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S1E4 - Should You Do A Bodybuilding Show?

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We stop treating competing like a mystery and talk straight about what actually makes someone ready for their first natural bodybuilding show. We share what we see with clients who thrive, what trips people up, and how to use community and small tests like a fat loss phase to decide with confidence.


• our quick life updates and what we’re working on
• why daily steps and simple tools like a treadmill can save consistency
• upcoming show season talk and where natural federations fit in Canada
• why people with sport backgrounds often handle prep smoother
• why long time gym lovers can be even easier to coach into prep
• the wake up call for rushed “six months to stage” plans
• how the backstage community changes the whole experience
• why watching a show or volunteering can help you decide
• how goals evolve from first show to pro card to bigger targets
• using a fat loss phase as a practice run for prep symptoms and adherence
Quick shout out to True North Sportswear, an elite Canadian sportswear brand. Use Team NetX to get 15% off your order.
If you want to go volunteer for Vancouver show, if you’re in the town in the lower mainland or here, then reach out to me for sure.
If you’re thinking about coming competing in the year of 2026, our doors are open if you need more information.


Welcome And Quick Catch Up

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back, guys. Uh this is our fourth episode today. Today we have uh kind of a different shift. We've talked about prep, we've talked about uh off seasons, we've talked about so much shit. So we decided we wanted to talk a little bit something different. Before we get into that, let's talk about us first. Brandon, if you don't if you're not watching this uh on YouTube, please go ahead and check it out. And then um we can see in red in the background, let's check

Home Treadmill And Daily Steps

SPEAKER_01

that out. Look at that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, that's a nice treadmill right here. So Brennan invested, yeah. Not the best background for the video, but uh, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but no, but it's good, yeah. So see, you invested into a new treadmill. So he's finally getting his steps in, he's finally doing something.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's it's so nice, especially like living in like winter somewhere that there's a lot of snow, it's cold outside. It's like sometimes you don't want to just especially if you have a day off or you're not just getting a lot of steps in throughout the day, or we have a hard time with it. Like just having a treadmill for at home just to like hop on for like half an hour. This one, the only thing I don't like about this one is it I had a hard stop getting it through the door. Because our doors here for some reason are kind of smaller. So we we had to like freaking wedge it in and like maneuver it to get it through the door without like um yeah, without breaking in. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Remember, the this your your door is basically right next to where their kitchen counter is. And that's a very tight squeeze.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, like the door is actually quite small. Like getting this through the main door, it was like easy. Like you could just roll it through, but this way we're like, oh, it needs like this much more room, so we had to like flip it on its side, like maneuver it to like the headpiece was the headpiece or the back piece was like going in first instead of it was it was quite the process.

SPEAKER_01

So uh did you guys scratch any of the doors and the walls? Not that I I saw that's probably somewhat serious. Keep it that way then.

Life Updates And Busy Seasons

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so besides the uh new treadmill, anything exciting about your life?

SPEAKER_02

Not much, man. Just just been working. Um, yeah, just been kind of doing the Amazon and uh the online coaching right now. So it's just been a very, very busy last couple months with it, but uh no, it's it's been going good, man. How about you, dude? How how has uh life been going for you?

SPEAKER_01

Life is exciting for me. Uh personal training has slowed down just a little bit. Maybe it's spring break, perhaps. So parents are taking their kids out or they're going on shorter trips, so it's slowed down a little bit. Coaching is good. Now my wife just took her uh final uh exam yesterday. So now she's finally done with her board exam. We'll know all the details and the results, probably in like early May to late April. That's when everybody will know about the results of the RMT. If they pass the board, and if she passes the board, then she can work as an RMT in any clinic that she chooses.

Spring Shows And Natural Federations

SPEAKER_01

Speaking of that, during that time, that is going to be the uh the WMBS first spring show, which is going to be in only eight weeks. Um, so if you already guys are thinking about competing, it's a little uh unless you're like halfway through there, but if you're going to compete, I guess it's eight weeks is a little bit of a rush. To prep now.

SPEAKER_02

If you're already prepping right now, and that show is not on your list, but you're kind of prepping for spring, then yeah, it could definitely be a good show to fall into.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And then and then yeah, so the WMBF seasons uh are going to begin. But speaking of which, I think CPA's shows have uh already has it already started in March? Some of the CPA shows have already started.

