Scream 8 Writers Announced! Plus our review of The Babysitter: Killer Queen

Theres a lot to discuss this week on Slasher Bash.  The new writers for Scream 8 have been announce.  Maddi and Ben discuss their initial thoughts on the news. Then hear their review of The Babysitter: Killer Queen.  Is it as bad as critics say?

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Let's do this, bitch. What's up, everybody, and welcome to Slasher Bash, the podcast. The podcast where we choose a horror movie franchise and critique it movie by movie. I am one of your hosts, Benjamin, with my co-host Madison.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

What's up?

SPEAKER_00 0:40

What's up, everybody? This week we're doing the sequel to the babysitter, the babysitter Killer Queen. Um, but before we get into that, there's some scream news we want to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Came out, I think I guess yesterday. Thank God. April 1st. Yeah. And and I don't I hate April 1st. April 1st is ruined for me now.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Because nothing's funny anymore. Because our country is better.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Nothing's funny anymore. And it's just like it's now it's just feels like we're going through the motions with all these like announcements and shit all the time where I'm like, uh I just want to get back to tomorrow. Like I want to I want it to be tomorrow so I can read actual news.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Fair. Touche.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

You know? Anyway. Uh so yeah, Scream, they announced that they're developing Scream 8, which I'm not surprised since Scream 7 made so much goddamn money, even though it was pretty polarizing.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

First in the franchise to cross 200 million.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Which is why it is interesting that it made so much money. Um, because one, it is a very polarizing film, and two, there's a massive controversy around the Melissa Barrera firing.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

So it is interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Like, it's almost like how many people know about that though?

SPEAKER_02 1:54

I think a lot. Well, I don't know. I mean, when I'm in our Instagram feed, there's so many people who are like, fuck Scream Seven, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. And like people get really hot about the Melissa Barrera topic. I mean, my like my sister's boyfriend was like, Yeah, I'm not paying to see this movie on your birthday. So I had to buy his ticket and all because he was hot about Melissa Barrera.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

You had to buy his ticket on your birthday, dude. Suck it up.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Well, instead, I made my sister babysit for free.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Look, I'm I was I'm the same way. Like, I think that whole situation is so fucked.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

But I honestly believe that they'll be back at some point. I hope so. I really do. Like, you know, time will pass, it'll start to lose money, and they'll be, you know what we should do? We should bring back everybody. Jenna Ortega, too. Yeah. Um, but again, like I don't know like how many casual fans out there that love Scream are really paying attention to like that kind of news. You know what I mean? They just see Scream 7, them Camel's back. I'm in. Yeah. Because I loved Scream. And I think that made so much money because like a lot of there's less movies that come out now.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

And uh Oh, I wonder what like adjusted for inflation that is. Like, is it actually the highest grossing scream movie?

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yeah, it's the highest grossing screen movie, and it is the But like adjusting for inflation, meaning like I'm pretty oh, I'm pretty positive. I'm pretty positive because it's also the second largest um, like it's like the second most successful film only following behind the Halloween reboot that um Danny McBride did when Jamie Lee Curtis came back. What was that like? Like, I don't know, we went to that movie, what was that, 10 years ago?

SPEAKER_00 3:36

2018, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Eight years ago, something like that, yeah. So that's the only movie to like be financially more successful than Scream 7.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

But um anyway, yeah, so made a lot of money, Scream 7, despite all the controversy behind it. I mean, when you have the original creator back and Neva Campbell, it makes sense that it would make a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

I wonder, well, I mean, obviously Nev Campbell is like a massive, massive pull, but they did the smartest thing they could have ever possibly done by having Kevin Williamson involved.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

I agree, but again, I don't know how many people even know that name. Like, I don't think you're again your casual fan really knows Kevin Williamson's name. They might not have known Les Craven. Yeah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

No way. I totally disagree with that because like families nowadays, they don't.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

I mean I'm sure the advertisements set, and I didn't see a lot of the trailers, but I'm sure they said like from the original writer or whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

But like Kevin Williamson has such a wide, like Dawson's Creek vampire diaries. Like he's got so he wrote every teen horror film of the 90s. I know what you did last summer, Halloween H2O, the faculty teaching Mrs. Tingle. Like he is like maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

He wrote the faculty? I didn't even know that.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

We gotta do that one.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Oh, yeah. I fucking love that.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

That would be a palette cleanser one, right? A one-off. Um oh maybe you're right. I don't think I would say if I mentioned that to like my aunt, she's not gonna know who that is. You know what I mean?

unknown 5:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

I if I said that to my sister, she wouldn't know who that who that was.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

But I think if we're talking about the modern audience, because Wes Craven passed away several years ago now, and Kevin Williamson is still making popular content. I think he's gonna be the more known name. Unless you are strictly a horror fan, you're not gonna know Wes Craven.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

I maybe not young people.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

But I think anyone that's like our age and and older would know who Wes Craven is.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Yeah, anybody who's ever seen Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Yeah, yeah. Don't cut it in the Hills of Eyes.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Just cut all that. Don't let me sound like an idiot.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

No, I will. I I cut out a lot of your No, I'm kidding. I'm constantly cutting you out.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

I'm mostly cutting myself out.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

There was one thing that I cut that you had cut out, and I can't even remember, but I was listening to our new episode today, and now I don't even remember what it was, but I remember being like, oh, thank God he really does know how to edit me.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Well, there's a lot of stuff that we go on tangent, and if there's ever a situation where I don't know for sure if what we're saying is true, sometimes I'll just cut it out just to be safe. Fair. And I don't really even remember what it would be. It's never like I'm that's like something we should never say, but we talked about we said we I'll cut this out. And we're back.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

All right. So scream eight. Yeah, so the announcement greenlit, first of all. I think sometimes like people get confused on the difference between Greenlit and in development.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

For sure. I mean, this movie's getting made. Maybe not by this team, but it is getting made.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

It is 100% getting made. But it is not officially Greenlit. There's not money behind it putting it into production. But there are contracted writers, the Zuckerman sisters, Lila and Nora. Is it Lila or Lily? I think it's either Lila or Lillia or Lily. All right, well, we'll just the Zuckerman sisters. So the Zuckerman sisters are contracted to write Scream 8. This does not mean it's Greenlit, but I mean we, you know, it's it's a blockbuster hit. It's gonna make it's gonna happen. We don't know if they're gonna officially write it, but they get the first stab at it.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

So before nice, nice pun. Before we we jump into like what you feel about this, I just want to mention a weird connection. There are rumors now that Radio Silence has um expressed interest in rebooting Buffy. And these two uh sisters were the people that wrote the pilot episode, and they were gonna be the showrunners for the the now cancelled reboot.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Did you read anything about that leaked script?

