Not Lazy. Not Broken. Just Wired Differently.

In this episode, we talk honestly about what it’s like to grow up neurodivergent in a system built for one kind of learner. From being labeled “lazy” or “unmotivated” to quietly carrying the belief that something must be wrong with you, we unpack the moments school missed — and the impact that still lingers into adulthood.

This isn’t a teacher-bashing conversation. It’s a real one.
 About effort without understanding.
 About kids trying their best without the language to explain why it wasn’t working.
 And about what changes when we finally name the difference between not trying and not being supported.

If you’ve ever felt misunderstood in school — as a student, a parent, or an educator — this conversation is for you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey, hello, and welcome back to a Laughing Through the Uncomfortable podcast with me, Julie and Jeff, mother and son, talking about conversations that are uncomfortable. And uh the only way you can work through it is by laughing and really not taking yourself as serious, but working through that uncomfortable. So this is our fourth episode yesterday. It was la or last week was great. So Ben and Kate here with that perspective.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Yeah, it was a nice year pandemic.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Yeah, but this week I think we want to talk about because you are going back to school your third semester into a four semester, five semester master's program.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Yeah, I'm excited for that. I'm almost this, it's gonna be spring semester and then it'll be fall semester, and I'm finally done with my master's.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Yay! Woo-hoo!

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Yeah, it was such a pain, but I'm glad.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Hard work. And you're working full time too while you're doing this.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Yeah, yeah. No one prepares you for it. But if you see examples like like you, mom, you work through having three kids and working through your master's and PhD and doctorate, doctorate, and having being a wife and being a mom and working full time. And that's honestly inspi inspired. So if you can do it, I can do it. There's no there's no challenge.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

That is true. There is a challenge, but yeah. So I guess what we want, I want to actually talk to you about is what we talked about this morning. How you're starting school. We're not gonna say what school, no, um, but you are in you're focusing on merchandising, yeah, and you're in fashion sales, yeah. And you were you're frustrated through this whole process. It can be frustrating. Yeah. Because sometimes your professors are not as patient, or I mean, we had this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Yeah, we just had this conversation a few a few hours ago.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

They were quite pills to like handle. Every professor throughout my college career, through community, through my bachelor's and through my master's. Now, like every professor that I've had. Every single one, every single one. They lacked patience. And I understand they have their other thing, like they're human, same as me. But the thing is, I come in the class with full energy and full excitement. Like, oh my God, I'm about to learn something new. And I look at them like, please teach me, and then I would develop, right? No, it's like it's it's quite awful. So through my master's program, I've never done merchandising before. Like, like the whole like corporate side. That's what this, that's what the course teaches you. First of all, it's online, it's hybrid. You basically go watch on Zoom call.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

And so it's a hundred percent, well, it's asynchronous, synchronous. Asynchronous meaning you have to study on your own.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

You think that, but honestly, some professors honestly write their own rules. Like it's mandatory to meet you on like on that day. I'm like, and I have to continuously email my professor. I'm like, look, I cannot do it because I work full time. Sorry, but I signed up for online.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Do they record their do they record their meetings?

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Luckily, they record it and I can watch it. And it's like, I love how getting their emails like this is mandatory, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, and then I shoot them a private email, not on a public forum. Some professors honestly love to embarrass their students on public forums.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Do they think they here, do you think they're doing it intentionally? Because I mean, in full disclosure, I teach. I teach. You're a better teacher. No, I teach, and you know, and and I I try not, I mean, I don't, that's not my intent to embarrass any of my students. I want to meet them where they are, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, you think that.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Right? So I don't know. Do you think maybe their intention is just helping you maybe think deeper and more critically in the business side? And it's it's just a hard muscle for you to, I don't know, to flex when you don't deal with it on a daily basis. You're in sales and you have to change your thought process.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

I don't know. Every time. I just have to change my process every time.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yeah, I just don't think that they're trying to be mean. I don't know, callers out there or no, podcast listeners. I'm sure we've all had this, you know. I mean, I've had teachers or professors that I've gone to school with. Yeah. That as a student, I mean, I just did it this I mean a couple semesters ago where I didn't understand why this one professor some took five weeks, five weeks to grade my stuff. But then I had to step back and think maybe that person's going through something, I don't know, that person's life. I don't know. I guess I'm just I mean, what do you think? Why do you think they I don't think they intentionally try and embarrass you? I think they're trying to make it critical.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Have you ever tenure professor? No, seriously, I every professor, I really hope that I get a new. Can we stop saying every sorry, not every professor is a professor?

