Back From Finals & Nothing Is Going According to Plan

Jeff is back from finals and ready to dive back in and he did not come back empty handed! 🎙️

This week on Laughing Through the Uncomfortable, a blast from the past calls Jeff out of nowhere during his lunch break and drops some unexpected news, she is moving close by and apparently Abby has been causing drama again 😂

Then the conversation gets real fast. Jeff has been grinding for four years trying to land his dream job at his pinnacle company in the Bay Area. We get into the nightmare of phone interviews when you are neurodivergent, accidentally calling a female recruiter sir 😂 the mystery of ghost job postings, salary negotiation anxiety, and what happens when 94 people apply for the same position five days after you did!

And we tease what is coming next  a conversation about the voices in our heads and imposter syndrome that is going to hit close to home for a lot of people 🎙️

Real talk, real laughs and a dog named Oakley who tried to end the podcast early!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey, hello, and welcome to Laughing Through the Uncomfortable with Julie and Jeff. Yeah, we're back. Uh Jeff's back. Yay, Jeff, you're back. And yeah, so how did finals go? Everything went well?

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Yeah, everything great, and just crossing my fingers.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

And so now you're off on summer break. So you're not taking any classes during the summer?

SPEAKER_02 0:20

Nope. Full on, just putting my portfolios together for fall.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

That's good. That's really good. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Redownloading all the templates and Excel sheets. Awesome. Love it.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Well, you only have one more semester after that, so you'll be done. That'll be awesome. No more school for now. So you it's interesting. We talked earlier today, and you were at work today, and a bat a blast from the past called you, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Yeah. Out of the blue. I thought, oh, someone was going to talk about my day. I'm like, that's fantastic. I love math conversations. Love it.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Math conversations.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Yeah. When someone calls you up out of the blue, they're not actually going to actually check up on you. They're actually want to talk about their fucking shit. That's that's me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Miscred conversations. But there's some good, some bad. I'm like, okay, what the heck?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

And this was B, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yep, it was B. Apparently she called me saying, like, hey, are you at work?

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Hang on, before you go in on the conversation, we have to remind our viewers who haven't been listening, or it's B and Abby, I think were we discussed that like on episode four, maybe. It was the texting uh go uh embarrassing and then ghosted you for eight months, kind of a thing with Abby. And B, who is actually a better friend than your, is a better friend to you than Abby is. So B is the one who called you today.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Yep. And she wanted just she texted me first briefly. And I'm like, I kind of knew how she she wanted to get something off her chest. I'm like, all right. So I kind of just played into it, but I knew it was I knew there was something else coming in. So I'm like, hey, how are you? How's school? And so blah blah blah. I'm like, how's working great? Are you working today? I said, yes. Are you okay to chat and stuff like that? I'm on my lunch. Immediately, when I said I'm on my lunch, she immediately called me and I had my earphones in because my other managers were in the back room. They love to gossip and they're all fucking brown nosers, but you know, they're I I can never have a conversation at work without someone without gossip anywhere. So I had to put my earphones in, I had a whisper, and she basically staying, like, hey, how's work and stuff like that? And it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

But then she told you that she had found a place near you.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Yeah, well, that's the thing. That was the last, that was the last dig of information I had to ask her. I had literally had to dig this conversation into pieces, and she just started blowing up my ear as the time out, time out.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Well, maybe she was just testing or not testing, but testing the waters because she hadn't talked to you for a long time. And so she wanted to see if you were still open to being her friend, and that maybe she wasn't like, you know, that forthcoming with information just quite yet because she wanted to see whether or not, you know, how hostile the water was.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

If I had if I still had ties with with Abby. No, no. No.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

No, more of a, I mean, she hasn't talked to you for a long time. And the last time you talked to her, or shall I say, the last time you texted or t Abby texted you was like a month and a half ago when she was like, Hey, long time no see, and you're like, Yeah, and then you kind of like left her on red and you never responded back, right? So I'm sure Abby told B that conversation. Like, I tried to reach out to Jeff, but he left me on red and he never responded back. So I'm sure B reaching out to you today was just kind of like she misses her friend, but she also wanted to make sure that you weren't mad at her because she probably talked to Abby about it and they probably talked about it. So the more that you talked to her, you were open to have that conversation, the more she was willing to open that information up to you. And then now it was back like old days, right? So she told you that you she was moving near you then, and then she asked you to hang out with her once she moved in.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah, it's just the thing is they she told me that her and Abby had a little falling out because they were supposed to apparently they're going to move in together. And and that's at the same time when Abby broke up with her boyfriend.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Oh, about the same time that Abby texted you?