SPEAKER_02

Probably, yeah. Yeah, because they they uh generally start a little bit early. I think they have a couple more shows, so yeah, um, yeah, yeah, north. I'm sure they've probably already started it.

SPEAKER_01

I want to just trail off just a little bit, speaking of Vancouver. I don't know if you followed it, but I think you followed it. The OCB. The OCB.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, aren't they bringing a show to Vancouver?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's in September, though. It's a fall show.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_01

You coming?

SPEAKER_02

Are you gonna do it? You're gonna try to get I can't do that. Is it a conflict of interest for you? I guess, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

For me, yes. Yeah, for me, unfortunately. Um, however, uh that brings another opportunity for natural shows in Vancouver. There's more than one um very well-tested shows. So WMBF is definitely one of them. Uh MPA, I think they do some some testings, and the OCB is the other very well-tested show. I think Eric Hellinger here was here. He was talking about he was talking about the OCB because that goes to the Yorton Cup, which is the uh quote unquote like pro pro show or world show. That's a very big show, the Yorton Cup. And just looking past at the different uh the history of OCB and all their competitors, maybe it's just everybody's just very lean and they look really big, but just looking at their photos, the caliber of competitors that are taking part in the OCBs are you can just see they're they're they're very, very high. And now if they're if they are coming to Vancouver in fall, I'll actually want to go and see it. I don't know if they take like volunteers.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, but like I've I've seen some really good shows. They are very similar to the WMBF in terms of their caliber, I believe. Like I had to I was helping um one of my opposing clients, Zach, with a show already this year where he yeah, he came second. And the caliber at that show is pretty pretty awesome too. Like it it really reminds me like it's very close to WMBF. I almost wish both of them would just merge into like a bigger company. Cause like I I feel like with natural bodybuilding, there's so there's there's quite a few more organizations and like the enhanced. Whereas if they just combined it, they would be able to I don't know, I think it could be bigger, but I I guess there's probably just yeah, I don't know if they would ever do that, but I I feel like it would be something that could make natural bodybuilding even bigger.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think there's beginning to do that. I remember there was like last year, the WMBF official in the US, they merged with another organization. I don't remember what their their acronyms were, but it's a little bit longer. It's like N something something something something. Uh but it crosses over to the European Cups. Um they're under the same membership now. Uh so for those the European Cups, I think some members, if they're part of if they're part of that organization, they can actually use their membership to compete in uh all the WMBF shows across the world. I think. I think, yeah. Yeah, okay. So they're beginning to do that, but I do believe that organizations have uh a lot of different very uh rules and people involved. Uh so maybe it's not so so easy to group it all as like part of CPA. CPA is very based vague vaguely just all in Canada. They're the only organization that has access to a qualifier to the IFBB. So basically that's your only window to uh achieve an IRBB pro card in Canada. If not, then if you're a Canadian athlete and you want an IBB pro card, you don't want to go through CPA. Your only chance is basically to there is actually no other option, I think.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, unless you go to the States and do an NPC and like an NPC show.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but you have to qualify for an NPC, so the the route is you still have to compete in a local show and then so the steps is just one way. Yeah, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02

Can they go out and do an amateur show in the States and then qualify for like the national show?

SPEAKER_01

I don't think I wonder if that works.

SPEAKER_02

Uh yeah, I'd be curious about that.

SPEAKER_01

I'm curious to do it. Yeah.

