Ep 10 - Purpose at the Intersection - How Prayer, God's protection and Healing reached others.

In this part two conversation on the 3 Doves Podcast, Jason interviews Wayne Schwartz about how God “lined up” events surrounding Rachel’s wedding and the serious car accident afterward. Wayne describes feeling a shock wave during the crash and believes God healed and protected him—leaving him without even a bruise—so he could stay near Rachel, mobilize prayer, and support his family. He shares how thousands of people and churches prayed, how he intentionally forgave the driver to avoid hindering prayer, and how family members and hospital staff experienced encouragement and healing through prayer and confession (James 5:16). Wayne also recounts earlier trials with infertility, Rachel’s high-risk pregnancy, and personal struggles, emphasizing faith over fear, staying “in the day,” and urging men to lead spiritually through prayer, Scripture, and consistent living. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome everybody to the Three Doves Podcast. I'm your host, Jason Pulowski. And on today's episode, Wayne Schwartz shares a powerful story of faith through crisis, forgiveness, and how God moved through prayer, protection, and purpose in the middle of it all. I'm sitting here with Wayne Schwartz for what I would call, Wayne, a part two to the story that hasn't been told because we ran kind of short on time last time together. That's correct, Jason. Yes. Wayne, thank you so much for being a part of the Three Doves podcast. Well, um, Wayne, you were starting to tell us a story uh about the birds. And your daughter touched on how she loves birds, Rachel.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Yes, Rachel loves birds and loves and loves to take pictures of birds.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Yeah, yeah. She had like how many birds on her phone now? I don't know, was it 17,000 pictures like that? I think it was 16 to 17,000. And I asked her if she had 12,000 doves on there because I was trying to push that three doves. But uh so tell me about what happened um in the other part of the story where uh you just started to see God line up things basically. You saw God moving uh at the wedding with something that caught your attention.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah, so my brother-in-law, Eric, was down and he shared a story with us about the morning of the of the wedding, the morning, the day of the accident, and he shared he was in his backyard and with, you know, has a lot of woods, and and he was on down his trails, and the birds were chirping so loud, and so many birds chirping, they goes, I never heard that many that mu that amount of sound ever. Wow. Or since then. Okay. And it corn, you know, and Rachel now just loves birds. And she she every morning she looks out her window to take pictures of birds, yeah, and she looks for birds, and she's just connected with that, even has a little puzzle book that went with birds, and she just she's she loves her birds.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

She does. Um and I'm I'm pretty sure if you did a slideshow with her birds, we could sit there for probably what, a couple days? Oh yeah. Wayne, what um uh okay, so you you go to the wedding, it was a great wedding. You guys had a great time. It's a beautiful wedding. We've already talked about the the accident, but there were some miracles that were happening. Um, one of the main miracles that I think we just barely touched on was it during the accident when you got hit. Tell me about that. What how how you saw God protecting you so and and then right?

SPEAKER_01 2:38

As we mentioned before, when we hit the pole, which was the second hit, that I thought was the first hit, there was a shock wave. Actually, we hit the pole, it was a shockwave that came through the back of the car, hit me in the right hip, it burned, then it started moving. And as it moved behind it, it didn't hurt. And then I felt this power leave my right knee, and after that, I don't remember crashing into anything, I don't remember jerking around, I don't remember hitting anything.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

What do you mean by power leaving your knee? Because I'm I'm just asking as an outsider looking, can you describe that with that?

SPEAKER_01 3:16

So the power and that's basically the only way I can really explain it because it was it was pretty intense. But when it was intense as it was moving through, but you could feel like it flow. As it flowed, it there was nothing behind it except for peace. And when it left, it was no pain. Wow. And that's only thing I remember from the crash. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Do you think there's a reason the Lord put us uh a pin in that for you?

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Uh oh now, yeah, definitely. Right? You know, so without that healing, as we mentioned in the last podcast, I would have probably been sent to a different hospital. Um, I wouldn't be um able to call on people to pray as I did. I wouldn't be able to be next to Rachel as I was. And we were able to call in my two uncles, um, other family members to come in, my brother, his wife, to come in to pray with us, support us, um, and be around Rachel at her bedside.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

So, Wayne, God basically healed you so that you could continue to do what he's calling you into in this place, correct? Correct.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

So after Rachel was put in the room and she was stable, then I went to the ER to get myself checked out. Okay. I did have some back pain at that moment. Um, and they did an MRI on me or CT scans, that type of thing. And just to see if there's anything wrong. And the doctor said, Wayne, you don't have a scratch or a bruise, and absolutely nothing's wrong. Are you kidding? No.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Not even a single Not even a bruise. It wasn't even a little scratch. We I've sent the pictures out there. Um, I put the pictures out there on TikTok, I put it on Instagram, I put on our Facebook page. Um, that car was pretty mangled, bro. And you walked away with a not even a scratch.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Not even a scratch. There was glass blown, the girls had glass in their hair and then in their skin. Um and Lord protected Michelle really well too, yeah, through this whole thing. Tell me more about that. She had some bruising, yeah, and she had some soreness, but she was able to get up and do everything she needed to do as a mom. Wow. Yeah, and she did a great job.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

