Global I Am — Episode 4: Dr. Dennis Kimbro - Think and Grow Rich, the African Code

Global I Am -  Episode 4: Dr. Dennis Kimbro
“Think and Grow Rich: The African Choice”

In this powerful conversation, renowned author, educator, and economic thinker Dr. Dennis Kimbro joins culturalist Max Rodriguez for a far-reaching discussion on wealth, legacy, vision, and the future of Black economic consciousness.

Best known for his groundbreaking adaptation of Napoleon Hill’s philosophy through works such as Think and Grow Rich: A Black Choice, Dr. Kimbro has spent decades exploring the principles of achievement, ownership, discipline, and generational prosperity within the African diaspora.  And he is still only beginning. 

Together, Kimbro and Rodriguez examine how “being in the black” is not simply an accounting term — but a visionary framework for imagining the future, building institutions, and redefining community wealth in the 21st century.   

This episode of Global I Am explores a larger idea increasingly central to the movement: that community itself may be one of the world’s most undervalued asset classes.

A conversation on economics, culture, self-determination, and the architecture of possibility.   A conversation around the prosperity of love. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hi, I'm Bill Houston, co-host of Global IM and founder of Crowdmax, a national leader in finance and crowdfunding. I've worked across the global diaspora to bring community dollars into every interaction, every dollar, and every level of consciousness. Since the bipartisan 2012 Jobs Act expanded access to investment, our focus has been turning participation into ownership. Global I am curates this vision for a better humanity. We invite your questions, your ideas, and most importantly, your deal flow as together we make the world better one deal at a time.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

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SPEAKER_03 1:20

We are honored today to have the one and only Dr. Dennis Kimbrough, and I'll explain the one and only as we move down as we move down the aisle here. But first, let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Dennis Kimbrough. He is the quiet architect behind generations of black executive and entrepreneurial ascent, a management thinker whose seven-year study of nearly 1,000 black millionaires helped up operationalize wealth discipline for the modern era. As the best-selling author of Think and Grow Rich, a Black Choice and um and the wealth choice, his work has inspired millions while intellectually scaffolding a community now wielding more than $2.1 trillion in annual buying power. Wow. With Global I Am, he stands as a strategic proof that mindset, management, and money properly aligned moves markets. Welcome, Dr. Kimbrough.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Max, thanks for having me, man. You're doing the Lord's work over there with the Harlem Books Fair, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Thank you so much, my brother. And you know, I'm glad that that you you you offered me that. Um let's talk about think and grow rich. Um and and I I dare say that this is going to be a little different conversation. Uh so first let's talk about the context within which the idea came to you to write the book. What what did we look like economically? Who were we? And and again, what what was what were the circumstances that prompted you to say we need this?

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Yeah, that's a great question. And uh I want to defer back to uh uh 19 uh 84, actually a little bit before 84, and I was about to defend my dissertation at Northwestern, and my committee chair said to me at the time, he said, Dennis, don't look at the dissertation as a requirement for your degree, look at it as your first book. And I was studying wealth and poverty among underdeveloped nation states, and I defended successfully. I was granted uh, you know, those three letters at the end of my name. And I immediately turned to my wife and I said, Pat, I know my first book. And um I said, you know, how I study wealth and poverty. I only want to study wealth, I don't want to study poverty, and I don't want to study nation states, I want to study individuals, and so I went on the on the task of identifying all the peak performers and game changers out there. I knew them, they didn't know me, and slowly but surely I just uh set on the task of interviewing there. But Max, here's an interesting point. I was in corporate America at the time, and uh working for a pharmaceutical company, and they transferred me to a land of Georgia with uh intention of me being a district sales manager or sales moving up the pipeline and all that, and I was calling on a doctor in my territory, and uh I was sitting in the waiting room of his office, and you've been into waiting rooms of physicians and doctors, they got 50 million different magazines on in tables and everything. Well, Max, this will blow your way. So I'm seated there and I inadvertently just reached over to grab a magazine. It was an old issue of Time magazine that Martin Luther King when he led the Montgomery bus parcount. And in that article, it said that when Dr. King led the Montgomery bush in 1955, there were only five black millionaires in the United States. I asked the doctor if I could have that uh issue. He said no problem. I went home and wrote letters to all five. Four of the five were still living, and those five, of course, TM Alexander, John Johnson, Ebony Magazine, uh uh Charles Clinton Spaulding, North Carolina Mutual Insurance Company, S. V. Fuller, and A. Gaston. And Charles Clinton Spaulding, he was the only one who had transitioned, but that didn't stop me from driving up to Raleigh Dorm and spending two and a half days interviewing his business partners, interviewing customers, and interviewing members of his family. So that was a task. I was crazy at the time. I was a maniac with the mission. When I look back, I think to myself, and I said to my wife, if anybody ever attempts this again, they're gonna have a team of resources and the like because it took me seven years. But Max, the good news is slowly but surely the word was getting out of what I was doing. And so much so that Success Magazine contacted me, they heard what I was doing, and um it flew me up to New York. I sat down with the uh the executive uh editor, and he asked me to write a series of articles profiling black salesmen and women based off of my findings. And to show you how naive I was at the time, Max, I I offered to give him the manuscript. Here, take whatever you want out of the manuscript, and he said, you know, we like your writing style, we want you to specifically write for us. So I wrote the three articles, and at that time, the Napoleon Hill Foundation and Success Magazine were basically married at the different.