Should You Compete Or Wait

SPEAKER_01

But regardless, the point of why I mentioned these upcoming shows is if you're on the fence on wanting to do a show. Just do it. So, do you think you're ready for that? Now, this is the whole topic of why we want to speak to you today on these individuals who are thinking of doing a show, but you're still thinking about it. So we are here to tell you if you should do it or not.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, yeah, like because when I look back to like all the athletes that I've had that have like transitioned really smoothly into bodybuilding, I find a lot of them have already played the competitive sports in the past. Like, either it's hockey or basketball, um, or like soccer, something like that. Somebody that's already done like a sport to a pretty decently high level. I find transitioning into like a competition prep, it just goes like smoother. Like they're they're they already have that competitive mindset that they're able to put in the work, they're able to go all out into bodybuilding. So I I found that to work really well. But there's also been people that literally just love working out and have been like working out for like five years, and like they're just never gonna stop. Like they just they're so passionate about working out. Whereas I've had people that come to me that were like that, and it's like transitioning them into prep too is literally even easier because they've already been they've already have the habits downpack, they're already training. A lot of times they're already tracking their nutrition, or they have a really good habit around like getting enough protein and enough calories and stuff like that. So it's still quite smooth to transition into like a bodybuilding prep. And they already have the muscle too, because it's like they've already been at it for so long that like a lot of times they'll do their first show and end up getting like a pro card just because they're so massive already, they just need to dial in a bit more with the nutrition and go through that prep process. Um but what about you, Matt? Like with working with people, and what have you found, like in terms of people that you worked with that have transitioned smoother into prep?

SPEAKER_01

I have two. Um, so for me, it's half and half. I have half of them who has been active, as you said, they've been active, they've been going consistently to the gym for a long time, and then transitioned to bodybuilding. But there's only a small portion in that community that has continued doing bodybuilding. They like working out more than they like competing. But they usually do very really, really well. So, again, as you said, the training was always on point. Their nutrition is always on because they do eat the same foods and they're not bored of eating the same food every time. The only time is probably just cutting back some of the foods during the prep itself. It's difficult, but it's not that difficult for them. And then the mindset and the habit side of all these previous athletes or active individuals, they're very they they take in it very, very easy, and they just want to try it once, and then it's like, yeah, this is this was fun. Yeah, this was exciting. I got a medal. Now I'm gonna move on to something like different. So half of and half for me for previous athletes. Now the other half are just regular gym goers, and I think they have a friend or they have a friend's friend who's competed, and then now they want to try it. Because it looks easy from the outside. We step on stage and then we flex and then we pose and then we look happy, and then we get to eat this nice meal after. So this is all the facade that they see, and they actually want to try it. I've got a couple of them who tried it once, and they've liked it, and they continually can do it. So that's why we pump out some content, and we've had these talks with our athletes saying that it's not ideal to compete every year because they want to do it once and they want to do it again and again and again, and then they just like start liking it. So, for my side, I found consistency and repeating athletes are the ones who actually have average jobs. Basically, just they just don't tend to do as well on their first show compared to uh the ones that are more active. Yeah, as you yeah, I do agree. The ones that are more active, they already have the shape, they already have the muscle mass, they already have the density, they've been training forever. Yeah, so they tend to bring a much more competitive package when they step on stage. Yeah, compared to average ones.

SPEAKER_02

And it's funny you say that too, because like I find some guys, especially like just gym girls that love like working out, like some of them, even they're like, Oh, I guess I'll compete just like to see what the process is like, but they actually don't want to be on stage, so maybe they they don't really want to be in front of people, they don't really like posing. Yeah, but like you you get them there, like you you slowly get transition on them, you get them through the process, like okay, like I'm actually starting to like this, I'm actually starting to see, like, oh, this is actually a lot more challenging than I thought. And then as they're going through the process, they kind of fall in love with it, and then since they've been at it for so long, they hop on stage and actually do quite well. I'm like, oh shit, like maybe I'm maybe the sport is for me. That's kind of like the what my experience was actually going through like my first show. Like, I I never really wanted to be on stage, like I'm super introverted. Um, I don't like being in like big groups and stuff like that and presenting, but uh just like the process itself was the thing where I'm like, oh shit, this is hard, but I love this. I love the structure, I love like work putting so much effort into one thing. So I I feel like for those kind of people it tends to work out well. The people that I find often get a big wake-up call though, is people that haven't really been working out quite a lot, and like they just they see people competing, like, oh that looks cool, and then they're like, Okay, like I I'm gonna start getting consistent right now, but I'm gonna do a show in like six months, and like that's where I find there's a big wake-up call, and you're like, man, like you need more time, you need to actually enjoy this working out process because they're so focused on that end goal that like and there's not really like a massive drive, there's not a massive passion. So I find those are the people that are like, oh, like kid, they're out drinking on the weekend, oh I'm gonna lock back in, or oh, I had some more food, but it's not a big deal. Like, they're there are those people that are so up and down with the with their uh results that like when they do get to the show, it's like ah man, like you should have waited longer, you should have felt more in love with this. So, yeah, like I find for most people it's like just getting like falling in love with training, like falling in love with like having these good habits, and then once you have a good solid foundation, then slowly transition into like a competition prep. Because yeah, if you try to rush it, it almost never never goes well. Um, there might be that odd person that has super elite genetics that they could pretty much they're already half part of the muscle, they haven't really been training that consistent, but then they go through a prep and they actually do quite well. Um, but that's like your your like one percenters.

