And excuse me, health equity is at the center of the best nutrition in public health science. Like we said this before with the social determinants of health, it does not matter one bit what the quote best foos are for you if you cannot access them. And this report just spends a lot of time shitting on health equity, and like I cannot take it seriously. I didn't read the whole thing, it was 90 pages, but I read a bit of the beginning and wow is all that I have to say.

SPEAKER_01

Like you said, the core of public health is health equity and making sure that people have access to what they need in order to be their healthiest selves and actively dismantling those systems that keep them from accessing what they need. And you like can't do that when you're promoting the systems that keep people unhealthy. I think that a lot of people can get sucked into this like maha sort of mindset, is they make one really valid point and people are like, okay, yeah, I agree with that. And then it sucks them down this rabbit hole because yeah, people should not eat as many ultra-processed foods, and you should eat more than processed fruits and vegetables. If you and if you don't have the sort of like public health background or like go seek it out, like you'll kind of get sucked down that rabbit hole instead of thinking at it with like a critical lens of well, what if like people can't access this? So I think it preys on people who don't have that sort of understanding of health equity or public health.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly. And like we have advanced degrees in public health, and we spent a lot of time studying this. So not everyone does need to have that deep understanding, but like that's literally why we hire people to fill these roles. And the people in these roles right now are uh maybe a little bit of a joke. Yeah. But you also read my mind when you said they will say like one valid thing and then a bunch of like other shit. That is so dangerous. Like the fact that they mix factual information and then pseudoscience makes it very, very hard to tell what is true, what is not. And that is a tactic used in many industries, not just around nutrition. Um, it shows up a lot in nutrition, but I I recognize that everywhere and like people aren't experts in everything. And so it's easy to make them fall for false information when you kind of mix it with fact. It's like, yes, we apply the science, but then within that, there's individual nuance, like people just react differently to different things. So it takes kind of that discerning, trained person to kind of sift through all of the research, like this is gonna be best for you in your own situation. Listen to qualified professionals. There's so many influencers who use themselves as an example of, oh, it worked for me, so it'll work for you. No, sorry. Yeah, just because you were successful does not make you an expert. Yeah. So as I mentioned, there's the mix of science and pseudoscience. And I myself am not a nutrition expert, so I am sure there is stuff in there that I am missing. Another thing that had me going, ew, is that they criticized the original committee for recommending plant-based proteins over animal-based proteins, but this is scientifically backed. A 2020 JAMA study of over 416,000 people found that eating plant protein was associated with a lower risk of both heart disease and death than eating animal protein. And then not to mention, plant protein is far more environmentally friendly than animal protein. This is not an episode about climate and environment. Um, human health is really closely linked to environmental health. So you can't just ignore that fact. I think we could probably do a whole episode on that alone, is I don't want to get into it here. Also, if you hadn't guessed, the experts in this new group have ties to the meat industry and dairy industry and food companies. Yeah, big cow. So, like, obviously, this new convoluted upside-down triangle features beef and dairy products. Like, that's that industry influence. And that's not to say that all experts working in industry or the private sector are bad. Like, there are some very smart and amazing people in industry. One of my best friends is a biologist, and she is working in the private sector and she does amazing work. So it's not like everyone is doing bad things and like has these nefarious motivations. Um, but when you're doing government work, the shit just needs to be transparent. But money talks, it influences, so you just have to follow the money, and that usually takes you to where you need to go.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

But and I think we could Big Cow. Sorry. Big cow. I think that we could go on at length about shadow figures behind the new guidelines, but I really wanted to call out these main points as food for thought. Okay, I I will leave you with this final question. Do you want to stick your head in the sand for the next three years while all of this nonsense continues to play out?

SPEAKER_01

No. No, I don't. Well, and I think that's a great question for the listeners. I kind of do. I'm not going to, but like, I want to. It sounds really nice. Like, I have uh very few handful of friends, like maybe one or two, who are really purposefully ignorant and a lot of this stuff, and I'm like, God, your life must be so much easier. Oh, to not be aware, not to be burdened with thoughts. What is that like quote from Vanderpump Rules? It's like um from Stasi where she's like, I am not burdened with these things, such as like not looking and not knowing. Ignorance is bliss.

SPEAKER_00

Ignorance is bliss. That is it for the dietary guidelines. You did so great. That was awesome. Oh, thank you. Um what do we what do we have for public health and pop culture?

