I CARE ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING, NOT WHERE YOU'VE BEEN

"I Care About Where You're Going, Not Where You've Been" — Pastor Mark Lantz of Christian Center Church

What do you do with a past full of mistakes, regret, and shame? According to Pastor Mark Lantz of Christian Center Church in South Bend, Indiana — you use it as a platform.

In this episode of B.A.S.I.C. Conversations, Brother Boston sits down with Pastor Mark for a raw and Spirit-filled conversation about grace, calling, and what it really means to build a church for people who think they don't belong. Pastor Mark shares how God ordered his steps from a youth camp altar call at 17 to leading one of South Bend's most diverse and welcoming congregations — and why he believes your past doesn't define you, but the grace of God does.

They dig into what it takes to deliver an uncompromising, soul-stirring message every single week, why the altar call is one of the most missing elements in today's church, and what advice Pastor Mark would give to any ministry venturing out to reach the forgotten and overlooked.

If you've ever felt too broken, too far gone, or too ashamed to be used by God — this episode is for you.

In this episode:

• How Pastor Mark answered the call to ministry at 17
• Building a church that looks a little like heaven
• Preparing a message that feeds the heart, not just the head
• Why your testimony is your greatest ministry tool
• Psalm 37:23 and the scripture that has anchored Pastor Mark for decades
• His closing word to his younger self — and to you

"I care about where you're going, not where you've been." — Pastor Mark Lantz

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:08

Welcome to Basic Conversations. I'm your host, Brother Boston. My guest today serves as the senior pastor of Christian Center Church right here in South Bend, Indiana. His mission is simple but powerful to help people reach their full potential through faith in Jesus Christ. He's the author of How to Elevate Your Life, the director of World Harvest Ministries Network, and a weekly presence on the Harvest Show on La See Broadcasting. He and his wife Crystal lead a church with a heart for people who feel that they don't belong. Dr. Mark Lance, welcome to Basic Conversations.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Thank you, Kevin. It's an honor to be with you. I'm really looking forward to our conversation today, and I appreciate the great work that you're doing and the ministry God's given to you.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Man, thank you so much. And I just want the listeners to know, man, this is our third attempt at doing this. You know, the enemy always tries to prevent God's word and testimony from going forth, and he'll do it in any way he can. We've had technical difficulties and then, you know, funerals that the pastor had to handle. A lot of things just kept coming up. Life happens, as we all know. And so uh I just want to thank you for again. This is three times a charm. So let's let's get into it, man. Tell me a little bit about how you even got involved with ministry and eventually into leading a church here in South Bend, Indiana.

unknown 1:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Well, I was uh I was saved at a very young age when I was seven. That's when I was born again. And just growing up, I had the great privilege of growing up in a great household with a mom and dad that took me to church on a regular basis. But when I was 17 years old, I was at a youth camp in Lorraine, Ohio. And I remember specifically after one of the night services at the altar where I was praying, I knew God touched me. And I knew it was one of those supernatural moments where you know the Spirit of God has led you in a certain direction. And that moment I knew that I was called to preach. Now, in what capacity, I really didn't know, but from that moment, that was the calling on my life. And so from there I uh went into Bible college, graduated from Bible college, began to work in some Christian education ministry, which then led us into pastoring. And ironically, we ended up pastoring the very same church of the youth camp where I was called when I was 17. So it was neat how God brought us back kind of to the roots of our calling, and we pastored there until 2005, and then we moved back here into this area. And it was neat how the Lord even worked in the ways of getting us to where we are now, because when we moved back, I didn't immediately go into another ministry. So I was looking for a, you know, just a job to be able to support my family. And I thought, well, if I'm going to work, I might as well work in a in a Christian organization. And I knew of Dr. Summerall, but didn't know much about, you know, the ministry. So I randomly got on their the website of Lisse Broadcasting, saw that they were hiring for salespeople, which I'd never sold anything in my life. I'm not a salesman, but uh, but I went in, got an interview, got a second interview, and the sales manager looked at me and she said, You know, you have no experience. She said, But for some reason, I feel like I need to hire you. And I don't feel like that was just an emotion. That was the hand of God because that was the bridge that got us connected to the church here and led us to where we are right now. And so I just I say that because, you know, the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. And I believe things don't just happen randomly in the house in the in the life of a child of God. God orders everything that happens. And so that's yeah, that's kind of the journey of how we got called to ministry and to where we are now.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Yeah, that's incredible. And when you're saying we, is is this you speaking of your wife, your your better half, or your other half? I like to call mine my better half because we know that she is definitely the better half.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Yeah, I totally agree on my end as well. Yeah, my wife and I have been married June 1st, it'll be 34 years. And we yes, so no, 35 years. Sorry, third 35 years. So we got four four great children, and I'm so proud uh, you know, of my kids. And and uh so yeah, we've we've been in this we from from the beginning, as far as you know, doing doing ministry together.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Are your kids involved with uh the church business that goes on in any way?