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Oh, it was like a week after. Apparently, about a construction guy, like it's this full tobacco. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

So they were gonna get a place together, but then that fell through. How did that fall through? Was it a big thing?

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Apparently Abby wanted the bigger room, wanted the bigger room, and B B didn't want that. B wanted the bigger room, and it's just like and Alby just started just dissing her family and shit. And I'm like, B's just telling me all this at lunch, and I'm just I I'm honing back my laughter, and I'm like, I'm on B's side, honestly. I'm just like, fuck that bitch. I'm like, oh shut, she's burning her bridges. Let her burn her bridges. And after that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Well, the one with the bigger room usually pays more rent.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

That's what I told her. But the thing is, she told me that the B apparently the room was a lot smaller. I couldn't even like she told me she couldn't fit her bed in there. And she she owns like a queen, mom. Same bed as I do.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

That's a small, that's a small room. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you think about it, it's the size of a king. Well, I mean, when we when your dad and I were up in Oregon, and we we were, you know, living in that small little house with living in that small little house before the other house was done, that bedroom was like a nine by ten, I think. And like it was super small. But that was we were able to fit a queen. Of course, I had to like do the par I had to do the parkour, jump jump and ricochet off the whole, you know, the walls, jump over the headboard and you know, do the parkour in and out every morning. But it worked out, but not if you're gonna live there, like if you have to. I mean, B has B has a good job, she makes good money. Why didn't they just try and look for a bigger place with just a couple hundred dollars more a month?

SPEAKER_02 6:21

I don't know. She wouldn't allow me to dig that information. I had to literally stop her from ripping my ear off. Like, okay, let's hold it on here. I'm like, okay, I'm just eating my sandwich while my earphones being blown up. I literally had to turn down my earphone. But at the end of that conversation, it was most likely the only the silver lining was that she basically found a place near me. And I'm really happy about that. And super excited. We're just gonna go wine tasting and going drinking coffee before we go to work in the city. And it's just nice to have a friend close by.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Oh, I bet, especially a friend that you trust. And I'm glad that she's healthy. You were saying that she, you know, beat her cancer diagnosis so she's healthy. So that's good. That's good. That is awesome. I'm glad. That's good. And you know, nobody needs toxic friends like Abby. It just sounds like Abby's just toxic, just in general. She's just toxic in general. Drama. Well, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Apparently, the news I got from B was the the reason why she broke up with her boyfriend, the construction worker.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Yeah. Um is it we can't, is it X-rated? You can't say anything X-ray.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Not X-rated. Like he wanted to go on a guy's trip, and apparently she was so clingy to him. She I I believe he broke up with her because she flipped out on him because she couldn't come with the guy's crib. Guys It's a guy's trip, though. Right? She like she visited for like a day, and literally he sat her down and told her, like, hey, Abby, I'm like, this is my trip with my guys. I love you being here, but I need you to go home.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

See, no, this is a thing that I don't understand. Right? So this is what I don't understand. We're gonna we're gonna get into this conversation. And and you're not married, so you don't know, but you do know because you you you have no no no. What I'm saying is you understand because you you've gone on you like you can understand that like that crossing the line with the she went and visited him on his guy's trip.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

God damn it.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Like that's completely I don't understand. I have no idea. Okay, why do women and men get upset when their significant other says me and the girls, right, are gonna go trust a girl. Is it Disneyland for the weekend? Huh?

SPEAKER_02 8:38

Never trust a girl's trip. Guys' trips are okay, but girls' trips are what do you mean never trust a girl's trip?

