Muscles, Mirrors & Misconceptions

We’re told that muscles mean confidence, discipline, and power - that a “perfect” body is the ultimate proof of masculinity. In this episode, we question that story and look at what actually lives underneath the physique.

Joined by Jesse Pattison, RuPaul’s Eye Candy, fitness model, and personal trainer - we unpack the emotional cost of being seen as a body before being seen as a person. We talk about desire, objectification, gym culture, and the quiet pressure to always look dominant, confident, and sexually assured.

We explore how a muscular body changes the way the world treats you - and whether that attention feels empowering, limiting, or isolating. We dive into insecurity disguised as discipline, rest disguised as guilt, and the unspoken fear that your worth is tied to how hard you train, how you look in the mirror, and how others consume you visually.

We also confront the assumptions that come with muscles: that strength means emotional distance, that masculinity means dominance, and that certain bodies come with fixed sexual roles and expectations. What happens when those assumptions don’t match who you actually are?

This episode is honest, reflective, and human. It’s about masculinity beyond the mirror, identity beyond the body, and what it really takes - mentally and emotionally - to live inside a form everyone thinks they understand.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome guys to Boys Bear Talk.

SPEAKER_01 0:02

We're just two husbands having some real talk, no shirts, no filters, no rules. No rules. No rules.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Today we have a RuPaul iCandy fitness model actor. I just found out, so I want to hear more. And personal trainer, Jesse Pattison.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Welcome, Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 0:23

Thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

We've been talking about this for a minute. I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Yeah, and I have to say something because I'm we met you at the gym and we thought you're such a douche. And you're such a sweet person.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

I know. I have this resting big dish.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

I'll just be like it's just like the tall, dude with the crazy body, like you look so, you know, so hot. So you you look like a douche, but you're so nice. So I just wanted to uh to say it.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Thank you so much. So non-douchey. Yeah. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

I definitely get into a zone, and when I'm in the gym, I'm just full focus. And yeah, sometimes it's not as like warm. Yeah. You know, I have to.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

But that's the only way you get to the point where you look like this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

You gotta get mad. You gotta get mad. Yeah. I got too many hoes I gotta prove wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Exactly. Exactly. Okay, guys, so today we're gonna talk about what it really means to live in a perfect body, desire, discipline, objectification, and the emotional cost of masculinity. We're going deep. Oh bring the lube. Alright, so first question. We're gonna roll dog it. First question. People think muscles equal confidence, but is that actually true?

SPEAKER_00 1:33

No. I would say if it was a yes or no question, then no. Muscles don't equal confidence, but it definitely helps. It's one aspect of it. And I think it really comes down to your goals and your discipline and meeting those because progression is where confidence comes from. Whenever you're slowly progressing every day and you're you're hitting your mark, um, that's truly showing up for yourself, is where this like self-pride comes from. And even if you're not in the best of shape, your energy starts attracting that of a confident person, right? And I agree. And I and I talk to people, you know, my clients, I'm a personal trainer for quite some time, and I have an online training business, and we train about a hundred people all over the world, and it's one thing that comes up all the time is confidence. And it's a struggle in the gay community, you know, and you feel like you are gonna gain this level of confidence once you get to a certain like body size.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Yeah, like everything's gonna be good. Once you get to that size, everything's just gonna like the doors are gonna open, everything's gonna be good. Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

It's but it's never that, it's always the next thing. You want the next, like, oh, I need to get a little bit bigger, or I need to get a little bit more shredded, or I need to look like that person or him, or him, or so the goalpost always moves, but really so it it doesn't equate muscles don't equate to confidence, it's really just hitting your own objectives and goals and and staying disciplined. That's where it really comes from internally, for sure. Damn, well put.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Yeah, that's how would the in internet describe you, and how would your closest friends describe you?

