THE WORD, NOT THE WORLD

What do you do when you're the most encouraging person in the room — and you're falling apart inside?

Zac Bauermaster is a high school principal, four-time published author, and speaker whose people-first leadership videos have generated over 376 million views on Instagram. He's been on Good Morning America, Fox & Friends, and People Magazine. But none of that is why this episode matters.

This episode matters because Zac once led a team meeting, had a panic attack, and passed out in front of his staff. He couldn't eat. Couldn't sleep. Was fighting anxiety and depression completely alone — because everything looked fine on the outside. The next morning, he opened his journal and wrote three words: "God, use me."

In this conversation, Zac opens up about that breaking point, his diagnosis, what it cost him to keep fighting alone, and the moment he finally let people in. He also shares what a visit to San Quentin State Prison taught him about peace, presence, and what it means to truly see people.

Brother Boston brings his own story to this one too — his walk through anxiety and depression before coming to Christ, what changed when he did, and why both men believe the battlefield is the mind.

Zac's closing word to his younger self says it all: The Word, not the world.

This one will stay with you.

Connect with Zac Bauermaster: 📱 Instagram / TikTok / Facebook: @ZBauermaster 🌐 zacbauermaster.com 📚 Books available on Amazon

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Basic conversations. I'm your host, Brother Boston. My next guest is a school principal from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. But before you picture someone sitting behind a desk, let me paint you a different picture. This man has over 870,000 followers on Instagram. One video of him high-fiving kids in the hallway got 23 million views. He's been on Fox Friends, Good Morning America, Inside Edition, and People magazine. He's a four-time published author, a keynote speaker, a husband, a dad of three, and a youth sports coach. If there was any room for more. But here's what makes him a perfect fit for basic conversation. Underneath all of that is a man who once had a panic attack and passed out in front of his own team. Who walked through a season of anxiety and depression so heavy he couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, and was fighting battles completely alone. He came out the other side with a people-first philosophy rooted in faith, a devotional called Day by Day, which I encourage y'all to check out, and a message that has reached millions. You are not alone and you were made for more. His tagline is simple. Leadership is all about people. So please help me welcome to Basic Conversations, Dr. Zach Bauermaster.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Hey Kevin, great to be with you. Appreciate that introduction. It means a lot. Truly humbled by it.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Yeah, man. I'm humbled by you sitting across from me on this call right now, man. It's uh it's a blessing, and I truly appreciate it. And hopefully uh uh your story can uh uh reach audience that it hasn't reached yet. I don't know if that's possible because it seems like you've reached quite the audience, but uh let's let's try to try to extend that reach a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

No, I appreciate that. I like when I used to do podcasts, I'd get really nervous and I'd have my notes beside me of everything I want to say. But I don't do that anymore. And I think the most authentic we thing we can do is just be ourselves. And and all I can do today is tell my story, tell how God is is working in and through my life. And I don't need to get nervous about anything.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Amen, bro. Amen. That's all a lie from the pedale. I mean, let's get real. Uh especially when we turn around and face it, right? Uh especially, you know, I've heard it said uh if you shine enough light on the darkness, what's it got, man? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Now, I mean, I mean, picture picture uh a room that's completely dark. You light one small candle, it lights up the room. It lights up the room. Just a little bit of light. And that's what we need in this world.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Amen, man. Positivity. Uh especially when you turn on the news, you turn, you know, with the with the politics these days, with just everything uh that people are programmed to watch first thing in the morning, man. It's nothing but you know, influencing depression, uh, anxiety, and worry. This is something I struggled with. This is why your story kind of hits home a little bit. But go ahead and uh why don't you tell me my my question is always what was your walk? How did your walk with Christ even come to be? Right?