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Some girls cheat. Guys don't. That is the most quietest thing that I've ever heard you say.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

I just heard it from news and Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

No, it's no, no, don't believe everything you read on the internet. But no, my point, that wasn't my point. It doesn't matter about that. I mean, people cheaters are gonna cheat.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yes, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Cheaters are gonna cheat regardless, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

And it always my point was I am always shocked when like when I if I went on a girls' trip, dad was totally okay with me going, you know, on a weekend trip, like down with one of my good friends when with her bachelorette party when she was getting married, and I was her maid of honor. We went to Disneyland for three days, right? Me and all and all of our bridesmaids, and it was the with we had the best time.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Well, you and another friend went to Italy.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, that was the same friend. That was the same friend, and we went for 14 days. Dad was like, dad didn't fly get on a plane and fly over and go, What are you doing? I'm spending the day with you. No, he it was good being at home and same with him when he goes on his guy's trip, you know, down to San Diego or Lake Tahoe or Montana or whatever trip he goes with his guy friends. I'm like, see you later bye. Because guess what happens? For those five days that he's gone, I get the bed myself. I get the TV all to myself. I don't have to, you know, go, what do you want to watch? I could watch my Hallmark channel movies without him going, hey, baseball game's on. Can we turn on, you know, Vanderbilt? Can we turn on Vandy, please? You know, that kind of thing. So I'm not surprised that he didn't break that he broke up with her. I mean, that's something that you don't do.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Yeah. And they just moved in together too. They just moved in together too. That's why she needs a roommate. Because the guy kept her own apartment.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah, he probably moved in with her and thought, oh my goodness, this is not what I expected.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Nope. And she has to move out. That's the reason why.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Well, hopefully she finds a place. I don't want anybody to be homeless. Hopefully she finds a place. Oh well. No. I don't understand. So my so we're gonna talk about this. So our listeners, whoever listens, I don't understand. You if you're a if you're a girl and you have a significant other who went on a person's trip, a girl's trip, a boy's trip, a whatever partnership, and you got upset. Why do you get upset? Boys, if your girls, partners, whatever, both of you, boys and girls, men and women. I want to know why you would get upset if somebody's going on a boy or a girl trip or their friend's trip. A friend's trip. I don't understand. I need to explain. People need people, you need to help me figure this one out. Right?

SPEAKER_01 11:19

I don't get it. No.

unknown 11:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

It's okay. Hopefully, hopefully somebody will answer my question. Oh, they will. I don't know. Speaking of, uh, before we did the best of the twelve, the episode before that, I had asked listeners to comment and send us questions about, you know, you, Ben and Logan. So maybe we'll on the next podcast, we'll get Ben and Logan and we can get questions and you know asked by our listeners, things that they want to know about. You know, nothing really too personal, but just really, you know, cool questions. And I'm gonna through it. So we're gonna do that. Anyway, so from what I understand, you said you got two new books that you're going to read over the summer and study.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Yeah. I'm reading them now. I just started reading. Okay, I hate being dyslexic, honestly. I really do, because I want to read it, but at the same time, I have to power through it. It's like it's like being with my pathologist again, right? You gotta sit down, you gotta you gotta.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

You're a speech pathologist or the reading therapist.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Both. Everyone. Because I can't use AI for this shit. I can't no, I can't. Because apparently apparently AI is getting bugged again. Getting bombed. What do you mean? AI is getting bombed. Meaning, okay, there's this huge craze of like AI being helped with like resumes and stuff, right? And now and now there's a counter system against AI, and then there's another anti, anti-AI doing everything. So okay, this is a good thing. Okay, so I want this little segment to be a part about interviewing. Okay, the books I got was to help me better interviewing. I do better in person. I don't do calls. I hate Zoom. Oh god, I can I want to hate I hate vocal call interviews so much. I miss the in-person interview. I was even being a low-ranked person making a low amount of money, low balling. I don't care. I just want a job.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

But you have a really good job. You just want to have a job. You just want to have either move up in the company that you are in in merchandising what you're studying, or get a position somewhere else with so you can use your master's, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

I mean, basically that's what it is. And you know what, honestly, the Zoom interview, that's like I I uh I would think that that would be super hard because an in-person interview, you can see a lot of the body language, the unspoken language, you know, the how they fidget, what they do with their pens, how they think, what the interviewer's doing. And their internet just crashed. Huh?

