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Matt Smeltzer
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Matt Smeltzer (aka PASTOR MATT) is a comedian, show producer, actor, pastor, and cartoonist! In this interview we chat about what it's like being a pastor and a comedian, we talk about the importance of having FUN, and we talk about so much more.
Additionally, Matt shares about his upcoming comedy show at Zanies in Nashville Oct 27, that will be a fundraiser for the Nashville Rescue. If you'd like to attend the show, here's the link to get tickets!
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But always goes back to like remembering to enjoy what we're doing. 100% of it that could be the theme of this whole interview. Honestly, it really could be.
SPEAKER_02I have an amazing comedian with me, uh, comedian Pastor Matt or Matt Smelter. Uh it's good to see you. Thanks for joining us from Rochester, New York, right? That's where we're from.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Very cool. Yeah. So we're we're talking uh cross country right now. And uh this is our first time meeting in person. We've had some email interactions and some social media interactions, and we're actually on a show together here in Nashville at Zany's in October, which we'll talk about a little bit more later. This is the Clean Comedy Chats. Uh, what we do each week is we interview a different comedian who's part of the Clean Comedy Collective, uh, which is a virtual network. Uh, and we can now, Matt, we can actually say we're an international network. Uh we do have one comedian from Switzerland uh who's part of I hope to get him on the podcast eventually. It was very funny because I remember when I saw that you know I had an entry from Switzerland and I went to look into it. Uh, I was like, oh, yeah, what's someone from Switzerland look like, or whatever? Uh definitely just like looks like like the frat boy bro, dude, like hilarious, very cool, but like, but now uh in my brain, every guy from Switzerland looks is is is a frat boy. Um and I don't that's probably not accurate, but um but yeah, this podcast we we interview a different uh comedian every week from the Clean Comedy Collective, and uh we always encourage people to check out our website, cleancomedycollective.com. Uh Matt's in the New York section, I'm in the Tennessee section. Uh we have but we have comedians from all across the country, maybe someone really close to you, and it might be a great way to discover your new favorite comedian, or check out uh our earlier episodes. Uh, we've we've interviewed comedians from all across the country, and I believe this is episode 23 or 24 now. So we're still we're still going strong. We bring a different comedian every week. So uh, but thank you all for listening. Uh super excited about Matt is a uh he is a comedian, uh obviously because he's on this podcast. He is a cartoonist, uh, he is a actor, uh, he is uh he is a producer, show producer, and talk about some of the shows he produces. And uh, as you might uh know already from the episode title, he is he is a pastor, he's pastor Matt.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, yeah, spinning a bunch of different plates.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So um, do you have a plate that's like your favorite or that feels the most normal for you? Like doing all those things. I don't know if it's like you're in certain moods and certain things, or if there's one thing that just really like um yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00I I I think it's more like kind of like a a kid mentality where it's just I'm enjoying it all, like a playground, and um the the worlds collide very often, you know. So I mean it's there's there's wonderful aspects of all of it for sure. But but I I love it mostly w when there's overlap and it just all all just works together.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, talk to me a little bit about um because this is a shared experience. I'd love to hear from you. Um what a pastor and comedian. And so how do your how do your church people feel about you being a pastor? Do they come to your shows? Do they love do they love having a pastor that's like a comedian? Do you do jokes on stage? Like what tell me about the combination. And and yeah, yeah. Well do they ever the other part of it too? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, I'll I'll take a couple of those. So um, so yeah, they they've they're very supportive. I I love them so much. It's it's Grace Covenant Church in Rochester, New York. If anyone is uh driving by and wants to check it out. Um, but they're such a great church family, and some of them have come to the shows. And I think I think there's a huge trust aspect that they know that you know when I'm doing a sermon, I'm not trying to be a clown or anything like that, right? So um, but sometimes just who you are, it'll just come out, right? So, you're right. I mean you just just being authentic, just being authentic. But but no, I I never plan on on telling any jokes when I'm doing a sermon. Um, but very often it's just just being authentic, you know. And um so but but they've come to shows, they they love it, they know who I am. So, you know, I I think one of the the ways I operate, and it fits really good with the clean comedy collective, is you know, I always operate clean. So it doesn't matter who comes in. Um I'm never having like a gulp moment where it's like like bride.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's good. Because like any of your shows and they won't be shocked by the pastor saying whatever the pastor's saying, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So right, right. They they can trust me.
SPEAKER_02That's cool, that's good. And that and that also makes you, as a comedian, very marketable. The just the there's something to be said about uh this I'm gonna say like this is a safe comedian to put on the show. They'll they'll be funny, but they also won't say something that you know runs people off or whatever.
SPEAKER_00So for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_02So well, and that that answered one of the questions I was about to ask, which was like, Do you, you know, do you only work clean? Uh it sounds like you do, like you only Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's it's a rule that I have. Like I want to be, and it's just my own personal integrity. I want to be comfortable with whoever walks in the door. So, you know, even if my wife brought the kids or like whoever, it's just you know, I I I I don't want somebody to see a side that's not really authentic to me. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02And that's so important to learn like to be like with the material that we make that that we're okay with it. Because at the end of the day, yeah, you're gonna you're the one that has to live with it and say those jokes every time, right? Like, so for sure, for sure. So yeah, and I I feel I oh I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Oh, and I was gonna say it's also easier, it's it's easier to be me than trying to fake it, right?
SPEAKER_02Oh, absolutely, yeah. And that's the most being being your using your authentic voice is a really important as a comedian. A lot, I know like, and and maybe you you get this from people when talking about do because you work clean and stuff like that, and a lot of people um will come up to you like, oh, I could never, I could never do clean. And I'm like, that's okay, you don't have to. Now you are also uh you are also a show producer. Uh I see I see you post a lot of shows. I you actually had one maybe this past weekend, uh, and there were like several clean comedy collective comedians on it, and then I saw pictures of it. What was that? Tell me about that show.
