The Fourth Quarter Podcast
Living the last quarter of your life with intention around health, fitness, nutrition and joy! Learning from others and tuning in to hear live one on one coaching that educates, inspires and motivates you to move!
The Fourth Quarter Podcast
EP010: Simple Nutrition - We Are Drowning In Information And Starving For Wisdom
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You can grind harder for years and still feel stuck and that’s the moment this conversation is for. We sit down with Patti Moon, owner of Next Level Nutrition, LLC and registered dietitian, certified diabetes educator, and board certified sports nutrition specialist, to talk about nutrition for adults over 50 who want real energy, better workouts, and sustainable fat loss without living on trend diets.
Patti shares her own journey from emotional eating and repeated dieting to a coaching approach built on consistency, accountability, and simple habits that compound. We get specific about why midlife bodies often “rebel” when we train more and eat less, how perimenopause and menopause can change results, and why protein intake becomes non-negotiable for muscle, recovery, and appetite control. You’ll hear practical guidance on building meals around protein and fiber, timing carbohydrates for performance, and using sleep to reduce cravings and improve metabolic health.
We also call out food marketing and health halo labels that make processed products look healthy, plus a clear take on body fat vs scale weight, strength training for longevity, and what to watch for with GLP-1 medications like Ozempic and Zepbound so you don’t lose muscle along with weight.
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Wake Up And Set The Tone
SPEAKER_02Wake up, wake up, and listen up. Welcome to the Fourth Quarter Podcast with your hosts, Doug Telmich and Ted Ania. Tune in as we dive into living your best life in the fourth quarter of your life. Hear from health and lifestyle experts, inspirational stories, learn simple steps to keep you motivated or to help get you started. Finally, join us as we coach others live on air who want to begin a healthy lifestyle or just might be stuck and need a breakthrough. Remember, it's never too late to design to be great. Momentum keeps you motivated, so take a deep breath, lean in, and let's go. Hey, welcome back to the fourth quarter podcast with Doug and Ted. We are excited. This week is going to be nutrition, nutrition, nutrition. And we have an excellent, excellent expert guest coming on with us. I'm excited to have her introduce. Ted, I'll let you do that. But before we go there, man, I was just pumped and jacked about last week's interview with the four people we are coaching live on air. I gotta tell you, Ted, when we took that on, we there was a lot of him and ha and wondering how it was gonna play out and what was gonna happen. And I think both of you and I have agreed that, hey, look, we we are really passionate about getting people from the couch to crushing goals. You know, because those are sometimes the people who are most nervous to reach out or scared to go to the gym or start a routine. And you and I both know that it can happen. It can happen. You just got to start with a couple small steps, man, and and some support, some accountability, some love. And we're seeing that happen. Ted, what I noticed, I don't know if you remember this or if you noticed this as well, but everyone in our group has increased their own goals without you and I prompting them. They've their water is on point, their step count is on point. Some of them are adding in their own push-ups, elevating that whole goal thing. The whole time I'm on an interview, I wish you could see my face. I know this is an audio uh interview, but I'm just like, oh my gosh, like these people are actually, you know, just stepping up and leveling up. And it once again, it just uh validates and proves the power of motion. You know, once you get into motion, you start creating momentum. And once you got momentum, motivation just happens. It all comes from the interior. And I just love, love, love seeing that. And I want to send a special shout out to Charles. I remember when Charles, I think Ted, was you you reached out to Charles, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you reached out to him because you noticed him, he supported us, he was sharing our podcast, and I think he might have mentioned something about not having worked out for 10 years or something like that. And I remember getting his health assessment, and we were looking at it going, oh my gosh, you know, this this could be some work. But it hit both of us in the heart, and this is this is the kind of person we want. It was like, okay, this is a challenge, this is gonna be some work. We're gonna have to get into his mindset and see where he's coming from, what he what kind of goals he wants, and without scaring him off and keep him going. And I gotta tell you, man, this guy has just been crushing what is it, the last 20 days or something like that. Something like that. Yeah, he has just elevated it. We started him off with some simple steps, but now he is on an air dine bike every single day, and he's doing a minimum of 20 minutes, most of the time, well over 30 minutes, and even well over 40 minutes. And he is probably one of the biggest supporters and cheerleaders in our tech support group, and he's just all in. He is just now it's great, and it's great to see it.
SPEAKER_01And I I think Charles wanted health and just needed that little push to get there and get started. Yes. Once he did, he's just he's he's living with it.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and I I think I just want to point out some key factors. Number one, you reached out to him, so I don't know that he would have reached out to us. So good call on that, Ted. You saw something there and you pursued it. So thank you for doing that because there's probably a lot of people out there scared. And I'm I'm saying that for a reason, because if you are listening to this episode or any of our episodes and you're scared and you're like, well, they can't help me, or I can't do it, that's all lies. Somebody has lied to you. You probably lied to yourself, but we are gonna help you break through that and we're gonna keep it so simple and so easy. You're probably gonna laugh at us with the tasks we give you because they're gonna sound so ridiculously simple. Because we want you to learn the habit of winning. And once you start learning that you can keep a promise to yourself and you can achieve simple goals, and then simple goals turn into bigger goals, and bigger goals turn into lifestyle changes. Man, it just starts it, but you got to start somewhere. You gotta start somewhere. So I want to encourage the listeners out there who are on the fence or maybe even terrified to reach out. Please just reach out, have a conversation with us. And as Ted has mentioned before, some of you may not want to be coached on air, and that's okay. We will coach you off air behind the scenes, you know, and maybe you can just let us share a little bit about your story. We can keep it anonymous and all that other stuff. So, whatever you're comfortable with, we are just two dudes that are passionate about helping people get off the couch, get into motion, and start crushing some goals. It's going to take some time. There is a process, but you will make progress. And we just ask that you trust us and trust the system that we put in your place for you and just watch cool things happen. It's it's really exciting, it's really fun. I'm having a lot of fun. Go back and listen to last week's episode with the four people we're coaching, and you can just hear in their voices, in their demeanor, everything that the joy that's being sparked and community, Ted. I gotta mention, we started out coaching one-on-one. Then we had, then you suggested putting them in group text of two people at a time. And then now we have a group chat with all four of them together, and and you and I. So there's this, there's six of us in there, and that chat is awesome, man. I ever ever because we hold them accountable every day. So every day there's accountability going into that text. It's just awesome the way they're cheering each other. Ted, you and I just we're kind of just sitting back and watching this happen. We're not even that's right. We we got them starting.
