The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Leather Face-Off: The Original VS 2003 Remake Showdown

This week on Slasher Bash the Podcast is another versus episode where Maddi and Ben pit the original The Texas Chainsaw Massacre against the 2003 remake.  Listen to find out which one wins out!

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Let's do this, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

You want to take this in?

SPEAKER_03 0:31

No, just take a big swig of creamy protein milk.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

I think she might taste it better.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Yeah. This is disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

What's up, everybody, and welcome to Slasher Bash, the podcast, the podcast with two horror movie fans discuss all things horror. I'm one of your hosts, Benjamin. Joined by my co-host, Madison.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

What's up?

SPEAKER_01 0:55

What's up, everybody? And today we are doing a review, a versus review, which this is our second one now, of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the original.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Which was what, 1974?

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Huh. Good question.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

Yeah, I have it written down. 1974.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

And the remake from 2003 was actually the the only one I'd seen prior to this pod. Oh, really? I was the opposite. Oh, you hadn't seen this one? I've seen the original one, but not the remake. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

Oh shit. Well, this will be fun then.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Yeah, that'll be cool. Alright. Um. Where do we want to start? How do we want to do these? I don't know how to we need a setup for these. You know what I mean? Like we just go into it or what we say.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Well.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

I I mean, I think we should start with the original. Well, I don't know. How do we do verses? I guess we just compare both of them as we go. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Yeah, I think we just kind of talked about the original and then we talked about when they rebooted it, like what was successful, what wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

That's the only way to do it, really.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

For sure. So let's let's get into the original, which so you'd seen I had never seen I yeah, I watched this a couple of times.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

I think I own it actually on DVD somewhere in my house. It's somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

I know at some point I'd seen clips of it because I knew Franklin in the wheelchair, like from the car, like sitting at the car at different points, not able to go anywhere. And I was like, that sucks. But definitely so I thought maybe I had seen it and just only remembered that. And then watching it, I was like, no, I for sure have never like seen all of this before.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

So you've never seen any of it.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

No, I'd seen like a clip of Franklin at the car before. I think I saw Franklin's uh spoilers, death scene. Um and that was it.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

So here's a spoilers, everyone does.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Here's a fun fact that I read about this because like when it first started, and they you know how like which is this the first movie to do the like true crime setup?

SPEAKER_01 2:56

You know, I don't actually know, but it feels I think a lot of people were fooled by it back in the day. So and it is based on like a a real person, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

But it definitely became a trend of let's like take a loose story that happened and pretend that this is a movie, this is a true story to pull in our audience and freak them out.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Yeah, it sort of invented a genre too, because while it is, I guess, a slasher movie in a way, it's sort of like the the sort of um the isolated family in the woods sort of fear genre. I don't know if that what the name of that genre would be. Isolated family in the woods we go on to spawn a bunch of movies like Hill The Hills Have Eyes and you know other Texas Chainsaw Massacres in that X-Files episode.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

Yep. Well, so okay, so so that intro, you know how like the sound effect they use it in the remake, also the like I don't even yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

I was like, I love that noise.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Yes, so I write down that I love that noise, and then I'm reading the little fun facts about it. Um, because I was like, oh yeah, this the sound effects, great, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I'm reading, and I don't know if you noticed this, but uh like basically with like the exception of like licensed music and like the credits, there's no music in the movie. It's all like uh sound effect based. So it's like I would rather that it was like slaughterhouse sounds that were used throughout the film. Um, so that like, you know, like it would be like cattle being led to the slaughter or whatever. So it'd be like machines running or like, and after a while it got really fucking annoying. At first I was like, this is really cool. And then I was like, oh my god, can we just get some some see?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

That's funny because like when I when I so I hadn't seen the remake, and when I I watched the original one first, and then I watched the remake, and I was annoyed by the soundtrack in the remake because I was like, this is like it's too much of a movie now. Like I felt like it was like the music, it was constant. I felt like it was constant, and maybe it wasn't, but I felt that way. But there was just constant music in that movie at every turn, and I was like, I get it, you want me to be scared. You're trying so hard to make me scared, and it bothered me, and I and I appreciate how quiet the original one is, you know.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

It's funny though, because in the original, like the very first reveal of Leatherface, yeah, you don't get the like jump scare sound effect, the like bang moment. And I and it wasn't as scary on that first reveal. I didn't know. Are you crazy? No, like I thought Franklin's when like the sound of the chainsaw revving up is like one of the scariest yeah, like you go in a haunted house and you hear that and you fucking run, right? So when Franklin gets it, like when he's pops out, that was scary. But the first one when it was like we see him and that was it, like I was like, Oh that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

That's like known as one of the best scares of all time. Really? Like that moment in yeah, because like I I think it's scary. It gets me it, I jump every time because it's so the camera's so far away, and the way that he runs in there is also off. Like the way that the care I forget his name now, but the character runs down the hallway for whatever reason to that room, and then he kind of like trips and gets hit. Like, it's just like it's so startling. I actually think there's a cut there.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

So I read this that the the director also edited, and his move was he would um he'd cut some frames out leading up to a kill, so like the pacing would be off so that it would feel very abrupt and out of nowhere. And then his other trick would be to cut to something on the left and then immediately cut right to leatherface.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Mm-hmm. That's I mean, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Yeah, fun little.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

But no, I think this scare is one of the greatest scares of all time. Like, I I I and it's funny when we watched the the remake one, I hate it.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Really? Because I love the remake one.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

No, it's so bad.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Maybe it was because it was the first one I'd seen. Like I saw this movie in theaters. I got I was working at a bowling alley, Fat City no longer exists, but working at bowling alley, and there was these people who'd come in uh from like the radio station once a week and do like live things there, and so I'd get free passes to like sneak previews. So I got to see this at a sneak preview, and it scared the shit out of me. I remember like I was staying the night at my friend's house and her parents were out of town, and we like slept in her parents' bed, like just like all night, like not sleeping, like freaked the F out. And that scare was like the holy shit scare for me. And I think it just depends on which one you see first.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Like, I I think maybe, but uh, the thing I don't like, and I I think you're right. I think especially when you're younger, and maybe you haven't seen the original and you haven't seen a lot of horror movies, like that would freak you out, right? Like, because it it also this the sequel sort of for a while, it it very it follows the the original one kind of closely in a way.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