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Because there are good professors out there.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

There are good professors out there, and I truly believe there are. Okay, let me rephrase. Some professors are ego etistical pills that all students have to handle. There are like understanding, it's a hard sorry.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

It's okay. No, don't apologize. So let's talk about how the professors navigate your accommodations for learning. I mean, do you have to remind them?

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Constantly. I have to sometimes I have to use the same email thread to remind them, like, hey.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

My mouth was too close to the mic. It's okay. So I have to back up.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

He's getting a little emotional. It's fine. You can get emotional all you want. This is what this is for. This is what this is for.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

And I don't blame them. They have hundreds of students, and I get it. And sometimes it's my fault for not using the same email thread of like, hey, I have accommodations. I need you to cooperate here. And I sometimes I don't, and that's on me. You know, like sometimes they don't remember me, right? After hard days' work. And I get I'm the same way. I I barely remember my clients. I barely remember my colleagues that I work with, right? I get it. There's a sympathy there. But I just love getting the email saying, like, do not do this again. Do not ask for an extension again. And I'm like, are you sure about that? I'm like, sometimes, like, sometimes I just want to bring up all my emails from all my professors and just email them to the dean. And I'm like, you know what? I'm almost done. I don't really care. This is their world. I'm just living in it. I just I get good grades. I get C's. I honestly at the beginning of the semester, I get beats. Being a near neurodivergent, I am honed in and locked in always when I'm studying. When my friends want to play video games, sorry, I can't. When my parents want to hang out, I sometimes do, but I'm like, hey, sorry, I have school. You know, school's important to me, work is important to me. But it's it's hard.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Oh yeah. And you've learned how to advocate for yourself through the years. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

I'm like, but the thing is, you people who are narrow divergent or anyone who with severe to minor disabilities, self-advocating.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Or any learning disabilities or difficulties or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Honestly, for me, self-advocation really ends after college. Seriously. The thing is, work is a whole other different story.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

What do you mean? I think you're always advocating for yourself. Is it a different advocate? Do you differ do you advocate in a different way?

SPEAKER_01 7:54

It's much different way.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

And how is that?

SPEAKER_01 7:57

I think compared to Well, the thing is, college has been checked off the list here, right? We're done talking about college, right? Because I have a lot more to you to talk about in college.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

No, we could well, we're talking about right now with your the semester you're starting, yeah, and how now that you're getting into new classes, that means that you have to make sure. Does your disability center email the professors a letter?

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Or you have to they email me my accommodation letter. I have to email my professor. And honestly, thank you for reminding me. Beginning of the program, sometimes I imagine myself without disabilities because I was I try to develop so much, like with my dyslexia, my octoprocessing and my neurodivergency. I sometimes you develop yourself so excellent, work three three times as hard as anyone else in the room. Sometimes disabilities just disappear, right? But sometimes it's good to have someone like my mom here to remind me like, hey, do you did you submit your accommodation letter? I don't. Well, uh because you remind me because professors truly treat people differently when you submit an accommodation letter. And I forgot about that. Because my professor that I currently the previous semester? My previous semesters, he was he probably doesn't remember me. You know, that's that's the thing. Like I'm just a face on a screen, right? I'm I'm probably barely face.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Or even a name on a roster.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Name on a roster, right? Right. Who other students signed my paycheck today? Right that's that's where I am, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Well, you didn't take to be fair, you didn't take a break between your undergrad to going right into mathematics.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

A year and a half. A year and a half. It was hard. You took a break? Yeah, I took about a year and a half.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

I thought you went right into it because you're afraid you wouldn't return. I graduated. You can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

I graduated from my bachelor's from December of right, December of 2022. Okay. Then I got my first full-time job as a sales lead at a at the job I'm currently working at. And then I worked there for a year and a half. Then I went back to my master's and continue working for. When did you start?