SPEAKER_01They're starting to do the work themselves now. Exactly. They might charge for each other.
Community Accountability Without Pressure
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and everything we do, by the way, we're we're not charging anyone to do this. We're just passionate about this. And we want to grow this podcast. We want to grow our listeners, and and maybe we have some big corporate people like you know, health apps and like that sponsoring us and paying us to keep coaching people for free. That's our passion, that's our desire, that's our vision, and we're gonna keep showing up and doing the work and see what happens. But that's enough about that. Ted, unless I missed anything, I'm just gonna hand it on over to you so you can introduce this amazing guest that I am excited to listen to, have on, and ask questions with. Come on.
Next Guests And What’s Coming
Meet Dietitian Patty Moon
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. And we're we're looking forward to it. Just real real quick, some housekeeping. Next week, we have uh David Linnell on, and David is the executive director of Meals on Wheels, Diablo Region, and he's gonna be on to speak about Meals on Wheels. I've been fortunate enough the last couple of years to volunteer with Meals on Wheels, delivering to some of our elder people around the area and getting them nutritious meals. So I'm I'm passionate about that. And last year for my birthday challenge, we raised money for meals on wheels. And David actually came out and walked with us and did some push-ups with us, and it was great. So we decided to have him come on and tell us what's going on. There's a lot of new things happening with meals on wheels, and he'll he'll fill us in on all of that. And down the road in a few weeks, we're going to have Dr. Dees and Dr. Locks from Canyon Chiropractic to speak with us just about maintenance and what we can do as we we age to keep our bodies in shape. Nice. Uh they fixed my back for me. Uh yeah, I remember that. That was a cool process. Yeah, and they'll they'll get into that and explain really what they did, the decompression therapy, which has worked wonders for me. So it'll be interesting to talk to them in a few weeks. In the meantime, we have our guests this week. You know, two weeks ago, we had Annaito on, who is trainer at one of the local clubs, and Anne focused mainly on movement and mindset and touched a bit on nutrition. But Patty is going to be on and she is going to focus on nutrition and touch a little bit on movement and mindset, but the focus will be on nutrition, especially for those 50 and above, those going into their fourth quarter. Our guest this week is Patty Moon. She is a registered dietitian, certified diabetes educator, and is board certified in sports nutrition. So without further ado, Patty, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_04Thank you so much. I'm very excited.
SPEAKER_01There's a couple things. You know, in the podcast, when we originally set it up, we we broke it into three segments. We talked about educational, inspirational, and motivational, and had guests in all of those. In speaking with you a couple of weeks ago, you know, we brought you on as an educational guest because of your experience with nutrition, but there's also an inspirational piece to it because you mentioned that in your younger years you weren't as fit as you are now.
SPEAKER_04That would be an understatement, Ted.
SPEAKER_01Well, fill us in. Let us know what's next.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, tell us your story.
SPEAKER_04No, I actually love my story because I think that makes me. What do I want to say? It makes people it makes me relate to people. So when I hear stories about Charles or the people who have a hundred pounds to lose or 40 pounds to lose, I can relate to that. When I was a little girl, I discovered, you know, food to kind of satiate any kind of uncomfortable emotion. And so I was an overweight kid and bullied through throughout high school. I mean, it wasn't, you know, kids are mean, but so in my mind, I was always that overweight kid. Even when I wasn't overweight, in my mind, it played tricks on me and I was always the teased one. But something kind of changed. I'd always been athletic. That's the thing. I'd always been very good at sports. I was never the last one to pick, but I was always eating too much and using food for other things than nutrition, right? And so in my 30s, I think I hit my highest weight was like 232. And I remember that weight, and I don't think I knew how big I was. And not to say big or small, because everybody's very different, right? But you know, shopping at, you know, special stores and things like that. And keep in mind, I was working out this whole time. And I remember once I would, I went to UC Davis for my undergrad, and I was at the gym, and this trainer came up to me and blatantly said, Why are you so big? You work out five days a week. And it hurt. But at the same time, I was thinking, I, you know. So long story short, I found a coach. Of course, I tried a million diets and nutrisystem and really did some damage on my metabolism. But I found somebody and we worked together because a lot of this was emotional eating and things like that. So I worked with him and very consistent. And since that time, I've just devoted my life to helping people achieve the next level. And that's why I named my business next level nutrition. So it could be an athlete doing a mountain bike race, or it could be the guy that's 60 pounds overweight who's just starting walking. And those are actually, I'm not going to say my, you know, I don't want to say favorites, but those to me are the most inspirational. When I see the person who's just getting started, that is so difficult to do. So I just devoted my life to this. And I've been a dietitian for over 25 years. And I'm always in school though. And since I hit 40s and hit the perimenopause, like the hormone changes, it shifted into women primarily in their 40s and 50s are going through this change and men as well. But primarily I coach women, but men are always out there too. And they're they're actually, I don't want to say less complicated, but they're they just have they have different needs. So that's a little bit about my story.
Her Weight Loss And Coaching Story
SPEAKER_02That's a cool story. So tell us a little bit about where so you were what did you say you weighed 225, 230?
SPEAKER_04232. And then I stopped weighing myself because at that point I didn't, you know, it was ridiculous. And I had tried diet after diet, and that's it's so annoying to me that people sell these programs online with calories and all this other stuff, and they don't do the proper assessment that you were talking about. They're not when I talk to a patient or a client, it's a relationship. And usually within a couple minutes, I can tell, okay, this is what we can work on. I mean, I listen to them, of course, but usually it's very obvious. And for me, it was just consistency because fat loss is so slow. And particularly if you've got someone with hormone imbalance. So that's a whole different, especially females.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04They tend to, in my experience, the fat loss or the, I don't want to say weight, but you know, the the weight loss, we'll just call it for generic purposes, is is a lot. I think it's like watching paint dry. I had to be held accountable. So I still talk to him this day. He's been my mentor for over 15 or 20 years. We've done workshops. Charles Polyquin, I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but he was a genius. He coached Helen Marulis, who was the only he was the first gold medalist in wrestling for the Olympics.
SPEAKER_03Oh wow.
