She Liked You! — The Follow Up with ft. Guest

Last week Jeff went on a coffee date and thought it was a disaster. This week, guest Ben calls in to set the record straight. In part two of our dating app saga, Ben breaks down why that lingering hug and five-to-seven seconds of silence was actually a green light Jeff completely missed. 

Plus — Jeff discovers a dating app message he never saw because his notifications were off (all while complaining about being ghosted), Ben shares how he met his wife Katie on Tinder in two days flat, and the crew recaps a wine tasting where Jeff tuned out the history lesson… until four glasses of wine kicked in. If you haven't listened to last week's episode yet, go back and start there — then come right back for this one.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello and welcome to this week's podcast of Laughing Through the Uncomfortable. This is Julie. Hey, hey Jeff. So we have a guest. We have Ben. Hello, Ben. Ben. Oh, there's Ben. Okay. So we couldn't get Logan. He's in a different time zone. But Ben actually called us today and had some questions about the podcast that he listened to. And so to remind our listeners from last week, we were talking about your date with the engineer and the awkwardness and the dating apps. Okay. So before we go into the questions that we asked, that we had asked each other about the dating apps in Ben, because we know that he signed up for it one time and he like immediately matched, right? Okay, Ben. So you listened and you had some feedback with Jeff's awkwardness with the date. So let's get into it.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Well, yes, I do have some input. I would love to hear that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Yeah, I just was listening to the last episode, and I had just some questions regarding like the interaction that occurred from the coffee shop to the car, and then from the car on. And Jeff had some things to say, and he said that, Can I walk through your car? And she was like, Yeah, absolutely. And so, okay. He has walked to the car, and then you were like, I already had it set in my brain. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna shake her hand. And I was, and then you said, Hey, kind of I'm awkward, I'm weird. It's kind of come in for a hug. And she said, Yeah, absolutely. So you gave her a hug. And then my second my question right after that was like, Well, after you hugged her, what was that interaction after? Like, was it weird? Was it awkward? Was she kind of just standing there?

SPEAKER_04 1:51

She was standing there. So we basically, so she walked to her car at another block. I had I parked at another block, and we kind of just it was like that like five to seven seconds of like standing there. Yeah. And she just like I just like I didn't understand. I'm like, I'm like, why?

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Yeah. So right after the hug, like five to seven seconds of like, okay, well, is he gonna do anything else? Like, is he gonna ask to like, you know, let's do this again? Or that like moment of like, oh, and that caught my eye. I was like, she likes you, Jeff, because she was waiting for that too. She was wanting more. She was wanting the, oh, I don't have a handshake of, oh, you want to hug me? Okay, absolutely, come hug me. And then the five to seconds, five to seven seconds later of, oh, he didn't do anything. Okay, see you later. And then she got in her car and she left. So that's when I was just commenting on Jeff. I was like, hey, she liked you, Jeff, even though you said that you didn't like her, but it sounded like she was more of a didn't know how to get her feelings out either, and probably didn't go on a date in a while because she said that she's glued to her job and first time out and somebody interested in her. And so that's all I was saying. Was that she liked you? Yeah, you're sorry. It doesn't matter how weird or how like sophisticated a woman is. If she wanted to be there with you for an hour and a half, she was wanting to be there for an hour and a half. If she didn't like you, she would have checked her phone and be like, oh, sorry, Valanche in the backyard.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Yeah, just I have her mouth dying in I have a mouth dying in the lab.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Yeah, yeah. Just come up with some come up with some excuse to leave. And that whole thing of her checking her phone, she's 29 years old. How many times have I put my phone on the desk or the table and like thought I heard a notification of like, oh, nope, just yeah, true. 3 15 in the afternoon. Perfect. You know, it's just a it's just a habit of the thing that we we live in in nowadays of like we're glued to our phones. You can't can't read too much in that.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