SPEAKER_02 10:16

When did you start at your master's perdo?

SPEAKER_01 10:19

24.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

23, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:21

24 no 24. 24. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Oh, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

2026 is the last last year.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Okay, so you're the year number. You're set to graduate December 2026.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Okay, cool. Anyway, so the previous semester, you had a professor that didn't either didn't read, you didn't email it.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

I didn't even think again, it's like, but again, it's the paperwork of finding your IEP, finding every documentation, proving that you have disabilities. Like the thing is, I'm okay with it, but I lost it at one point. But you don't have to do that every semester because you know you submit everything to the disability center, and then they basically say, Okay, cool. I we like the paperwork, we'll we'll pull it together, and then you'll do like a 15 to 30 minute interview. Same like, hey, what type of accommodation you need? I'm like, I did that at my at my second semester after after you kind of like, hey, you need to do this, stop being stubborn and go. And I'm like, thank you for being I thank you, mom.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

I don't think I was like, I didn't say stop being stubborn. I actually thought I did actually did use those words. I think you need to stop being stubborn and realize that those accommodations are there for a reason. Yes, right, and it's not like you, it's not like you it there won't the the accommodations aren't, you know, it helps you become and and not to mention you're working full-time, so you know, understanding that helps you and then will only help you be more successful as you go and will help you learn because if you're stressed and you're not using, you know, you're not taking every moment to learn and you're so worried about stress and this assignment and that assignment, but then you have to work full-time, you're actually not learning anything, and it's not doing you any good.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah, it's not doing me any good.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

So now you're not under that stress anymore. So you have to email these new professors this semester. And are you have do you have new professors than you did last semester, or are they the same ones that you've had in previous courses?

SPEAKER_01 12:25

It's the same ones. I don't know what their names are yet.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

But does the school have like a core group of teachers that teach that specifics?

SPEAKER_01 12:34

At least seven professors. There's actually the dean to teach the class, but it's more of like the upper, like the masters can take two years, or masters can take like four years of part-time. But I'm like, no, I I rather take this, I'd rather take the whole pill. Yeah. No, like I'm like, I'm not afraid. I'm like, look, I again I don't come out of a relationship. I don't have kids. Well, I'm a bachelor, I'm like, I can handle this, right? I have to make time for people. But the thing is that time management is the most responsible thing right now.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Well, okay, so don't forget, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to task uh write a task list for you when we get off this, when we get off our episode today of I need to email accommodation letter, right? Yeah. So the other thing that we're talking about was you were saying that sometimes when you're in, which is great because I didn't realize that you use your the AI assistant with your lectures, which help take notes for you.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

That's part of my accommodation too. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

No, it's really good. Yeah. And honestly, the note takers for AI, I mean, it's it's amazing. We yeah. And then so within that note taker, you you ask questions and that helps formulate questions for you to ask your professor. Yep. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

That works out great.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Yeah. And then, but you were saying that sometimes like with your presentations, the professors want more from you.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah. And I have to remind them, I'm like very kindly, thank you for thank you for the software that I use for more friendlier tone.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

I've never done this, I work full-time, and they expect more for people who haven't done this. And then again, I get it. There's other students from the previous program, from their bachelor's, and just continue on in the same school to do that program to continue.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

I just think it's just they're just but maybe they're trying to make you think critically because, like we talked about, it's a different thinking cap.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yeah, thinking, thinking.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

So instead of them asking more from you, maybe they're just trying to get you to dive deeper so you can understand your education more and get more out of what you're trying to learn.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

True.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Right?