SPEAKER_04He was her strength training coach. And my mentor actually was trained by him. And so I just, if I want what someone has, I have to do what they do, right? So he and I, I still get my body fat tested by him and we chat, and it's more of a relationship. Yeah. And I used to be shy with my patients. I didn't want to show them, oh, I've been, you know, overweight. I had, you know, I would eat because for whatever I would just eat, right? Or I would eat the wrong thing, getting caught in the the member, the low fat, everything had to be low fat. But now I I show people my before and after pictures because pictures worth a thousand words. So people are like, oh no, you're a dietitian. But I'm like, yeah, no, you have no idea. And so then there's that connection. And I don't judge people because I've I've seen people and they work so hard and they're not getting results. And then they're in tears, and they're doing everything quote right. I don't even like that word, but and especially when we get in our 40s and 50s, the biggest complaint I hear, and we're talking women in tears and men too. Like I'm working so hard, I'm working out six days a week, I'm doing all these things, and I'm not, I'm actually gaining weight. And after a proper assessment, usually it's fairly obvious, but it takes trust and a lot of time, but you can reverse that cycle.
The Midlife Trap Of Underfueling
SPEAKER_01Right. And are there common mistakes that you see more often than than not with and what what are those? What do you normally see that they're doing incorrectly?
SPEAKER_04I think we're doing too much. So typically the client, and this is very challenging because I could probably see myself like this, right? They're working out five or six days a week, they're doing way too much, like two hours in the gym, and then they're not eating enough. And in my client's head or in my head, so I'm doing all these things and I stay the same body fat, right? Everything's great. And then all of a sudden I've gained 10 pounds. Well, then what I see is they tend to freak out. So they restrict their calories, right? Because everyone says eat less, exercise more. Well, they do that. They exercise more, they're eating less, their body is constantly stressed. So they're stressed, they're not sleeping, which makes them gain more weight. So then what do they do? They restrict more calories and and then they try and you know, all these crazy things. My heart goes out to them, right? So to me, it's it's like, okay, do less, but that takes a lot of time to get that you know, that trust. And I'm so I say, okay, is what you're doing right now working? Okay, it's not. So could you give me three weeks just to see how you feel? But women in particular, the protein is a big thing. Starting out the day with like a either no breakfast or we're eating bars, cereals, or something like that. So women's and men's protein needs go up tremendously in the fourth quarter. Like more than anybody would would really think, because the hormones like estrogen, estrogen is actually really awesome. And that's the women's primary, you know, we have progesterone and testosterone too. But as estrogen decreases, then that makes it so when we're working out, our muscles aren't firing as well. So here we are doing the same thing, but we're not getting the same results, and then we start gaining weight, and so it's this vicious cycle.
SPEAKER_01It's interesting, and I want to I want to emphasize that because when we did have Ann on a couple of weeks ago, and we asked her what would be her number one thing uh issue that women have nutritionally, is she said they don't eat enough. And I mean, she didn't hesitate. She says that's what she sees, and it's exactly what you're saying. So anybody listening to this, you got two experts that are saying exactly the same thing. Make sure you're fueling that body.
SPEAKER_04And it's counterintuitive, right? Yeah. But if I'm on a bike ride, now if I'm riding leisurely for like an hour, I probably don't need anything. But if I'm mountain bike riding or something like that, if I fuel my body, my my workouts are gonna be that much better. And my recovery is gonna be so much better. And then I'm not gonna, you know, I don't know if you guys have ever done like a big workout. And, you know, especially I think for me with endurance and stuff, and then if I don't eat enough that night, I'm like just ravenous.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's it's proper fueling and timing, is critical. And everybody's very different, everybody's so different. But the timing of your nutrition, particularly like carbohydrates or more refined carbohydrates, that's gonna be very important. So all foods fit. Everyone thinks that I don't eat chocolate, but I mean, in my desk drawer, there's always chocolate.
SPEAKER_02Always everywhere's no life without chocolate, people. I'm just keeping it real. I love that. I love that. And by the way, I just want to add for because you know, this is an audio podcast, but I wish people could see you, Patty, because Patty's a very, very fit woman sitting on the screen. We're on a zoom screen right now, but now she's now she's flexing. Oh my gosh, I'm flexing, yeah. No, she's she's very fit. So I just wanted to give people the visual because from where you were to where you are, and and we're obviously going to post this on our social media and and tag you and do all that stuff. So I think uh and I think your before and after is up there as well. So it'd be great for people to, or maybe you got a website or something, or yep, pattymoon.com.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, very simple.
SPEAKER_02Okay, very simple. We'll make sure that they Patty with an eye.
SPEAKER_04Yes, Patty with an eye.
Body Fat Testing That Tracks Progress
SPEAKER_02Yes, but you mentioned something about body fat testing.
SPEAKER_04I love body fat testing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I you know so fun. Yeah, and so when you when you go get your body fat test, what uh mechanisms do you use, or how do you who do you where do you go and how do you do it?
SPEAKER_04We are trained in calipers. So we use the Charles Polyquin metabolic analytic program. So, for example, I have calipers and we do like a 14-site test. Now, for my average client, I don't recommend this because most people don't know how to do it right. But the thing is to find one method, one person, and this is how diligent I think people need to be. Like I this guy is an expert. He's an OG bodybuilder. I trust him. He has my numbers literally for 20 years, you guys. So I go see him like once every six weeks just to see. And Charles Polyquin used to say that hormones kind of dictate where you store your body fat. So if I'm storing in my abdominal area, that might mean this hormone is a little bit out of whack versus testing body fat like in your back, which is like a subscapular area. So that's what I do, and that's what my mentor, Kevin Hall, I'll give him a shout out in Fresno, California. He's Brilliant. But there is something called body spec. And it's they used to use it, they primarily it's used for uh bone density train, you know, testing. But I always recommend go to the it's like a I don't want to say van, but I've done it as well. So it tests certain things and then they take out numbers and that'll give you like a a roundabout body fat number. But I always recommend doing it at the same body spec van or mobile site at the same time and get the first appointment.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04And hide because little things make a big difference. And I'm extremely perfectionistic when it comes to things because but it is you know and you want to track changes over time. That's the goal. We're not looking for because there's no real there's generalizations like 20% for women is lean and things, but there's no idealistic number, right? Like in my head, I have a number, my goal, right? And then, you know, I don't even know. I don't think Kevin told me my real percentage way back in the day. I'll have to report back to you guys. Yeah, but right now, yeah. So right now I'm I'm pretty happy.