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Yeah, yeah. I have I I say it this way there hasn't been a day I haven't known Jesus, and that's through God's grace, raised in such a wonderful home with both my parents, um, going to church, having devotions, just surrounded by great people as well. So truly blessed by that. But then as I was going through life, and it was after I was married, and we had uh my wife Carly and I, we had two young daughters at the time, I was working, and everything looked fine on the outside. I was I was a teacher, I was coaching high school basketball, I had a beautiful wife married to my high school sweetheart, two beautiful daughters, but on the inside, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I had a rapid heartbeat. I I literally thought I was dying and I was the only one that knew it. And I would I would go to the doctors, I would get stress tests, EKGs, and everything checked out okay. And then I started to actually withdraw because I I um I started to lose interest in the things I previously enjoyed. So this this and I didn't know what was happening, but later I found out it was the anxiety and depression. And thankfully, through God's grace, I was I was diving into the word of God. I was in prayer. I would literally slide off my bed, hit my knees first thing in the morning, because as I would wake up and just the anxiety and fear and depression, I thought, there's no way, God, that I can make it through this day. So I hit my knees first and foremost. And honestly, sometimes I miss that feeling. As much as I hated how it felt, that desperation, um, that that idea of when I'm weak, then I'm strong. Because as I reflect on that time, it's really it's really a time that I see I was never stronger, and how God was using that to soften and shape my heart. But but there was one thing that I was missing with that. So I was in the word in prayer, but I was keeping it all to myself. And as we know, Satan loves isolation. Satan loves isolation. But I was leading a team meeting at school and a panic attack hit me. I got really nauseous and I passed out. So here I am, a grown man, married, two kids. I'm the basketball coach, and and I pass out. And I remember coming to hearing Zach, Zach, Zach, and I was like, oh no, it's going to be out there now. Like, I've never felt more weak and I've never felt more vulnerable. So I actually they took me to the nurse's office, you know, those little cots they have in the nurse's office, get me that juice. They think it's my insulin levels, but I know what it is. And my brother-in-law takes me home. I just hug my wife in the kitchen and I just, I just cry. I'm like, God, what what's what's going on? Like, what am I going to do? What am I going to tell people tomorrow? And I remember the next day I walked in and in my journal I wrote, God use me. God, just use me. And I went in and I talked to my principal. I said, I'm struggling with anxiety and depression. And he said, Zach, out of all the people in this school, you're the last person I would have expected to be going through something like that. Because everything looked fine on the outside. So I cried in my principal's office. Again, a grown man. Then I walked to my classroom and another teacher, Mr. Long, saw me. He said, Hey, you all right? I heard something happened yesterday. You alright? So I told him my story, and he said, I've been there. I've been there. And and right there, we hugged too. And so I was just so encouraged. And this thing I was trying to hide, the moment it came to light, I actually felt I felt relief. I felt peace. Like I needed to bring people along with me.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Yeah, man. Ain't that God? That like it's so crazy too, because of that isolation, man. The isolation is a beast. But then you realize I'm not alone. You know? Yeah. And once you bring it to the table, so many more people can join you at that table. And it loses the weight, bro. It really does. Because I've been yeah, yeah. I've been I've been to a point where I will I couldn't leave the house. Like I wouldn't be able to even, you know, and it and it got to the point where I would force myself out, and then when I got out, I'd be uncomfortable. And so yeah, man, it's it's not a place to be.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

I would, yeah. I would actually start to almost well, I I wasn't sure if I was sick or not, but we'd have these plans with my wife, and then I'd be like, no, I'm not feeling well. And then I just I just quit going out, and I thought, man, that there's no way I'm gonna feel normal again. So then I actually remember going to the doctor and getting the diagnosis on paper. It said generalized anxiety disorder, and it said depression. And I remember sitting on the side of my bed looking at that, and I'm like, man, this is this is just who I am. This is who I'm gonna be. And I would call it my anxiety, I would call it my depression. And I started to put my identity in that. And I was like, no, no, that's wrong. That so that was a little earlier. I tried to put my identity in that. And I was like, no, my identity is in the word of God. Um, that's the truth of who tells me who I am. And that, I mean, that's the only mirror we need to look in, that bare word of God that is the absolute truth. And I remember a good friend of mine, when I started opening up to people, he talked about Jesus. And the night before his death, when he went to the Garden of Gethsemane, he didn't go alone. He brought people along with him. So he asked me, Who's coming with you? And that's what I want to challenge all the listeners. No matter what you're going through, even if things are going well, who's coming with you? Who are you surrounding yourself with? Because Satan loves isolation, and we just need to surround ourselves with people who keep pointing us in the direction of Jesus. Yeah, absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