No, I was gonna say that we are so connected to our phones, like our phone just is connected, like we're just connected. And I think it actually is kind of like I mean, I don't, I'm not gonna equate this to like, well, yeah, it's a bad habit, like smoking, right? Like smokers, they they smoke, but they like to have like this habit of having a cigarette in their in their fingers or whatever, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Or like it's just the motion of finger to mouth.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Yeah, or like chew, like people that chew tobacco. So maybe yeah, that whole check in the phone wasn't even though you read it, your body language, you're you're you read her body language, Jeff, like she was bored. It may have been just her checking because it's habit.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Yeah. And what do you think about it? Because some of the some of the questions that you were bringing up, and she was also like, Oh, these are some great questions. Like she she's in this dating, right? She she was in this dating scene like you are, and she's probably gone on dates in the past and had these dudes just ask very surface level questions. And she was just like taken back by like, oh my god, a dude who actually wants to get to know me and like understand me. And as a woman, you have to understand too, it's like she just met you, she's not gonna fill her entire life story into you. I mean, you're you're a dude, right? So you could tell her, I have uh a pet cat, I live here, here, and here, um, and uh uh whatnot, right? Yeah, to where a female is not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Well, some of us do. I mean, sometimes I don't.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

I mean, sometimes some of us do, but you're right, you're also not like other women, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

But a lot of us are reserved, right? Especially in the news when you hear like this person got killed by this dating app and that people are you know reserved. But no, that brings up a good point. Like she wouldn't have stayed an hour and a half if she wasn't interested.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

I'm like, God damn it.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Right? It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 5:39

And it's okay you learn from these.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yeah, fuck.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

Yeah, you learn from them, dude. I even told her that I was like socially awkward and neurodivergent a little bit. I don't understand social news. I literally told her that. Like, I literally told her, like, hey, I need you to tell me what you need. Like, if you want me to kiss you, fucking tell me I can kiss you.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

I'm telling you right now, no woman is gonna tell you, hey, kiss me.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Come on to me. Come on to me right now. No, come on. No woman's gonna tell you. I know. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

There, there are, yes, unless it's a first date. Unless it's a paid woman.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Unless it's a paid woman, off. Yeah, paid woman. Yeah. That's yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Okay. So the dating app thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Okay. So wait, wait, before we talk about Ben, before we talk about your thing, Ben. Okay. So I just we just this I just discovered talking to Jeff. Okay, so last night Jeff and I were hanging out and I asked them about the text that you text that girl from the skydiving. She never you never texted her. No, we did. We texted her, but she never Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay, okay. But there was this other cute girl, let's call her Jennifer. Yes, and she's a college student.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

And then so you said yourself that you don't have notifications turned on.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

No, but I just turned them on.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

But you didn't have the notifications.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

Yeah, I didn't. Because I it was probably from a previous download that I turned it off because I did use the date dating app before, like a couple years ago when I remember. Sometimes, like when you go, when you get like a new phone.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Okay, you're wait, I I get it. But here's the point that I want to make. Here's the point that I want to make.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

What's the point?

SPEAKER_01 7:25

You're saying these girls are ghosting you and not getting back to you. But Ben, this girl reached out to him five days ago and he didn't have any notifications.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

She's probably saying the exact same thing about you. God, I reached out to him and this motherfucker's ghosting me.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Yeah, he doesn't like me. He doesn't, whatever. And you know, even though I at we we took up, we pulled it up and I looked, I'm like, oh, you should, you should, you should push her back or poke her back or message her back. Have you done that?

SPEAKER_03 7:51

No. I was busy with school yesterday, mom. I'll text her, I'll text her right now.

SPEAKER_04 7:58

I'll text her right now. Text her right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

No, you can't text it.

SPEAKER_04 8:01

No, no, I'll text her right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

You can't text her right now.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

I do not give a shit. I will text her right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

You cannot text her right now while we're doing this. Anyway, I didn't know. That's what I'm doing it right now. Ben, so you signed up for the dating app, right? Tinder.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

I did.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Yeah. Had you used it for it? Almost 10 years ago. I know. Had you used it before?

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Before I signed up for it?

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

No.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

And what made you sign up for it?

SPEAKER_02 8:24

So I had just gotten out of my high school relationship, my freshman year of college. And me being on the baseball team and just wanting to be social. I was not looking to get anything out of it. I was getting it for just a casual hookup. And I didn't I didn't get it the reason to get it. Neither did my wife, neither did Katie. She she actually got it the same time that I did. Um, and we both super liked each other on Tinder. I don't know if the Tinder, you could do that now, but we both super liked each other. We both were at two different parties. Wait, let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Was your notification turned on?

