Blood Countess: Elizabeth Báthory

In the premiere episode of The Femme Fatal, we tell the dark and legendary story of Elizabeth Báthory, the infamous “Blood Countess” whose name has become synonymous with power, cruelty, and gothic horror. From aristocratic privilege to chilling folklore, we cover the real history behind one of the most notorious women in true crime.

We also explore Elizabeth’s pop culture legacy, including films inspired by her story and the music she has influenced, before closing with our signature astrological autopsy where we look at the planetary placements that may help explain her personality, vanity, and thirst for control.

Links mentioned in this episode:
The Countess (2009) film directed by and starring Julie Delpy
Chastity Bites (2013) horror comedy
Elizabeth Báthory Spotify playlist curated by The Femme Fatal

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Welcome to the Femme Fatal, a true crime podcast with an astrology twist. I'm your host, Stacey Dotson. Each week I'll be joined by a guest host because this femme fatale prefers not to work alone. Welcome to the femme fatal. Today's bad girl is the blood countess Elizabeth Battery. And I'm joined by my good friend Karen to co-host this episode. She and I have known each other for a long, long time. Hi, Karen. Hi. Don't say the number. That's okay. What made you want to talk about Elizabeth Battery?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

So, you know, interestingly, I really didn't know anything about her, but I knew, you know, you were starting this podcast. And I can see why this is the one to start with. Some places say she was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records, others say she wasn't as the most prolific serial killer. Right. Say female, but it's actually of all if her number of over 600 is correct. So I can understand why this is the one you want to start with with female serial killers, just because you can't do any better. I mean, if we're gonna start, might as well start with the biggest. So yeah, it was fun to research. There's an insane amount of podcasts already about her trying to figure out what's right, what I should talk about was a little overwhelming, but I think I've condensed it into a good a good amount. I'm sure you have. So should we just get started? Yeah, let's get started. So Elizabeth Battery, she was born on August 7th, 1560, in Nirbater, Hungary. Her parents were actually both from different parts of the Battery family. Oh, so related? Yeah. Different branches. So her father was Baron George IV, and he was from Transylvania. And then her mother was Baroness Anna of Hungary. And then also interestingly, her fraternal uncle was the king of Poland and Prince of Transylvania. So she was a really high-ranking noblewoman. And so during this time, the 15th and 16th centuries, in Hungary, there was the ongoing Ottoman conflict where the Turks were, I don't know, the Turks were trying to take over. Also the rise of the Protestant Reformation. And so for women like Elizabeth, like noble women, there were a lot of opportunities for them to have an education. And also a lot of them ended up managing big estates and stuff because their husbands and the men were gone. Go into war. They were fighting in the wars. So she was, you know, highly educated and as similar for the time and really smart and able to just, I mean, I don't think I could handle a huge estate like she did. Right. So yeah, so that's, you know, where she was born. So the start of her story, like there is a rumor. And by the way, you know, because this is so long ago. Yeah. There's no way to know if any of this is true. Correct. It's all sort of speculation. There are letters that she wrote, and there are like, you know, court documents, but most rest of it is peasant rumor, you know, peasant stories that were told, sort of like ghost stories and folklore, yes. Yeah. So there's one story that I've heard a few times where her father, she was the witness of a really brutal execution. There was a gypsy who was accused of selling children to the Turks. Man was basically tied up, and then he was sewed inside the belly of a horse that had been slit open and just left to die in there while the horse was rotting around him. So gross. It's like who comes up with this?

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Who's I know who thinks of that? That's creative execution right there.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