SPEAKER_00 7:46

And how yeah, I don't want to get into that right now. Okay, but that sort of uh makes me concerned about this movie. But um Me too.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

So the connection there being Radio Silence directed Critical Overlord on YouTube. Critical overlord. Lots of opinions on Buffy and their writing.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

I don't need to hear anyone else's opinion on Buffy, to be honest. So yeah, these two sisters directed that pilot and got canceled.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Directed it or wrote it.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Kevin Williams they wrote it. Yeah, it was directed. And uh I read that script. Look, I don't know if it was a final script. Apparently, people are saying it wasn't a final script. As a as a as a movie fan, a TV fan, and a buffy fan. I'm really happy that that didn't get made. At least that episode. I did not think it was good. It felt very sort of like uh someone was hired to write a reboot that hadn't didn't really grow up with the show, or if they did, they didn't really watch it.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Close enough to understand really the DNA of it.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

You should write a spec script I have for the Buffy reboot.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Well, I have an outline, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Will you send it to me? Yeah, I would actually love that.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I don't know if you'll get it, though, but I'll yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

I'll finish watching Buffy just to understand your outline.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Okay, okay. You got a long way to go. You got like 144 episodes.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Hey, I'm I've stopped at the hyena episode, but I'll get that.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Yeah, so you got a long way to go. Anyway. What are you like I'm bummed because not because these sisters I, you know, they've worked on a lot of shows. They worked on Agents of Shield, which all I hear is good things about. They worked on Fringe, which was great. Um I would I have no I think they're good writers, but Kevin Williamson comes back from one movie and then and then bails. Like, is honestly sucks.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

I mean, he said he was committed to other projects that he was more interested in exploring. Um, but I would have loved if he was like, okay, I don't have the time to commit to directing this film, but if he wrote another screen movie, that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

I agree. I think he's gonna be involved. Like, I'm sure, like he's gonna be like executive producer.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Him and never are executive producers now forever.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah, I saw that. What so are what are you are you concerned about this, Kevin White? Like, I I I'm a little like all of the excitement I had from this movie going into this movie is a little bit now extinguished because I feel like we're just getting back into like the sequel the endless sequels with just whoever's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I actually read um just an opinion piece by nobody. Like, not like it was just an opinion piece, probably on Reddit. I don't even remember. This person was just like kind of poking fun at how Scream refuses to pass the baton and like is just now literally spitting out the same fucking bullshit over and over again to the point where that's why this ending was so fucking terrible because they had nowhere left to go because they cornered themselves by not having new leads.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Um yeah, and which they had, honestly. They had new leads.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

They shot themselves in the foot with that.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Um, I mean, like, I don't know, like I love that Nev is back. I fucking love that. But I wish it was Nevada Melissa and Jenna.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah, they could have all been back, to be to be clear, like they already have done that.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

I mean, if I got to reboot if I got to do the next Scream movie, which I won't get to, but that's okay. Life dream, but you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

You never know.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Uh I would just start a new story and follow Kirby.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah. I think for me, like, do you really want more Scream? I guess is the question. Yes. Like you really do.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

What other franchise can you think of that has successfully made eight movies where seven. Soon to be eight. Uh that are all loved, like in some way. Like, like they're not like nobody's like, that movie's the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Um There's no straight to videos. There's no I guess where I get stuck now is like I don't know. I feel like I've seen it all now. With Scream. What else are they gonna do? Like what to your point, like what else is there to do? Because they're not going to do what you just said, which is like just focus on Kirby. It's Kirby doing what?

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Being a cop in New York.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

That's not that's not Scream.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

No, that's the thing. That's the thing. Is it's too late now to do what I would have done, but I never would have done the whole following Jill storyline. I've already said this that I wouldn't have followed Jill, I would have had Jill die, and the surprise would have been that Kirby was the final girl carrying on the franchise.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Here's the thing I don't mind more of the same, but what I don't want is always trying to top things. I'm like, yeah, give me the OG Scream Again, do it modern day, modernize it a little bit, give me the same story. I don't care, I'd just be happy to watch it again. I love Scream. Ghostface is amazing.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I struggle with it because like I I don't have any problem just going and watching the other screams over to get that fixed.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Fair, but like okay, like when Rob Zombie did Halloween, his remake of the first one. Uh-huh, it's so similar. Like so, so similar. There's not a lot of departures, but it's way scarier, it's way more intense. And I really, really, really like it. Um, despite he like made the same movie again.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yeah. Yeah. I don't I get what you're saying. I guess for me, it's just like as someone who's like a creative person too, like I if I was tasked with writing the next dream, I'd be like, hmm, what am I gonna do here? And I don't want to spend too much time. We got a whole movie to talk about, and we've already been talking about this for like almost 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

So I would bring in a younger cast and I would go back to the original killing of Billy and Stu, killing Maureen.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

But they did that already. I mean, not the Maureen thing, but um, they've already brought in two young younger, three younger casts.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Right, but if you go back to the original and like you tie in like that there were other murders that happened around that time that were not connected as a serial killer, and the climax is the murder of Maureen Prescott, and you realize like you go in thinking you're seeing a screen movie, and then you realize it's a prequel to all of the killings and that Billy and Stew were killing other people besides Maureen.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

And yeah, but then I mean we've talked about this before, but then don't you kind of like ruin the the mythology of the of the of the franchise in that way? I guess we'll see. I just I I'm sure they're thinking about it. The Zuckermans, right? Is that what they're called? Yeah, the Zuckerman sisters. Like maybe they already have an idea.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

I guess that's why the whole thing becomes how do you make the kills more crazy and gruesome and intense? Because like, what else do you do if you're telling the same story? I guess that's why you get stuck hung up on the like, how do I make the kills crazier and better?

SPEAKER_00 15:10

But I guess you're right. Like, I think I'm just concerned. Like right now, my excitement for this scream 8 is non-existent for a couple reasons. One being no Kevin Williamson bummer and two being like this they're trying to make money off this as quickly as possible, it feels like. And I'm just worried that we're just gonna get especially because like this is a polarizing one. Fans weren't happy, like a lot of fans weren't happy with this one. Yeah, like I would say uh overly so or overly undeserved, maybe, but like everything that I was excited about for seven has been now undone by this announcement. No offense to the Zuckermans, but the only thing you're not gonna I'm not excited now is my point.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Because you think it's just a rush project without any with real without the original DNA, which is the which I think is what was what we needed to have for five and six, which I think are fine movies overall, fun movies. But they don't, to me at least, they don't rank high in the I mean I was just personally excited that I was like, fuck yeah. I know, no, I'm not trying to make you feel bad about it. Some female writers, but yeah, it's women. So just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Well I love slasher movies, isn't it obvious?

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Love slashers hate women.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Those go hand in hand. Um no, I think that's great too, but I I guess I'm not upset with the writers being who the writers are. I'm upset with Kevin Williamson not being attached to this.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Yeah, because I mean I get because you know, Kevin Williamson was attached to the original four. And then when Radio Silence took it over, it was a reboot. So it wasn't like let's get back to the original DNA. Seven was that, so now we're not getting a reboot and we're sticking with the original, and I guess we don't know. I feel like we're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

I mean, Neff Campbell could be done.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Tatum to college. Yeah, I think Tatum's taken over now.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Again, we're doing college again. That's what I'm saying. Like we've done this already.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Well, maybe she's a senior now.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Scream senior year. I think we we should have an episode where we think about what our what our scream movie would be and and pitch them to each other. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

I'll do some serious thinking about this. I will do a full episode with you, literally, where we should both show up and we pitch each other what our scream mate storyline would be.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Like, I liked my um prediction for this one. Yeah. As an idea.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

It would have been a better movie if they had done your prediction.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

I'll I'll pitch something different, I guess.

unknown 17:57

Why?

