Ep. 10 - How to Survive the Purge (Pt. 1) (feat. Logan McGrath)

The Purge, Scream, and The Shining- In tonight's episode of HoBoPo, Logan and I chat about our favorite horror projects and the most ridiculous parts of them. 

This podcast is likely not suitable for younger audiences.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Audi Boneheads and welcome back to another episode of Habopo. My name is Connor McGrath, I'll be your skeleton host tonight, and if the audio sounds different, well that's because I'm in a different recording setup. Again, not in the graveyard right now, and that's because we are talking to another special guest today. Uh you know him, you love him, you might know him as Rattleson, uh a voice on the streams, and occasionally a guest on the streams, uh, also known as Logan McGrath, also known as my brother. Uh, if you're watching on the members only, then you've already seen his face, so there's there's no reveal here. Um, but uh hello, Logan, would you like to introduce yourself? I already said your name.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Yes, hi, uh I'm Logan. I'm Connor's brother. Uh earliest fan of the chan m the channel, maybe besides my mom. But yeah, I've showed up a couple times on the streams, it's always fun, so I'm just excited to see what this uh today brings.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yeah, um, so Boneheads, I I know uh typically when I come into one of these episodes, I've got a theme, I've got something prepared. I didn't do that today, and I think we're just gonna have to make peace with that. But I did have a couple starting questions. Um, and I'm not worried about it because uh I think you can agree that once we uh get on a tangent, we have no trouble just talking about anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

Oh, yeah. No. I mean, those streams, like I think you at least started them off sometimes, like, alright, we're gonna try to stay away from, you know, this, this, the, and then of course they come out and we're just like, boom.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Yeah, I I remember the first time I ever had Logan on, and already we've done it. Alright, I haven't even asked my first question yet, and already we were we're on it. Um the very first time we were gonna stream, I did a little rundown with Logan. I was like, alright, just to keep things fresh and loose and cool, let's avoid talking about politics or religion or history or like whatever. And I kid you not, like 30 minutes into that stream, we're already like, yeah, so I don't really believe in Christianity and gun laws. And I it was this whole it we we we can't help ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

It was genuinely so cool though, because even the people in the chat who I'm I'm sure think differently than me, think differently than you in some ways, we're just asking general questions and not being like disrespectful. Everyone was engaging with it super well, so Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

I've um I I I'm very uh lucky with uh the the community I have, especially the community that regularly makes appearances on my streams. Um every once in a while we have a new person. Every once in a while, oh this happened on the second to last stream I did, not the Minecraft one, which by the way, I want to tell you about. I don't think you saw it.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Um I saw your Instagram story about it.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Yeah, I would that that shows a little bit of it. But um just every once in a while, you know, we have someone come on who is less familiar with the community and you know decides to ask a personal question. Someone asks me about a relationship that had ended and the way they were feeling about it, and the advice that I had to give. And I said, Oh, you know, I have a limited experience, but here's my advice. But what also happened was uh a great deal of uh uh the people in my chat also gave their uh their feedback and their experience, and they were totally understanding, and they gave really good advice and and just really good perspective. Um, and so many times I've heard people say, Connor, your chat is so nice, and I agree. It's really nice. And I I think the way that Yeah, the the way that they talk with us while we are on stream, the way they talk with me when I'm on stream, um there there is a I people going out of their way to be understanding and have, you know, I I think the word open mind gets thrown around all the time as like, just take a joke, but I mean like liter like an actual open mind, you know.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Yeah. I I feel like there was no subject we could not broach, unless, you know, if one of us went a little crazy, but yes, but no, there was nothing that we hit that was like a tough subject or anything like that. And even if we kind of went a little closer to it, everyone was super, super willing to hear that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I agree. I I think people genuinely value differing perspectives when they can be presented under reasonable uh circumstances. Um to that effect. Uh or rather, not at all to that effect. Uh this is a horror podcast. Right before we started, you were like, uh, so what's the theme gonna be? What's gonna the the topic gonna be? Again, I don't know. But I do think it's important to have a little bit of uh thematic uh a bit of a thematic through line here, so I will start with the easiest question for any horror podcast uh host to ask, Logan, what's your favorite horror movie? Is it and if it's not that simple, I understand, but it no, no, it's it's plenty simple.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Uh I really liked The Shining.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Okay. I'm I'm wearing a Stephen King shirt. You can't see it right now because you don't have uh camera for me, but I'm wearing my uh It shirt, which is actually a cool piece of trivia about the shirt. I don't know if you've I'm sure you've seen me in it, it's like one of my favorites. Um I used to work it's it's for the the book release of it. You can if I'm I'm showing the graphic on screen, it shows like the original. Before it was like the very minimalist like clown kind of thing that the book cover tends to be. Um it's the original print copy. Uh what I why am I I can only think of the word thumbnail. Um what did they call the front of a book? Oh my god. A cover? Yeah, that. Um so it's it's the cover of the original Stephen King book. And what's actually so cool is that uh I used to work at the Boulder bookstore. I can say exactly which bookstore now because you know I don't live in Boulder anymore. Um and they had a huge pile of shirts that were from original book tours. So like original merch from when a book was released, and there was a bunch of cool stuff. Um and they could be kind of expensive, but there was like um I think there for the original, there was a novel or a release of Wicked. I think that's where the musical comes from. So there was stuff from that. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. Um I can't I can't really can't think of another one right now. I think I saw a Phantom Toll booth shirt in there. That one's pretty cool. Um, but I uh literally like week one or two, I saw this uh shirt hanging in the in the fiction section. I was like, how in the world has no one bought that? And they're like, it's an extra large, no one can fit into it. I was like, I can fit into it. So I got it immediately. Um truly, like, what an excuse. Like there's no one in the like I have no idea. But this is uh the the moral of the story is this is an original shirt from um the Stephen King uh It book tour, which was my introduction to Stephen King.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

It was also mine.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah, feels like it would be. It's like a very iconic story.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Uh not the original one, and I can get into why I like the The Shining so much, but it kind of has to play into why I like The Shining. Uh on a buddy's birthday, we went down to the Stanley Hotel.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Right.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

And uh anyone who knows anything about The Shining knows that Stephen King got the idea for The Shining while staying in the Stanley Hotel. And although that movie does not take place at the Stanley, uh it's what inspired it so much. And I thought that was cool. And but that night when when we stayed there, for some reason our buddy's dad like couldn't get the movie to work because we were gonna watch The Shining. And he goes, Fuck it, we're just gonna watch it. And then we did. And it was my first experience with Stephen King, and honestly, probably one of my first experiences with horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Wait, he couldn't get it to work, and then he just said, Fuck it. Wait, I'm confused.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

The story, there's a lot of he like tried to like download the shining onto his iPad and then cast it to TV, but he did have it, but he couldn't get the shining to work for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Fuck it, we're just going to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

Yeah, I hear I hear what you're saying. IT, the movie about the clown penny.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Now I'm on the same page as you. I get ya. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

I just remember when like the the carving into the stomach scene happened, and I was not you I was not reusing.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Oh, so you're talking about the Andy Muschete, the the the it remake from 2017?

SPEAKER_02 7:55

The 2018 or 2017 one, yeah. Maybe 2016.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Somewhere in that. I don't think it's 2016. I'm pretty sure I was in ninth grade when it came out. So it was either 2017 or 2018. Yeah. I think. I I can't remember. Pretty sure it's 2017. Um I really like that version. I think the second movie. I yeah, I uh it yes. I I was gonna argue with that. It is. Um I remember when uh that movie came out, when the remake came out, dad and I sat down. I was in my early stages of being a horror fan, so like I wasn't sure yet. And we're like, we're gonna watch the original It. And then we watched it, and I was like, that was not very good. Um but uh but you know, Tim Curry is iconic as Pennywise in that and and some of the effects. Bill Scarskard. But Bill Scarskard is a truly talented horror actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in a non-horror project.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Uh he was in uh John Wick, chapter four.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

I didn't see John Wick chapter four. That's great.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

He was in that He was the Marquis.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

I believe so.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I believe I believe you. Um, but I don't again I don't what is a Marquis? Uncultured convent. Like the leader of uh I'm looking up the meaning of Marquee. You can look up.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah, it was Bill Scarzgarn. I was right, I was right. Okay, I'm glad I was right.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

I b I believe you. Um a marquee is a high-ranking European nobleman positioned in the aristocracy above a count or earl or below a duke. Oh! So he's just below my man from Resident Evil 8. Um what is it about the Shining the Duke? What is it about about the shining that is so that that you like so much? Because we we talked about it. It's it's fun. I really love the the the remake, and we can talk about that too, but The Shining.

SPEAKER_02 9:38

I I resonate with it for a couple reasons. Obviously, home state, love to see some of that. I don't know. The story behind it is cool for me. Yeah. And also I Connor could probably tell you this over some of our conversations, but I have a sort of weak stomach when it comes to horror. Like, I am far more okay with like actual gore and actual things like that comparative to movies. For some reason, movies and and games freak me the fuck out. So I get I get really queasy about it. But so that's why in The Shining, obviously there's like, you know, it's scary, and there's like jump scare stuff and and stuff like that, but it's so much more psychological.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

And I prefer I prefer that type of horror over the like a in-your-face version.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

I can totally understand that. Um The Shining I do think is something that like a little kid who really wants to get into horror will will start and kind of get bored with. But I think when you get you you need it's not experience, but I think it's just you you need to have the patience to look into what's actually happening. Um you haven't read The Shining, have you? It's a good story. I mean, iconically, like, it's one of the greatest horror novels of all time. Um, but uh the book, I actually, weirdly, dad okay, so I'm jumping all around here. Uh we share a dad, obviously. This is my brother. Um dad, uh back in the day, I and I actually still have this thing. Um, I can't go to sleep in complete silence. Shocker, right? I'm a horror guy. Um I it's not that I freak myself out anymore, but my brain just like it goes so fast, I need something to attach it to, and then that lulls me into sleep, right? So for a long time, um I listened to stand-up comedy, going to sleep, that's why I'm so fucking funny. Um sarcasm. But uh after a while, the parents for whatever reason decided they didn't like that for me. So they decided, no, you're gonna fall asleep to audiobooks. And I and they said, We have a bunch of Harry Potter audiobooks, we're gonna load that onto this iPod and give that to you. And I was like, okay, that's fine. But uh Connor Trivia here, I've read all the Harry Potter books multiple times. It was how I learned to read. I really love reading. It was uh it's something I shared with uh I share with my uh grandmother, my nana. Um and so I kind of was like not into it. And so they were like, Alright, fine. What what book would you like us to load onto your iPod that you can fall asleep to? And like the freak that was, I said, put the shining on there. Never read it. Oh what? Kind of curious about it. Um there's not a fun, interesting part to the story. I just went to bed every night being like, let's do another chapter of the shining. And it was awesome. It's a really great book. But what's so good about the book, and this is why I love reading a book before seeing a movie, and I actually even mentioned this on the last episode of the podcast when I talked to mom after we saw Project Hail Mary, um, a book that we had both read and then saw the movie for together. It was really nice, really special, and I had a lot of fun with it. But it is that a well-made movie is is especially a well-made like a well-made movie based off of a well-written book. It's hard to accomplish, but when it happens, it's awesome. But even still, the best, most well-made movie will not be able to capture every intricate detail that a book gives you.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