For sure. But then I also read that it's probably not a real story because, and this is even worse, but horses were more valuable than gypsies. So the fact that they would actually kill a horse to execute a gypsy is very likely because horses were higher valued. It is very likely that she did witness a lot of brutal executions in her child. Just because that was part of society back then. But we talked about her education. She learned to read and write in Hungarian, Latin, German, and Slovak. Wow. Just from her letters, they can tell that she was well versed and could competently articulate her thoughts in writing. So in all of these languages. Right. So Elizabeth also had what they called at the time of a falling sickness, which we now understand to be epilepsy. But she also had violent mood swings and migraines. You know, she was engaged to be married, I think she was 12. There's now there are some sources that mention that she had a child out of wedlock with a peasant, and then the child was taken away and given to another peasant family. You know, again, there's so many sources on her, and they're not consistent. So what I do what we do know is real is she married a man named the Count Farneck Nasty on May 18th, 1575, when she was 14 years old and he was 19. And by the way, one of the other podcasts I listened to about this, they called him Frank Nasty. When they, you know, whenever they mentioned him, they said Frank Nasty. So she was 14, he was 19. Another interesting thing is that she was of higher rank than him, so she did not take his last name. She added Battery to his name, but she kept Battery because she was of higher rank. Wow. So yeah, you know, they were put together because of a strategic alliance, but you know, it was sort of a match made in hell, if you will. Like it seems like we actually had some things in common. Also, they had four children, three daughters and one son. For a wedding present, the Count presented her with Castis Castle, which is still a is kind of a museum, I think, to her, located in modern Slovakia. And I heard, you know, elsewhere there were like 17 villages, and like there was a huge amount that he gifted to her. He was no slouch.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. I mean, he's got a lot of money, but he doesn't have Taylor money.

unknown 7:32

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Exactly. These are the Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift in the Hungary. Hopefully they're not murdering people, but you know. I don't think so. You know, her husband was a warrior and he was gone a lot of his marriage. You know, it's some of it seems like he was home long enough to get her pregnant and then gone again. But she was the one that had to take care of all these vast estates while he was gone. You know, this included feeding for providing medical care for everyone that lived, not just staff, like you know, the serfs and like everyone that lived in the village. Like she was responsible for all of all of that? Yeah. A vast amount of people, plus raising children. Although back then, did people really raise their children? I think they had people to do it. So interestingly, he was known as the Black Knight of Hungary because he was pretty cruel in battle. That's why I say the matchmade in hell. There are rumors that he would gift her with torture devices. One thing that was mentioned was a glove with spikes or knives on the end. So kind of like the Freddy Kruger glove. Other things say an Iron Maiden, although other people say Iron Maidens weren't actually a thing. You know, there's also a report that he built a torture chamber to her specifications in the castle.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Wait, you mean Iron Maidens weren't a thing back then? Because Iron Maidens are a thing.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah, or maybe there wasn't one found at the, you know, they're saying it was a river that she had an Iron Maiden. But this glove is mentioned a lot. As to when she got started with her, you know, hobby, shall we say? Um again, lots of conflicting reports. One of them says that her husband was the one that actually introduced her to this. You know, he would have girls like taken outside and covered in honey, you know, stripped naked, covered in honey, and left to be eaten by insects. Ugh. So some are saying that that was like how she got her start, was with her husband watching him. Yeah, Match Maiden Hill. Here we go. Right. You know, I already mentioned the stuff that he brought back for her, which were used to punish servants, the glove and other items. You know, they say that her aunt Clara was also rumored to have introduced her to orgies, sorcerers, witches, and alchemists. She's got a lot of bad influences in her life. She had no chance.