When you were in the car, uh going back to the vehicle, I'm gonna backtrack for a second because there was something you you were able to unbuckle yourself, you said, or correct remove the seatbelt and go in the back. What was the first thing that came to your mind? Because you you kind of just told the story of the action of just getting back there, but what what what was going on there with you?

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Yeah, as soon as I was aware, I guess that's a good word for it. Yeah, um, my first immediate reaction was the girls. Yeah. Were they okay? Wow. And I just jumped right back there.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Um, love of a father, right? That's what I say. Yeah, that's what I saw. And that's why I wanted you to share that because you know, your first instinct wasn't, hey, am I okay? You jumped to the back for them. Right. And that that right there, Wayne, um, knowing who you are, I've known you for some years because we did some ministry together back in the day. But that's who I've always seen you be. And it's no surprise to me, but to the listeners, they may go, Well, I probably would have checked myself, maybe, you know, see if I'm okay. Right. But your first reaction was, I gotta jump in the backseat.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Right, right. Yeah. And when I did, that's what I saw, then I reacted. Yeah. Then my wife came to soon after that, and she was able to help me. Well, she's got medical training, is that correct? Correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

My wife's an occupational therapist. Okay. So she has enough training to go, you know, I can apply, I can do this, you know, if needed. But the officer was there right away. Which again Which is a was a miracle. Miracle. Right. I mean, y you hear the story before and you go, God aligned everything, even though okay, and this is where I think people need have a hard time. And even I will be honest with you, even as a a seasoned Christian like you, a believer. Um, or what we call ourselves, what do we call ourselves disciples. Disciples. It's different, right? Right. Um, we're followers. But this is where I kind of go, wow, everything was lined up because he had to have known this was gonna happen. Right. Well, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Exactly. He knew exactly what's gonna happen before it happened.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

But that doesn't make you angry at God, or that didn't bring any uh anything.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

It gives me a lot of hope and gladness because he knew what was gonna happen, so he was putting things in place already before us, so it wouldn't be worse, and he limited what the enemy could do to us.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

What would you tell somebody though, who might be listening, who went through something similar with a loved one, they lost it right and now they're dealing with anger. Right. They're dealing with God, why did you do this to them and why did you do this to me? Right. What would you minister in that?

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Well, I would go back to prior um episodes of my life, you know, when we weren't able to have children, and the reason we couldn't have children was because of me. And at that at that same time, we lost 75% of our pay. I lost 50% of my pay the same year. I found out I couldn't have children. And what I thought was, how how is God gonna get the glory from this? How is God gonna get the glory from this? I need a focus on the case.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

That's a different perspective though, Wayne. That's that's that's a whole different perspective. Right. How is God gonna get the glory from this uh me from me not having the ability to have children? Right. That's why everybody else was having children, right? Okay, now okay, tell me about that.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah, yeah. All of our friends were having children. We were left behind in a sense, it fell on me, but the Lord put on my heart, how am I gonna honor God? Because this season will be, it would pass at some point, it will end at some point. So, how am I gonna honor God through these trials? How am I honored God through the storm that he gets the glory during the storm? He gets the glory after the storm.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

That's a very mature outlook, though. For most people, though, they might be angry with God at that place, especially ladies who aren't able to give their husband a son or a daughter. It is hard. It is hard. How is Michelle dealing with it? And I know she's not here on the podcast, but how is she dealing with it in the process of all this?

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Well, Michelle, through the years, as a married couple, you know, um, you help each other out. Each of us have different strengths, you know. Um, being the man in the house, being the spiritual leader of the house, you gotta be the rock. You gotta be the leader, you gotta be the man. And with that, you gotta take on the heavier burdens and trust God. And when you trust God and put God at the forefront, everything will work out. Now you just gotta trust Him in the process. I like to say you gotta walk it out. I like that. You gotta walk it out.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

I used to hear you gotta walk it off a lot in sports, you know, but walk it out a bit. You gotta walk it out, yes. Do you think that sets you up for what you were dealing with in the accident? Most definitely, most definitely.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

So it's go back to how that Yeah, so we were now in the waiting room, and I had family and friends there, and we're praying, you know, and the Lord put put on my heart to forgive the person, I didn't know who it was at the time, to forgive the person who crashed into our car, yeah, who caused this accident, who who uh was responsible for this, and to forgive them because I was worried and I didn't want anything to happen with my prayers that they would be hindered. And through ministry years prior, I knew unforgiveness was a very uh um it's it's one of the enemy's favorite tools to use against you.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

