8. The Nudge, The Knock, & The Rhino: Learning to Trust Your Intuition

What if intuition isn’t something reserved for a select few, but something we’ve simply been taught to ignore?

In this episode, I’m joined by sisters Heidi and Elise, founders of Innate Abilities and hosts of the Trust Yourself Podcast, for a conversation about intuition, psychic development, feminine energy, and building a life and business that actually feels aligned.

We talk about the difference between fear and intuition, the moments that force us to finally listen to ourselves, and what it looks like to trust nudges before life turns them into “rhino moments.”

From leaving long-term careers and moving across the world, to mediumship, manifestation, and entrepreneurship, this conversation explores what happens when you stop trying to control every step and start allowing yourself to be guided instead.

In this episode:

• what intuition actually feels like and how to strengthen it
• the difference between fear, anxiety, and intuitive knowing
• why slowing down and creating space matters more than ever
• how intuition can guide major life decisions, career pivots, and business growth
• navigating visibility, judgment, and being misunderstood while building an aligned business
• balancing feminine and masculine energy in entrepreneurship
• trusting yourself before you have full proof or certainty

This episode is expansive, funny, validating, and deeply reflective, especially if you’re currently in a season of change, questioning what no longer fits, or learning to trust yourself more deeply.

Connect with Heidi & Elise:
Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/TrustYourselfPodcast
Podcasts → Psychic Sister Tea Podcast, Trust Yourself Podcast
Website → trustyourselfpodcast.com

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome to the Best Hair Yet Podcast. I'm your host, Lindsay. This is a space for women navigating change, growth, and next chapters and learning how to fall in love with what's next. Here we explore real tools that support becoming, from internal healing practices to the external supports that shape everyday life, like nourishment, finances, and the spaces we live in. You'll hear from me and from women who've walked through their own transitions and are now living on the other side of them. I'm so glad you're here. Let's begin. Welcome to the Best Heard Yet podcast. I'm so excited you guys are here. Yay, we're excited too. Yeah. This is extra fun. You guys feel like sisters to me. So I feel like this will be just yeah, super fun. Let's just start with quick intros. Who are you? What do you all do? What's your story?

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Okay, I'll go first because I like to talk. Um I'm Heidi. I'm the little sister. And I was a nurse and decided to leave that to jump in full-time with a business with my sister that we started. Um, that's been kind of evolving over the last year-ish, but we are now psychic development coaches because we truly believe everyone is psychic and has innate abilities, and we want to help bring that out in people. So we're creating a community membership style, but we also have our own podcast, which is going through a little bit of a rebrand as well. But um, yeah, that's I mean that's kind of what we do.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Yeah, love it. And I'm Elise, I'm the big sister, but shorter in stature. Yay! Yeah. Um, not that that matters. Anyway, uh I used to be an architect for 15 years, and it's kind of ironic because you think that architects are very creative, but in that career, I found that I was lacking my creativity, and I felt like driving that was the fact that my intuition was being suppressed so much. So Heidi helped get me out of that career. I mean, it it was actually a lot of things. There were health issues going on in my family and everything just piling up and me also being afraid of losing that title because I tied that to my worth. And Heidi's like, fuck it, just take the leaf, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Let's go. Pretty much how it happened. But that was what, a year ago?

SPEAKER_03 2:18

When was that? We well, we started, we started two years ago. Two years ago. So I was working and working, yeah, two jobs basically, kind of like what you're doing, Lindsay. And then we started actually, I actually left my job last year, 2025 in uh Jan in March. Okay, oh, February, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

And I left the August prior. So I okay, you know, I did it first.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Yep, yeah, of course. Yeah. So okay, today I wanted to dive into leading an intuition-led life and approaching your business through this like intuition-led way. But before we get there, let's just start with intuition itself. What is intuition?

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Great question. To me, to me, it's just those like nudges and knowings and things that you can't shake off or you can't really explain. But it just feels like like you have you have to do this thing. Like I just, I just know I have to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Yeah. Like to me, it's being divinely led and being connected to a higher source, whether you call that God, you call it a higher self or a greater consciousness. Um I truly think we are greater than ourselves, but we're also connected. And some people like uh so also we didn't mention our our dad was a pastor. So growing up, we were in deep into the religious spheres. And um, some people don't like the word intuition, but they like to call things like that prayer or being guided by God. So so we see it in many different ways, but to me, I also think everybody has intuition, has the ability to listen to it. And sometimes we are listening to it, but we don't even realize that we are, we're just subconsciously, it just felt right. I needed to do that as no other explanation for it.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Yeah. Has there been anything to help you better tune in or listen to it? I feel like it's so easy to hear it and ignore it. Like, is there anything that you've done to trust it more? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