unknown 10:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Or the people around her had no chance. So she was known to sort of, you know, there are a lot of rumors she bathed in blood. She I mean, bathing in blood, I guess, is the biggest rumor about her. That is thought to have started when so there was a servant who was brushing her hair and pulled too hard and hurt her. She just smacks her across the face with a hand that had like a bunch of rings and stuff on it. And so it bloodied the servant. Servant, yeah. Blood got on her skin. And supposedly when she wiped the blood away, her skin was like noticeably smoother and whiter. This is where she's, you know, supposed to have learned to bathe in blood because oh the blood. I discovered the secret, the fountain of youth. Yes, the blood made me younger. But also, when you think about it, bathing in blood isn't really a possibility. How much blood you would need, like you would need multiple people at the same time. And also blood coagulates really quickly, so you'd just be like in this sticky mess. Like she might have just poured it in water. You know, there were other things that just said that bathing in blood kind of came from because she would beat these people so severely that she would be covered in their blood. And then, like, maybe that was like like she didn't actually fill a bathtub, she just was bathing in it from being splashed on her. Ah, okay. Showered in blood. Showered, yeah, more showered in blood than bathing in blood. So she started off with the peasants and being a noblewoman, while it was frowned upon to kill peasants, it wasn't actually illegal. As long as it wasn't a horse. Horses are more valuable. Yes. Um, but yeah, she was able to kill peasants at will because you know, she's a noblewoman. Again, it wasn't illegal. So no one really noticed. At some point, her husband dies, and they were married for 29 years, which seems like a long time. They lived a long time for back then, yes. Yeah. He dies, she, you know, she's taking care of the estates, and at some point, there's two conflicting things here. She needs money. Yeah. So she starts this thing called a gynecium or a finishing school, which is for the daughters of lesser nobles, you know, to educate them and things. Right. Now, another report says that one of her servants or companions, as she was getting older, because obviously 29 years, you know, age is starting to show. This other person supposedly tells her that it's because of the peasant's blood, and now she needs noble blood in order to keep herself young. So there's two things. Either she needs money, so she starts a school, or she starts it because she needs noble blood. Okay. But obviously now, you know, these girls, it's noticed that these girls are, you know, going missing. Yeah. And, you know, there's some things say that like she did return the girls to their family and saying they died from, you know, cholera or something. So there's those reports, and there's another one that says that there were like 25 girls at the school that all died. They all died. We don't know at the same time, but her reasoning is that one of the other girls went crazy and killed them all and then committed suicide. I haven't heard that one before. Yeah. That's one of the explanations for why all these girls died. Now, the things that she was doing, and I don't want to go too much into it because, first of all, it's very gruesome, and anyone could do a deep dive on all of the torture things she was doing. And some of these things, again, were common at the time for noble people to use on their peasants or on their servants. Hot fire pokers, branding, beatings, needles under the fingernails. Ugh. Just so many sordid details. We just don't need to go into them because it is gruesome. I mentioned the honey thing with her husband. The other thing was during winter, they supposedly would leave a girl outside and then just keep pouring water on her that would freeze until the girl froze to death.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Terrible. Thankfully, we are born now at this time.

unknown 14:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

And hopefully, we would have been noble. I don't think I would have been noble. Me either. I am definitely a German peasant. I'm a Czech peasant. So she also had a few accomplices. One of them was named Alana Ju, who was a former nurse and trusted assistant. Dorothea Sents that was described as a local witch who helped her procure girls. And then Caitlin Basinski, who was a servant involved in the abduction and murder of girls.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

It would be hard to do that much alone.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Yes. There was one particular friend, Anna DeVerlia. Um she was said to be a friend, confidant, possibly her lover. I, you know, I don't know when exactly she came into the picture. You don't remember she was alone a lot of the time. So she was supposedly a witch who significantly influenced her activities. So, you know, she may have been there from the beginning. We don't really know for sure. And actually, she's the one who is supposed to have told her after seeing her skin improve from the blood, that, you know, she would retain her beauty if she were to bathe in the blood of young virgins. So actually, I guess she was there from the beginning. And I've heard at least one story, maybe, you know, again, I listened to so many podcasts, read so much about this. So I've heard at least once that, you know, after her husband had died, she kind of fell into a depression and like took to her bed. And so she wasn't able to continue, you know, her killing spree. She really loved her husband. Yeah. It sounds like it. It seems like it, yeah. At least for the time, you know, and so she had Anna bring her a young servant while she was in her bed, and Anna like lifted her over her, and Elizabeth then like basically bit her and tore her flesh. I've heard it a couple times. I don't know if that's again, peasants creating ghost stories. So one fun fact that I discovered was that a treatment at the time for the falling sickness or epilepsy that Elizabeth had was to coat the lips of the afflicted person with blood of the someone who didn't have epilepsy. So part of me wonders, is this where this whole myth comes from? That you know, they were actually treating her epilepsy.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

As someone who has epilepsy that was never prescribed to me. I just take a little pill.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yeah, I would hope not. I mean, I saw something else about a piece of a skull. I couldn't really figure out what that meant.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

My HMO did not cover that.