SPEAKER_02 14:08

And their internet just crashed.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

Oh. No, what I'm saying is that in-person interviews probably easier for you because over Zoom, I mean, as it is, you have a hard time reading people, right?

unknown 14:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

You have a hard time reading social cues, you have a hard time reading the unspoken language or the body language, the nonverbal language is the technical term that we use, right? So in person, you can actually see and have it and see their whole everything from them sitting, the chair, everything in their environment, right? Compared to Zoom, which I think it would be pretty super hard because you only see from the chest up. So you don't see all of their whole nonverbal cues, right? That is also true. So what? Spill it, kiddo. This is a podcast that's not on video, so you gotta start talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

I know, I know, I know, I know. I'm just there's this one specific brand in the Bay Area that I want to work for.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

My dream job. My AAA baseball fucking university, how our family year.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

It's not triple A, it's Major Leagues.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Major Leagues. There you go. That I don't understand that. Baseball shit. So it is located very locally.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Triple A's right before Major Leagues.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Right? It's a half an hour from where I live, literally a drive, and it's a hybrid position. And I've been trying to interview for this fucking company mall for four years. Before I was getting my masters and now. And it I I know all the recruiters' names, I know all the buyers' names, and guess what? They get promoted. I have to go back and get to Donald again.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Like, what's your fucking name, motherfucker? But no, stop. But that's good though, because then the new recruiters move so that those people get promoted to move on. So now you have new recruiters, so you have new people that you have to impress, whereas other those other people probably already had an idea of who you were and put you into, you know, a peg hole, like a you know, a square peg versus a triangle peg versus a circle peg, and they've already put you in that peg where they're trying to find a job for you, but they only see was a s they only see was a square, but you're actually a circle. So, right? So this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Yeah. I know the senior recruiter and I know the associate recruiter, and they still work there. Thank God. Okay, when the job okay, first of all, this is um okay, this is last year. Okay. This young, she sounded really cute over the phone. All the email, I'm like, oh my god, this is so cute email. Okay. She sent me an email, wanted to roll, wanted to fill the role fast. Cool. Phone call. I was I was unprepared for it. What's your salary expectation? And I lost all this integral $27 an hour. I'm like, she said, you know what? That's what we're looking for. I'm like, I'm not gonna say, Oh, I am open. Is it negotiation? Bullshit. Apparently, you have to negotiate salary expectations. You have to like, it's like a dating thing. You have to negotiate, you have to you can't have them lowball you. And I'm like, what? So phone calls.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

When did you learn that? How did you learn that? What what Instagram? Why are you why are you learning your interview too? I am bored.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Mother, I am bored. I am bored on BART, I am bored at work. Why are you believing that? Because I don't know. I'm taking your advice and everyone else's advice. Okay, first of all, I got through the fucking first round interview, mom, in the brand that I wanted to work for. This brand owns two-quarters of the market, menswear market, mom. Okay. I was I was I was applying for the assistant merchant role. And I met the two buyers that I was going to work for. And and oh my god, I still regret it to this day because I answered the fucking question wrong.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Well, qu what do you go ahead?

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Talk about it. What do you see yourself in five years? My dumbass right up said, I'm gonna open my own brand.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Yeah, why would you say that in ten years? That means that you're not, yeah, no, you don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

And I I instead of saying I see myself being, instead of saying, Well, in five years, I see myself still working here in this department, learning from you, mentor, and if I'm lucky enough, I'll move up and become a buyer or an assistant buyer.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Yeah, that's what you said. And apparently the guy named Jimmy got the job because, okay, well, first of all, it's not my fault. The recruiter literally sent me an email saying, hey, Jimmy, I'm like, recruiter, my name is not Jimmy, my name is uh Jet. Like she said, Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm like, well, whoever Jimmy is, I'm gonna take his identity. And I'm like, wait, maybe I should have changed my resume to Jimmy.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Wait, wait, wait, wait. The recruiter sent you an email to Jimmy saying, Congratulations, Jimmy, you get the job. Well, I would have sent, I would have replied saying, Oh my god, thank you so much. I'll report on Monday. What time? What's the address? And then sign it, Jeff.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Well no one they wouldn't have, they would have been like, oh no.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Yeah. That's a that's uh it was it was two years ago, and I still remember it, and I'm still contact with this recruiter. I'm still contact with the senior recruiter, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Are they hiring again?