SPEAKER_01So we we really focus on you know just not competing with anyone else, just oh 100 on yourself, 100%. And we we always point out don't don't compete with the younger version of yourself, no, being as healthy as you can right now, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that that's kind of the theme through through our show, because it's very genetic, it's so genetic, and I do that with endurance training too. I am not, you know, how there's two different types of muscle fibers, right? The type two, which is more sprinter, and then the type one, like more endurance. I don't care how much I train, I will never be as fast as like whatever. So once I stop comparing myself and just like, oh, I'm out here to have fun or whatever. And I do that with my clients too, because some people are just genetically more slender, or sometimes, you know, diabetes, type 2 diabetes is very genetic. They didn't do anything to get diabetes, it's just genetic.
SPEAKER_01Is there uh any nutrition that would help manage or prevent conditions like high blood pressure or type 2 diabetes that you can think of off the top of your head?
SPEAKER_04Well, I think movement is key. I always call a walk after lunch. And these are things, again, as a scientist, I'm a healthy skeptic, especially like nowadays with all the Instagram influencers. Oh my gosh, it drives me crazy. But because everybody's an expert, and like, you know, Doug, if you want to get down to six percent fat, don't eat this food, you know, run. And if you hear that, just run, just run away.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_04But definitely more vegetables like fiber and protein. So I find and I experimented on myself, and I also have clients who have diabetes, right? And they'll tell me, oh yeah, you're right. I'm when I ate this at this time. But if I focus my foods on my plate, right, or bowl, if you prefer protein, like meat, fish, chicken, whatever, I prefer organic. Okay, I'm not saying if you don't eat organic, no one's gonna go to hell, right? But just the purity of it, grass-fed, because the food in America, you know, is a little bit different. Chicken, fish, something with protein, eggs, eggs are not gonna kill you. And then I have some vegetables. I throw in some vegetables, which are the like fibrous things. So those two things help mellow out your blood sugar. And then what I do is I'll recommend eating your carbohydrates, right? Like beans, whole grains, things like that. Or if you want rice, fruit, or and things, you know, have them at the end of your meal per se. You know, like what you, the clients you're working with, you know, fat loss and just being a healthy weight, that will help prevent those things. But people who have mothers, fathers, grandma, you know, parents with diabetes, they do have to be a little bit more cautious of how much carbohydrate or bread, starches, rices, or what type of carbohydrate they eat, because they're they don't burn it like someone who doesn't have a history of diabetes. They just have to be a little bit, so it doesn't mean they're gonna get diabetes, but they have more of a propensity to it. So they have to be more careful, in my experience.
SPEAKER_01The people that we have been coaching, some started seven or so weeks ago, others about a month ago. We we have not even really talked to them about nutrition at this point because our first thing was getting them moving consistently, so that you know Charles wasn't really doing anything. We got him just getting some movement. Others were moving, but weren't doing it consistently, so that's really been our focus. So it's great to have you on because this is our first little foray into the nutrition, and you know, we plan to get there with the others, but it was creating healthy habits to begin. And that's I think that's great.
Marketing Tricks And Health Halo Labels
SPEAKER_04Um you start small, and I do a quick assessment. What's what's the lowest hanging fruit, right? So if I have a person drinking sweetened beverages, that's usually the quickest thing, or excessive alcohol, that's another thing. But it really depends on the person. But what drives me crazy is are these companies out there, for example, well, I guess I can't say names, but you know, there's juices and it'll say no sugar added. Well, fruit is a natural sugar. So by law in America, they can say no sugar added, but it's all sugar, right? Or some of the smoothies. So 58 grams of of sugar and one smoothie. So then my poor patients are like, why are my sugars 300? I was on this juice fast, and I'm like, oh, you know, I had one patient end up in the ICU, you know, and I'm like, why are my sugars and three? God bless, but it's not their fault, you know, it's the companies and they're so I just really try to edge, I try to educate and empower them, and then they can make their own decision. So I know when I'm eating chocolate or I know when I've had too much coffee. You know, I know what's gonna happen. It's an adult decision, and then I just suffer the aftermath of my coffee intake.
SPEAKER_02You know, I love the uh I love, I mean, that that's a big topic now in our country, especially the the misguidance or whatever I would, whatever you want to call it, mislabeling, the the marketing and all that. What can you unpack that a little bit more? What what what should we look out for? What what are little key things that we can notice and to help us make healthier choices?
SPEAKER_04So I feel like if you eat real food, you can't go wrong.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Like you're probably not gonna eat so many vegetables that you know it's gonna be unhealthy. Anything in a package, but I'm also a realist, right? Right. So anything in a package or processed, you know, we try to limit those as much as possible. But if I'm just starting out, for example, gluten-free. Okay, so everything is gluten-free. But for example, Twizzlers. I'm not, I'm this is don't get me excited because I'll go off.
SPEAKER_02Get excited, girl. We want you to get excited. Come on, bring it up.
SPEAKER_04No, they're gluten-free, gluten-free that they're selling you, and there's actually a name for it. When I got my master's degree at Northeastern, I took a class on it and it was fascinating. It's called a health halo. So it's remember the low-fat thing. We're old enough, we remember, right? So or it would say cholesterol free on peanut butter. Well, peanuts don't even have cholesterol. So, but the companies will say cholesterol free and then, or low fat or whatever. And, you know, Twizzlers, yes, they are gluten. Now it is important, right? So if I have a gluten sensitivity or something like that, it's great that they do have it because it has to be certified gluten-free. So I do like that. But when they're using it to sell something, or oh, now everything is protein, high protein you to Costco chips, I would never recommend protein chips. Just eat a steak, you're fine. You know, I like eat some potato chips after your steak and call it good. You do not need protein chips. So if if man or woman made it and they slap like a protein, this or whatever, unless it's like something specific for a population like kosher or some sort of sensitivity or allergy, but just the fruit juice kills me every time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and we mentioned last week I use an app that is a European-based app. Oh, which one is that one? It's called Yuca. Ooh, I really like it because you know, you can scan a barcode. Yeah, Y UK A. And you can scan scan the products, you know, some of those, just like you said, the marketing. Yeah. And even not only marketing, but even the people that represent them, like protein bars, and you got these big and then you you scan them and it says, This is terrible. And this this app will rate them from zero to a hundred when it and then rate them like good, poor, good, bad, whatever. It'll give you the reason. So if it's got additives in it, and then you can you can click on that and it will tell you which additives, why they're high risk. What I really like about it is if you have one of these that rates as bad or poor, and you scroll down, it will give you an alternative.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna have to check that out. I know some other apps.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_04If you have any that you want to mention, no, I mean, I'm trying to think off the top of my head, there's there's one, but it's it's he's not like a scientist. So I'm I'm like, again, like people just coming on and creating stuff, but I'm I'm always skeptical like what is that really? Sometimes I do by you know, I'm all I'm always looking at, okay. For example, if you're going on a trip and you don't want to bring whatever with you, then maybe like bars, right? So if I pick a bar, like maybe it's the Cliff Builders bar. It's got a lot of stuff in it. But if I'm desperate and I want 20 grams of protein and it tastes good, then whatever, right? Right. I mean, they have RX bars. Another thing I've seen lately, which is hilarious. So RX bars came up with this thing, and I don't know who started it, but it was like, oh, only three ingredients. Well, now you'll see ads and it'll say only eight ingredients or something. And I'm thinking, oh, if only 20 ingredients, where is that gonna come up next?
