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Ex-Goldman Sachs Employee: Why $10,000,000 Will Never Be Enough

• Mitchel Clark — The Standard • Season 1 • Episode 10

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Leugim Borres is a former banking professional who spent over a decade rising through institutions like Wells Fargo before transitioning into commercial banking and later joining Goldman Sachs. After reaching high-performance environments at the top level, he made the decision to step away and pursue entrepreneurship, launching a premium açaí business in Dallas called Açaí Brasil. His journey spans corporate leadership, financial strategy, and now business ownership, all shaped by a deep focus on personal growth, spirituality, and intentional living.

We unpack the internal shift that moves a man from external validation to internal clarity, and how that transformation can redefine career, relationships, and legacy.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The hidden cost of chasing promotions, status, and income
• Why success can feel empty even at the highest levels
• The internal shift from external validation to self-awareness
• Lessons learned from working inside Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs
• The reality of leaving corporate to start a business
• How to take calculated risks without destroying your stability
• The importance of environment and finding like-minded men
• Redefining legacy beyond money, titles, and achievements

The Legacy & Wealth Podcast, hosted by Mitchell Clark and presented by The Standard, features conversations with entrepreneurs, executives, and high-performing men who are building wealth, leadership, and legacy. Each episode dives into the mindset, decisions, and experiences that shape men operating at a high level across business and life.

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction
 02:30 Military experience and early mindset shifts
 06:10 Current business and açaí concept
 08:40 Growing up in Puerto Rico and moving to the U.S.
 09:50 Career path: Wells Fargo to commercial banking
 13:00 Layoffs during COVID and forced transition
 13:50 Joining Goldman Sachs and high-performance culture
 15:00 Internal conflict and redefining life priorities
 18:00 Walking away from status and identity
 20:00 Transition into entrepreneurship
 21:30 The reality of owning a business
 23:00 Financial sacrifices and lowering lifestyle
 24:00 Influence of marriage and partnership
 25:30 Spiritual awakening and personal growth
 33:00 Finding brotherhood and joining The Standard
 37:00 Taking risks and reinventing yourself
 41:00 Building skills beyond money
 47:30 Advice for younger self
 49:30 Money vs. status and career decisions
 57:00 Cutting through noise and finding direction
 01:00:30 Defining legacy and impact

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SPEAKER_01

That led me to quitting Common Sachs. Have dinner with my wife. I will be drinking, not paying attention, not being in the intentional, not being in the moment because I just wanted to skip. What does your family need from you? More money or more of yourself? In my opinion, I don't believe that you sacrifice family for money. It's not a sacrifice, it's a decision. And you're deciding what is more important for you. And I think so we hide ourselves under the sacrifice part. And this is this is a theme. Little by little, taking masks and putting masks. I see a promotion. When is the next one? I would enjoy actually the fruit of my labors right in there because I was always looking at them.

SPEAKER_03

Welcome to the Legacy and Wealth Podcast, a show for proven high-earning men who value wealth, character, and a lasting legacy. Brought to you by The Standard, a private membership community for high performers. My name is Mitchell Clark, and today I'm joined by fellow standard member Lojan Boris. Thank you for having me. Yes. So let's go ahead and get started. The first question I have for you is how do you make money right now?

SPEAKER_01

Right now, I have a business. It's an asai shop. It's a Brazilian berry. Are you familiar with the asaí bowls?

SPEAKER_03

I am. I am. But it's mainly just kind of the normal like chain restaurants I kind of see like around the corner. So and then from what little I talked to you about beforehand, yours is a little bit different than your bread and butter like Shake Shack or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, exactly. Our ASI is a premium acai that we import from Brazil, so it's not diluted and it's it has all the antioxidants and all the health benefit that the Saber is supposed to have. So it's a franchise. Uh we brought the franchise here to Dallas. My first location is at Victory Park, down where the American Airline Arena is at. And currently we're looking into a second location moving a little bit north. So that's the way that I'm making money at the moment.

SPEAKER_03

I'll just add in I live in uh North Dallas and McKinney. So if you're looking for a second location, I would I would pick something around that area. Definitely. Tell me about uh I'm kind of curious about this dice I see berry itself. What does it actually taste like outside? Because most I see Aussie bowls that I have are basically just taste like sugar bowls, but what is it supposed to taste like? What's the difference between like what you would typically see versus what they would taste at your shop?

SPEAKER_01

It's uh it's a mix, it's it has a unique taste. It tastes, I would say, the most closest thing is like a blueberry. It looks like a blueberry. Okay, and what we what you eat is actually the pulp around because it had uh yeah, the the pulp around. Um yeah, it tastes like a blueberry, it's uh superfruit, it's considered superfruit, so it has antioxidants, vitamins, uh anti-inflammatory uh agents, so it's it's really good for your health. Okay, and to your point, when you say the other ones that you taste around, again, it's low-quality asai. Sure. And usually they want to make more money, so they bring a low-quality product, so they mix it, they need to mix it with a lot of sugar, a lot of sugar, other fruits, so they can serve something that the customer might like.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Have you always done Aussie bowls? Like, have you done this your entire career? Or no, no, okay.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, definitely this was a complete 360 for me. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Well, here, let's let's talk about that because we want to kind of get to know you as a person. Let's kind of start back from the beginning. So uh, and we were talking earlier. Did you grow up in Puerto Rico or where did you where'd you grow up?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Uh, I went to my whole life in Puerto Rico to a Catholic school. And when I graduated high school, that's when I decided to move to Colorado. Okay. To go to college and do my um finish my accounting degree. Awesome.