SPEAKER_01

I agree because I'm I was that first time I experienced prep and experienced wanting to do bodybuilding. That was exactly the same uh scenario that you just mentioned. So I was very not really focused on the end goal. I was still quite good, I wasn't going through the up and downs, going out, overeating or drinking on the weekends, but I had a nine to five job back then when I uh back in 2017 when I did my first show. I was so focused on the end goal more than the training. That was actually different for me because uh I was motivated by watching a show just to support the fellow personal trainers that working at the gym that I trained at.

Finding Community Backstage

SPEAKER_01

Therefore, we went to watch the show, and that's how it was like, oh, this is kind of cool. You see the personal trainers that they train very hard, and they have I think the community also grabbed my attention, and uh it's like everybody's so supportive, and the vibe is really, really good within the gym. Like, all the bodybuilders know exactly what you guys are going through, and we know exactly what the steps are coming and what is coming and what's after, and they celebrated this win. Um, I think that could that community also grabbed my um my interest in bodybuilding, and that's something that uh you know this is fun, and I also want to look like that too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, 100%. I feel like community is such a big thing, like even at like, yeah, my very first show, like just talking to people backstage and just sharing your experience, like going through this struggles and going through prep that like you kind of have this bond with this person that you kind of don't have a bond with like anybody else that's been around you because they they don't really know, like you don't really know what a prep's gonna be like until you actually go through it. So being able to just be in a space where all these people have uh went through this suffering together. Um, it's just yeah, it's very cool. And like you you build such good relationships that way too. Like, I know with like WNBF, like we've met so many cool people through it, and like it's just every time we go to a show now, it's like there's so many people that we're we're meeting up with, and just uh yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00

Quick shout out to True North Sportswear, an elite Canadian sportswear brand. Use Team NetX to get 15% off your order.

SPEAKER_02

That part of it I I think is huge for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so the we wanted to say here is bringing um a community together, uh, I think bodybuilding has definitely achieved that. And

Volunteering And Learning The Sport

SPEAKER_01

if you have a gym community, let's say you have uh a community that you built within your gym, it's a very similar vibe, everybody's very supportive. So if you haven't been to a bodybuilding show, or if you're still thinking about it, I would recommend go watch one. I don't know where some of you guys are in Canada. There's plenty of shows. I would say there's uh if you were looking for a more friendlier one, then I would pick a smaller show to watch, or even just be a volunteer if you want access to some of um what the whole experience is gonna be like as an athlete, uh, because you'll be helping the athletes as a volunteer, and you'll see, and even you'll get a chance to even talk to the athlete. A lot of the athletes backstage, usually pretty friendly um for a lot of natural shows, and if we're not getting like roid rages.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, that's the thing, like with all the shows, even like CPA, I would say most of the time it's it's good back there. There was one show that I did, I remember like one of the guys I was competing against, he was kind of mean mugging me a bit. Um, because it was only like a class of two people and stuff, but like most of the time, like especially with a WMBF, I don't think I've ever had it with them where like there was a guy being kind of like a dick backstage or like mean mugging or or just like talking shit about somebody else. Like I feel like majority of the time, like people are just genuinely like supportive to everybody and like fist bumping everybody before going on stage and popping jokes and stuff, right, while you're you're pumping up. So, like, I don't know, it's it's just a cool vibe for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I'll give you guys an example. So meaning supportive is we're talking about to a great extent. Uh volunteers or even other athletes. Uh I've seen a scenario where there's this athlete who I think he forgot to bring his uh honey or peanut butter or something like that. And then I think he was talking to his coach about it, and then the guy next to him just like, oh, you're out? Here, have mine. He acts like he proactively just offered his own um ingredients to this athlete just to help him pump up or feed up to carbuck. So you we may not see that in every single show. Uh however, in the in WMBF, or I don't know about OCB, but I'm curious to watch. Uh, in WMBF, I've seen this happen numerous times. Uh a couple times in the Calgary show. Uh in Vancouver, because the the backstage venue is much, much smaller, so it's a little bit more cramped. You'll see uh people just taking stuff if nobody's watching. But I mean they don't steal it and take it away, you know, they just drizzle some honey and then they'll return it for sure. If you know that athlete's not there, man. Like the it's usually pretty safe that we haven't had any cases of uh stealing uh and things like that. So I would say if you haven't experienced it and if you don't know if it's for you, I mean check out the community first. That's a really good point. Check check. Us out. Uh if you want to go volunteer for Vancouver show, if you're in the town in the lower mainland or here, then reach out to me for sure. Um, because I'll be managing all the volunteers. I'll make you work. And then the other one is watch a show. Watch a show and just see if you think that this is this may be for you. And then the final thing is talk to some of the other other fellow coaches and talk to some fellow athletes. You'll find they have very different perspectives on the show, and you may even find some common ground and common goals uh with other athletes. So a lot of coaches like us, we are athletes ourselves, we still have that competitive in there, and then uh we'll probably share our experiences with you and what our end goal is, and as an athlete, where is that gonna bring