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Yeah. So put it for it. I did. That was two months ago.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

So did you did you did you did you email the recruiter going, hey, what's up with this job? And what happened? What happened? What happened? What did they do? Jeff's looking it up the email to see the response that he's getting, which is why he's being silent right now.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

Yeah, okay. This is this is now, uh a year later, context to a year later, I met the senior man, I met the senior recruiter. Okay, and she was an amazing person, but honestly, I thought she was a man. I thought she sounded like a man. This is why I don't like phone interviews. She was sick, and she had a deep voice. And like, is this is this Jeff so-and-so? I'm like, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

I looked at the email, I'm like, no, you didn't say yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Did she say no? Did she say no? My name is Pam, and I'm sick. I'm sorry, my voice, I'm losing my voice or something.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Yeah. It's a year and a half ago, mom. And I'm like, Well, so here's the thing. You're yeah, I'm not done. I'm not done. Um this is one more thing. So, and then she says, What is your salary expectation? Recruiters literally ask, What's that?

SPEAKER_00 20:36

No, what do you say? 27. I would say 25 to 30 dollars. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

No, that's the thing. That's the thing. Recruiters have this like formula, right? Yeah, like ask three to four basic fucking questions. They're always asked, What your salary expectations? But she basically said, I'm like, Well, I I learned from you and other people. I'm like, well, I I am open for a negotiation, and it's obviously I am down, and then she immediately cut me off, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. I I need to know your salary expectation. I'm like, I need a moment. $28 an hour. Like, you know what? Thank you so much. Uh, you have any questions for me? And so and so. I'm like, uh, yeah. Who are the buyers that I'm going to communicate with? What are their emails? So and so. And of course, my dyslexic ass. I am my inter I again. I don't like I love people, but honestly, it's just like she was just really just she was awful, right? She was sick. She was sick. I said, like, oh my god, you're sick? Oh my god, I hope you feel better. And she cut me off. Well, she just had an interview. She didn't feel good. She violated, she had 56 people, Mom. And the next day, another 96 people applied. I feel bad for her, but also I'm like, she did sound like a man. Well, she was sick.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Well, she was sorry. She looks at the side.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

I looked at her picture and I'm like, oh god, he does have a strong jawline.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Oh my god. I don't know. I don't know. Can't believe you just said that. No, this is the this is you just applied two months ago and you're Haven't heard anything, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

That was last that was a year and a half ago, but now is this. Okay, so now this is back in early April, like beginning of late May, late March, early April. LinkedIn, fucking hate it. I hate LinkedIn, it's a piece of shit. I want I wanted a job and I have to manually check it. So-and-so brand, I want to do merchandising assistant. Perfect. Did that Bay Area? Did that. Okay. A week ago, motherfucker. So basically, I had to like apply, manually apply, do, do, do, do, do do, do, had a red my resume three fucking times, submitted it, and I'm like, okay, this post has no recruiter.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Well, no recruiter. Well, on the Instagram, on the LinkedIn, there's no recruiter or anything. Maybe it was the company that was doing it. Or maybe it was it a full job posting?

