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Obsession: A fantastic twist on a classic cautionary tale

May 20, 2026 • Slasher Bash • Season 1 • Episode 19

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This week on Slasher Bash, Maddi and Ben review Obsession, the new unsettling, horror film from Curry Barker, and ask the question "Is this a good date movie"?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Let's do this, bitch. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Are you ready to record?

SPEAKER_01 0:29

I am ready to record.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Are you doing the intro?

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Let me get my noises out, my pig noises out.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Yeah, whatever. I don't like to hear. I try to disassociate when you do that.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

If you ever look at me and I'm just like really not looking at you, I'm disassociating.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Got it. Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

I had to do that a couple times in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Don't say anything yet. Okay. Are you taking the intro or am I?

SPEAKER_00 0:56

You are, because I always do it. I'm tired.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Welcome to Slasher Bash. No, I'm kidding. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Slasherbash, the podcast. The podcast where a couple of friends talk all things horror. I'm your host, Madison, here with my co-host Benjamin.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

What's up, everybody? Welcome.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

And we're here today to talk about obsession.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Obsession, the horror movie. Yes. Which, by the way, I was thinking about it. We haven't reviewed a movie in a while because our last episode was an interview.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Which speaking of, before we get into obsession, we did just get to go to the premiere of Woozy.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Yeah, but was it it wasn't a premiere? I mean, it was a premiere, but it was a film festival. Yes, but it officially premieres. It was shown before.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Only it's only been reviewed by the panel of judges, so that's why he already knew he was winning awards before. But this was like the actual premiere. It's like when a movie premieres at Sundance.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

So like it's reviewed to get into the festival, but like it's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

We got to go. We got to meet everybody. Sorry, I'm lost. I'm tired today.

unknown 2:05

Good.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

I had a long day and we're doing this so late. We had a long weekend. It's our normal time, but it feels late. We had a long weekend.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Real qu yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Yeah, so go ahead, do your thing. I'm interrupting you too much.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Oh, you're good. So my wife and I flew in Saturday for a quick 36-hour trip to go to the premiere. Got to grab uh dinner with our homie Victoria Millet. She's one of the stars of Woozy.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Went to the premiere and got to like kick it and catch up afterwards with Joey and Jackie Cruz and Jeff Adler and Emile Hirsch was there. We didn't really talk to him, but uh I was too scared to talk to him. Yeah, he he had that intimidating presence for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

I mean, I like he doesn't give a shit to talk to me. What is he gonna talk to me about? You know what I mean? I'm not gonna bother him. He seemed to be talking to somebody. I was like, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

I ain't gonna shit. Uh it was a good time. It was great. Got to meet a bunch of people involved in making it, and everybody was just awesome. And uh and Joey was correct that it is a vomit whore.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Don't spoil it, don't spoil it.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

He spoiled it. That's it. That's all I'll say. But we had a blast. Uh yeah, it was great. Thanks, Joey, for inviting us out. Real good time. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Anyway, sorry, this was a terrible transition. You want to talk about feeling uncomfortable? Having a movie make you feel uncomfortable. Watch this movie. Obsession.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

I this was before we get into it.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Oh, run your stats.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Should I is this is is this should I stop doing this? No, I like it. This is Obsession, written and directed by Curry B Curry Barker, who FY, if you don't know, is directing the next uh Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Uh Metacritic score 77. That's all I wrote for this. That's all you get. I think the budget was like 750 million or a thousand.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Yeah, so this is like what is unbelievably impressive about the achievement of this film is that they made it for under a million and he shot it in 20 days. That is like for those of you who don't know anything about a shooting schedule, like 30 days is tight. Like 20 days is unheard of. So it's pretty unbelievable that he accomplished what he did with that budget and that schedule.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Yeah, I agree. Um, it also feels like it costs more money than that, or it looks like it costs more money than that.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Totally, I would say. And one thing that was interesting that I was reading is that um he's really uh obsessed as a director. Like he was talking to in an interview about the learning process from this film because he really wanted to do those like long shots and not cut unless he absolutely had to. So he had so many long takes that it actually really messed up the editing process for him. And he like discusses like the learning process of needing like more coverage and not just focusing on like the long, like no-cut takes and like how much that affected. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

I feel like maybe he he started doing long takes without really kind of planning it out, maybe, and then realizing that they were just too long. And he was like, I have no way to cut into this now because I have to get to the end of this cut. But I also started with something important too. So there's like all this in the middle that I just can't cut cut out of, right? Mm-hmm. Um, I could totally see that. Because there were towards the beginning, I was like, wow, there's a lot of like this is a little bit slower than I would like at the very beginning, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Um, but uh let's talk about just like over, like let's do our overview of like what do you think of the movie overall, and then we'll go into deep spoilers.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

So for those of you who don't know, um I typically make our recording schedule, and Ben will be like, No, I don't want to do that movie if uh there's one that I put on that but stuff like that. You maybe sell I do that all the time. I mean, I I don't think you've done that. We've recorded before you've been like, let's not release this, but but we there was one I didn't want to release. We're gonna redo it.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Yeah, we'll redo it. Um sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

But this wasn't on the schedule, and Hokum was, and uh then we were the only two people, us and sci-fi, Aaron, I guess, were the only three people and my sister McLean who thought we saw a different movie than everybody else. Like, even at work today, people were like, Hokum was amazing. I was like, Did you see the same fucking movie?