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SPEAKER_02 8:00

Clement Stone read the articles, it didn't take him but a hot second to find my number, call me up, and uh told me to come up to Chicago, and that's when he gave me Napoleon Hill's last, what was going to be his 17th book. The book he was working on at the time of his death, and that the working title he had on the manuscript was Blacks of Growing Rich. He got a hundred pages into the manuscript, died of a stroke, he was 87. W Clement Stone asked me to finish the book.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

My my mind.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

You can call her the metaphysician, you can call her a mystic, but um she was certainly a master of the law of tracks, and she says, the monster, what you're looking for is looking for you. And I've had so much, you know, synchronicity, so much timely connections thrown in my past that you know that really made my task easy. And one of them was a book that I just and it wasn't I inadvertently gravitate to, but when I saw the title, something said, Oh, this might be interesting to read. And the title of the book was called The Achieving Society. I don't know if I don't know if the Harlem Book Fair carries it, but um, it was called The Achieving Society by, and he was a professor for 25 years, David McClellan at Harvard. In that book, Max, he says, every group, every race, every culture, every people, every ethnicity has at least one individual who will ascertain the keys to success for future generations. So I read the book, and after reading the book, I turned to my wife and I said, Well, this guy says every group, every culture, every race, every ethnicity, every tribe. I said, Who is that individual in Black America? Now, this was in the early 1980s, and she said, You tell me, and I, you know, I'm here I am full of myself at the time, didn't have a dime, didn't have a quarter. All I had was a briefcase full of interviews, and didn't even know if anybody would ever gonna read this book. And I turned to her and I said, Well, I'm gonna be that individual. And so that placed me on the path, and then I had to make a decision in 1986. I was still working in corporate, and I I turned to my wife and I said, I said, Pat, if you give me 18 months, I promise you I'll finish this book. She said, Are you sure? I said, Yes, won't be won't be a minute, won't be a moment past 18 months. Well, that 18 months turned into a total of five years, but thank God I did finish.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

Amen. Indeed, indeed. So let me let me let me ask you this then. You as as the visionary, oh, I have too many questions. Uh you as the you as the visionary, um, what do you see from then to now? The visionary to the manifestation of the vision. I remember an old uh Virginia Slim's commercial. Uh Virginia Slims, the the first cigarette, right? For women. You've come a long way, baby. That's right, that's right. So have we come a long way, baby, or not far enough? And if we have, tell us why. And if we haven't, why do you think we have not?