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

I don't know how I think the internet will describe you how I described you. Yeah, she's so hot.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Like I don't know. I think for sure I would say the world would describe me not as I see myself or how my friends see me. Because I don't really get on uh social media quite often and talk about things, but that's changing a lot because I really do want to open up and and show people who I am outside of just you know modeling pictures and fitness and you know, so on and so forth. Uh I would say it's a different perspective. People would think, okay, model um, you know, had everything handed to him probably easy for him because he's good looking. Um baby. I would I was I would wish that was the game. I would I've never had anything handed to me, and it's almost almost like fighting against a tide where people put you in a kind of an area because of the way that you look, and really don't support you because it's like, okay, well, you already have it, you already got it. No, it's like I worked so hard to get to where I am now physically, mentally, spiritually. And I started as a 130 pounds, really skinny kid, and never uh pick for the team, as I would say, you know. Uh, you know, it was always a struggle and like finding, you know, kind of my footing in uh good relationships and healthy relationships, and uh feeling that you know, lack of confidence and uh never really feeling like super comfortable in my skin till uh till recent. But yeah, there's definitely a juxtaposition of how people see me, how I see myself. I would say my friends see me as like a very fun, loving, very lighthearted, comedic, goofy, sometimes like a little all over the place, a little crazy, but um, but definitely genuine and very intentional and very loyal and um like very driven and and um hardworking and passionate. I would say if you like really know me, those are kind of like the qualities. You know, as a Leo, we're we're a little vain, so maybe we're gonna juice up that story a little bit. But um, you know, I I think overall I'm I'm doing all right. I think uh yeah, letting people in to catch up would be probably a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Yeah. Amazing. Okay, so where were you always muscular? And where did the body come from? Was it from insecurity or where where did where did like the whole everything start from the ground?

SPEAKER_00 6:08

I would say I've never had the body that I've had today. I would definitely go back to high school and let you know that I was 130 pounds, very skinny, wasn't really eating properly, my confidence was super low, and it took a while to get to that point. And it never was something I was really knowledgeable about how to how to get to. Um, so I think that played in to a level of um self-doubt and uh insecurity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Yeah. I mean, I like you you said earlier, like 130 pounds, little skinny. I feel like we all kind of like as we like go on our journey and go through like you know the metamorphosis of like, you know, life and our bodies, like we always still kind of look in the mirror and see that 130-pound twink staring back at you saying, Come on, that's not enough weight. You can push harder, you can go more. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Yeah, 100%. And it's still this, you know, when I see certain pictures, I'm like, oof, who's that?

SPEAKER_01 7:13

I don't know him.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

We look at the pictures from like two years ago from Pride and I was like, oh my god, like why people talk to us? Like we're two little boys. And we're not that little, but you know, but compared to now, it's just like you always get better. Yeah, plus move.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

It is it's a journey, baby. It's a journey.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

When what what was the moment you realized your body changed how people treat you? Also, can you show us your body a little bit? Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel like even I feel during the party during the party anyway.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

So, yes. Thanks. We'll get a little bit more comfortable.

SPEAKER_02 7:49

So, like, yeah, when when was the moment you realized your body changed how people treat you?

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Hmm. That's a good question. I would say it's it's kind of complicated to answer because I've never really felt that people treated me much differently as my my body changed. Um maybe from from an outside perspective, like uh maybe some more attention from people I didn't know on social media with certain comments and whatnot. But overall, I just think that the way people would treat me day to day um would be more so uh stemming from like my energy, my personality, and like my confidence. And I think people more um gravitated towards that than necessarily like that my shoulders were more broad. But um but yeah, I think that in this past year, I think maybe was the the biggest difference in just a level of like respect when people would look at me and be like more comfortable to come up, not not necessarily to give me attention, like oh my god, you look so hot, but more so, hey, how do you how did you get your shoulders like so like you know they start looking to you as the as the like textbook for like how do you get this way?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Or like you go to the gym, that's like oh I saw you do this, like like the conversations are just arising as you like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