SPEAKER_03

How how did that go through? Did you want to do accounting or what was kind of your thought process of choosing a degree?

SPEAKER_01

So that was the plan. So the plan since I was later, it was okay, let's go and do accounting because I wanted to be an FBI agent at the beginning. Oh. So I have a family member in Colorado, which is my uncle. He's uh he was a FBI retire agent, so I always saw that as a career path. Okay. So the whole it was a plan. Kind of like I decided, but it was made for me. Okay. It was go to college, finish accounting, get your CPA, go join one of the big four firms, okay, and then join the FBI. Or join the FBI right away when the when you finish your CPA. Things took a little bit of a twist. Okay. So I moved to Colorado, no knowing any English, went to college. While I was going to college, I started working in Wals Fargo as a tailor. Uh so at that point, I started falling in love with banking. Okay. And with success. So uh I started working in Wals Fargo as a tailor, worked my way up in four years all the way to a branch manager position. And I spent 10 years of yeah, 10 years in Wals Fargo from tailor to branch manager, and then I moved to a commercial role. It was a commercial relationship manager. Okay. After I learned everything about retail, I wanted another challenge. And that challenge was commercial. How do we do the big loans? How do we finance a $10 million building? So I wanted to learn a little bit more about those ins and outs. So that's when I decided to make the transfer. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

That's awesome. So okay, when you tell her going into that, what were what were some of the clients that you I know it's probably a wide variety, but any that stuck out to you clients-wise that you had to work with on the commercial side?

SPEAKER_01

The commercial side, well, there were many of them. Uh I were, yeah. I had a portfolio of 30 clients. Uh, they ranged from doctors with a portfolio of 50 million dollars in commercial uh real estate. Okay and I will manage that that portfolio, that relationship, to um let me think, it was uh industrial shop, but they weren't they were printing money. They were printing uh what kind of shop? Uh industrial shop. They will sell like tools for mechanics and I will I will manage.

SPEAKER_03

I've heard about those, I heard those things can make a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01

I those yeah, they they were that they were making 50 to 60 million dollars a year. So I would not surprise.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, were they like loaning out tools or like so now?

SPEAKER_01

Selling, selling from selling small tools all the way to big equipment from it. So that was it was interesting because I was able to learn from every single of my business in the portfolio. Um, that's what spiked like uh start make me start thinking about okay, what other businesses can I do? And it started putting me to think like, do I want to incorporate Korea forever? It's good, but what else is out there because I always knew that there was something more out there for me. Okay, no, that's good.

SPEAKER_03

So you were a commercial lender. Where'd you go after that?

SPEAKER_01

So uh 2020 happened. Uh I remember the pandemic uh happened. And when the pandemic hit um in February when the lockdown started around March, I remember telling my wife, uh, run the numbers in the house because I think so uh there's gonna be massive layoffs, layoffs. Um and they told us to put the pen down, basically. So I was I was a revenue-driven, it was a revenue-driven position. So during during COVID, we were not making no loans, there were no writings, people were afraid. Uh so fast forward to October, they lay off the whole office, and that pushed me to start looking to other avenues. That's where another opportunity is, that's where I had a decision to make. It was either stay in Colorado, look for other positions in Colorado, uh, even in West Faro, if I wanted to, or explore outside Colorado. I think so it was my my soul was journeying going outside Colorado because uh by that time I only lived in Puerto Rico and Colorado. Okay. So I knew I wanted something different. Uh I started applying uh to different different states, but mostly here in Texas. Uh, I remember I had interviews set up for being white melon in Houston, uh, the Federal Reserve here in Dallas. I did a couple of interviews with them. That was in my second interview, and then Goldman Sachs, where I actually, that's where I got hired, and they brought me here to that's awesome.

SPEAKER_03

That's really cool. How was that experience at Goldman Sachs?

SPEAKER_01

That experience was amazing in the sense that I was I learned a lot in there, in there, but at the same time, it was transformative for me. Um, a lot of things that during that year that I was in Goldman Sachs, uh, I got to know myself more than the 10 years that I was in Wals Faro. Um, reason why, um, when I got when I joined Goldman, I worked with amazing people in there, high performance people. They were always going 150 miles an hour, which it was exciting to be there. Um, but I was in my 30s already. I had a little bit of a different point of view at that time. I came from Wolf Faro, uh, where you had a little bit of a work-life balance talk-up style, um, depending on the position, of course. Uh, but here it was like the rush. You were you were driven by the rush, and it was it was amazing. But at the same time, uh I will be going inside me to see what what I really want from life, and that's where the discussions about marriage, having babies, what do I want for uh going forward in my teddies start happening more and more? And that year in in Goldman, again, I enjoy my time there, but uh, there was something deeper inside me telling me Were you married at the time?