unknown 17:14

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Blood of someone else coating your lips with blood. Maybe someone saw this treatment happening, or you know, who knows? But that was an actual treatment that they used back then. So there you go. That could be part of it. Okay, so she's killing all these women, young women, virgins, bathing in their blood, whatever. Before her husband died, he entrusted his wife and heirs to this guy named Gorgi Thorzo. Uh-huh. And this guy is the one who would eventually lead the investigation into Elizabeth's so-called crimes at the behest of King Matthias II. Now, there are supposedly over 300 witness statements that were collected by the two notaries that were hired by Thorzo. This is where like the actual evidence stuff is. There are actual transcripts of the trial. I say trial, but you know, the case, I guess. All these witness statements. I think there are actually, you know, I listened to a woman who I think actually like translated all of these documents. But again, these are like people, you know, peasants in the town. Again, we've already talked about how they probably created all these ghost stories. So there was one witness who claimed that she had found a diary where Elizabeth had written down the names of all the people she supposedly killed, and this is where the 600 or 650 names were in there from. You know, this witness says they found this diary, and that's how many were in there. First of all, did she actually number them or did this person go and count them all? And how detailed did she get? And also that diary has never been found. So I heard someone else say that this the person that claimed this was a child who was, you know, getting big attention by like talking. So it was just inflating things, and you know. Anyway, so that's where the number comes from. Elizabeth didn't actually have a formal trial, but there were a handful of people who provided supposed first hand accounts. There were three men that were supposed to have worked with her, and they were not tortured. It was common at the time to torture witnesses to get their statements. They thought it would be truer. Unlike it's actually the other way. You're more likely to get, you know, say what they want to hear, so they stopped. So the three women that I already mentioned, that Alana, the Catalyn, I don't have the name of the other one, but they were actually tortured. But they were all convicted and executed. All the supposed accomplices were convicted and executed. And Elizabeth. Now again, it's kind of weird to figure out why, because some people say if she had been convicted, so sh the king, King Matthias, owed Elizabeth a lot of money. And, you know, it was time for him to pay up. And so some reports say that if she had been executed, the debts would be wiped out. But what actually happened was she wasn't executed. Instead, she was kind of put on house arrest, right? Walled up in a, you know, room or in a part of her castle with holes for air and then, you know, like a hole for food to be delivered. And when that happened, his debts were wiped out. Because I read one account that said when this happened, he confiscated everything. Like he came in and like took everything. But then other things say her family did. Like her family came in and basically divided up her property. Either way, it was all stolen from it.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Outside of the castle where she was entombed.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Whether it was from the king or it was from her family, supposedly, like in-laws and whatever came and stole like jewelry and stuff while she was entombed, or you know, whatever, I guess house of arrest. Yeah. And then she was there for four years and then she died at the age of 54. I mean, I guess maybe the blood worked. Maybe just being noble, you had better food and better health. And you know, she was sick, so it's not like she was like the picture of health. So right. But she was sort of mentally sick. Balin and blood worked.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Maybe it did. I'm not gonna go try it though. I read something interesting. There's an academic at Cambridge, I'm gonna try to say her name correctly. It's uh Anushka Bailey. And she has a theory that Elizabeth might have been a victim of what is called a stitch up, like a frame job. She thinks that uh kind of along with your story with people going and stealing money, that Elizabeth was highly educated. She had all of this stuff and control and power. And at that point in time, you know, they didn't want women to have that much power. So she sort of thinks that Elizabeth set up a school, like you mentioned, that there is, you know, stuff about the school and educated these girls and smuggled them out in coffins under tunnels in the castle because apparently there's a lot of tunnels. She also bought like 26 million euros worth of clothing from Italy. And all of this happened after her husband passed. These girls that were of noble descent and just unmarried because the war, like a lot of men died in the war, so they were unmarried, and she just helped them go get a better life somewhere, provided them with clothes, educated them. And they said that when they went into the castle, they only found one body, one actual body, but they found like a printing press. And so, like, she could have, you know, four languages she could have put out information. So Anushka Bailey is trying to prove her innocence. The feminist in me wants it to be that. I want her to have done that instead of the rumors.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

But I've heard some people say there were bodies everywhere. So I can't say, yeah, what you said. There was actually one body and then one person who was injured or dying, but hadn't died. Which kind of goes to the, you know, where I mentioned the medical care. Like she was responsible for the medical care for all of these people. Think about what medical care meant back then. You know, you broke your finger, they would chop it off. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like what we think of as medical care. It was brutal. I mean, it's highly possible that that was where some of these rumors came from. For me, it was the fact that the king was the one that ordered this investigation and he owed her a lot of money. That's right. Like the shadiest part of this whole story.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Agreed. Regardless, we're still talking about her today, and that's pretty amazing. They say like Dracula was actually based on, you know, the stories of her bathing in blood, which makes more sense now that you said her family was from Transylvania, too. So that could easily be inspired. They also say that uh Snow White, the evil queen, was based off of I was gonna say that too.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Yeah. I saw that as well, that the evil queen. When you Google her, like there are things that come up that say like Elizabeth Battery versus Vlad the Impaler. But also a lot of the stuff that was written about her wasn't done until like a hundred years after her death. And I think Dracula might have been 200 years after her death, but you know, again, that's where we're like, who knows what is who knows what's true, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:48