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Well, let me take the back end of that question first. I mean, unlike any other group or people or tribe, what we've had placed, you know, before us for anybody else will probably be insurmountable. And uh, but here's the key. Um, when you look at black America right now, and I would like to think that I had a hand in it because I remember when I started out on this task of any uh interviewing black millionaires, and even for my fifth book, Max, the put the pushback that I received in the process. Like the so why is this important? The millionaires, come on. They would do what can they tell me? I mean, we just didn't have a mindset wrapped around wealth, and in 1897, our most prolific scholar, WB Du Bois, wrote The Negro and Business. And Max, I am a Johnny completely. I'm not anyone special whatsoever. Du Bois was doing this at the turn of the century. So in 1897, he wrote he writes Negro and Business. Uh, you could probably only get a copy of it at your better university libraries because it's an old book, more than 800 pages. And within the first 30 or 40 pages of that book, uh, he offers three profound quotes that will answer the question for you. Number one, he says to be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land full of dollars is the very bottom of hardship. Number two, he says the man or woman who won't control his and her finances won't control anything else. So when he was talking about anything else, he was talking about, you know, anything else. Dropout rates of our kids in uh, you know, in middle and high school. Because right now we can't even find 30% of our kids in high school anymore. Um the lack of home ownership, we're you know, we're barely at 42%. So if you don't compare, you know, care about the money in your pocket, what do you care about all these other ancillary problems that we face on a daily basis? We are the only group, man. We're the only race, we're the only cult. When we get up in the morning and our feet hit the cold floor, more than 50% of our race is in survival mode only. Wrap your head around that. And then last but not least, he says, nothing positive will ever occur in a community that fails to circulate its knowledge. So I offer that in a Socratic method will allow you to answer your own questions based on those quotes by the boys.

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Okay, okay. Let's let's move let's move here. Um, what what will we find for those readers? Uh the book published about uh 20 years ago, yes.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Well, thinking we were rich at Black Souls, 1991.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Right, right. So so for those of us who have not yet experienced the book, have not had the benefit of your findings, um, tell us about the book. What what will a reader today, a 20-something-year-old who picks up the book, what will they find? What what will you what will you share with it? I know some of the tenets that you hold true to the book, like be principled and have faith and have perseverance and use imagination, and and these are time trusted, time-tested and and through work tools. Uh but but what what will a reader today find useful in reading, think and grow rich?