Amen on that. Yeah, I can agree with you 100% on that. Um you know, as you say that, you know, I I go back in my mind too to different places I had to forgive people in my life. Same here. Because you're right, we don't want our prayers hindered. And go a little bit further in that um biblically, go into the with the scripture because Wayne, if there's anything I know about you, is you go right into the word. And I love it when you dig in there. But there's verses that are.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Well, that says the Lord says, you know, if you don't forgive others, I won't forgive you. Now, through salvation, all your sins are forgiven, but you know, past, present, and future, right? Yeah. But in the flesh, you know, we're dealing with the flesh also. We're always at battle with the spirit and the flesh, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

And the flesh, you know, you have unforgiveness in the flesh, which doesn't make you right with God. If it doesn't make you right with God, then you're gonna have a problem being right with other people. And then if you're not right with other people, you're not gonna pray for other people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

It's almost like this thing that uh if I don't unforgive, if I don't if I don't forgive you, I can protect myself from you. Right. Right? You think so? Now well, we've talked about this before. Anger, um and I know this is a different podcast because it's more than just interviewing. We're we're actually just gonna dialogue here on this podcast. This is more of Wayne and I catching up on some really cool truths that God showed him during the accident. But in anger is also another emotion that we use to push people back so we have somewhat of a control mechanism.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Well, that's correct. Didn't we we think we're by not forgiving them, we think we're uh getting back at them. Right? But really revenge is mindset.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

But really, you're not forgiving them, yeah, actually.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

You know, it makes you, you know, it doesn't do well for your health for one thing, your spiritual health or your physical health. But when you do forgive them, even though you know, when you forgive them, doesn't mean that you're giving them permission of what they did was right. That's a good point. It has nothing to do with that. Still hurt. It still hurts, yeah. But when you forgive them, it gives you the ability to soften your heart so you can pray for them. And when you're able to pray for them, the bitterness leaves.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Um, there's a movie, The Shack. Remember that movie came out and uh there's a point in the movie where the man uh has to forgive the murderer, the killer of his daughter. Right, right. An innocent little girl. Right. And so the time it comes to that place in the movie, the um personification of God is in a man now, a fatherly figure, taking him on a walk of what they called forgiveness. Right. And so did you find yourself in your heart having to forgive multiple times in this? Um was there other things that God was honing in you in the forgiveness I've done?

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Well, it's interesting with part of the forgiveness. Um, my son-in-law, Alex. Okay, so the accident happened Sunday night. He flew in from Lake Wales, Florida. He got there that morning, and he was by Rachel's bedside the whole time, and he also forgave the person. Wow. And he's been instrumental and about forgiveness, and we've been on the same page the whole time about forgiving this person, and he had no bitterness in his heart towards this person. Then we found it was a young girl, a young lady, and our heart went out for her also, and he had no bitterness the whole time with that, and he still doesn't. He still forgives any any praise, and he has ready to rededicated his life to the Lord. He has um he has been by Rachel's bedside the whole time. He's been with we've been with each other for 17 months now. Wow. Yeah, it's been 17 months. So we're you know, this young man, they've only been married seven months. I did the wedding. Yeah, and he has been steadfast for Rachel.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

You can't see it at home, you can't see it on the podcast, but I see it in your eyes. I see the welling up of the tears there. Because tell me about what you're feeling there.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Yeah, and you know, Alex, he he he really goes, you know, I wasn't the spiritual air at home. He he changed that. He's reading through his Bible, he's praying like a prayer warrior, he is he's he's doing everything that a husband should do for his wife, only being married seven months. Yeah, right? Yeah, and with all the challenges, all the temptations, everything with it, yeah. He stood steadfast and he believes that God's gonna heal her. And he was been an instrumental part of this whole process of of Rachel's healing, and he's still doing a great job. You know, he's doing a great job, and and he's endured, you know, he's endured, and with that's because he forgave. Yeah, and he and he trusts God, and God's been setting him apart also through this process. This other man now 27. He was 25 before that, right? Yeah, now 27, yeah, still walking strong again, stronger in the Lord, you know, and that's the testimony of when you have unforgiveness, will you will not grow. It will hinder your growth. If you do you have forgiveness, you will grow in your situation. Doesn't mean the situation is not going to be easy, but you won't have those barriers there between you and God for the healing that you need to receive. That's good.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