SPEAKER_00 6:22

They're wrong, they don't care about movies or they're okay with trash. I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Yeah, and then uh obsession started getting like uh the hype from the previews, and I was like, I don't know, it's like Hokum has so much hype, but yeah, we decided to fuck it, like let's just throw it in. And I'm really glad we did.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Totally, me too. Really glad me too, really glad we watched this movie. I sort of, and just to give my thing, I sort of wrote it off too because from seeing the trailer, I having seen so much content and movies and television, I was like, oh, this is just a ripoff of this one episode from a TV show from the 90s. You know what I mean? And I was like, Was it buffy? It was it was at least that's what the trailer presented itself as, like, right? Like a love spell. But love spells are you know, they're gonna make the person who it's put on like obsessed about you and it becomes dangerous, right? Mm-hmm. So I was like, oh, they're just doing this same thing that I've already seen that I think was done really well.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Which also we were like, this is a ripoff of practical magic, because in practical magic it's the whole. So there's a in the movie, there's a quick shot of it where the woman comes in like for a love special or love um special, uh love uh. Can I get the love special? Yeah. Can I get the love special? Comes in for a love spell. Yeah. And they're like, be careful what you wish for. In the book, it really develops into where he becomes so obsessed with her that she like actually goes insane and goes mute and like ends up like cutting off her own tongue and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Shit. So it's that's practical magic.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

The book, yeah. It's not in the movie. Well, it's it's it's discussed briefly in the movie, but not to the extent that the book gets into it.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Gotcha. Did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

No.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

So yeah, it's playing with something, and you know, I'm not this is not me insulting the writer-director. I think that I just wrote that off as like derivative. Do you know what I mean? But after seeing it, I'll say, like, no, this is completely its own thing. And the starting point might be a very we're talking over each other.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Isn't that good? You talk, you go.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Well, I okay, all right, I'll just talk. Just real quick. Overall, this movie was a hell of a horror movie. Like, I felt so it's been a long time since I've a horror seen a horror movie where I was like simultaneously disturbed and on the edge of my seat the whole time. Like, I was uneasy the whole time. I don't know if it was because I was in the midday and I was just not in the mood to watch something scary. There's only four people in my theater, but the whole time I was just like, I god, I don't feel good being watching this. Like, I want this to be over. Not because it's bad, but because it succeeds so well at being what it's trying to be, which is like this cautionary tale, this disturbing story of like, you know, be careful what you wish for situation. And I, if you're a horror fan, like I would highly recommend this, but this isn't like you know, a fun movie. Like, never in this movie are you like, this is fun. I don't have a smile on my face right now. Like, no, you're like, oh my god, this is I I feel so uncomfortable the whole time. I in fact, I went by myself and the whole time I was feeling like I wish I wasn't by myself because I feel almost more like a like creepy. Like I feel, I don't know. It was like a weird, unsettling feeling I was having. And also, do not take a date to this movie.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Do not I mean I took my wife.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

I thought you said she didn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

She didn't see Hokum. She saw this with me.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Oh, okay. Well, I would recommend you not take a date. Maybe a wife's okay or a husband, but I made a lot of date. Like if you watch this with someone you're interested in, like it might ruin it. The end of the relationship. And in fact, real quick, I want to tell a funny story. When I walked in today, when I walked into the theater, it was like 2 30 or whatever, and it was like no one was in there. It was just me and the one person who was taking like selling tickets and selling concessions at the same time. It was like this cute girl. And she was like, I can help you. And I went over and I was like, Yeah, can I get one for for obsession? And you know, there was like kind of a flirty vibe happening, sort of little bit, and then I was like, Have you seen the movie? And she was like, No, but it's on my it's on my list of must-sees. And I was she was like, Let me know how it is, or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

So now are you taking her to it?

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Afterwards, I was so like grossed out, disturbed, I didn't even, I didn't even I couldn't even speak to her. I just like walked back right out. I was like, No.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Shame. So anyway. Well, the girl who works at Landmark on Sunset. Ben thinks you're cute. Don't tell him where I saw the movie.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

I'm taking that out.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Just beep it, bleep it.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Yeah, I will. All right. So what are your overall overall thoughts? What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 11:07

I think because I had no expectations for it, I was just blown away. Like I really thought that it was good. Um and then I just read those stats, and I was just so incredibly impressed with what Curry Barker did with Solo. And then I was like shocked that I read it. They they filmed it in LA in San Francisco, and I couldn't believe that. I like thought for sure it was like Vancouver. Like, even that first opening shot in the diner, I was like, is that Pop's chocolate shop from uh Riverdale? It was not, but I thought So you So you liked it. Oh yeah, I liked it.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Were you as disturbed as I was?

SPEAKER_02 11:45

No.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Weird.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

I think I laughed more than you did, probably. Really? Yeah, we laughed. But we were in a packed theater. And we were drunk.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

I was not. It was like me alone in this theater. I was scared.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

I mean, I thought it was really, really creepy and unsettling for sure. But there were definitely because you had that big crowd energy, like there are moments when everybody's like laughing together, you know?

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Yeah, I mean there was some sp also some like very like there were purposeful jokes in the movie too. Like there were some obvious, like, we need some sort of levity here. But overall, I felt like I I don't want to say I was scared, I was more just like uncomfortable, like I was just like uncomfortable. I didn't want to be in the same room as this I mean it's a movie, but like as this, you know, almost possessed person. Yes. I have no idea what this person's gonna do at any moment.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Like that was the way the movie shot part of it is that this this wish was treated as not like her true intentions and like a possession, like demonic possession taking over her because like what he wished for was not a natural thing for her character.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Dude, so okay, we're just gonna get into it then. Spoilers from here on out. 100% spoilers. Like that to me was like the little cherry on the tops of this movie. Cause like you didn't have to do that. Like it was creepy alone. But to have that added layer of like moments where she like snapped out of it for like a second, and then when she does, it's like, kill me. Oh, yeah, and that one point too. But there's other moments where she's just like, What the fuck is happening? And like she doesn't she like stops like mid-make out or something and like freaks out, right? Like it's very clear that she is aware of what's happening. And it's funny, not but help but be upset, like it's like against her will. And obviously, it's already against her will, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Like and it makes it so interesting with his character because you're like, Okay, Barry like seems like such a nice guy, and he genuinely loves her, but then these moments remind you that what he is is taking away a person's free will, and it reminds you of how fucked up that is.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Yeah, but I will say, like, that's what I thought this was gonna be. Like, I thought I'm never going to sympathize with this person because he's wishing for this, but it's he does it when he makes the wish itself, like he's doing it in such a casual, like quick throwaway way that he's not like really he's not intending what he's not really he just really likes this girl. He likes this girl, he just fucked up. He like he didn't tell her he liked her, he's just like fuck, I wish you like, and he just breaks the thing and then that's it. And then all of a sudden, immediately she's like standing outside, right? Like, yeah, if they hadn't done it that way, I think he would have not been a sympathetic character at all. Not at all, it would have been like Chris Pratt and Passengers or something. Like, right? It would have been like some. Yeah, exactly. Like, I I like I hope you die, you know what I mean? But and I think even that that adds that element of like because if it if you did that, and then someone started like, would you like you're not gonna you're not gonna believe that that's why why she liked, like you know what I mean? Like yeah, it'll help.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Well and that's the thing. As soon as he realized what he did, and then he calls and he's like, I want to like take back a wish or whatever, and then guys Which is like halfway through the movie, though. I mean, that's not like But the But the guy's like we don't really do that, and it's gonna like last until you mean Satan?