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, my my daughter is the creative director here at the church, and so she she runs all the creative parts of ministry as far as media, video, social media, you know, those kind of things. My oldest two sons, they work, they work other jobs. My youngest son is is learning the video part of uh ministry, and I'd I'd love to see him get involved, you know, once he gets that under his belt.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Yeah. Yeah, that's I mean, you can't beat that, having your kids working with you, your wife alongside you. Like that's a such a blessing in and of itself, especially the way the world can, you know, what I see and what I've experienced myself is that the world will be very quick to divide and split a family up in many different ways through temptation, through you know, career goals, and you know, all of this stuff. So that's what I see when we when my wife and I go to that church and we see your wife and your daughter's up on the the control board and doing all that. I'm like, dude, what talk about a blessing from God? If nothing else ever came out of your serving God, like you can't really ask for more. Just their love for Jesus through your example is a pretty incredible. Um, one thing, so for the listeners, I've been going to this church now for about a year. I have been following Christ for about seven years. I despised religion, I despised anything that had to do with something outside of anything that was had a uh a figure of power, court systems, you know, police, all of that. At a young age, I was arrested at nine. So I always had this like authority, stay away. And I always, driving by churches, always saw what appeared to me as perfect people who don't understand what brokenness is and this and that, like dignitaries. And so I would stay, stay away from it as far as as far back as I could. And when I came to your church, I was blown away. Like one of the videos that was shown is was a brother who had just come from home from prison, is now running a ministry uh there at the church, and that just blew my mind. I said, Oh, these are some real Christians in this place. And so tell me about that. Like, how did you get involved with like people who are just as impacted? A lot of a lot of organizations and churches won't even touch that, like they'll you know, keep their distance just to maintain this like outward appearance of we are you know flawless and perfect.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

You know, I feel like it's God giving everybody has a different approach to ministry, and for whatever reason, the Lord has given us a heart for those that have come out of difficult situations, whatever that might be, whether that's incarceration, broken marriages, broken homes, traumatized childhoods. I I realize life is not it's not perfect. You know, life happens and we all make mistakes, including myself. I've made major mistakes in my life. But yet at the same time, I know we serve a God of mercy. You know, Jesus came to heal the brokenhearted, he came to preach deliverance to the captives. You know, when he stood in the synagogue after he came out of the wilderness, that was his first message. He quoted from Isaiah, said the Lord hath anointed me for this reason. And I feel like God has enabled us and given us a heart for people that have come out of broken situations or traumatized past or coming out of mistakes that they've made and realize that's not the end of their journey. And our past does not define us, but rather it's the grace of God that defines us. And the Lord has led us into that. And I feel like if you look at our church, you will see a reflection of that. You'll see a picture of that. You'll see diversity not only of culture, race, background, economic status. And I feel that's the body of Christ because that's what heaven looks like. Heaven, you know, is a diversity of people that have come from all backgrounds. And so my approach to ministry is for our church to look a little bit like heaven and to have that diversity and to be able to reach people no matter where they are. And I've I've said this often, and I firmly believe this. I really don't care where you've been, I just want to know where you're going because it's from this point that's what matters most. It's the the choices that you make from now. That's what's going to define you as a person. So that's been our heart, that's been our passion and our burden, and that's the way that we approach ministry, and that's kind of the core of our message is that message of restoration and reconciliation and deliverance and being able to get up from where you are and move forward and see God do something great in your life.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Yeah, man, that's that's beautiful. If only everybody could share that same principle, that same thought process. Um, it's kind of it's kind of crazy when I think about what God has done in my life, knowing where I have come from. And like, you know, a lot of times when I'm talking to people, and when I used to go live on other platforms and stuff, my my goal was to like reach them people because just like I was, I thought God didn't want nothing to do with me, He couldn't use me, I was too broken, I've made too many horrible choices, and that I was irredeemable. Uh, and I know that that is alive from the pit of hell. Um, and so like when you do come across that, like you basically just said it. It's not about what you've done, it's where you're at right now and where you're heading, right? Right. Um exactly, yeah, and to try to get that through people's heads, I hear it in your message every week, every single week. I am this is this is why I know I'm where I'm supposed to be. I am convicted, I am uplifted, and I am not being fed some watered down uh uh man-winning, like you're winning souls, you're not winning people. Um, and that is what I love, but being able to find the balance between grace and truth, so you don't deliver one more than the other, that is something that I believe only comes from the Holy Spirit. When we talk about people preparing for messages and the little tiny bit of messages that I've delivered in the past, and I prayed, man. I was petrified, I didn't want to, but God made it very clear this is what I want you to do. And so, like through obedience, I got through it and the message was delivered. But there was preparation, there was fasting, there was studying, there was a lot of prayer. Um, what does that look like for you? You're you're delivering a fire message every single week that is not watered down, and most definitely, if your heart is not pricked after you leave one of these messages, then you might have had an ear pod in or something and you were listening to something else. Because I don't know how that's even possible. But what is what is something you do when you're about to prepare a message?