SPEAKER_00 17:58

I actually have a movie. We don't need to pitch something different. I have a movie that would that I could easily skin with Scream. Like I already have it and I could skin it with Scream. Okay, Leatherface. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, we've been talking about this way too long. So talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

We're 50 minutes into this recording, and we haven't talked about the movie we're here to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Maybe maybe we'll talk about this. I mean I'm gonna shorten the hell out of this conversation.

unknown 18:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

But really quick This can't be more than 10 minutes long.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Really quick while we're talking Scream. Yeah. Scream 7 did come out on digital yesterday, so of course I immediately bought it and watched it. My baby was sleeping in my tiny house, so I had to have the captions on so that I could know what they were saying while I listened to it at like six volume level. Okay, so this is what I caught with captions. Okay. The very first shot when they are pulling up to the house. Um I had always thought they were arguing in the car. That's what I thought I had heard was like the guy and the girl Madison, and um I didn't catch his name.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 19:04

But they're arguing, is what I thought. What it is is the podcast that they're listening to. And the guy's like, there are because you know how Matthew Lillard um just walked in the background of the party scene in Scream 2.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

So because this is like a stab podcast, it was like, there are unconfirmed sightings of Stu Mocker at a Windsor College party in 1930 '98 or whatever. So, like that that was what it was was like the whole podcast was about like Stu being at that party. So I love that I hadn't caught that, but that they took the like casually throwing Matthew Lillard in the background for fun and turned that into the whole Stu's Alive mythology.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah. But also to like wrap it in this conspiracy theories, like fans going overboard with their theories of what's happening in these movies, yes, and setting themselves up for disappointment, sort of rapper, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Okay. And so then uh we get into like Madison and God, I wish I remembered the boyfriend's name. But they get into the house or whatever, and they get the call to like play the game, and he knows like the first two questions right away. And then the third question is how old was Jason when he drowned? And he like does all the math, and then she's like, trick question, Jason never drowned. And so like I look that up, and I'm like, you know, because like he does drown in the first one, but then I guess technically he's back, so did he not drown, whatever? So I'm reading all the mythology about how essentially like um fans like use this lore to make the timeline make sense to make each movie canon with one another. And I was like thinking about it, and I'm like, okay, so what's the significance of that in a scream movie about is Stu Mocker alive or not? So are they playing with the idea of what we think is canon isn't gonna be canon, so that we actually still can leave the door open to bring Stu back? No way.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

I think it was very intentional. Oh, I think that's intentional too. But are you saying that they're making it vague? So, like I think that they can bring them back.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

They're dropping Easter eggs about timelines that don't actually logistically make sense in horror franchises and being like we can kind of do the same thing because we can bring Stu back.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

I agree, but I think that's to counter the argument that it's gonna be Stu.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Do you think so?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

I think it's to say, like, look, these are just movies, these are just slasher movies. Like, people think Stu is in the second one. He's not you know what I mean? Like, but we can't stop fans from theorizing and and doing the headcanon shit and again go running amok with their theories. Like we've seen it in a million movies where people just go crazy. And I honestly, I think every single ending to any series now that comes out is just like destroyed online about how being awful because like everyone's theories went fucking crazy. Yeah, they gotta have this happen, this is gonna happen. And they're like they're teasing this the whole fucking Stranger Things uh Secret Nine episode situation that was happening where they were everyone convinced themselves that like they made a bad fantasy ending because they're actually still stuck in the upside down and they're gonna have a drop of secret nine.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Like I have never do you do that? I've never done that. I've never watched something and not been like I hate open-ended endings where it's like we don't know what actually happened, like uh fucking the Christopher Nolan Leo one. What is that one? Inception. Hate that ending because I don't know what happened, right? But endings where we've definitely seen what happened. I've never been like, here's a theory, here's a thought. Like, I just don't do that. I'm like, oh, what we saw is what happened.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

Lost. I mean, being old as I am, like watching Lost when it aired, like me and my buddy Matt would go to the computer lab between classes in college and just like look at Lost Pedia, which was like where everyone was putting their theories in about like, did you see there's a Dharma stamp on the shark? Like, what does that mean? And like all the and like you would catch all the shit. There's like a smoke thing that's hitting the the plane and like went crazy. And it was so much fun to do that. I mean, obviously, there was a show where like they were being mysterious every episode, they were like giving you a cliffhanger because they wanted you to do that. I just want to say, I'm confused now, having seen Friday the 13th a million times, he did drown and he is dead because why would he still be in the water?

SPEAKER_02 23:30

I told you he was Soggy Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

He is?

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Yeah, no, you said something like uh No, I called him straight up Soggy Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

It was so funny. Yeah, is that what it was? It was Soggy Frankenstein. I laughed when I was editing that.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Thank you. I'm glad somebody gets my laughs.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Anyway, so that's the scream news. Like, again, as usual, my my I'm gonna keep my expectations super low. We'll see what happens. This is super early in this announcement, but as we like started as a scream podcast, I think it's important that we had brought up that news.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Do you know what I think is funny that I'm like realizing about our personalities doing this together? You come in with like low expectations, I go in with super high expectations. We tend to typically meet in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

Totally. Which I think is what's gonna happen today when we talk about the babysitter killer queen. Okay, directed by McGee. Again, same guy. This time, different writer. There's four of them.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

It took four people to write this movie.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

That's how movies are made nowadays, right? But like I'd have never heard of these guys, but Dan Vagana, Brad Morris, Jimmy Warden, and McGee also has written credit on this. Uh the cast is basically the exact same as last time, though we have Jenna Ortega now. And some I didn't bother to write anyone's fucking names down. A couple other characters. The Metacritic score for this, which I looked up after I watched the movie because I I have to I don't want anything influencing my opinions on movies when I watch them. 22. Super low.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

22 out of 100?

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yes. Metacritic score.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

User review is a little bit higher. Not I think it was like 60 something, but um 22 is an insane, is an insane low number for this movie, I think. I think let's just go with our initial reactions and thoughts. You've seen this movie before, I have not seen this movie before.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Has your opinion changed since watching it on Wednesday or Tuesday, whenever you watch it?