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Like who was he talking to? Satan.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Uh so Satan's like, um if if that was Satan, Satan's a massive stoner. Yeah, I'm sure he is. But when he's like, we don't really do that, and he's like, Well, what? So it just lasts forever. And he's like, Well, until you die. I immediately looked at Chloe and was like, he needs to kill himself. Like he right now should be aware of what he did and man up and just kill himself.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Okay, let's be realistic. Like, no one's gonna be like, I guess I'll just kill myself now. That is like a complete unrest like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Maybe edit that out. I shouldn't talk so cabal. No, no, I think I get what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Like, do the right thing and just kill yourself.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yeah, you just ruined this girl's life. Give her her life back, sacrifice your own to give her hers back. Is that a bit of a few?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

But think about the situation. Like, are you believing this phone call? Like, are you believing what's really happening? Do you really believe if you die, like the second, yes.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

He everything was so weird immediately. Yes, he knows it's real.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah. Well, I don't think so. I think that I think that the and I'm not trying to give this guy sympathy at all. Like, I'm just saying, like, I think I think people's behavior in this movie was realistic in like not only sort of like being like unch like there's no way in hell that my a wish that I made came true. Yeah. And then two having the convince yourself that no, maybe this is maybe it's okay. Like, maybe I you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 16:24

Like, I think Well, it's like, I mean, we've all gone through things where we've had crushes on a close friend, and and you have these moments of really close intimacy where then you're like, is this just me? Is it not? Would we get this close if it wasn't both of us? And so I can see where he can like very easily like believe that she has shared feelings.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Yeah, and I but I think that he never at any point after this happens is like a hundred percent like this is okay. No. Do you know what I mean? He's always kind of like like this is crazy, this can't be real, but it feels like it is real. You know what I mean? Like, I I think and then you add on the idea, and I think this is what the film does really well, but it's more subtext, is like, what is this mean? Like, what is this person capable of now? Like, if I say I don't love her, is she just gonna straight up murder me now? Like, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Like it puts him in a very terrifying position for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I couldn't I couldn't live like that. I don't know what I would do.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

I would lose my fucking life.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

I would run away. Like, you're never gonna find me. Like, that's insane. Like, what was happening?

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Um But this is like my my mine and Chloe also, we were talking about this a lot afterwards. The the one issue is that this film is about obsession, but his wish was just that like like I don't know, maybe Curry Barker just hasn't had a healthy relationship, but like true love is not obsessive. And so his wish to me didn't condone somebody going like that psycho-obsessed over him because true love is like wanting what is best for that person in every possible way, no matter what that means for you. And if so when he so because of that, my take on the movie was him saying, I love her more than, or I want her to love me more than she's loved anybody else, and that reference in the very beginning to people calling her freaky Nikki and us not really knowing why. I took this as maybe she had obsessive tendencies prior, and so that's why for her, him wishing her to love her more than anybody becomes an obsessive quality and not like a genuine like love, as I would consider true love to be.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

I like that. I like that take a lot. I I did not, I feel like it's very much like love can make you do things and say things and whatever that is super dangerous. And like I think that if you say like I it's not like I wish that she loved me. It's wish that I that she loved me more than anyone else in this entire world, basically, or ever will, right? Like that is a type of obsession that and it's funny we talked about that Buffy episode earlier, but like that's kind of what the Buffy episode plays with too. It's like a love spell is not about love, it's about obsession, purely. And they even say that in the episode. And like what it what that does is it makes people stop eating and stop sleeping and like only think of this person and can want to control everything they do and overanalyze everything that they say and every like movement they make, like doubt the love, like why don't you love me? Like blah blah blah, and like and and they obviously they they they turn the volume up to a extreme level for the horror aspect of it all. But I sat there and thought about like you know, the philosophical question of like, yeah, like what does pure 100% psychotic obsession look like? And I think it would be as terrifying as what we saw in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Oh yeah. Like when he leaves and she just stands there, and it has all those like sore.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Because her whole existence now is just to like be obsessed with that.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Throwback to the exorcist, he did a good job like doing some like references in there with her just standing there pissing on the carpet.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

And then he comes home and it's like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Can you imagine coming home to that? How fucking like what would you do? Like, what dude?

SPEAKER_00 20:21

I don't know. Then that's why I think the movie does well is like we can sit here and be like, Oh, you should just kill yourself or whatever, but like really, like, what would you do?

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Like, well, and I love too that his friend Ian is like, listen, dude, obviously she is going through something, and it looks like you're taking advantage of that. Yeah, it's such an interesting lens to add into this. Like, there is you're watching the genuine, terrifying experience he's going through, and then you're watching the outside world go, like, bro, what are you doing? Like, this is fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

But even, but then we learned even more about that. When once you find out that, oh, they were hooking up him and I guess that immediately. Well, even so, but that adds another layer of like, oh, now is he just saying that because like he's jealous? Do you know what I mean? Like, there's it's you're right too.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Like, you are right, but in the scene when they're talking in the diner and he's like, Nope, don't say that, it doesn't work, which it was hilarious that then it's the the chick who works at the restaurant that he's talking to.

SPEAKER_03 21:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Um, but it was pretty obvious. And then he's like, call her freaky Nikki. So he's like planting like these bad like things that aren't gonna go well in his head. And then there's also like a line in that scene where he says something about like take her breath away, and Chloe looked at me and she's like, Oh, that's foreshadowing. Um, but it just like right from the start, it was like clearly this guy's acting like his friend, but like setting him up to not either follow through or have it go in his favor.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

See, I didn't even put the I th I thought he was just trying to like help.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Somebody trying to talk you out of t telling the person you like that you like him?