SPEAKER_03

Yes, go on Sachs. When let's go back, let's rewind the clock pack a little bit. But uh, where did you meet your wife and how did that happen? Was she with you during the Wells Fargo?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, high school sweetheart. We are high school high school sweethearts, yes. Uh we we met in high school. Uh we dated one year uh a year and a half in high school, and then I moved to college, so that's when we split up. But then after four years me being in Colorado, we we kind of like re-engaged. Okay. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so she's been with you throughout this entire process. Throughout the entire process, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, everything.

SPEAKER_03

How did she feel from her perspective of your you know kind of transitions from college to Wells Fargo, you know, in your different positions in the Goldman Sachs? How did she react to all those different positions?

SPEAKER_01

There was we were different persons in every single stage. Uh I think so. People who knew me in high school wouldn't recognize the person in my 20s. Yeah. And people who knew me in Wells Fargo in my 20s wouldn't recognize the person in my 30s right now. That's interesting. Like definitely definitely, like when I say it have been transformative, it's like completely. Like I have changed completely who I am as a person, spiritually, everything. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Let's let's go into that a little bit. What changed what's changed in between like if you were to see if you had someone kind of looking at you from the outside from those three different phases, what do you think they would see changed about you?

SPEAKER_01

In my in my younger years, let's say in high school, I was a follower. Okay. So I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do when I get out of high school. Sure. So a lot of advice from elder people, a lot of things. Uh so I was little by little, and this is this is a theme, little by little taking masks and putting masks every every single time. So that's when I go to college. Then during my college years, I'm being more influenced by chasing money, promotions, uh status. Um I see a promotion, when is the next one? I wouldn't enjoy actually the fruit of my labors right in there because I was always looking at the next thing. What is next thing? What how much more I can make? And now in my 30s, it's more of about wait a second, I need to remove this mask. I need to remove this other mask. I need to actually go inside and think about who I'm really am. Okay. And that's that's what that led me to quitting uh Goldman Sachs. Like uh actually, after a year of doing that introspection and taking out peeling layers and layers and layers, I'm like, oh, this is not what I want.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. I think sometimes you need to go through a trial like that to figure I've I've heard this as a quote from someone. Like, sometimes you have to you have to get what you want to figure out what it is you really want. Like once you reach your goals and your dreams, that's when you start actually figuring out like what it is that actually makes you happy. And sometimes it takes reaching that destination for you to be like, wait a second, this isn't exactly what I thought it was gonna be. But then it was good because then it kind of rearranges your mind on what is it that's truly important to you. And I think a lot of people, so it sounds like you kind of found that at Goldman Sachs.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I kind of found that on Goldman Sachs, and then at the it was painful, not gonna lie to you, because you're you're attached to uh to a company. Yeah. Uh uh, how do you call your ego? You uh Goldman Sachs person.

SPEAKER_03

So it wasn't just like an easy quick, like I'm done here, just get out of it.

SPEAKER_01

It wasn't an easy quick, it was more of a process of thinking, okay, this is what what I really want. Uh I'm a Puerto Rican, I'm I'm from Puerto Rico, my the first in my family to go to college. I made it to Goldman Sachs. Like, no, I can see the future. Like if I stay here, I can see me being a VP. They were already dingling that carrot in front of me. And I'm like, I just need to continue pushing and pushing. But I would get out at 9, 10 a.m. go to have dinner with my wife. I will be drinking, not paying attention, not being in the intentional, not being in the moment because I just wanted to escape the whole rush during the day. So that's where where I decided, no, I need to quit. And yeah, and quitting took took a lot from me because it was like me disconnecting that ego, that brand from me. And then took some time off to just uh we traveled a little bit, me and my wife during that time. And then uh after four or five months, that's when I decided, you know what, I'm gonna get back to it. And that's when I joined MUFG. It's a Japanese bank. It was a little bit of a more mellow pace on it. Japanese, they do everything like really, really well, but it takes time. Okay, so it wasn't an American bank.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no, that's interesting. What's the bank called? MUFG. MUFD, okay. So then from there, so was the Asibo after that or was okay. So how long were you at the Japanese company for?

SPEAKER_01

Um three years.

SPEAKER_03

Three years, okay. Three years, yes. So how old are you now, if you don't mind? 35. 35. Okay, all right, excellent. So you okay, so you went through all this, you're in the Asibo business now, you've had one location. How long has that been for?

SPEAKER_01

Uh well, now it's nine months. Okay. Yeah, is we started, uh we opened the doors in March last year, 2025.

SPEAKER_03

How is the how's the journey been there? Any ups and downs, or has it been just smooth sailing the entire time? Roller coaster. Yeah, really? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You're learning, yeah, you're learning, but uh, I learned to trust the process, and you know, a lot of ups and downs, but the downs will pass and the ups too. So as long as I know that I just enjoy the wherever I'm at. So uh it has been a lot of learning throughout the process because it's my first kind of like quote unquote restaurant uh since being in banking. Um I have catch up really quick, so it's good. My wife too. Um, but yeah, it has been amazing. It has been a good, a good experience.

SPEAKER_03

What is because I think there's a lot of people out there that they think that owning their business is like that's that's the key. Uh I can escape the whole nine to five and everything else and embrace all this freedom. Is it all as parallel to me, or what how does it feel going from working at a more corporate job to now you're more or less working for yourself? What are the pros and cons now that you've been on both sides of the fence?