I have I have my favorite story. So because I was I am the type A analytical logical person, it is so hard for me to trust my gut when my brain is saying, no, that doesn't make sense. So I've always been in this, I guess you could call it a beta brainwave state where you're just constantly thinking logically, processing everything. Yep. And what I found is that trying to change that brainwave state is it's actually easier than you think. But the best way to get these nudges is to get into a theta state. And that state is easily achieved when you're doing something, it's either meditation, but some people don't like meditation, or you're doing something automatic that your body can just do. Like for me, it's folding laundry, which I love actually. And I'll tell you why. Because when I put my body in that automatic state, my brain can kind of shut down a little bit. And I'm not logically processing things, I'm just going. And I'm having the ability to really tap into intuitive messages. And sometimes these things just come in so quickly and then they leave just as quickly. And that's when I know it's an intuitive hit. It's not just me rationally thinking, seeing something and then thinking about something else. It's leading to something else. And when I get those brief moments of flashes or images or a word, I have to write it down or text my sister because otherwise I'm just not gonna act on it. Yeah. She's my accountability partner. So everyone needs a buddy. Yeah. But it doesn't have to be folding laundry. It could be, you know, like going for a walk, chopping vegetables while you're cooking, going for a drive, taking a shower, just things your body automatically does. And when you are doing those things, don't be on your phone, because that's the hardest. Usually we just like to fill our brains with things. We just want to, we want to be entertained. And so if we can shut that off for just a second, you can entertain yourself with your intuitions. That's pretty fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

I was gonna say, I feel like really what you're describing is just making space for it to come in. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

Yeah. Which we don't do anymore. We we as a society, we just fill all that space with as much as we can. Yeah. Which I did for about 39 years of my life.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

So I feel like mine's like mine's slightly different only because maybe having ADHD has something to do with it. Yes. But like the way I receive, it's almost like I don't really have to sort of switch on or switch off, but I do have to, well, I do realize that when I am more intentional about being open to receiving, then I feel like I get them a little bit more clearly. Whereas usually I'll just like have this idea pop into my head. And I think at first I was just like, oh, this is just this is just an idea that popped into my head. But then when I'm conscious about it and intentional about it, and I specifically use my spirit guides. And so I'll ask my spirit guides for specific things, whether it's signs or like answers to something. And then I will again kind of create that space. But sometimes I don't. I'll just like say a question in the morning, go about my day, and then like boom, it'll just come through. Yeah. So it's it slightly different. I I like to meditate, but I always fall asleep. So I feel like it doesn't, it doesn't always like I don't remember things. But I feel like for me, it's chopping vegetables, gets me into theta, but also just just being more intentional and then breath work. Breath work's been big for me too. I've been like practicing that more lately too, more than just the deep breathing, but just actual breath work exercises too, have been really helpful.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

But Heidi, you've also mentioned that you're you feel like your ADHD is kind of just a natural intuitive flow state because you are really following your intuition. You're like, oh, I'm gonna do this now.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

And oh, I'm just gonna do this now because that's what feel called. I I I do feel like that, but I also don't like I'm I'm not, I don't know for sure, but it does feel that way because I've kind of always felt very intuitive. And there was only like a short amount of time in my life where I was medicated for ADHD. Um, I just hate the medication, so I just I'm like, whatever, I'll figure it out. So I think that that does kind of help of being almost more in not like more in the flow, but it just feels like I am more easily guided by that just because it's like your ADHD brain is constantly receiving things. And so I don't know if where it's receiving from, but it's getting something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

My best friend has ADHD and she's very, well, I guess type B, I would say. And I always say to her, like, I'm so type A to the point of like I have every second of my day planned. And if it doesn't go exactly to plan, I like freak out. And that's like a recipe for disaster when you put little kids into the mix. So I'm really trying to figure out how to like take that pressure and planning out of my life. And I just tell her all the time, I'm so jealous that you just kind of take everything a step at a time and don't like live in the future and just live in the present and now. So yeah, I'm very much like jealous that you can do that.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Yeah, but see, I I also I'm also a Virgo, and so there's always this like constant inner battle of like, I want to make a list, I want to make a plan, I need structure, but then I'm also just like blah, also Sagittarius Rising, let's just go off and do crazy things and move to Dublin. Um, but like it's a hard thing to find balance in because it's so easy to get sucked into one way or another. And so finding balance is something you very much have to do consciously and you know what I think is fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

I just looking at our relationships, Heidi, I feel like having kids actually helped us balance a little more because when I had kids, I had to be a little bit more tight B. Like I had to just go with the flow because otherwise I was gonna lose my shit. Yep. And Heidi, you found more structure in it. It's so fascinating. We're like, Yeah, that's very sense. Yeah. Yeah. It balanced everything. Yeah. It also sucks sometimes, but um, it's great.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Before we get into the business side, I'm just gonna bring this up because Heidi, you mentioned Dublin. So Bess Her Yet is all about living in alignment and stepping into that next chapter and that new identity when something doesn't feel aligned in what is, you know, from the past or or maybe the present. And yeah, is there anything in terms of on the life side of things where yeah, you've made some steps, you've used your intuition to realign when things haven't felt aligned and make, you know, perhaps a big move like moving to a different country.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Yeah, there's that. Um I feel like I've done that quite a bit, specifically in my career. I've literally never kept a job longer than a year and a half. I've mapped it out and there's never been a longer one than a year and a half. Except for ours now. Except for ours now. This is the first time. I think it's because I have so much creative freedom and it's it's lovely and I love I have the best coworker in the world. So um, but yeah, previously, in the normal sense of jobs, it was always changing because it would it would just start to feel unaligned. And I'm like, I can't do this anymore. And whenever, for whatever reason, whenever something feels aligned for me, I like immediately act on it. I can't sit and think and be like, well, how can I make this work? I'm like, nope, I'm done. Like I've done that with relationships, I've done that with my job. And the funny thing about moving to Dublin, it wasn't necessarily on my 2026 bingo card, but it it was an opportunity that came through through my husband's job. Yeah. And I actually, I was thinking about this literally nine years ago, I was leaving in a my apartment complex that I was living in. And on the, you know, they give you paperwork when you are, you know, ending your lease. And it's like, what's the reason for leaving? I literally wrote moving to Dublin. And oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