Yeah, pretty closely for sure.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Um but I just watching it this time, and I had never seen it, and I and I've seen the other one like a million times in clips and like clip shows where they're like talking about the scare or whatever. The way that he gets them and then he drags him, and then it's cutting and cutting, and then like then he slams it. I just I just it it's trying so hard to be. It feels more like a movie, and I think that's different. You're watching the first one and you feel like a voyeur, sort of, or you're watching this from afar and like it could be real. Like there's nothing over at the top, there's no music, yeah, there's no stylized cutting really, except for what you were just talking about, um, with like the missing frames and stuff. Then you watch this one, and the whole time I feel like, oh, I'm watching like a Michael Bay movie, even though it's not Michael Bay, but I guess he produced it or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

But it's like Michael Bay produced the remake.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Oh, yeah. Michael Bay. I think Michael Bay did like a lot of these like horror remake movies.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Oh, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

But uh the something about it, it just feels like such a movie, and they're trying so hard. Even the can we talk about like Leatherface's mask too? Like the skin mask? Like the skin mask in the sequel and the remake, it feels like Halloween days of horror, like nights of horror or whatever. Whereas the first one, it looks like real skin on his face, and the way that you can see his like dead eyes and his like crooked teeth, like in it, it that's what's creepy to me. The skin itself, I'm like, what I mean, obviously that's creepy, but it's like whatever. But in this new one, he just kind of looks like Frankenstein, sort of.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Yeah, until he puts her on her boyfriend's face, which I remember chilled me to the bone um seeing it as a teen. But then watching it. I do like that. I was like, there's no way his face would come off that cleanly. I mean, how do we know? I've never done it. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

But then he doesn't even keep that face on. He like goes back to the old one. And it's just like, why did you do that just to scare her? He seems like too much of like a mastermind, like too much of a like uh, you know, Jason or something in the in the remake. Whereas the first one, he just feels like this sort of like dumb person who's just warped. Yeah, you know, and like that to me is also more creepy because that that it's like he that's a real person, but you just you would never be able to like exp like get him to stop because he has no education and he has no like morality or anything like that. And that's why it's so funny at the end of the movie where like when he drops the chains on his leg and he gets I love I love this trope in movies when like the villain gets a taste of their own medicine for the first time, and they're like, Oh my god, that hurts! And then they you know what I mean? They do it in the second one too. Um, I think he does he does he lose his whole leg in the second one.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

No, he's he doesn't lose it, he he just gets a chainsaw. Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Um so I don't know. I I like the scare in the first one, but maybe I'm just I'm nostalgic for it too. And I and I honestly I don't think modern I don't think modern audiences could watch that movie and be scared by that unless maybe they were it was like really loud and they were in a theater. Um true. But I I think there's a an element of like because even the scene where the girl goes in after him in the in the OG one, and she like the the house seems creepier. The house seems grosser.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

It seems like way the first one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

And like when she falls in that room where there's like feathers everywhere and stuff, I'm just like, oh, that is disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Well, it seems, I don't know, like I I noted like I hated all the shots they used in the remake of the new house because it was like it looked like it was the cinder block house, and it just was like almost like looked like like the brutalist style of architecture. And I was just like, no, like you look at that and you're it's like it's supposed to scare you, and it's too much. Where in the original it could be anybody's house, and you go in and you're like, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

SPEAKER_01 11:32

And it feels more claustrophobic in the first one. Like, I feel like all the hallways in the sequel are huge, like the space between the stairs and the wall was like huge, and yeah. In the original one, it's like very like it feels like you're you you just turn around, you're gonna touch something gross, or like the guy's gonna be or leatherface will be right there, or something like that. Yeah, and I love how in the original one, the grandpa character, you're like, is that person alive?

SPEAKER_03 11:57

The grandpa character grossed me the fuck out when he saw it. I know, it's so disturbing. Oh yeah. I also read um the actor who played it after the first time sitting in the makeup chair to age him up. Uh the process was so intense, he was like, I'm not doing that again. So we have to shoot all my scenes uh before this makeup comes off. So it was like a 36 hour shoot to get all his scenes because he refused to sit for makeup again.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

You think it'd be better to like have to wear that for 36 hours straight, or to like just do it in three days instead?

SPEAKER_03 12:32

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Do you think he regretted that? Obviously, like we're still doing this, like I haven't even slowed.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

Well, that whole um dinner scene, um there was like it was like 110 degrees, all the food was like spoiling really fast, and so it like reeked and like it was hot as shit, and then he's sitting there at that caked-on makeup. It's like it just like if I was somebody who now didn't get a break from that because he wouldn't do makeup again, I would have been fucking pissed. Like I realized the actors were like, because of the smell, we're having to get up and go outside to vomit and then come back in and take the scene again.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

Yeah, it sounds filming this movie sounded awful.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Yeah. Well, they did it for so cheap on a budget and stuff, and they use like locals and whatnot. Um, but that but back to my point, like the the grandfather in this movie, he just seemed too mobile and like they made him pervy.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Yeah. And I'm just like, when that's such a 2000.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

She's like trying to pick him up, and he's like groping her hands.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Yeah, grabbing her ass and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

It was like it went on for way too long. Like, it's like get him under the arms, and you either realize immediately you can hoist him or you cannot. Like this like fumbling they were doing back and forth for like 20 seconds. It was like, really? Like, you can't just be like, Yes, I can lift you or no, I can't. Instead, you're just gonna squat and like fumble with him and let him grope your ass for that long. Would have slapped the shit out of him.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

It it was it would it's like a 2000s sort of idea of like what would gross people out and scare people is like let's say like let's like harassy this woman. But it's like in the original one, I mean I think as a viewer, maybe you could like make some you could like write an essay about how like this is like sexualizing women or whatnot, but like it wasn't so obvious. It wasn't like to me, it was like Lillard Face is just chilling these people. Like that's it. That's all they're like I didn't even feel like at the end when they're like because they're supposed to be cannibals, right? Like, I I'm not feeling that they're gonna like rape her or anything. Like, I just I feel like they're just gonna like torture her, suck her blood, they're gonna kill her, and then they're gonna eat her or whatever. Yeah, like there's no but in this one, I don't know. Like the grandpa's like all fucking pervy and shit. I'm like, Yeah, the uh and then the cop is all like the dad, I guess, is all like you know, sweet cheeks, come over here, sweet chair, whatever he's saying to her. And it's just like, why are we doing this? And he's like looks at the corpse and he's like, Oh, pretty girl. What a pretty girl. I'm like, this is such a 2000s era movie in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Um, let's talk about the hitchhiker.

SPEAKER_03 14:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Cause when they when this movie started, again, the remake, I hadn't seen it, I just know Jessica Bill's in it and whatever. I've seen the trailer, so I knew what Love of the Face looked like. I didn't realize that they weren't really gonna do a hitchhiker scene, really. I mean, they have the I they have the five people in the car minus a wheelchair, and I'm like, okay, this is very similar to what happened in the original. That's cool. We're just like remaking this, right? And then they they go across this this woman and she's like all bloody and freaked out, and they bring her in the car. And I feel like the creepiness and the in the in the of the original hitchhiker, the dude with the long hair, where you're just like, what is this guy about to like this guy because it's gonna launch you and try to stab you?