SPEAKER_00So that was um in a town called Victor, New York. So it was at Forte Studios, um, and it was a whole clean comedy collective set. So um Michael Salt, he was uh he was the headliner, and and Johnny B and myself uh were the other feature acts, and it was it was amazing, great show, really good turnout. And uh I I always gauge the night just by by the laughter, right? So and it was laughter all night, so it was cool. It was really cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that that's awesome. And like I I only know the three of y'all through like a little bit of interaction, but I was like, man, that seems like that seems like a fun lineup, and that's isn't that so much fun when like you're on a great lineup with like friends where it kind of feels like you're just hanging out and there happens to be an audience around, right?
SPEAKER_00Well, Johnny B is right in my area, so so we'll collaborate a lot. But this was our first time working with Michael, and he and he he's hilarious. So I I would encourage people to go check him out on the comedy collective New York section too. But um, but yeah, you know, just check out check out Michael and Johnny B. Both are both are very funny.
SPEAKER_02I love that. And uh everyone who's listening, you can go to our site, cleancomedycollective.com, you can go to New York, and then you can see the the we have little cards for each comedian, almost like I in my brain, it's like baseball cards for each comedian, and then when then when you hover over it, it switches, and then you can go straight to their website and learn more about them that way, which is awesome. Um, now, but you you produce a lot of fundraiser shows, right?
SPEAKER_00Um, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's really where my heart is at. You know, in some ways, I I find it it's almost like a win-win, right? Right, because it's like you mean you people are coming, it's for a great cause, and um, you know, already you have the win of supporting something that you believe in. So I I I I run a homeless shelter, so I've done some shows for that. Just a lot of different ones. Um, but but yeah, I I I gravitate towards that. It's um, and you know, and sometimes I get a little extra boost of passion when I'm coming up with um all the work that it takes to produce a show, but when it's for a cause that I really believe in, you know, there's like a little extra motivation.
SPEAKER_02I love that. I love when I get to do a fundraiser show or show for a good cause or like a charity, because you're right, in addition to, I mean, any comedian when they're performing, it's like, well, you get to help these people have a great time and a cool experience of fun, give them, but then there's also the additive, oh, and like the work we're doing is helping this cause, and that's just an added, yeah. So that you you can't beat that. Um, I'm impressed with your fundraiser shows. I'm gonna use the because the we're on one, uh, we're we're on one in October 27th at Zany. I think it's October 27th, yeah. Yep, yeah. At Zany's, uh, it's a fundraiser show for the uh Nash Nashville Rescue Mission. Yeah, and and I'm really impressed that like like you got one going at like our top comedy club, like and not just Nashville's top comedy club, but Zany's is the top in the South, right? And so, and I I see a lot, um, I see a lot of cool places that you run shows. So I'm interested in the process of like, like, how do you go about like creating such a big event? They don't just let anyone, you know, like start a show there, as well. They shouldn't, by the way. But like, so I didn't I was I that was something I was interested. Like, man, he's he's not just doing fundraiser shows, he's doing at fundraiser shows at like comedy clubs, and I think yeah, yeah, I think that that's cool, and that's something worth talking about. Like, I don't know if you had uh oh no, sure, sure.
SPEAKER_00I I think I'm trying to there's not an exact formula, uh, I think it's um caring for all of the parties. So, you know, first it's you know talking to the the group that we're fundraising for, so the the rescue mission, is this something you'd be interested in? And usually that's a no-brainer, like you know, so so so they they they were good with it, but approaching Zanies, I I think the the mindset was is there like a night where you know maybe it's a little bit slower, you know, where it wouldn't conflict. So so on this particular one, I I chose um we landed on a Tuesday. It's Tuesday, October 27th. Um, it's in the lab. And um and I think another thing we started planning it months and months ahead so that we can anticipate selling it out. Um right, so it so I guess just making it good for all of the parties, yeah, right? So it's not just calling them up where where the interest is just on me, right?
SPEAKER_02You know, right that's that's a good way to look at it. Whenever we're doing something like producing a show, make sure everybody's winning. Um sure, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yo, and it's such a cool lineup. I mean, I think we're I was just about to say that. Yeah, we mentioned that. This lineup is really cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh, it's Rick Roberts is headlining. No, no, no, he's he's featuring and then Brian Bates is headlining, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean all of them are are gonna be doing about like 40 minutes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know, okay, so yeah, they um I'm so excited about the show, and um, and by and so by the way, people listening from Nashville, October 27th, go ahead and get your tickets now. It's gonna be a great show, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Uh but what's super fun, what's super fun for me is uh so way back, I mean, probably like a decade ago, maybe more. Um, I took Rick Roberts like comedy classes. Like I did two out of three of them. I uh I was young enough at the time I was like, I don't need to do the business class in hindsight. I should have done the business class, but um, but I did the I did the writing and and then I did the performing class. Um, and I remember uh Brian Bates was uh kind of always there, and I think he like helped out with the class, but like I think he probably is also there to to learn as well, just kind of you know help out in areas. But I mean him and Recon friends were friends, and and so are great guys. Just I'm yeah, I'm so excited to uh because yeah, they're kind of staples in the Nashville comedy scene. And so uh it's fun for me because they have been um you know instrumental to my own comedy development, uh literally taking classes or just you know, watching or talking, and so so like yeah, it's it'll be a cool show. Like uh I'm I'm just hosting, but I'm excited to be around, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm also a graduate of Rick Roberts, so yeah, so so when I first got it into comedy, um I I took all his classes. I mean, I I yeah I started absorbing just classes, but Rick's was he's so um like methodical with like just the stuff that he teaches. If anyone because I think he saved a lot of his um podcasts, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yep, there's I think it's called School of Laughs.
SPEAKER_00I think it's an amazing resource, it really is. But but I I got his whole curriculum and I I took all his classes and uh but him and Brian are just amazing, they're they're really just great individuals.