SPEAKER_01

Well, there is pros and cons. You can make arguments for for both sides. Uh I would say that leaving corporate and jumping into a business is not as simple as I'm quitting and that's it. And depending on your life situation, like for me, it's just me and my wife. So it was easy to just uh I'm gonna sound like Dave Ramsey here, sure, but have a six to a year, uh six months to a year emergency savings. So that gives that gives you a lot of uh peace of mind. So that's why I stay so long to incorporate after Gomez, so I can build that. Okay at the same time, uh it's painful, but you need to go through uh you need to lower your standards of living, meaning uh my fancy cars and my wife's fancy cars. So we sold the house, we move we move into an apartment, so we lower our expenses as much as possible. That takes commitment, sure, and it's painful, sure, and it's painful because sometimes our identities are by the car that we drive, by the status that we have, the big house, and that stuff. And sometimes it doesn't come from the house, it might come from the family too. Some expectations that your family have because after you build all this, I have the house, I have the car. That's interesting. You're now going, no, no, burn it all because we're gonna go this this different way. I'm gonna start actually shopping away my own way. I'm not following nobody's way. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So how does your wife feel about that? I guess kind of lowering the standards of living for a little bit. Although I would imagine for a season, uh forever, once you have like your 10 Asibo locations, you'll be right back to it and living the dream, I assume. But how how did she react to going through that process?

SPEAKER_01

Uh she was on board completely because she actually did it before me. Oh, really? Yes, my wife had a finance degree, MBA, everything. She was a finance manager for PepsiCo. So she was, yeah, we were a power couple right there. Yes, we were at the top tops, and she decided one one day she came to me and she said, I wanted to be an aesthetician. I'm like, go for it. I know that that's since the beginning that we met, that's what you wanted to do. It's just that we have some goals that we wanted to have the house, we wanted to have the cars, the corporate career, and that's what we decided to follow. But I know that that's your path. So she started taking classes at night of uh aesthetician until six months later, she said, I'm gonna open my business. I'm like, go for it. I stay working. So she was already on that path.

SPEAKER_03

It just took me a year, year and a half for I will say the message of God come to me about the as I so she's kind of stu she's kind of gone down this path a little bit before you. Did that kind of inspire you a little bit? Like, yeah, she can do it, I can do it too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, okay, uh, inspired me a little bit. Uh at the same time, I knew that at some point I was jumping out because if she's gonna have her business, uh and this is where logic and emotions come around. It's like logically I needed to stay working, and she she does her her career until things get better. But sometimes sometimes uh doors open up for you that you cannot let them let them go go out. So uh when the when the Sae idea came through, it wasn't just like a random idea, it was strong. I cannot explain to you how how strong it felt, yeah, but it was really strong. It went it was like out of this world. That's when I say God gave me the idea, and it was like this is the one. Pretty strong when you hear the call. It was something that you're like, I I can explain it to you, but until people don't feel it, it's like, and that's why it's so important sometimes. Uh it and this is my experience, right? That's why it's so important that to be able to listen to those calls or those ideas, yeah, you need to actually work in yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I uh there's a quote a friend of mine said that um uh God moves a steer, what was it? Uh God can only steer a moving ship, essentially, meaning like it takes some initiative where you're going somewhere, and God will kind of steer you along the way. But sometimes you need to get up and moving, and then God will kind of start revealing to you as you're taking those steps in the right direction. If you want to connect with high performers like today's and previous guests, I want to invite you to apply to join the standard. We are a private membership community that improves the health, wealth, and relationships for six-figure earners who perform at the highest level physically, emotionally, spiritually, socially, and financially. What we offer is simple. We will give you a vetted local brotherhood of men on your level or above. We will give you a customized plan to build true generational wealth. We will give you a personal liaison to achieve all of your goals. If you are tired of being the most successful person in your circle, frustrated with always pouring into others and not having anyone to pour into you, or you want to have conversations like the ones you're hearing today in person on a weekly basis with fellow higher performers, go to thestandardmen.com to apply. That's thestandardmen.com. Hit the link in the description below. Now back to the episode. Now, this kind of spiritual awakening you have, has this been fairly recent? Like primarily within like the Goldman Sachs region where you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_01