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Something, the female in the remake, something's obviously very fucking wrong. We know what to expect immediately. Where with the other guy, he gets on and it seems like he could be a normal guy, and then the scene progresses into madness, and you get to be in the uh in their seats spiraling with him, being like having that moment of awareness of we made a mistake. Yeah, and you don't get that in the remake because you know right away something's fucking wrong with that girl.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Yeah, and it and it sort of bothers me that like she gets in the car and then she just kills her, like, kills herself. It's like, what was the problem?

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Also, how is she walking down the street hiding that gun in her vagina?

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Yeah, I don't know. I don't have one. Is that possible? I need a girl to let me know if that's possible to do that.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Oh boy. You're the expert on that. I don't know. I can't wait for the comments on this one.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

I mean, why would I know? You tell me if that's believable.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

It's not.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Um, well, okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

I mean, I don't know. People like can steal things from the grocery store hiding them between their thighs, but uh, you know, she wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Never mind. I don't want to sit here and discuss the logistics of that.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

Also, in this scene with Franklin, like one like the first scene, they stop so that he can get out to go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Which one's Franklin?

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Wheelchair.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Oh, the wheelchair got, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

I have a massive issue with this scene. So they pull over on the side of the road, get him out of the car, and then he pees in a can.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Well, immediately right.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

But if he's peeing in a can, you can just do it in the car and toss it out.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

Well, he wants privacy. What if he spills?

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Whatever. And also, did they not have locks on wheelchairs in the 70s? Was that not a thing?

SPEAKER_01 17:27

I don't maybe he wasn't worried about it.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

I guess not. Poor Franklin just getting sent down the hill covered in his piss.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

My question about the Franklin character. I think you know what else is interesting about this original movie that is important to bring up is like the zeitgeist of the era, right? Like Vietnam was happening, the summer of love is over, the Manson murders have happened now. Like the pe the hippie, the hippie movement is like over, and you have these like five characters that are sort of hippie-ish, I would say.

SPEAKER_04 17:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Driving through a a place that does not share that sort of uh vibe um vibe. Yeah. And I think that's part of it. I think a lot of people going to see this movie are freshly out of that era and still sort of like idolizing that era, maybe still in it, and and it's like a hard, like hitting a brick wall of like that era is over, right? That's part of the the creepiness of the movie for them. Where it's like, oh, there's there's crazy gross shit out there. And also, and it's but reminding me of this is like the the wheelchair character, I don't know if they ever say it. Did he was he in a wheelchair because of Vietnam? Was he in a wheelchair because he was born that way?

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Like what was born that way. The there's one scene when they're in the the house that they are going out to their grandpa's house or whatever, um, where the his sister and her boyfriend I can't remember the exact line of dialogue, but basically he says something about Franklin and she's like, he's always been like it. She alludes to the fact that he was always in a wheelchair.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Oh, right, you're right. Because he would they would carry him to the to that like. Yes, like to the watering home and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Um, but one last note on that too is I guess during this era too, like gas prices were like out of control. And so, like, when they pull up to the gas station to get gas, and he's like, We're out of gas. Like, that actually is something that was common at the time.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 19:15

So it does, yeah. So it's not super weird that they would be out of gas necessarily. That's why they don't really freak out. They're like, Oh, you don't have any gas. Like, when are you gonna get it? Um because at the time, and so I think there's a lot of like cultural things that were happening at the time that maybe doesn't resonate as strongly with like modern audiences do. And in the remake, it feels like they didn't think about any of that. And I wonder if that's why the movie isn't as effective in a lot of ways, because like it's it now it's just about creepy people on the wall, like isolated people that are attacking you for no reason. Less of this like cultural shift that that is like sort of driving the the the way that this film is memorialized, basically, or whatever worshipped at the time. But I just think that's interesting because the first thing I felt when I was watching the remake was like this is a movie. Like this is like every 2000s movie where like the music is a certain way, like the the the grittiness of all the shots, the way that there was a high contrast, like really dark, darks and really bright, brights highlighting everything. And I just not that I cared about the characters in the original one, but these characters are also super hollow.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

I would agree with that. And the one thing I mean, I I loved this one when I was younger, like this was one of those ones that I would like watch somewhat regularly is like a comfort movie.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

So comforting. Leatherface.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

I mean Jessica Beale is always comforting, get real. Um I forgot. But I she is a good actress, and when you see one really good actor in a horror film playing against some sealess actors and then some like not good actors, it is so obvious that like she's the only one who can like really truly act in that whole cast. I mean, what's his name with the glasses played by Jonathan? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Who is that? I should look at the cast. I have the Wikipedia right here. Jonathan Tucker?

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Yeah, he was in a lot of stuff during that time. Never he was always like a B list guy.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Oh my god, he looks so different in this movie. I didn't even recognize him. And then they have the kid from the from the ring for some reason. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Oh yeah, I was wondering why that kid looked familiar. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Yeah. Um, and then you have Eric Balthor.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Good looking dude, didn't do a whole lot.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Wasn't he on Buffy?

SPEAKER_03 21:38

Oh yeah, he was. He was in season one.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Right? Yeah, he was in the first episode. Yeah. First two episodes.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah, he is Jesse. Rest in peace, Jesse. He's in a lot of stuff. He was in the O C.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

But like there's even like one scene where Jessica Bill like w or the car scene when he comes to the car when it's just the chicks left and uh Pepper's hysterical. And her, maybe I mean, I guess it's multiple times. Whenever there's hysterical scenes, like even when the girl, the hitcher, shoots herself and stuff, seeing Pepper's hysteria and compared to Jessica Beale's acting is just makes me like look at that actress and be like, it's too much. Tone it down.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Yeah. I kind of gave her a pass just because like I felt like she had just met them the day before and she was a hitchhiker or whatever. Or maybe not a hitchhiker, but they picked her up as much.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Oh yeah, no, they had just met like in Mexico or whatever, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:30

So wouldn't they be like, wouldn't you be like, if you were who be like, I what the fuck did I just get? Like, I think there'd be an extra layer of discomfort because you also don't really know the people you're with that well. That's true. And you're stuck with them, and those murders are happening or whatnot. Dude, I am sweating. It's hot as fucking hell.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Is that why you're rocking back and forth?