So I love Yeah, the book is so much longer.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Yeah, and also but also it gives you it the long the length is part of it, but the part of that length is also intricate uh read uh uh let me rephrase.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

It it you get these more descriptive of what characters are thinking of what I'm trying to make their intentions, the it's more in-depth because you can there are things a book can say that you'll never see in a movie you can't see inside inside of somebody's side unless they do that uh soliloquy or monologue, internal monologue.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Can you tell we're theater kids? Um Jack Nicholson, Shelly Duvall, they do incredibly in that movie. Um Jack Nicholson is hugely intimidating even before we get to the hotel. I mean, that's just a quality of being Jack Nicholson. And Shelly Duvall equally is um eerie but still like empathetic and uh rather sympathetic. I always get them confused.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

But the point is empathy is putting yourself in somebody's shoes, sympathy is like feeling bad for somebody.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Empathetic, I would say then. I guess it could be either. It depends on your perspective. And your example. It can be both. Yeah, exactly. Um, but the thing that I love about reading The Shining, then watching The Shining, is that you know, you you have Jack Nicholson at the typewriter having this moment, delving into the depths of his insanity, and and you get the further context for that, for how the book specifically um portrays his insanity in a literary sense. The descriptions that it gives and the ways that his sanity starts or his insanity starts to manifest in his head, you can't portray every single detail of that in a movie, but if you already have that that imagery, that pre-prepared, pre-written imagery in your head, once you see this experience, you see him at the typewriter, you get this deeper look into what actually is happening in his head or what is happening to his head might be a more accurate way of putting it. Um which is why I always tell people I I one, I like to go into stuff blind, but weirdly that's that that gets shifted when it is something that's based off a book, because then I definitely want to read the book first.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

True. And actually, to kind of pull it away from horror, you you were you were just saying that something about something in a book being adapted so perfectly into a show, it's rare. Or a show, a movie, whatever, another type of media. Yeah. And that's why I was so psyched for um I know you haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Is it gonna be Jujitsukaizen? Oh no, I was gonna say Chainsaw Man. But jujitsukaizen actually makes more sense.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

That too. Jiu Jitsu Kaisen makes more sense.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

You are obsessed with that fucking show.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

I am obsessed it's it's so I would I would be hard pressed to say it's anything other than my favorite piece of media, at least right now.

unknown 15:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Like across the bar. Books, TVs, film, games, yeah. Cool. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

Uh I I know. I read the entire manga about nine times at this point. I love this series. And uh I don't know when this episode's gonna drop, but for anyone. God willing tonight, but I kind of doubt it. Uh the last uh episode of season three uh finit wrapped up about a week and a half ago. The last part of season three dropped, and it has it is the number nine highest-rated episode in television history.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

It was with my favorite character. Anyone who knows Jujutsu Kaisen, do not do you to slander, please.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Uh I'm totally I have no idea what the hell is happening. I've seen like four or five episodes.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

But to pull it into a place where people can actually talk about it is that this part in the manga means an insanely big deal to me. Uh, not just because it's like cool or aura or cool things happening, but because when when I read it for the very first time, I was going through an unbelievably difficult time. I was just I was dealing with some really rough personal stuff, and it was just it was so d I was so devastated at the time, and I remember that this part of the manga Sendai colony was the only thing that really made me smile. So to not only see them put so much care into the thing that's so important to me, but make it perfect, I would say. 11 out of 10 perfection. Wow. And now it is being widely recognized and being uh recommended to people who or it's getting people into the show. It feels incredibly special to me, like it was almost made for me. Yeah. And that is unbelievably special to me. And I I find that I cried during the episode. Nothing like emotional happens in it, but I just I just did.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

No, that's um I actually that's that's that's really special. That's really I I I This is the thing that um, you know, we we had this little moment earlier where we were talking about how like, oh, don't talk about serious stuff, don't talk about political stuff. The reason we have that disclaimer is because Lloyd and I don't agree on everything, but the the reason I know that the reason I know we're brothers, um as though uh w there was any confusion about that. But the reason like I I think we are able to have these conversations and understand each other so well is that I completely understand that perspective. Doesn't have to I don't I've never seen Jujitsu Kazan, I've never read it. I I have seen some of it. I've I've seen I said four or five, but probably like closer to ten episodes. But either way, I completely understand the the feeling of being in this because I've oh my god, I'm 23. I've it's happened to me a bunch of times, and I'm still pretty young. Um I definitely understand being in this weird transitionar transitionary, transitory, trans uh transitional transitional, one of them. Um Headspace, something bad has happened, something just life-changing has happened. And I don't want to say latching on because I feel like that gets a bad rap, but it is kind of like tying yourself even temporarily to a a piece of fiction that just gets you through something. And um, I know I mean mine is well documented, not on this channel specifically. Um Magnus Archives actually was one for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

I was just about to ask if it was Magnus.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

No, well, I mean, yes, but that's not the big one for me. Ironically, because uh Magnus Archives is the longest-running inside joke on my channel. The fact that I try to tie everything to it because it's so great to tie to any horror fiction. Every episode. True. I mean, the system that the the framework that the Magnus Archives establishes, especially in its later seasons and the way that it organizes fear, makes it super applicable to base applicable basically any horror fiction. But no, it's the adventure zone. Specifically the balance arc.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Um after my MPAB or whatever, Mbambiab.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

What? Oh, Mabim. Is this you try to say Mabim Bam?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Yeah, Mabim.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

No, yeah, my brother, my brother named Mabim. So uh when I was in high school, I listened to Mabim Bam religiously. I also loved Monster Factory. You can tell because it was like the second video essay I ever put out on this channel.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

The final Pam.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

The Final Pam, exactly, from Fallout 4. Um, but after my first year of college, I was in this really weird spot. I had not put roots down. I did not know what I wanted out of my life. I was uh I was living at home for the f uh uh for the first time in like, you know, the better part of a year, and I was working at a Walgreens and I just I was miserable. I didn't know what I wanted with my future, I was very depressed. I was using I I was I was using weed as a crutch. This is a little bit of uh a little bit of Connor uh lore. I I I I truly I was just in a very bad mental headspace. And I finally took the plunge. I was like, man, I've heard about the Adventures in a bunch of times. It's a DD thing. I do passively like DD, but like, you know, I already watched Dimension 20, but let's just, you know, let's check it out. Let's do it. I started listening to it, and immediately. I'm talking like two to three episodes in. And this is crazy because a bunch of people like Adventure Zone doesn't really start get going until at least Arc 2, which is uh Murder on the Rockport Limited, but even then it like really doesn't really start until like Arc 4.

SPEAKER_02 21:08

But um immediately One Piece gets cut around in episode 69. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

It's kind of that thing. There's uh 69 episodes of Adventure Zone Balance, before you say it, nice. Um I think there's 69. There might be 70. There's there's like the the number kind of fluctuates depending on how you count it. But um, by the way, shout out Travis McElroy, if you happen to be uh watching. No you're a fan. Hi Travis. Hi Travis. I doubt he I doubt he does the podcast. I think he just likes the um the video essays, but point of cool hold on, actually. We have a little uh little guest star. Hi, Padme. We have a cat friend. We do have a little cat friend. I don't think you'll be able to hear. If you're interested in seeing my adorable little kitty and see her try to eat my fucking headphone cord, and she's actively trying to do it. Um she's so cute. Oh my god. Become a member. Um, that's the point I'm making. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Let me see if I can get the other one.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Yeah. So you want to introduce us to this little dog you got on screen?

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Uh, this is Rika. She's been staying with us for a little bit. This is my buddy Nick's dog. Shout out. He's been on the stream a couple times. Uh yeah. She's pretty cool. She's very jumpy. Oh yeah. But uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Very cute.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

I will say, I did get naming rights.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Very good. Oh yeah. Um, well, we we were on the topic of Jujutsu Kaisen, weren't we?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

This dog is named after a character from Jujutsu Kaisen who I very much like.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Very good.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

So and the funny thing is, we found this like super docile, super sweet dog that he adopted. And I was like, he was like, Do you want to name her? And I was like, ugh. Absolutely I want to name her. Uh so I named her after like a horrific beast. Uh a shikigami, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

A shikigami Shinigami.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Shiki.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Shikigami.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Shinigami is a god of death in Japan. A Shikigami is a summonable uh creature.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Yeah, we're not gonna be a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

But not like a yoke, yokai is a different thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

I actually is like a like a little demon creature. I really only know that because of Psylock, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Oh. I used to watch a little bit of Yokai watch.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That that was a show. I think they're basically little demon creatures, essentially.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

I also played a bit of Sekiro and um they have a lot of Yokai and ghostwise.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Do you see the anime's coming out like later? It might actually already be out. There's a Sekiro.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Uh Sekiro anime?

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Yeah. Let me look it up.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Bye, Rika.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Alright, we we're losing the dog. We'll lose the cat too.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Yeah, it's called Sekiro No Defeat.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

God, I've gotta play Sekiro. I I'm so embarrassed that I haven't beaten it. Or yeah, beaten it.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Because I have played it, but it's uh it looks like it's it's gonna be released this year, but they don't have uh release date yet.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Okay. Sounds fun. It gives me at least time to get through it, but I've got a bunch of other stuff. Dude, Tomodachi Life is coming out on the Switch in in like a week. I'm going to lose my mind. I f when I was younger, I loved Tomodachi Life.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Connor and I were obsessed with this game.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

I love you were you I think you cut out for a second. You were also obsessed with it?

SPEAKER_02 24:19

Oh my god. So I have Rocket Money, which this is not a sponsorship. This is not a sponsorship, but it really does help with this sounds like a sponsorship, but it helps with budgeting, but I put like basically a goal for like, oh, I want 70 bucks by this day, because specifically I need I need Tobonacci Life living the dream.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

It's gonna be so fun.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

The other day I just hit the goal, so I pre-order I don't really pre-order games typically, but I I kinda have faith that this will be alright.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

I need to play the demo, because if you play the demo, you get a hamster concert. I refuse hamster costume.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

I refuse to play the demo. Why? Because I I want to get the full experience.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Like Poofizer, the way I go watch the movies.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Yeah, exactly. Uh but Poofizer, he's this guy that I watch on on YouTube. Okay. Poof Fesher. It's it's Professor, but Poof. Poof Fisher.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Um Poofresher then? Alright.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

He's the guy who started the whole beef boss thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Little shout out. I don't know what that means. What's a beef boss?