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Like that's oh, I took that as he was he was telling him not to say what he just said to her. Say something better than that, less creepy, less.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

I guess, but then l in later scenes, he's like, not now, this isn't the time, not now.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Oh, yeah, or when he's trying to get him to leave the table and he won't do it or whatever. Like, that should have been a sign too. But I I didn't really put that together. I do like though how the movie opened up where like him facing like looking at the camera basically, saying confessing his obsession to us, the audience.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

What okay, now that you say that, now I'm like, okay, if he's wishing that she loved him more than she's loved anybody, and if he's kind of obsessed, does the love take the form of his purest love? Is that like that the spell?

SPEAKER_00 22:36

What I'm saying is like love, you're thinking of love as in like true love. Like you like, well, there's love and lust.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

And I think that everything that you're describing is lust. I don't think that's actual love. Actual love is incredibly.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

But I think that's what this movie's about. I think in this movie, like his infatuation with Nikki, and when he's trying to be like a nice guy and confess his love in this, like, very like, oh, I've seen a couple movies of where they do this way, right? Like, it comes off as creepy, and I think it's his obsession that leads to him now forced and then getting that back on him in sort of an ironic way of like, oh, this is what it feels like to be a guy who's trying to be a nice guy and confess their love to someone when they don't reciprocate. Like, now that's now I'm seeing what that feels like in the reverse of that, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Like, it's interesting how relevant it is though, as like, I mean, I know like me too is kind of like gone away, but it does a really good job of showing you guys who think they are nice guys who have genuine intentions, but it points out the problem in their antics.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Well, it points I think it's yes. I think it shows that could like just because you have feelings for someone, just because you you would do anything for them and that you just because you're a nice person, you see them in a way that no one else can possibly see doesn't mean that you're owed anything from that person. Yeah. That she's not into him in any way. Like, like and she turns around like, do you like me? Like she's trying to just like get it done so like they can just be over it.

SPEAKER_03 24:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Um, and he won't confess or whatever. Like to me, it's clear that like she doesn't, she's not into him. And but he's he won't let he won't let himself accept that. He still has hope that maybe actually maybe she was into me and she was wanting me, she wanted me to say those things. You know what I mean? Um, but to your point, yeah, I think that's part of the subtext of this movie is like infatuation. You don't you just because you're infatuated with someone doesn't mean you're owed anything back from them.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

You know, even if they're being nice to you or whatever, they're your friends with you, like there's no magic word, there's no magic sentence, there's no magic act that's going to like make them change their mind magically. Like people are either into you or they're not.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Just do what I did and wait 15 years.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

But anyway, uh yeah, I think that's what it's doing. Like, I think that you're not supposed to. Like, even the idea of doing a love spell on someone is like a consentless action. Do you know what I mean? Like, you're I don't want to get too like heavy and dark with this episode, but like that is not as this movie shows you, get you're not getting consent from that person. Yeah. Right? Like it is out of their control. And uh that's a violation. Um, which is what also what that buffy episode does.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Well, well, to make it more lighthearted, because we're getting in deep. Um one thing that made me laugh when we were in the theater, and he goes in to uh buy her a new crystal necklace, and he's talking to the woman at the counter, and she's got candles on the counter, and I was like, Chloe, look at the dick candle. And she was like, What? Oh my god, I thought I was like, look at the dick candle, and she's like, What? I was like, it's a dick candle, like really loud.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

That's hilarious. That was a dick candle, and then it disappeared. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Disappearing dicks.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Um anyway, I also love like there's like little things about this movie that I really like too. I liked how they referenced the Mandela effect as this like really cool way to like make this mystical thing feel more tangible in this world, right? Where it's like, some people remember this thing existing, and some people are like, that doesn't exist. And like, so it's like, does it? It's now it's like this supernatural, but also still grounded in a way.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

The whole scene with him talking to her about it and like the block, the packaging and everything. Like, I literally was like, I want to buy one. They should release these as a marketing item. Yeah. And I will buy two and I will break one and keep the other in my little horror collection forever.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

That'd be cool. I liked it a lot. I also thought it was hilarious when he was like, You make the wish, and he was like, I wish for a billion dollars, and it just immediately started raining down.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Yes, that was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

I was like, This is awesome. Um what about okay, so what about like the creepy moments? What did you think about the actual scares in this movie? Because you apparently weren't as disturbed as I was, though.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

I mean, she was very like once she was clearly possessed by this wish, this wish demon, she was giving like Tony Collette in hereditary. She creeped me the fuck out. Like Indy, I can't remember her last name, but mad props to that actress. I was fucking blown away pri by her performance and her doing hysteria believably.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Well, obviously under the influence of magics.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Magics.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

What'd you think about like the weird like backwards movement shit that was happening?

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Oh, I loved it. It was so fucking creepy.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

That really What do you think that was though? Her like fighting it? Like, what was that?

SPEAKER_02 27:48

I think it was to make a point that like this is like a demon. This isn't like this is a possession, this isn't yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Like to me, it was like she it's trying to point out the fact that she's not in control of her her herself. Like, I don't think she's like I I say possession, I don't think like there's someone else in her. I think it's like she just can't help but say and do these things, right? Even though she doesn't want to.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Yeah, like she's you can tell she's fighting the natural cadence of her body.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Exactly. Like she doesn't want to be doing this, but she has no choice. And um yeah. I did know really creepy when she's standing in the corner. To me, that was the biggest score of the whole thing. When he wakes up and she's standing in the corner, he's like, What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Yeah, that was Oh my god, and then she just like goes back into the corner after like their whole crazy fucking interaction.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

I'm like, I could not sleep. Are you kidding? I'd be all the lights would be on immediately. I'd be like, What the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Do you know what's so funny? I think for so long I've been so susceptible to when I see a horror movie in the theater, I can't fucking sleep afterwards. Like it doesn't matter if it's good, bad, like I can't sleep. Now that I've just been watching horror movies nonsense, I totally am. Like, I have not we watch horror constantly now, and I have no problem sleeping.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Which is funny. I think go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Are you happy about that or are you upset about that?