That's really good. Um when you were in the midst of this accident after the accident, you're in the hospital now, you've gotten treated, you're up the par uh the best you could be. I mean barely a scratch, but they checked you anyway. I am not sure. A little bit of back pain. I wasn't even sore than that stage. Back pain could have been just the age, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Wait, well, it can be age. It it was funny. I mean, it's it's not funny, but No, it's not, but we can do that now because Well, yeah, and it's I mean, but it after the that morning, I was not sore at all. That's incredible. And I'm still not sore. That's incredible. And we, you know, we we stayed in Rachel's room every night. Uncomfortable chair that they give you. Well, it was a bed chair. Bed chair. Um, but we were very, very thankful. Yeah. And it was that we had, you know, blankets, but we could be right by Rachel's side, which we needed to. Yeah. Um, there's many times I had to call the prayer warriors in about one o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Wow. Tell me more about the prayer warriors. Tell me uh just get some more detail around that for us, could you? Because um, all we talked about in the last episode was you sent out a text and you call them your prayer warriors. Right. And right. And eventually you put me on that list, like we talked about. And I got on looking at all these texts coming through, and I'm like, whoa, that's a lot of emojis. And I'm like, I can tell right now. Which is my wife doesn't know what this is. I was gonna say it, Wayne, but I'm like, I know Wayne can't make doesn't do that many emojis. I'm like, this has gotta be I don't do emojis at all. But it was so sweet because you know, she's conveying the emotion behind the text with the emojis, and it made just uh it made it come to life so that we could really feel and understand what was going on in the situation, right? Which is great, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:50

But but tell me about the prayer warriors. Well, so the prayer warriors, you know, it's um this part of the bridge of the song I wrote about this the event, it's called Testimony. And the prayer warriors is a song? Correct. You did. Yes. That's incredible, Wayne. Yeah, it's it it describes the whole song, it describes our event. Wow. In the bridge part of the song, um, we talk about the army of God. The God uses army, right? And so, you know, I have to say, you know, my uh two uncles, Uncle Jim, Uncle Ray, you know, my my brother Rick, you know, my sister Janice, my brother Bruce, you know, Eric, you know, my brother-in-law Eric, and his family and his parents and stuff, um extended, you know, my Aunt Barb. Just there's so many people to name that has been praying. So we put out the text to everybody, and then they put out tests to everybody, and then I had all my friends here back here and here in Cape Coral putting out tests, and they even went to a church in India, went to a church in you know in the Carolinas, you know, it went to different churches, and they're sending out to all the churches. I don't know how many thousands of people that was praying for Rachel. That's incredible. And you know, this this couple of updates ago, one thing that just really dawned on me, because we're very specific, you know, as you see our text, right? Our updates are very specific on the prayers. Yes, you were. And when it when the body of Christ can agree together on these prayers and come together and really pray, God's hand is moving on that. There's a there's a blessing with that, you know. Um, how God does things, only God knows. Yeah, and why he does things, only God knows. Only Lord knows. You know, we've been through you know, a lot of events in our lives, right? We've seen God's hand do different things, and and a lot of times we go, well, that's not how I would have planned it.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Right, right? But it was better. Yeah, it's way better. Way better, right? Way better, you know. It didn't feel good. No, it felt like hell, but we went through it, and the other side of it we got stronger, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:00

You got stronger to the point where you know, if you're in a sailboat and you have the sail up, right, and you take the rudder out of the water. And the Holy Spirit talks about it like a wind sometimes, you know. And if you're on this, uh if your life is like the sailboat and you have your your you know, the sails up, yeah, you're catching the Holy Spirit, and let the Holy Spirit guide you to what you need to do, all you have to do is be ready.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

And so the Holy Spirit was guiding the prayer warriors, right? Right. Aligning their hearts, all of our hearts, to pray for Rachel, to pray for Emma, to pray for you, to pray for Michelle, to pray for wisdom, to pray for the doctors, to pray for the nurses. I mean, the anesthesiologists to the CAT scan folks. Right. I mean, God was doing amazing things in that. What are a few key stories or key instances you had where you were like, wow, Lord, that that was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

That was amazing in that. So, South Bend, it felt like it was a mission. Field in different states. Okay. So South Bend has started off with my uncle, and he and he's the one that was already in bed. You know, he took his medicine to sleep and stuff. And he gets the call, you know, and it's raining outside. It's dark. I didn't realize his eyes are dim. And, you know, he's a man of God, but he's a tough ombre man. You know, so he got up, I'm going. And he just didn't go. He came all the way from Colin, Michigan, all the way to South Bend. Then he went and picked up my wife from the other aside. It's not a short drive. No. No. On the rain, and he comes back and he does all this stuff, right? You know, that's my that's my dad's brothers. And he did all this. And later on within this, you know, after another visit, we got talking and he shared something that was on his mind, which God brought a verse up in my in my mind. It was something that, you know, he was struggling with. And we talked about what that was. Wow. And he was willing to do a James 5.16. Tell me about James 5.16 real quick. If I could read it to you. Yeah, go right ahead. Right. It says uh James 5.16, confess your trespasses, which is your sins, yeah, to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Healed. Healed. Key word. Not maybe healed. Healed. Healed. So when he prayed and identified what that was, what scripture said, what he was was not doing, and he asked the Lord to forgive him. And then I prayed over him with my cousin David, who prayed with him. He was delivered in the healer from that past.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