SPEAKER_02 25:19

It's a me. It looks like a burger.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Oh wait. Uh but Yeah. But in any case, he started playing that series and it has a ton of views because he was he played the original Tomodachi Life on his on his channel. Uh don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Okay, I don't I didn't see anything.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

No, there's a huge like piano music just burst through my door. Yeah. But he he's been play he's been playing the original Tomodachi Life series, and so is like Lauren Z side and all these other creators that I followed for a while. Uh, and I am refusing to watch it. I am refusing. Because I when that fucking game comes out, that's shit it. I'm not talking to my girlfriend for a month.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Tomodachi's such a casual game.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

I I love that game.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

No, I'm not playing for it.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

I I have watched a Nintendo trailer for it, and they do like show that you like you can like artificially make care play people meet now. And I'm like, oh my god, that was one of my least I hated the fact that you couldn't do that.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

I'm gonna make my I'm gonna make my girlfriend in this room, and I'm gonna make myself in this room, and then down the line it would be like my girlfriend has a romantic feeling for someone, and then it's like I think I'm in love with your roommate, and I'm like, Tomodachi, life, why you cause it?

SPEAKER_02 26:41

I just remember when I when I made when I played well that was part of the deal, is like watched the drama unfold or whatever. I remember I made I made my myself, like my ex-girlfriend, and like later on in the island I created an alternative.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Wait, were you dating at the time? Yes, I were dating at the time. You meant you had already break it up and made your ex-girlfriend to bully them like this?

SPEAKER_02 27:02

No, no, this was years ago. This is years ago.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

That's funny.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Um no, but I will be making my girlfriend like first thing. Oh yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

I make everyone in my friend group, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Yeah, so in any case, I I remember I made my ex-girlfriend at the time, no longer, in my Tomanaji life world, and I also made our dogs as like human beings, and I remember the like the love symbol comes in her apartment window. I go, oh, let's go! And she goes, I'm in love with Fenway, and I'm like, No, what? That's weird, bro.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Fenway is our long uh gone yellow lab, uh golden lab, whatever he was. Pretty sure he was a yellow lab.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Yellow Labrador Retriever.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah, he uh he was a good boy, but that is very funny. That is very funny. Um anyway, oh dude, I didn't even finish the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Like weird No, I remember I'm glad that you could like separate like, oh, what are their affiliations to you? Like mom or dad? Because if like if I was somebody like, I want to get with mom, I'd be like, No, don't do that, bro.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

But there are still things where like I think um I heard that the new Tomodachi Life is going to be this is not a horror podcast today, we're finding out.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

You can be gay, I think that's your four. That's where you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Well, no, you can be gay, but I heard it was just completely uncensored. Like, they'll allow swears in it, they'll allow you to talk about um Okay, like inappropriate topics, which fucking thank you, Nintendo.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

I I know this because I have a buddy who in this is uh fucking bad story.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

But in in a Pokemon game, he tried to make him his name his Pikachu like, I don't know, something something ridiculous. For the sake of the argument, let's just say like he tried to name the Pikachu like Epstein or something like that. I don't know. And and they were like, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

They have wait, I'm sure it isn't that. But do they have restrictions for the name Epstein? That can't be right. Uh at this point. They probably don't. Truthfully, they probably don't. It's it is a real last name.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

But like like, okay, fine. Hitler. They probably won't they probably won't let Hitler do it.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

They probably wouldn't let uh Hitler. But in Tomodachi's life, apparently living the dream, he has a couple Miis. Like, he's really into history, so he actually has an island like that he's trying to set up of just like all historical figures. And he was like, I'd put some crazy ones in there, and like they're gonna be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

They're telling me this man has Hitler on his Tomodachi Island.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

He probably has Stalin. Oh god. Uh dude like Mao Zedong.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

People are freaks. But that okay, but you know what? It's like that's part of the the appeal. It's like The Sims, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Yeah, you're a terrorist.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Here, I'll make yeah, I'll make I'll make this back to a horror podcast briefly. Um I uh actually recently in a video, my most recent, actually no, second most recent uh video I say at this point, I talked about Doki Doki Literature Club. Uh my first year of college, before I got really depressed and went home and got really invested in Adventure Zone Balance, that's the tide of the story. I guess I didn't really have an ending for it anyway. Um I I did very terrible things in The Sims, and one of my favorite I truly like mad scientist shit. One of my I So I would always cast myself as an evil mad scientist. I was the villain because it only felt fair because real world Connor was being the villain and designing the setup in the first place. But I would always My favorite I ever did was I set up uh a house where there was like two layers to it. There was an entire exterior period where like I, Connor McGrath, the evil mad scientist, could walk in and out, you know, pay my bills, take out the trash, do all the stuff that's necessary to keep a house functioning in The Sims. But then there was an interior area where uh I set like a bunch of fridges, a bunch of garbage cans that I could like find a way to access, like in a way that still would block them off. But there were seven Natsukis. You know Natsuki?

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Or Natsuki, maybe is how you pronounce it? I know the dude I know the DDLC characters, trust me.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

There were seven Natsukis inside this part of the house. They had no exits, there were seven computers, and I get they all they were allowed to do was write, you know, D D DLC. It's like poetry.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

So there is Did you hate the characters? No. Or did you hate Natsuki?

SPEAKER_00 31:23

I no, I didn't. I just I was just like, what if you trapped seven Natsukis in a small living space together, basically army barracks, like caught. There was a mini fridge.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Also, if you know the lord of DLC, hiding her behind fridges is fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

Hmm?

SPEAKER_02 31:42

If you know the lore of D DLC, you know that hiding her behind the fridges was fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Why is that fucked up? Because it what? Because she's she doesn't eat very much?

SPEAKER_02 31:50

Uh no, she was being starved by her dad.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Oh, well right. Yeah, no, that plot point is weird. Um It is. Okay, here's a question for you. Cause actually, this we can make it a little bit more horror oriented. Horror-oriented. Um Do you think that the stuff with Natsuki's dad, and for and you know, later, like, I'll I'll I'll put it out blatantly, trigger warning, but um, Yuri's cutting issues. Um, do you think that that stuff was originally a part of those characters' personality and or backstory? Or was that Monica's influence taking like, oh, maybe Natsuki's dad's a little restrictive, and maybe Yuri's into dark stuff and really blowing it out of proportion? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

So Dan Salvado, the guy who created the game, he has talked about like the progression of characters through Monica's, you know, influence, and he's never been a hundred percent on what was uh like what did Monica change versus what was implied for the characters. I truly I truly believe that um Yuri maybe had the potential to be, you know, self-harming. Uh there was a chance that Natsuki's dad was, you know, physically abusive. Like when she says that line, like, my dad would beat the shit out of me if he found this manga in a manga.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

Again, act two, when we are already seeing that influence, though.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

So, or and Sayori actually uh suicidal. What I will say is that I think that all of those characters had tendencies that were negative, like anyone, prior to Monica's influence, and Monica was the one who pushed it over the edge. For Natsuki's character specifically, I would say probably it was Monica's 100% influence that led to that. Uh, because other characters, you see bruises, you see cuts, and things like that. Natsuki never really showed any of that. I think it was just supposed to be a way to separate the player from Natsuki. Sure. Because Sayori already displayed, you know, what the fuck? Uh depressive tendencies, you know, not being able to get out of bed on time, mistaking like love for friendship. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

She was displaying vice versa, whatever it was.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Yeah, exactly. But she was displaying like really, you know, things that could be attached to the real world version of depression. Which I think was 100% the point. But it was Monica's influence that pushed her over the edge. Yeah. I I think that Yuri was the exact same way. Probably a disturbed girl, liked some darker stuff. And then it was Monica's influence that made her so uh I wouldn't say suicide ideal idealization because that was or ideation. Yeah, suicidal ideation. Yeah. Until that was I think that's 100% Monica. Um, but like the way that she started thinking about Um self-harming, yeah, definitely put like a warning or whatever over this, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

I mean, it's a horror podcast. Like I've talked about some pretty crazy stuff already on here.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

Um But the self-harm that she sorry, sorry. No, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Um Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

The self- the self-harm that she did to herself, it seems so unlike her character, which is making it.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Are we talking about Natsuki or Yuri right now?

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Yuri now. Okay. Uh is that Yuri was into, you know, that one book that like dealt with like the religious camp and all the really fucked up shit within it. And the the what was it?

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Portrait of Markov.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Yeah, yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Uh I just had to do another replay and research.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Nice. Um, but she clearly had an a I an eye for the dark. I interest in the dark. And you know, unfortunately. Yes. When people self-harm, there's many, many reasons for it, but it seemed like she started to do it out of a in a way that felt so influenced by Monica to just make the player concerned rather than like her. So it because Yuri wasn't like, oh, they hate me or anything like that. She was taking active, strange pleasure out of it, and you know, in a way that did not fit her character in the same way that Natsuki's changed, not fit her character, in the way that Sayori's did not fit her character. They all expressed certain tendencies about themselves. Natsuki being a little bit more aggressive, Sayori clearly having a little bit of depression, and um Yuri, you know, being so interested in the macabre, like you said. But it was Monica's influence that just shoved them to the worst versions of that.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

It's interesting you say that, because th one of the ways you you framed it was that it's out of character the way they developed. I don't it it and and yes, to to to the point of this is not how they would behave under regular circumstances as the characters they were written to be. A hundred percent. But I do think that the the way that we see their features exaggerated down the line is um in line. So uh beyond just like Natsuki being aggressive, part of of of her character is her fascination, or I don't know if what the right word is, or the the the way that she approaches like innocence and cuteness and like very like young femininity. Um and the way that that um she has such an aversion to being seen as like less than because of it, and yet she still has those qualities. I think that in that way you could see the progression of her father becoming this hugely abusive, domineering character in act two is maybe potentially because her relationship with her father is so protective in act one, like the initial relationship as would have been presented to us, is that he's just so protective of this archetypally small, vulnerable character that he becomes oppressive in the way he tries to protect, and then that oppressiveness is shoved into abusiveness in act two. And I think the same thing can be said for you know, you you laid it out very clearly for Sayori, but for Yuri, I think it's really interesting that it's like beyond just being like Eerie and into the macabre, I think that she really values maturity and control. And I I think the control element is really interesting because she is one of the only people who in act two, like, truly does stand up to Monica. Natsuki notices something's happening and tries to communicate it to the player, which is interesting. But Yuri is the only one who says, Monica, frankly, I want this time with the player, leave us alone.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

And I think And then it immediately cuts off.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

Right, yeah, and that's Monica's interest, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Reaches through the screen. It's it's such a well-written game, and I seriously praise Dan Salvado. I really hope he does something new.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Allegedly, there's a few more horror games that they're working on. You you can look at his website. There's a bunch of unnamed stuff where it's just like, we're working on it, we'll find out. But yeah, I yeah, go look at it if you want to.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Yeah, everything that's released right now, a Team Salvado. What's up? What's up, Rika? We got the dog back.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Nah, she's just she's am I correct in remembering that originally Salvado was like a Super Smash Bros. mod or something like that? Like he had something like that.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

It was like it was like on the it was like on the Reddit, like Super Smash Bros. mod or something like that. Uh Renity Forge that's it is. But he him and his team just seems like they just fucking Yeah, I wonder how big his team is.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

And that might also um help him out with uh making new stuff down the line. But the original game is in the RenPy engine, which is a hugely user-friendly engine. It's where like most uh visual novels are written and designed. Yeah. And it's very accessible to indie creators.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

It seems like he also helped, he's not attributed on the page, but he also helped with MySide, if you've ever heard of that.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

No, I talked about it. I talked about MySide in the. Oh, he worked on Slay the Princess?