And it's really cool to see people who are working out and be like, hey, you know, I'm doing this, like, can you show me how to and it's a really cool theme because obviously it ties back into my business, it's what I do, I love to do it. Sometimes I'm in the gym way too long because I'll be like talking to people and be like, Hey, you should do it this way, and then we're sitting there for 30 minutes. Oh, what do you do? And like that's one of the reasons why I like put on my headphones and I'm just like in the zone because I'm yeah, I'm like, if I start talking, yeah, then I'm gonna be talking forever. Yeah, and so you're so passionate about it, yeah, very much so. And I got into it because uh my cousin uh was found quadriplegic after he got into a diving accident, and he was like the most athletic stud of a man, and I always looked up to him and and he was just the epitome of like physical health, and uh you know, when he got all that taken away from him, it made me never take my my body for granted again what I and what I could do, yeah, and then yeah, there's uh a couple things that really like pushed me to to get involved with being more serious about my health, and as I learned more, as I got my certification, I just I was very curious and I wanted to know, you know, why protein, carbs, and fats like work together and how they work together to build a chemical reaction that you know gives a physical manifestation of you know a physical form, which is like so interesting to me, and you know, different macro, micronutrients and what they do, and um, and then just you know, workouts and split routines and how that uh comes into play, and and losing my mom in 2009 um also made me realize like life is so short, and just like do what you're drawn to, what you're passionate about. That's why I got into acting and just moved down here. And I've always juggled uh feature films and commercial work and modeling with um with my fitness, and that's just been like a really sweet spot for me. So no matter what happens with how slow the industry is or whatever, um, it always draws me in, and it's tying back to what we were talking about with people you know, kind of giving attention, it's it's really cool to see like my effort then ripple back out and come back to me in a really cool way so that I can just help more people. So I love it. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Okay, so they're gonna like flip it a little bit to less serious. Okay, so be honest. Boys, has the gym ever crossed from workout space to like a sexually charged flirting space for you in all of your years in the gym?

SPEAKER_00 12:09

I would say overall, no.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Okay, I think the reason why so glad you said it because people like when you just see us, like the bodies and they're the thing like at the gym, we just like go there and fuck around and find out.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

No, like I go to work out, I believe this because I don't fuck around. Yeah, I'm you know, it's I I don't think I would it's so funny to me because I hear all these stories that happen in gyms, and I'm like, I mean, they just closed the walk they just closed crunch down, and like half of the story I caught was like, oh, in the in the article, it was like, yeah, and they had already closed their Steam Room down like a year ago because XYZ. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like that's all I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

But I I hear all these stories and it's not necessarily like that like I want to participate, but I'm also like, why don't I see any of these things? Like it's like talk blocking me from like all these like crazy experiences. Like I want to like witness, I don't necessarily want to partake, but I'm like what is this happening? But when it's you know, I I go to the gym, I take a shower, and I get dressed, and I go to my next gig job, you know, uh just work related event or my next client or it's something. So I'm just kind of in out, and that's why I like I'm kind of have that face on. But the resting bitch. But you know, there's always those moments where you know you see like a gym crush and you're like, ooh, like yeah, and then you know it's kind of like a talk like um, hey, what are you doing this weekend? Oh, okay, yeah. Like it's kind of like this this energy, but it's it uh for me, it never like crosses over into like something sexual. It's just um it can be flirtatious for sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Um, but you know, I I just you're prof you're a man of your you're you're a professional man, let's just put it that way. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Yeah, I mean like when I when I'm there, typically I'm I'm working. It's like when you're at work, it's kind of like a different mindset.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

So it's not really you don't think about that, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Uh I mean, of course I I couldn't. Yeah, yeah. But you're not like I'm not going there. I'm not like a big pursuer, like someone has to really like push into the take it, take a step towards me and be like, so guys, if you would if you see him at the gym, you need to push. Yeah, I've I've definitely had a moment where it was, you know, I've had uh like a gym meetup kind of session, and and I'm getting all these compliments, and like you're so sexy, and like I'm just not used to that while I'm like training. I'm like, oh thank you, and I'm really into this person. We've been like meaning to hang out for a long time, and then like we're I think just at the end of our workout, we're just like stretching up with the mats, and he like pulls me in and kisses me like in the gym, and I don't do like public affection, especially with someone I I've just met, but it was like it was so sexy to me, but it's a very, very rare circumstance that that happens, but um yeah, it has to be someone kind of like pushing you pressuring you, pushing you not necessarily pressuring, but just taking the lead on it. For sure, you know, because you're there for the business, not for well, I'm just more so, or if it's just uh uh to hang out to meet for the first time, it's like about connection or whatever. But yeah, sometimes that connection can spill over into something a little bit more. Absolutely definitely happen. Yeah, I ain't new to this. I'm doing this.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Wait, and this is a really important question. Is there a pressure to always be dominant, confident, or sexually aggressive because of your body? Because if the mass of people want you to be always the top, the dumb, like you know, you know, the gays.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