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Am I? Yeah. Keep doing this. I was really focused on my thoughts. Um, but yeah, I thought to get back, we we went on a huge tangent, but like the the hitchhiker in the in the original one, I feel like that scene plays way better than this hit this wannabe hitchhiker in the new one.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

And I don't really like, and it and you know what? They do this a lot in like 2000 films. I don't like when they try to like hint at horror by making another character that they just meant like super scared of something. Like it, yeah. Do you know what they do that? It's such a trope now. And I just like, why why wouldn't they just do it the same way?

SPEAKER_03 23:21

Yeah. Unsettling circumstances. I guess you know what?

SPEAKER_01 23:25

You know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, it's like I think back in the 70s, or especially in the 60s, like hitchhiking and picking up hitchhikers was a very common thing. And I think that also plays in that cultural time where it's like some though, wasn't it supposed to like like the 60s?

SPEAKER_03 23:37

It was huge, but in the 70s, exactly, was it as huge?

SPEAKER_01 23:40

No, but that's what I'm saying, because now people, you need to be afraid of people. So, like, this is their these hippies now realizing like they picked up the wrong guy, like that era is over. Yeah. Whereas in this one, how do you justify a bunch of teenagers or 20-somethings picking up a hitchhiker? Oh, you gotta make her.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

But isn't this set in the 70s also? Or was this supposed to be set in modern?

SPEAKER_01 23:58

It is, but it doesn't even, but I that's what I'm saying. But I think like the cultural things that were happening at the time, like either the the writer didn't think about it or they were worried that audiences wouldn't relate to that. So they had to be. And I don't know a lot about the I know the writer did a bunch of these horror remakes. He did like the crazies and Amityville remake. Um, I don't know how much of a big fan he was of the original.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

I'm sure he watched it, but like if you're you can always tell though when somebody's made a remake or a sequel to a series, especially now that we do this all the time. You I can always tell when like, well, I think I can tell. Um when a director's like, okay, I'm making one for you so that I can then make one for me uh and do it in a studio pick, versus when the director comes in and has clearly been a massive fan of the franchise and really wants to like do it justice.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yeah, I uh this this clearly clearly was. I mean, I'm sure they wanted to do a good job and they were definitely trying to scare us, but it it felt just so forced. It was like, isn't this just it was like they were asking me the whole time, isn't this disturbing? Like, isn't this disturbing? And you're like, and I'm like, I just watched the original, it's not as disturbing as that.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

It's funny. Um, I wasn't expecting the meat hook reversal, like a girl to be the one in the original who got the meat hook. And even though it's way less violent in the original, I find it so much more unsettling because it is a girl.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Exactly. Because he and he just puts her there. Like it's it's like it's there's more of a lead up in the in the new one, and then because you like you see the hook, he looks over at the hook, he gets picked up and then thrown. Like in that one, you're just like, oh, she's on a hook. And then I also do like how not that I like it, but like it's it's more disturbing to me that all of these deaths they happen so quickly, every single one of them. It's just like two seconds and they're dead. Exactly. And it's sort of realistic in that way. Um and it's more disturbing to me when you have a character just like running around, like hooking up and stuff, and then all of a sudden, boom, they're dead in a matter of for no reason out of nowhere. And the whole time I'm watching these movies, especially the original, I'm like, is Leatherface watching these people? Or does he is he aware that at what point does he become aware that this guy's in his house and then he decides to like hit him with the sledgehammer or whatever? Yeah, you know, like does he is it like, oh shit, someone's here and he just hits them, or is like he knows oh there's a bunch of people around and I'm gonna get them all eventually.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

I read in the original that the intention was that like Leatherface, you know, is like uneducated and like you know, obviously disturbed in a lot of ways. And so it's like uh the way he's played is like he is just thinks he's protecting his home, and these are intruders who've just walked into his house and he's defending himself. Where in the second or in the remake, in the 2003 remake, um, like you see him watching through the peephole and stuff at different points, and it's like yeah, played very differently.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Which that's a pretty high-tech peephole for the 1970s. But I also think like, I mean, obviously you learn later in the remake that it's like every single one of these people here are somehow related to the to this like family and trying to like kill not caring that people are dying or whatever. But you don't realize that in the first, in the original one, you don't necessarily realize that the guy at the gas station is in on this thing too, right? Like he and in in fact, he even plays it like you shouldn't go over there, don't go up there.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

At what point Well he says not to oh that's true. He's telling them not to go to their own property. I was confused at that at first because I thought when Franklin was like, Oh, my grandpa or dad or whatever owns it, I thought that was a lie. And the guy was like, Oh, really? Because it was his property. And then everyone was like, Oh, okay, I misinterpreted that scene. But it is interesting that it's not even that guy's property. And he's like, You shouldn't go there. Like, he does warn them.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

He does warn them, yeah. And it's it's almost is he like reverse psychologying them? That's not a word. Um, or is he generally doesn't want them to go up there? And then once that happens, he's like, Well, I'm gonna have fun.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Because that dinner table scene, by the way, which they don't even have in the remake, which is interesting that they don't have it in the remake because they have it in so like they have it in like the the sequel with Matt McConaughey and Renee Zellwicker, I'm pretty sure. They have it in the prequel with Jordana Brewster, like they like do it in so many.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

That to me is yeah, that to me is like the scenes in these movies where like they they're stuck at this dinner with the word like the and like they're all laughing and smiling and looking at her all tied up, and then they have like they wheel grandpa in and he's all like decrepit, and he's still you realize he's still alive, yep, and like he's sucking on her finger. It's like it's just like this is insanity, but it's normal for these people, like they're excited about it. Like, that's what's creepy. They but in this new one, they they just like murderers for no reason. It's like even I mean, it's no for no reason in the in the original two, but it's like this is what happens to people when they get super isolated, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Well, I feel like in the first one, you can also read it as like kind of like when you were talking about like the times, is like, you know, these movements kind of take from smaller towns, like small rural communities, like when they're not taken care of when other things are going on in the world. And so when you have a bunch of isolated people who feel like they're not getting what they need to have their needs met, then outsiders are a threat to them.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

That's true. I like that point because I think don't they mention that like there used to be like a meat a meat factory in the town that was uh like everyone worked at and stuff, but it closed or whatever?

SPEAKER_03 29:32

It did I don't remember if it closed, but but it um they changed the way that they killed the cows and it put uh people out of jobs because now the cow gun could take out way more cows than than the hitchhiker just whapping them with a hammer.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

I did yeah, that's right. I did have that thought at that moment too where I was like, hmm, nothing changes.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

I was so surprised though that in the first one they didn't actually go to what is it? I want to be like meat packing plant, but that's not what it is. What what the hell is it called?