SPEAKER_02 29:16

I think it's a good thing for the podcast because like I think for a minute there I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna get sick of watching a horror movie every week, and now I'm like, oh, it just feels like any other movie to me. Like I'm not like yeah, I mean, I don't know, Chloe might argue that I have some disturbing dreams, but I always do.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah. Well, who doesn't every once in a while?

SPEAKER_02 29:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

But I I think like with this movie for me, like I could watch Hokum and go to sleep, no problem.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

Like Which is so if a movie makes me like yeah, I got in a massive debate at work today, and everybody was like, I loved it. I couldn't sleep.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

And I was like Are they movie fans? Like, it's okay. Like, I I think again, like we think about it, we're really breaking it down. I just don't think that appreciation of film exists anymore amongst like normal audiences. Like, I could see, yeah. I mean, it's a creepy movie, there's twists in it. Like, I get why people like that movie, but if you break it out on put it on paper, you're like, Oh yeah, this sucks.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

Yeah, here's the plot lines. Like, they don't intersect. There are three lines.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

People don't care. People don't care. That gone are the days where the general audience could be like, you know what? There's like this is full of plot holes, yeah, and that makes it bad. Like now it's just like whatever, I was entertained for two hours, so who cares? That's crazy though. Like, I listen to our pod. Tell them to listen to our pod and be like, nah, it's so funny. Well, I thought about it.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

I was I was I don't know. I don't want to like drop our pod at work because I'm like I swear a lot and I act like myself, and I'm not a professional person.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Yeah, that's fair. But whatever, I mean I that's the thing. Like, I don't even try to argue anymore when people are like, this movie's great. I'm like, eh, whatever. Or this movie sucks, but it's really an actually great movie or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

This one though, I think what's cool about me is like this liter this movie really didn't literally made me not want to date ever again.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

Oh, that's sad.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

This is a movie that no, but I my point is like this is a movie that makes you it really plays on that fear of like you're never really sure what people are capable of, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Like, do you know what's so funny? Your reaction to this movie reminds me of D did you ever see Revolutionary Road?

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Caitlin's like I've never actually seen it, no, but I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

It's horrendously depressing. Um, it's essentially about like marriage ruining your life. And so it's hilarious. Someone saw it years ago when I came out in the theaters with my friend Sarah. And when we came out of it, we were like dying laughing, watching all the couples who are clearly on a first date coming out of the theater being like, I'm good. I'm gonna go home by like not interested in like pursuing dating at all after that.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Well, I mean, because you know, I've seen you know, heard stories and I've seen friends go through stuff, not obviously not like this, but like stuff where it's like people showing up when they shouldn't be showing up and like texting, like you know what I mean? And I'm just like this obviously this is playing off of that sort of obsession, like but it but like she's like cutting his hair and stuff, and oh my god, that was so funny when he's like, Hey, so did you cut my hair in my sleep? Don't dude, and then like she comes to that party and she's being all weird. What was that poem?

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Oh my god, that party was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Well, what it was she reading? And we don't I don't know what was on that Jenga piece.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Um what she oh god, what was the reference? Let me see if I have it in my notes.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Was that something she wrote? Oh my god, dude, it was so disturbing. Even when it was here's the thing about the movie, too, while you're looking that up. Like, even because I don't say I don't want to say it was like not predictable. There were plenty of predictable moments. Like you said, you predictable predicted that they were hooking up, like the Sarah girl getting killed. Like, I totally saw that coming. Um even the ending I kind of saw coming. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Like the way that it was the girl getting killed, I didn't see it coming. I should have.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Uh, I definitely saw I mean the way they framed that shot, I was like, at any moment she's going to be running.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

I knew she was gonna pop out for sure when she did. Uh Chloe fucking freaked out in the case. I have not seen Chloe like jump scream like that in so fucking scary.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

It was a good scare.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Smashing her face into that brick over and over.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

I was just like, Jesus Christ, stop. I can't watch this anymore. It was horrible.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

I know exactly that's what I'm saying. Like, I think this movie does like again, simultaneously disturbed and and on edge, because like I think usually those things are separate for me. Like, you can watch Rec Room for a Dream, and that's a disturbing movie, but I'm not scared.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Yeah, Joker's a disturbing movie, but I'm not scared, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

But then there's scary movies where I'm not disturbed too. Like, I'm just like in suspense. And then this was like both at the same time. It was like a really well-made movie, I must say.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

One thing that I noted was like how weird the sound design was. Like in moments, it almost like sounded like uh like a band warming up, leading to like a crescendo. Yeah, did I describe that accurately? I don't know. I mean, that's just what I wrote down, but I'm not a music person like you, but it was just like such weird sound design at points.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Like I do think that there was some poorly placed music. And like I remember thinking it like this is weird that the theme is doing this, it doesn't match what's happening on screen and it doesn't add to it. Like it's not purposefully do you know what I mean? Like it just seems wrong here. Like there were some amateurish things about the movie. I overall, I will say, if I have to be super critical, like that was one of them. Even having like the actual pop songs pop up randomly, I'm like, this doesn't really work the way that you think it works. Some of the framing too and the pacing, I think, was a little too slow, especially towards the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

But I think that has to do with what he was saying in his interview about like I did all those long shots and I only yelled cut if I absolutely had to, and that really limited his options of what he had to work with while editing.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

Yeah. If I'm judging this movie, like I think overall, even with through that crit critical lens, like he succeeded in making something that will stick with you, I think. Even if you know what's gonna happen in the end, like even if you see it coming, the way that it happens is just like god, like what was her plan with the body at the end? Yeah, like what was happening there? Like, was she going to frame somebody? Like, I I don't understand what was what I think she just was going on.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Well, I don't think she was like, obviously, I don't think she had a plan or was thinking about it. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

But she said, I'll take care of the body, don't worry about it. Like you you go to work or whatever, and then he comes home and and she's naked on the chair in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Like, what is she was like, Oh, you want her, so I'm gonna present her to you so you can have her.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

You think that's what it was?