They have like yeah, they put you in a box based on what you look like, and then you gotta be that dumb, that top, that ultra masculine. Do you feel like that there's that pressure that comes with the body that you exist in?

SPEAKER_00 15:50

I don't ever feel the pressure to be um uh a certain way. Okay. Um I think that there's maybe a um an expectation of athleticism and some sexiness and some fashion, and uh, but I kind of break it up a lot and I put just comedy stuff like when I just am wanting to be goofy. I'm like, I don't do it all the time, but I'm naturally a very goofy person. And so when I see like reels or audios or like whatever, it's like I really don't care how it comes across, it's like funny to me. So I'm gonna post it, and uh I think it it breaks up a little bit, and then also I can get serious too, and I can talk political sometimes um when I'm really passionate about something. So I think I don't really think about what other people are expecting from me. Okay, um, I almost like to just really switch it up on these hoes. Yeah, yeah. Because I I've done that since the beginning, like coming here modeling and acting, and then dancing, being on world tours, and then switching up and doing producing and producing for J-Lo and Elton John, and you know, um, wearing multiple hats behind the camera in front of the camera, um, doing personal training, doing stunts, um uh learning sword and bow staff, and um, you know, I'm always going in different directions, and I'm like, oh, you think you know, I'm this you think you're like figuring it out, but I'll be like, swoop, and do something, and it it's all based on like what I'm really feeling at the time, or what my body can handle at the time. But yeah, I don't really feel any pressure. I'm like, you guys are gonna get what you're gonna get. If you like it, then cool. But this is my life, and this is what I like to do today. And so if you rock with me, you rock with me. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Yeah, okay. So, what's the most unmasculine thing about you that you're proud of? Like, how do you how do you like uh twirl around, fag out a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Oh my god, what is the gayest thing about me? Um I don't know. That's a really good question. I feel like I do a lot of gay shit. Um I love singing, so I'll sing Broadway. I mean, that's pretty Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

That's exactly what we're looking for. Yeah, I love what's your favorite Broadway show? What's your favorite, like Wicked. Wicked, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Wicked uh Okay, that's already so gay.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get much gayer than that. You know, it's like I love singing Wicked in my bedroom. I mean, that's pretty like on point. Like, um, you know, um I I don't know. It's just um music, television, TV, like I know you know the gayest of the gayest quotes of all time from you know um Tiffany Pollard in uh New York to um Mean Girls to Devil Wars Prada, some housewives like, girl, let's get you get you some shoes. Is that a white refrigerator? One of my favorites I can tap into like some really iconic gay characters. Um but yeah, I I um yeah, I'm pretty gay. Sweet.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

So are we? I love it.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Don't let the weights fool you in the gym.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Um what does it actually take to maintain this buddy?

SPEAKER_00 19:22

A lot, right? It's crazy because I because I'm so lean and I'm well, I was very, very lean, very lean. Um you're pretty lean to me. I mean, I'm pretty lean now. I just I was really skinny, and so my frame just genetically, I'm just a very lean person.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Same. It takes like a lot of like eating and like commitment to put weight on. Yeah. Otherwise, the tea, and it just like this one eat the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

I eat everything and you don't need to see it on me. Like I can't eat. I eat like 11 morning dinner, something, and then be like, he eats. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

And if I don't if I don't, if I don't stay on that eating schedule, I start to melt. Like I get smaller. It gets smaller. Like if I have to always, just always, always get much kind of.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

It's so true. It's so true. And we have to supplement with like we have like an 80% like clean diet that we're like always eating. Yeah. And then we have to supplement with we have to, but like, you know, that high dense calorie, like you kind of have your like cheap meals, but like, yeah, you gotta get a little extra in, you know, where you can. It's a lot. And I started food tracking, and that was a really big help to me in like my journey.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Are you weighing your stuff?