Goals Evolve Beyond The Pro Card

SPEAKER_01

us? You know, what's the ultimate ultimate end goal? It may change, it changed for me over the years. Has it changed for you?

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, yeah, man. It's it's been because it the first thing was just the pro card was the main thing, right? And then now it's like, okay, let's let's see if we can get a world. So yeah, it's always gonna evolve over time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just like life, just like life goals, like what is a very common life goal for an individual? Buy a house. I don't know. That that might be something. That's a very common goal for a lot of individuals, which is very hard in this economy right now. So, what if you buy a house? And then what?

SPEAKER_02

That's like, oh, I want to get a nice car, or I want to get like a camp or something, or yeah, so it's just gonna add on top of that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I think it's a very similar concept as uh in in the bodybuilding sport. Probably your first goal may be to place top five and then place top three, and then place first, and then pro card, and then I don't know, world, and then some people have uh bigger goals. Some people want to be the first or the first ten people in the world, natural people to be in the world to get an iPhone pro card. Who knows? So we're literally looking for like 0.5% of uh genetic freaks.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, 100% man, 100%. With people going into the sport, like the initial goal is always gonna be so much different than like your your final goal. Like a lot of times, that initial goal, it's usually a bit more about okay, like I I want this reward. Like it's not so much about I want to compete in this many shows, I just want to yeah, see where yeah, like I feel like as you get do more shows, you kind of mature a lot more with your goals and you really see where you're at. Because like when you the first time you compete, you don't really have a strong idea of like how you're gonna stack up against everybody. Like it's the first time getting super early, and it's the first time kind of going through this process and seeing how you can tolerate prep. Um, some people don't want it all, but I don't want to fit it all. Again, like are gonna be can tolerate suffering a little bit more, and that's where like that athlete mindset can kind of come into play. Whereas if somebody is if this is your first hard thing that you've kind of pushed yourself through, it's yeah, it's probably gonna be a bit tougher, but again, you're you can become more resilient the more you do it, the better you're gonna get. So

Practice Cuts And Prep Readiness

SPEAKER_02

if you're somebody like, oh, I don't know if I can do it, like I've never played a sport before, I've only been like working out for like six months. It's also I'm not saying, Oh, you're not gonna be able to body, but it's just it's gonna take some time, it's gonna take some um time in it to kind of build up that tolerance to that uh tolerance to the diet symptoms and stuff like that. Um, some people genetically have like a higher tolerance of pain compared to some others that maybe not so much, and um doing little things like mini cuts, right? Like doing like a only like a practice cut or practice prep where you're kind of getting like maybe 70% to where you need to be for a show, um, could be something just to be like, okay, like can I actually fall through with this? Okay, I followed through with it, it wasn't as bad as I thought, or I was able to lock in. That's a good sign, okay. Like maybe, yeah, now this next year after, then let's go into a prep. I know with like my very uh first ever prep client Donald, we did like a quite large uh fat loss phase to see how lean he could get for like the summer, and then he was like, Oh, like I kind of want to compete now. So the next year we went into like a competition prep and it went very successfully because he already had um the knowledge that he already has been tracking, he already knows some of the symptoms that are gonna pop up. So when they were popping up during prep, he was already kind of he already had that resilience and um that experience going through it, so is it much easier to deal with? So, yeah, I would say doing something like that can go a long way. And have you have a better experience with prep? Me?