SPEAKER_03Right? Only it's marketing.
SPEAKER_04Rx bar is a good bar, like it, you know, as far as foods go, bars are definitely on the because when you eat them, you get, you know, they're not very filling, right? Right.
A Realistic High Protein Day
SPEAKER_01So, and it depends on what you're doing exercise-wise and stuff, but well, and it's interesting because all of these things, to your point, just an example, Doug and I were on a bike ride a couple years ago, and he gave me some some bars, they're like fig newtons, they're strawberry and blueberry, uh-huh, uh cookie type thing. And I ate them, and then afterwards I scanned them with my app and I said, Hey, those those came up as as poor. And he said, Well, why'd they come up as poor? And I said, Well, they were too high in calories and too high in sugar. And he said, Yeah, that's why I use them riding my bike. Exactly. I want that little sugar boost, exactly. Exactly. You've got that information there, you still have to make a decision on yeah, that's a perfect example. I I want it, I want these bars to give me something for what I'm doing, the uh the exercise I'm doing. So, what does an ideal day of eating look like for you? Like for or for someone in their fourth quarter?
SPEAKER_04Protein, protein, protein. Assuming they do not have chronic kidney disease. Okay, so disclaimer there are people out there who do they should have like medically a low protein diet, but I would say 90% of the people I know or that I've coached or whatever, they're eating about half the recommended amount. And especially in the first meal of the day, I find that if you can get 30 grams of protein in, which might be like if you're the size of the palm of your hand, it's usually about twice what you're what people are eating, right? So for me, it might be a cup of egg whites and an egg, and I'll throw some spinach in there. I'm just, if you eat the right amount of protein, you're naturally going to be less hungry. Your energy levels are going to be much more stable. Also, after we work out, that's when our body is just craving your muscles become very sensitive to absorbing the protein. And we need that to rebuild whatever we've just broken down when we're working out, right? So at least 30 grams of protein, depending on the person and what we're starting with. But high protein after we work out, it doesn't have to be obsessive, like right after some of my athletes are like, oh my gosh, it's 30 minutes. I'm like, don't sweat the small stuff. Again, the stress, that's what we do. We're not trying to stress out, but high protein, a lot of vegetables and carbs. Like, I think a lot of people are afraid of carbohydrates, but that's what gives us energy. No, I'm not gonna eat frosted flakes with milk, and then that's it. But if you're gonna do it after you work out, fabulous, you know, depending on what we're working with. So if they want, I think people get very overwhelmed because they think they need to be perfect. And so what I do, what are you doing now? How can we maybe switch stuff like 20%? Right. So I had a client who was eating frosted flakes or something first thing. And so I'm like, okay, and I'm I'm not promoting frosted flakes, so don't get any hate mail. But maybe we do it after you work out, right? Right. You get your protein first, and then you get your frosted flakes. So the sugar from the frosted flakes actually can shuttle that protein into your muscle cells. It can be used as energy, and it's not gonna really increase the overall blood sugars or make you starving for the whole day. So it just depends on what we're working with. But lunch is very, it's the same. It's four to six ounces of protein, meat, fish, chicken, vary your protein. You don't want to eat the same thing every day. Uh, focus on plants, different types of plants, different colors, a little bit of carbohydrates, right? Like brown rice, pasta. You're not gonna die if you eat right what, you know, if I have a person who eats white rice breakfast, lunch, and dinner, I'm never gonna tell them don't. That's that's too much of a change, right? That that would be telling Charles to go run a marathon tomorrow, like or whoever. I'm not that's the only person I can remember you guys talking about. But breakfast, lunch, and dinner, usually it depends on on what the, but I eat like four times a day and it's very protein. If I hit my protein goal every day, I'm not snacky, you know, because what I learned this time around in my next level, which I consider my 50s, my best level, if I'm hitting my protein goal every day and my fiber goal, I can't lose. And I'm actually fitter now than I was five years ago. So just I had to be coachable, though. I have a coach myself, and I had to not be happy when she told me to slow down a little bit and finally see, you know, just in health first, worry about health first, gut health, that sort of stuff. And then the fitness has to come second. Yeah, so protein-centered, lots of you know, veggies, fresh fruits. I do struggle with fruit personally. It's kind of an ongoing thing with my husband and I. So I don't like it. I eat it, but I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02Does fruit provide uh fiber, though?
SPEAKER_04Or yeah, fruit is fiber. Also, it's volume. So if you ate a cup of blueberries, it's kind of a lot. It's only like 80 calories, super high fiber, or like avocados, those are higher calorie, but lots of fiber and avocados. So any food that nature made is is gonna be a better choice. It's when I put it in a package and it's super tasty, right? So the goal of the companies is to make a food that creates craving and makes it taste good, right? Like you're never gonna see fat and carbohydrates natural in the world, right? But if you have ice cream that's fat and super high sugar together, that's super tasty for a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01So it sounds like instead of focusing on 30, 30, 30, 40 of your macros, your main focus at this point is your protein. And the rest kind of if you're eating clean, works itself out. And I'm hearing fiber, fiber as well.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think honestly, Ted, the macros, because I do believe in tracking for myself, for other clients, that would just not work for them. It would flip that disordered eating switch on. But the 4030-30 to me, it just kind of ends up like that, right? So 40% healthy carbs like oatmeals and like brown rice and sweet potatoes and those types of things, right? Timing in and around exercise, like if I have a person who's trying to drop body fat, I'm probably not gonna wait to eat all my carbs at nighttime before I go to bed. So it just depends on the person. But I do find that people who track, like honestly track, right, do better because even myself, you know, that's what I'm so humbled every day. When I when I measured, because I have a peanut butter problem, y'all. Like, I love me some peanut butter. Come on, sister, we're having a oh no, so but I was saying, oh, it's a tablespoon, Doug. And then I measured it out on a scale, and I was like, oh, like 30 grams is like two, you know, and yeah, no, and so when people say, Oh, I can't lose weight, I don't eat that much. Sometimes it's like, yeah, you are, you know, like especially like people with kids or grandkids, and they're doing licks and tastes, and and then they might be eating 500 calories extra a day and not even realizing it.