I was gonna jump into pop culture, right? So there's a Swedish metal band just named Battery. Like that's what they named their band. And they kind of started the black metal music scene there. There's also Slayer wrote songs about her, Venom, Cradle of Filth, Ghost wrote some songs about her, but then of course, my favorite is Susie and the Banshees. They wrote a song called An Execution, and it is inspired by the horse incident you talked about in the beginning, the torture. So I'm gonna read the lyrics. It's not a very long song, and I'll just read it real quick. So this is what she saw. The unsuspecting horse was held fast to the ground while some soldier slid open its belly. The guilty gypsy was shoved inside the horse's belly with only his head protruding from the dying beast. Another soldier then sewed up the wound with the culprit inside, condemned to die, along with the putrefying animal screaming. The young countess looked up, barely restraining a giggle. So inspired a cool gothy song.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

I also wanted to mention in reading all these like accounts, I think it's the princes of the time were called void vods. Yeah. Remember, there's a band named Voivod. Voivod, yeah. I didn't really look and see if that's where it came from. And that obviously isn't just for this story. Right. Did not agree, that's what they were called. Kept hearing that, like the void vods. I was like, oh, I wonder if that's where that name came from.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

I wonder. We'll have to dig that up. So I'm gonna also talk about some movies that she influenced. Two that I watched before we did this podcast. One is The Countess. It was made in 2009 and it was written, starred, directed, and she did the music by Julie Delpe from one of my favorite Gen X romance movies before sunrise, you know. The film gets a lot of praise for being more of a like historical depiction of Elizabeth and less about the vampire myth. It really tries to humanize her and ground the story in politics, like you mentioned, you know, the king owed her money, power, gender dynamics. I rented it on Prime, but you can also stream it on AMC Plus. So it's free if you guys have AMC Plus. But in this version, her husband dies pretty early on, and Elizabeth begins a love affair with a much younger man. And because of her power and the fact that the king actually owes her money, certain men, especially her cousin, who is also the father of her lover, yes who start scheming to take her land. And so people actively interfere to keep Elizabeth and this younger man apart. And she believes that he ghosted her because she's older. Now, when she was with him at one point, she cut off a lock of his hair while he was asleep and kept it, I guess, like a souvenir. And so later, when she's depressed and he she hasn't seen him and, you know, there's no phones, you know. So she thinks he ghosted her, right? She cuts open her chest where her heart is and she puts the hair inside the chest and sews it up. Naturally, you get sick, she gets infected, gets sick from that because whatever. Never seen that done before. After she gets sick and he she thinks he ghosted, she does the whole brush story thing. They show where her hair was getting brushed and it got brushed too hard, and then she striked the servant or the assistant, right? It got blood all over her. Like in the movie, they're like, there's a mirror and the sun is coming in, and she thinks she looks so much younger with the blood on her face. So that begins the whole thing, and she's like, if I can just get younger looking for him, then he'll love me, right? Because at this point she's in her 40s, it's after her husband died. Anyway, it's an interesting take. The movie's really well done, but it's kind of slow. And I don't know that I would rank it as high as some of the other stuff, but it's because with all the folklore around her, you don't want her to have gone crazy and started killing people. I don't want to believe Elizabeth went crazy for a man. I want to believe that she was just powerful and people tried to hold her back.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