SPEAKER_00 12:17

Well, to me to me, the most important thing is is to know that I am delivering what God wants these people to hear. You know, it's not about me or any other preacher, it's about God, what do you want to say to your people? And that's when I pray, that's what I ask. That's what I go to the Lord. I say, God, what do you want your people to hear? I want them to receive exactly the heart of God. And of course, his heart is revealed through the word of God. And so, yeah, I will and I preach in series a lot. I, you know, both on the midweek as well as the Sunday, I will choose a series or ask God for what direction we want to go, feel a certain direction, and then through prayer, ask God, what are the specific things that you want to say, and then do a lot of research as well, obviously, through preparation, through study, through writing, through editing, and all of that, you know, to make sure that I am delivering the content that is not only feeding the head, but most importantly feeding the heart. You know, I want to make sure that it's accurate, I want to make sure that it is relevant. And to me, Kevin, the most important thing then comes at the altar where we take what God has spoken to us through the word, and we come to the altar and we make it real. And I think that's what's missing in a lot of churches. The altar service is no longer, you know, relevant to many churches. They'll deliver a word and then say a benediction, and everybody goes home. I think there needs to be a time where we come and spend moments in the presence of God saying, Lord, now speak to me. What word has been delivered? Now speak to me. Help me to apply, to assimilate this word into my life so that I can become better. And that, of course, only comes through the Holy Spirit because He is the guide of truth. He is the one that not just the comforter, but He's also the convictor. He's the one that brings to light those things. And so that's why to me, the altar service, that's the most important part of any time that we gather together. So that's that's kind of my process. It takes, yes, it takes time. You know, it takes time writing, like I said, editing and making sure that I deliver the content that God wants these people to hear.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Yeah, it's it's we we were so blessed. We were, I'm not even gonna lie, on our way here from California, we go to a church that is literally started by men who were formerly incarcerated, and we're talking hundreds of years between the whole crew, and uh and they are on fire for God. Every other church I went to and visited was like, you know, a motivational speech with a little bit of sprinkling of you know, half of a sentence of scripture. No getting down into the word and why they were writing this that time, and how does it apply these days? And you know, why does it not not apply these days? And you know, um, so when finding all these other churches where I'm like, I what was that great show, like very interesting motivational speech, but like where's the where where's the word? And so when we came here, we were praying for that to find a church, and her mom had said, This guy's on fire, like you know, this is a little you know, little mom. And and when we first came to the to the service, man, I I was I was floored. I was I was definitely hit with the spirit, and I said, Oh, okay, all right, we're safe, we're good. Um, so yeah, so it was a blessing immediately. The whole one of the things that always gets me, right? So I started a ministry in LA. This is soon after my wife and I had gotten married. My wife and I, I don't know if you knew this, knew each other for two months online, and then we got married in person the first time we met. So we yeah, and then for the next nine months, we communicated via FaceTime, and that was it. So shout out to FaceTime. Um, and FaceTime kept us verbally, spiritually, praying together, reading the word long distance. I was in LA, she was in Indiana, and we're back and forth, and we're building this relationship backwards compared to what I had built it on in the past. Uh, it was completely different. And so, but then there was this hey, God wants me to start a ministry, the basic ministry. Oh, okay. And so there was a lot of times where um her trusting in me almost became an issue. It was like, no, you gotta just trust me. This is what God like, you know, and and I had been in such a in tune with him that there was nothing, I don't care who you are, you ain't telling me what he said and didn't say because he'd already given me the assignment. And so that would bring up friction sometimes and confrontation. How has that been for 35? Like you're coming on 35 years of marriage, which is mind-blowing to me in and of itself. 