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Uh it's I think it's just the slaughterhouse, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Yeah, I mean it's like meat co because I'd seen the origin the remake first. There is that scene where they go and she's hiding in the slaughterhouse, and I expected that that had to have been pulled from the original, and I was so surprised that that was not a set piece in the original, that that never happened. I was like, no way, like that's such a big part.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

You know, they were all getting they were like, in this one though, in the remake, we're actually gonna we have the budget for the meat slaughter place. We're gonna we're gonna put it in. Also, they had like any excuse they had to like get Jessica Peel wet, they just took it. I did this. Oh, let's make the basement flooded. Let's turn the fucking sprinklers on. Let's like anytime there was like any change, and then it was pouring rain outside.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

So, how come her shirt never came untied with all that running and like yeah, movie magic? Always that sweaty belly button.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

You mean wet?

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Both.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

What else do we want to talk about? I get what they're doing, but I think they went too far with like more people in the sequel, with like, oh I guess they gave Jessica Bill something to do, like to save, like they save this baby or whatever. But like we have these two women in the in the trailer who's like they're also a part of this sort of crazy place.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

I always like the women in the trailer. I like always remember like the large woman being like ma. Like that was like in the trailer or something in the previews, and I was like, for weeks would just be like Ma Mama, try to get my double chains going.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

She hasn't changed since the 1950s.

unknown 31:37

No.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

The way that these two movies end too are very different. Like, I think and I said this earlier in the in the in our conversation, like the original feels like you're kind of a voyeur. They even have this like whole news thing at the beginning, which they do again, but it's like, oh, they're eating, they're they're digging up graves and they're like body parts are misappear disappearing. But in this one, not I don't remember really, but I don't think they really mention any of that.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

No, in this one, there's not like a uh story about the grave robbers. Um they're just passing through on their way to see Leonard Skinnard.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah, but there is like a I think they're reading it, might not be word for word, but I think they're reading like the same scroll that's in the in the original one out loud in the voiceover. It's very, it's very similar, some of the words they use. I don't know if it's exactly the same. Let us know in the comments, but um But then they had this like found footage thing that we don't really see until the end of the movie, which doesn't it's not a decent scare. I don't why wouldn't they start with that? Why wait till the end to see like that would be right over?

SPEAKER_03 32:39

I remembered it wrong, and I thought it was in the beginning, and so I actually have a note on that because I was like, How do we have the how do the cops have crime scene footage if Leatherface showed up? So exactly work. I do like that in always with the remakes in modern horror, they are always trying to go bloodier and gorier or whatever. And in the first one, like most of the violence is actually like a lot of it is implied and off-screen. Uh-huh. Where in the remake it's like, well, like kind of does that too, like Pepper getting the chainsaw while all we see is the feathers. I kind of like how they did that instead of us seeing it.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

That's the only, I think that's the only time, really, though, because I remember when they did that, I was like, oh, they didn't show that. That's that's odd.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

Um I also remember uh I was so distracted when he's in the remake when he's running through all the like sheets and Leatherface is chasing him through all the hanging sheets, and I was like, How many fucking sheets are there? Because it's like you the chasing's going on for a minute, and then like we get a zoom out shot of the whole thing, and there's like four sheets, and it was like what he just ran in a circle through four sheets.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Also, like judging by their house, they're never doing any laundry, so I don't know why. Have these sheets been outside for decades just hanging there?

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Why are they clean? Why aren't they like stained and disgusting?

SPEAKER_01 33:55

And yeah, that'd be kind of actually that'd be kind of creepy. Um, but you were reaching for a point where I I don't think you got to it, where it's like you were saying like that in the original movie. It's less violent, yeah, it's less gory, but it's more it's almost more disturbing.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

So the director was trying to avoid an NC17 rating, because at that time, you know, ratings were like G P G N C 17. Uh so he was going for PG or whatever. Um and then so he cut out all the like really violent parts and like made it more implied to get that, but then like it ended up getting NC17 because they actually thought that that made it scarier because yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

I mean it does it works, and I and I I a hundred percent agree. There's something so disturbing about the casual casuality that he kills these kids in the original one versus the second one where the second one it they try to make it more suspenseful. I I think what happens like they watch the original, it's like this is too we need to make these more of a scene, and they and and they were like, let's chase them for a while, let's have every scene be like a suspenseful scene. And like I get why you would want to do that. And that's why I was saying earlier where it's like the second one feels like much more of like a movie. Like I'm not I'm always aware I'm watching a movie in the sec in the remake versus in the in the original one where it's just like like what am like it's it is interesting that it's like not like the traditional horror trope of dragging out murder scenes, it's just like bop, yeah, and that's more realistic, and that's what makes it scary. And this might be not true, but I I think at the time too, like Psycho hat was just a huge hit. When did Psycho come out in the 60s? It did come out in the 60s, and it's sort of similar uh similar in the way where like you know, in Psycho, oh I don't want to spoil Psycho, but like all of these characters.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

Do you think anybody listening to this hasn't seen Psycho?

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Yes, I do actually. I imagine there's a lot of people that love horror movies that have not seen Psycho. Um maybe I won't even say it my point because I don't want to ruin that. But there's a similarity in the structuring of this movie with Psycho, I feel like, um, as far as like who our hero is, who we think our hero is at the beginning versus who it who our similarities of like going up into that room and then there's like two corpses in that room, or we're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

Well that too, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Or like going to a place where like an isolated person is sort of uh more disturbed than we are understanding as a as a visitor of that place, right? Um even so much of the gas station man who with the dad who we don't who seems like a normal dude and then we realize he's not.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

This was another scene, the gas station when he's like, I've been cooking barbecue, and I'm just like watching people eat meat in horror movies makes me want to be a vegetarian. Same. Like this Odyssey? No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

There's a there's a eating food, there's a scene, a food eating scene in that that's quite disturbing as well. Gross.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

Where they're just like sick. Uh yeah, people are gonna be like, why did you become a vegetarian? Like, are you an animal activist? Nope, I just watched too many horror movies for my podcast.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

What was I gonna say? Oh, yeah, I also love in the original one where first of all she's jumping through windows like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

Yeah, how many fucking windows can you jump through?

SPEAKER_01 37:11

But that's how she gets away. But and she gets away almost the first time, and she ends up at the gas station.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

That's what drives me nuts though. That that first chase, right? So she busts into the house and he's signed through the door, and she runs up the stairs, and there's like the corpses in the room. So she starts coming back down the stairs, even though she knows at the bottom of the stairs is the door and the man with the chainsaw who's already halfway through the door. Why did she go back to the door?