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Okay, I didn't even go that far. That's fucked.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Because she was like naked and leg spread.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

I know.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Yeah, she was trying to give him what she felt he wanted because she was so like, Why don't you love me? If I let you have this, maybe like you'll be like happy at me for letting you have what you want.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

Dude. And then what was with the table full of shit? I it was like weird. The table full of also there were some things that I if I'm talking about, stop me, but there were some things that I felt like I don't think an obsessed person would do that. Like, I feed feed you your cat, your dead cat, like that doesn't make any sense and disgusting. I mean, it's gross, but it's just like why would you it was a good fucked up scene though?

SPEAKER_02 36:32

We were like, oh god, no.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah. Well, I was wondering because when the fro you know, the opening scene is kind of like he finds his cat dead, and I was like, oh. But I remember thinking, like, why does it have to do with anything?

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Because they made it seem like what a great bookend.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

But they made it seem like someone murdered his cat because like how would the cat get to the pills that's that were in his medicine cabinet and also too much cat food? It looked like someone fed him those pills.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

I assumed that so we see the dead cat, we see the pills, and they say Barbara Baxter or whatever the name was. So I thought that he was like living with his grandma or somebody taking care of a family member who was sick. Um, so now you you do make a good point. He inherited what you learn is he inherited that house. Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

So those weren't even his meds. I didn't even see those.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Those were like the grandmas or whatever. But that's like how did how did that cat get the child's safety lock off? He doesn't even have imposable thumbs. Is that what it is?

SPEAKER_00 37:29

Yeah, it didn't make any sense. Unless he didn't realize there was a uh a semi-opened bottle of pills, like not in the medicine cabinet.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

But I do love a good bookend, and I appreciated that it started with an OD on pills and it ended with an OD on pills.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Yeah. I also did love, like when he's in the bathroom and he's like playing on killing himself with the gun, he's like, I can't do that. And then he like goes for the pills. Like the whole time, I'm just like you know that the fucking wish stick is on the floor out there. Do you know what I mean? And then you're just like waiting, and then it does like the like the dolly zoom thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:05

Wouldn't it? And you're just like, Did you hear the snap? God, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

Chloe didn't hear the snap, and she looked at me, she was like, What is happening?

SPEAKER_01 38:13

And I was like, It was very faint.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

I was like, She just wished that he loved her equally, and she was like, What do you mean? I was like, Didn't you hear the snap?

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Yeah, I mean it was very subtle. I think it was cool in that way, like where you you do you don't really realize that's what happened until like it's happening, you know what I mean? And then you're like, Oh shit, he's in love with her now.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

Oh yeah, this I heard the snap. If you didn't hear the snap, you're not gonna get it. You have to hear the snap. No, I don't think you do because I the second he's like, I was like, Yes, oh fuck, she wished that he loves her too.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Which is a solution to their problem, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Oh, that's what she was quoting. Her little weird speech was from Romeo and Juliet, and that's why this ending is such a fucking Romeo that's from Romeo and Juliet? I'm pretty positive. No way, she was like all about there is so much Shakespeare referencing in this.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that they ended up because I read they actually shot a uh take at the end where she does shoot herself just like Romeo and Juliet, and I felt that as it was happening, like I was gonna be like Romeo and Juliet. But the fact that they keep her alive, which is like more disturbing in a lot of ways. Um, where she lets you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

I know what do you do when you come to and your whole entire thing.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

You frame the dude. I mean, you frame the also, did she have tattoos all over her?

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Yeah, because she thought that he liked the other girl, and so she was trying to make herself like that girl, which is why she was presenting that girl.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

Dude, I'm so creeped out. I'm so creeped out by this all so creepy.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

I love well, did you catch when like they did the very quick montage of them like happy for like a second? Yeah, and she's showing him the like AI photo she made, and it said, I want to wear you as a skin sweater.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

I didn't see that, I couldn't read it.

SPEAKER_02 39:54

Did you forget your glasses again? No, I had my glasses on.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

I was just like so distracted by the use of AI in this goddamn movie.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Also, yeah, great line when they're kind of like I think this was in the beginning of that like montage or something, sometime around then. I think it was when they were together. But she said, A good thing about a closed book, you get to read it from the start. Like when he's like, when she's like, You're a closed book. So, like something about like I get to read you from the start or whatever, like we were like, Oh, that's a good line.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

Yeah, it was a good line. Yeah, I mean, I think the movie does such a good job of just playing with like real life. Like, have you ever been someone who someone's had a crush on you that you didn't reciprocate necessarily? Like the way she's behaving, like early, early on, not like obviously when she's like, I mean, if I'm complete honest, I've tended to be the one who had quite feelings and definitely acted like a crazy person. But that but I'm saying it's like to see that where she's like coming back to his car after he drops her off, and she's like, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm being weird. What's wrong with me? And like it's just like it's so cringy and like real in a way, and like you it's just played and and written so well, I think. 100 and that it makes you uncomfortable, but you also feel sorry for them to be in this sort of awkward situation, you know what I mean? What a fucking trip of a movie.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

I vaguely remember, I remember at one point it sounded like um I don't think the line was actually what mattered. I think when I was hearing it, it sounded like it didn't have proper sound editing and like a boom was too close and it didn't get edited correctly.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

I think it was because there were moments in my theater where it was like blowing out the speakers because it was so loud.

SPEAKER_02 41:46

That's what it was, it was like uh mic blowout.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

I mean when she would scream out of nowhere, I was like, There's that scene too where she he calls the hotline or whatever and he's like, Do you want to talk to her? And it's just her screaming. Do you want to talk to Nikki? And it's I was like, This is so good.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

So, okay, then you have to wonder. So if do you want to talk to her? And it's obviously like trapped in the city. It's the trapped her, yes. So is she like trapped in like hell?

SPEAKER_00 42:13

No, she's trapped. I mean, it's metaphorical hell. She she, I think she's aware of everything that is.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

Yeah, totally, but that's but that's what I'm saying. Because you call the voice guy Satan. So is it like Nikki's in hell with Satan and a demon has her body?