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Yeah. What's funny is I was so excited for you to see the first one knowing you hadn't and remembering that I loved it. And then going back off of being on such a high from ready or not, here I come, and then being like, oh, it actually wasn't as good as I remembered it. It was fun, but it wasn't really good. Uh and I knew that this one was not as good as the first. And I was like, okay, like I felt like I struggled for things to say in the last episode. So I was like, I'm just gonna dive in and like do some extra reading, articles, whatever, like see what people were saying, and like just started reading about like people just like tearing this movie apart and being like, there's no value without Samara Weaving. Are you talking about critics or are you talking about fans or like I mean, people didn't really care enough about this movie for critics to write about it, so I mostly got fan reviews. Yeah. There was one there was one in particular that I found very interesting where a man was um writing about his experience in prison and comparing this movie to his experience in prison a lot, which was a hilarious article, very insightful. I highly recommend reading it. Um but anyways, I was like, I was extra preparing for it, and so I like go and being like, man, I like I was yeah, I was going and being like, oh yeah, this movie was a piece of shit, I barely remember it. And then because I had such low expectations going in, I was like, oh, actually, there's some still still some really fun things about it. Like, I actually don't hate this movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

I I think similar. I I hadn't I I felt like we had to do this, and the first one was fun enough. I'm like, sure, I watched another version of this or whatever. Yeah. I I mean I like this movie, yeah. I like it. I think this movie is way better than it needs to be. I think it's better than the first movie.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

So yeah. One of the things that I read when I was doing all my like my online research, somebody wrote, uh, this movie works really well if you basically view it as a live-action cartoon with blood. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Yeah. For I think general first impressions, this movie, while it has a lot of faults and it's not a serious movie or whatever, I think surpasses the first one. Is actually funny. I was actually laughing watching this movie. Uh and my criticism for the first one were like, this doesn't feel it feels like a student film. It's shot kind of like everything looks cheap, it's shot weird, like I can tell they're all acting, like they're hitting these, these uh like, you know, archetypes and plot points we've seen a million times, but they're hitting them in such a way where it's like I seen the skeleton of this, but I'm not being immersed at all.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

This movie felt like a real movie.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Like this movie felt like I could have seen this in a in a theater, even one thing that I think this does to expand upon the first, something you've pointed out twice now, um, in our Scream 7 episode and our Terrifier episode, which has not been released, is when um we get stuck reusing set pieces, and this one felt like like that lake setting, I'm sure there was actually like a lot of reused set pieces, but it didn't feel like it.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

I agree. And I think they spent so much time before they got to the lake where like once we got to like the set, I was like, it's okay. We've already this doesn't feel now so self-contained. Where it was in the woods or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Yeah, it like the the lack of set pieces now stand out to me where I'm like, oh, they didn't have money.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Yeah. For this movie, you mean?

SPEAKER_02 29:00

No, the first one now, like exactly, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Yeah, I uh yeah, I I was pleasantly surprised. I don't first of all, I'm not this isn't like a 10 out of 10 or anything, but if the first movie was a six, I think this is like a seven. Like I I would watch this again. Like this is for all of like and then I went, I read the Metacritics, and I was reading the user reviews. I'm like, people are do they just not know how? Because this movie, if they're only commenting on this movie by itself and they never saw the first one, they're not comparing it to the first one. I could see like maybe okay, this looks this is stupid. But I think it's stronger than the first movie, even though Samara Weaving is not even in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Yeah, well, and honestly, when she is in the movie, um, I don't feel like it's additive.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

No, I I I could have been fine with her not being in the movie. Yeah, yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

But but my biggest qualm with that is that it's literally called she's B. It's called Killer Queen, Queen B. Yeah, and she's not even in the fucking movie.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Yeah, it is weird. Look, I have plenty of criticisms we can talk about too. So I don't I'm not praising this movie, but I had a great time watching this.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

So let's talk about let's talk about the opening shot. I don't know if you you remember what it was.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

I do remember. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

But we're both very aware that I think adults drinking a glass of milk is just about the grossest part of the city.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Oh my god, I wrote that first note is milk. So I'm just so upset he didn't drink it. Wait, did he drink it?

SPEAKER_02 30:32

No, he like fell down and turned, moved away. And I was like, that's that's how you should react to a glass of milk.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Everyone who doesn't know like Maddie, Maddie cannot stand watching adults, just adults, which kids are fine. Does he counter than but he's in between, I guess?

SPEAKER_02 30:46

No, it's like once you're over four, don't you should not be drinking milk in front of me.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

She gets disgusted by it.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Like sick to my stomach puke. So then I literally, my note was uh let's see. Where's my done on this? That's so funny. Just when I thought a glass of milk couldn't get any worse, they turned it into a fucking period.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah. At least he didn't drink it.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

And then it's the opening scene of the fucking movie.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

I was like, I laughed so I was like, no wonder you didn't like this movie as much as the first one. First shot is milk. I thought you were talking about the the scene in the in the um therapy room, or which is also the nurses.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

I actually thought that was hilarious. I thought the nurses were so funny.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

Look, I am laughing during this movie, which I like I said in the last one, I was cringing mostly because it was like this is like tick like tick tockers tick tockers made this movie.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Which is funny because all the criticisms of this one were like, it felt like four people are trying to figure out how millennials talk or whatever, but like I did not like Millennials made this movie.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

What are you talking about? Do people not know how old millennials are?

SPEAKER_02 32:02

I just felt like this one actually the references hit better. Yes. Um, the jokes. The dialogues. The jokes were great. I mean, the the Melanie's boyfriend, his dialogue was horrible, but him aside.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

He was a bad, he was a bad actor. I laughed out loud when uh that one kid asked Jenna Ortigo if she's going to the lake later. She's like, I can't wait to finger you. I can't wait to finger you. It keeps walking. There are some good lines in this. And I want to say, one of your big things about the last movie was like you're upset about how underutilized the parents were. I gotta say, they're hilarious in this movie. This felt like watching like a real comedy almost.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

It did.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Look, granted, I don't think it's the greatest comedy of all time, but like I it was way better than the first movie. Like their dialogue when they're ringing the doorbell of the of the of the neighbor girl's dad, and he's she's like, Well, how'd you know it didn't work? Or whatever. It's like, oh you know, I came over here the other day. I was like, why?

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Oh god, when he's like, Yeah, smoke some weed, play some video games. She's like, Is that when you try to stick it in my ass?

SPEAKER_00 33:05

You can tell they're riffing, it's it, but it worked. Like, they let them be them, I think, in this one. And I and I want to say on a more serious note, like, I think their concerns as parents in this one was more believable than the first one, where they were like, Oh, my kid doesn't, he's too he's too nervous to drive a car.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

This one, like, they're actually nervous that he's like made up, he like is making up and believes that like a death cult tried to kill him.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Do you think that um the trope of nobody believing the victim works in this one?

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Yeah, I think it at first I was annoyed, but but I think more so than I felt like all the character development we got in the first movie with the kid like becoming more confident like completely disappeared. Now he just seemed like he was back to being an insecure kid again.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

That bothered me, but I think it makes sense that you wouldn't believe him.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Why would you believe that? Like, where are the dead bodies? You know.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Do you think oh this was a note, this is a note I had. I said, um Is Cole a reliable narrator? Like are we watching like are we watching an over exaggerated experience from him from his point of view?

SPEAKER_00 34:18

What do you mean? Say the I missed the first thing that you said.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Is Cole a reliable narrator narrator?