SPEAKER_02So they're having them BLTs. We used to call those BLTs bites, licks, and tastes. No, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, it adds up, it does, especially with the peanut butter.
SPEAKER_02Oh man, I love being I don't even buy a peanut butter anymore. That's it's that bad. It's like yeah, there's no once at the store. Yeah, it's just saying no once at the store. There's a lot of open jars at the store, though, Ted. No, I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Why are all these lids off?
SPEAKER_01That's you know, it's it's funny that when I track my my food, I'll put it in an app or whatever. The one thing that it prevents me from doing or keeps me from doing is snacking at night because I'll go and you know, even sometimes you're eating, I guess, so-called healthy snacks, but things like trail mix and that's a big that's a big one. I know, and nuts, you know, they're they're healthy, but before you know it, you know, you keep going back between commercials and picking up a handful of this or a handful of that, and you're sitting there watching TV and you've eaten an extra five or six hundred calories for nothing. And so when I'm when I'm tracking things, that helps me focus on not going back, not snacking as much. And again, to your point, if you're eating properly during the day, it fills you up so you're not craving those things later in the evening.
SPEAKER_04Have you ever weighed out nuts before, like on an actual scale to see like grams, not ounces? We're talking grams.
SPEAKER_01No, I have, I have.
SPEAKER_04I that's your homework. Yeah, I want you to just look because it's fascinating, you know, and it's not like people can't have nuts, it's just one ounce of nuts is one serving, but that is not it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_02It's like you're like, why even I mean, it's great.
SPEAKER_04Nuts are fabulous, right? Nuts are great. It's just that if someone's main goal is to lose fat, and it particularly like if they don't have a lot to lose, sometimes those clients are the most difficult because, especially as a woman, we tend to want to hold on to fat a little bit more for protective purposes. But all foods fit. I mean, you know, I freaking eat honey nut Cheerios, you know, and I'm I'm rolling. So, but it's just being honest about it. So tracking can be important. And I also find like getting enough sleep, that is not like a super exciting topic. But if people get enough sleep, that in itself can help with fat loss. And people tend not to be as hungry. So people who are tired tend to eat more just randomly, right? Like I'm up watching a movie, then I'm snacking on whatever.
Fat Loss Beats Scale Weight
SPEAKER_02Hey, Patty, as we enter our fourth quarter, why is it important? Oh, I believe it is, and and maybe you can maybe you can tell me I'm wrong or right or whatever, but why is it important that we focus more on fat loss instead of the weight loss? What do you I mean, what what can you unpack there?
SPEAKER_04Don't get me started. Don't get started.
SPEAKER_02That's why that's why I ask.
SPEAKER_04I love muscle. Muscle's the key to longevity. That is period. So that was coined by my doctor, who's Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. This is before she was like super Instagram, but she's she's my hero. And she basically says that muscle's the key to longevity because that's your metabolism. So when I'm lifting heavy weights, right? Or lifting weights, you know, of course you want to get checked by your doctor, but it used to be like you do 12 to 15 reps and oh, just I don't want to get too big. But when you lift weights, you know, your metabolism is going to go up, not just when you do it. Like, for example, endurance, typically you're, you know, you're burning calories when you're doing it, but not so much afterwards. But when I lift weights, I'm burnt, my muscles are burning calories for 24 to 48 hours afterwards. But I think the the key, I totally forgot your question.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, why is it more important to focus on fat loss as opposed to weight loss? And you were saying because muscle is huge. Muscle is, you know, you want to focus on losing fat. Because if you're losing weight, sometimes you're losing muscle and you don't know it.
SPEAKER_04And you want to see if I'm sometimes if you're you're going to be losing fat and muscle sometimes, right? But if my food and nutrition is on point, I really should be dropping more fat than muscle. If I lose muscle, weight, then my metabolism is actually just going to decrease and it's it's not good. If you weigh yourself every day, I guarantee, if you do not like if I don't sleep well or if I had too much sodium, like one night out eating too much sodium, your weight can fluctuate like two or three pounds. So I do like depends on the client, right? Sometimes daily weights can be helpful. So it's but to treat it like a tool, not right like this is it. But and it's just, I'm all about getting the body fat tested with the same thing at the same time, just so you can get a trend. And some of the pictures that I've seen, the women and men are actually 20 or maybe 15 pounds heavier, but their body fat is lower and they actually look a lot smaller. So they're more defined. I have a I have seen a lot of slender women who are overfat. They are not metabolically healthy, so they're still at risk for diabetes because they have no muscle. Your body has to have stress in order to get stronger, right? You and I can't grow unless I'm uncomfortable. So if I'm going to the gym, in my opinion, and I'm just doing 10 to 12, and I'm not, if I'm not pushing myself at least a little bit, for me, you know, when I go to the gym, it's like, okay, this is my focus. And I I don't believe in killing myself every time I go to the gym. But at the same time, I designate workouts like, okay, this one, yeah, this is gonna be this workout. And then to remember to put the mobility in and the the more yoga type thing, which ironically is much more difficult for me. The relaxing part.
SPEAKER_01It's interesting. Doug and I were talking today about products like Ozempic and I love that, yeah. And it's been talking about it. You know, it definitely, I believe, has its place. Yeah. But what you were saying is, you know, you you see some people that will do something like that, but they won't do anything else with it. And yeah, so to your point, they may be thin, but metabolically unhealthy because they haven't changed any any habits and created any healthier habits for themselves, lifting weights, working out, doing whatever it is. Yeah. So, you know, I'm definitely in favor of anything that can help you, you know, lose weight if you need it, that will get you to a healthier place. Yeah. And what you do with that health is something else.