SPEAKER_02 22:50

It's probably a ghost post, but it was on the company website. I went to the company website. I didn't apply through LinkedIn. I applied through the company website because I have a fucking account on that.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

I taught you well. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

I upload my resume. Oh, like, oh, it's like, sorry, you you're missing some things, but the job posting said, you are 100% qualified. I'm like, okay. So I then had to go into the messaging, and then I had to wait a week for the recruiter to show up. And then there it goes. The recruiter. The recruiter finally, they they reposted. Thank fucking god they reposted it on LinkedIn. I am I follow all the all of the recruiters. All of them. It took four years, but I finally followed them all. And they all reposted. They all share shit like fucking Facebook. And I and I immediately I knew her email. And I sent her an email. Wow.

unknown 23:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

So all the recruiters for all the different companies share stuff between each other, like Facebook. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. All the different levels.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

One.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

It's the same fucking people. It's kind of like one big mailbox or something.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

It's like one big mailbox or something.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Yeah. I had to wait a couple of days. I applied within 24 hours. So I'm like, well, I'm safe. I'm still in the safe zone. Cool. I had to wait a week. Oh, the senior recruiter from the year and a half ago. Sweet. I have her fucking email. I sent her my BSS email, sent her my resume. All right, this is what I said. I'm not gonna, I'm not just gonna summarize it. Okay. Oh, that's it. Oh, oh, what I look at here, you emailed her back in April when the fucking thing started. I'm like, okay, click. Yeah. Okay. So I sent this, I said this like I had like AI help me with the email. I'm like, okay. I retyped it out so that way it makes sure, like, oh, this is not generated AI. It took a pain in the ass to type all this shit, edit everything. Apparently, AI's making mistakes now.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

AI's always made mistakes. That's how I always told you. You always have to review it and look at it and read it.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Yeah. Yeah. Thank God for Grammarly. Grammarly's AI is fixing the other AI shit. You know that? Yeah. Yeah. So give Grammarly a raise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They raised their rates, Mom. Now it's not $30 a month. Now it's like $50 a month. Fuck that shit. Well, you just Yeah, I'm paying for I'm paying for the full subscription because I'm my dyslexic ass can't survive fashion school because I need that.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Well you only need that for school, right? Yeah. So did you write that off? Did you write that off on your taxes, hopefully? Because it's uh an expense that you can write off.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

It's an expense you can write off? Yes. Well, I'm doing that next year.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

As a student, you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Yeah, as a student.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

I don't know who you use. Don't have to be asked.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Ask my tax. I will ask my task expert.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Ask the subject expert. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

Okay. So to summarize this first email, I sent this first email on the 15th of April.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Okay. Okay. And you haven't heard anything back.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Oh no, I did. A day, a day after. Oh, okay. Blah blah blah. My my master's, blah, blah, blah. I have my analytical skills, my strong communication skills. I'm a great write for this job. And I attached my I attached my resume. And she then texted me. Hi, Jeff. I did see that you applied in the system going through resumes and sharing with the team soon. Thank you so much. Recruiter. Two weeks went by. Two weeks. And I said a thank you email. Okay. And another following up email saying, Hi, recruiter. I hope your week's going well. I'm still interested in the position, but I have not heard back from anything. What is the news on the application? And she immediately sent me a message six hours later. She says, Awesome. I have sent your resume to the team for review on the 13th. I will certainly reach out when I hear anything. Thank you, recruiter. That was on the April 30th. And guess what? I checked the bot job posting again. They reposted it five days after 94 people applied. Wow. I was I was one of seven first applied. My resume was perfect. The recruiter did her job. I don't I have to believe her. I have to believe this person. Right? I don't know. I I don't believe that she's mil ill or anything like that. But this is pissing me off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, reapply.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

I can't. Because when I go to the company website, you said you already applied. I can't apply again. Wow. So I think it's not the recruiter, it's the it's the team. And they're being really picky. And I I literally said about my other stuff that I did from work and stuff like that. So yeah, that's what's going on. And I want to apply to the company that I want to work for again. And that's why I bought this book about interviewing and this book about fixing your self-doubt, fixing your confidence, you know, interviewing process. I know that's a lot to impact there. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Well, I just stay the course. You know, you learn you learn something new every time you interview or you go through this process. Right? So that's all I can say.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

No, it's fine. I have I have my list of call I have my list of favorite companies to work for. And I can't even get to the community college one. It's that that's that's how shitty it is out here, mom. It's how shitty it is. I am overqualified for all these jobs. And I can't even get to the elementary school level one. A little softball. You guys use your participation trophy. And I'm competing with younger generations that don't know shit.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Well, the only thing that I can say is just continue doing what you do. And like your dad and I said, if there are more, if there are better jobs like for you to get your foot in the door to do maybe a year or 18 months in another state, like back east in Chicago and New York or even Florida, then maybe you may have to move there for a year or 18 months, just you know, get your foot in the door here in the Bay Area.

unknown 28:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

I'm I am totally prepared to relocate. It's just I know I didn't I didn't mean to make this gloomy. We can pull it off. What?