He can bear all the burdens, man. And, you know, I didn't I didn't even come to know Christ till about nine years ago. And so I went through life my whole life, not knowing who he was, but still having this problem with this anxiety and depression and um just like all over the place because I didn't know where that was coming from. I couldn't even identify it because I didn't slow down enough to go to a doctor to get the diagnosis, like even that, even to that point. But once I came to Christ, all of that ceased, man. Like it was insane. Now I'm not saying it doesn't come up sometimes, but remembering scripture, remembering that I am in Christ, I am more than a conqueror, that I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength, and like keeping that stuff to the forefront of my mind has helped me to overcome day by day. So yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah, I love, I love, I love when Jesus was tempted in the desert, he said, it is the way he responded to Satan was, it is written. And then he quoted scripture. Yeah, and like we need to be constantly, no matter what comes our way, we need to be saying, It is written, do not be anxious about anything. Um it is with it is written, um, do not fear. And we just need to keep repeating. If you're struggling with lust, it is written, even a man who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery. Like, no matter what pops up in our life, we need to be able to say, it is written and followed by the truth, the the word of God.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

You will not be overcome with any temptation that you that he will not make a way out of. I'm quoting that wrong right now, but like you will not uh be tempted without a way to escape it. Uh so yeah, man. Uh it's all in there. That's the thing. There every single thing that us humans struggle with is in the word of God. Period. If you're willing to surrender to it, if you're willing to apply it, man, it can change some things. Uh so yeah, internally and externally, because when you start changing internally, externally, automatically things start to change. You know?

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Yeah, that's what, and that's that that was part of my story. Like one time when I was 18 years old, my grandfather was a car dealer and he loved a clean car. So one time I got my car really shined up and I wanted to impress him. I even waxed it. I pulled to the top of the driveway because he would always come out and look at our cars. So he walked around the outside and it looked really good, but then he did something I wasn't expecting. He opened my door handle and an empty water bottle fell on the ground. And he said, Zach, the outside looks great, but don't forget to take care of the inside. Because what's inside us eventually comes outside of us. And my mom has always said, garbage in, garbage out. What are we putting in? It's eventually going to be coming out. And that's why my dad always said, Be in the word, memorize it, because that's what we want to overflow out of us.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Yeah, man, that's and that plays out even with music, TV, you know, movies, like all the stuff I used to watch and listen to is completely different from what I actually take joy in watching now. Like stuff I would never have watched back in the day. I would have never watched certain things I watched because it would have been boring to me. But now I choose to feed the spirit over feeding the flesh. And so, yeah, it does. It flushes that stuff out. Interests change, uh, desires change. Like, yeah, man, the the spirit is powerful, bro. The Holy Spirit will will really move some stuff around. So I want to talk about like I'm in the middle uh right now, I've been writing uh my my book for like a year, okay? And I keep getting stuck. I'll get I'll stop and uh because am I saying too much? Um, am I not saying enough? Um and so I want to ask you this like uh on this journey, you've started writing, and and man, it's good stuff, I gotta say. Um, where like that takes courage to me for transparency to be able to open yourself up authentically and uh and present that to the world, uh you're basically approaching the world naked. You're like, here, this is me. Um, this is these are my thoughts, this is how I process stuff. Like, where did that come into play and why? Why all of a sudden did that come into play?