She lied.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

I had a whole no, but I love that. No, no, no. I had a whole backstory because I was living in Minneapolis, yeah, and I had just uh not recently, but I had I had been to a Boston Scientific conference because I am a Boston Scientific patient, I guess I would say. Like I have implants from Boston Scientific, and so like I got to do this cool thing about Boston Scientific through them. Learned the fact that they have a headquarters in Dublin, and one of the people that worked there was like, oh, you know, if you ever work for Boston Scientific, maybe you could like work in the Dublin office. And so my backstory was I got a job at the Dublin office at Boston Scientific and selling their stints. Yes, I love it. So it was like my delusional brain, but it was something that was so plausible that I'm like, fuck yeah, I could totally go abroad. I could totally do this. Yeah, but I didn't like hold on to it. Like I feel like sometimes when you're trying to manifest something so specific too, you'll really hold on to it. But I just kind of like let it blow off in the air. That's um that's the key. That's the key. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

And I didn't even know that nine years ago.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

But it took a full, you know, I'm a numerology girly too, and nine is a full cycle. So to me, I'm like, it took a full cycle for that to actually happen. And it didn't come the way I imagined it would. Yeah, but it still came because what's meant for you will never pass you by. Yeah. So when it came, we had only been living in Maine for three years, and that was a place where I was like, it was finally my choice to move somewhere because we grew up moving a lot. And I was like, this is where we're gonna be. Let's put down our roots. We have young kids, they're starting school. I don't want to move them once they start school. Yeah, because we did that and it sucked. Um, so I was like, we'll never move. This is gonna be where we live. And then, of course, then he gets this opportunity and he's like, Do you want to do it? I'm like, fuck yes, I want to do it. Because I would be a fool to say no to this opportunity. But also, as soon as that happened, I almost like jumped timelines in my brain of like, oh, I'm already there. I'm already planning. I already know this is gonna be more aligned. And it just everything has just fallen into place since then. And I think that is how when things feel unaligned and they don't feel right in your body, as soon as you start to open the door for a shift, things will fall into place. And it's like like a like just a domino effect. And even if you're like, I don't know how to do this, it doesn't matter. It'll play itself out and it'll work.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

And being open to it, it sounds like, you know, you could have easily been like, nope, that's not that's not the plan. We're staying in Maine, kids have to be here, whatever. But you know, you sounded pretty open and willing the entire time to to let these shifts to be more aligned for your life come in.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah. And I mean, I did think about the kids specifically too. And my daughter, she was in um first grade, and she has good friends now. And I did feel bad, but I knew in my heart too, I'm like, you're gonna find a good friend in Dublin too. Like I know you're going to. And just I think just yesterday, she told me she has a best friend now. So I'm very excited.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Well, we we moved it like to seven different states when we were kids, so we we knew we would we turned out okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

We're all right, we're resilient.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Yeah, yeah. I think it's funny though, Heidi has this attitude of just like, and when it doesn't feel right, she changes it. She's just like, nope, I'm gonna do something that feels more aligned. And I've always, always been envious of that. Because for me, when something doesn't feel aligned, I'd go through the logical process. I'm like, nope, I'm making money. Nope, I have a 401k. Nope, this seems right, like the right relationship, blah blah la. But it does still come around because, like you said, Heidi, it's not gonna pass you by. We have a psychic coach, Carly Ashworth. She uses this phrase, the it comes in threes, the nudge, the knock, and the rhino. So first you'll get little nudges, your little gut's gonna tell you something doesn't feel aligned, but you're gonna say, no, no, no, logic is fine. And then you're gonna get knocks, and that's when things start happening around you, like, oh wait, this doesn't feel right anymore, but I'm still gonna sit here. Then this the rhino's gonna come in. Something's gonna happen. Maybe you lose your job or the relationship ends, or your daughter gets sick. So that was my path. And it took all of those nudges, knocks, and rhinos for me to make the same decision that Heidi did, but she just came to it a lot faster.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Yeah. I do feel like that's one of the life lessons that I'm learning right now. And I truthfully am not fully there, but historically it has had to have gotten to the rhino because I'm so like tight gripped into my plan or my idea or you know, the direction, the steps that I have set for myself. And yeah, I have in like reflection, it has always gotten to a rhino point, but put me, you know, redirected me on the right path. And I'm finally like, oh, yep, I see it. Okay, maybe I should listen to the knocks a little more.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