So he knew the issue was. Right. He just needed to confess it. He needed to let it go up. And it was holding it. He needed to name it. To name it. That is a big one. You gotta name it. And he releases it to God. And you guys pray over him in love.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Well, we were talking about unforgiveness, right? Yeah. So if you have unforgiveness and if that's the root, gotcha. You know, the other, you know, um parts of that plant would be, you know, bitterness towards others, envy, maybe envy, jealousy, maybe hatred for other people. But the root of the problem was unforgiveness. Unforgiveness.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

So you gotta name the root. Yeah. So when you take out a weed, you gotta pull it all out and gotta get the roots out, right?

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Yeah. It's interesting how we know what the root is. We really do. We we do know. It's the Holy Spirit's job, right? Right. To just give us that to reveal it. That's right. To give us that push to go, I gotta confess it. And you know, that that is absolutely truth, um, James 5.16, by the way, because there's many instances in my life and um where I had to do many times, you know, confess my sin. Sometimes it's like, hey, son, I'm sorry that I was angry with you. Right. That's confessing my sin right there. I was mad at you because it was about my selfishness in the moment. Right. There it is. There you go. I just confessed it. Um, and so he confesses it, you pray, and something switches.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

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SPEAKER_01 26:09

He's healed from not being obedient to a calling that Lord put on his heart. That's amazing. And so within that, after time went on a little bit, his wife, we're talking my aunt, Aunt Sandy, which is a beautiful lady, Aunt Sandy. Wow. You know, she goes, you know, Wayne, she goes, I was at first, you know, I didn't want I didn't want Uncle Ray to go. I didn't want, I didn't want him to leave the house because it was so I was scared for him. And she goes, now I'm so glad that he did go. Because he has changed from night to day.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

You know, there's a sermon in that. Think about that. Yeah. He risked and went forward when everybody probably would have said, It's the worst thing you can do, Uncle, don't go there. Don't get out, don't go in the weather, it's dark, your sights too. He had every excuse in the book to stay home. But but something, not something, we know what it is, was drawing him and giving him the ability to go.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Yeah, my Uncle Ray has a big heart. There it is. And he loves. And he he will, you know, the Schwartz family, one thing about the Schwartz family are a very large family, and they will do anything for each other.

unknown 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

He has a large heart and he and he really deeply loves the Lord.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

And I also see a picture there, too, that even though he had something that wasn't confessed, the Lord is still greater than that. Right. And is still propelling him and persuading him to come to see you guys so that he can have healing in that place.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

And it was because of the accident. Yeah. Not because of conversation we were having.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Yeah. Which the Lord revealed it. Which is still like you go, you know, most people will be like, not seeing that, but you see that. Right. You see that in retrospect that because of this, these chains are hap breaking.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

And that was a journey for him because later on, you know, maybe a couple weeks later, he has a dream. Really? My uncle had a dream, and when he came to visit um Rachel to pray over Rachel, he shared with me about this dream he had um in Rachel's room. And so after his visit with her, and and we had a lot of visitors come see Rachel, and every visitor that came was praying over Rachel. Wow. I think that really needs to be stated because every we had we didn't schedule our visitors. We talked, I think we talked about that a little bit in the last podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

What you said was they said all of a sudden the the one of the nurses or doctors asked you, I think it was a nurse, yeah. Are you scheduling this?

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Because they come at perfect time. Right. I mean, so you know, my cousins, uh, you know, a lot of my cousins are pastors, you know, Kurt Hooley and Clint Schwartz and and and other cousins and and aunts and uncles would come in and friends, but when they would come in, they would come over and pray over Rachel. You know, they would just pray over Rachel. So we always had somebody in the room with Rachel, but it was a it was a room of prayer. That's awesome. So with my Uncle Ray, we we go out into the waiting room with my sister Janice, and we were sitting talking and he starts sharing, he just starts sharing about this dream. And within this dream, the Lord put on my heart some strongholds. And so, you know, the Lord has over the years has given me the ability to um pinpoint stuff. And so he was naming these strongholds, you know. Sure. And at sure he's finished sharing because a lot of time with healing, yeah, you have to share. Sure. And some people it's it's really quick. I mean five minutes, and they they know what it is. We pray, boom, they are healed and they're moving forward, right? Yeah, and sometimes you gotta work through the process a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