SPEAKER_01 14:44

I don't know. I just I've always I've always liked to see positivity, but I've always got met with negativity through all my professors throughout my career college, throughout my college life, I have met nothing but negativity from them.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

Is it because their criticism isn't constructive or like they like I Although if you think about it, constructive criticism, it's still criticism.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Yeah, like I always when I take criticism, I take criticism very seriously. And my work, like rewind here to back in high school. I never I was never a team player. I was always a person that I always done my work. I'm like, you know what? I don't need you people okay to help me. It was it was a it was a board game, history board game.

unknown 15:32

I don't need you people to help me.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

No, seriously, because my brain thinks faster than other people. It may work in different functions, but the thing is, I just don't need. Of course, they took advantage of that, but I didn't really care. I did everything, right? And like for what?

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Oh, for like group work?

SPEAKER_01 15:51

It was a group project.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

We all hate group projects. All right, everybody listening, raise your hand. Hate group projects. I'm raising my hand right now. I hate group projects.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

I literally went to every single teacher. I'm like, I'm sorry, I refuse to work with all these students. Sorry, I'm like, even my disability teacher was like, Jeff, you have to work with people. I'm like, this is part of your development. I don't care. They do not understand how to process. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. And I always did my own work. I'm taking all my toys out of the sandbox and I'm leaving. I'm not gonna sacrifice my grade because of some people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Again, I'm I'm getting emotional here.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

No, you're not.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

It's it's either way, to make it just to make this quick, to make this quick. Yeah, but I would go to the professor, I would go to the teacher and say, like, look, I'm not working with any of these students, but they force me to. I'm like, okay, and I literally sit down and listen. Like, okay, who is the leader of this project? And I just listen with a very fake smile. I'm like, okay, okay. And no, this is what we're gonna do. Okay, I'm not gonna sacrifice my perfect grade for any of your sloppy seconds. Okay. Well, okay, so I I haven't got to the good part yet. Okay. Okay. The thing is, I was just getting my emotionally, I'm getting my emotions regulated, okay, through the constant mentoring of my mom, going to her for advice, going to my dad for advice, what's the best social cue? And my mom laughed, like, Jeff, you can't do that. Yes, sometimes your co-workers may be stupid. Oh, I never say no. No, no, no, no. But that to me is like you have to always But I don't say that. No, no, you didn't say that. But the thing is, you have to always you have to be a team player, always, even if that there are unique personalities on the team.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

And you disagree with that.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

I disagree, but you have to say is you still have to work through those. Well, the thing is, I did the project, I did the board game, right? And then like when the teacher was playing, and all these kids, and I I was playing all the board games too. We went with a circle and like it was a group, it was a group judgment. All the kids have to grade your stuff. I'm like, oh great. The teacher who has like three degrees cannot judge our projects because they want more participation and diversity. So I'm like, okay, I'm sitting around all these board games. I'm like, oh wow, this is an interesting move.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

What grade were you in? Fourth grade? No, it was high school.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

I was in this is high school, mom. This was this was this was 10th grade sophomore year. Oh, wow. This is a good message.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

This is a really clear memory. Yeah, 10th grade.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

10th grade. I remember how stupid my classmates were.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Would you stop? They weren't, they're they're difficult. Maybe they had their own thought process. Maybe they wanted it their way. It was hard to have conversations with people, but they're not, they weren't stupid. They were just had their own, just like they probably thought you, like, right? Disagreement.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Well, the thing is, I was so devastated. My the teacher, the students, pal teller. I got a C plus on that project, and I was pissed. I literally, I was so angry. I think I I did not call with the principal. I left class that day. I I crushed up the project. I literally destroyed my own hard work that took me a week to create, and I got a C plus from all the other students grading my crap. It was a very fun historical game, right? It was like risk. It was mixed with battleship, right? It was a great game. I literally, I don't know if you got the call, but I literally crushed the game.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

I don't remember getting the call.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

No, because the teacher was horrified. And it's like, Jeff, are you okay? I'm like, don't look at me. I crushed the game, destroyed it, and literally rushed out and threw it in the trash.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Okay, so what did you learn about this? You learned that you what what lesson did you learn from this?