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Mm-hmm. Wait, he was on both sides.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Wait, these wait, this is huge information. Because I talked about MySide in my Doki Doki Literature Club video because they're very similar in their um in their narratives. Slay the Princess, though. It's it make yeah. Uh by the way, Jonathan Sims, Magnus Archives. Uh very necessary reference. Do you know that? You know that. You know that. That's not a surprise to you. Um Do you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_02 40:02

No. Really? You know, it's Okay, you want you want me to blow your mind?

SPEAKER_00 40:05

You want me to blow your mind?

SPEAKER_02 40:06

I've never listened to the Magnus Archives.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

But have you ever you've played Slay the Spire?

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Uh Slay the Spire or Slay the Princess?

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Slay the Princess.

unknown 40:13

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

You've played that? You know you know every voice in Slay the Spire except for the princess? The narrator, the doubt, like all that.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All the voices of the other main character, like the Jonathan Sims.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

That's the main guy from the Magnus Archives. That's neat. So Jonathan this is the part that confuses people. Jonathan Sims is his real name, and the character's name in the Magnus Archives is also Jonathan Sims. So I don't know why they did that. Because all the other characters are named after.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Let's see what else he's done. Oh, he's doing a bunch of stuff. He's he's really talented.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Stop. Jonathan Sims.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Stop.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Stop.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

She she does a thing where she like pushes my hand with her nose.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Oh, my cat does that too.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Uh let's see. Acting.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

I bet there's not much acting. It's probably mostly voice acting. Oh, he was in like a very famous musical or like topical band.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Not topical, um, he was mostly a narrator for performances like the Odyssey and King Arthur.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

He has a great voice. I mean, it works so well.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Sims was cast as the voice of the narrator and the voices in your head for the acclaimed indie game slay the princess. Uh a Kickstarter campaign to run for the sequel. The Magnus Archives called the Madness Protocol. They their goal was fifteen fifteen thousand pounds, and they raised seven hundred and eighteen thousand pounds.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

Let's go into horror heads.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

That's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

The Magnus Archive, dude I c by the way, dude, I've recommended it to you out of out outside of stream like a bunch of times already, but you gotta listen to the Magnus Archives. It is top-tier horror, and it will terrify you. Especially you. It'll actually it'll really work on you.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Maybe. Uh Sims Boys B rolls. Um, here we go, here we go. This is what I was looking for.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

Jonathan Sims as Jonathan Sims, not as himself, because Jonathan Sims in the Magnus Archives is not Jonathan Sims regular prime.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

Looks like he was on the Magnus Archives, the Magnus Protocol. He was a writer for Doctor Who What? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

Wait, what? What?

SPEAKER_02 42:20

Oh, a Doctor Who podcast. Doctor Who podcast.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Okay. I was about I was I was gonna go crazy. I was like, how the fuck did I not know that?

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Uh Play the Princess.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

Yeah, just it just seems like the the stuff that you know about, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Mostly like indie horror projects. Slay the Princess, obviously great. I actually haven't finished it. I need to.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Um You haven't finished it? Oh man. It's a big game.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Really big game. Um yeah. I've played a good amount of games.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

Back when it was free, I played it actually.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Oh, when it was like in a early alpha or whatever they call it. Yeah. That's fun.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Well, no, I got insane. Like, they were like, oh, if you get the game for free, like when it fully releases, you'll keep it for free. So I still have it on my Switch.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Hey, that's cool. I remember Markiplier playing that game so long ago.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

I know, dude. He was one of the first people to actually like play Stop! Yes, dog. She just pulled my chords off my desk.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Pets man.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Anyways. Yeah. She's such a uh attention seeker.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Well, she's uh she is a a new addition to uh to Nick's life, so I'm sure she's trying to to to to figure out what her environment looks like.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Uh so I was just curious in the time that you were away for a second. Uh I went on Tumblr for the very first time in my life. In your life? I've never been on Tumblr, no.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Oh my god, I was raised on Tumblr in middle school.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Or, like, I remember I only learned about Deviant Art like through call me Carson. And I never went on it. I just learned about it through him. Never went on it. Uh Tumblr it was always Reddit. Reddit was always my thing.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

I got into Reddit way later in my life, which is good because I would have been that that place would have been bad for me when I was younger. But no, dude, I loved Tumblr growing up.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Well, I just found some questions. That like are like fun.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

They're kind of um you lick up conversation starters on time.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

Like horror themed conversation starters? But they're like actually good, though. Alright, let's do it. Are you gonna ask me? So uh yeah, and we can just talk about it and like we can kind of do a bounce back sort of thing. Sorry to take over your podcast. No, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

I I love the I love being interviewed. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

Alright. So it literally is just a list of questions, and some of these are really, really good. Okay. One of those is just schizophrenia, but um Okay. Number one, uh, do you believe in aliens?

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Uh yeah. I'll say yes. Um, I don't I I won't say so definitively. This is one of the things the things I found on Reddit is that if you go on to certain uh subreddits like conspiracy theories, high strangeness, um there's a bunch of other ones. Uh you find truly, like you you mentioned schizophrenia, I don't like to throw that word around, but um people who do not have a solid grasp on reality as it has been accepted. Well, maybe these people are right. That's what fringe theory does for you. But um I don't know if I believe that aliens are like on Earth. Maybe. It's possible.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

I don't believe they're on Earth. Yeah. I think with even even as like my cat's here. Christian guy, you know, believe that you know we're the uh Christian disclaimer. I don't I don't think it yeah. I don't think that it is impossible that God could not create other people. Uh we have a an unfathomably large universe. To say that we are the only ones or to to make the the stark claim like we are the only ones feels sort of like I don't know, like very self-centered.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

How could you know?

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Yeah, how could you?

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Well yeah, beyond that, it's just like that's a very bold claim to make. Uh and you know, I I think I this is a weird way of framing it. I think I basically have an agnostic perspective on aliens in kind of the same way that I do with like most most spiritualities and religions, which is just like show me it and I'll believe in and I'll love it.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

But otherwise, do you believe in ghosts or spirits?

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Less so than I believe in aliens. I'll tell you that much. I want to, truly, I would love to believe in ghosts, but I can't force myself to. I love the idea of it. When I was younger, I really believed in ghosts. I don't know if you remember this, but I used to believe I was being haunted by ghosts that we called cat eyes for a very long time as a couple of years. I remember this. I can tell this story if you're interested.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Um if you'd like to.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Yeah, I'll tell. I'll do it fast. Um, and I'm not gonna use the names, but you remember my like childhood best friend, you know?

SPEAKER_02 46:37

C, right?

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Yes, yes. Yes. Um he and I used to hang out all the time. One time we used a Ouija board. We fucked- I don't actually fuck with Ouija boards anymore. Just just out of safety, just for safety reasons. Okay, my cat's about to become an asshole idiot. So come here.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Come here.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

If I don't give her express permission, she's gonna knock a bunch of shit. What are you doing? Come on! Do you wanna get up or not? Oh my god, she's so weird. Okay. Alright, hold on, I'm just gonna grab her.

unknown 47:08

Get here.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

And yep, that's what I knew was gonna happen. Okay. Hi, baby. Uh, okay, so anyway, uh he and I used a Ouija board in his basement. I don't use Ouija boards anymore, just out of just out of precaution. I don't know if I believe in it, but I don't wanna tempt the fates. Um Fair enough. Right, but in that time we were contacted by a man who said he was killed in the woods near C's house, and um yeah, there's famously that little stretch of forest. Not like very much, like a very small amount near C's house, and he died there, and then he came back to life, and he was evil, and there was these rocks that he needed us to find. This was truly just Ghost was really adept. This this was a kid with an active imagination who really wanted his life to be special. That's the way I frame it now. But I believe, like, I believed it for a really long time. And I've I've actually talked in uh the couple videos I've made about ghosts that like I have weird memories as a kid. The biggest one is going into the uh being woken up by like a weird light in my room, seeing someone dart out the door. Um we may have feedback from my girlfriend in the background of this audio. Um walking to the parents' room and seeing a photo album float off their shelf and fly onto the ground. Um yeah, weird memory of mine. Harry Potter. Huh? Oh Harry Potter. Yeah, very much uh Dobby with the cake. But um again, I I imagine that is mostly just having a hyperactive imagination as a child. I would love to believe in ghosts. Do you? You're Christian, so the Holy Ghost.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

No, I don't Well, no, that's the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost or whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_00 48:43

That is one ghost you're done. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Um it it's it's different. When I think when when people say do you believe in ghosts, they mean people have died, their spirit returned. No, I don't believe in that. I do believe in the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

But that's kind of a different thing than a quote of a ghost, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

It's a different thing. It's a different thing. Um but no, it's I mean it's good to differentiate the two. Uh which urban legend scares you the most?

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Scares me the most?