I will say though, like it's okay if you have to get to the rhino point because specifically uh unlike people who have a lot of Scorpio placements too, they usually get a lot of quote unquote tower moments, which Sissy is a Scorpio. And so the tower moments are basically that rhino where it's just like, yeah, you haven't been listening. We're just gonna completely tear shit down so we can rebuild it the right way. And so if that's just like your the way you are, though, too, that's also okay. Don't don't beat yourself up over that, Melindsay. I'll get there. I'll get there.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah. Okay, shifting into more of your business. I'm just curious, like, what was going on in your life to make this business come about? Like, how did you know it was the right time? How did this idea even come in for you all?

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Oh my god, I love this story.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

Yeah, we have a fun story. You tell it, Heidi. You say it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Um, oh God, what was it like five years ago? At least five years ago. Five years ago. So Sissy and I have this thing where we like to get psychic readings done together, usually around my birthday's September, hers is November. So we'll just like get psychic readings done. And we did this one psychic reading um with a woman that we found, and it was just like on the phone, like not video, it was just on the phone. And so we were on speaker phone and she was doing her thing. And we kind of told her, you know, like we're sisters, and she's like, Sissy's like, I'm an architect. I'm like, I'm an I'm I'm I was in nursing school at the time, but then she was doing her reading, and then all of a sudden she's like, You guys are gonna work together. And we look at each other like this lady's batshit. Cause I'm like, an architect and a nurse, are you out of your mind? We have nothing in common. What are we gonna do? Right, yeah, are we gonna design a clinic for something? I am so confused. Um, and then and then she kept saying, She's like, Yeah, Heidi, you you can't have a boss. Like, you need to be your own boss. Like, you are not good at working for somebody. And in my head, I'm like, accurate. Yep, but but also like as a nurse, I'm I don't plan on being a nurse practitioner, so I don't know how I would be my own boss. So I was very much confused with what she was saying. And at one point, I don't even remember what else she said, but she said something where Sissy just turns and looks at me and like gives me this like okay face. And the psychic was like, I see you, architect. I know you're not believing me right now, but and like she physically didn't see her. But as soon as my sister made that face, she was like, I see you, architect. I know you're making faces.

SPEAKER_03 19:37

And we're like, And then I got terrified. I'm like, wait, where is she? Started looking around our car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we realized, oh my gosh, maybe she really can see what's happening. Maybe we are gonna work together in the future.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

I think what it did was it just planted the seed. And then, of course, I went on to graduate nursing school, started to be like I was working as a nurse. And then I I don't even remember what sparked the conversation, but I vividly remember, like I can remember where I was sitting. Like I was on my couch late at night, talking to my sister, and then all of a sudden it just kind of like hit us both, and we're like, wow, oh my God. Yeah, we should actually do this. And I think it's gonna be teaching people to trust their gut, like trust their intuition. And at the time, I didn't call myself a psychic medium. I think well, Sissy very much didn't, but she was the one that first started having like mediumship stuff. Yeah. Um, but we just like had this idea and it was a seed at that point, and we just started to like water it and tend to it, and we didn't know what it was gonna turn into or what it was exactly. But slowly along the way, the nudges would come and we would listen to those little nudges right away. And then I remember just like getting online and just looking up like website domain names that we could use, and all of a sudden, like innate ability popped into our head and we're like, oh my god, innate ability, that's so great. And it was taken, and we're like, damn it. And then Sissy's like, wait, what if you do innate abilities? And that one was free.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