So he was able to do this from my sister, Janice, and his his wife. Wow. So he's not hidden anywhere, he's out in the open with this. He did the first one with his wife there and my cousin, and and you know, which you gotta humble yourself before the Lord for him to lift you up. There you go. Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

So he does. He he starts sharing that. We we prayed through different points of that. He asked the Lord forgive him on different points. Um, we prayed over that, he was delivered from that. It's so good. And so there, yeah, right there in South Bend, he was a big story, but we were going through these situations, and God just continued to bring people to us, and things start changing. And some of the, you know, sometimes was a lot of times it was Rachel's room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

And all of a sudden, you had mentioned that that room was down at like the end of the hall. And yeah, this one was in the hall. No one would have any reason to go down that far.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Well, this the South Bend, it was right by the double doors entering in. Okay. So it was the first room to the right. Okay. In Iowa, Iowa. Iowa was it was a yeah, there was a hall that she was by the entry, the four-year area. Okay. But the two chairs I was talking about was on the end.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Okay, gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

So, but what happened with even with that, you know, the Lord would bring different people, respiratory therapists, just start opening up.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Really?

SPEAKER_01 31:19

You know, and you know, if you have ears to hear and eyes to see what people are hurting, you know, it's the simplicity of just praying for somebody.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

With her, she just needs some encouragement. She needed it to just be prayed for. She needed to be heard. And we were able to give that to her. That's incredible. You know, and it was in and other ones were, you know, it was James 516. Later on, within that seven weeks, you know, we were able to another nurse. Um, we were able to break down some things and pray through some past events.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

When Rachel had her other room. Now, this was down in the end of the hall. Yeah. This other room. You know, that the very last one.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

That's the one you were talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

And so that one there, we had I believe I I think there was two nurses at different times, yeah. Come in and all of a sudden these conversations would start happening naturally.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Are you getting any follow-up with any of these folks uh after all this is done? Is there any uh interaction or is it just it was like while you were there?

SPEAKER_01 32:19

It's interesting with that, it's kind of like the Lord has me do. Yeah. He's giving me the ability to forget. Yeah. Um, meaning, you know, what they shared. Yeah. And then he moves me on. Gotcha. If he does bring somebody back in, he'll bring it. Got it. Yeah. You know, I yeah, and it's happened.

SPEAKER_03 32:38

I mean, we have it's like a revolving door that just brings people in because you're able to help them see where they're locked up basically, and and and in unforgiveness and other things.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

And then I really wanted us really share that also. I mean, we didn't have a lot of time. Um, you know, our focus was on Rachel and our focus was on Emma. Gotcha. Yeah. Um, yeah. And there was a lot of uh ups and downs that was happening daily. What were some of those uh downsides? So you know, with vitals, um CT scans, with there was there's a lot of medical terminology that I couldn't give you, but my wife could, you know? Yeah. Um, but you were you're praying a lot, and it was like there was a lot of uh uneasiness for a while. Tell me about that uneasiness, right? You know, so you know, it and part of part of my song I was writing it, you know, the world wants to bring you doubt. And throughout this process, this seven-week process in South Bend, you know, there's you know, there's some people go, what if? And we didn't do what is. There was there was no what is. We were staying in the day, we were seeking the Lord, we were just staying in the day. We had a new day, we don't do what is. We we know God is moving, we know God's going to heal, we know God is healing other people through this. This you can't make up what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Yeah. Wow. I heard that shift in Michelle on the podcast that we did earlier, the first one. Right. Uh, there was a definite, there wasn't a what if in her statements at all. It was it is almost like the Lord gave that to you, and because of your obedience in that, it it jumped off and kind of spread around you as a leader to those around you to saying, we're not gonna say what if. We're gonna be God is gonna do that, God is in control, God's gonna take care of this.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Well, in in the first week, you know, and you know, on that Tuesday morning around one o'clock, they had to take, you know, we were talking about that to do that other surgery, which um Dr. Picello didn't think, you know, or he didn't really know how that was gonna end, you know, and it was you could tell he was very concerned.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

And with that, even within that, I knew God was gonna save her. I knew God's gonna restore her. That's that's bold faith right there, bro. I knew that God's gonna heal her.

SPEAKER_03 35:08

Listen, that's bold faith.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

You know, so it didn't matter what anybody said. Yeah, you know, we you know, what people said about the CT scans, about this, about the brain, this and this, none of it mattered to me because I knew God was gonna heal her.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

It didn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

Wow. And that was given to you by the Spirit of God, wasn't it? That was the first. Because because Wayne, I mean, that confidence had to have come from him. Only from him. Yeah. Was there a point though in the in the moment of all this where you were doubting at any place? So within that, okay, you know, who brings doubt, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:43

I understand that, yes. Yeah, who brings doubt?