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Well, she's hoping he's not in yet. She hopes you can just run by him.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

But you who in their goddamn mind would actually do that.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

You're out, you're scared out of your mind. Like, what do you think? You're not really, you're just reacting.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

Exactly. And I'm not reacting in a way that leads me to run right into like potential sudden death. Like, go out the window then.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Yeah. Well, I mean, that was definitely the last minute call. I mean, it was like a second-story window. She just jumped out of him.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

Yeah, but if she hadn't wasted her time running back downstairs, she could have opened the window and crawled out of it while he was still fumbling to saw his way into the house.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Maybe. Maybe. I love how they shoot that chase, too. That out when I the first time I watched this movie when I was a teenager, it really creeped me out because he looked like he was so close to her, waving that chainsaw around. And I don't think you get the same effect in the in the remake, but I just remember being so terrified by that shot of her going through the woods with him just like right, like full on running at it. And it wasn't even like a like an over-exaggerated, like, I'm I'm in a movie rush. It was like I'm just holding this chain.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

And three-inch heels, and even with three-inch hills, he kept catching her while they were while he was chasing her and they were filming it. So he had to find things for Leatherface to do to kind of slow him down. So that's why he's like sawing at the branches and like has to get through the branches instead of just like chase her because he couldn't like he kept catching her.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Are you talking about in the original? Yeah, dude. First of all, if you're gonna be running in high heels through the woods, you are going to break your ankle.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Well, Gunnar Hansen did it. Give it up for that, bro.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

What a beast. Um, but I was I remember being very creeped out and terrified by that scene. But I like how we get to the gas station, and now this is a trope that we've seen a million times, but like she gets she thinks she's safe for a second, right? She's in this gas station, but then you realize, oh, this guy's in on it too, right? He goes, he goes, Oh, get the car, I'll be right back. And then he comes in and he's got a rope, and she's like, What are you doing? And then he ties her up. Like that, the way that this movie reveals things by not revealing it makes it even a better reveal. Does that make sense at all? I agree. Like he's like, all of a sudden he just walks in the room and there's no close-up on the rope. It's just like I have a rope in my hands. You're just like looking at the room.

SPEAKER_03 39:33

I couldn't stop laughing at him at him uh smacking her with the broom. It's just like it was just funny because it was like like it's a fucking broom. Like, grab the broom and fight back. But she was just like letting him just whap the shit out of her with it. And I like was like, this is I don't know, it made me laugh. It was fucked up. It reminded me of like uh Kill Bill 2 when she's like in her training and he keeps whacking her on the head with his cane, and I could not stop laughing at that. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Um I don't know. I had something that's gone. Oh sorry.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

How it's scary because it doesn't tell you what it's gonna do, it just does it, and then you realize you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

That's why I like the like that's why I like all the other kills too. Or he's just you're just there's no like build-up and then tension. It's just like, oh shit, he's tying her up now. I appreciated that a lot. And this woman, I don't know her name, who plays the main the final girl. By the way, did this movie invent final girls? Is this the first movie with the final girl?

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Maybe we're gonna have to look that up.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Uh yeah, but um maybe I've never I haven't seen The Last House on the Left, but maybe that was before this. Oh yeah, maybe that was the Final Girl. But she man, she's the she's screaming. Like, I have all the windows open in the cabin that we have our neighbors having guests over like that, and I have I'm watching this movie, and like she's just screaming for 30 minutes straight away.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Oh my god, at that dinner scene, there's too much screaming.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

What was my can we just remix it a little bit so it's just a little bit lower? Like, I've I bet you all my neighbors are like, what the fuck is he watching?

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Uh yeah, I literally wrote um not a fan of the close-up eye shots with the never-ending screaming.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Yeah, but that's I like that though. I don't know, it's creepy for 1974.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

But like, like I after that I wrote, How long can she scream at the table? My god, move on. Like, yeah, like it was fine for what it was, but it's just like, how long are you gonna just keep that one thing going?

SPEAKER_01 41:31

Well, I think that's what for me makes this movie stand out. Is but like I said, like it feels more like a film than a movie. It feels like what would you be doing in that situation? Maybe you would be screaming like that. Like, I think the psychic break that that situation would cause you. Fair you were just getting chased by a chainsaw guy, now you're like having dinner with them, sort of, and now they're about to eat. Like, it just yeah, and you have grandpa like missing, trying to kill her, like that's so disturbing too.

SPEAKER_03 41:57

That was very disturbing. It's funny because it's just like like obviously he's not gonna hurt her, but like just that whole idea of them playing with her like that, where they just keep putting the like hammer in his hand, and it's like, you know it's coming, but you don't know when you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

Yeah, and it's like they're so proud of like they're helping their grandfather do in their eyes something that's wholesome, right? Like we get to see our grandfather do what he does best, like murder people. Like, it's just like so fucked up. Yeah. Like then she runs through another window to get out of there.

SPEAKER_03 42:29

And then, okay, can we talk about this ending where like like great with her like getting in the back of the truck and him dancing in the wind? Yeah, it's the best. I love that shit.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

I love that shit.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

I was like, wait, I had to rewind it to make sure I saw it right. So she tries to like the semi-guy tries to help her, they get chased out of the semi, and then he just fucking runs and she gets in a truck, and they so they basically the semi-driver abandons his car, starts running, and no one goes after him. She's driving off one direction, leatherface is dancing, and that guy's just running away from his truck now that he abandoned.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

I think, yeah, well, one, I don't think he really cares about this new guy. He wants the girl to get back. Two, he's injured. He's got like a he chainsawed his leg earlier. But it just goes with the whole like mental stability of this guy. He's just like he is like the Joker in the subway bathroom dancing. Like he's he's just fucking crazy and he's enjoying himself with the chainsaw. Like he's like, I'm so free. I have he's just like that's what I think that shot is pretty iconic too now of her driving away and him just like them leaving this horror show behind and and like him still being alive out there somewhere, you know what I mean? Like seeing his final image of him just like doing the Joker thing and just like dancing with his fucking chainsaw.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

They really leave a lot of loose ends though.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

But yeah, but I mean what else is there to do? Like you know what I mean? She got away. I'm just surprised he didn't like get the semi truck driver, like for being in the way.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Again, he's not a calculated person. He just like Do you know what I mean? Like he's just reacting. Yeah. Like, and that's why in this in the sequel it's a little annoying for me to see like Leatherface feel like he has a plan. Like he's like sneaking up behind her, and like he's like there's too much thought going on in his brain in the sequel where I'm just like you can either be crazy or you can be a mastermind. Like being both, like in that way is weird.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

I'm bashing your favorite movie.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

No, um it's not my favorite movie. I I really liked it as a teen, and I I hadn't watched it in years.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

But you know, it was let's talk about the remake more. Okay. Is this cop an actual cop? No. How do we know that? Because she calls the sheriff's office?