So that's how innate abilities was born. Yes. But also, it was just it was so funny because I never ever would have thought I would have a job in intuition and psychic development because I am, as you know, like the type A, and I don't like making people question. I just like saying I'm an architect and people can immediately visualize what that is. I don't like saying I'm a psychic medium, and people are like, What does that mean? Yeah, I don't get it and I don't agree with you. That freaks me out. Yeah. But when I had these things happen to me that I just couldn't explain, like, for example, Heidi and I were out at a bar one time, and I just knew the lady next to me lost her husband. And I guess he had a peanut allergy. And Heidi was like, Wait, what? We should talk to her. We did. Lo and behold, she starts talking to us. We didn't ask her about her husband. She just told us, like, Oh, yeah, I moved here because my husband passed away. And then she told me about her daughter. Her daughter has a peanut allergy. Just like her husband did. And I'm like, okay, I can't, yeah, I can't make this up. Yeah. Right. And definitely a sense. And so what also helped was that when my daughter was three-ish, she basically told me she had a past life. She not basically, she told me she had a past life. Yeah. And because she kept calling herself a boy. And I'm like, honey, that's fine. You can be a boy, but right now you're a girl. And we can talk about that in a couple of years. And she says, No, I'm a boy, I'm a boy, I'm a boy named Abby and Abner. I'm like, what? Whole story about it on our podcast, if you want to go listen to episode 19. Yeah. But that really opened my mind because being a pastor's kid, I am of the mind that, oh, we have this one precious life and then we die, we go to heaven, and la la la, everything's great. And for her to just talk about that and give me facts that I could check back up. Yeah. I was like, oh my God, there's no way my three-year-old knows this. Um that really opened up my brain to maybe there is more to this, and maybe I'm not crazy for thinking these things or having these thoughts. And so, sorry, make a long story longer. I read this book by um Flor Lesync, who is a practicing psychic medium. And just reading it made me believe that, oh, we all can do this because I thought you had to be born with, I thought you had to see ghosts at the foot of your bed to be able to be a psychic medium. But no, we all she made me believe that we all have these abilities. And she, I took her coaching class, and that's where it all started. And I'm like, Heidi, you need to do this too. You can totally do this. And she's like, no, no, no, that's that's your gift. No, no, that's I can't. And then, well, you tell the story of how your abilities came online because that's cute.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Okay. Well, okay. So for me, I was I was I was deep in manifestation. Like, I was like, cool, you're a medium. I'm gonna I'm a manifestation queen. Like, watch this. And so, like, even with like my move to Maine, I manifested basically our dream house, and we beat some other bids. I got that house and two child care spots, which are like a year plus wait list, yeah, and my job all in the same week. Oh, wow. And sold our house for like the price that I had written down and like manifest. I'm like, we will sell it for this much. Yeah. And like all of that in in like one week. And so I was like, obviously, I'm queen of manifesting now. Like, I know what I'm doing. Um so I just was like, this is this is what I'm gonna do. So, Sissy, if you were jealous of me doing whatever I like felt aligned with, I was jealous that she could do mediumship. I said, I wanna, I wanna do that. I'm jealous. But I was doing, I was doing um TikTok lives. I was just doing like tarot readings. Okay. And I was doing it for this one woman. And out of the blue, I just felt this like male presence. And I didn't see anything. I didn't, you know, it wasn't like how I envisioned it would be like in the movies, where it's just like, oh, there's a figure here that I can speak to. It was just like a knowing and a feeling, and I'm like, there's a man here, but he's like young. And I feel like he's showing me at a wedding, and he's at a wedding, and he, oh, I'm getting chills again. And then he took me to like the front row at the wedding, and he I heard it, I heard like him say, He's like, I had the best seat in the house. So I was on TikTok live, and so I'm just like saying all this out loud, and I see this one girl, like you know, in the chat or whatever, and she's just like, Oh my god. And of course I have to like wait for her to respond, like, what? What happened? And she's like, um, she's like, my best friend who passed away, who was a young male. Um, she really wanted him to be at the wedding, and she had pictures of him. And she had she, this is the wildest part. She said that on the front row, she had a reserve sign that said reserved best seat in the house. And I was like, Oh my gosh, that's crazy. I know full body chills again. Every time I tell that story, I get full body chills because I was like, What? Like, even the fact that it was just like literally best seat in the house is what I heard. And then she said that, and I was like, oh my god, maybe I can do this too.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

And Heidi, wasn't that the 8-8, the August 8th portal when that happened too?

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Like, yeah, the Lionsgate portal. I think it was like right, I think it was that either that same day or the day after. But I remember the Lionsgate portal. We did a kind of like this group call thing, and that's when I started shit just started flooding in that day. And so I'm so excited for August 8th this year because I can't wait to see what happens. But um, yeah, I think I think I had that first, that first sort of like psychic medium thing happen. And then right after that was Lionsgate, and I was just like tapping into everybody's past grandmas and like moms and sisters, and I was like, Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

And yes, speaking of businesses evolving, that's literally when we went from like well, we kind of just wanted to talk about trusting yourself and intuition, keep it very general and generic, and that's where like, no, we need to go all in on this psychic mediumship intuition, whatever you want to call it, because we can all do it. Heidi's living proof, I'm living proof. Like, we made you worked our way up. Yes, you too, Linda.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Yes, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

Yes, so it's a you are one of our first clients.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

I loved it.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

I love this.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

So I'm gonna get ahead of myself a little bit, but I did want to um mention this. So, yes, for those listening, I um did business coaching essentially with you all, but you bring in yeah, mediumship. I don't know what you call it, but yeah, just like learning to trust that and tap into that and you force people to practice, which I was so terrified the first time. I was like, I am saying like such BS and they look like I'm completely off, but they like don't want to hurt my feelings. And then you showed me the picture and it was exactly what I was saying. Exactly. Mind mind blown. Um I was talking to a friend about my coaching container, and I was saying, like, I really enjoyed doing that mediumship and like tapping in and listening and like the joy and excitement that you bring when you share some of these like insights with people as they're coming in. And I was like, I was just like trying to shove some sort of like mediumship into my coaching container. And as I was talking to my friend about it, she was like, this whole thing is an intuition-led like mediumship and readings. Like through the whole way, you have to tap into your intuition and trust it to like make progress and ensure you're kind of going in the right direction and landing the right messages that you need to with your clients. And that was just like, I was like, ah, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Your clients are going through big transitions, and you absolutely have to be able to listen to your intuition while you're making those transitions because it's scary, it's not easy.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Yeah, yep. Yeah, I even wrapped up a coaching container with a client yesterday, and she was saying exactly that of like literally word for word, some of the phrases and messaging that I was giving her. She was like, You wouldn't know this, but I wrote down these exact phrases in my journal this morning. I'm getting chills now. Oh, what a mess that I felt like that was a big sign for me of like, yes, you're on the right path, you're doing this. Like, trust it, keep trusting it, keep listening and trusting, and it's going to strengthen this offer, this experience for your clients. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