SPEAKER_02I mean, they're also outstanding comedians, but just great individuals, very cool guys, which those are exactly the guys like like this is the kind of show for them. They they you know they're the good cause and they they're they'll be funny and it's great. Um, I I remember my favorite random piece of knowledge that I learned in Rick Roberts class. Uh, we're talking about different uh different kinds of jokes, and so we got to put talking about puns and and how puns are the lowest form of humor, and how like when you laugh at a pun, you you involuntarily kind of like sigh and like get like your chest gets down because it's almost like you're ashamed that you just laughed at it. And so so the trick that Rick Roberts would tell us was so the trick in your when you're organizing your routine, do a pun and then follow it with one of your most heavy-hitting jokes because people are like down, like they're like I it's hard to explain, but like you're you're breathing wise, you're down, and you have to literally work harder to get that big laugh. And he's like, And if a room full of people does that, that's what creates the belly laugh effect, and so like it'll get a bigger laugh in the room, and then especially like in a little comedy club, you know, there people are laughing, and the club owners like back, you know, handling ticket sales or whatever, accounting or whatever. Uh he's gonna hear all these like laughs, and he's like, Man, I should really book that guy again.
SPEAKER_00Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It was like such a it was like the science of laughing, and I was like, That's super helpful, right?
SPEAKER_00You know, well, I mean he's he's a master, you know, like he really is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so you produce shows, you're a pastor.
SPEAKER_00You also I got a show. I got a show coming this Friday in Rochester. It's at uh Focus Theater. Um, I organize um a clean comedy contest. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah. So it's uh 13 comedians, each one has uh four minute spots. Um, and uh it's great. And so and some of these comedians they don't always work clean, but they they're excited about it and they're yeah, they're gonna try it out, and it's you know, they they see it as a challenge and it's gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_02I love that. I love creating space for not usually clean comedians to work clean if they want to. Uh I because I I teach as well, um, and I always encourage all comics. Hey, get yourself at least 10 at the very least, get yourself 10 to 15 minutes of clean material. Uh and I love love and natural when we run open clean open mics and we encourage the the not clean comics to come and try, come and learn. And uh, and I think it's so important. And you know, a four-minute set is a great space to because a lot for a lot of comedians who are like, Oh, I could never do clean. I sometimes push back. I'm like, I bet you, yeah, obviously that you probably have some jokes that aren't clean jokes, and don't do those for like a clean set, but like I bet you a lot of your stuff could be clean, you know.
SPEAKER_00Well, 100% everyone on this lineup is hilarious, so it's like it's like, man, I know you got four minutes of clean in it for sure.
SPEAKER_02So, how are they gonna um is it like an audience vote? Do you have judges? Are you gonna are you gonna just pick the winner? Like, how how do you how do you win the contest?
SPEAKER_00It's gonna be um based on on audience, yeah. So I I have a scorecard, and uh so uh there's a guy that's gonna be doing a guest spot, um like a like a 15-minute spot while I'm counting up the votes, but um but it's gonna be tallied uh based on the audience and a deduction if they go over the four minutes, and that's good. And a deduction if it's not clean.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's good.
SPEAKER_00It's win-win. I mean, like they're gonna be having a good time, and um it's a hundred dollars cash prize, but yeah, you know, the the Rochester comedy scene is so supportive. I mean, we're we're everyone on the lineup, we're all friends, and uh, you know, we we all we all want to see each other succeed. So I really love the Rochester comedy scene. Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, do you do you all have a uh nearby club? Are there are there many clubs around you? Yeah, yeah. So I think local like bars and stuff, or sure, sure.
SPEAKER_00The the the main club is is the Carlson comedy at the Carlson. That that's the main one around here. Um close to us in Buffalo is Helium, but uh Carlson is the big one. And uh very cool. Yeah, and those guys are great. You know, Brian Bates, uh, he came in uh in April, and then we did two shows there, sold out both shows.
SPEAKER_02So that yeah, that no now that I think of this is random, but I I literally I did I was on a show with Brian last Monday at Zany's, and he had mentioned knowing he was mentioning knowing you and medium comedians from the clean comedy collective, and and so you must have been talking it must have been talking about the show any because we were also like, Oh, yeah, we're on that show in October with him too. So I completely forgot about that. That was just a few days. It's been it's been a long week already Wednesday. I'm forgetting what was going on on Monday, but like I saw the line above that show.
SPEAKER_00That looked like a really cool show.
SPEAKER_02Oh, it was so much fun. It was uh so so, of course, of course, the way that the the so um for anyone listening, uh especially in the Nashville area, every Monday uh at the lab, Zanys has a a Natel, they call it the Nat Land show. It's a it's a clean comedy showcase. Um, and what's really cool about it is you can you can kind of assume that you're gonna see a couple in our area bigger clean comedians. So, like right off the bat on that show, John Christ opened it up and Brian Bates closed it out, right? So, like they're already like already that's that's I don't I don't think it's an expensive show. I think it's like five dollar tickets or whatever, but like that's already worth it right there, right? For sure, for sure. But but what was super fun for me was uh the whole lineup was just friends of mine, people also aside from uh the like people that are also in the clean comedy collective, and um, and everyone had everyone a good set, but it was like it was a cool hang in the green room, like people were so yeah, so it was um I left just thinking like, man, that was I I I think I even I I might have said I I alluded to this earlier, but it felt like I was just hanging out with my friends, and then like there was an audience there too, and we took turns out. I love it. I love it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so so a little plug, I'm gonna be doing that before our show. So I I'm on uh Monday, the 26th of October. I'll be doing okay, very cool.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, literally the night before. So um, that is awesome. You will have so much fun. Um, I've done that that showcase a few different times, and it's always the audience um is always into it. Uh the the you know it's a very low-key, low pressure kind of thing. So um enjoy it. So I'll I'll it I don't know what I I don't know right now what I'm doing on October 26th, but I'll try to make it if I can.