SPEAKER_02 49:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

The fun thing about Urban Legends is that um a lot of them are very uh what's the word I'm looking for? They're based on where you are.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

Yeah, Jersey Devil, Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Yeah, Jersey Devil, the the Mothman that's that's uh uh Point Pleasant, uh, West Virginia. Um like they're all they're all over the place. Bigfoot is kind of like. The Pacific Northwest. In the south, you get like the Chupacabra, but that's that's actually Mexico, but like that's in the same general region as like New Mexico and all that stuff. Tejas and all that. Tejas. There's a bunch of stuff like that. Colorado doesn't actually have like very specific my favorite horse. Well, you uh well that's you're talking about Blucifer? Bluecifer, yeah. That's not an Urban legend, though. I guess it kind of is.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

But that was it's well, I mean the story.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

I do love Blucifer.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Yeah, Blue. The story is more infamous than the like the But that's a true story.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Like that's a real thing that happened.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

It did happen.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

If you don't know about this, um Blucifer is this giant statue just outside of DIA Um Denver International Airport. Yeah. Um it's a giant blue horse. I think it has to do with the Broncos. Uh or maybe not the Broncos, but like maybe the Broncos have to do with it. Either way, we got horses in Colorado. That's probably what it really has anything to do with. But it's a giant blue horse, it's got terrifying glowing red eyes. They they glow every like five or six seconds. Um, and the original artist who was creating it died because part of it fell on him and killed him, and then his son finished making it. It's kind of a morbid piece of trivia about Colorado. We all we everyone in Colorado who's lived here for long enough loves Blue Sufer. It's it's sick. Yeah. Um it's not even called Blucifer, that's just what we call it.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

It's called Blue Mustang, technically. But the horse is to symbolize the wild, untamed spirit of the American West and to act as a guardian for travelers at Denver International Airport. That's a guardian.

SPEAKER_00 51:06

Yeah, it's more of a um Oh god, I can never find the words when I'm looking for it. Uh uh. What's that word? An omen. More of an omen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

It's a 32-foot-tall nine-stat sculpture.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

It has it literally has like LEDs in its eyes that make it glow bright red.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Yeah. And famously killed a guy. Like that that famously killed his crazy. That is what makes it so dark. It actually genuinely did kill a person. Yeah, protecting us uh people at DIA. Guess that artist was a huge threat to travelers in one of the biggest airports in America. Um, which by the way, apparently, DIA, home of the Illuminati, we got a bunch of weird gargoyles there. We go to that airport two or four times a year. Um it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

It used to be stranger, but then they recently renovated it, and it looks a lot more just like a fucking airport at this point.

SPEAKER_00 51:57

You want to know a cute piece of trivia? Hmm. The uh it's got white, like paneled flooring that kind of has like glittery bits in it. You know what that's meant to represent? You know this?

SPEAKER_02 52:06

No, I don't know this.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

Um the little glittery it's meant to represent um fresh snow.

SPEAKER_02 52:11

Oh, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

Which Colorado used to get, except for this hot ass fucking winter where it snowed one time, basically.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

It is 55 degrees where I am.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

God. That's actually not so bad. Uh where I am, it's 63, which is also not so bad, but still it's early April. Sometimes it snows in early April here, so that's weird. Um So to the way earlier point, no, I don't really believe in ghosts. But Urban Okay, the Urban Legend that I probably find the scariest is and sc I don't find it scary, but I think it's the most intimidating. The Mothman is very creepy in the way that he is meant to represent, like, an incoming disaster or tragedy. That's pretty ominous. I think that's cool. I also think his design is very evocative and very scary. Um I don't know, like when I was young, I don't know if this counts. This is more like internet horror in my book, but I used to be really afraid of Slenderman. And then I got interested in him, and then eventually I found him lame because that's what happens when you breach out of creepypasta into like larger horror, but um I used to be terrified of him. Again, because of my interactions with C, who showed me all my scary stuff growing up.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

I remember.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

My my biggest, I guess, Urban Legends Scared one. I just remember it as a kid hearing the concept from like a documentary mom was watching. But Chupacabra. Well the child it was it was it was purely because like Chupacabra, for those who don't know, it like literally turned like to go sucker or something like that. It would basically drain the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_00 53:41

That is exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

Yeah. And it was just for some reason, it was maybe the art that they specifically chose for the Chupacabra, but something about it just kind of was like, I don't like the eerie or like the the surreal. And the way that they depicted the Chupacabra. In this documentary. In this documentary. I can't I couldn't tell you what it was, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

No, it's on it's probably on um. No, what was uh what it what what it used to do NotGeo? No, not NotGeo. Um the History Channel. The History Channel used to show insane. I and I know this because this was something I kept became exposed to when we had DirecTV. But the The History Channel used to show insane stuff between the hours of like 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. Like that's where ancient aliens come from. Like the dude with the crazy hair who's got aliens. That was the meme. You remember that? That was History Channel. Yeah, I'm gonna send you this meme right now. I'm gonna text it to you. Okay. You're gonna know exactly what I'm talking about. Okay. You've seen this guy. But anyway, so I'm actually curious, because the Chupacabra, in my experience, has been depicted, like, weirdly in so many different ways, especially as an urban legend. Like, it's the one that has like I've seen him look fully like an alien and fully like like a like just like a little fox thing. Like, how did how did you see it look like? What did it look like in your documentary?

SPEAKER_02 54:59

It was a biped, uh with It was like a long face that was sort of animalistic. Like, I all the pictures I'm seeing make it like its face look like a bat, but that's not what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_00 55:14

What are you looking at?

SPEAKER_02 55:16

I found a really fucking weird.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

By the way, for those of you who are curious what I'm talking about, it's this meme. I'm about to send it to Logan, he can't see my camera. But I think my camera would freaking focus. It's this meme. I I uh for a lot of you, you're not gonna need god, my camera will not focus.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

I sent it to you on Discord, but this is more, I think, what was in line with what I was scared of, because it's so surreal and so weird.

SPEAKER_00 55:40

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

But that was what its head looked like.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

This is crazy. Um okay, I'm gonna look at what you sent me on Discord real quick. Actually, I'll do it on my phone just in case. And then Oh wait. This is not at all what I was expecting. It actually looks like a the way that I see werewolves depicted sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

Yeah, well, like it lycanthropy is depicted with that a lot, with the long sound, the closer together eyes.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

It looks like I don't know. The picture that I'm seeing looks a lot like um Professor Lupin in Prisoner of Ask Man. We keep coming back to Harry Potter somehow.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

Maybe, but that oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Something about its eyes being so close together and its its lips looking a little too human. That sort of shit I do not fuck with. Like that shit.

SPEAKER_00 56:30

So the kind of the uncanniness of it, huh?

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Yeah, the uncanny. I the uncanny value is probably my biggest uh untangible fear.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

It really used to it real that really used to hit me. I've I don't know if I've told this story before. Um I'm gonna tell it real quick. I have since seen this movie. It is very mid. But the first time I saw the trailer for the very first purge movie, I got confused. Well, here's what I'm gonna say. I got confused. I didn't really know what I was looking at because I saw it with I saw it at like a Super Bowl party with all the audio off. And I saw basically what I saw was what looked like ring camera footage before ring cameras were even out of a bunch of people in very weird smiley masks looking at a camera. If you've ever seen The Purge, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Or if you've ever seen the trailer.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

I breaks in, Art breaks, and he's let in, and then they all start like, you know, You're coming into murder.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

The purge in itself has a movie, fascinating concept, executed in a way.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

Like, I don't know. It's kind of like the subsequent one was worse.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Yeah, yeah. I've seen I think the first three movies, and I know there's like a show or like there's a bunch of stuff that happened.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

It was okay. The show's okay.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

I'd check it out. I don't know. I don't hate the purge, I don't have any beef with it, but like I just think it's kind of basic. But when I was a kid, I saw those people with the masks. There's like three of them or something like that. And for whatever reason, my my little kid brain, I think I was probably like 10, maybe. Maybe a little older than that, even. I also had I'll get to that in a second. It did not register the fact that those were masks. It looked at those characters on the screen and was like, those are their faces. And Uncanny Valley kicked in really hard, and I had nightmares. True, like, and I don't dream anymore. So this is very weird for me. I don't know why I don't dream anymore. I have some theories, but I um I had several nightmares about those dudes just showing up. Because again, like if if you are imagining that these are their faces, that's pretty spooky. Obviously, they aren't. Like, if I the one of the purge's favorite things is masks. They love masks. Like the people who write the purge. They love a mask. They love to make it vaguely American too, which I guess is part of the.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

I think there are elements of the project.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

I mean, the purge has become culturally iconic in America, at least. Like we we see it referenced all the time in other pieces of media now. Like, what if there was a night every year where people where crime was legal? That's an interesting concept, and it's basic enough that you can adapt it in a bunch of different ways. Quite in the same way that Battle Royale was originally like a Japanese horror film that became It was really, really like I actually watched a little bit of it. Yeah, my girlfriend was watching it recently.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Pretty it's like brutal and not supposed to be like It's about kids. It's a competition.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

Yeah. The Hunger Games made it, you know, young adult romantic fiction. It did it does what dystopian novels of that era was gonna do. And like I don't mind it. I used to have more beef with it. I don't mind it. Young adult fiction is just not. Yeah, it it felt look, I used to be very critical of young adult fiction because I grew out of my stage of liking young adult fiction, being like, oh, this isn't but you know something I've realized over time is that, hey dude, kids gotta have an entry point. Younger people gotta have an entry point into whatever genre they're into, which is why like Luigi's Mansion is such a sick game because it's actually my roommate's playing it right now. It's a pretty great horror game. Like, it captures like Resident Evil vibes without having to be terrifying. There's six camera stuff, the way the progression works, where you go back from room to room, and if you're you know you can trophy hunt and that's fun, and but you can also just play it as a straight-up narrative experience. It's basically Resident Evil for little kids. And I love that. I think that's great. I think that's what a lot of young adult fiction was. I just didn't use to like the Hunger Games. But Battle Royale and stuff like the purge, it became greater than its actual own narrative. It became this much larger thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

Like it started to become an actual question. Like, or I I've talked to friends where they're like, Oh, if the purge was real, like what would you do? Like, how would you do something? And I'm like, oh, have you seen the movie? And they're like, No. I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:49

Because it's so funny. Every time someone's like, if the purge was real, what would you do? And the basic answer that so many people give is like I just start killing people. But like Who the fuck are you hanging out? It's so boring. But I don't know, like, every time someone depicts uh it's not people I'm hanging out with, more so, it's anytime a purge reference is depicted, it's all about people just murdering each other for free. But truthfully, dude, and I think you could probably back me up on this, if the purge happened, I would just steal a bunch of stuff that's really expensive that I can't afford right now. I would get a bunch of computer upgrades. I'd buy a I'd steal a car. Like, that's all I do. I don't need to kill people. It's kind of a weird morality argument.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:29

It's on the 13th of March, which uh Is it literally? It is. Uh but um because you know beware the eyes of March. No, I know. Yeah. Julia season. Um So I'm like, alright, it's in the middle of a month, so I couldn't like do like rent fraud or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