SPEAKER_00 20:37

I weigh it sometimes. I measure it out like by cups. Um sometimes I'll take a picture of it, but I try and get as accurate as possible.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

I kind of feel like people who weigh their food in general that are that are like are to that level. Like, you have to get to know your body and like amounts and eyeball it, but like the people that weigh on a scale, it kind of bugs me because it's like I get the practice, like you need to figure it out, but like it's not it's not a lifestyle that you can't have a scale with you all the time. You know what I mean? You need to learn how to just know your body and figure out like what your portions are, how you do it.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Like, yeah, you can't really do a scale all the time, but then if you can measure out like two cups of pasta and a cup of ground beef, then then you know then it's really easy to but once I started doing that, then I started to be more consistent with my food and then hitting my calories and hitting my protein, and I was like, oh shit, now I'm putting on weight, and I'm like, okay, that was the ingredient I was missing because I was like busting my ass in the gym, but I wasn't eating enough calories. And so it's a lot, it's like it's an all-day everyday week you work out. I would say at least five. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

So like five.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

That's how we are. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Sometimes I'll take an extra day off. Sometimes I'll do an extra day. An extra day. Um I think five is a sweet spot. And then my recovery days are like, I'll do I'll do a little bit of cardio. Y'all, I'll do like a cold plunge or you know, hydrotherapy. But I like to stay active in some way or like do mobility or you know, if you consider those workouts, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Weightlifting is like it's gotta be about five days a week.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

All right. Sweet. Question for you Are you a muscle for muscle kind of gay?

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Am I a muscle for muscle? I would say I'm I'm I don't really ever box myself in to be like this is what I like, because I've dated people who weren't muscle, you know, they were like athletic, yeah. They were dancers, yeah, but they weren't like muscular, yeah, right. But I still found them so sexy and so attractive, and then there's other people that lifted weights, kind of sorta, and they're kind of in shape, and then other people who were bodybuilders, and you know, um it for me it really comes down to my connection with the person, and I'm kind of more like sociosexual, if that makes sense, if I'm even saying that right, but like this mental spiritual connection that just is like you're just so sexy to me, it doesn't matter if you're like how you operate, how you function as sexy on top of what you do, yeah. Your confidence, your swag, your style, your you know, like how we can connect on different levels with our comedy and like our little social cues, and we can talk in movie lines and like those kinds of language. Yeah, you have your language, and that's way more sexy to me than someone who's like just a rich body, huge muscled, you know, man. I'm like, okay, yeah, you look really good. And I've just also a little jaded because I've been around like the modeling world for so long, and it's like I've seen so many perfect bodies, and like and but people with no substance, nothing going on inside, no personality, no substance, kind of fake. Yeah, yeah. You know, you can be this gorgeous man, but then have all this whole secret life behind you, and just kind of be a little vapid and shallow and materialistic and um you know, dependent, and you know, it just it just becomes like not very sexy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, and and then certain things are such a turnoff that it's like it doesn't matter how hot you are, how you are. Dang it, it's over. Yeah, it's just one of those things that you're just like, yeah, I can't behind it. I can't really get with it. Um so yeah, for me, it's just like uh it comes back to love and how passion passionate that is and how that mental and spiritual connection uh really is, and the physical obviously plays into it. Like I like someone who's takes care of themselves.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Yeah, I have to because it's more like the lifestyle alignment. Like if you're active and you like to do stuff, you have to get up off your ass, you don't want a couch potato when you're obviously at the gym all the time. But you that person doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, repping like you know, crazy weights. Like they could just be like, you know, active.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, absolutely. Like I could I could do a very handsome, thick man that you know goes to the gym every day, you know, and then we just have this connection and like cool, like I'm with it. So I've never put like physical constrictions on it. I don't think people should, but you know, it's very um very common. It's a world, so yeah. I I think you know, and that's in every world. You know, it's oh look who I have next to me. It's an ego thing, yeah. And the whole directive, I think we should really be thinking about is like death to the ego, and really be doing things that um make our soul come alive versus like what's gonna make other people come alive when they see us with this thing. Yeah, right, yeah, you know, um changes your whole life and your your true happiness and your joy is amplified by so much when you can let go of all that stuff and how people perceive you and like this world that we walk in. It's just it's literally a video game. You can make it whatever you want, and and uh yeah, it's not as serious as um a lot of people make it. As a stigma, yeah. Just think about which what you truly want and go after that and don't wait about this other house.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