35 years of marriage. How has that been with the the wife and the family and you know, God's calling you here, God's calling you there? And I've talked to other pastors and they've said, you know, it can be a challenge. Or what does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Sure. Well, I appreciate you know every decision that we've made in changing locations of ministry where God's called us. You know, my my wife has been very, she's been she's been supportive. And not not to say again that there's not been those moments and I've not always done it right. I know that for a fact. I'm not saying that I have, but she's been, she's been an excellent, excellent mother to our children, wife, and support and ministry. And I'm telling you, I just want to say this, Kevin, because I feel like, you know, many times pastors, because they're the ones preaching every Sunday, that many times their wives aren't recognized for the ministry that they have. And my wife, I believe, has a unique anointing on her where people are just drawn to her. And no, it may not be like preaching a Sunday message, but she has such a way of communicating to people that they are just drawn to her. In fact, I I can't tell you how many times we've been someplace where a complete stranger will come up to her and literally pour their life story out to her and then walk away saying, I don't know why I just said all that, but I feel like that's that's a special anointing. It really is. And so, yeah, I feel like it comes to the point that when God is in it and God is moving you, you know, obviously scripture said these two shall become one flesh. And I feel like God will move on both of you. And yeah, there will have to be conversations and there may be disagreements, but at the end of the day, I feel like as you submit to God and submit, you know, your plan to his plan and allow Holy Spirit to do that work, you know, those conflicts can be resolved and you're able to, you know, move ahead into the ministry God's called you to be able to move into. So it has to be a work of Holy Spirit. We know that it can't be a man-made, you can't force anybody, whether it's marriage or any other relationship, you can't force anybody to see things the way you see them. You know, it's a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, and you have to allow him to do the work that you and I, we can't do that. He's got to be the one to do it.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Amen. Amen. I couldn't agree more. And I just want to say this my wife, too, Molly. Yeah, she there's no strangers to her. Uh it's like we're in the middle of a supermarket, and it's like, okay, can we get going? So yeah, yeah. That's a blessing, man. That's a blessing.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

It is.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Um, I mean, after all, we are all human beings, you know. And I think I think pastors are put on such a high, under a finer scope, I guess, because there's expectations are greater and they're being watched more. And, you know, that whole that whole thing. So people love to try to find a good Christian pastor and tear them down if they can. They want to, you know, find that flaw, find the weak spot, and bring them down to their level. Um, so beautiful. Thank you. And okay, so I'm gonna shift it a little bit, right? So I have some I've mentioned this before. My brother's out in California, they're formerly incarcerated now. They have started a church called Truthbearer International Ministries. They're in Northern California and Southern California, just getting the ball rolling. It's been a couple years now. Um, incredible messages, which I will probably shoot you a link sometime because it would be great to have them as one of them as a guest here at the at the church. But that's something, you know, I'm planting planting the seed, hopefully. So what would you say to them as they venture off? Right now, they rent the building from another church, and they just, you know, use it and preach every week. And they are like again, sold out. It is a group of brothers that has truly transformed how God has used them to help shape and mold me, transform me. And I am not perfect. I am so frustrated. Far from it, but you should have seen me before. So that's what I that's what I always like to say. You think it's you think I'm a little rough around the edges right now, go back, you know, 10 years and you'll see what God has actually done. Um so what would you say to them as they're venturing off and getting involved in this and trying to reach the masses with the gospel of Jesus Christ? Advice.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