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Yeah, during my my heartache, during my difficulties, I started the journal, and I would just write write my thoughts down. And I like think about the Psalms in the Bible. Uh with like I think a lot of King David just just writing down. And what I love about that is you you're writing your thoughts, you're writing your feelings and your emotions, but then you're tying it back into truth. And so I just I just fell in love with journaling, just spilling my heart because I think sometimes we don't slow down enough to do the thinking. We're we're always so busy moving from one thing to the next and just being able to slow down, get our thoughts down on paper. It even it really helped me process. And because I love it. My first devotional I wrote, Leading with a Humble Heart, a 40-day devotional for leaders. I didn't even know it was going to be a book. I just started writing in a journal. And then I think it's it's it's about finding those habits, those small disciplines done consistently that lead to the results. Because it's really cool when you have a notebook, just I prefer to start when I write, I prefer pen and paper. Oh, it's like I write I write better that way. Like I and then when I I almost the moment I touch technology, a computer or phone, I feel a little bit distracted. But when I just have my pen, when I have my notebook and my mind, the Holy Spirit, you can just write. And and then I I just write, and then I and then I started to make it a goal as I continue to write maybe 500 words a day. You know, Bob, Bob Golf, he'll tell you, write 1,000 bad words a day. And he doesn't really mean bad words, but just get words down. Sometimes we wait to try to have the perfect words to go on paper. We'll be able to make them better at some point, but it's about just getting started in those daily disciplines of getting words down on paper.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Yeah, yeah, I like that. Um, so when you f when you uh first got your your first uh book out there, did you feel was there anxiety that came up, vulnerability? Was there like a oh my goodness, I did it, I'm celebrating me finally? Uh or was it what like what was that? Was there like mixed mixed emotions in that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

I think mix I think mixed emotions is a great yeah, I think mixed emotions is a great way to describe it. I remember I was actually by myself. Like you think this book comes out, you you think it's all uh, but I was just at home by myself when it came out. And I went into my daughter's room and I actually remember hitting my knees in prayer, like thanking God for the opportunity that that book is now out there. And but I remember feeling vulnerable because oftentimes, let's say you have something out there, you can always hit delete on things. You can always hit delete. But when a book is published, you can't hit delete, it's out there. And so I just whenever I whenever I go to speak somewhere, I always just pray for my heart and I pray for the heart of those that are reading it or those that are hearing it, that it can connect with them in some way. And that's why in my writing I try to do a lot of everyday storytelling, whether it's in my role as a principal, a father, a husband, a coach, but then connecting it to scripture.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

So so uh how old are you, Zach? If you don't mind my age, so I'm 39.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

I'm 39. I'm almost four, I'm almost 40. By the time some people by the time some people listen to this, I'll probably be 40. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Um so how long how long was that transition from teacher to principal? Like what what what did that look like?

SPEAKER_00 16:41

So I taught for eight years. I it's pretty cool. I was a high sch I was a high school teacher for three years, middle school teacher for five years, a high school assistant principal, elementary assistant principal, elementary principal. Now I'm a high school principal. So I've seen all levels. And you know, you you talked about the video in the intro. I have this video that goes viral, like 376 million views, 24 million likes. It unreal, this this big viral moment. But what I've really learned, it's about like those small moments that make a difference. Where people reached out to me and they like thousands of people can name that specific person or moment that impacted their life. But then also I received hundreds of messages of people that are it's really sad. They said that's all I needed. I want I needed one person to notice me, and my whole life could have been different. That one fist bump, they said that's the fist bump I never knew I needed. And it's just that idea of people wanting to be noticed in the trajectory it can have. And I remember I went out with um Dream Big and to visit San Quentin, and we sat around, we sat around in in those chairs having small. Yeah, yeah. And I remember just hearing from some of those guys, they needed that moment when they were a kid. And the trajectory of their and the trajectory of their life could have been different. Some of those people were told in there, some of those guys were told, hey, you're never going to amount to anything.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

And so not only were they, not only did they not feel seen, some of them were actually pushed down. And so I'm in a school a teacher uh principal, but what's interesting, like as I was in San Quentin, there's a lot of trauma early on for the guys in there. And and and we see that we see that every day in schools, trying to work with kids. We talk about bricks in a backpack. They come in with these heavy backpacks with all these bricks of the things going on in their life, and our our job is to see that and try to unpack those bricks so that they can walk around a little bit lighter.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