When I turned my Tedis, and I think so. I read after it happened to me, things happened to me during my teddy's that I I couldn't understand at the moment, but then the more I start reading and going to the panel makes sense. Sure. A lot of I think so when people turn 30, they have like an awakening type of moment. And depending where you are, uh mentally, spiritually, you're able to understand those messages and what is happening to you. Okay. So that's where that's that's what happened to me in my teddy's. Yeah, things shake and I was I was guided, let's put it. I was guided to understand what was happening.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. I had something a little bit different than yours, but I had a little bit of a similar experience where I was I was very devout as a teenager, and then during my college years, I had been focusing a lot on um how would I say this basically trying to find fulfillment in a lot of other things. Um, primary like I I'll just be honest, like like women, parties, all that kind of stuff. So that was kind of like a more on the party scene throughout college in the beginning of my of my adult years, and then like like maybe a year or so before I met my wife, I had kind of that that come the Lord moment where I was thinking and dwelling on it because I I took a look at myself. Actually, this is what the turning point was. I was a military officer at the time. We were kind of talking about this. I I used to be an infantry officer, and I had a uh platoon sergeant that he had like a like a three-year-month year old at the house, and his wife had kicked him out of the house because their their their relationship was so tumultuous and so just strained. And I mean, I don't totally blame her because he was a very tumultuous type of person, and I'm sure he didn't make great decisions to the point where he like crashed on my bed. And there's a point, and then I had like a I had another non-commissioned officer that was like dating a stripper at the time. Anyway, it I I got a point where I was like working amidst like my heroes, and I looked around, I'm like, these are my heroes, and this is the type of life they're like this is this is where my life is gonna go down if I continue along this. And so then I had a kind of a turning around moment, literally, and it was like maybe six months before I met my wife. Thank goodness. Thank god because if she had met me at any other time, I don't know if it would have been a good experience.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, that's good. Yeah, I know. Um, so to go back to that Goldman Sachs moment. So, for example, uh prior to me moving to From Colorado during the pandemic, I stopped drinking a little bit. So my consumption of drinking went went really, really down. Sure. But when it's wait during Goldman Sachs, or with beforehand before Goldman Sachs. So when I started working at Goldman Sachs, going a hundred 150 miles an hour, making money, meetings, all that, everything, I would go out to dinner and I would be drinking like uh whiskey like it was water. Sure. And I remember one moment in uh in a I was eating sushi with the wife, and I ordered a drink, and I ordered my third whiskey. Um when I drink and I'm about to order the fourth, uh something hit me. And I'm like, oh, we have been here only 20 minutes. And it hit me. He hit me. And that that that was another another wake-up call that I'm like, oh wow, wait a second, what's happening to me? So again, many I have a lot of stories like that from that time, but that's something that wake me up. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Well, another question I have for you, because I'm kind of curious, when did you find the standard, this this group that we've both stumbled upon? What was your what was your experience kind of going into it?

SPEAKER_01

So I opened a business uh last March since I moved here uh four years ago. I have a group I haven't met a lot of people. Okay. I think so. And I was discussing this with my wife and everything. Um I I don't know if it was the pandemic or it was that it's hard to make friends in your 30s because I think so. So it was a little bit hard to find like-minded people here. Um and I wasn't in the mentality of let's go party, let's go drink, uh, I enjoy my my sleep time. So everything that we can do from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m., we can do it from 5 to 9. Preaching in the choir, man.

SPEAKER_03

I have I have a 90-month-year-old at the house, and I'm like, when is bedtime every night? So yeah, I so I sympathize with that heavily.

SPEAKER_01

So opening the business, you know, I'm going there during the summer. Um, I went to Peru during the summer, and then I came back and I'm like, okay, I need to find a group. One is I have a business, I need to network more. That's one. I need to start getting out there to small businesses and network more. I never had a problem networking, so I'm good. But finding, I haven't put myself out there that much in Dallas. Yeah. Uh then I don't know if my phone was listening. I hope not. But having a conversation with my wife, the standards at start coming up. And I'm like, okay, let me, this sounds interesting. But again, it was like some of the messages that I get, it was a little bit too strong. It wasn't just like, oh, another app. It was like, huh, let me let me look into it. So I sat sat sat on it for uh for a month, looking into it, doing my as much research as I can. And that's where I'm like, what the heck? Let me take the test, let me go through through the process, let me let me get into the discovery call with them. And then rather than judging prior to knowing, let's just go through it and let me see what is what is this about. And yeah, definitely. I jump in a call with uh Joseph first, and then uh we went through he walked me through what they what their uh core values are. Uh he didn't sell it to me, so that was something that I'm like, eh. Okay. They're not selling it, they're just telling you, here's the what we what we have. If you're interested, just if not, it might it might not be for you. Yeah, yeah, it might not be for you. So I'm like, okay, let me let me look into it more. And that's when I decided. I told my wife, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna pay the initiation fee. I'm going in. And since I joined, the support has been amazing. Uh Hafiz has been really supportive on my business. He called me every other week to see how I'm doing and how else I can uh he can help and everything. So it'll be been fantastic. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's one another reason I'm excited for this this series. I'm gonna be meeting a lot of different members of this, the the membership group, and also just kind of get to know their backstories and how they've interacted with each other. I know one thing that I've gotten a lot of value out of is kind of resonating with what you're saying. It's one thing to make friends, it's also another thing to make friends that are kind of in the same boat that you are that like resonate with some of the same things that you're going through. And so, like I know for you, obviously, you know, achieving everything that you've achieved in life, there's a certain mindset that you have to adopt. And I feel like most people don't understand it until they've been in that, in that kind of in that kind of grind, that kind of environment. Because at the same point, it's easy, it's easy to say, hey, I'm discovering myself and all this, like just like straight out of college, but to actually have gone through the gauntlet of everything that you went through and then coming to the conclusion, like I've achieved it all, and this isn't quite exactly what I was hoping it was gonna be. Let me explore this instead. But you've at least kind of went through those options.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, and it's it's interesting because now I I how you said that you need to go through all that, you put all these things on to then start taking it out. Like it's a whole process of uh kind of a phoenix. You need to actually go to ashes and then come back again after you have everything.