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Well, I found four common chords in um to all the the folks I interviewed. And um at the time, like I said, uh there were only five black millionaires, but there were there were several more. And so, over a course of seven years, um, I would like to think I interviewed the game changers at that particular time. Um, John Johnson, S. P. Fuller. People ask me all the time um whether some folks you wanted to interview and you proposed to interview. And there, and there were a couple. Uh, I couldn't get a hold of Barry Gordy. Barry Gordy was the only one who flat out said no. And um I remember when um I attempted to interview uh Michael Jordan, and I sent there was no email at that time, no text messaging or anything like that. So I sent letters to his team, and um I must have sent about maybe max, maybe three, maybe four times I tried to reach Jordan, and uh after the last time I received a phone call from Michael Jordan's personal attorney, and he said, he said, Dennis, I love your project, it's so necessary, it's so needed in the community, but you can forget interviewing Jordan, and I said, Why not? He says, because, and he Jordan was married at the time to Juanita, and uh he says, because I I handle his money, I handle his money, Juanita's money, and he doesn't return my phone calls half the time. But he said, I'll tell you what, if you come to Chicago, you pick the restaurant, any place you want to go uh here in Chicago, either lunch or dinner, I will take you out to lunch or dinner, and you can interview me because there's no one on this planet that knows more about Michael Jordan than me. And so I did do that, and uh, we had lunch at the Four Seasons on Michigan Avenue. And then last but not least, um uh at that time I I tried uh I reached out to Reg Lewis and I got the okay to interview him. And I was going through his um communications director, a gentleman by the name of Butch Miley, who handled all his communications, and they were excited about I was going to interview him, and I was equally excited. And they said, you know, he spends a lot of time in particular Paris, he's over there now. Just uh hold your horses. As soon as he comes back to the States, we'll line it up. Well, Max, you know the story. As soon as he came back to the States, he wasn't feeling well. He has a battery test, and they discovered brain cancer, and the rest is history. But having said that, his wife uh Lolita, she finished his biography, and she flew to Atlanta on business and told me she was coming, and she came to the B school at Clark, Atlanta, and she gave me one of the first copies of an autograph, and she said, Here, Reg wanted you to have this, and so that and I had several nice touches like that. Um, but you asked the question, what did I find? Well, I found four common cords in everybody identified. Number one, top of the list, they dream big dreams. These were dreamers. You don't get in life because um, you know, you wanted too much, you get in life because you settled for too little. These individuals had that big dreams, and nothing was gonna stop. They had a dream, an ambition, something that they desperately wanted to accomplish in their life. Number two, they were interdirected versus outer directed, and you've heard the mantra, you know, uh, where your attention goes, the energy flows. Well, they took care of that. Why? Because they have focus, and that's what I tell my my business students to this day. I tell them, and I tell anybody what is your superpower? Your superpower is focused. Now you look at McKinsey's a great consulting company, and they they conducted a study that every time that you are focused, every time that you are distracted, it takes minimum, according to McKinsey Consulting, 27 to 30 minutes to regain your focus. So, how many times during the course of the day are you distracted? So, focus is your superpower. So, when I say interdirector versus out of director, no matter who, I don't care if I'm with Condoleezza Rice, I don't care if I'm with Jesse Jackson, I don't care if I'm with Cornell West, I don't care if I'm with George, I don't care if I'm with the owners of Essence Magazine who I happen to interview. When I say interdirector, they know. Power. Why? Because they didn't manage the time. They managed the distractions. So number three. This individual flat out refused to fail. Now I'm not saying they didn't fail. But failure was not a viable option for them. So I got a chance to interview John Johnson on several occasions. Had to be about three times, twice in Chicago able to meet up with them. And the last time that I met that we had a meeting together, that he gave me the opening quote in the wealth choice. He said, No, I never failed. I said, Well, what about all the setbacks? And when you know that the people close the door in your face and this and everything. He said, I can call that failure. I said, Why not? And he said, Because I'm the only one who keeps score. I am the only individual. And that led me to you know, persistence. And what is persistence? Persistence is the level of belief that you back in yourself. What did Jesse Jackson tell me? He said, You may not be responsible for getting knocked down, but you are certainly responsible for getting back up. And then Henry Park in his office in you know Baltimore, Maryland, and he he he puts his fists out like this to me. And he says, Young man, in one hand I have a dream, in the other hand, I have an officer. Which one grabs your attention? So that was the that was the mindset. And then last but not least, these individuals, readers or leaders, constantly consuming information, constantly elevating the skills, constantly reading, you know. So, you know, and and that's what Janetta Cole told me. You know, the the man and woman who you know who refuses to read, you know, uh you will what did she tell me? Zach I said, either read or learn to fail gracefully. And so, you know, we don't go to school again, according to Janetta Cole, when she was the first black female president at Stoner College. She said, You don't go to school one third of your life, school as a day of your life. Life is lesson. So she said to me, said, Young man, I uh suggest that you teach yourself women. And I said, Yes, Dr. Cole, I will do that. So those are the four common words that when you look at those 100 pages that Napoleon Hill I was gonna reinvent the wheel, he did not have chapter headings. He had, and I got the manuscript. You're in my study right now, you can go on the back of my study and uh and go ahead and see, and um and let me see that hold on a second, let me go get it. I'll show you. Okay, so here we are. I'm gonna show you two.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

This can you can you read the title of that for us, uh Dr. Kimbrough? Blacks Blacks are Growing Rich.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