SPEAKER_01

Well, we'll make it quick for public health and pop culture. Um, I don't really think this has anything to do with public health, but I wanted to talk about it because this is an aspect of pop culture that Ariel also knows. We're gonna talk about F1 because the F1 season is upon us. Um, and also Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton were spotted together at the Super Bowl. And I guess they were just spotted in Arizona like this morning yesterday. So the romance is heating up, but there is a Kardashian curse, so we'll see. Lewis is not looking promising for you, my guy. Get out while you can. I do not like the oh man. I I love to be a hater.

SPEAKER_00

I know you do.

SPEAKER_01

I was a Kardashian girl, forced to be a hater. Kim Kardashian hates to see you coming. Hates to see me coming. Like, I don't Kim Kardashian is kind of a threat to public health because they promoted like a lot of really unhealthy things in like well in the sphere. And because they have such big influence, a lot of people I feel like are falling for it because they're like, oh, the Kardashians do this, I should do this. So it was like weight loss lollipops that like suppress your appetite for weight loss and waist trainers and those weird vampire facials, that was gross, and all this other stuff. And then and the Bush song was weird. That's so weird.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So these this is my thoughts. So we can talk a smidge about F1. The season is upon us. Did you know that they changed a bunch of the rules for this coming season? I can't.

SPEAKER_00

There's no DRS anymore. Yeah, I don't think changed a lot of rules. My husband is a huge F1 fan, so he pays way more attention to the details than I do. I like to watch the races and stuff, but I uh just am not as in tune with everything going on behind the scenes. I just like the memes and the races. Same.

SPEAKER_01

That's usually how I am, but I was like doing a lot of digging. Wow, a lot of things are changing. They're like changing the the like shape of the cars. Um, something's different about the floorboards, they're changing the wings, there's no more DRS zone. Max Verstappen's very upset about it, but I don't really care about Max Verstappen. So sorry, are you a Red Bull fan?

SPEAKER_00

Did I just No, no, so I am more interested in individual drivers than I am in teams. Like none of the teams really kind of speak to me. I get that.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, who are your people?

SPEAKER_00

Um I love Carlos. He is my favorite driver. He's so classy.

SPEAKER_01

He's he's so classy. He's so nice. You can tell he's genuinely like really all about it. And I think one of his one of his favorite moments of me, so I'm a Williams girly because I was like, I love an underdog. And I love Williams. Um, I love Alex Alban, but uh I loved his moment of one of the races, I cannot remember what race it was last year, but he crashed early on, but he like jumped into like Alex's camp and was helping them do race strategy and stuff. And I was wow, what a good team player! Like you can tell he genuinely wants people to do well instead of just being upset that he was out. He like immediately jumped in to help like strategize for Alex. And I think Alex did really well that race too. Yeah, Alex had a good season last season. I did also see a funny thing. Um, I'm now no longer a Hughes Brother fan because they went to the White House and have their MAGA hats, but I saw a really funny tweet that it was like, Do you think Quinn Hughes sees the same ghosts as Carlos Sainz? And now I can't see it on his face. Because like everyone's a little crossing zone out. I'm like, is a Victorian ghost speaking to you? Oh, that's so funny. Um that was it. I just wanted to talk about Ep1. Oh, and I think the new season of Drive to Survive just came out.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, it came out I think two days ago. We haven't started yet. We had friends in town this weekend, but I am like ready to start watching it. They left this morning, so I think tonight is the night we dive in. Also, for the listeners, I am going to the Japanese Grand Prix in just a few weeks. I'm very excited.

SPEAKER_01

I'm so jealous. You have to send all the pictures. That sounds so cool. Are you so excited? I'm so excited. What are you most looking forward to?

SPEAKER_00

I am excited to like see those cars up close. I myself have no interest in driving. Like, if there is one thing I could outsource, I would hire a chauffeur. I don't like driving. I don't want to drive an F1 car, but I really appreciate the engineering. Like those cars are so cool, and the drivers are extremely skilled.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. There's so much skill behind it and so much strategy that it's so interesting that I think a lot of athletics have that you don't really think about in car racing, but there is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure. Like I'm with you. I used to be like car racing, like big deal, but it really is an athletic endeavor. And individuals are very talented. And I will never have that kind of talent with driving. Same.