SPEAKER_01 19:55

You want my honest reaction? I didn't tell you that day because I knew I'm like, you know what? I had my learning experience that day. Because that my final conclusion there, people are challenging to deal with. That was my final conclusion. That's why I'm like, you know what? I am done putting 100% in. I'm like, you know what? I will just let the team do it. You know what? I'll, you know what, instead of me putting all the hard work in, I'm like, yeah, I shouldn't be a control freak. And you know what? I'm gonna have been a control freak. You think? Damn. You think that could have happened? I think I'm you know what? Thank God I'm not a control freak anymore.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

See, you learned a lesson.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I learned a very problem lesson. I'm like, you know what? Because currently at work, I just let my team handle it.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

Well, not to mention you learn how to communicate with people. Yeah, you don't let your emotions get the best of them.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

No, not anymore. Thank God I have thank God I am emotionally regulant, right? I have regulated, yeah. Regulated, right? I mean filter, I have 10 filters. You have I through my development, mom, I believe I have 10 filters.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

And what are they? Let's name the name the 10 filters. What are they?

SPEAKER_01 20:57

I want to name them because it's like I think they're all like if I look through the wall, through the look of the filters, I think I have to replace them sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Well, because I only have I have two filters. One that I filter socially when social gatherings, right? My brain is like filtering, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Sometimes my filters are off when I'm with my family.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Yeah, and then my other filter is, you know, just like you know, my brain. We all have our self-talk. We have our self-talk. Right? That we talk, and then it's like, no, you can't without my outside voice.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

I have one devil on my shoulder, I want another angel on my shoulder. You know, it's like there's the nice, there's I have more empathy now, you know. I'm with learning different experiences, and then I have like the more logical, I'm more logical. Okay, mom, this is a compliment.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

You're not more logical. You're still no, no, no, no. You're still T.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

No. Yeah, I'm still T. But the thing is, every single conversation when I'm with my friends, when I'm with my co workers, anyone who comes to me advice, you pure my my my brain. The way that you'd raised me, okay, there. There's a problem here, okay? All right, I'm gonna give you a solution to fix this problem instead of you complaining to me constantly about this problem. Do you want the solution? That is not gonna just rip my ears off so I don't have to listen to you. That's my interpretation. Yeah, it is. That's right. I love it. That's my filter, and that that's what made me survive retails, made me survive my college. And I'm like, I'm very nice and kind. I'm not nice, I'm kind. But at the same time. But you're nice. No, I'm kind. Nice is just yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

No, you're you're nice and kind.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Nice is being a people pleaser.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Kind is someone who actually could be nice without peasing pleasing people.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

No, no, nice is people pleasing.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Well, you in my defense, I never said I don't want to hear this. This is you either come with me to the problem or solution. I always looked, I you, whenever you asked me a question or whatever, whatever it is, like today when we were talking about oh, your your professors frustrate you because it seems like they're harder on you with grading. And I try to, sorry, hang on, and I try to get you to think about their perspective on let's think about what their job is. And their job isn't to be hard on you, but maybe to ask the difficult questions to get you to think deeper than what you were before, right? Like, like they're asking you these questions because they know that you can think deeper and maybe trying to get you to that next level of understanding the merchandising role of, okay, so as an example, the demographics thing, okay, where you know, like I'm trying to reach like the professional. You said a lawyer, which is a professional level of demographics, and then you said the, you know, the more eclectic, artsy, like art type of person, or the, you know, right? So those that you're talking about a right brain person, left brain person, if you believe in that, and they're trying to get you to think deeper in, okay, what is which professional? You know, how are you gonna reach the professional? What is their intent? Why do they have to? What what is their outward facing person that they have to do, like their their their style, their fashion? Are you hitting their work professional persona, or are you hitting their you know social per social persona, right? So I don't know what kind of brand you were trying to develop, but was it more like brand? Yeah, but was it a a men's professional wear, or is it a casual wear? It was both. So maybe that's what you know, that's what they were thinking, right? So, in my defense, podcast listeners, I was just I'm trying to get you to see maybe the teacher, the professor, or even your friend, or even your group's perspective, so you can kind of look at the situation not through just your how you see it, but maybe like try and reason and figure out how they're seeing it. And then that's how you bring communication open, right? That's how you can say something like thank you for with the feedback, Professor, you know, Professor, I don't know, B, Professor A, Professor A B C. I understand what you let let me clarify. Let me let me clarify this. What you're asking me for is to dive deeper into the different types of demographics, as in specific professional, were you talking about this or that, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