You know, I would say number one, stay true to the mission God's given to you. Don't allow other churches or other ministries to influence you from being from really pursuing the mission of preaching the gospel. Stay true to simply preaching the gospel. You know, Paul said it's the gospel, that's the power unto salvation. And there's a lot of tricks, a lot of, you know, a lot of marketing strategies, a lot of things that are in the church world that people are using to attract, you know, crowds and get people to come in. And I would say all of that is fluff. Stay true to the mission, stay true to the gospel. And don't, here's the here's the other thing is don't be ashamed of where you've come from. You know, all of us have things that we've done in our life that we have regretted. All of us have made mistakes, and there's things we wish we could go back and undo. But the fact of the matter is, Paul said this. He said, he said, brothers, I've not count myself, I count not myself to have apprehended. He said, but this one thing I do, I'm forgetting those things which are behind. Now, that doesn't mean he had amnesia. That means he's not allowing those things which are behind him to influence where he was. You know, and I think all of us have a past, and we need to be able to say, you know what? I'm not going to just ignore that. I'm going to say God has delivered me from that and has used even some of the mistakes I've made, has turned that around and use that. What the enemy meant for evil, God, you've used it now for good. That can be the launch pad to a greater level of ministry. So I guess I'm saying is that yes, we regret what we've done, but thank God for his grace that's forgiven us. And now let's take what we've done, use it as a platform to be able to build a testimony and say, if God did it for me, he can do it for you. If God redeemed me out of this, he can redeem you out of this. And I feel like for your brothers there that are building your church, I feel like that's a strong platform they need to stand on. You know, the the what God has brought them out of and continue to stay true to the word. Don't be influenced by all of the, again, tricks that are out there that other churches and ministries are using. Stay true to who you are, stay true to the word of God. Don't let your past become a you know a shameful thing, but let it be a platform, build a ministry on it as far as the grace of God, and I think you're gonna reach a lot more people that way.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Praise God, man. So y'all heard that, brothers, because I know y'all are gonna be listening. So um, man, yeah, you just hit me too. So thank you for that. Thank you for that. I've been, you know, honestly, Pastor, I've been trying to find my way. Find find where where you want me, God. What do you want me to do? And, you know, full of things in the past that are just riddling me with trying to riddle me with shame and guilt and regret and like that whole it's like being chained to the Empire State Building and trying to cross the street. You just can't. You can't I can't move further if I continue to allow that chain to be there. And I know that for some days it's good, some days it's bad. And I know I'm not alone. I know there's plenty of people who deal with the same thing, and it's like this tug of war, and that's why so many times you you hear it daily pick up my cross, you know. Yes, daily. Yeah, so just incredible. And when I think about the scriptures, and you just brought up don't be ashamed, and immediately my like one of I have two scriptures that are like my go-to's. One, I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ, where there's a power of God as to salvation as to anybody who believes, and that in and of itself spoke everything you just said. Like it literally tells me who cares about your past. And when knowing that God has already taken certain situations and circumstances in my life, turned him from a stumbling block into a stepping stone, and that things happened that I could never it wouldn't it didn't even cross my mind, wasn't even on the table as a possibility, because he is so far greater than what we really understand. What is that's my next question? What is your go-to book or scripture? Like when you're you've got some downtime, which probably never happens, but when you've got some downtime and you know, you're kicking back and you're in your word, and you know, there's something that that's comforting to you, what it what would that be?