SPEAKER_00So right, either way, but uh yeah, yeah, I'm excited to be there. And my my first time in Nashville, but it's and you know what's cool is there's several people from Rochester that they said, uh man, I always wanted to come to Nashville, they're planning trips to be there.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's so cool! That's awesome. That's great. Um, I love that. So, and then you you do a couple non-comedy related, uh but still very creative fields. Uh, so talking about like acting, and we're also talking about being a cartoonist. Um, so uh talk to me a little bit about those. Those are and I'm um I'd love to hear a little bit more about acting, but like I you are the first, I think you're the first cartoonist we've had on this podcast. So I've done and maybe the first cartoonist I've ever talked to. Like, so I'd I'd love to hear more about that too.
SPEAKER_00Sure. So cartooning was probably my first love. I mean, but that's actually what helped me get into comedy because you know, with cartooning, you're like always writing gags and you know, just trying to put a twist on something so you have the surprise. But I used to work at an animation studio called Animatus Studio here in Rochester, so we would do commercials and special effects for low budget films and things like that. Um, but I've been teaching cartooning and doing you know freelance comic strips and character design just for about 30 something years, um, and teaching classes, but so so yeah, that was always like a first love. Um, and I think honestly, between doing that and being a pastor, that's where I saw the almost like um a permission to try to do stand-up because being a pastor, you're in front of people all the time. So I I didn't have that inhibition like like a stage fright, right? So it was like I I was already good with with that aspect, and then the writing gags, I I I could kind of feel like these puzzle pieces coming together. So and you know what? Honestly, I think my age. Age has given me some some uh an element of success because I'm not trying to live for anyone's approval. Right.
SPEAKER_02That is listen, I I can speak to that personally about like when I started comedy in my early 20s, there was so much just trying to get everyone to like me, whether it was the audience, the other comedians, at times myself, like just this. This is it was such a motivating factor. And I've seen just even you know, once you get to your 30s, and as you get close, like for me, closer to the 40s, yeah, the older you get, the less that kind of stuff bothers you. So it is a gift, right?
SPEAKER_00Right. Like, like I always want to work with excellence. I'm I'm writing every day and practicing, but at the end of the day, it's like, you know, you know, if you don't like me, then like whatever. You know, so yeah, yeah, and so like the the acting, you know, so so that's been, you know, I've I've done I did a commercial for Comedy Central back in the 90s. Um uh and uh I did some I I was I played Satan on a Christian film. Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_02That that's gonna be an interesting thing to tell your friends. Yeah, were you also a pastor at the time where you could say actually I was I was a youth pastor at the time. That makes more sense then you get a lot.
SPEAKER_00That that was a cool role. I mean, I I was glad when it was over.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, oh I'm still here. I accidentally turned off my video. Sorry about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Uh you know, because giving it the character, I was glad when that role was over. Um, but uh, but no, just but but it was uh it was good, man. You know, and I'm trying to think of you know any any other ones, but you know, doing skits with people and things like that. It's always been something I always enjoyed, you know, for sure. You know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I love that it sounds like you are good at having fun, right? Like all these roles here, I can hear that you enjoyed it, like, or this was a cool thing about it. Uh, and I know for entertainment, for comedy, for probably for any any realm of creativity, the importance of just enjoying yourself.
SPEAKER_00Oh my goodness. Yeah, so yeah, like like if if I'm not if I'm not having fun, then why am I doing this? Right? That's right, you know, and I mean, especially if you start calculating the amount of hours that you're putting in to performing, but also writing and practicing and doing stuff like that. It's like if this isn't fun, I don't want to, I don't want to do it at all.
SPEAKER_02Right, you know, it's not it's a lot of the struggle, yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, and I think uh and this might be where some of that um my faith component comes in as a pastor. Like I think it's so special to help people laugh and have fun, right? So, like, like even before I go into a show, a lot of people that know me in the area, like they know that I'll say like a little prayer just to to help me help me bring joy to some people. Like, like because I I I often think there's some people out there, they're just having a hard day. You know, you know, I mean just having a hard time. And if you can make them smile or laugh, then it's like job done, man. I did good.
SPEAKER_02It is it is so like, yeah, they're laughing is so healing or so healthy. And you know, you know, as a as a pastor, oftentimes we will come to you and uh your words or listening to them is a way that you can help heal and help them and stuff like that. Um but sometimes we don't need words, we don't need someone to listen to it, yes. But like what we need is to sit down and just laugh and have a good time, you know.
SPEAKER_00And so they it's like a mental, like a little mental vacation, you know, like absolutely like you got you got me away from the problems that I was facing for a little while. Actually, I'll I'll I'll uh put a little uh kudos your way. I'll give you some flowers. So I I keep a journal of just really uh I guess intrical things that I that that help me. And you you said something in an interview, I think a couple weeks ago that I I put in my journal. And you said, yeah, you you said uh is the juice worth the squeeze? And and I thought it was so cool because it's like it's talking about like is this effort really worth the output? Right? So if the output's not fun, then I don't want to do it, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, absolutely. And that was I um man, I don't know, I don't remember the context of what I said that, but like I do feel like sometimes with uh I there was a point where like I was really pushing hard full-time entertainment, and I kind of that the question was like, is it really worth all of what I'm all the stress and the struggle and stuff like that? Uh and for me, I was like, I'm gonna step back a little bit and then it's gonna be more fun, and I've seen that to be true a little bit, so I think that's important. Um, and thank you for that. That's cool. Um, I I'm glad I'm glad something I say here makes sound.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, it it it was a really cool statement, but I think it's also it's indicative of my approach. Like, I'm always trying to just uh I don't know, man. It's like it's like just absorbing. Like I just I just I love this um this this comedy journey so much. Like like it's just an obsession.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, it's it's and the it's just it's like a like the uh rabbit hole. The more you get into it, the more that there's there. It's so fantastic. So um I let me talk to you a little bit about your comedy journey. And here's the first question I have about that. Um because I'm I'm relating to my own experience. I'm wondering if you've had a similar experience, and it's totally okay if you haven't. Um, but um I feel like when I look back to when I started doing comedy, and I was a I was a youth pastor at the time as well. Uh, doing comedy and every all the like everything I learned through stand-up comedy ended up helping me be a better pastor. Uh not and I'm not even I'm not even talking about like uh preaching and adding jokes and knowing and you know that kind of stuff, uh just being naturally funny. I'm talking about uh through the process of comedy, for me, it helped me be more accepting and more tolerant and more loving, just more understanding of people. Um, and I so I was wondering if you feel like being in some ways the process of following comedy, doing comedy, learning comedy, this this entire like like you said, this whole thing of comedy, if if that's impacted your ministry positively. Yeah, yeah, the uh if the opposite is true as well.