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Well, I don't remember that night at all because I woke up the next morning and I got the notification that we both super liked each other, and that was it.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

And that's when you reached out to her. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 9:14

I just remember before you met Katie and you were on the dating app. I remember before you went to Sonoma, you gave me so much shit for being on Tinder one time.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

I know. Yeah, it was funny. Tinder. So you I still remember that.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

So you messaged her back. This girl back.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Message her back.

unknown 9:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

So you just message this one girl back that you have on this one dating app. Yeah. So and you turned your notifications on. Yes. So hopefully, even though it's been seven days, hopefully she will message you back.

SPEAKER_04 9:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Right?

SPEAKER_04 9:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Okay, yes. Can we elaborate on that a little bit? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Hopefully she will message me back.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:56

What do you say to her? Hey, I okay. You okay, you have to be here. She sent me two paragraphs.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Oh my god. Two paragraphs initially. Yeah. Okay, who cares? Okay, so maybe she just that's how much she liked you.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Well, that's fine. And I'm just like, I'm I'm trying to process everything, and I just sent the text. So I have to edit it and shit because my grammar is absolute shit. But yeah. Hey, sorry, just got this.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

So you didn't send it?

SPEAKER_04 10:21

I didn't send it. It's unsaved.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Okay, so you can put oh so you just didn't send it just like a text message. You just like send or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

I go back to it, then I'll reread it and then make sure all the grammar is correct.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

I just think it's ironic how you were complaining about people ghosting you and then you didn't put your notifications on. And now, like, can you see what Ben and I are saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Yeah. So I understand.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

So your profile has your nephews, and then you two pictures and that kind of stuff. And then are you gonna join another dating app or no? You're just gonna stay on the one.

SPEAKER_05 10:51

Probably gonna probably go on another one or delete this one.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

You're just gonna delete it and say, if that girl does not take a look at the channel, if I don't meet somebody on Bart, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

I'm done. I'm just gonna delete it. Talk to somebody at the coffee shop.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

How did you get the so, Ben, how did you get the conversation going with Kate? I mean, it must have not been easy to text her, but you just text back, hey, what's up? You super liked me. Yay! Like, what how did that go?

SPEAKER_02 11:20

It was so long ago. It probably went like that. I was just like, hey, I see that we both super liked each other. How's it going? And she was like, hey, yeah. And I was like, I made the comment of I I don't have my notifications turned on here and I don't know how to turn them on. Is there any way that I could get your number? And then she gave me her number.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

She just gave you her number.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Wow. I gotta talk to her about that.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Yeah. It was either number or Snapchat. It was either number or Snapchat. It was like, hey, I don't my my notifications aren't turned on. I don't know how to turn them on. Is there any way that could just get your Snapchat?

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Okay, so that's the other thing you just brought up. So what about you, Jeff? You know how they don't give the numbers and stuff? Do you have Snapchat?

SPEAKER_04 12:03

Who uses Snapchat? Snapchat not a thing anymore? This is also 10 years ago. Yeah. What's the thing now then?

SPEAKER_01 12:09

But what's the thing now? What's the what's the thing?

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Well, now apparently it's email.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Email? People use email?

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Apparently it's email Instagram. No, no, it's not. I'm not that far out of the game, bro. It's not email.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Well, that's what I've been hearing on fucking media.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

It's email. Send me your email? Yeah, it looks like that. That was what happened when it was my age. Send me your email.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

That's what my generation's doing. It's the younger Gen Z shit going back to the 90s seeing like, oh my god, what's your email? Because apparently girls are getting tired of being asked for their phone numbers on Instagrams. That's what I've been hearing.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Wow. Email.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

Maybe they're emailed. I asked a girl out at Nordstrom's. When was this? This was a year ago. Okay. Okay. I thought she was pretty. She worked at the beauty salon type of department. I thought she was pretty. And I hey, I don't remember the conversation, but I asked, like, hey, what what we should get some coffee sometime? What's your number?