SPEAKER_01

And their neck muscles are they're ripped with neck. Like, be able to exchange like the G-force of like when you're turning at that speed. And I didn't really notice it until I think it was one episode of Drive to Survive. I think it's Alex, don't call me on that, but he's like doing like neck exercises. And I'm almost like, his neck is so ripped. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Such a specific muscle group to train.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, what are you most excited for about Japan?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, the food. I've been to Japan before. The food is so good. Nice. Oh, that's so exciting.

SPEAKER_01

Sushi every day.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, do it. I mean you have to. All right, should we jump into some recalls?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Okay. This week in public health. What's on your shelf? So, in addition to the ones that we have previously listed, because there's a lot of new ones, so I'm not going to go back over the old ones. But this week we have the Savannah Bee Company, which is a barbecue sauce. Um oh, this is really sad for me. Undeclared wheat and soy. And this is why I have trust issues with food, is because there's undeclared wheat and things, and then I get sick, and I'm like, why am I sick? Um for the listeners, I have a gluten allergy and it sucks. So yeah, so if you have an intolerance to either of those, chuck it. Let's go with the next one is rhino chaco V-I-P 10X. Wow. Um they uh recall they are recalled for undeclare tadilophil.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I in my head I read that as tadalophil. I don't know how to say it.

SPEAKER_01

That makes more tad that makes way more sense to go off of pronounce it however you want to in your head. Anyway, it's T-A-D-A-L-A-F-I-L. What a fun word. I don't know what that is. So if you know what that is, let me know. Or if you don't know what it is, send me your funniest guess. Why not? Oh, our next one is Quest uh cat food chicken recipe that's frozen and it may contain low levels of vitamin B1. So if you get that for your cat, kick it out. Um the next one is great value. They're cottage cheese rip. I'm starting to get into the more cottage cheese. So if we were talking about dairy and I forgot to mention it, I'm just starting to get into the cottage cheese for like adding more protein to stuff, so like blending it and putting it in things because I definitely don't need enough protein. I don't cook. I'm bullying Kyle into doing it into my food. But it's being recalled because it's not fully pasteurized. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no. Yeah, we don't mess around with unpasteurized milk and milk products.

SPEAKER_01

No, I have a really funny story about raw milk that I don't know if I'll share it this time, but one of these days I will share it. This is, oh, baby, this is the best one. Um, boner bears. What a name.

SPEAKER_00

Boner bears chocolate syrup.

SPEAKER_01

Chocolate syrup. I'm so glad I left this as like a surprise for myself. Um and it's being recalled for undeclared Sildenophil. The stuff that's in Viagra. I didn't realize that. Well, you learned something new. Chocolate syrup? Viagra? No, that feels like I don't know. I don't think that should be a thing, but you know, I let me like per my last email. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. People do some weird shit. People eat weird shit. People do eat weird shit. Um, and for this is my new part of my presidential platform is I will keep Viagra out of chocolate sauce.

SPEAKER_00

I'm in my new I'm voting for you. No men and no Viagra and chocolate sauce. No men, no boner bears.

SPEAKER_01

We'll run on an anti-boner bear platform. Oh my god. Okay, next up is um elite treats. Um, there's no Viagra in this one, ladies and gents. It's a dog treat and it may be contaminated with salmonella. God, salmonella's added again. Um, our next one is made fresh salad for their various cream cheeses and tofu spreads, which I don't know what that has to do with salad, but whatever. Listeria, add it again. And then another one for Quest. Quest is really having a bad time right now. Um, this is their freeze-dried nuggets, not the frozen cat food. Um, the company name is Go Raw. Don't feed your pets raw food. Don't do it. Specifically, raw chicken, like that's don't do it. Cook the food, please.

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That's it.

SPEAKER_01

That's my thoughts. And that's it for public health. What's on your shelf? If you have any other questions of what happened last week, they're in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00

And that has been another episode of Public Health Group Chat. Throw your pyramids away, limit those saturated fats, think about things with nuance.

SPEAKER_01

Call your congresspeople, tell them to make access to food better.

SPEAKER_00

And for the love of God, don't eat boner bears.

SPEAKER_01

Don't put Viagra in chocolate sauce.

SPEAKER_00

Keep your Viagra in your Viagra.

SPEAKER_01

Keep your Viagra in your Viagra. That's Bobby's group, chat. Keep your Viagra in your Viagra.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my god, that's so funny.

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