SPEAKER_00 42:25

No, no, no, no. No, I think he's saying you want to talk to like the real Nikki who's trapped behind this sort of wish that you made. Yeah. And like and how does she screaming to get out and not have to do this stuff and not have to live there? I got that.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

I was just wondering if it meant that she was like, while she was hanging out in her little mental purgatory, if she was hanging out with Satan.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

No. Like, I don't think it's mental, like I don't think she's like in a little box like in get out, or he's like behind, like, wait, you know, he's like hypnotized and he like falls. Like she's that's her. Like, she's there.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

As present as you would be, just not able to control herself.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

That's so terrifying. Can you it's deeply disturbing? That's what I'm saying. When you really, really, truly think about it, and the whole concept that somebody can make a wish that completely takes away all of your autonomy.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

Yeah, and free will, yes.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

It's so scary.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

You gotta watch this Buffy episode. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

I'll get there. I've been watching them.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

It's season two, so oh well, I'm not far away. It's very humorous for like the good like 30 minutes, and then it's like a nightmare. Um obviously it's not nearly as dark as this, but it's the same sort of themes, right? And I and I think they did it right. Again, we I talked about this earlier, but with like not with it being such a casual wish, like a throwaway thing that he's not like lighting candles and like has a book of dark magic where he's like, I'm gonna do this love spell on you, right? Like it's just like the stupid thing he bought that he's just like, whatever, fuck it. Like that sells the whole movie for me. Cause then you can be on this sort of like terror ride and And sort of hope that he like f saves the the situation, which he clearly doesn't at all.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

Also, I assume when she shoots Ian, one note, um randomly, I don't remember how it came up, but Ian was like, Oh, so-and-so was just telling us like her dad has a gun in the safe. Yeah. And we were like, oh, that's coming back.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

Yeah, totally. That's what it was. That's what I thought. I mean, I th maybe they cut a scene out where like it was uh really apparent that that's where she got it. Maybe like Andy Richter came out and was like, Where's my gun?

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Chloe afterwards was like Andy Richter was in the movie. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

I thought he was dude, I thought he was gonna be the voice on the phone, which I thought would have been dope, but it that was the director, actually. Oh, it was? Yeah, the director was the guy he calls. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

I think he has a huge career ahead of him. I think that everybody seeing this movie is realizing that. I mean, obviously, they're like, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, here you go.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

I mean, like I was saying, like, and I it's been a long time since I felt truly like in a movie being like, I want this to be over so I don't have to feel this way anymore. Like, it's I can't even remember a movie that made me feel this way. Like, I and not that I don't want to hype this up too much, but like I truly was like, this is disturbing on another level. This is like horror. And then you ask yourself, like, am I even enjoying watching this? Do you know what I mean? Like, I remember after watching Recording for a Dream being like, I don't even I feel like shit I don't know. I hated watching the movie.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

That movie makes you feel worse than anyone.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

Like, I think the movie is brilliant and whatever, but like I don't want to watch it again because I'll feel like shit. Like, this to me is a similar vibe where I'm like, I feel so disturbed and sad and dark. I don't want to see this. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 45:52

Now I'm wondering if I should see it without alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Maybe. I don't maybe you had the right audience, but dude, I was just like because I like I I get the like this is like it's looked up and it's so layered.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Yeah. Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

Um I mean, she's trapped in there. Having like that that scene where he's like fucking her, so disturbed, and she's just like lifeless, like staring off into space.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

Like, yeah, that's awful.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

That's like exactly.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

I mean I mean it's it's literally like I mean, we'll we'll just throw a hard R in there. It's like very rape. That's what's happening. No, it is.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

That's what it is. It is rape. Like if you put a spell on someone to be in love with you, and then you have sex with that. There's also a buffy episode about this, too. That's way later. Um, it is rape. I mean, he yeah, that's what's happening. Yeah, like she has no control over she's you're not getting her consent. You're just you've put a spell on her to do your will. Like it's fucked.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

It makes me really um it gives me a kind of a different level of respect for Curry Barker as a filmmaker because uh I think it's so easy. Like, I mean, who knows if we'll ever release it, but like when we recorded Terrifier and I was like, the way he sexualizes women and all these things, like I'm like, what the fuck is like wrong with this guy? Like every murder is sexual to him. And then you go to this where it's like it it feels like I mean, advocacy is the wrong word, I guess, but it does like it feels like he has a level of awareness around women's free will being taken from them.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

100%. Like, I think he's he's and again, I think he's seen this Buffy episode. I'm not gonna lie to you.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

I mean, he clearly is inspired by a lot of things in this movie, so I wouldn't be. No, I know.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

There's a he's also said he's inspired by that Simpsons episode with the monkey paw, like, which is basically your be careful what you wish for. You know, it's a it's a trope that's been around forever, right? Like, be careful what you wish for because it's gonna be fucked up, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

But I think that they should make a monkey paw movie. They have the monkey paw? No, there's just Jordan Pill has monkey paw production, but I have not seen a monkey paw movie.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Isn't that movie The Monkey came out like like two years ago?

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Is that the monkey paw though? I want like the never seen it. You know what drives me nuts now is people will take like classic literature and Poe and try to like modernize it. And I'm like, don't do like the old school as it was written.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

That'd be cool, like a period piece. Yeah, I'm I want you kind of want to watch you or kind of want to watch you. I kind of want to watch you just like she watched him. I kind of want you to watch the movie again.

SPEAKER_02 48:35

You better leave that in because that was fun.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

I will totally. Um, because uh dude. It's one of those movies where you just feel bad for everyone, like it's a hell for every person in that movie. I love how she becomes aware of the witch, the wish, sort of because I think after she kills Sarah.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

Or does she become aware or is she always aware?

SPEAKER_00 48:57

She was like, You wished for this. Like, this is I don't know. I they don't make that clear. Maybe there's a deleted scene somewhere where he says, I I wished for this. And maybe that's why. Because I also thought it was confusing that she she knew to make a wish and break that stick at the end of the movie. That's it. She must have read the box.