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Narrator. Yeah. Uh yeah, I think he is.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

I feel like that's something that it's like we talk about in books all the time. Like every time you read a book, like the first lit theory question you get is, is this a reliable narrator? Right. And we never talk about that in movies, and we just assume that who's ever, whoever's point of view we're seeing the story from, it's it's accurate. But clearly with all the like word explosion bullshit happening, like pocket knife, but whatever it was in this one or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Which I also had a problem with in this one, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Yeah, there's some scenes I want to do. But we'll get to the negatives.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

I got lots of negatives too.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

But is this an overplayed fantasy in Cole's head? Not necessarily a fantasy, but just an over-exaggerated situation in his head.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

No, I think in the in the in the context of the movie, it was really happening. I don't think this movie's trying to do that, but I do think that clearly this is written to be like a young male fantasy from these, like you know, it happened in the first one when you have like this beautiful girl who's like falling in love with this nerd and she likes movies and she's fucking like got trauma that somehow makes her more desirable to like do you know what I mean? Like, which is fucked up. Um, but it has all those things. Like, I mean, Jenna Ortega is playing a version of like the manic pixie girlfriend or whatever it's called in this movie. Same like Samara Weaver was acting like right in the first one where it's just like this girl that's like every guy's fantasy, and he doesn't have to work hard to like have her love him. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 36:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

I love Jenna Ortega in this movie. As much as I'm just criticizing the whole manic pixie girlfriend, like she's she's great, she's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

Hate the hair dudes though, man. When the with all the buns on the top, that's not my thing.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

You don't like the hairdo?

SPEAKER_01 36:16

No.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

I don't so you you don't like Jenna Ortega in this movie?

SPEAKER_02 36:19

No, I love Jenna Ortega in this movie. I love Jenna Ortega and everything. She's yeah hilarious. My favorite Jenna Ortega moment though, it was by far when she's on Hot Ones and he's like, What do you think of the New York Times article that said you should put peas in guacamole? And she responded, obviously that's fucking wrong.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

That's funny. Um let's talk about the big twist in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

That his little girlfriend is now wanting to be a big bad Melanie wants to be a villain.

unknown 36:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

What do you think about it?

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Oh, she wants to be an influencer. I hated it.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

You don't like this.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

I think um I think it worked.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

What don't you what don't you like about it, I guess?

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Um, okay, so the way that she actually played it, all of that worked out fine. The story, yeah, yeah, the pieces fell together, whatever. I just felt like she wasn't a necess necessary character in the first one. And then I felt like it was such a drastic departure from that character in the first one that we didn't even need. Like it just wasn't there, wasn't a character arc that went from one to two that made sense for me. You think, yeah, she just all of a sudden she is like I'm this sweet as pie little thing, and now two years later I want to be an influencer. I it's hard because they were so much older, also. Yeah, but she looks like she's like eight fucking years old in the first one, and then she's like looks like she's 10, trying to be 20, and wants to be an influencer.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Yeah. See, I I like it for a couple reasons. I like it because one, it totally ex like subverts your expectations. I didn't see this coming at all. There was a moment where I was like, wait, something's up right now. But uh, but I think what works about it is like this idea that in high school people change. I mean, there's there's people suddenly you're not friends with. You know what I mean? Like, I think that when you're 12 years old or whatever, like, oh, I I love this person, they're my best friend, and then like two years later, they become a piece of shit. I become a piece of shit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Like, because people get into high school, and all you care about is being cool and being accepted by everyone, so you fucking dump whoever.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Yeah, maybe, yeah. Exactly. I I think that I totally was like, I like that because they took her character, which I didn't think necessarily works in the first movie. I I get what they were trying to do with that, and instead of just like totally discarding that, they to me made it more interesting by now taking that character, making her the bad guy. Um it just worked for me. I don't know. I was like, fuck, that sucks.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

Like so when you were watching it, it would have been like the comic book script slapped on the screen. Bummer.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, I think they did what the fuck, or whatever, right? Is that what they did? Probably. I know they did that at some point. Yeah, because like she kills that one person that's like sitting there.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

Uh Bam Bam, is that what they called her?

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Who had one of the funniest lines?

SPEAKER_02 39:25

Boom, boom, bam, bam.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Where she says, uh, he's talking about his autoimmune disease. He's like, I'm autoimmune to you.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

So funny. Um, yeah, I like that actually. I thought that was what made this movie. I in fact, I kind of wish that I know they brought every single person back that was a bad guy in the first movie. I kind of wish they only brought a couple back. It seemed like there were too many people in this movie at a certain point where I was like, This is way too much. They got the parents, you got Jen Ortega, you got the kid, you got everyone from the first movie, and now you have these like three or four new people. I was like, this is just character overload for me.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

I did though, um Max is such a douche, but you can't help but like I love him. He's so fucking funny. Like him on the tube being like pulling himself in and whatever. And like everything he does, he's like such a piece of shit, but he's so fucking funny.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

Yeah, when he's like at the end, he's like, dude, I'm not even mad. When they're all dying, and he because he's not a virgin anymore, he's like, dude, nice. I'm not even upset.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Also, and then when we did our last episode, you were like, I want to know what everybody wanted, and then you get it, and we get to Max, and it's like, Max just wants to kill people.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Yeah, I first of all, that must have been a complaint that they were hearing because they really cleared that up in this one. I think that's almost the reason why they brought everybody.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

What did you think of the style though of how they shot that with it? Like the old video camera.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Like, I didn't mind that, honestly. That didn't bother me because it was a flashback. It made sense that it would be at least like some sort of like dreamy, sort of different palette looking. Again, I hated like anytime words would flash up. I hated the fucking video game fight sequence.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

I was wondering what you were gonna think about that. Oh, so stupid. I assume was it the same then with the the dance to Apache?

SPEAKER_00 41:18

The dance.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

When they Tonto, jump on it, and he's dancing with Jenna Ortega. Oh, with the inner.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

I was so is that what I was seeing? I don't I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

They were having sex, so they're dancing. I know they were having sex, but I don't know. And then there's like the flower opening, and then he looks so unrecognizable to me.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Oh, yeah, you're right. He looked so unrecognizable to me. It took me like half that scene to meet for me to realize that was the kid that she's dancing with. I I for a second I thought she was in on this. It was it was her as like also gonna be like a killer in this situation.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

You thought they were like being like uh beetle juiced?

SPEAKER_00 41:58

Uh yes. I was like, what is happening right now? Um that didn't like honestly, at that point I didn't care. The video game sequence, like it was just so it wasn't like it was a fun or exciting or funny. It was just can I get it started?

SPEAKER_02 42:12

I wrote down this is exactly what I wrote. Need Ben's thoughts on video game fight. Because when it started, I was like, oh no, this is gonna be dumb. But then I didn't like hate it as I was like watching like them like capture like the different moves, and then it made me think of Striking Cobras. Do you remember that Black Mirror episode?