SPEAKER_03

I had something a little bit similar that's only within the last couple of years I've been shitting off, which is I always believed that those like everyone else knew better than me, that everyone had this like secret that like if I just got into it, if I got enough opinions, I'd figure out the secret sauce. I've quickly found out 90% of people's opinions just aren't really worth it. Salt, and I've started to learn to trust my own judgment a little bit where I'm like, I think this is the right path, and I I'm I I feel like I've lived enough life where I feel like this this is the thing that's gonna make me happy, these are the things I think are worth my time, and I'm just gonna commit to that, and there you go.

SPEAKER_01

So there is a there is a saying that's it too that this is some of the advice that I always give uh people is uh you need to take the risk.

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Sure.

SPEAKER_01

You can take calculator risk, but don't it's not gonna be everything 100% safe. But there is uh there is a reason why there's sayings like fortune reward, the bold, I think so is the way of saying it or something like that. But it's like, yeah, you need to take risks. Sure. And working nine to five is amazing because it gives you a lifestyle, it gives you everything. But if uh you will plateau at some point, and if you're not taking risks, if you're not reinventing yourself, if you're not learning different skills, and sometimes skills uh skills don't mean to make money. Sure. Sometimes skills is like, okay, I always wanted to play the violin, let me go take some classes because you don't know by playing the violin, ideas are gonna come or businesses and everything.

SPEAKER_03

But we even just a sense of self-fulfillment, too. I mean, that's that's worth its weight in gold.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yeah, and it's like you need to start learning a skill. And yes, think about the business, think about what you want to do outside the nine to five, but learn other other creative skills that they don't they don't require you to make money on anything because again, it will merge at some point. That's an interesting point.

SPEAKER_03

I like that. Even if it doesn't, maybe it will, maybe it won't. Maybe maybe you'll find out, like, hey, I actually don't like painting, but that's okay. I'll go pick up and now I know what I don't like. Now I'll go try pottery instead.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, a lot of people when when you think about it, a lot of people you say, Oh, what do you do on your free time? Well, work out. I mean, work out is kind of like a standard thing. It's not like outside, like you wanna get you wanna get new hill. Yeah, it's a standard thing. So it's not something extraordinary that is gonna take you out of the way.

SPEAKER_03

That's like that personally, that's the only thing I do in my free time. No, but whenever people ask me, like, what do you do? I'm like, well, I work and I work out and I hang out with my wife. Like, yeah, I'm pretty boring.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know what to tell you about. But it's but but it's not about boring, it's about okay, what else do you do? Do you sit down to give you an example? Something simple. Do you sit down and do you have a corner in the house that you have a puzzle? Yeah, and half an hour a day you go and this that's your time. You put in a puzzle. It doesn't mean doing something crazy, but it means do something different, completely out of this, completely out of the norm of what people might think that you want to. Like people say, oh, I'm going skydiving. You go once. How about learn to skydive?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

How about taking some courses of skydiving? How what what doors that might open up? Not even skydiving, but on you.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. Um, I have um so one thing I'm doing, I'm actually preparing for a men's physique competition, knowing full well I'll never get my professional like bodybuilding career off the ground. But in my mind, it's just like something I just wanted to do. And that's like maybe, you know, you know, I probably won't get, you know, I probably won't be Arnold at any point, but I wonder, you know, what work on you again.

SPEAKER_01

Where is your where where where is your potential?

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Because you haven't even a start to to push it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you don't even know. Yeah, I know. Well, so kind of going to that, what are some things that you've done outside of just working and everything else that you find give yourself the most like satisfaction? So I or things that you tried and were like, no, that actually isn't satisfying at all. Why tried that?

SPEAKER_01

Um well, I do the workout thing. I like the workout uh or the boring workout people, yeah. I go, I go uh I do a lot of uh intentional walking in nature. I love walking in nature. Uh I get bored with workouts, so I get a little bit recreative too with them. Uh I'm not always lifting my change, however. I go by whatever I feel that it's not like I have a structure. Um like I say, I meditate a lot. I learn different skills on the right now. I'm taking a course of breath work to see how to breath to breathe better and how to uh regulate your nervous system depending on your on your breath. Um, what is the other thing? I'm learning too how to build apps. How do what? Build apps, okay, okay, online apps, applications. Yeah, okay. So I got into for some reason in December, I got into this crazy idea. Uh, okay, there is AI solutions out there for to build apps. What solutions can I bring to different businesses? Okay. And all the sudden, I'm like, okay, let me learn base 44, let me learn bubble bubble.ai that they help you to build applications without call coding.

SPEAKER_03

So it's so weird when I talk to people that get into coding, because in the back of my mind, it sounds like it's the most boring thing on the planet. But the people I know that do it, they love it. They love it, they love it. There's something about it that there's like solving problems they would in a way that they've never had to before.

SPEAKER_01

Like, but the beautiful thing is that you don't need to know any coding anymore with AI. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, that there is that it's insane. That's so that's that's never a better time to get in, right? That's another thing that I'm learning. Uh, again, I don't I'm not seeing it as oh, I'm gonna make money. It's just it's just um something that I wanted to learn, so I go there. Uh, there's many things that I want to learn though. I I in my in my queue, I I read a lot. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

Read? Yeah. What's your favorite book? Like what is my favorite? Well, I that's a broad question. What's been what's a book you've read recently that you really enjoyed?