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

And the enemy lights a hit when you're the weakest. Okay. Right. Could you go through that? Oh, yeah.

unknown 35:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

But what does the Bible say? It says take captive every thought. Yeah, to the obedience of Christ. So, right. So what happens is, yeah, you know, somebody and they would say a doctor or a therapist would say. Is that right? That's right. So when when that would when that would thought would cross my mind, I grabbed, I said, No, and I cast it out. There you go. And I I just kicked it out, and I go no. Was there a lot of kicking out going on? Yeah, we well, yeah, and that's part of this verse two of that song. Wow. Yeah. So um, even today, you know, um Satan just likes to redo things, but he wants to make you try to doubt where you're at with stuff. And you know, we have a saying, stay in the day, stay in the day, do what's in front of you and stay in the day. Don't worry about tomorrow. Seek your first kingdom of God, right? Don't worry about tomorrow. Stay in the day. You know, keep your faith, do what God's calling you, you know, and like we said before, some people are like, well, that was great for you, Wayne. But that's not how it ended up for me. And I understand that. I've I've I've seen both ways. Family and friends, and you pray and pray, and the Lord chooses a different way, but God's still working in those situations where people will be saved, people will be healed, people will get come closer to the Lord through that situation if you honor God by your actions, right? So for me, I just knew that I knew that I knew God's gonna heal, and He's not done healing my my my daughter, you know, he's not done healing my daughter. And we have new challenges coming ahead of us. It hasn't been an easy road at all, but with God, you know, you know the end of the score for a football game and it's a rough game all the way to the end. Yeah, but if you know the score, you don't panic.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

That's right, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know the uh the one who created the game. That's what makes it even right. You're you're you're sitting in the seat of sonship, you're sitting as a son of him because of your relationship with Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

I mean, once again, it's am I gonna give God the glory through this situation? That's good, you know, and it's it's I still believe that. I I still have a lot of hope. I see we call it manna. So every day every day, God would give us something, uh healing of Rachel every day. And it would start off small. It's kind of like though those rain clouds, I believe. The prophet was probably, you know. Yeah, they saw a little rain cloud and it got bigger. So with Rachel, her healing started off tiny and it grew. Yeah, tiny and it grew. And it's still happening today, but every day, every day, back to you have eyes to see and ears to hear, every day I could see that manna. And God would give me that manna every day. We would praise God for the manna of the day, and we would see that manna grow. That's good, Wayne.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Yeah, that's good. That's a great principle to live every day in a household, too. Right. Being thankful, right? Be thankful. Be grateful. Um, I need a lot more of that in my life, more gratefulness at times, you know. I we all do. I I get so busy with the day-to-day, or you know, you just get so introspective or eyes on me, right, and I lose eyes on him. It just I think there's a natural flow and a cycle to all of us in that. It's just whether or not we want to realign ourselves. And you know, what's interesting is I say we realigning ourselves, it's not about performance. Because clearly everything you're talking about has not been about performance with you because it's been coming from a place of where you've surrendered. And I want to hit on that because you had to surrender a lot.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Well, and you know, I look back with each event, you know, in my life, starting when I was 25, when I was married, and we just moved down to Cape Coral and we just got involved in the church, right? With each event in my life, you know, there's it's it's like small windows, you know. You you walk through these area or you know, paths and you walk, and there and there's an end of that path, and then a new path opens up, right? Yeah, but within that path, God teaches you and strengthens you, right? Yes, and so then you enter into this new path that you're already prepared for into the next path. Yeah, you might not know it. That's right. So, whatever you're going through right now, know God is working through that situation to help you grow if you let him, help you get stronger, but also to help others. So through, you know, having trouble with pregnancy, we we are able to get pregnant right. Then we all your friends are happy. And I we adopted our our little daughter, you know, which was something God put on my heart when I was 16 years old. You know, so and then we were able to help encourage other families that were struggling through the same thing. And my wife was able to minister to a lot of people and help a lot of people through that in prayer for that. You know, because it really was a miracle.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

It was. And we almost lost Rachel too. That's right. And so it was it was really and how did you almost lose her though? Can you three months?