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Uh oh yes, yes, I do.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

And then I I was like, okay, Ben's either gonna love this or he's gonna hate it.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

I didn't like it. I it felt a little bit like Scott Pilgrim. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

This whole movie felt like Mick G wanted to make Scott Pilgrim, but didn't have a comic book that he was like following to like tell him how to do it.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah, yeah, it's like someone failing at doing Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, like if they had just had the fight thing come up and then them have just like a struggle, I think that would have been fine. But they really the whole going into it, having fireballs, and like I was like, I can this scene be over? Like, I don't care about this scene, it's not suspenseful. Like, I'm like, I who is this for? Like 12-year-old boys, yeah. That's who this is for. Um but yeah, so I didn't like any of that stuff. Uh I I am happy that they they told us what everyone wished for. And I gotta say, even the main even the OG cast was funnier in this movie. Like, like uh Bella Thorne like stumbling through the window when she's like sneaking over the room. Like this movie made me laugh, and this which is something that the first movie didn't really do.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

Like this one thing that I hated though, in that when they all start coming into the houseboat and he's escaping and he He goes down the slide and lands on the jet ski. Yeah. I hated that he landed on the jet ski. It would have been so much funnier to me if he'd like almost made it and like hit his face on it or something, but like landed in the water and then had to crawl back on.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

That would have been hilarious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Yeah. I hated that he actually.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

Also, I thought it was clever when they had the trail of out the gas on fire. See, like, I think this, but I'm so confused. Like, again, this is not like a great movie, but I am confused by how poorly it reviewed because it's better than a lot of movies that I've seen come out this year, even. Like, this is this is better than it should be. It's fun. Do you yeah? I think it's fun.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

I did write The Rattlesnake in his pants is the only scary part of this movie.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

Totally true.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Literally. It's not a scary movie, it's a comedy.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Yeah. 100% it's a comedy. Yeah. Nothing is scary about this movie. Except Snake in his pants. I was a little worried about his dad at the end, I will say. I thought they were gonna off his dad or something.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

You're a little worried about his dad.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

I was. I didn't want his dad to die.

SPEAKER_01 45:01

Ken Marino.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Uh, but yeah, this movie is still like super juvenile. So what do you want to talk about? Like, I Okay, one thing that I love about this movie. Yes. Uh wait, do you like this movie more or less than the first one?

SPEAKER_02 45:15

I enjoyed watching it more than I watched the first one. I would say the first round that I watched them, I liked the first one better. Didn't think this one was as good simply because I had the hots for Samara Weaving, and then I was like, where the fuck is she?

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Um this does have less matty uh like it had the milk.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

There weren't girl on girl kisses, exactly. So no boobs, no boobs.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Uh this is the anti-maddie movie. They took your everything that you loved about the first movie and just removed it completely from this movie, even smart weaving.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

And then they added milk.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Yeah, exactly. And a rocket blasting off.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Everything I loved, you just poured milk on it. Uh, one thing I loved about this movie, fucking killer soundtrack. And I was oh, I wrote that down too.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

100% Netflix doesn't spend a bunch of money on like production, but they'll pay for fucking White Rabbit, Black Velvet, Killer Queen. Like, how much money was the music budget for this film?

SPEAKER_00 46:21

Yeah. Really good music. Really good soundtrack. I actually wrote down great soundtrack. Um, yeah, I don't even remember what the songs were in the first one.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Yeah, I remember I Want Candy was in the first one. That's the only one I remember.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Oh, yeah, that was that was a good choice, though, for that scene.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

I did notice that um how you can tell there's different writers because they both tried to keep making film references, but the first one it was all Star Trek references, and this one was constantly like Terminator references, and neither of them were relevant to the children these movies are written for.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Well, if you're a film nerd, it's oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. What a weird time we live in. I mean, now, like, if you're if you're 15 today, I mean, Terminator came out 40 years ago. Like, that would be like us being obsessed with like the original Ocean's 11 when we were kids. Like, that would never happen.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

But Terminator is more timeless than than those movies, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

I would no, I would disagree. I think that when we were kids, those movies still look great.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

But you could watch that movie and be like, this doesn't look like that.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

But do you know kids who still watch those movies like like our parents showed us? I don't know any kid that watches movies, and Star Wars lives on. And I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

Yeah, but people don't watch the old G like the original trilogy.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_00 47:41

I think if you're a kid today who was 12 when the sequel trilogy came out, I think you're those are your Star Wars movies.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

I don't know because at Disneyland, they are now bringing back Darth Vader, Leia, like Skywalker as characters because like all these people are introducing their kids to the original Star Wars movies.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

Maybe. I think that's because they they are worried that millennials aren't liking it, and that's a big demographic for Star Wars. Here, this is a whole tale. We'll talk about this one time, but I think we need to make new IP for the younger people and stop making just IP for millennials because that's all that's happening. Every even this Harry Potter movie show that's coming out, it's like no kid is watching this anymore.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

You don't think so? You don't think Harry Potter will be like, I mean, I think it will do well. I think Harry Potter is a bad example for a new generation.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

I honestly think that everything that's being made, people are thinking in terms of like what millennials like, what we grew up with, and that's why you're getting like Terminator 6 and fucking Millennials, where a film thrived and went to die. I would love new IP, you know? Yeah. I'm ready for new IP. I don't need to see Indiana Jones again. Ever again. The new the last one. I mean, I'll watch the old one. I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Was it any good?

SPEAKER_00 48:54

Yeah, you know what? It's alright. Um I'll never watch it again, but do you know what I mean? It's better than a lot of movies I've seen. I don't know. Um, we guess you talk about this movie. Because I'm I'm just realizing right now this is gonna be the hardest fucking episode I've ever edited in my entire life.

SPEAKER_02 49:13

The hardest episode to edit? Why?

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Because I think it's already been an hour and five minutes, and I Well, literally the first 15 minutes of it you can just cut out. Well, I'll I'll I'll salvage some of that.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

This is gonna be hard. You're right.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Um but we still have a lot to talk about, I think, because we haven't really talked about. Like, I don't know your like what did you think about the old cast coming back? Would you have preferred it?

SPEAKER_02 49:37

I actually thought they were really funny. Um I would agree, like, this had like some serious laugh out loud moments, like when they're like passing the cup of the mixed blood around, and then Bella Thorne, who we made the like gum gingivitis jokes about, then passes it to what's his name, and he like wipes it off and he's like, I don't know where your mouth has been. I laugh pretty much all over some more weaving.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Um, I also loved when uh the one girl was getting run over and she was like, turn your high fiends off, you asshole, or whatever she said.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

I also like when uh Bella Thorne was just excited.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

Bella Thorne was almost the best part about this movie, almost like she was good.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Yeah, and I I was laughing because like when she like gets stuck by her neck. I wanted her to get stuck by her boobs. That would have been funnier for me. But I get that they like couldn't necessarily rip her in half from the waist, but you also actually couldn't rip her body off her neck just by pulling on her legs.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

So I was like, Maybe you could.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Maybe we should test that theory.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Myth busters. Where's mythbusters when you need them? Asking the hard questions. If your head is stuck between two rocks and you pull really hard on the legs, can you rip someone's head off? Um let's talk about the end.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

Uh what else do you want to?