I love it because you doing it doing it where you're at is gonna prevent people from going into St. Quentin.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Uh yeah, that I mean that that's that's that's what I felt as I was in there because I was I was able to see it from my role, my my role, and just like uh like almost picturing all the uh those gentlemen in there and seeing them as kids and what what could what could have been. Of course, God is in control and God is sovereign uh over everything, but how God uses people in the lives of others and and the impact that they can have to walk alongside each other.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Yeah, it's uh God God does things so amazingly higher than our thoughts, our ways, you know, in Jeremiah 20 29 11. Like he is, he's so above and beyond anything that we can can fathom. And then when it happens, we're amazed. But then we go, well, look at the God we serve. Why are we amazed? Yeah, like you know what I mean? He's he's pretty incredible, and especially when we choose to stand on truth and walk in truth and integrity and all of these characteristics of Christ, man. Um yeah. So I just I just uh I gotta say kudos, man, because what you're doing, uh like I said, had it had it happened uh to me and some of the kids I grew up with, we wouldn't have ended up the way we did. Um, which I can't say now, you know, I can't complain the way I ended up because once God came in, boy, he turned things around. You know what I mean? Um But uh yeah, man, uh uh Favorite verse. Let's get that. What's your favorite verse uh in the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah, uh it's John 15 5, where Jesus says, I'm the vine, you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit. Apart from me, you can do nothing. And I just think about that, and I just think about it all the time. Like, apart from me, you can do nothing. And and how we're we're called to go out there and bear fruit. Um, but we we are that branch that we need to stay connected to the vine. And I think it's Jeremiah 17, 7 through 8, where he talks about you know, sending the roots out by the stream. And then when heat comes and drought comes, we won't we won't be phased because we're still connected there to that that root. We're rooted. Um, so that's a huge part. And I just I keep thinking actually back as we're talking about my trip to San Quentin.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, and I wish I was I don't wish I was still there, but like I wish I was there when you had come in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yeah, but but I remember as I walked away, like it's almost hard to explain. There's all this noise out here in the world, but there was just like this, there's this peace in there. And with the with these with these guys I was around, these guys who aren't distracted by the yes, they're um, you know, they're consequences for decisions made, and I understand that. But there's but how God works, there's just this peace of these guys now are they're reading the word, they're writing. They don't they're not distracted by phones or all the noise. No, yeah, there's this, there's just this peace that I felt in there, and I was like, wow, this is amazing. The world uh outside the walls is saying, hey, they're getting what they deserve. And it it uh inside I just I just see Jesus. I see God at work with through his grace and his mercy and his forgiveness, and you can see it. And I remember one guy I was talking to, he said, I know God has forgiven me, but I'm struggling to forgive myself. And when I can't forgive myself, I'm putting myself above God because he's already forgiven me. Uh I met another guy in there, it's this is taking me back right now, and he his big dream, we talked about what are our big dreams, and his dreams, his his daughters were older, but his big dream was to one day his daughters give him a world's greatest dad coffee mug because he felt like he let them down. And then I just thought about we have the world's greatest dad, our heavenly father. Um but god, yeah, yeah, no, God is good.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yeah, there's times, Zach, where I'm out here in the chaos of life. Um and I I go, man, I wish I was back at St. Queen. And that's crazy. That's scary to scary to think that way, but it wasn't about uh wishing to be in prison. It was wishing to be as free as I was from all of the chaos and and the the relationship that I was able to develop with Christ in there was next none next to none, man. You couldn't you couldn't get it because like you said, there was no technological distractions, there was no none of the noise, man. It was me and God and prayer, meditation, and journaling, and the studying, and you know, uh iron sharpening iron, like everybody testing each other, asking questions and feeding each other, and like really getting to know this Lord that we all serve. And when we come out here, I didn't I wasn't getting that. And so I was like, wait, something's missing, man. Something's missing in the church, something's missing. And the the thing that's missing is that that solitude, that um not not isolation, but solitude from the distracted, because the enemy is at work with all of this stuff. Yeah, that's why I feel it so strongly to infiltrate the social media pushing even a scripture on there and pushing it out, something positive, something pointing to Jesus. Yeah, because the enemy's constantly at work trying to lead people astray. Uh, so it's we're we're in a war, man. We're we're in a mission, and I know it's for eternity and for souls eternity. Uh, so yeah, I I do not take it lightly. Um man, and and yeah, uh what a what a blessing that as as horrible as I saw myself, as worthless as I saw myself, as useless as I saw myself, God chose me. Um and that's insane to me, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Um last summer, my wife and I, we we got away, um, just blessed to be able to go on a 15-year wedding anniversary trip to Italy. And we were we saw yeah, we saw the statue of David. This just this beautiful sculpture. But what's pretty crazy is um lining lining the hallway leading up to the statue of David are Michelangelo's unfinished works. And it just looks, it looks like people are stuck and just frozen. And how often we feel like that. Like we feel stuck and frozen here, but God is at work in us, and he's not going to leave us unfinished. Even as great as Michelangelo was, he left work unfinished. God, God is at work, and He is He is shaping us to perfection through everything that we're going through in life, whether it's celebrations, whether it's difficulties. Um, we're we're called to rejoice with those who rejoice and mourn with those who mourn. But but God is at work and He's He's creating something perfect in us and He's chiseling us, and sometimes that chiseling is painful. But one day we will we'll stand in front of Him just uh in perfection.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Yeah, bro, and uh He said, Count it all joy. You know, count it all joy, not this, this is joy, that joy, but not that. No, count it all joy. And I and I struggle with that, but I'm starting to understand it more and more. There was a time a little bit, I feel disconnected. Where are you, God? Like I don't hear your voice like I used to. I don't, you know, uh well, you're not seeking me like you used to, Kevin. Yeah, why you know, and so the more I start doing that, I realize, well, he's shaping, he's molding, he's building, he's reconstructing, he's taking these broken things and making a mosaic, man. Um so yeah, it's it it's uh it's pretty incredible what what God can do to the listeners, y'all. Uh, if you do not know Jesus Christ, I I could not there's nothing else I would ever tell you except I encourage you to just surrender your heart to him and let him do this amazing work that he can do with anybody. Um Zach, I have uh one more question. This is a question I ask every guest. And that question is if you could go back and say something to your younger self, what would you say? And I know we all you know say that. Oh, if I could go back, but like really, you had you, if you had that chance right now to go back and say something to your younger self, what would it say? What would you say?