So I mean, I guess that that's you know what we our conversation was was, you know, instead of saying everybody hates me, I'm taking all of my toys and I'm going home.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

I used to be. I'm taking my Legos and going. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

It's more of a trying to see somebody else's perspective, which then helps you understand their behavior.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Like you said, learning other people's perspective. I do take other people's perspectives, right? Sometimes I have to walk away and understanding. I literally go in the bathroom and like, okay, let's let's dissect this. What are they are they just what are they saying? How can we compromise here? I have to constantly do that every day. I know. Constantly. And like, okay, all right, your experience, let's go with that. Cool. Sound like I have 10 years of experience. It's cool. And um and a master's under my belt, but previously, but potentially getting one. Yeah, you know, it's it's you know, it's understanding. Like, you know what? I would love just to sit down, not not passive aggressively, listening to their conversation. Someone who's been in their job, has been in the same job for 10 years, hasn't experienced anything else, but someone who has is very diverse in other industries. Okay, what's what's your story?

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Yeah, because then you can learn from them.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

And I'm not being passive aggressive, I am.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

But I can guarantee you that if you sit down in somebody else's some other industry outside of fashion or outside of sales or outside of retail, right? Like, I don't know, sit down with sit down with a firefighter, you know, paramedic firefighter goes into people's, you know, houses and they deal with all these different personalities as the patients, but also walking into hospitals and dealing with nurses and dealing with doctors. I mean, I can guarantee you your experiences probably mirror their experiences, although it's different types of environment, but different personalities everywhere, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Yeah, yeah. Speaking on that, taking that topic that you just said comparing other jobs. When I when when I have a difficult situation at work, I always I always come to you and dad and say I'm like, hey, I have an HR problem. I have an HR question, you know, human behavior, stuff like that constantly. But you say that.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Yeah, and to clarify, your HR is not, hey, human resources came to me because I'm being a bully to my coworker. It's a human re human in in your your HR is I need help deciphering what happened in this environment or of this circumstance. Yeah, the first thing that's Jeff's cue for us to know that he's gonna talk about situation, whether it's dating, which we're gonna talk about next.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

I have kids.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

That's what I'm saying. So that you always say, hey, I have an HR issue, and that I know that you want to talk about an something that happened either at work, socially, at school, or something where you need like, how was this person? What should I perceive, you know, perceived? What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 28:30

And right, so I have a very story about that, but I we can talk about it about another time.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Yeah, because we're at we are we are almost done. We're at 29 minutes. So what do you want to do to like, okay? So you're going to school, you're starting in a couple weeks, back up, and so you have a task list, you're gonna email your new professors, your accommodation letter. Yeah, and we're heading into the semester. One more, and then you're almost done. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Yeah. Well, so thank you for joining us this week. I'm sorry we had to cut the we we had to cut it short. Wow, we talk and talk and talk.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah, enjoy it every night. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Well, maybe next time we can finish this conversation. Remember that story you want to tell? So we're leaving this on a cliffhanger, Jeff's Cliffhanger.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

If not, it's the subject would be next week, would be narrow divergence in the workforce. Yes. That is more important.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

Maybe that's what we're gonna talk about. Very good. There you there you go. So stay tuned for next week's podcast and listen to Jeff's an example or what's going on with Jeff at work. Just, you know, we're gonna talk about this perfect every week. Other topics. All right, thank you for joining the uh Laughing Through the Uncomfortable. This is Julie, and Jeff. And we will see you next week.