SPEAKER_03 44:51

Um, I think I didn't ever think this before until watching it this time. But when they're in the gas station and the lady's like, the sheriff wants you to meet him at this place, they'll be he'll be there in two hours or whatever. And then she calls again from the house and the sheriff's on the way. I think that implies that the lady in the gas station just called this dude who's not really a cop, and that uh Jessica Pill actually did call the real cops.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

That's what I thought, too. But does that make him not a cop then? Or was he?

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Yeah, I think that implies that he's not really a cop.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

Then why didn't the cops ever show up? Why didn't the real cops ever show up?

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Um well, watch the sequels and find out.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 45:36

No, because they ended up making a prequel instead of a sequel. Oh with Jordana Brewster and Matt Balmer and Diora Byrd, who's a lesbian and go go go her.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Um yeah, it's funny. I think at the time, if I would have gone to see this movie, I probably would have liked it back in the 2000s, right? A little bit more because that was the aesthetic. And also, I think that's a way that people get into these classic horror movies, too. I remember Amityville coming out and and Ryan Reynolds getting like super ripped for that movie. Remember that whole campaign? And I remember going to see that movie and be like, this is a cool movie. And then I watched the original one and I was like, wow, this is not even there's so much more in the original movie that's happening. We should do that too. We should do I think we should do all like this a series. All these verses. We need to do The Hills Have Eyes too, because I love the remake on that. Okay. To me, that's a good remake.

SPEAKER_03 46:24

The thing too is like Scream 3 was the first scary movie I saw in theater. And then there was like a couple of PG-13s, like um What Lies Beneath and Sixth Sense, and but this was like the only the second like R-rated horror film that I'd seen in theaters, and going from Scream 3 to this is a drastic change. Oh, so it was like way intense for my uh 17-year-old brain.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

It seems purposeful. Like to me, it seems like this is a movie they tried to make for all audiences. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, they're trying to honor like the sort of grotesque and disturbing nature of the original one, but they don't want to do it too far because they want everyone to like this movie. Whereas in the original one, I don't think they gave a shit. They're like, let's just make something as disturbing as possible and put it out. Yeah. People are gonna like feel how they feel about it. And I think that is also like you can tell like a studio curated this movie in a way. And for good or for bad. Like, I don't if you like that. Like, I don't hate this movie. Like, it's fine, it's fun. She's more of a hero in this movie, she's more capable, she's uh she's fighting back more. I feel like they made her more strong. She has like she's saving this kid now, this baby. Um, she gets away on her own, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_03 47:35

Yeah, she drives the sheriff over with his own car and it's awesome. That's right. And then backs up over.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah, so you get that sort of modern day like movie release that audiences want. They want the the moment of revenge, right? To for the bad guy to get their like upcomments.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

And it is nice to, like you said, to like see her as like a strong character fighting back instead of like a hysterical, weak female who's just running and coincidentally. I mean, I wouldn't call her weak.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

But Sally doesn't fight in the first one.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Well, I mean she runs, sure, but like there's four people after or three people that are chasing her with a chainsaw.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Yeah, but it's yeah, I guess. But you know, like they just you're right though, they made Jessica Beale's Aaron character more of a hero figure.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

Yeah, and she's smarter, she's more concerned.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

I did read that um like on the original because it was so low budget. It's so it's just so funny when you watch like a passion project that people, you know, like the whole run and gun shit versus like a studio picture.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

There's just so much more interesting detail to even like reading like the facts about it and like the production. So like she had like three outfits for the entire production, and like when she was running through the trees, she like got like cut so badly by one of them that like the majority of the blood on her tank top is her actual blood.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

Whoa. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

And like Gunnar Hansen, like he had one leather face costume and he had to wear it every day in that 110 Texas heat. So by the end of production, he smelled so bad that people wouldn't hang out with him on set.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

That's sad.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

And those are just like there's just more interesting facts that go into like these people just really wanted to make a movie, so these are the crazy fucking conditions that they dealt with to get this picture made, versus uh the studio wanted to reboot something because they happened to have the IP and thought it'd be a moneymaker.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

I agree. I you're right. And I I think you can always sort of tell it's like a sixth sense, I think, sort of when you can watch a movie and you just feel that this movie was made so intentionally by passionate people versus like a job. Not to say that those movies can't be good too, but they're you definitely feel you see it and you feel it in um there's it's not a tangible thing, but you can just feel when a creative person goes in and says, I am very passionate about this project.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Will you finance it? Here's what I want to do with it, versus a studio saying we are rebooting this IP and interviewing a bunch of directors to see who has the most interesting ideas. You know, it's just who's driving it tells. You can tell. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

And I don't want to insult this writer and director.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

I mean, I think I did a great job.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

I think, you know, I really Well the writer worked on uh your favorite show. Hunting a Hill House.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Really? Yeah. Scott Scott Kozar. I he might have been just a producer on it, but he he worked on that show.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Yeah, and also Bates Motel, which I haven't seen. And he did all these remakes.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

I mean, I really, really, really like this remake for you know, one of a reboot. Like, I think it does better than a lot of other franchises do rebooting a series. Like, it scared the shit out of me as a teenager, and I thought Jessica Bill was great, and I I really liked it as a kid. Now it's just like I guess I look for more out of my horror these days. Isn't like now that we have to talk about it all the time. I'm like, let's get a little more cerebral and intentional and like you know, yeah, and I'm being harsh on the movie.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

I I agree. I think I also think the movie was made for teenagers. Like, I think this is a movie, you know, you mentioned you watched it as a teenager. Like, this is a movie you can put on and not worry about like what is this person gonna think of me for watching. You know what I mean? Like, like you can you put on the original text, and you might be like, why do you fucking watch this movie, you weirdo? Whereas you put on the new one, you're kind of like, all right, this is more fun.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

It's more Yeah, the goal is to scare like a bunch of teens.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

It's more of a thrill ride than the original one is, and and it's and in that case it's good, yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I I love watching Jessica Bill. So Yeah, same. That helps. Yeah. Um do we have more to say about this?

SPEAKER_03 51:44

Look at my notes, see if I have any other notes. I don't really think I do.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Do you think is there a new one coming out? There is, right?