SPEAKER_03 13:15

She basically said, Oh, here's my email. Yeah, because she doesn't check her email.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

I guess it's kind of like the old school of giving somebody the wrong number. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Like I have a story to tell you a number.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

What? Tell us a story. So, Ben, I don't want to keep you anymore if you need to go. But I just thought it was interesting how your perspective on that whole thing with her being awkward. And you're right. So, Jeff, some takeaways from that earlier conversation that we just talked about. If a girl is interested, they're going to stay. Okay. If they're not interested, they're going to have an emergency. Hey, I got to go. It's Mike's meeting you. You know, oh, look at the time. I have a previous engagement. I have to get up early. I got to go to work. Whatever it is, they're going to make an excuse to go.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

And also, there's another thing that girls like to like punch you in the arm and just poke you and stuff like that, like say mean things to you. That's also a sign of like they like you. What are they? Five? I don't know. So I don't fucking know. Like sometimes. Who does that? I don't know. I had a few fucking broworkers.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

I I could see if you're like in a group of people and they're like touching you in that way. Yeah, right, Jeff? And like kind of like touching you, I could see kind of, but not like a coworker stance. They're just being friendly.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Okay. Thank you for yeah. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Like punching your well, nobody should punch you. It wasn't like on the job. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:40

My grandma punched harder than you.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Well, no. So the takeaway from that, I I think that's true, is you know, if they if they're gonna stay, they're gonna stay. And and now that Ben is bringing this perspective up, I think that she probably did like you.

SPEAKER_04 14:52

I really wish I had, I wish I had been in my ear that night.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Well, you know, maybe that can happen.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

God damn it.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Wear an iPod. Call it and he'll what movie is that? What movie is that?

SPEAKER_04 15:02

Next time that ever happens. If that ever happens, and I'm like, I really wish Ben will not be working that night. And I'm like, hey, dude, can you just take the day off and I'll just call you from the bathroom? Like, dude, I need your help here. What's going on? I don't want to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Or have him waiting at the bar. All right. So what about what's your story? The girl at Nordstrom, she gave you an email, but she didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 15:19

That's it. That was just that was it. She just gave me that email, and then I basically like I sent her an email. I was buried.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

But so nowadays nobody uses Snapchat, apparently, right?

SPEAKER_04 15:28

No one fucking does. If they do it, it's a fucking child.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

What about signal or WhatsApp? Isn't that like the thing to do now? I don't know. Instagram? What? WhatsApp?

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Instagram? WhatsApp? Who uses WhatsApp?

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Lots of people use WhatsApp. It's a lots of people use WhatsApp. No, you could you have a WhatsApp because you have an Android. So you have to have a WhatsApp.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

True. So okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

But maybe we need maybe you need to start figuring out like Ben was saying, instead of you know phone number, Snapchat, like the way people communicate now through social media.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Like what is happening now? Like does it need like obviously we're completely aging ourselves because like Ben was saying, Snapchat. I thought people still use Snapchat.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

They do. They do.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

The younger people do.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Yeah. Yeah. It's not as popular, but Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

So people still use Snapchat.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

All right. So you turned your notifications on.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Yes. Okay. And you're going to check your grammar and you're going to reach out to her. And you know what? Now that actually Ben actually just said with Kate when he said, Hey, I don't have my notifications on. You can tell her, hey, I turned my notifications off. I was, you know, in a final or I was, you know, I was in, you know, whatever it is at work, whatever, like a work retreat, and I had to turn my notifications off. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Something like that. Transparency.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

And then you turn your notifications on because you don't want this to be a pattern.

SPEAKER_05 16:55

No, I don't want to make the pattern. So stupid like that.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Although you kind of are like you have that pattern anyway in your daily life.

SPEAKER_05 17:02

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 17:03

You never call me or talk to me. The only time you call me or talk to me is when you come up to visit. And do you ever call Ben? Ben.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Never.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Never. Do you ever call Logan? Who who does it call in?

SPEAKER_04 17:17

You or Ben or Logan.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah. So that being said, I think.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

I get so lost in my head, I apologize.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

No, you don't have to apologize, but what I'm saying is this is this is this is one of the things that we you have to work on, right?