SPEAKER_00 29:03

No, it's not gloomy. No, it's not gloomy. No, no, no, no, no, it's not gloomy. I just my microphone stopped working, so hopefully the audio doesn't change because I'm gonna I'm gonna edit this out. Oakley fucking came in and tore out, tore through my mic.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

An old man. I know old dog.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

And he cut through the wires and disconnected the mic. So jealous.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

He's just jealous he wants to be on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Yeah. So I'm hoping that when it unplugged the microphone unplugged, I'm hoping that it didn't stop recording because I'm still showing it being recorded. But it says that yeah. So I gotta look. So I'm we may have to redo it. No, not redo it, but t but what we could do is I can download where we're at, and then from that moment on we can record from when my microphone disconnected, we can like I can delete all of that stuff after, and then we could just re-record the ending of it.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Okay, so back on the whole thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

So you said you don't want to be doom and gloom. You know what you're not doom and gloom because here's the reality of it's you're not the only one in this circumstance. There's so many people out there looking for positions that fit their qualifications that are not there, and they're getting as just as frustrated as you are right now. And I know because I've heard this occurring, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

So I I think that this is good because it's not a doom and gloom, but our listeners probably, there are a lot of people who may feel the same way you feel with frustration. All I have to say is, and my my advice to you is I'm glad you have B moving close to you. That way you can, you know, start getting out and socializing more. Number one, number two, stay the course. You have this pinnacle company that you've always wanted to work for. Well, maybe it's maybe it's not time for you to work for it. Maybe the universe is telling you that something else is going to be coming along. And I've told you before, you need to start thinking out of the box with your merchandising. You can do merchandising pretty much with any kind of product, with shoes, with wine, with whiskey, with food, with clothing. And I know that you like working in clothing. However, it may just, you know, find a position somewhere to get you in the door for merchandising. And then when this pinnacle company comes around, once you have more experience as a merchandiser, assistant buyer, or whatever it is, you know, try and then you interview. But for some reason, right now, the universe isn't allowing you, you know, or that company to see your value, which is fine because things can change. So you need to my suggestion is open your universe. Don't pigeonhole yourself just in fashion. You can do merchandising for any product, right? And start opening up that options. And when you start opening things up, options and and opportunities will will come to you when you start being open to those opportunities.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

100%.

unknown 31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

110%.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

The books, yeah. I can't wait to read those. I'm gonna read those when I'm going to bed because I I I knock my ass out when I'm reading.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Yeah, I know it's hard. Well, maybe the next couple podcasts we can talk about some of the chapters in the book that you're reading. Yeah, and we can talk about it and see how you're doing and see how you can put it into your real life.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Definitely the definitely the book about confidence is something that I really want to share because there's a lot of good questions in there. One of the one of the good questions is how do you treat yourself with the secondary voice in your head?

SPEAKER_00 32:36

My secondary voice, we could have a whole we should save that for next week's podcast because my voice in my head, I sometimes I wish she would move out of my head. Like, I'm serious. Like, go find another freaking red free. Go go somewhere else. I think we should talk about our voices in our head. A lot of thought and then read the confident book first. I'm telling you, a lot of people have that issue, and I know that you do, you know, and I know I do. I have imposter syndrome. All right, everybody. Thank you for joining us for uh Laughing Through the Uncomfortable on this podcast. Hopefully, uh Jeff's conversation with recruiters and interviewing resonated with some of you. Thanks for joining us with Laughing Through the Uncomfortable. This is Julie and Jeff. All right. Well, till next time, have a great week.