SPEAKER_00So sure. No, no, I think it definitely has helped, and that's what I was saying in the beginning. Like I really love the overlaps on just the different ways. But but I think to your point, right, about um not even just like the delivery, but just helping you uh do it better. Approach I have with comedy is I keep remembering it, it's it's not really about me. And that's kind of a shift of perspective because you you're in front of everyone. So sometimes you you think it's all about you, but really I have to be uh attuning to the audience and and and it's and it's about them, right? And so I I I had that's taken me a while to really get a hold of and learn, but the more I can keep in mind that it's really about the audience and it's not about me, then my performance is always better. And and so if I keep that same perspective with anyone that I'm teaching, then then yeah, it's it's good. But um, but but I think even in the way I approach writing, you know, because if you have a premise for a joke that's not even really understandable, you know, like people are gonna be like, I don't know what he's talking about, right? Right. Yeah. And then if if I if I delivered a sermon and they're driving home and it's like, you know, nice guy, but I don't know what he's talking about, right? So it helps me like always um sometimes I put myself in like the audience perspective, right? Or or the congregation's perspective. Like, like, okay, how is this coming across to them? Right.
SPEAKER_02And you're probably more aware of it than other pastors. Like, there, it's so it's especially, I mean, church congregations, so their pastors on Sunday morning are so nice, you're not gonna get a heckler, probably. You're probably not gonna get like like so, like it is, and and yeah, sure, some people might send you an email later, be like, Well, this is what I thought about your message, but the majority of them are just just kind of accept it, like that was the Sunday message, and like I it's it is so easy to just go through an entire ministry and preach every week, teach every week, and do a you know, say a lot and also say a lot of nothing for the longest, and just everyone's kind of cool with it, he's doing his thing, so but I feel like comedy and the the importance of like reading the room, reading the audience, picking up on people's reactions. Yeah, I know when I was preaching, it kind of helped me, and when I was teaching, it helped me be more cognizant of when I'm losing people or when I'm like, is this something that actually applies to, you know, because you just yeah, you can't explain it, but you can just you just know it better because you're better at reading the room, you know.
SPEAKER_00Do you do you know uh something that I think really helped, and it might even be the other way around, is where the the preaching actually helped with this because I I first started preaching with um through a street ministry, so it wasn't it wasn't even uh tough audience, yeah. Right, right, right. Because you could have someone just yelling at you from the from the street, you know, or or like yeah, I remember one time someone was yelling something from a window in a building, but but but if you can like not let that rattle you, right? And just can uh and being willing to shift gears. I remember one time I was preaching at a homeless shelter, and and someone said, Yeah, but what about this? And I I put down my sermon and I said, Okay, well let's talk about that, right? I love that, you know, and uh but I but I think that has helped me a lot in in the comedy world too, you know.
SPEAKER_02And I and I feel like ministry and or just the I I don't it's I'm sure it's more than just folks that work in ministry that can apply this, but like I feel like it's a skill set that you have when you're in ministry, really helps you to relate to people and to connect to people and talk to people and understand people, and that helps so much when you're interacting in comedy, especially like at open mics with like other comedians with others, you know, and I feel like it gives insight. Um I feel like that's helped me with the just connecting with people a little bit. Um, but so now I'm interested in your comment. Also, how long how long have you been doing comedy? I I want to say in my brain, you're like a a a bit newer to it.
SPEAKER_00I you know, I never you know it's interesting because it's like when I landed, it was almost like I've been here for a while because of you know it was almost like the right lane and it's just been going, but it's it's been a few years. I I would say maybe like two and a half, two years. You know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But you've hit the you've really hit the ground running, like you found the things that are you're doing well at and you're leaning into those, and that's something really cool.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, so and it it was honestly, it was it was like some of the pieces were already there. Um, but you know, there's a there's a mantra that I keep telling myself where I just want to be the best white belt that I can be. Right, you know, so like if I look at it like karate, you know, it's just like you know, there's always something to learn. And every time I'm hanging out with like some seasoned professionals, you know, I can just tap into just their expertise and I and I realize how much more I still need to learn, right? Um, so I so I keep saying that. I I just want to be the best white belt I can be, but also that premise really helps me because and this is where I think I have found some success. I I don't overextend myself, you know. So I think for a long time I only wanted to do five to ten minute sets because I I didn't want to set myself up and just like say, okay, well, I'll I'll go out and do 30 or 40, right? Right, absolutely. Right, you know, and because because right now it has taken me about two years to get to that point where where I can where I where I can do that.
SPEAKER_02And I appreciate that about you because when I first started, uh especially my first year, but even my second year, yeah, uh, probably my attitude was well, because I started preaching when I was like 16. So I was like, oh, I've spoken for longer, 30, 45 minutes. But in comedy, the skill is yeah, anyone can speak in for 30 minutes, but can you be funny and get laughs regularly for 30 minutes? And for for newer comedians listening, um, the it's not an absolute science, but the the the the the the statistics that people do go with are like trying to get a laugh every 10 to 15 seconds, you know. Yeah, yeah. And and if it goes longer, it just needs to be a bigger laugh. But like that's and that is harder than just speaking for 30 minutes, you know.
SPEAKER_00And so yeah, so so even though uh I'm relatively new in it, um I I think uh my foundation has been really good. And and that's helped me a lot. And I have really taken my time just trying to be an opener, you know, like you know, it talking to comedians and and finding out, you know, you know, do you mind if I open for you? And um not even caring if I'm getting paid. Like, like just I just want stage time, right? So like just that hunger for real stage time, yeah um, you know, and just having you know that gratitude and and humility and just being coachable, I think that helps a lot, right?