Lindsay, you and I are like on the same page with the needing a signer sign kind of things. Like, is that a sign? Oh, okay, that's a big one. I like it. But I could be the one that's like, okay, show me a star universe, and I have like a truck past me with just littered with stars. I'm like, uh, is it? Yep.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

Maybe that's not how I thought it would be.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

I said star, not stars.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Yes. Yes, yes. Side note, when I think it was Heidi, when we were doing a reading with my grandpa that came through, there was something about a sign with a black feather. And I like it just to the sign your signs, the only thing my mind could think of of a black feather is that very like stereotypical, like larger, long bird thing, like in a store or outside or whatever. And then it was at least a month after that conversation. I started seeing these little tiny black feathers around my living room. And they're coming from my throw pillows that are on my couch. And it just hit me of like, oh my God, there's the black feather. Like I like it has been, like, it has been here for months, and I've just completely ignored it. And then I actually I have a picture of my grandpa up on the shelves in my living room. And I like, I looked right at him and it just got this like, yes, idiot. Like oh my god, full body. I'm trying to send this to you the whole time, and you like you haven't connected the dots.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

I feel like that's what spirit thinks of us every time.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

They're like, I'm being as blatantly obvious as possible. Yes, even there's times my kids are so like OCD, they just pick it up from me. And then like anything, anytime something's out of place, they'll pick it up and they'll be like my kids did that. Go throw it away. So they would even pick up these feathers and give it to me. And I'm just like, yep, go throw it in the church.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

Well, and that's crazy because they're black feathers. Usually those down pillows are black feathers. So wow, that's so cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Anyways, okay, stepping back a little bit. So you all are learning and growing and trusting this intuition, these messages, this relationship really with spirit for yourself. I want to talk about more of like building a business, like the business side of tapping into that intuition and really having an intuition-led business that you're building. Because we were talking a bit about this before we started recording. The idea that building a business is so hyper masculine masculinized. Is that the word? Yeah, sounds good. And it's really kind of flipping it on its head and really tapping into feminine energy to build a business like that isn't done really these days. And like learning to kind of trust that and go against the grain of all of these quote unquote best practices of you know, all these coaches or whoever that are out there telling you of how to build a business.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Well, I will say we did hire a business coach at the very beginning, and it was probably one of our biggest mistakes.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Um there are good business coaches out there. We made the mistake of the one we chose.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

So talk about tabbing into our intuition. That one was like a little more um, I think, just like masked of like, oh yeah, this sounds good. She sounds good. Um, and we just kind of went for it and just like gave her, you know, nine grand. Why not? Um, but all that to say, as soon as we were in the container, it was pretty clear to us pretty quickly that this was not aligning with us. And we were like, I don't want to run my business like that. Like she was very masculine, she was very driven to go after your clients and like send them ghost emojis if they don't respond to you.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

That literally freak me out. I would like block them. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

I would immediately be turned off from that. Yes, yeah, no, I don't like that. So it was like we didn't even finish it. Like we didn't even finish our container.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

I was just like, but that's but also not all masculine energy is negative energy. That's just like no for sure for sure. Parts of masculinity that we do need. We need to be aggressive at some times. And that is the part that's been really hard for me because I do not like sales, I do not like marketing or putting myself on social media, and you have to kind of turn that on sometimes. But then leading with more of an intuitive business has been really refreshing because also the feminine energy is so powerful if you can really, really tap into it. It's like it's like a volcano, you know, like coming from inside of you and just letting this creativity come out and then trusting that this wild idea that you have is actually gonna maybe turn out okay. Maybe not like how you think you have to do it, but it's gonna turn out really awesome. Um, and the thing that I've learned the most from building this business is that being an entrepreneur is like every day going through shadow work. I have never done so much shadow work.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Social media is like, yes, it is, and the podcast really for me that's yeah, it's forcing a lot of that stuff for me too.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

Childhood fears, yeah, adult fears, yeah. What would they think of me? Oh, who's gonna unfriend me? All of it. Yep. We've lost family members, to be honest, talking about some of the things we've said. So it's been a wild ride, but you do have to just remember that as long as you feel aligned, you know, let these people, they can still be in your life, but they just might be a little bit quieter. Yeah. And that's gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

In those moments, I mean, that's a big thing to lose family members or even, you know, maybe just judgment from others, friends or family. Like, how do you hold on to that trust in those moments, this trust of your intuition in those moments? I think it helps that we have each other. Honestly, sure. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

Yeah. Yeah. Cause Heidi and I have both processed things very differently. I'm always the oh my god, they touch me, they hate me. And Heidi's like, fuck it, it's gonna be okay. But inside, she's also like a little bit like the two. Yeah, but she can hold her own very well. So we both balance each other out pretty well and we just talk and cry about it. But I think the thing that has helped me the most is what Heidi taught me from your improv class is the yes and uh mentality that yes, your thoughts can be true, and so can mine. So you can feel the way you feel about when we talk about intuition and psychic abilities. And I also have my own valid experiences that you can't say are not true just because I know them to be true. So that yes and is like, okay, I feel better. We are becoming gray area girlies now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

It's really weird, which is really confusing at times, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Yes, that is a lesson I've been learning too. Yeah, yeah. Do you have any advice for someone who doesn't feel in touch with their intuition currently?