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Yeah, there's a lot. I I you know, I would say the scripture that has really been kind of my life scripture since I was 21 years old is Psalm 37. Psalm 37, 23. And the reason, and it well, I'll quote the scripture, the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, and he delights in his way. Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down, for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand. I was 21 years old, going through a tough time. I was a kind of an assistant pastor at a church in Louisville, Kentucky. And one of the one of the Bible college professors was traveling with a group of students that I had graduated from, and they were traveling through the very city that I was in Louisville, Kentucky, and they stopped. And the professor walked over to me and said, Mark, I feel like God gave me a word for you. And he gave me that word, and it was right on time, in season, and it spoke deeply to me. And really that's what's, you know, that's what's kept me through all the years, through all the mistakes, through all the things, you know, that I've had to learn through life and through ministry. That I always come back to that scripture because I feel like, yes, my steps are being ordered by the Lord. And even if I do fall, even if I do, you know, step out of his will or maybe step out of line, he shall not be utterly cast down. I can always get back up because the Lord is upholding me with his hand. And that, and then Philippians 1, where Paul said, I'm confident of this very thing that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. And I'm convinced God's done a work, you know, started a work in me, he started a work in you, started a work in everybody that's listening to this podcast right now. And so if God started it, then he's gonna be faithful that no matter what comes between start and finish, he's gonna be faithful to do what it takes to get you to that finish line. And I I stand on that. I do, because again, you know, life throws curveballs at you. Things happen. We, you know, we make mistakes, but in spite of all of that, the work of God in my life is gonna continue on. So those those are kind of two, you know, go-to scriptures for me. I guess a third one would be Philippians three, what if I've already quoted it. You know, Paul said, I'm forgetting those things which are behind, I'm reaching forth to those things which are before, and I'm gonna press toward the mark. And I think that's uh that's where what you just said is important. Taking up your cross daily. It's a daily pressing, it's a daily, I'm gonna move forward, I'm gonna press on, I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna keep believing no matter what. It's a daily decision that you have to make. You can't make it one time and expect it to last the rest of your life. It's every day I get up. Okay, God, today I'm pressing on. I don't care how I feel, I don't care what I've gone through, I'm pressing on, and I'm believing that I'm gonna reach that market and get that price for the high calling.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Man, amen. You ain't joking. You are not every time we talk, I get fired up.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Good.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Ready to grab my word and go hit the streets. So we have come to the closing, and I ask every guest, Pastor, first of all, man, thank you so much again for this. This man has this is the third attempt, y'all. I just wanted to throw that out there again. But the question I close with is if you could go back and talk to your younger self, what would you say?

SPEAKER_00 30:38

I would definitely tell myself that number one, surround yourself with people that have done things you've never done, gone places you've never gone, and learn from them. Surround yourself with better mentors, leaders, people to speak into your life. And as you get into ministry and leadership, surround yourself with people that are how can I say this, people that are highly qualified and that you are able to surround yourself with quality people, quality leaders. Because what what I found is a lot of us, including myself, you know, we like to, if we hire somebody or we build a team, you know, we like to sometimes feel like, okay, well, I'm at the top, so I've got to be kind of better than everybody. And I've learned I can't do that. I've got to hire people that are better than I am, I've got to hire people that know stuff that I don't know. And so I would definitely, that would be the piece of advice that I would tell my younger self going into life, going into leadership, and going into ministry.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

I love it. I love it. Well, Pastor Man, thank you so much again for your time. I'm very grateful uh that this looks like it went off without a hitch. We're about to find out. And so, yeah, would you mind praying us out and and maybe inviting anybody to if they haven't given them their their lives to Jesus?

unknown 32:08

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Man, join us, join us on this mission, join the body of Christ. It is the best thing you can do for yourself, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, if you've not yet made Jesus your Savior, I'm telling you, this is the moment. And it's as simple as just confessing your sin to the Lord and just saying, God, I need you. I need you in my life. And so I'm gonna pray with you right now. Father, what a blessing to be in your presence. What a blessing to know that you are Lord. And today I pray for everybody listening to this podcast, Holy Spirit, that you would just reach them at the depth of their spirit. And Lord, if they don't know you, that they would cry out to you. They would cry out in humility, they would cry out in surrender and say, Jesus, forgive me of my sin. Come into my life. I receive the grace that you've given. And Lord, I just pray that everybody listening to this podcast would realize that you are there with them right now, no matter where they are, no matter what they've done, you're with them right now and are able to pick them up and be able to set their feet on a rock solid in you, Lord. They can walk forward from this moment. And I pray blessing over Kevin. And Lord, this podcast, I thank you for his heart, his ministry. I pray increased anointing in his life. Lord, let it continue to build and grow. And Father, we give it to you in Jesus' name we're gonna thank you, Pastor.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

All right, y'all. Y'all heard it here on Basic Conversations. Thanks for tapping in. Tune in next time.