I will say, it's in the middle of the month where I am arguably the most depressed.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

Yeah. So like I couldn't commit rent fraud because I think that anyone who lives in an apartment or anything like that who's like not making the most amount of money would be like, oh, if the purge is real, I just wouldn't pay my rent or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

That's fine. Well, you know, college humans.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

I mean it's not illegal, it's not illegal to not pay your rent, you'll just get kicked out.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Yeah, and that's that's also the thing about rent, is like basically every apartment complex I've ever lived in, they don't kick you out the day you fail to pay rent. They kick you out like a week or two after.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:14

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

But either way, uh real genuinely? Oh, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Genuinely, because we're kind of on it at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

If the purge were real, like I'd probably do what most people do, which is just kind of hunker down and wait for it to be over.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Yeah, if I if I was but let's let's say for the sake of the argument, we weren't just like at like shotgun at your door just in case.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

Like Which is the smartest way to approach the purge. Which is the smartest way to do it. Yeah. But if you if you weren't doing that, I guess I would just get groceries for free.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like they the there's always in the movies, there's such a stark difference. It's the people who stay at home and the people who go out and murder people. There's no in-between. There's no guy who goes out and gets groceries for free. Even though I think that's a good thing. I truthfully, I think if the purge actually happened, there there would be people who go out and murder people because people sometimes are evil. But like, truthfully, I genuinely think, and this might be my own like political perspective, we don't have to get into this. I genuinely think there would be groups that form that specifically go out of it would just become like a a holiday of of freedom, instead of it literally being like, let's go out and murder people. It would be a day of like, alright, we as a collective group are going to go to a grocery store and systematically feed our own individual community. Like there would it would become a much more nuanced kind of event, I figure.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

I think I think the purge would be mostly consisted of revenge.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:49

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:49

There would be a lot of that and stealing. There would absolutely be those fuckers who are going to be able to do that. People will die.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

People will die.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:56

There will be there will be those fuckers who go out with a with a rifle and just like, hey, that's a random person. Yeah, but that's I had I have full reason to believe that if the the purge were real, the amount of people who would be scared or the amount of people who don't have any desire to murder people. I there's there was an interesting thing they said in one of the movies where they said, Do you know that you want to kill somebody until you're given the free pass to?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:23

It's interest it is an interesting idea. But here's here's the part that I that the purge movies never really address. And I've seen uh other people have made this observation, so like this is not unique, but like what does the day after the purge look like? Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

Oh, does it make sure the Forever Purge did with a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

Really? Uh I don't know if I got to that one. I think I got to Purge One Two and then like Purge America or whatever they called it. Something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

What they showed in that movie is like until the Forever Purge is basically about these people who are like, oh, we want the purge to go on forever and no laws in the world. That's just called anarchy.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

That's literally just called anarchy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

Well, they wore the A. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

They love that kind of symbolism in the Purge movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

They do. But they started they just started killing people after the purge, and then when the cops came in to fight them, they were like, You know what they are?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

They're the sovereign citizens of the purge universe.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

They're the sovereign citizens. Exactly. I know my rights. I'm not driving.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

They're all Brandon Lee Mulligans. By the way, Brandon Lee Mulligan made a random appearance on the Ted Show. Just makes me laugh. I feel the reference weird. Anyway, but here's my thing. And I think maybe you're getting to this. I I don't know, but you watch your neighbor kill a bunch of people, right? It's the purge, it's illegal, it's fine. Yeah, and the purge, they love to make it brutal. These people are so like the the core concept behind the purge is the idea that what if literally one in two people were violent sociopaths? Which is just not accurate. But that's what the purge wants you to believe. But anyway, let's let's ride with that for a second. You watch your neighbor go out, guillotine a bunch of innocent people, ram a fucking car into a car with a giant pike on it. For some reason, into a guy and whatever. And they comes home and purge ends. For some reason. Yeah, there's a bunch of shit. They it's good imagery. Like it, they they're doing what they have to do to keep getting purge movies. Clearly it works. People keep watching. But you know, it's a core the concept in itself is interesting. But either way. It's Blumhouse, though. So well, there you go. Your neighbor comes home, the purge is ended, and then you j what? Do you just live okay, and to that point, further on. Our government, the American government, I know we have some viewers who are not necessarily from America, good for you. But um Our government, we live in a surveillance state. Like, truthfully call it uh believe what you want about the politics about it. No, okay, we've got a dog issue. My dog is ripping something out of my arm. Surveillance state. Oh yeah, so anyway, the point is, we're in a surveillance state. Do you truth and that actually no, I'll actually posit this as a question more than a Connor statement. I'll actually ask you this. Okay. Do you believe if our American government, and let's not even make it like our like, let's make it vaguer than the people who are actually in power right now, because that's its own can of worms, if the general concept of the American government actually did allow a purge to happen, do you not agree that after the purge happened, they would still keep tabs on the people who were especially violent? Like the people. It wouldn't really be completely.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

When somebody is when somebody is out of jail, like it's the reason they have like um parole and stuff like that, like parole officers and s and such like that. Because afterwards, they are still, you know, skeptical. Right. And even peop and even people who do non non-violent things, it's why the permanent record exists that like they basically keep it a little closer eye on people who have done things especially violence in the past. Anyone who has like a domestic violence, uh assault, anything like that. Anything that has been violent that isn't murder, because it if it's murder, you're just gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:55

If it's murder, then you're a murderer, and then there there you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

But yeah, but uh, but the for the people the for the people who aren't that but are violent, they do keep a lot closer eye eyes on you. Well that's I would absolutely believe that if if a purge existed and they watched like with drone, C T V cameras, it's it's insinuated in all the purge movies that the government has like a lot of but that's what I'm saying, right? Yeah, if they watch a guy brutalize 45 people, I would guarantee that they would be pretty pretty interested to see what that guy's life looks life looks like.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

Here's here's my theory, and this again might speak more to my own position, but we don't have to get deeply into it, is that I believe that with the caveat of all crime is legal, you kill one person on purge night, they're like, ah, you know, you you're you're just operating uh with purge rules. You kill a bunch of people like you do a m- You do genocide you do a map Well, genocide's pretty hard to accomplish. Okay, hold on. Now is this a purge podcast? Because now I want to talk about that. Could a could a could a government official drop a bomb on a city?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:01

They do have rules about this. I know what are they though? And anyone acting under government authority, that being military, that being police, that being EMS, all of those are off for the night.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

Right. Uh because the obviously they don't have cops operating during the purge. They don't have like emergency.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:29

Right. Uh I mean it's a huge plot point. It's literally like. It actually led to in the purge show, I believe there was a character who like kind of the hospitals kind of fucked them over, and that like they wouldn't let them go home until the end of their shift, but their shift start like ended like as the purge started.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:47

Wait, so it was a hospital employee who was not allowed to leave the hospital until the purge had begun.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:54

These movies have have idiot plots. It's so funny. Like, truthfully, I cannot imagine that any workplace would not have a system in place for dealing with the purge. However.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Of course not.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:06

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

No, like, in the fucking in the first movie, it's like twenty or ten minutes before the purge starts. That's somebody's like, lock it down store.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

You should not be locking down 20 to 30 minutes before. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, if the purge is happening. No. If the purge is happening, it's a national holiday. We're not open. That's ridiculous. Because here's the other thing. Here's another thing about the purge. This is a purge podcast now. There are a hundred percent, a hundred percent gonna be people who jump the gun on it. Who start killing people 30 minutes before the sirens go off. And who's tracking it? Truly, who's tracking it? I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:44

There's an old college humor skit about this.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

I was gonna bring that up earlier. I was actually gonna bring that up earlier. The college humor skit.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

He's like raising the axe, and then all of a sudden it's like the sirens go off and he's like, ah, damn it. Do you want to go get food?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

Oh, wait, no, actually, I might be talking about a different sketch. Cause what I was gonna talk about is there's a there's an older college humor sketch about not that old. Yeah, well, yeah, in in the building, where the perch happens in the office, but the first thing that happens is all the people who are participating in the perch have just a fuck ton of questions about it. I think it might be the same series. I think they did like a four-part series like this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

It is.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:18

Um And they're basically asking, oh my god, my cat is screaming upstairs again. She thinks it's time for her to get fed. It will be in 30 minutes. Um And they're just asking all these questions that we've already been asking. What if I cross state lines and the time zone changes? Does that give me two more or less hours to purge? What if I kill someone? Or what if I shoot someone and they're a question? Right? Or what if I shoot someone and they start. Okay. No, that's a good question. But here's an even better question. I really love this one. You shoot someone, or you stab someone, you do whatever. You you you you you kill them. But it takes you kill them at like, I don't know if it changes at 12 p.m. Let's say, let's make it five nights at Freddy's rule. It's 6 a.m., whatever, something like that. Right? You kill someone at 5.59. You shoot 'em, right? They're on the ground, they're bleeding out, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:08

I know where you're going with this.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:09

6 a.m. passes, and then they die. Have you legally murdered them or not? Rather, is your murder murder a crime or not?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:21

Taking our actual legal system into play, it's only murder if they die, but it's attempted murder if they don't. So again, but again, okay, then let's even call it that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:33

You shoot someone and they survive. Is that attempted murder?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

No, because I think that death is what makes it so complicated. I would imagine that any any crime committed during the purge, if there's an after-effect to it afterwards, they'll kind of mix it, I think. Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:49

But that was the other thing. You steal a car. You steal a car and that's legal. But then do you do I have to apply do I have to get insurance for it after? Because I my ownership of it is illegal, but it was legal during that time, but then do I have to do I have do I need insurance?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:05

This is the stuff that purge movies should be talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:08

But then they would be very boring, or they would be very different movies. I think it's actually interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

I doubt because the people like us who like this sort of conversation would be like, oh, that's so interesting, and it would lead to more conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:19

That's true, but then it wouldn't be the same movie. Because what they want from a purge movie is just like rambunctious violence and being a f- Yeah, chaos. But you know, they could they could, you know, spin it off into a kind of like crime thriller, drama, legal. I would love to see a purge movie that takes place the day after the purge. That is an interesting movie. Is that what happens in that?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:43

Well, like I said, it's people who are just trying to continue the purge after the day. Sovereign citizens, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

No, that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:51

No, so when it comes to this concept, I I wish, I wish that there was more given to the idea of the separate crimes that people could commit.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

Just non-murder stuff, you mean basically?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

Yeah, because how often do you get to like in the purchase movies, is somebody like, I don't know, robbing a bank?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:17