SPEAKER_01 36:36

I feel like so many people like say this and feel this way right now, and it's for so many reasons. We are conditioned to be disconnected from ourselves. I mean, we're holding a device that is literally sucking away our attention, and we are in such a society of go, go, go, do, do, do, and we're not just slowing down and being present. And I think just asking them to just even look at that in in their own life of how much time do you actually spend being present? How much space do you actually give yourself to be intuitive? Because it's probably not a whole lot, which is fine because that's just what we've been trained to do. And then just consciously having to train yourself to catch yourself in moments. I catch myself in moments all the time, especially I think when my kids are around too, and I'm like trying to be present, then I just find that I've just taken my phone out of my pocket for no apparent reason. And I'm like, what am I doing? No, put that away. Um, but giving yourself those moments to just as soon as you put that awareness in your brain, you immediately are starting to train your brain to pick up on those moments where you are getting distracted or where you are getting disconnected. And just awareness is kind of that first piece. And then you'll start to consciously sort of act on that. And I would also challenge them or ask them, like, have you ever seen signs that you're like, I know that's a sign for something? Or, you know, have you ever had this like nudge or this intuitive hit where you're or you're thinking of somebody and then they call you? Like, there's all these little moments where I think we almost forget that these are intuitive moments. Like we forget that these are our own innate abilities because they're kind of just like masked in the everyday. Um, so I bet you could think of at least a handful of times where something like that has happened, something unexplainable or synchronicities and signs that you you could come up with. So it's not that we're not intuitive because we all are, but it's just we're not trained to see it and notice it right now.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

And I would add to that also give yourself grace when you do get distracted again, because we're going to. I mean, we're human. So don't beat yourself up when you're like, oh my God, I've spent like eight hours on the phone today or computer. It's fine. Baby steps.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

But the thing that has helped me the most has been working on limiting beliefs that I didn't even really realize I had until I really started diving in. And it's the best thing that has helped me is that when I find a limiting belief I have, for example, like, oh, well, I'm not Teresa Caputo. I can't get all of this amazing information like she does. I'm just really scraping by, or I'll never be that. But the thing that you can do when you have that thought, first like visualize that thought and just kick the shit out of it, like put your power high heels on, just be like, kick it out of your brain. Like, nope, bye. And then replace it with if you can't see yourself doing it, at least see places in your life where someone else you know has done it. And if somebody else has done it before, it means it's possible. Yeah. Just like, you know, the four-minute mile. Finally, when somebody breaks the four-minute mile, then oh, what, four more people did it the same year? Yeah. It it's really a mind, it's a belief that you have set for yourself. But once you change that to say, well, why not me? Yeah, then your world really can explode and your intuition can tap, it can come flowing right in. I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

I think a big question that people have as they are in their own journey of listening and trusting their intuition is what is the difference between these intuitive messages that I'm hearing versus fear? How can you tell the difference between the two?

SPEAKER_03 40:27

That is one of the number one questions we get all the time. How can I tell the difference between, you know, my anxiety and fear versus my intuition? And I think it's really as simple as your fear is going to talk to you in questions and your intuition is going to talk in statements. So when you hear something or just get that gut feeling, that knowing, is it just repeating a question like, oh, what if I'm not good enough? Or what if that? Or what if this happens? And how about why is this and blah, blah, blah? Question, question, question. That's your fear and anxiety. If it's intuition, it is just a statement, it is a fact. And even if it's kind of a negative thing, like, don't go that way today. You're not gonna get terrified. You might be like, what? But it's just this inner peace inside of you that's just a okay, I'm not gonna go that way. And the hard part is that you don't always get validation, right? Like, because if you don't go that way, how are you gonna know if your intuition was right or not? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:27