SPEAKER_01

Uh Wisdom for the Idiots. Wisdom for the idiots. That's awesome. That's a great title. It's a Sufi, it's a Sufi book. Okay. Sufism is kind of like the mystic way of the Islam. Oh, interesting. Yeah, okay. Islam mysticism. Mysticism is Sufi. Uh Rumi, have you heard about Rumi? Yes. Yeah, a lot of people use the quote. He was a he was a Sufi. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01

I see what you're a Sufi. So that's yeah, wisdom for the idiot. It's a bunch of different uh stories. Okay. But mind-blowing. When you read the story, you're like, oh wow, there is a lot of wisdom in on it. So and it's called Wisdom for the Idiots, interesting because idiot has the same numerical number that they use in Sufism to say saint. Okay. So idiot and saint has the same numerical in the numerology. That's hilarious. And that's why they call it people who read, oh, wisdom of the idiots, but they understand.

SPEAKER_03

I like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, uh, that one is one uh the way of the superior man has been one that changed my life completely. Okay. The way of the superior man, uh understanding how men and female dynamics work. Okay. So oh, that helped my relationship a lot. Um, yeah, so I read a lot. Like, that's another thing. Prior to my 30s, you can uh like I wouldn't read any book. I haven't read a book way for 30. Something shifted. Don't ask me why, and I don't know how, but I am like I cannot stop reading. No.

SPEAKER_03

So and it's funny, I've actually recently kind of picked up on reading a little bit more. So I'm uh I'm currently a leader in my church right now where I'm over something called a life group. It's essentially Sunday school, but it's you know, they they call it a different term now. But um, I'm in charge of helping develop in some of the lesson plans, and so that's giving me an opportunity to kind of delve a little bit differently into like the historical narrative. So kind of going the nuances of like what's my specific denomination versus like Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, or to find out there's like Eastern Orthodox, there's Coptic Orthodox, there's the Serbian Orthodox. Um, funny, so the different aside, I found this interesting um the train of thought that's so the Roman Empire, because people a lot of cultures will be like, who are the true custodians of the Roman Empire? Rome obviously thinks it's them, but when uh Constantinople was made, that was supposedly the new Rome. The new Rome, yeah. And then when it was sacked, there's a large state of mind where the the Orthodox Christians there actually migrated to Moscow. So there's a lot of people that feel like the Russian Orthodox Church is the true like new Rome. It's so funny the amount of people that claim to to kind of hold the cultural sort of vestige of Rome from back in the day. And so anyway, I I love learning about history and I like learning about like how faith kind of interplayed with all those different things.

SPEAKER_01

And that and that's where I'm at in my in my journey. I'm learning about every single Hinduism, Tao, everything, and I'm connecting the dots because if God gave us the power to be able to be logical and connect dots, why not using it? Why not exploring different things? That doesn't mean that you want to change your faith, but you wanna learn.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you want to learn it's it's it's you want to learn how other people think if even if it's just to sharpen your own belief and your own thought process, I think it's worth because I think the the only wrong answer is you just believe what you believe because that's what your parents did. Yeah, it's like that's the only wrong answer, in my personal opinion. You should know why. I'm in I'm interested, and we could probably talk some other time about like what some of the connections you saw there, but um, what new hobbies are you gonna try to take up in the future? New hobbies in the future. Um you're just gonna stick on apps and coding using AI.

SPEAKER_01

No, I need I need I need I need to learn uh either piano or violin. That's something that is in my yeah, something that I want I want to do, I want to learn. Uh I want to start, I know I I take walks, but I want to start like for some reason, I want to start like um a military, what is the name with the backpacks uh oh rucking? Rugging that's something that it came it came strong to me the other day. I'm like, okay, I see you. I I have a best.

SPEAKER_03

It's unfortunate we live in Dallas because so one thing when you say Colorado, I'm like, I love the hiking conditions. I know. I so I love I love nature and the outdoors, and so like there's a little park next to my house, and that's about the most nature I'm gonna get in this area. Although if you go up north uh to Oklahoma to like the Toronto Falls area, that's I was gonna say if you want if you needed to get out into a nature environment, what's like your what's your best area?

SPEAKER_01

Natural reserve. I guess it's going east close to Arlington, south of Arlington. It's a natural reserve.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, Cedar Cedar Richards.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Cedar Rich. I just go the loop three miles or four miles on that. But it's between nature, so it's good.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, I've been I've been along that route. That's a pretty area. It's pretty easy to get in this area. If you ever um get a chance to go up to Turner Falls or Southern Oklahoma, that's nice. Or I've been meaning to go to uh not broken bow, like the city itself, but that area, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I went to Broken Bow, beautiful.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. I heard it's crowded though.

SPEAKER_01

It is yeah, no good uh the food is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it'll it's all it's all crowded, but if you can get in that area outside of the tourist attractions, it's beautiful. That's good, man. Yes. All right, man.