You're looking at the last 100 written pages of Napoleon Hill from his wow from his Hamilton typewriter. So he didn't have chapters, he just uh it was his writings, but here's the key, Max. You know, even to this day, uh, some folks, man. How did you rip off Napoleon Hill? Man, how did you get to use that title? I said, This is Napoleon Hill's book. This was his last 100 written pages, and why was I selected to finish? Because he profiled a number of folks who I actually interviewed. He didn't at Napoleon Hill didn't have the interviews, I had the interviews. He profiled him in the book, he profiled John Johnson, he never interviewed, he never met John Johnson. I interviewed him several times. He profiled Tim Alexander, who was one of the five black millionaires at Time Magazine. He never met Tim Alexander. I spent a half a day with Tim Alexander in his home right here in Atlanta. He profiled A. G Gasker. I spent a better part of a day with A. G. Gasker. So I had a number of the interviews, so all I could do is add color to it. And um I was gonna stay true to the game. And if he kept harping on one particular subject, I would write it down. Well, maybe this would be a chapter. Maybe let's take a deep dive. But the principles never change. And what what I also did that I um that I think is different from other folks. Now, there are many different adaptations of Napoleon Hill's books. Thinking what Richard Black chose is not an adaptation, it's his book. Got it. You got so many books now. If he would have lived one year longer, like I said, this would have been book number 17. Now, here you are in my study. I have the majority of all his books, even after Log's success, which is his first book, and he made his first fortune on that. Uh interesting story, that some of the folks, and it took him, you know, like damn near 20 years to do it. And some of the folks who he had interviewed were still living at the time, and they saw how Hill's lifestyle changed when that book was released. It made him a millionaire. He didn't buy one Rolls Royce, and you know, Henry Ford was still living, Alexander Graham Bell was still living, um uh uh William Wrigley was still living and the like. They grabbed Hill by the back of his shirt, but you know, like this, and said, Young man, haven't you learned anything over 20 years? So he was he was still a work in progress, and um, some of the folks that we read today that we don't know who influenced Napoleon Hill, top of the list, or sweat martyr, even even Ernest Holmes, even um Phineas Quimby, Phineas Quimby, you know, um, influenced Mary Baker Eddie, who came up with Christian science, all the great mystical teachings. So, what made Napoleon Hill different was Napoleon Hill looked at this law of attraction and law of success, and all the great you know, mystical writers, and what he did. He said, Well, I don't want to talk about love and I don't want to talk about relationships. The only aspect I want out of this is wealth and abundance, and that's what he did. He just pulled wealth and abundance from all the great writers, and some of you um, if you do your homework, because I have all of his books, Robert Collier. I know you heard of Robert Collier. Robert Collier wrote six books, and it was in his last book that Robert Collier's family said that Napoleon Hill got definite purpose from Robert Collier. So I like to add color and the like, and the only reason why I do that, Mac, you know, we gravitate to this position. Nothing happens cosmic happenstance. You know, if you're gonna gravitate to read and thinking, bro, Richard Black Choice, you just don't walk it off the corner to do that. You're thinking there's something more out there, there's gotta be more out there. I tell my students all the time. There were eight times that Moses climbed Mount Sinai, and one time he climbed it and he stayed up there for 40 days, just like Jesus 40 days and nights through the wilderness. But the first time that he climbed it and he saw the burning bush. And when he sees this bush that's on fire, but it's not being consumed. Now, Moses was a scholar at the time. He didn't see smoke, he didn't see ashes, he didn't see embers, it wasn't being consumed, it was all on fire. And the first thing going through Moses' mind, now that's something you don't see every day. I mean, look at this burning book. No one ever taught me that. You know what? There must be something more out there in life that I don't know. So I tell my students, why are you willing to pop down a hundred and forty thousand dollars, come all the way to Atlanta from four corners of this, you know, continental United States, when all your buddies are back home who told you that you're going to college, now they're working at Walmart, now they're working at Target. So, what is different from you and your buddies? I said, you saw the burning bush in the bottom line, when you grab my riding or whoever's riding back there, you have an inkling there's more to light. There's something else for me to do. This isn't the be-all end-all, that this is a revolutionary, evolutionary process.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

Yeah, and Dr. Kimbrough, he here here's from all that you've shared with us, here's what what I've garnered. And why I would recommend that that the generation, those who have not yet read the book, uh just grab it off a shelf and immerse oneselves in it. Because you said this. You said our understanding of persistence is to be tenacious, right? Is to is to do it again. But that's not what I heard you say. That was not your definition of persistence. Your definition of persistence. Yeah, your definition of persistence is your level of belief in yourself. Yeah. And that is the engine that drives you to get up again. Oh, yeah. It's not the getting up, it's the level of belief that you have in yourself. And that is a timeless truth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

And that's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

I'm gonna ask you one last question. I'm gonna ask you one last question as we wind up. And if you were to write, this is gonna this is a trick question, so I'm I'm I'm I'm prompting you here. If you were to write a book today, what would the title be?