SPEAKER_00 51:06

Sorry, this is a weird transition I just made. I just lost my train of time. Anyways. I was thinking about maybe we should cut out.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

Well, okay, so as we get to the end and the dads, yeah, so the dads show up.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Well, I was waiting for fucking Samara Weaving because you said she doesn't show up till halfway through the movie, and I'm like, she hasn't really shown up at all. And I kept looking at the time left. I was like, Well, she just like it's frustrating. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

It's frustrating. And a note I wrote was I think they built off the hype of her and then they couldn't get her. And I think that's part of why this movie's panned because people are like, we want Samara. We're gonna be able to do that. This movie is undeservingly panned. Yeah, I would agree with that because it's really fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Yeah. I'm very confused by that.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

But I think the identity of this film was built around her, and then she's not in it. It's like um you're you're promising something and not delivering. It's like all the Stu fans who are like, wait, you mean Stu actually isn't alive, and now I got the worst fucking ending of a scream movie I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

So you can understand the disappointment of the loyalists. Anyhow, here's something that drove me crazy because you know that I always have one or two things where I can't suspend my disbelief on.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

Yeah, you you you're not a belief dis suspender. Not when it's not done well. You're not a disbelief suspendable.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

I can suspend my disbelief when it's done well. I will still maintain on screen four that I never would have thought that those killers were too small. If I blame Wes Craven, if he had not used that shot of Charlie struggling to hold a knife to Nev's throat, it would have been okay. He didn't make me question Emma Roberts' size, and she's fucking tiny. Knowing her.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yeah, but again, she knocked him over immediately.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

I know, but like that's just what ghostface is.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

It wasn't like they were pretending like he was stronger than her.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

But when he's in the ghost face costume, they are. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Everyone is when they're in the ghost face.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

But you think fucking you can't have two personality. I don't want to have this discussion again. All right, fine.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Whatever. Anyways, this is my disbelief suspension issue with this one. So the dad darts him in the neck.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

We should have a whole segment where you do this for every movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:26

Where I just get pissed off about something that I'm like, there's no way you can buy this.

SPEAKER_00 53:31

Exactly. So the dad darts him in the neck, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:34

Gives him a little tank tank.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

In the shoulder, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Neck. He shouldered him. He didn't neck him.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

He shouldered him.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Whatever. He tranquilized his kid, okay? Yeah. This is the problem that I have.

SPEAKER_00 53:47

He wakes up immediately.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

So they drive far enough that the kid is able to wake up.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

But I agree. I was like, what is it close enough that the dad is able to run back?

SPEAKER_00 54:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

After he takes the case.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

We didn't go very far. I think the idea is that the noise of the of the car going off woke him up. And then he like chugged that coffee that was right next to him. It was stupid. It was stupid. I agree. I was like, this is stupid. Why why not use cult chloroform instead?

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Yeah. That would have been funny, too.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

It'd be weird to chloroform your kid.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

That would be a little creepy, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Yeah. You'd be like, I'm actually the killer.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

I'm in the death cult too. I also did write up right after that. Um, because then we have our climax, and I wrote, It kind of bums me out. I feel like Samara we've even phoned it in on this one a little bit. And I do know that she was, you know, the whole reason that she wasn't like the star of this movie is that she had other scheduling conflicts and she was busy filming other things. So like the fact that she made time to come back and like do this, cool, great. But you can tell you can tell when an actor's not fully submerged themselves back into that role, just like Matthew Lillard coming back as stew 30 years later and doesn't have the like he's not he's not the same character.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

I think that's a different thing. I don't think he was like he It's been 30 years for him. Or with with Samar Weaving, I think maybe she was just busy and she phoned it in. She just phoned it in, yeah, exactly. I don't think I don't think Matthew Lew Lillard phoned it in. I think he did I thought he was good actually, but it felt like a different weird happen. Because also we had just watched it. And also it wasn't even him.

SPEAKER_03 55:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

It's like someone pretending to be him, so anyway.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Touche. But yeah, I was I was bummed that like she just wasn't uh Yeah, it felt weird that whole scene.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

I knew it was gonna be her driving that fucking car.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

I didn't. That I did not.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Yeah. I mean, I was like, why aren't they showing the driver? Is it a man? Like, is is nobody driving? Like, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 55:57

But it is like a weird kind of come together where it's like, I was your babysitter, and I was your babysitter, and I knew that you guys would have sex, and I've been bad, so I have to go to the devil now.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

It's all very stupid. Again, I'm not trying to say, like, make this out to be this amazing movie. I just don't think it's as bad as people are saying it is.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

It's a fun movie.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

It's funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

I like my like final thought consensus on it is like, yeah, when Donnie's 12 years old and wants to watch scary movies with his friends who are over, I'll be like, you can watch these movies. Like, are they violent? Yeah, but not in a way that's gonna scare my kid. They're gonna think they're watching these cool fucking movies. They're like, oh my god, mom, mom, let me watch the babysitter. And I would have no problem with him watching them.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

They're not gonna know what this movie is. You're gonna be like, You're gonna watch this movie and you're gonna like it.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Donnie, sit down. I'm gonna make you, I'm gonna teach you about Samara Weedy.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

Oh, you're like, I'm gonna show my kid the babysitter, where I was like, I'd be like, I'm showing my kid Jurassic Park. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 57:01

Like Oh, he's gonna be a Jurassic Park fan. Those are Chloe's favorite movies.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

Yeah. Not that new one though, goddamn.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

I liked the new one.

SPEAKER_00 57:09

No, are you insane? Oh my god. Worst movie I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 57:13

I like that it started out as a monster movie.

SPEAKER_00 57:17

This movie that movie got gr pretty good reviews. No, maybe didn't. I don't know. I don't know how people like that movie. That movie is so bad. I have never s heard dialogue so bad in like a big movie like that in a long time. I mean, the dialogue was horrid. Watch it again and listen to Scarlet Johansson talk to like just speak. It is like not engaging dialogue, it is like overly explaining. It is like this is not funny, it's not interesting, it is literally just there. Welcome to the future of movies where we're we're here writing for morons with and maybe that's why I like the babysitter killer queen, because the bar is so fucking low. I get really depressed about it. It's like this is like something that I love.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

Yeah, and I have film is a dying art form, which is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

It's dead.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

I mean, there's still a few.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

People don't care. People don't give a shit. There's still a Mario movie.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

There's still a few good films coming out.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

I mean like what?

SPEAKER_02 58:29

One battle after another.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Yeah. One movie. I want to get your thoughts. I guess your final thought. Like first of all, I love the final scene. I thought I I obviously I knew it was what was gonna happen. Like I knew. Like, oh, he's not a virgin anymore, right? Like they're gonna go, they're all gonna, yeah, it's gonna not work. I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

I screamed how they played it though, because they played it like he wasn't aware that it wasn't gonna work. Instead of it being like his like plan, it came off more as like he didn't even think about it.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

I don't think it was his plan. In fact, the whole time I was like, if all they needed was like a syringe of his blood, why didn't he just give it to them and then walk away? Why all of this? Like it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they didn't have to kill him. Okay, just take some of my blood and I'm gonna go home.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Like, who can't leave a witness. Ben, don't you kill people?