SPEAKER_05 17:30

Like behavior technician.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

You know, you're you have to be responsive in a timely manner in order for people to think that you're interested in them. Otherwise, like you said, people will move on, right? Like I hate to say this, but most people have an attention span of a gnat. I don't know. I know I do. Ben Ben does. Ben definitely has an attention. You do too, right? So no, I'm serious.

SPEAKER_04 17:53

Yeah, I know you're serious.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I mean, before we move on to go with this other dating to make sure your your dating profile is good. Do you have any other things that you could suggestions, Ben, that you can give him on his responsiveness of what his right?

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Yeah, no. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

Thanks, bro.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

And it sounds like you're asking the right questions when you're at the date where people get interested in you.

SPEAKER_04 18:16

Yeah. Seems like I panic a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

What do you mean you panic?

SPEAKER_04 18:19

Seems like I'm like, I don't know. We can talk about another issue.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

What? We're right here. We've got time. What? Ben's here. What?

SPEAKER_05 18:27

I do sometimes over talk a little bit to fill the void.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Oh, you don't like silence?

SPEAKER_05 18:32

I do like silence, but it's just I just like I I'm sometimes like when I ask questions and I just don't like vague answers. Sometimes I fill those questions. When I ans when I ask a question, I sometimes answer the question. Like, oh, for me.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Oh, so like when you ask the question and then they kind of take a while to answer, then you go, oh, well, for me, this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And do you give them an opportunity to answer?

SPEAKER_05 18:56

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

You do.

SPEAKER_05 18:58

I give them at least five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

But you just sit there in silence for five minutes? That's a long time.

SPEAKER_05 19:04

I listen. Not five minutes.

SPEAKER_04 19:05

That's over exaggeration. But I wait. I wait and like, okay. Because my again, my brain is very fast. My brain's fast. My brain thinks very responsively, thinks of the thinks of an answer, and it processes it differently. But the thing is, yeah, this thing thinks to work on. But again, I appreciate your advice, Ben. It really helped.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yeah. Okay. So your profile. So that picture's been there for a while. So maybe we need to get a new one with you and your nephew. Yeah. Especially now that he's older and he's more like he can, you know, have expression with his bait little baseball hat on backwards and he's looking at you crazy.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

I think we I should just delete it and just start all over.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Like a whole new profile?

SPEAKER_04 19:43

Like a whole new profile. This is my third one that I restarted.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Why?

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Sometimes again, there's too many men.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:51

There's not a lot of girls. So I have to literally restart it, delete it, and restart it all over again. And that's when it's kind of starts to pull over again.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

So let me ask you.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

I know Kate Kate helped you with this profile.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Did she help you with the whole description of it or just the pictures?

SPEAKER_04 20:11

Just the pictures.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

So you did that description?

unknown 20:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Of like help me blah blah blah with the hook?

SPEAKER_04 20:18

I use my AI. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Well, yeah, AI is everything.

SPEAKER_04 20:21

So that's AI is my assistant, and like my AI said, like, you need some work, bro. So like that he gave me some suggestions and You talk to talk about AI like it's a person. Yeah. I literally like I literally design my AI as like a bro, as like a from a frat. Like literally. You can really customize your AI to talk like that. So all right.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

So what you're gonna what we're gonna have to do. Okay, but you cannot cancel this until you hear back from my brand.

SPEAKER_04 20:47

I like I said, I give it a week after the podcast. I will read the message and then send it. And then we can do it again next week and see what the what she responds. Again, if she doesn't respond in a week, I'm deleting everything and we're starting over.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Okay, because we need material because you're starting to die out here, bud.

SPEAKER_04 21:06

Yeah, I mean star over here. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

I mean, we could talk about the wine tasting that we went through today.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

Fuck, we could talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

I mean, but no, that wasn't really that funny, but the fact that you but it was, but it was fun.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

That's just like, hey, what's with the roasting bitch face?