SPEAKER_03 49:14

Yeah, fair.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

I like that. I loved when he came into the store and he's like looking for it. He's like, Where's the thing? And he's like, What are you talking about? Oh, and then he's like, nah, they're they're right here. Yeah. Just Josh.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Um, yeah, I think that I, you know, there were some things that towards the beginning where I was just like, Am I gonna like this movie? But yeah, I think this movie succeeds on it. It's objective, which is to creep you out and to make you think about infatuation. It's disturbing. Your own infatuation, the people that are infatuated with you, like be careful.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

You know, I I have a question for you. I think it's important in this episode to ask this question. Yeah, I guess it's kind of a two-part question. What would your wish be? Well, first of all, would you actually take a one wish willow and and yeah. I mean, that dude nailed it. His fate was unfortunate, but it had nothing to do with his wish.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

Well, I if he was really doing it right, you'd be like, I want a million dollars that's already in the bank. Don't just dump it. How am I gonna explain this? I want it to be explained. How am I gonna taxed already? Exactly. Now I gotta launder this shit. Um, what was your second point? What was your second question? Well, it was gonna be. Actually, you know what I think I would wish for is like I would wish for to never ever get any disease or get sick. To have to basically have Wolverine's power of self-healing. What else do we want to talk about before we sign off? Like, what it what so what do you think of the movie? Or well, you liked it, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

I really liked it. I um I want to watch it again now to see like if I like haven't been drinking prior to going to a movie, if I would be more like fucked up and creeped out by it. Um I am just so blown away by his accomplishment as like a beginning filmmaker. Like I feel like he hit a home run for launching his career.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Yeah, I agree. I think I think the movie is there if you want to just go to watch a horror movie, but I think that if you it gives you enough that there's so much to to digest and to to dive deep on philosophically with this movie too. Like if you can really like read into the subtext of it, like what it's saying about infatuation and motivations and you know people's feelings. Because like the other thing that we didn't really talk about, but just real quickly, because I think we're gonna go long, if not, is like the minute it starts to get weird, the minute he gets his wish, sort of, he's kind of like I don't want this. This is nuts, this is crazy. Which to me says a lot about his own infatuation of like be careful what you wish for. Because there's been plenty, I think we've all like ended up going on a date with someone we wanted to go and then realizing like oh wait, I actually don't and now you like me, and now this sucks. You know what I mean? Like now I just feel like bad about it and everything. So like there's that aspect of it too. Who was yours?

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Let's drop names on the pod.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

I mean it, you know, it's it's not like a normal or it is a normal thing. I think most people would relate to that sort of thing. Um but yeah, I mean, genuinely I thought it was a good, solid. And honestly, it felt like it's the first movie, horror movie I've seen in a long time that really did feel like maybe since Hereditary, where it was like, this feels like it doesn't really exist in the genre. I don't know how to explain it. It's like this feels like a tentpult horror movie, in my opinion, where like it doesn't care if you're entertained or not. It doesn't care if you're laughing, it doesn't care if you if there is a joke in it. I mean, there is one or two, but like it it doesn't want to make you give you a break.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

It doesn't want to it's not there to entertain. There is like a definitely a certain um there's a certain type of film coming out more frequently now, thanks to like Hereditarian Midsummer. And I would say this is in that line where it's like the whole point is just to make you feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Yeah, and to make you feel like you're not gonna put this, yeah. You're not gonna put this on in Halloween when you're watching like Friday the 13th and shit. Like this is like a heavy fucking horror.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

Yeah, I left it being like, I'd watch that again, so maybe I didn't know, dude.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

Yeah, I don't maybe it was just hereditary. Let us know in the comments if I'm just being a bitch about it. I don't know. Maybe I am.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Just uh drop in the comments hashtag Ben's a bitch or hashtag BB. Just say that anyway. Bitch boy, bitch backstreet boy Ben.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

Well, don't insult the Backstreet Boys. That's just uncalled for. Alright, well, final thoughts? I feel like I've given mine already at this point.

SPEAKER_02 54:03

This felt like a film to me, despite like the low like I I just was so impressed with it. It was great. Yeah. Well done, Curry Barker. I cannot wait for your Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

And I will say, last thought, like, I remember during the first half of the movie thinking, like, oh man, if they gave this movie a budget and like cast like more well-known people in it, I think I'd be more into it right now.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

But after it was all said and done, I'm so glad that it was the cast that it was. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 54:33

Like, and they were great. What's funny? Ian looks so much like my friend's husband. So the whole time I was watching it, I just couldn't not see him as like I didn't see him as a character, I saw him as my friend's husband.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

That's funny. Was he a good friend or a bad friend? Wait, which one is Ian, even? I don't even know which guy that is.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

He's he's he's his Bear's only friend who's fucking Bear's girl. Okay, he's the friend, but acting like his boy. Yeah. But he is a friend. You don't hate Ian, despite it.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

I honestly think that truly Ian wanted him to date Nikki.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Then why was he fucking her?

SPEAKER_00 55:09

He said it was a casual thing. Remember, Sarah was like, it was a casual thing. They were just doing it. He just didn't want to tell you because it hurt your friend.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

Yeah, that's the worst. If you know your homie loves somebody, you don't catch it. Not if there's no fam.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

Not if there's no feelings involved. Okay, maybe I'm gonna cut this out. I'm gonna sound like an asshole.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

I'm just saying, I think truly he wanted Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 55:27

If there's no feelings involved and you know your friend has feelings, then stay the fuck away. But if you have feelings and your friend has feelings, all is fair in love and love. I think we if you have no feelings, don't ruin your buddy's shot.

SPEAKER_00 55:39

No, I think we I don't think that is ruining his shot. I think that if we're consenting adults, you can separate that.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

And like I think he won't we can all just fuck the same woman.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Well, no, I think they would have stopped having sex. Like, I think he wanted his friend to be with Nikki. I think that he wanted to be.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Do you think Bear would have wanted to get in that relationship if he had known? If that was the case, why did it have to be a secret?

SPEAKER_00 55:58

Because he would be upset about it, but like that doesn't change. Like, so what? Like, maybe he just knew that the maturity level of this guy, clearly, who's too scared to say anything and makes a wish that ruins her life. Um, you know, he couldn't handle that. That's why he didn't say.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

Well, okay, I th I brought this up to you on Saturday, but uh remember so I did not remember this how the ending of our old podcast based on that horrible Texas chainsaw massacre movie with uh Alexandra Di Dario.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

How it like she would toss him the chainsaw, she tossed him the chainsaw in the end and was like, go get him, cuz. And so that's how we ended all of our Tickled Pink episodes. And now we have a horror podcast and we don't know how to end it. And we love this movie, and Curry Barker's about to go make Texas Chainsaw Massacres.