SPEAKER_00 59:16

They're gonna be immortal. Who cares? Like, make the deal with the devil. Like, I won't be caught. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

They're not immortal, though. They're just getting what they want. They didn't ask for immortality.

SPEAKER_00 59:25

That's true, which is stupid. They should have. I don't know, man. I want to be a rapper.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

Like, I'd be like, I want Okay, I did hate that one scene where they cut to him in the booth and he's supposed to be funny being bad, but it wasn't funny. It was just like really, really like.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

He had some funny moments in this one. Because I didn't think it was very funny in the first movie, but I thought there was a and I forget what it is now, but I was laughing. I I mean a lot of the flashback scenes were kind of dumb. Yeah. With the exception of Bella Thorns.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

I don't even remember hers.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

I just remember she like she's like at the news desk.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

Oh, the audition at the news desk.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

Yeah. She was great in this.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

She was pretty funny in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

She earned my respect in this. I think given giving the right writing, I guess, she could be pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

I haven't this is the only movie I've probably seen that she's in, actually, these two movies, but um she was cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:21

I did also appreciate that they bookended it with him going back to the nurse. His whole like, I'm I'm cool now, um, whatever, it was all delusions persona, like that was whatever, I didn't care. But the nurse is fucking hilarious. But also the nurse gave another shot in it. Yeah, and in our last episode, we were like, has anybody get gotten a shot from a high school or a school nurse? I think this is what it was. I'm pretty positive that when I was in elementary school, they had like a doctor's office bring in nurses to do vaccines. No way, but it wasn't the school nurse. I like have a very distinct memory of this at Westridge Elementary School in like kindergarten or first grade.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

I don't I don't think that's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

Somebody tell us, does anybody else really maybe you dreamed it?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

You dreamt, you dreamt it?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

I dreamt getting shots in school, maybe high school.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

I don't know. You have a false memory in there. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

I also I remember when they would do the hearing test and you they'd like put the like things on, they'd be like, raise your hand when you hear anything. And I'd like think maybe I heard things, so I'm pretty sure I was just raising my hand way more than any of the beeps were.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

It's not beeping, but she's hearing something. You're like, it's not a voice, but I hear something. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I could there's a lot I could talk about still. I feel like we've we've kind of been talking a lot about I I think a lot of the kills were funny, a lot of references work. That the whole uh deliverance thing was funny, minus this this the SA stuff. Um, Jen Ortega was great. He was great. I guess you know it's funny. I read about this, they look so much older in this movie is because like literally they shot the first one in like 2016.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

Yeah, this one was like four years later, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

But on top of art, they already had shot it and they didn't release it until 2017. Yeah. So it was like two-year delay, so they were like way older.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Right, which is what drove me nuts about his little girlfriend becoming the villain, only because it was like she was like 10 and then she was like 16. Yeah, it was like a very like abrupt.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

Well, she wasn't then, they were 12 or whatever in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

It was just a very abrupt transition.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Yeah, that was what I thought that was cool. I thought I liked how they did that. Um, but they also made it seem like she was in the cult the whole time or something. Which I thought was weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

Well, she said I also signed my name in the book.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

But like when?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

Yeah. And I don't like I didn't think the whole time, but it was like, so what so if you saw what was happening this night and you decided you wanted to be in it, how do you how do you find, how do you pursue the book?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Those of you out there, if I want to sign my name in the post- Oh, the fucking post-credit scene, who knows who's gonna find it next.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

So I did not see the post-credit scene.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

Yeah, it's just the the book is in the sand and the wind is blowing it. Like it's it's very Jumanji picked up. Yeah. And they're going to uh I mean there's our I guess they're already developing another one.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:22

So they won't Oh yeah, I just saw that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

Yeah. McGee wants to cap it off or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

So will Samara come back?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

I don't know. I think maybe now. I mean they'd have to pay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

It is funny watching these right after Ready or Not because it's even like on the dock, like that when they exploded for Oh, when they explode.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

I'm like they stole that from Ready or Not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

But they came out before Ready or Not.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

This movie did?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

I don't know. I feel like they came out, I don't know. It's all meshed together.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

This movie, I I assume that this movie came out after and they were just like copying.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:54

The first one came out and then Ready or Not came out. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

I don't I don't know exactly either. I don't know when Ready or Not came out. Um but yeah, I mean here's the thing. I overall, I think this movie's better than the first one. Minus, I think it is suck, it does suck that we don't have Samara Weaving the whole time. I agree with that. But I think as a movie, it's stronger. It's a stronger movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:20

I had more fun watching it than I expected.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:23

Um it's shot better, it's written better, it the it's funnier, the soundtrack's better, the production is better. Everything about this movie is better than the first one.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Except Samara Weeping.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

Except Samara Weeping. And it's another one.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:35

They should have just scrapped her from the movie because what we got of her in this like let Well depends.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

Maybe she's in the whole third one.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

Right, but but I don't want her phoned-in performance. I would rather just she's busy. Don't try to slaughter in and get like not her best. Let little Melanie have her spotlight and bring Samara back for the third one if timing works out.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

I do think though it was nice because I like we were talking about last episode where we were un it was unclear to me whether she actually wanted to kill the kid or not. And this one they clearly are making a decision, which is like, no, she didn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

She actually in fact, I thought that was a cool idea. Like she sold her soul to save Janorte originally, which also doesn't relate to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

But it doesn't, it also doesn't yeah. Because it's like she does so many things that have nothing to do in the first one with like this movie is fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

It's better than the first one, and it's funny, but that's about it. You'll enjoy it if you watch it. I feel like if you're a horror fan, you'll enjoy this movie. If you're a comedy fan, you'll enjoy it. I think so. Uh okay. We've been sit we've been rambling about this movie. I think we've made our points. Like, have we made our points? I don't know. Let us know. I I think you did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

You think this is better than the first, and I I mean yeah and I totally get your arguments on why. I don't necessarily think it's better than the first. Um I truly don't know if that's because it's not or if it's because the lack of Samara just makes me less interested. Yeah. Um but it's funny. Like it is funny. And it's another to piggyback off the first one, it is what it is. Like they made what they set out to make, and they didn't they did that. Yeah. They knew they weren't making an A-list.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:35

I think if I think if they had if the first one had had the jokes landed better and it wasn't, it didn't feel as like forced and cringy, I think it would have been like this is I think this is the movie they really wanted to make the first time. And I think they just barely missed the mark.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

Do you think it could have been a theatrical release?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:54

This one?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

Yeah, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

100%, yeah. I think this one looks like this one is definitely shot better. Like this this one looks better. Like it looks like a movie. It doesn't look like I'm looking through someone's like camcorder. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

Yeah, it's not as contained as the first one.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

But it's not as contained. Which is both have its has its pros and cons. I think. I got nothing else. This has been a long one. I'm gonna trim it down probably. Yes. So that was our review of the babysitter, killer queen. Check it out if you like horror comedies, and you have uh and you're open to juvenile humor. I don't know. You got anything to say? And that's it, bitch. That's it, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:38

Thanks for tuning in.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:41

Later.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Peace.