SPEAKER_02Makes such a difference. And it is that is a fun part about doing comedy is when you surround yourself with like when you're on a show. I actually like being on a show where it's very obvious to me that I am not the most experienced or most skilled or because then you then you get to look around and you learn like you learn you see how people are doing it who are maybe like that next level, and it's like, oh, that's what I I want to learn how to do that, or I see that yeah. I did um I was on a show several years ago, um, and it was a very formative moment for me because uh I was I was just I was I was the opener, I wasn't the host, but I was like just the first one. And then uh following me was a com a local comedian. He I don't think he does it as much here, but his name's Jim Seward, and he was absolutely hysterical. And then following Jim Seward was Dusty Slay, absolutely hysterical. And um, but I got up, um, so I went first before them, and I I did have a really good like 10-15 minute set. Like in my head, it was like one of the best I'd ever, you know. I I remember getting off, you know, being like, Man, I just absolutely killed, like that was so good. And then uh with both the following comedians, there was just so much more laughter from their routines because they were just so much more experienced, and it was a great room, and they were working it. And I remember my takeaway from that show was like, okay, I did good for where I'm at right now, but there I can get better, you know. I oh my god, yeah, you know, like I can and I thought and and I think back to that show frequently because uh I've I'm sure there's been other times where I've walked out like that, I was just the God's gift to this room. That was that was the best, you know. And like it's I think as a comedian, it's important to have that objectivity to be like, okay, this was good, but how do we make it better? kind of thing. And so and I don't I don't know if you'll ever get to a point where you'll be like, Well, I've made it. This is the best it's gonna get.
SPEAKER_00So I don't know, man. I probably not.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, but I I have I haven't gotten to that point yet. Uh, I don't think I've listened to any comedian who said they've gotten to that point yet. But um so so uh a question about your comedy journey, and it's twofold. I like is that you can give me two answers. Um, I want to know like this the coolest and most exciting and awesome moment uh that you've had since you've been doing comedy, comedy related. Um, and then I'd also love to hear like what's one of the biggest challenges you've had to deal with in your two or so years of doing comedy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so uh I'll start with one of the coolest things. So so this is gonna be uh about Brian Bates, you know, right? So he was scheduled to come to Rochester for a show, and he actually came with Nate and performed at one of our arenas around here, you know. And I so I my wife and I went and saw him, and and I think I messaged him or something and just said, man, the show was fantastic. He hit me back right away. You know, I mean, just so personable, just so personable. And I saw that he was performing about five hours from me in Canada at a church, and and the whole church, the the it was a function about Guatemala because the the church was doing some kind of mission work there. And I told him, I said, look, I used to live in Guatemala as a missionary, and um I'll go there and open for you if the pastor agrees, and I don't even need to get paid. And yeah, yeah. So he he reached out and he messaged me back and he said, Yeah, it's a go. So I drove five hours to do five minutes, but but it was amazing, right? I mean, so it's kind of like one of those things is like yes, for me it's worth it because I got to work with someone at that caliber, right? And um and it was a whole different kind of environment because be before that I was doing like just clubs, and and that that is a little bit about one of the difficulties. So as a preacher, I I can usually see people, right? And at a club, that was an adjustment where it's it's all dark, you know, and the light is on you, right? And I was like, oh my goodness, like that was such a strange adjustment because I like seeing people's faces and relating and relating to them. So the first time I started doing that in the complete darkness, that that that was hard for me. Um, and some clubs just vary in their level of darkness, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, that's very true. Some comedians, like some of the headliners, sometimes that we're in up to hey, turn on the lights, let me ask these people. Oh man, I've never done that myself, but they I've I've heard comedians I've been on a show before we're like, you know what, just let me look let me look at these people real quick. I'm like, I think that's a headliner move. I don't think you can just do that when you're like opening or featuring.
SPEAKER_00I hate that. I uh so so that that's always been an adjustment for me where I can't see anyone, I just see a light, and I don't like that at all because because part of it is is is I like seeing your expressions, I like seeing you laugh, or if I said something in a recent show, I said something and the wife nudges the husband, and and it was like that was that was cool because it's like I could tell that he maybe was doing some of the same things that I was mentioning or something, right? Yeah, you know, absolutely, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So that that's that's a good point, and you're right, and then you get to a point where like with when you're doing you know dark clubs or you can't see anyone, or even like theaters where you can't see everyone, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you learn your jokes well enough to know the reaction that people are probably having, so you can play off of it where you can look into the darkness like you're looking at someone, seven people think you're looking at them, and then you can like react to what people normally react to with that joke, and then they think it's super cool because they feel like you've seen them, but then it it's not the same as performance, like it's not like you're actually seeing and connecting with the people, though.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, but so I I think so. I think that was probably one of my coolest moments, and then there's um there's another, I think, Tennessee comedian, um Brad Stein. He came to town and um I opened for him in Rochester and Buffalo, so that was really cool too. Um, so yeah, I mean, just a lot, a lot of cool opportunities, and there's some amazing local comedians that I've had the pleasure of of being on their shows as well, you know.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, I love yeah, you get to do a lot of cool things doing this. You get to meet a lot of cool people, you get to go to a lot of cool or weird places that make fun stories. Um, but yeah, it always goes back to like enjoy remembering to enjoy what we're doing, you know.
SPEAKER_00Um 100% that that could be the theme of this whole interview, honestly.
SPEAKER_02It really could be, and and but what I've seen as I as I've grown, like what I've seen as I've worked with more professional comedians is remembering to enjoy yourself, the further you go, the more important it is to keep that. Because I I feel like I I actually I started teaching a new session of my stand-up class just yesterday, and I was telling this to them. Uh, I feel like I know plenty of comedians that have been doing it for a while and they have successful careers. And I frankly, they probably feel they're too far in to quit. Like, I know a lot of us at some point is like, well, I've been doing this for over a decade, I'm gonna stop, you know. Like I put wait, but like they've maybe lost some of the like ability to enjoy it and they're just you know miserable.