Well, it's I was gonna say it's not basic it's not a robbery at that point, because like no no one's gonna be operating that bank either way. But like breaking into the building and stealing. Yeah, but you know, scaling it down, like breaking into a convenience store, stealing all the money out of the register, whatever. Um again, I have to imagine that in a world where the purge is a regular event, most businesses like don't keep money in their stores during that day. But again, the purge is kind of an idiot plot because the fact that we have these movies always has to do with the fact that someone is not prepared. Or someone is being taken advantage of or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:53

The first movie is about somebody who's so prepared that like everything fails. Uh but I I Is it Ethan Hawk?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

Do I remember correctly that it's Ethan Hawk?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:03

He's like the actor or The Aut.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:06

Yeah, the er author. The actor, yeah. Ethan Hawk is one of my favorite cam. Uh the black phone. He was in Sinister. Oh yeah, he was in the black phone. By the way, have you ever seen Sinister?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:18

Yeah, it is Ethan Hawk.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:19

Oh, I was Ethan Hawk. I was right. Have you ever seen the um Sinister? I'm not now. You should watch those movies. Oh, my girlfriend's coming down. Let's uh let's uh actually no, we're not immune necessarily. Take a second. Hey baby. We're recording right now. Do you wanna come say hi?

unknown 1:15:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

She says no. Okay, that's fine. Um, do you want us to pause real quick while you're doing what you're doing?

unknown 1:15:39

I'm just eating.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:40

We probably We're actually gonna pause because she's gonna be screaming the whole time anyway, so let's take a quick pause for that. You had a point that you had been thinking of about the purge. I actually don't remember. I had to go take out the trash.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:51

I did remember what it was. Okay. So during the Forever Purge, which was I believe the most recent one in the series, unless it's come from recently.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

Right as it ends, you were talking about like the oh, what happens like the day after?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:07

Well, great. I love the idea of that being a purge move. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:11

But the way that they handle it in Forever Purge is like literally it ended two seconds ago. It follows uh the Forever Purge follows um this girl, and like her and her family are undocumented. And this is Texas, I believe. Interesting. Uh but like right after the purge is over, like they leave this barn or whatever they've been hiding in.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

And you're saying the movie starts like two seconds right after it ends.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:34

Oh, it it starts like like five minutes before the purge is over, and you like hear shit, and like a lot of like they're breathing, like they're all scared and shit. And and then they walk outside and like there's just like bodies all over the fucking place, and there's just a lady across the street, like, takes the mask off and she's like, Hi neighbor, how is your how's your holiday?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

That's actually see if that were the first purge movie and I and truly, I don't I I don't know how well they accomplished the concept. If if the the forever purge was like a bad iteration, I wouldn't even know. But if that were the first purge movie, if that was our introduction, is just the aftermath and then maybe a cut to the year after. Maybe they do do that. I don't I truly don't even remember. But like I I think what is more interesting about the purge is the concept, not the execution. I've watched a million slasher movies in my life. Not that many, but but like I've watched a ton. Slasher movies is one of my favorite subgenres of the horror genre. So I am very used to watching people get brutally murdered or like murdered indiscriminately in a location. That's every slasher. I've seen Chopping Mall, love Chopping Mall, I've seen it in a Quiet Nature, that one's fun. Seen Friday the 13th, Scream. Scream is arguably my favorite horror franchise of all time. I don't know. It it arguably. It depends on how I frame things. Because it could also be Magnus Archives, it could also be Alien, it could also be a bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:01

But it's my favorite slasher.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:03

I love Scream. I love Scream.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:06

Even with some of their most recent iterations.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:10

I I am willing to defend the core concept. I'm also willing to acknowledge that later movies are not my favorite. When they recast F uh in Scream, what was it? Was it five when they recast the main lead? Okay, because one through f Okay, hold on. I'm gonna do some quick math here, and this is gonna show you how much I know about the Steam the Scream franchise. Scream one, obvious. Nev Campbell, and then it's uh Stu Mocker and Skeed Ulrich. No, Stu Mocher. The killers, right? You're talking about? Yeah, those are the two killers. Those are because Scream Spoiler, spoiler, yeah. The the the first Scream movie is actually two ghost faces. That's how they trick everyone. Sure. The second one, follow-up sequel bait, they kill um, they kill the horror guy who's ve who I always related to, but also was kind of an asshole in real life. Whatever. Um the third one, they're doing a very specific kind of trilogy imagery where they are the God, there's some weird plot point where the brother no Nev Campbell is revealed to be the the sister or the half-sister of the ghost face in that one because his or rather Nev Campbell's her name is Sydney, I believe, in the movies, I think, if I recall correctly. Um I think so. I think so. Again, I love these movies. The names are always lost on me. Um It's been a while since I've seen Scream. It's been a long time. Not for me, uh rather for you. But I'm pretty sure her name is Sydney. I don't know why, but I I think so. Um it's gonna be not that, and I'm gonna look like an idiot. But uh either way, it it's I think her mother, the part of the overarching plot line of the original Jill Roberts, Amber Freeman, Quinn Bailey. Alright, because there's Billy Loomis, that's the other killer.

unknown 1:20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:02

What's what's Nev Campbell's name? Or what's her character's name? Nev Campbell. Nev is N-E-V-E, I think. What a name, by the way. Nev Campbell. Not a real name. Let's see. Who is named that?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

Sidney Prescott.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:16

Sydney Prescott, okay, I was ready, it is Sydney. Because I've Sydney! I've heard that. Okay. So anyway, the third one her the overarching theme is her mother was maybe cheated on her father, and that's why Billy Loomis got mad at her because he ch There was some Anyway, it's like her half-brother, and then he's trying to do a trilogy thing, and there's a whole they're doing like a film about Scream, which they call Stab, which is funny because Stab and Scream are actually very comparable in names, but Stab sounds stupid next to Scream, even though if there was a movie called Stab and they made a sc Scream as the stand in, it would seem equally as stupid. Yeah. It I I I love the Scream movies. Okay. The fourth one though, they bring in Emma Roberts, who I don't like. Okay. I don't like Emma Roberts. All I'm trying to figure out is when did they introduce it had to be Scream 5. That was the math I was doing, because there were two movies that starred the character who I truly do not care about, and then also Baby, who's Wednesday? Ortega, Jenna. Who's who's Wednesday? Jenna Ortega. Jenna Ortega. Jenna Ortega was also a part of it. And they're both gone for the city. I'm not baby, but you know, I just knew that. But you you did know it, but I also wanted to give uh Payton the opportunity to flex her Jenna Ortega love. Um they're both gone in Scream 7. I've not screen seen scream seen Scream 7. The very long form answer to your question. Or rather, the very long story short is I love Scream. I love the campiness of it, and part of what makes the new entries work for me is how bad they are. Because weirdly I like Halloween. Halloween's great. But to finish my point though, and we could talk about Halloween. Um what what makes me love the not love, because the original Scream Scream 1 through 2, truthfully, are the best, and then it gets it gets lost in the weeds. It's been around forever. But they are so self-referential in the way that they talk about the movie making process and the way that sequels and long-running franchises attached. Like, every time something cringy and weird happens in Scream, it almost it doesn't seem intentional, but I can reframe it in my head as like My cat's being loud over here. Um I can reframe it in my head as being like It's part of kind of the charm of Scream. Because they start, you know, Scream 2, the whole bit is, oh, it's a sequel to Scream 1. Like they're afra uh they're referencing that the whole time. In Scream 3, they're like, it's the finale of a trilogy. In Scream 4, they're like, it's a side cool re-make kind of thing. And then when it gets to Scream 5, 6, and then now 7, they're like, it's the reimagining, it's the reinterpretation, it's when they come back to the franchise in the new Hollywood landscape, and you know, Courtney Cox, you're destined to die because you're a uh a legacy character. That's what they call these characters. Like in Jurassic Park when Jeff or rather Jurassic World, when Jeff Goldblum sh get Jeff Goldblum shows up, and he does this whole ah uh the the dinosaurs, they are uh uh, you know, Jeff Goldblum stuff. Um he's a legacy character because he's what original fans love from the original, and they bring him back so that those fans will still love the new stuff. And that's why Nev Campbell somehow is the lead in Scream 7, despite the fact that she's she's gotta be in her 40s now. I and that's that doesn't mean anything to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:03

I uh there are plenty of great horse.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:05

I mean Jamie Jamie Lear Jamer Carpus. Jamie Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:10

Who played Holland Solo in um in the solo movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:14

Oh, Harrison Ford?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:15

Yeah, Harrison Ford, thank you. You forgot Harrison Ford. Table excited.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:20

Yeah, okay, but that's a and that's true, but that's a little different. Um, because Harrison Ford famously, after a certain point, hated being casted and stuff. Every time, like when he was cast as Red Hulk in the uh the new Captain America movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:34

He did not give a fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:35

He in every interview they were like, so what was your inspiration for this character? And every time he was like, They paid me a thousand million dollars. And it's like, dude, yeah, when you're that age and and people have held you up on this pedestal forever, you gotta get tired of it. But I do think for certain certain actors, like, and this may be uh a testament to how unaware I am of other other Hollywood stuff. What else is Nev Campbell known for?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:04

I I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:06

Probably just Scream. And I again, let me see. There's gonna be a bunch of people in my comments who are like, oh, she was in this really beloved show, this really beloved franchise. Whatever. She's the girl from Scream, she's Sydney Press.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:18

Everything that I see is Scream, Scream, Scream, Scream.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:20

So it's like, okay, when she comes back, it's like not only is she a legacy character, but it's also she she has been given the chance to revive her career. However, Harrison Ford, he never really had to worry about that. Everyone if any single person was making a movie, they would accept Harrison Ford in that movie. So there's a little difference there. It's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:40

So she was in Scream, Scream, Scream. Twisted Metal, that TV series.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:44

She was in Twisted Metal?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:47

She was in Mad Men. Oh, okay. Grey's Anatomy.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:51

Oh, so she was in popular stuff. And I just didn't watch it. Alright, that's fine. Until I think that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:57

All these are like like weird like those movies are like straight to fucking VHS, basically. Yeah, literally the Lion King 2, Simma's Pride.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:05

People love that one for the record.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:07

Oh, do they?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:08

They're people who are very, you know, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:11

Mad TV.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:13

Mad TV, sure, yeah, why not? Alright, I I say, let's take a quick pause, reset. And I actually want to hear more of the questions you have on your list.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:21

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that sound good?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:22

You know, we don't have to pause and reset. You do you want to just read some more on your list?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:26

Yeah, I still got them.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:27

Alright, let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:28

If you are in a horror movie, do you think you would survive? No. It really depends on which one.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:32