SPEAKER_04I think the GLP ones have its place. And one thing I do like is I I try to always remain humble and ask questions and be curious, right? So even though I've been doing this so long, I always look at myself, I'm still new. Every day I'm still what are what is the world going to teach me? So I've seen it work really well in some people, and I've also seen it where I had a person at work and no one ever told she was on the new zip bound and she was losing weight, but she felt horrible. And I'm like, well, what did they tell you to eat? Well, they didn't tell me anything. Now, I don't know if she just didn't hear them, but I'm like, you should be getting this much protein because if you're dropping weight that fast and your protein levels aren't high, you're gonna be losing so much muscle. So then your metabolism is you might be losing weight, but your metabolism is is gonna be not great if you lose that much muscle. So I think it has its place. But I do remember a physician asked suggested to me that I go on it. I think I was trying to lose like 10 pounds or something at the time in my little head, right? I was like, oh, maybe I should. And you know, I've heard it works really well for some people. Now they're doing what they call microdosing because it's supposed to help for information. I'm I'm not sure. I don't have like firsthand experience. I help patients who are on it, but I've never dosed it. I'm not licensed to dose or anything. But if you don't eat enough protein, you're gonna feel horrible. I do know that.
GLP-1s Hunger Hormones Electrolytes
SPEAKER_01Right. I have a question because I probably didn't pay close enough attention in biology class. When you hear you always hear the term, you know, I haven't been eating as much, so my stomach's shrinking. Oh, does your stomach actually shrink? Is it like a balloon that expands and contracts?
SPEAKER_04Or well, I think you know, it does like get bigger, right? Like you I would think that it I think if people are always eating, I can't say for sure, but if you're always eating, then it's gonna be a little bit fuller, right? But there are hormones. So hormones dictate everything. I mean, it is such a wonderful crazy world. So you have several hormones that will make you feel full, and then you've got hormones that make you hungry. And I 100% believe that some people have a dysregulation of certain hormones so that they always feel hungry. It's what some people coin food noise. And I do believe that that is the case for a lot of people. And one of the biggest things I hear about Ozempic or any of the GLP ones is that it eliminates that. Like for the first time in years, they're not constantly obsessing about food. I don't know. That's a I mean, to answer your, I mean, honestly, that's a really interesting question. I feel like when you stabilize when you're eating balanced whole foods and things like that, I feel like the cravings go away. That I I think for sure. So if I'm always drinking sugar, this and Gatorades and all this other crap, your body like is gets used to all that sugar. So I don't know. That's a that's a really good question.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there goes our Gatorade sponsorship.
SPEAKER_04I know Gatorade is really great for depending on where you're at. I will say that. If you're exercising for more than an hour outside, electrolytes are important.
SPEAKER_02Yes, electrolytes are important for the endurance people how how all the electrolyte drinks that are out there are so personal to the individual.
SPEAKER_01You have to try to percent. We were out in Sedona last week using an electrolyte because it was warm, and both my wife and I had you know, stomach not cramps, but just discomfort because it was one that you know. Find the one that that fits for you, they're all so different, and some work for a while and then start giving you irritation of some sort.
SPEAKER_04Not fun, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I think it also depends on what on the activity you're using. Like if when I'm doing death ride, I need a ton of sodium, potassium, and all that.
SPEAKER_04Holy moly. That's amazing. Yeah, I'll be on the side giving out like candy bars. That's my jam.
SPEAKER_02And I'll be taking them.
SPEAKER_04Sweet. Yeah, everybody's so different, everybody sweats different.
Simple Diet Rules And Community
SPEAKER_02Right. So, Patty, I'd like to, I'd like to just ask you a little bit about, you know, if if we give you, I know you're you've been doing this for 25, 30 years, something like that, you said for for a long time, for a long, long time. There have probably been some trends and some common things that you've seen over and over again. What's with all that said, Patty, if we gave you the stage or soapbox to stand on, what are you most what are you most passionate about? Like what do you want to say?
SPEAKER_04Stay off Instagram. No, they're kind of it's it's the all or nothing thing because they prey on people. And I will say that I am one of I don't want to say victim, but I will I mean I've been doing this so long, and I'll be like, oh, I shouldn't eat that food, you know, because my mind will go down that. So stop, keep it simple. Keep it simple, you know, eat real foods and don't follow like the trends. Like there's always gonna be somebody telling you that this diet is whatever. If somebody all diets work, whether it's key, whatever, it's what works for you, right? So, for example, vegan. I love you know, people who are vegan, great, but it doesn't work for everybody. I had a client, she was a first responder. This was my awesome, this was so awesome. I get high off this stuff because she called me, she saw me on Yelp, but she called me. She's like, I feel terrible, run down. She was vitamin D deficient, anemic, her B12 was low, and she was a part of the study that put everybody on a strict vegan diet. I'm not saying it's not a good diet, I'm just saying for her, it didn't work. And so, and she was the first responder. Right. So I was like, okay, you just stop. And within eight weeks, we turned it around. And she texted me just last week saying, Oh my God, thank you. I feel so good. So every diet, every food plan is is going to be different. And you just need to find what's works for you and that you can do consistently, right? Period. I I don't care what it is. And one of my favorite people, I like I like to listen to Alan Aragon, because he's very opinionated. But it's based on he'll basically do all this research for you. And he's like, all diets work if you can do them consistently and that it fits in. I like to listen to him, but just be really wary and I just try to stay off of non-individualized things and stay off, stay off the rabbit hole thing. Right.
SPEAKER_02I thank you for saying that because that I think that's one of the reasons Ted and I wanted to start at this podcast was we are drowning in information and starving for wisdom.
SPEAKER_04Scar, yes, yes, 100%. Yeah, and that's why coaches, right? And I realize that a coach is is like a luxury for a lot of people, but they do have less expensive ones or at least somebody, right? So if you have your group, because we do do better in community, in my opinion, yes, and being held accountable, and that might mean that you make somebody mad. And you know what? That's okay. Because if they were doing so great before and succeeding, why are they gonna hire me or you? Right.
SPEAKER_02So speaking of groups, aren't you part of a huge uh women group?
SPEAKER_04Uh yes, the DMC. They're my heroes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, tell us a little bit about that group. What's the initial stand for? And what do you guys do?
SPEAKER_04Diablo Multi-Sport Connection. And I will say that I am a newbie, but I wanted to find a group of women who were at their next level, but who are all different levels. And so it's a wonderful group based out of Walnut Creek. And I am very new, but fabulous people, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, all different sports. There's mountain biking, road riding. There's even a woman who does mountaineering. I think she won something recently. I mean, these women are just empowering and they give back to the community. And we have very cool cycling outfits.
SPEAKER_01Um, one woman, didn't one woman just swim across the length of Lake Talk?
SPEAKER_04Probably.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we're gonna swim to Catalina Island or something from Long Beach. Amazing athletes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I mean, sometimes again, I get caught with myself comparing. I'm like, oh, you know, like I feel like I'm in shape, but that woman just, you know. But it's all about nobody's competing with each other, right? They're they're competitive sometimes with themselves, or they're racing and doing stuff, but so super supportive. I love it. So I'm just getting into starting to train back to mountain biking. I've been off the bike a little bit and doing gym work. That's my jam.