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Yeah, exactly. So this poor lady is explaining the different wines. I'm just trying to listen to the fucking story. I just want to drink my fucking wine. I know. She's going on and on, which is fine. She's so nice. She was nice. History of the vineyards, hundred-year-old this, blah, blah, blah. And then so she walks away, and dad looks at him Ben and he goes, What's with the resting bitch face? And Jeff's like, what are you talking about? I was just trying to listen. And I'm like, You aren't trying to listen. I read right through you. You didn't want to listen. And Jeff admitted it. Jeff's like, I don't know why she was talking so much. She was talking so much. I just wanted to sit here and enjoy the atmosphere and drink my. Wine. And I'm like, she's trying to do her job. But what was funny was fast forward an hour, and she talks about sales, right? And she's starting to walk away. And Jeff starts a full-on conversation with her. I had four glasses of wine in. I'm like, yeah, of course. I'll walk in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

He was four glasses of wine, the truth's coming out.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah. Chatty Cappy. Like, we could not shut him up. Chatty Cappy. And yeah, like you kept on and on and on and on. I'm a fucking talker. 15 minutes later, she goes away to get a new bottle of wine to taste. And me and Dad look at him and go, What the fuck? An hour ago you were saying she couldn't shut up, and then now we couldn't shut you up.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

I'm a Gemini. I can't help it.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

I just think it's funny. You're like, this conversation does not interest me. I'm not, I'm not even gonna pay attention. This is not interesting. Go away. And then she starts talking about sales. And he's like, oh, sales? Merchandising? I am totally interested. I'm gonna be paying attention to this. Typical, right? Jeez. Crazy. Okay. So thanks, Ben, for joining us. I know that this we were we had to wrap we had to wrap up last week's podcast with whether or not what you used on your dating app. So you and Katie just matched to each other, and that's it. You didn't match to anybody else?

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Absolutely not. I only matched to Katie.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

And then she only matched to you, huh?

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Very good. Katie only Katie only matched to me too. Absolutely. We were one and done on Tinder. I fucking hate that.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Hey, hear the story that you should.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Which is funny because I just walked right by her when she when I said that and she goes, fuck you. That's not even true.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

So she had probably had lots of people matching to her. You just grabbed her out of the ocean before anybody else could.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

No, it was I had it for a couple days. She had it for a couple days. And then once we matched with each other, we both deleted it.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yeah, that's good then. And then did how did you okay? So on your guys' first date, was it a little bit awkward? So Jeff understands that it does, it is a little awkward, like just a little bit, or no, was it completely flowing?

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Our first date, I picked her up from meeting, and it was kind of awkward just like to begin with of like, okay, how do I do this? Because I mean, there's some more things that go into what exactly happened between us.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah. Uh you don't need to go into it all.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Yeah. And it's like I wanted to do like a first like good impression just because of what happened in the like before. So I picked her up. It's kind of awkward. We hung out in my dorm, just walked around a little bit. And then the goodbye was the exact same thing as you, Jeff. I drove her back to her car and I hugged her. She kind of like stayed there for a minute, and I was like, fuck. So I went for a kiss. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

So that's it. Ask for a hug. If they hug it, and then she stays there, say, well, had a nice time. And if she stays and doesn't turn to get into the car, she know, you know, you could even ask her. That's your shit. Would you mind if I kiss you? If if you don't want, if you're afraid you might, you know, you could even ask, would you mind if I gave you a kiss? Right? I mean, is that bad? I don't know. I'm I'm old.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Not bad at all.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Yeah. You see, because dad and I didn't really have a first date.

SPEAKER_04 25:13

You guys met at a pizza place.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

No, that is not our first date. Our first date was me going, I was a I was a I was an intern. Well, I was in school. So, and he was an EMS. So my friend that was in school with me, her boyfriend was his partner in EMS. So she arranged me to go on a ride along with the boyfriend with your dad, who was his partner. So that whole day, I worked, I was following them in the in the ambulance. So that was our first date. So it really wasn't a first date. Because then when we did go on our first date, we'd already like, and we went to high school together. But it was one of those things, right? So I never really like I yeah, so I don't know. So it's good that Ben's here to say that. So it's good to hear that Ben and Katie were kind of awkward like that.

SPEAKER_03 26:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Right?

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Okay. So this is great. We have action items, we're moving forward. You're gonna reach out to that person. Thank you so much, Ben Ben, for joining us. And until next week, this is Laughing Through the Uncomfortable with Julie and our guest. Ben. And uh we'll see you next week.