SPEAKER_00But well, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're doing cool things, you know. I I what I've seen a lot is when someone finds or what when they they make this their identity, um, then if things aren't going well, very often they get threatened, right? Right, and then like like fear will come in, envy will come in, uh, because it's like attacking the their whole being, right?
SPEAKER_02So I think you're in a better place when you're just having fun with it, and you realize it's a cool thing you're doing, but who you are is much more important than the jump and you know, and you're you're so much more than just the comedian, and that's uh that's sure what a lot of us, you know, doing comedy is our favorite part of our identity, so we're really leaning into it, and then we're like I know I know that's that's something I've uh grown in my own understanding. Uh I feel like my mantra this year is like not to let any one thing define me. Uh, I've been guilty of doing that with jobs. Like, if it wasn't stand up comedy, it was being a youth pastor. That Like my one thing, and it's great when that's going great, but you're right. When it's a rough week, then you're like, Well, what do I do now? So right, right. Well, we're gonna jump to the uh ask a comedian part of our show. So this is where um uh uh we already talked about this uh before the interview, Matt. But for anyone listening, uh, this is a section where I'm gonna pick uh Matt's gonna help me pick three random questions on my list, uh, and I'm gonna ask him. And these all these questions have come to me uh via social media. Uh people um uh at Drew Davis Comedy for like Instagram or threads or people that are connected with me uh on Facebook, um, or you can even send I've even had people email me questions or respond to episodes or whatever. Uh but basically you send me questions and then I add them to a list and we eventually ask it to a comedian, and it's really fun to hear their answers to your questions. Um, so uh if you're listening to this episode, uh feel there's a send mail option. You can if you're on YouTube watching us, you can comment below a question. If you're on any of our social medias, you can ask it that way. If you know me in person, you could just like show up or text me uh to add a question to a list and I'll I'll do it. Uh it preferably if you know me, not like if you show up to my house and you don't know me. I mean, I'll still add your question to the list, but uh I'll be adding you to a list as well.
SPEAKER_00So restraining order. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02No one's done that yet, and we don't need to we don't need to start that. That's not so so uh Pastor Matt, I have uh give me a number between one and twenty. Oh, actually, give me three numbers between one and twenty-seven, and that's gonna dictate the questions we're gonna ask you.
SPEAKER_00All right, so we're gonna go with three, and we'll we'll go with uh 12 and 15.
SPEAKER_02Three, twelve, and fifteen. All right, let's see what we got here. Um, oh, this is a good one for you because we were talking, we were uh you were commenting earlier about my superhero poster, my Marvel poster in the back of our both we bought it over, we're both superhero fans. So this question comes to us uh on threads from James Mack, who's a comedian uh up north. I don't think the Rochester area, but he might be a New York comedian. But he he's one I've known for a while. And his question was um, um, what is one superpower you would want and why?
SPEAKER_00Wow, man. So I I'm such a superhero nerd. So I I'll put it out there that my my favorite, one of my favorites is Green Lantern, just because he can do it, right? Just because he's only limited by his imagination. Um, but but lately I I keep imagining such a cool superpower would be to just absorb information from books. I know, like if I could just touch a book and just absorb it. Um I just keep thinking, yeah, just keep thinking.
SPEAKER_02I recently rewatched the whole heroes series. And uh, and of course they have a bunch of different uh superpowers in it. And one of the ones I thought looked really cool that like I don't feel like it's in enough of these kind of shows, is like they had a power where like if you touched something, you suddenly learned its whole history. Yeah, like and so you just and and I was like, man, what a that would be an interesting thing to it would be, it'd be like a download, a downloadability.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so all right.
SPEAKER_02So this next question comes to us on Facebook from Shanti Hughes. He's actually another comedian here in the Clean Comedy Collective, and even more than that, he is one of the founding people of the Clean Comedy Collective, and uh he is the balloon guy, he's the balloon guy, yeah. He does a lot of balloons, yeah. He was in our very first episode. Uh cool guy. Um, so uh it's just like a very serious question. It's just like a complete tone shift completely. So here we go. Answer this out, everyone. Or if you're like, I don't know, that's that's okay too. It's like, what was your lowest point in your comedy career, and how did you get over it?
SPEAKER_00Um you know, okay, I I I think I do have one. So I I organized a big show, and a lot of my family came and um I intentionally, and this is a lesson I I had to learn. I intentionally wanted to do something that they haven't seen. Um, so I was I was trying to just bring something new, and but I didn't spend enough time with it, so it wasn't as good. And then after and so it went okay, but it just wasn't it felt like it landed more at a C that an A. And then I was talking to uh the headliner comedian, and he said, Matt, just just give them your A material, you know, like that that's what they want. So even if they heard it before, just you know, it it gets better every time you do it. Yeah, so so I had to keep that in mind. But I think as a there was a like a performer element in me where I wanted to like give them a surprise, give them something new. Um so I I put a burden on myself that I didn't have to do, and I think there was another part that that I've had to be really intentional, um, not going too fast.
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SPEAKER_00So, you know, and so actually my wife came to a show and and I love her to death because like she is probably the most authentic person that I've ever met. So she came to a show and I said, I said, well, so what do you think? And she said, I hated it. Oh and she said, she said, at home, you're hilarious. And I I got tears in my eyes because you're so funny, but that particular show, you were just going so fast and it it didn't seem natural. She said, I I I just want you to do what you normally do. Right. So so I I understood what she was saying. It was it was like really cool feedback.