SPEAKER_03 51:51

Uh so that's why I wanted to do this because I did love this one, and Curry Barker Obsession gets to do the next one. And he said that this remake is gonna be his influence in his film.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

So that excites me because I think one of the strong suits of Obsession was the way it was shot in a way, and maybe we bashed I bashed it a little bit in the original, but like watching the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, feeling like a voyeur, feeling like the camera's not moving, it's just like watching this stuff from happen from afar. Like, if he goes in that direction with this, I think that's gonna feel like a true sequel remake, whatever they're gonna call it.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Yeah, I'm very curious to see how it comes together for him. Yeah, and if it's like the the thing about all of these ones with the I do want you to watch the like last one that came out with like the influencer community, because okay, yeah. Can I just spoil something for you? Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

And for everybody who's listening.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

There's this like hilarious scene on it where like, so like all the influencers roll into this like ideal community they're trying to build, and they all roll in together on this bus for this event to like promote this town, and then Leatherface gets on the bus with all these influencers and runs the chainsaw through like 30 people at once.

SPEAKER_00 53:03

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

It's ridiculous. And that one has an ending that had is like a holy fuck moment. I don't like that one. Like, if I were to rank the ones, the four that we were originally going to do for this, for me, it's like maybe the remake, honestly, like just because it was it's such a part of my youth, like I just have such fun memories of that. Just fond memories of Leatherface. Uh, and then the original, and then that influencer one, just because it's got some like actually like hilarious holy fuck moments, and then some holy shit moments.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

All right, yeah, I'll check that out. Maybe we'll maybe we'll review that one day.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Word, maybe when courage.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

I will say too, in in this remake, I feel like they watched the original. Like, for a movie called the Texas Chainsaw Mascara, there's not a lot of chainsawing happening. Yeah, so they put it the chainsaw everywhere in the sick in the remake, which he has no regard for his own house. He's just chainsawing through every wall and door around. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, but he did it like multiple times. I'm like, dude, where are you gonna live if you destroy this place? Um, yeah, I'll watch that. That's it. I I don't got anything else to do.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

But yeah, oh, I guess what I was gonna say. The one I was kind of tangenting on that one is that one is the only one that feels like kind of an original idea coming off of these. Like all the other prequels, sequels, they all kind of feel like the exact same story, just with different actors and slightly different details. That one at least was like an original idea. So I'm very curious to see if Curry Barker goes super original or just tries to do like his take on the classic.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

It'd be cool if we did a modern version of this. Which I guess that version you're just talking about is basically put. I don't know. Like, I you know what movie I thought about a lot while watching this is Midsummer. Really? Yeah, this the whole idea of like an isolated community, like you're there and you're not really aware. I think it's more of this the remake, because like when she runs into that trailer with those people or like those two women are just like also a part of this like community. All I can think about was like the entire cult or whatever that Midsummer was. We need to do that movie.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

I don't think I can watch uh uh Hereditary again, but I would watch Midsummer again. Do you remember that Aubrey Plaza was sitting in front of us during Hereditary? I didn't remember it was that movie, but I remember seeing her in the parking lot. I spent like the whole movie staring at her instead of watching the movie.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Which movie was it?

SPEAKER_03 55:25

Hereditary. We saw it with uh Jeff at the shout out to Jeff. What up, Jeff? We miss you.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

Yeah. Come on the pod.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

Tell us what movie you want to review if you like horror movies. I am sweating so much. Look at this.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

This is Should we wrap this up so we're not sweating to death? Yeah, I feel like I'm in Texas right now.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

I'm in Texas heat. I'm very immersed in this. Um I do want to say one last thing. I do think that this sort of I guess maybe it was Rosemary's baby, really, that inspires sort of this like this idea of when you are just a normal person and you cross into a barrier of a culture or a society that is like so strange and you're not aware of it. Like, I think that's why I love The Hills Have Eyes, the remake one, because there's a moment in that movie where he has to like go get his baby back, and so he has to enter like the enemy's donate domain. And the minute that starts, you're kind of like, what is gonna happen? You're looking behind your your back, like they could be anywhere. What's what is he gonna find? Like, there's you're so out of your element at this point. Like, that's that's always scary to me. Yeah. And this movie did that so well.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

Question for you. Yeah, would you consider House of a Thousand Corpses just another Texas Chainsaw Massacre? Because that's what I've always thought of it as.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

I've never really seen the full movie. What? That was a movie that I would always come on and I would put it on, but I always catch it at different times.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

I love Rob Zombies, yeah. Horror movies, so I feel like we should do like a like a Rob Zombie month when we are like we talk.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

I'm totally down with that. I have never seen I've never seen any of his movies. I haven't seen Oh my god, I love his movies. Devil's Rejects. I haven't seen um his remake of Halloween. I don't think you haven't? I don't know. Have I seen that?

SPEAKER_03 57:07

I don't think I've seen his his remake is pretty similar to the original, just a little more brutal. But then his Halloween 2 take. Um, it starts in the hospital like the original, but then it goes in a totally different direction. And I like that movie made me crap my pants.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

We should do a versus for that. We should do Halloween versus Halloween, the Rob Zombie one.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Okay. We should do like one episode of the original.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

We should do it on Halloween, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

Oh yeah. Planning that into the schedule right now. Going and updating our sketch.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

By the way, thanks for listening. And uh, if you want to follow us, you can follow us on Instagram at slasher bash underscore podcast. We should probably get on more platforms. But let us know what you thought of this episode, which one you like more, worse, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

Also, do we want to announce really quick uh who won the first convince me face-off? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:04

What are the what is facing off here?

SPEAKER_03 58:06

Okay, so if you hadn't been following on our Instagram, um, you and you don't know what convince me is, so basically, like uh we solicited to our followers like convince us that a critically panned or fan-hated movie is actually better than people give it credit for. And uh shout out to Sci-Fi Aaron, he is a very active follower on Instagram and I love engaging with him. Um but so he submitted an argument for two films, Disturbing Behavior and 13 Ghosts. So rather than like picking one over the other, we posted the arguments for both and then had people vote on which one we should cover and 13 ghosts one. So that will be getting covered. So shout out to you, Aaron. Uh we'll discuss the schedule off camera. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

All right. Um, thanks to everyone who voted on that, and thank you, Sci-Fi Aaron, for sending those.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Yes, and anybody else who wants to participate and convince me, you can submit your arguments and films uh and that hill you'll die on to slasher bash pod at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

I think we should limit it to one. Just pitch us one at a time because I also want to review disturbing behavior at some time at some point. You know what I mean? I don't want it to feel like we're choosing one over the other, but well, maybe we'll end up doing both.

SPEAKER_03 59:24

Who knows? Maybe we'll surprise you.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Maybe. It'll be a verses episode. No kidding. Anyway, that's all I got. All right. What about you?

SPEAKER_03 59:33

Go get them, cuz.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

Go get 'em, cuz.