You know, it's interesting that story because, again, in researching all of this stuff, a lot of the things were like part of fiction. So I wonder if that particular story was actually from the movie that someone wrote down. Cause like when I was kind of Googling her lover or whatever, Anna, the first thing that came up was a YA book, a young adult book for this account of Anna, right? Her servant slash, you know, companion. Hopefully her lover. Yeah. So I was like, I know, I hate that term though, lover. Like, I don't know why. So yeah, it's interesting that that is actually in there. Cause then it makes me think, is that where it actually came from? Or did it actually like was it actually part of the story? And she used it in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Well, in the movie, so there's a lot to this movie that I just brushed over it. Like they want to break them up, so they send some guy to come in and he's sort of like a he likes things kinky. So he gets her S and M and he's the S. And so he's also trying to keep her away from the other guy because the young guy actually does love her. He's just getting distracted by other people as well. But they do have a girl in there. So she ends up being lovers with both the guy and the girl. And the girl, I think, is Anna. I can't remember if they named her Anna in the movie. I'd have to check. So she did have two other lovers at the same time. And she was, you know, getting some kinkiness out with this dude too. So I mean, I feel like it was common back then.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

They were a lot more open than you know. You come from the Puritans who didn't believe in having sex at all.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Well, there was not much else to do back then.

unknown 30:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

They were just a little more fluid and you know open. They weren't as buttoned up as we are today.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

The next movie I watched is so great. Chastity Bites, made in 2013. And it's completely different experience that what I just said. And I call it a low-budget cinematic masterpiece, but I'm no that's overreaction. It's not really a cinematic masterpiece, but it's campy, ridiculous, and way better than it has any right to be. Said in 2013, Elizabeth, now hundreds of years old, is still alive and hunting for young victims. So she goes and poses as an abstinence counselor at a California high school and runs a group called the virginity action group. Oh. I have to see this movie. Oh, yeah. It's on Tubi. That's where we watched it on Tubi. So all the popular girls are involved. And of course, there's one feminist heroine trying to save the day. I highly recommend watching it. It's so bad it's good, if that makes sense. And there is one foot fetish scene that comes completely out of nowhere and you'll go, ew, and then you'll laugh out loud, I promise. So yeah. But yeah, I recommend that one for sure. Okay, well, let's look into this. And I have to say that I'm gonna always explain a little bit about astrology and stuff, but we want to help everybody listening to this understand it. So right.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

So this is where the actual date of birth comes in. So yeah, so August 7th, 1560. So that makes her a Leo.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Okay, so for people that don't follow astrology, uh, your sun sign is basically your core identity, your ego, your operating system. Think about it, the way you move through the world. Leo energy is like pride. They're beautiful, they tend to have long flowing manes, which apparently she did have amazing, beautiful hair, right? They want to be remembered. This is where it gets pretty interesting. So she didn't just have her son in Leo. She had her Venus and her Mars in Leo. And what that means is the Venus is your love, it's your passion, it's your sex, right? And then your Mars is your aggression and your action, how you take action. It's the action planet. So there was a triple shot of Leo happening there. And breaking that down, it's like identity built around pride and dominance and love is tied to admiration, you know, which it's like, yes, she had to have tons of people around and wanted their attention. Fueled by ego as well, with your action. It's like a pride and power. Leo typically isn't secretive. They don't really, you know what I mean, hide in the shadow. So they kind of command an error, you know, like people want to follow them. They do. They just have this I'm powerful attitude and they just exude that. But we now know all of the triple shot of Leo. But there's one more thing I want to talk about, and that's the moon sign. And so your moon sign is your internal emotion, kind of what you keep secret, your thoughts. There's a debate. Some say Libra, some say Pisces, because you know, this information is from 1560, and I don't even know where we would get the time of date, you know, like how we would figure that out. But I'm gonna go on a limb and say Pisces, because Pisces tend to throw themselves into things as a form of escapism. Sometimes they can't handle the world, so they have to find some other thing. And if torture was her king, she definitely threw herself into that. I mean, that's a lot of women. 650, that takes a lot of time. So yeah, that's a lot of Leo. Thank you so much for coming and doing this. This is my first one, and I've really been wanting to do this for a long time. And I'm pro-female, so I want to make it all about women.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Well, yeah, and I do like that we start with her, and the questions exist. She could have been this female powerhouse who was, you know, brought down by the patriarchy, which is, you know, the world we live in still.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Well, thank you again for joining me. And thanks again, everyone, for listening to Femme Fatal. In the episode description, I will provide links to the movies, the countess, and chastity bites, as well as I made a Spotify playlist of Elizabeth's greatest hits. So I will link to that as well. Thanks again. Bye. The Femme Fatal, created and hosted by Stacey Dodge, produced by Mark Williams, music by Marcia Yingling, Chad Chase, and Greg Loikano.