SPEAKER_02It was yeah, because she seemed the authentic, the funny, the real version, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00What you could be, and yeah. So she didn't want she didn't want the artificial. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_02Man, and I I do, I know I that's a struggle for comedians when you're you know, when you're on you're performing somewhere and it's like, do you do you do your best stuff? Do you do the stuff that I know needs to be worked? And like I feel I feel like I do, I have tears of like, and depending on the show, like I so it there's the shows where I'm like, well, absolutely I'm gonna do my best stuff. Uh if you know, like that absolutely like and or sometimes it's like, well, so there's someone here I want to impress, so I'm gonna do my best stuff, that kind of thing. Um, but I also give myself permission um on like sometimes with local shows, like if it's a free local show with an audience, um if there's been stuff I've been trying at open mics that has been doing well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But maybe it's like my B list material BC list. But I'll I'll put it in the middle of my act. I'll say, you know what, we're gonna try some stuff that might not work, you know. Um, but like, but still for me, like if it's a show, I'm I'm I'm not I I don't feel super comfortable trying brand new stuff. Um like and just going for it. Now I have friends and and and in their defense, they are they have less time to go to open mics and work stuff out because they're traveling and touring so much. So they actually have a significant, like a special part of their routine each night where they're gonna try out some new jokes, but then they get right back onto the stuff that they know works. Um and that's how they kind of yeah, and so there's a skill to that, but um yeah, yeah, but yeah, so but I'm always I'm always second guessing myself, wow, should I do my show the best stuff? Should I try something new?
SPEAKER_00Um and yeah, but there's so much to learn, you know, all the time. And that's what I mean about just being the best white bell, because even if even when I'm hanging out with C's and pros and I see and I've seen some of their sets like a hundred times, but then I'll see them mixing it up, right? Yeah, and they're like you know, changing up their whole lineup, and it's like, oh, but there's like a whole different thought process that they're going through, you know. And so sometimes I'll play with you know all that as well, you know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and uh and it's fun, it's like the the skill of comedy is a very uh fun thing to figure out, you know? Yeah, um, okay. Last question. This comes from a fellow uh clean comedy collective comedian who's also been on this podcast, Chrissy Isles. And her question is do you have an outfit that it you exclusively travel in? Like when you're traveling, do you have a specific outfit?
SPEAKER_00Oh, you just just to go to the show, just go to the show.
SPEAKER_02Maybe if it's a road gig, it's one you're gonna wear on the road, you know.
SPEAKER_00Nah man, just just fellas usually don't like no, just I I I lean towards comfort, so so it'd probably just be just an old pair of baggy jeans and you know, whatever t-shirt feels comfortable, but yeah. But I you know, but no, I don't I don't have travel clothes.
SPEAKER_02No, me neither. And I think part of that might depend on like what you wear to perform. Like for me, I'm mostly in jeans and t-shirts when I perform anyway. So what I travel in is what I could perform in.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, yeah. Now, sometimes I I I have played with just the aspect that I'm a pastor, so sometimes I'll go in in clergy clothing.
SPEAKER_02That's right.
SPEAKER_00I for yeah, yeah. But um, but it's never making fun of clergy, it's just you know, it's who I am. So sometimes if I feel like wearing it, I I'll wear it. Um, but other times just t-shirt and jeans, or sometimes a suit. It just, you know, I don't no rhyme or reason. It's just if I feel like wearing something, then then I'll wear it, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, Matt, this is uh the portion of the show where you get to uh promote yourself, tell everyone where they can find you or what just let them know anything you want them to know about you and your comedy and life.
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, so you can find me on Facebook, just Matt Smelzer, um Instagram, uh pastor underscore Matt underscore comedy. But but check us out at Zany's in Nashville uh on October 27th. Uh spread the joy. Uh you can it's on their uh on their uh their calendar, but and also the 26th for Nataland Live. But um I look forward to to being there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we're well I'm glad that's gonna be a super fun show. I'm super uh I appreciate you including uh and what I'll probably link uh on the episode notes.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, and get tickets.
SPEAKER_02Uh now if you're listening to this episode way in the future, past October, that link's not gonna mean it'll still be there, but like it won't be good. But but for anyone listening to this live when it comes out or in a few weeks later, check it out because uh for national folks, it look it's gonna be a great lineup, it's gonna be a lot of fun, and it's a good cause, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the rescue mission that they're already getting their tickets, and I started, you know, here's another cool thing. So, Compassion International has been a really big part of my life, just sponsoring kids, yeah. And recently I became a uh a comedian for them, so I went through it. I went through a training to tell the story about compassion, and then I was talking to one of the trainers, and she said, Well, where I'm at in Nashville, and I was like, Well, wait a minute. So, so now now she's coming to the show and uh bringing all her compassion people, so it's gonna be a good time, it's really gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_02That's exciting, and then uh for everyone listening, uh, this is the Clean Comedy Chats. Uh, we you can find us on cleancomedycollective.com. Uh that's a great resource. You can check out uh all the comedians we have. We have about 250 comedians from uh 39 states and Switzerland. Um, and we uh and you can listen to previous episodes. Uh, we interview a different comedian every week. So uh if you like this interview, uh you know try try another one out. Maybe, maybe maybe, maybe you'll like all the interviews, and this becomes your new favorite thing. Uh, there is a donation function. Uh if you'd like to give to the Clean Comedy Collective, if if you'd like to join our Patreon, uh members get uh early access to episodes, and they also get um longer the uncut versions. Uh, oftentimes we just keep them to an hour or less, and then we put the full episode on Patreon and a lot of them, there's a lot more bonus content that you listen to. Uh, and I there's actually in the sometime soon future, we're gonna have a new function that uh Patreon members will be able to get. It's a little early to tell you what it is yet, but I promise you it'll be pretty cool and you might be into it. Uh, and lastly, for comedians listening to this podcast, if you're interested in joining the Clean Comedy Collective, uh, there is a submission process, and uh it starts with going to our website and sending in a submission form. So uh we'd love to hear from you if that's something you're interested in. Uh and you can also see what shows we have upcoming uh that are from all across the country. So, like I said, cleancomedycollective.com, great resource. Pastor Matt, thank you so much for being on the podcast.
SPEAKER_00It was a pleasure, it was an absolute pleasure.
SPEAKER_02Great chat. It's good to uh meet you in person and chat a little bit. I'm excited to get together in October and perform. And uh thank you all, everyone to listen to us. And this is a great chat, and we hope to see you next week. All right, bye.
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