SPEAKER_03 41:20

You touched on it before, but we didn't go into detail. So this is the opportunity to talk about that if you like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

So um I had a I was working in a nursing home that I had a social worker. She had a dream vision, whatever you want to call it. Okay, a word from God. Sure. And she didn't know understand what it was, so she shared it with me.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

And what she shared, the details within this this vision is dream, she didn't realize we're gonna do the in vitro. Okay. That's where we had less than one percent chance of getting pregnant. Uh-huh. We had nine eights um that we pulled, three got fertilized, one took was Rich Rachel. So three months into this pregnancy, we have this heavy bleed. Oh boy. To the point where you knew something wasn't right.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

But my anchor was the name she gave me was Joshua. And if we were gonna have a boy, his name was gonna be Joshua, but Joshua Yeshua, you know, to make a way. And I held on to the anchor in that storm that Jesus is gonna make a way for this child. That's great, man. And the next day she was there. Wow. And he gave you a Rachel. And he gave me a Rachel, you know, and you know, the enemy wanted to tempt me to pret to uh, you know, overprotect her. Okay. Over the years. Well what does that look like to overprotect her? What do you mean by that? You know, I would say live in fear that you're gonna lose her.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

Yeah. And I chose not to do that. I like that. Yeah. I chose not to not to do that. We raised her up in the Lord. We you know, we want her to be independent.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

So it was a lot of you letting go of control, wasn't there, and that yeah. I know we have talked about that. They can't live in fear. That's right. It's faith over fear. Yes. Yeah. So God is exposing that in you, God is bringing that to the surface in you. God's asking you to do a little James 5 on that and asking you to um confess that out to him and work through that with him.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Well, in my third healing in my 40s, that you and I prayed for, right? Okay. Self-confidence. You know, talk about that. Right, you know, and the Lord had to, you know, said you need to be healed from self-confidence, which I knew I had no confidence, right? But as you and I prayed, the Lord took me back to first grade where I passed the grade, but because my reading was so poor, they felt best that to hold me back. But that was the year I learned I was stupid. Yeah, I've been there. Then they held me back too many other events within the family, within things happened to kind of supported that. Yeah. So I struggled with that all my life, but it also within that, I had paranoid. Annoying the OCD. So when we pray, the Lord said, You need to ask forgiveness for not trusting me back in first grade because I set you apart. So I asked the Lord, forgive me for not trusting back in first grade. And what do you mean by set me apart? You know, even I was saved at 12, I think it was before 12. I would take my Bible and this the you know the show Moses would come on TV. Okay. I would take my Bible to make sure it was biblical. And if your default is not, I trust the whole word of God, if your default is not that, but you let social norms of the day determine what you're going to believe in the Bible, you will not put your feet on the rock, you'll be on the sand. So when the storm comes, you will go away.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

So if in wrapping this second part of the podcast up, what advice would you give to younger than ourselves, right? New family, new kids, just had kids, you know, maybe the kids are now on the stage of two, three, four years old. Who knows? Right. What advice would you give the men who might be listening to this right now? Going, Wow, you said, and I'm gonna I'm gonna stop for just a second here and say this. You said something so monumental in the podcast that I hope people caught it. You said, Is your foot on the rock? With that said, right, what would you tell them?

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Well, for the men, you know, you would be the spiritual leader of your home. So nothing enters your home unless you give it permission. Physical and spiritually. And it's a men's responsibility to lead their family, and the man needs to be studying his Bible, needs to be reading his Bible, he needs to be a man of prayer, and he's to be an example to his children because they will follow that, and his wife will follow that. You know, Ephesians 5 taughts about that too. And so I would encourage men, if you're not there, you know, start start getting there, you know. But a lot of times that's where the genes 5.16 comes in. You know, we all have our stuff. You know, we all have our stuff. If you can name what it is, and you do it to another believer in Christ, a righteous person is only is one that's saved, one that received Jesus Christ. That's the only way to be righteous, have Christ in you and confess it and pray it. Ask the Lord forgive you. That person prays over you, you are delivered from that. The intensity of that event will be gone. That's good, and then you're able to walk and help your family. You can't give what you don't have, you can't do what you don't know. But what you do have, you can give. Right? And so I would encourage you to pray, read your Bible, take your family to church, serve, let your words match your action, and be consistent.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

That's good, man. That's good. Wayne, it's um a pleasure, it's always an honor. Thank you for the hang out with you, man. Yeah, yeah. Same here. I uh I appreciate you coming back and doing a part two. Um man, so many good things God has done in that. Yeah, he's done a lot, hasn't he, Wayne?

SPEAKER_01 47:27

God, yeah, like I said before, you can't make this up. God is on the move and he's and his hearts are being changed, and people are still getting saved. Rachel is like the evangelist now, and she's leading people to Christ. And just last week we had one come to Christ at the gym. It's amazing. Um, it's just, you know, and people are rededicating their lives. They're, you know, they're reading their Bibles, you know, they're being challenged by this. And you know, the best thing is God gets the glory, right? Amen.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

God gets the glory. The glory. Thank you, Wayne, for being on Three Doves Podcast. Thank you, Jason. It's amazing how God is healing Wayne and his family so that they can continue to share the most amazing story and the most amazing gift of all, Jesus Christ. Folks, God is still healing, God is still protecting, and God is still reaching out to us. That's our prayer for you to find hope, healing, and a home in the only one that can give it to you, Jesus Christ. God bless.