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Well, I am writing a book today, and it's thinking.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Well, how did I well, how did I know that? Maybe it's because I'm the proud of the Holland book. I told you was gonna be a trick question.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Think and Grow Rich, Africa and Beyond. So, what I'm doing now, and and one of the reasons why the uh random house, my editor, um wanted an updated version of Think and Grow Rich. And I said to them, you know, the book is uh more than 30 years old. I would like an anniversary edition. And they said they didn't want an anniversary. What is an anniversary edition? All right, like 20 years old, 25 years. They just put a new sticker on on the cover page, and then Wally Amos, who had transitioned and wrote the forward uh to my book, my my book and Hill's book, he's no longer with us, so I get somebody else to write the forward, and that's it. That's an anniversary edition, and Random House didn't want that. What Random House wanted was a revised edition. And what in the world is a revised edition? It is a rewrite of minimum 20% of the book, and they gave me the names of the folks they wanted me to interview and blah blah blah, and so I left money on the table. I accidentally leave money on the table, I'm gonna get the money one way or another because I'm gonna finish the book. But at the time, I left money on the table because I'm not gonna rewrite 20% of this book when I can write a new book that will be the sequel to this book. Uh, I'm not gonna tell you, but you can imagine who were the folks that they had on the list that they want me to. I'm gonna interview them anyway, God willing. But our world has gotten small. And now you have uh I will be in uh Uwanda uh this summer because they have a Thinking Grow Rich Africa conference in Africa. They have they have thinking grow rich conferences in Africa. We don't even hear out in the United States.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Right. They are life years ahead of us. And that is exactly the intention of the work that we're doing around global IM and to connect, to connect the diaspora so that each of us, wherever we are, can have access, can know what we are doing, have access to those markets, but more importantly, to fill in those gaps, those information gaps that are vital for our growth, for our economic growth, uh our generational wealth. So I'm really happy uh to hear the title of your of your forthcoming book. Do we have do we have a uh do we have a pub date on that yet?

SPEAKER_02 37:02

No, uh I'm still in the interviewing phase, but um I'm excited about it. And I'm you know, my goal, and and don't get me wrong, this is not about personal anger and discement, this is not about narcissism, it's not about ego, and it's certainly not about patting myself on the back. But we've got a whole generation out here that needs to hear this information. The only reason why these folks ran me an interview because they knew they hey you got people out here that need to hear this, and all this book is is a vehicle. That's all it is is a vehicle, and I remember at the time folks thought I was crazy, I was out of my mind, and even questioned the sadity of my wife. Girl, this man got a PhD from this school, and he's not working, he's going around it. They need to hear it. Here it is now. When you look back, and here we are in 2026, you got black millionaire cover, you got the fire, you know, um culture out there, retire early, and you got young uh folks chasing the bag. I would just like to think that I had a hand in that because we didn't walk off the corner and say, oh man, that would be great to have. This is all a part of evolution. That's very good. We are locked into you know artificial intelligence, and we're like babes in the woods. I try to tell folks, man, yeah, there's one form of intelligence that's far and above artificial intelligence. I said, What's above artificial intelligence? I said, soul intelligence, soul intelligence is based on feelings, yep, it's based on feelings, it's no longer needs and wants. How did you get that idea? Man, I felt there was more to life. Why did you do ABC XYZ? I just had a feeling in my gut.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

I just mindset utters. You know, Dr. Krimbrough, we we are we have run short on time, uh, and and certainly we can keep this conversation going. I know already, without asking, that one of those uh individuals that you'll be interviewing for your book will be will be Patrick Howell with his new book, uh Getting Deals Done. So let's just here here's here's my heartfelt uh hope that um whether it's before or when the book, your new book publishes, that uh you will come and grace the Harlem Book Fair. Oh, yeah. Um yeah, we we'd love to have you there. We we'd love to to help energize our audience with your vision, with your wisdom, with your experience. We so look forward, and I am ecstatic that you have a new book that embraces the the diaspora and recognizes recognizes our intellect, our grace, our value, our feelings, our intuition, as as sort of the means by which we find our well uh we find our well uh ourselves to generational wealth. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Well, thanks for having me. It's been a great uh talk with you guys and uh call me in a time, Patrick. I'm sorry it took so long, man, but uh I got about 325 students that I teach, not including my doctoral class. So we'll we'll make it happen quicker next time.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

We will we will make it happen. We will make it happen. Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Kimbrough. Thank you, uh listeners, for joining us for another another segment of Global IM. Thank you for our team. Thank you, Patrick Howe, our host, and uh I'm Max Rodriguez, founder of the Harlem Book Fair. Uh uh until next time, we'll see you soon. Thank you. God bless.