SPEAKER_03Nice.
SPEAKER_04So, and once on the trainer, but now I think that I'm gonna get back into some endurance. I just I was trying to juggle everything all at once, and that did not work. Did not work, but yeah, they're a great group.
SPEAKER_02Very cool. Yeah, I see them every every time I'm doing Death Ride, I see a bunch of DMC jerseys out there. I'm like, oh my gosh, you guys are everything. I did yeah, marathon at CIM and Folsom, the more of them over there. They're just they're everywhere, they're everywhere. All different sports. Yes.
SPEAKER_04I think one woman did ice hockey. I don't even know how old she was. I mean, ice hockey. I was like, and you know, hey, do you want to try? And I love sports, so I was like, Yeah, let's do it, or hiking, or whatever. I love hiking is that you know, anything different you can do is gonna be good for the body, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02So very cool.
SPEAKER_01Ted, are we getting to that point of the show where uh I think we are? I'm I'm a little uh little nervous though, because uh don't be nervous, Ted. Come on. Patty Patty informed us that she uh loves rap, old school rap. Oh my god, I do. And the song I picked out couldn't be uh anything.
SPEAKER_04Is it Karen Carpenter?
SPEAKER_01Because I might have to throw myself off a bridge. You know, I tried to tie it to nutrition.
SPEAKER_04Oh my gosh. Is it banana bana?
SPEAKER_01There there are times where I try to make it inspirational and really tie it in. And I was I I couldn't find anything, so you know, we'll just see what we come up with here. Right.
SPEAKER_02This is new to me too. I gotta see what this is. Come on, Ted.
SPEAKER_00It's Beastie Boy sabotage, boots do we thumbs down to the things that are much better. It's okay, have a tree. Sugar coating oil. Eat smart. Thumbs up, tune the twitches, boots to eat.
SPEAKER_01All right, I'll spare you any more of that one. I am into man, you don't even know what was happening. They go through all the meals, they go through lunch, dinner, what they talk about Ray and running a race and Kate.
SPEAKER_02You know, you have to look up if I don't even know who uh who sings that one, but I don't want to know who sings that one, Ted. Okay, because we're we're supposed to comment after that, Patty. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go first. Okay, do it. Ted, you know, it's always good to fail because we we learn we learn from our failures, man. It's that's what that life is about.
SPEAKER_04No, that's I thought it was good. I like the beat. I don't agree with the orange juice part, but thumbs down. I I'm gonna listen to that tonight because it it inspired me, and I feel like a new woman.
SPEAKER_01You'll be dancing around giving thumbs up and thumbs down for that's right.
SPEAKER_04That's how we roll.
SPEAKER_02Patty, we're gonna have you back on again. We're this time we're gonna have next time we'll have you choose a song and we'll play it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And if you guys have any questions, or if you want me to pop in and talk to your people or whatever, I really just love what I do. We can go into more specifics and whatever you need, just let me know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, definitely we want people to have access to you. You are you are taking on clients still?
SPEAKER_04I actually just finished all my clients, so I am opening up five spots. I keep it very, very limited because I look at myself like a concierge service. Right. So it's very, it's like dial a dietitian. So I'm taking on clients currently. I do fill up pretty quick, but I I limit it. That's that's the key.
SPEAKER_02And you're not you you don't have any boundaries like they they have to be athletes or they have to be non-intellectual size.
SPEAKER_04There's there's no just wanting better health, period. And I do believe in a free call just to see if we're a good match. And if we're not a good match, I'll find someone for you. I I can usually tell right away if if it's gonna work or if it's not gonna work.
SPEAKER_02And I just I want to help people, so and do you have any or do you pre I you I know you said you're woman focused, but do you you'll take on a man if it's a good fit? Yeah, okay, of course. What about a any age limits or anything like that?
SPEAKER_04I do focus on people 40 and above, definitely don't do teens and things like that, but 40 and above is my specialty and could be recreational athletes or people just getting off the couch. Diabetes, that's also right my specialty.
SPEAKER_02So okay, so diabetes, people just getting off the couch, but you also have a special sports dietitian, sports dietitian. Yes, that's that's yeah, see, I'm uh I I need to talk to you, Patty.
SPEAKER_04I I am very I get so excited, I can't shut up. So, but yes, so food is fuel, sports is my jam, and it could be like for me, I'm a recreational mountain biker, right? Yeah, yeah, but if I eat well, I feel a lot better and I have more fun, right? If I'm bonking at mile 12 because I didn't eat whatever, I feel horrible. And then I'm not very fun to be around. So everybody's got an event, and my goal is to partner with those people to help finish that event strong and feel good.
SPEAKER_02Right. And I know you said it earlier in the beginning of the show, but what's if somebody wanted to contact you, where would they go?
SPEAKER_04Pattymoon.com, P-A-T-T-I, M is Amery O-O-N.com. I also am on Yelp. I don't have a very, you know, big Facebook, Instagram presence on purpose. I believe in attraction, not promotion, and word of mouth is the best advertisement ever. So that's my that's my business model.
SPEAKER_02Well, good. Well, we're gonna put this episode on our social media pages and so great. Yeah. So you know, it'll get some exposure there and hopefully reach out and excited to just hear hear more from you down the road. And uh, you know, especially when we have somebody like you, like to circle back because trends are always changing, thing information's changing, and one thing I'd like to discuss down the road neck next time is uh glycemic index versus uh you know, just our our food labels here. I think in Europe they use a lot more glycemic index, uh whole different world, whole different label in Europe.
SPEAKER_04It's very fascinating.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so maybe we can touch on that next time we come back. Yeah, any topic, that'd be fabulous.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. In the meantime, I've got to go look my wounds from a funnel for my song.
SPEAKER_04So uh no, I still appreciate you guys.
SPEAKER_02And we appreciate having you, Patty. Thank you so much for spending time with us. And Ted, do you want anything you want to close out with? No, no, yes, it's all you. All right, brother. Well, then I will close out like I always do and say God bless and peace out. Thanks, guys. If you like what you heard, be sure to subscribe, follow, share an episode. If you want to leave a comment, go to the show notes. There's a text link there. We will receive an anonymous text from you with any comments or suggestions. Thanks again for tuning in, and most importantly, keep on coming back.