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Yeah, I think that the first thing that came to my mind was follow the word, not the world. Follow the word, not the world. And I think it's just it's it's so easy to get drawn into the world. What whether it is social media, music, movies, uh things we're doing, places we're going. We think, oh, because I'm a 17-year-old teenager, I need to be doing this, or because I'm in my early 20s, I need to be doing this, because that's what the world tells us. But we need to be focused right there on what the word tells us. And because, and and I know we keep going back to that, but that's the truth. But the the world will lead us astray. We'll think we think we're following the right place, but we end up lost, we end up farther from where we started. But the word leads us right where we need to be. What a blessing, bo.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Praise God. And it does too. Yeah, I mean, it'll it'll yeah, it'll lead us astray so far that uh we think we can't come back, we think we're hopeless, we're broken, all of these things. It's a lie, it's a lie from the pit of hell. That's why when you turn the other way and you walk in the opposite direction toward Jesus Christ, things will change. Can change and will change. It's a matter, it's a co-operation. You gotta coexist with Christ and watch what happens. Uh yeah, amen. So, yeah, my brother man, I appreciate you coming on. Um, and y'all heard it here on uh basic conversations. But first, hold on, before I even do that, Zach, where can people find your books? Uh, find your social media. How can they uh check you out, man?

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Yeah, so on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, you can look Zach Bowermaster at Z Bowermaster. Also, you can go to wwwzachbauermaster.com. There's information there on my books, on my speaking. There's a little bit more about me and my family. And then my books are all available on Amazon.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Praise God, man. So y'all heard to hear. Yeah. Y'all heard here. Zach, man, again, I thank you. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time out of your day. I know you're a busy man. You got a family, you got you got all kinds of uh stuff pulling at you, man. And I pray that uh the Spirit of God continues to lead you and guide you in all that you say, think, and do, brother. You are gonna reach millions more. And uh I pray that uh each individual that you come in contact with receives what you are putting out, man. Um and yeah, so I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

And so y'all truly truly truly humbled. Appreciate this. I'm walking away encouraged, so I appreciate it very much.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Man, likewise, my brother, likewise. So y'all heard it here uh on basic conversations. I'm brother Boston. Until next time.