SPEAKER_01

Or my my athletes? Oh, just people in general. Oh, people in general? No, I agree with uh what you say there. There, because usually is we would do a practice prep, which which is good, but we don't call it that. I don't usually call it a practice prep. Basically, it's just a fat loss phase. Yeah, so I've uh yeah, we have a couple of uh athletes who, or not even athletes, or just individuals who just like, oh, you know what, I want to get ready for summer and just want to look a little bit more lean. And then uh we'll do this fat loss phase, and you know, some fall off, some will continue going there about 70%. And then once they start seeing uh that midsection kind of like shrink up, and then it's like okay, they they can see it, they visualize like okay, like I maybe like just 20% away from that. Some people can imagine what they can actually look like on stage, so it goes either way. It's like okay, we'll just do the 20%, we'll take the 20% off, and then we'll step on stage, or I can visualize myself what I'll look like after 20%. I don't think I look competitive enough, and they'll probably just okay, we'll bulk a little bit more before I consider this path again. For me, after we had this talk, I would usually suggest if if I see a potential there, I would probably ask you to might as well just do it. You're already there. Might as well just do it and just see where you stack up against um the lineup, a show nearby, and then do it. If not, then of course either keep grinding or just start bulking. I would actually suggest that you stack up against the other athletes first so you have an even clearer picture of what the lineup is going to potentially look like, and then we can actually see where the lagging body parts are. So that's that's probably my suggestion. But mainly there's a bigger difference than yeah. I wish they obviously would be good.

SPEAKER_02

100%. But yeah, no, that's 100%, man. Like it's nice to see because like sometimes when you have more body fat on you, like sometimes you like, oh, I I feel like I'm a bit bigger, like I I should be good, and then you start to take it off that body fat, you're like, oh, like this is actually a lot of more body fat than I thought. Skinny bitch. Like now that I have it off, I'm looking like I don't have as much muscle as I thought. Um, so it gives you a good idea 100% of where you're at and if competing is gonna be a good thing or if if you're gonna stack up against them.

SPEAKER_01

Cool.

Final Push To Stop Second Guessing

SPEAKER_01

So I think we've uh mentioned quite a bit on if you're on the fence of if you wanted to compete. I hope those pointers uh helped out. Anything you wanted to add? Uh no.

SPEAKER_02

I again, like with competing, um, I know some of it I was like pushed like, oh, like you gotta make sure you're ready, but like there's also those people out there that has have been doing it for so long, and they you almost always never feel like you're gonna be 100% ready. And sometimes it's literally just jumping in and saying, Okay, fuck it, I'm I'm doing this. Um, so yeah, don't let yourself or your second guessing get to you too much, because I I've seen so many guys with so much potential, but then they they come up with these excuses here and there that it's like, man, is that actually an excuse, or is there something else kind of stopping you? So yeah, just don't let those kind of things stop you. And if you really want to pursue it, if you really want to see what this is all about, you just have to jump in, man. And also speak to us. Yep. Or like, yeah, get more information. Like, if not us, like make sure you're reaching out for more information, making sure that you're reaching out to some form of coach. Um, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So if you're on the fence again, don't second guess yourself. I think it's a pretty good stuff something to have on your bucket list, you know, just do a bodybuilding show. I I see more positive out of negatives out of doing one after. And of course, we have a big support group. We have a lot of shows coming in the spring and into the summer. So if you're thinking about coming competing in the year of 2026, our doors are open if you need more information. We're more than happy to come and help you. That's it, guys. We're gonna close this and uh we'll speak to you guys next time. Peace.