No. Actually, you know what I'll say? I'd survive Scream 1, I would die in Scream 2 for the same reason that. God, what was the the guy's name? I would be the very self-aware horror movie guy who was in Scream 1, who survived Scream 1 because of his self-awareness, but died in Scream 2. I would not survive a horror movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:49

I would survive the purge, no fucking problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:52

I believe that. I believe that. Especially with your gun knowledge and your your healthcare knowledge and all that stuff. If uh do you want to describe like what that knowledge is to people?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:02

Just like, okay, uh I am currently a licensed EMT, or almost licensed. I have completed this, I have the certification of the course. I was an intern for uh a certain hospital here in Colorado for a little bit of time.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:18

Uh by the way, chat or not chat, uh podcast. If you're hearing weird bassy music behind me, we have neighbors who have really loud speakers, so I apologize for that. Please continue, Logan.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:29

Yes. Uh I am about to take my test called the National Registry for Emergency Medical Technicians, the NREMT, next week. Hopefully licensed. We'll see. I hope so. It's a hard test. But uh I've been working on this for the better part of a year at this point. And uh Yeah, my s that little thing back there for members only. I have a little plaque back there that uh shows a certificate of completion for my emergency emergency medical technician course. So I am not licensed, but I am. As knowledgeable as one could be that is not licensed. Sure. And hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:04

You're right on the cusp.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:05

And hopefully next week I will get licensed. But we'll see. Uh and then up when it comes to gun knowledge, I just am a big, big gun nut. I I really, really like them.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:16

I am knowledgeable about them.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:19

I don't think obsessed is the right word, but it's probably the closest one I can think of. I I love shooting. I love learning about them.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:26

They are You love gun responsibility.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:30

Huh? Yeah, I love responsibility. I love I love uh four gun laws and such. Like very, very important. And so yeah, I so I think that if it came down to it, I was in the uh I was in the purge. First of all, I wouldn't leave my fucking house. Number one.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:47

No reason to do so.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:48

And number t number two, if I hurt myself or somebody hurt me, I think I could take care of it. If I needed a tourniquet myself, I know how to do that. I know how to use occlusive bandage, I know how to clean wounds. I know how to like hold supine position when I'm just by myself. I can do those things.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:06

Um Logan would genuinely not be the worst person in the world to be around during the purge.

unknown 1:29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

Yeah. Uh and it comes to gun knowledge. I know how to take care of this that sort of stuff and make sure that I'm protected and make sure that I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:22

Like, I'm to fucking save the world. I got a shotgun, I'll be fine. Boom, boom! Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:28

No, you see these people in the purge who like if they were real people, I fucking I love that for you. You know, they're the people they're the people who got in the ambulance and they're like, we gotta go save the people.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:38

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Why? Hey, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

I I get it. As somebody who who likes the healthcare stuff, you are asking to become another body.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:47

Yeah. If you do that. Like unfortunately, this is one of those situations I guess like if you're a combat medic, there's there's some world in which maybe being in the purge is like valuable. But like, if you're just regular EMT who's not like constantly be f being fired upon, like maybe let's just kind of avoid it. Here's my other thing though. You know what I love so often in the purge? It's people walking around with like, I got a baseball bat with nails in it. I got a fun flail. Oh my god, no dude, you would all have guns or you would all be dead. Like, we live in a barrel.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:18

There's a like one of the movies, there's a guy with like a fucking like 50 BMG like machine gun on the back of his his car. And then there's a guy who has like the knife, the combat knife, and he's like ready to go out and kill some people.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:30

Oh, I have a fire axe! Yeah, that might be a scary weapon in a slasher movie, but we're not in slasher territory right now. Right now we're in the territory of people have firearms, and you're not Michael Myers. Who is not a Motov at every single store on this on this road, and you're like, oh Dude, that's the other thing about the purge is that if what the purge allows is like, and obviously it doesn't allow like certain explosives, like you're probably not allowed to use like C I don't even know, like C4 or whatever, but like hand grenades, uh, they're all not allowed. Sure. But a Moltav, right? Say you have one uh uh the purge, if I understand correctly, happens across all of America, correct?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:09

This includes small town America, correct? 100%. Say you have one guy who who stalks up, he takes 24 vodka bottles, he makes Molotovs out of all of them, and he walks down the main street of a small town and he burns every business to the ground. That dude has potentially decimated the economy of an entire town or city. Yep. How the fuck is that good for the American population? Because apparently the purge is supposed to stimulate the economy and keep morality in check. I don't know about that, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:40

If you want to get into like the specific politics of the movie, the politics of the movie are insanely speculative. The rich people hide themselves, the poor people sort themselves out, essentially. Uh it somehow causes economic growth, you know, getting rid of potential hundreds of thousands of workers.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:00

Because what I will say, but here's the thing. I think part of this this is an interesting idea to me. Um I my perspective on like homelessness issues is that generally they are totally looked down upon and that we do not have enough infrastructure to care for the homeless. That is not important for this conversation, but here's what I'll say. I think part of the general premise behind that the poor people do the the poor murder and the rich people stay safe, is like, oh, hey, great way to deal with poverty. Kill the poor people who don't have shelter, right? Like the insane people go on the street and they kill all the you know people who live on the street, and I guess that keeps America clean. Fine. And it actually it actually does sound like i i in a um in like a speculative fiction kind of way, in a critical media kind of way, it probably does lean more left in its storytelling. Again, it comes from Hollywood, so it's almost certainly the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:52

But still, it's like ah, there are better ways of portraying it, I I think. Yeah. Uh like the very first movie is just like a one. It's about Ethan Hawk in a rich. Interesting concept, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:05

But then the other ones, like, especially the first purge.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:11

There's a low. I know you can, that's because of Discord uh sound, but they can hear it. I can see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:17

That's a great podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:20

Well, I'm not in my recording studio right now. Because we're on Discord. Well, because we're on Discord. And uh it's just better to be here. I'll be fine. I'm not even gonna cut this part out. Folks. No, I might. I'll lap it. Dude, I the neighborhood I live in, there is always a car alarm going off.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:39

I guess the stimulus if this is if this is staying in, then we'll leave it in.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:43

I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:44

Uh then the uh specifically the first purge, which is the n the movie, the name of the movie, the first purge. It centers a lot more around the politics. There's actually a lot less killing in it. It's probably my favorite purge movie, despite, you know, there are certain things that I don't see eye to eye with with the movie, obviously. Sure. But it is probably the the one purge movie that kind of deals with this like the murder, uh, the craziness, the least. It it's more about how they got to where they are and kind of the idea of what the purge was during the first purge. Because there's a beginning of this movie, it's like government officials asking people like, Do you have violent, do you feel as if you have violent tendencies? Like they're taking like a one of those big surveys, basically. A sense, thank you. They're taking a sense that's like, Do you feel violent tendencies? Do how do you feel like you're doing it? Work because of XYZ, XYZ. And they basically like they keep asking, like, oh, if there was one night you could do whatever you wanted, do you think it would help you overall and stuff like that? Uh and then so when they actually finally do the purge, which it wasn't called the purge in the in that movie, it was called something else. But um essentially, there is like one motherfucker who they're like, this guy's like, oh, he called he basically gives the purge its name. He's like, and when I if that ever came, I'd be ready to purge.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:02

Purge our dark tendencies. My dark twisted passenger. This is why I listen to Metallica and Fallout boy.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:13

The full moon's out. You need to run. You don't want to see me like hard.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:16

One day I might get a tattoo of the wolf ripping its shirt off.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:19

That would be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:20

I love that you're talking about we all do.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:23

Uh oh. In the movie, essentially, like for like the first half of it, it's it's a lot of talking. They're talking about like the idea of it, and then there's like a week leading up to it where they close off all like the bridges into the city because they're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:36

Is there one person who's like responsible for the core concept? Um guy who's like I pitch this, and then it like comes out of their controls.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:44

Yes, there was, but it was it's more of just like overarching government sort of deal. I'll watch it. But there's a lot of people. There is a guy who is attributed to it. But essentially, the first half of the movie is really interesting because you actually or uh the early part of the back half of the movie is actually really interesting because it starts to deal with like this is like the first time anyone's ever had this experience. So what a lot of people start doing is they have this huge party in the middle of like a street and where like people are doing drugs. There are people like with their shirts off. That was illegal.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:15

So so it they don't actually go immediately to murder. No, they don't. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:20

It's people kind of feeling it feeling it out at first.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:23

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:23

Because like people just start partying. Like is it? They start taking their shirts off.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:26

Like what, you mean like women taking their shirts off?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:29

Yeah, women because uh it's legal now in New York, but it wasn't at the time. Um but like that, uh like just people doing stuff that was like illegal, yeah. But not murder. Like misdemeanors and then Yeah, exactly, or even felonies, like drink taking drugs, like taking narcotics, scheduled with narcotics. But um But then they get to the point where the guy who's like purge, he comes to the party and just starts like stabbing people, and because of how loud everything is, like people aren't noticing it almost until they do that when like and then they and then they start getting to like the more purge stuff, and then they took um real-world inspiration from an actual church shooting, and they like basically there are people who were praying during this purge, it was another interesting part of it, who are like, we pray that everyone is safe to die, and we pray that like nothing happens.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:14

They were using the the church as a place of ref refuge, and then somebody came and you know, yeah, and it it doesn't surprise me that they use that because not only does does um do all the purge movies specifically try to conjure very like American-centric imagery and like stuff like American controversy imagery, but they also just love having a oh my god, isn't this so terri like you know they they like to shock you? Yeah, they shock you.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:39

Um but that's why I think that the first purge is probably the best one, just because for for a lot of that, it's still not a great movie, but for a lot of the runtime, it it really just does deal with like oh, what do we do now? We've just been given a free pass to fuck off and do whatever the hell we want where nobody can stop us for I think it's 12 hours. What now?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:01

The initial confusion that that would be a really compelling element to me. Yeah, I because is that the fourth movie? I think it's the first one. Well, I was gonna say I've seen I've seen the first three, I think. Because the first one was Ethan Hawke, I definitely remember that one. And then I remember one that was like, I think it was a family who ran a convenience store. And that was the one that had the Statue of Liberty mask that was kind of glowy with the X eyes. And then there was like the America.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:27

The purge, the purge anarchy, the purge election year, the purge, and the forever purge.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:32

That's why it was like the American one, because there was it was they were trying to kill the presidential elect, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:38

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:40

It was a really, really I thought the first purge was okay, actually. I don't know how people feel about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:47

It's an interesting uh it's an interesting concept. This has been part one of my conversation with my brother Logan. Uh, we took a break after this point, and it went way longer than we were expecting, and we kind of forgot what we were talking about a little bit. So, uh, part two will be out next week. Thanks for listening, Boneheads. Have a good one.