That literally happened to me last night. Sorry, I was walking, I was walking home from comedy night, and I like took this random other way, and it ended up where I like turned, and then it was like this alleyway that got progressively darker to the point where it was like pitch black. And I was like, Yeah, I'm just not. We're not here. Yeah, like it wasn't, it wasn't like a full body fear, but it was just like I was literally walking and then I just like immediately stopped and turned around. Like I didn't even have a second thought. It was just like, don't go that way. I'm like, nope, all right, we're good.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Well, and that also brings up another good point that especially as women, we also have to be hyper aware of our environment constantly. Yeah. So some of it too is just this hyper-vigilance of questioning, oh, this is am I gonna be safe here or not? And that's not always intuition. Not to say that yours was wrong, Heidi, it wasn't intuition, but what I mean is that it's harder for us to even decipher that because sometimes you even if you have like a childhood trauma too, that's just creating this environment where you're constantly scanning, but your body is more in fight or flight mode. So that's gonna give you anxiety. Um, versus when you're being intuitive, you're really more relaxed and it's just information, it is neutral and it is really coming to you from some other place. So it's it's hard to train your mind to get out of that fight or flight mode, which we're constantly in. But once you do have an intuitive hit that you're just like, I think this was my intuition. I'm not sure, but I'm gonna act on it. And you do, the more you do that, the more you're gonna start to feel the energy shift between your fear and your real intuition.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Yeah, I love that. I don't know if I've heard the question versus statement. I really love that. I've heard more, like more of the feeling of like, oh, even like butterflies, it could even feel like exciting, but that's probably not a good thing. Whereas like intuition is just more calm and steady and sure of itself. So yes, I love I love that.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

We've also talked about like the quiet versus the loud. Like, you know, your fear and anxiety can be very loud and intuitions, usually a little quieter. Yeah, yeah, which is annoying. Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

Anything else that you want to share related to intuition, trusting yourself, building a business through this mindset, through this energy? We're still learning.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Yeah, we're for sure still learning. But I will say for also for any ADHD girls as well, when you are in an intuitive business and you are like locked into that creative. Flow and creativity, you will have so many ideas. And the hardest part is to not act on every single one of them all at once. Yeah. I think that is another thing that I'm just like so grateful. I have my sister to kind of like help me bounce those out and be like, okay, like let's focus on one, Heidi. Um, but it's so hard because you're like, oh my God, all these ideas are great. I want to do them all. I want to do them all right now, but you just can't. So just write them down and write them in your energy for the day. Yeah. And I I tell I gave I give myself like a rule of three. So I can like have three at a time. So it's like, okay, you can focus on these three things. See if you want to work these three things out all together. And then if one doesn't work or if a couple like work, you can cycle through the rest of your ideas. But always write your ideas down because an idea came to you for a reason. And it might not be something that you do right now. You might have to put a pin in it, but eventually it'll probably come back. Like we've had a few of those where we were like going for something and then we're like, man, this isn't working. And then we left it and then now we're back to it. So it's a very fluid process, especially when you are in that feminine energy.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

I mean, even for non-ADHD girlies, I experienced the same thing. Like it's just, it's this, it's exciting. It's it's freedom. You're, you know, to be building a business and it's daunting at times to have that amount of freedom, but it's also like, oh, it could be this or that or that or that. And it's kind of at least what you were talking about earlier of I like how you said it kind of that balance of the masculine and feminine, not leaning too far into one or the other, but kind of knowing when to tap which energy for building a business.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Yeah, for sure. And that I feel like I feel bad when we talk about masculine and feminine energy because we do place these, I don't know if it's negative connotations on it, but they're just such strong emotions tied to masculine and feminine. And and I wish it was just energy, you know, like we can have we can have creative energy and we can have dormant energy. It's just, but it's energy, you know, and really playing with that energy when you do become an entrepreneur, I feel like you can move that energy however you want to. You're not really told, you're not being told anymore, which can be scary too for people like me that are like, tell me what to do. Yes. But I think the only advice I want to leave with is that if you are in the place position where you are still in a nine to five and you're thinking about leaving it, or maybe you just want to change careers, but you're not sure, it's gonna be okay. Whatever you decide to do. It's gonna be okay. Because trust me, I was terrified to leave architecture for 15 years. That's all I ever knew. And I thought, my degree is in architecture. I have two degrees in architecture. I can't do anything but architecture. Yeah, that's what society wants you to believe.

SPEAKER_00 46:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Once I like released that, I realized really the world is your oyster. You can do anything. It's kind of terrifying and fun at the same time. Yeah. But it's also gonna work out. So when I'm like, oh my God, I don't have a 401k anymore. Oh my god, I don't have a bi-weekly paycheck anymore. Oh my God, somehow I've made it a full year and I'm still here. I'm okay. I don't know. Like we got refunds here and there that we didn't expect. My husband got a bonus he didn't expect. I'm like, oh wow, yeah, this is working out. Yeah, we just have to trust it. Yeah, which is scary to do.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

The message I personally needed today. So thank you. Just for you, Lindsay. Yes, thank you. Awesome. All right, if people want to connect, where can they find you?

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Currently, you can check us out at Trust Yourself Podcast or TrustYourselfpodcast.com. We're on social media. We are going to be transitioning. So it will be at Psychic Sister T later, like tea as in like the tea you drink because we're still in the tea on psychic stuff. So it will be on Psychic Sister T, but as of right now, it is still on Trust Yourself Podcast. But you know, we're in the in the messy middle. It'll be trenders up until June 28th. I'm so excited though. It's gonna be a fun time.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

Yes. Oh, I'm so excited for you guys. Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Lindsay. All right, it's been fun. Bye. Bye.