With we're coming for you, hoes.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

So we're gonna have uh we have a segment here. How is it truth? Truth or bear. So these are quick ones. I'm just gonna we're gonna tell you something, you just like tell us what comes to mind. The hardest part about looking like this is diet.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

I feel most insecure when I'm never insecure.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

I don't know why I'm the most insecure when I'm learning a new skill. Absolutely. The gym saved me because the gym saved me because I was saying the gym that saved me in general. Um Because it it gives me um such a high level of vibration that I can share with everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Okay, so masculinity to you means what? What what what what encompasses masculinity for you?

SPEAKER_00 27:35

I would say what encompasses masculinity is standing for something, fighting for it, and willing to die for it, and that's masculinity to me.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Absolutely. Fuck ass, dude.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

So I have a final question for you. What would you tell a younger version of you who thought muscles would fix everything?

SPEAKER_00 27:58

I would say to a younger version of me, that was really me. Like once I have muscles, then everything's gonna change. I would say that it doesn't, and that you're always gonna want more. So work on the internal part of yourself, look at the darker sides of yourself, what your distractions are, what your weaknesses are, work on those things. That's gonna build the confidence and the muscles will come. Just like when you um build a business and and you just focus on what you're passionate about, like the money is just gonna come. All the opportunities are gonna come, you're gonna film the podcast, you're gonna do this and that, and things are gonna come, and people are gonna be attracted to that. And you don't have to worry about the money. It's the same thing with the muscles. You don't worry about that. It's gonna come. It's just like focus on the internal, and then the the external will will develop.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Well, thank you so much for coming. Yes, thank you for having me. So hot, Jesse. Yeah, honestly. Stop it!

SPEAKER_01 28:53

We've been chasing it. We've been chasing the gym for like a year now. So we're glad you finally came.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

I know super happy. I know. I won't be such a bitch next time we play. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

We all need to work on that because we were actually told the same thing by somebody else at the same gym that we we met you at. Really? And she said she said, you know, we've been wanting to say hi to you, but you look so angry when you come in here. And I'm like, I'm not angry, I'm just like in my zone, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

And we're just like doing this because I don't even see you talk to him all that much. Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

I just also don't want to, I personally don't want to be there. I'm sick of it. I'm working out because I need to, not because I love it, he loves it, you love it. Yeah, I love it at times, but sometimes it just completes me that I'm like, wow, I want to be in bed to be.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Oh my gosh, if I could just, you know, be in shape and just not do it, do that for an hour, two hours every day. I'm like, oh my god, the time that it would save.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

The time it would save for sure, but then you don't get the feelings from it. You know what I mean? Like you don't get the chemical reaction.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Like the feels, the endorphins, it's one thing to look as adrenaline hit, but you need you need the feelings behind it. So yeah. I need, I need to, I need to get that uh that energy.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Yeah, energy, not for sure. So thank you, Jesse, for being here. And thank you guys for listening.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

Thank you everyone for listening. Love you.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

You guys got me naked and everything. Oh my god, look at you guys. I swear this never happens. Never.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Sweet. Thank you so much, man.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

Yeah, thank you guys.