SPEAKER_01

No, but yeah, um you know something that uh when you were talking about religion and everything, and I know that we discussed this the other day about sacrifices. Yes, you remember that that that was brought up in the conversation that we had. Um I think so that that comes from that the historic side of it, the sacrifice that Jesus did for us. So that that comes from it. Um it put me to think more and more after our conversations that we had about the the the why that word, when you mentioned sacrifice, stuck to me, and I'm like, oh, wait a second, what do I why this word? And I continue thinking, thinking, and it's like in my opinion, I don't believe that you sacrifice family for money. Yes. In my in the again, this is my opinion. A lot of people might have a different and they might prove me wrong, but I believe that it's not a sacrifice, it's a decision, and you're deciding what is more important for you. And I think so. We hide ourselves under the sacrifice part because it's like oh, I get chills. Uh yeah, there I think so. The sacrif you don't sacrifice family for money because when you think about oh, I'm doing this for my family, is that what your family needs?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, what does your family need from you? More money or or more press. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And that's where where I'm like in my I was going through it the other day. I'm like, wait, wait, wait a second. And then it came to me. I'm like, oh no, we need to hold, we need to make it like no, I'm deciding to go to work because this is what I decide. Sure.

SPEAKER_03

So no, I I I I I really like that you said that because I do think it's like you make a decision of what's important to you, and that's usually reflected on what you're spending your hours doing. Yep. And so, like, so I just had my my baby boy, uh, he's turning nine months old here in a few, like in a week or so. Um, and I can't imagine. Like, I I do work hard, I do go to the gym and all this sort of stuff, but I try to maintain like, yeah, be there, hang out with him. I want him, because I I grew up without a dad. And so I want to make sure that he has the experience of of being raised and nurtured by a loving father to give him like a good masculine influence to kind of grab onto. Um, but at the same point, I want to be someone he looks up to as well. So I want to make sure I'm being well-rounded in those other, but like you said, it's a decision, right? What are you deciding to do? Because I know some other people that like they're like, I'm doing this for my family. I'm like, I if you asked your family what they would rather you have, they'd rather you be there on the weekends and on the evenings.

SPEAKER_01

I think and think about it. He you want him to look you up to you. Yes. On what sense? That you have a title, that you have a big career, that you were this person, or that you were always there for him. Yeah, yeah. Picking him up from school. Sure. You had a decent life, you have good money and everything, and may maybe you were a millionaire, but you were always there for him. So that's those are. Those are the things that again it stuck in my mind because I'm like, there's something here, and I'm I'm trying.

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm glad I'm glad I could inspire you to think more existentially on those things. That's just something I've been kind of dealing with because there's I have a lot of different projects I'm working on right now, but I'm doing my best right now. Like even right now with this podcast, you know. Um, it's it's a little bit of time away, but I'm gonna try and make it up, you know, over the weekend and whatnot. But um, no, I I I I do appreciate coming through your standpoint. Do you have a kid yet?

SPEAKER_01

No, not yet. And that's that's actually why I have been working so hard on myself. Yeah, okay. Because I want to be that person and uh that he look up to big time and that I show him a different way of living. Okay. Rather than the path that have society, you know, different people have taken everybody through. Sure. And I think so that's where I want to be that bridge for for my kids, for people around in the community. I want to be that bridge that they say, oh, he was able to do it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

How?

SPEAKER_03

Let me show you. Here's another question that this might make this a little bit interesting. If you were to go back to like your 21-year-old self that's gone right out of college and about to enter, you know, the workforce, what are some what are some pieces of advice that you would give to him now that you're older?

SPEAKER_01

Don't listen to everyone's advice. Yeah, okay. I wouldn't change anything. Like I I will take everything, going through even through Goldman Sachs and everything, but it is like don't listen to you still do everything, but you'd put a little less pressure on yourself. Less pressure on yourself. It's okay to mess up, it's okay to take the wrong path. It's it's okay. Just trust trust yourself.

SPEAKER_03

I think when you're young, you have this catastrophic look in your like view of your life that if you if you don't optimize everything, it's all just gonna fall apart.

SPEAKER_01

It's like yeah, and no, and not every every kid should go to college right away out of out of high school. Yeah, like not everyone. I mean, I I joke around and I well, no joke. I actually I wouldn't change anything right now at the moment, but I always tell people if I can go back, I will I will learn a trade. I'm so glad you said that.

SPEAKER_03

I know that that's where the money's at, and that's where I'm so because you said delay, you said delay college, mike, or just not go, period. Like, I know some people, they're plumbers, electricians, and they have like an electrician company, and they're just I mean, making money out of the wall. I mean, no, the trades are aslept. Actually, uh, my brother right now is trying to get into certain trade schools, they're competitive now. Yeah, because people are understanding, like, yeah, this is where like who knew that doing something with your hands could be so lucrative, but like, hey, when the electricity goes out in your house, right?

SPEAKER_01

Right, equity is buying a lot of uh trades, businesses, and rhythm because they know the value of it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it is. Well, especially here in like the North Dallas region, I mean, construction's going up like crazy. If you're in roofing, construction, electrician, plumbing, any of that stuff. I mean, you are even like like just like your pest control, like uh like maintenance services are just yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I've been I've been telling my even my cousins, my later cousins, it's like do you want a title or do you want money? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's that that's it. That's where where I tell them, like, if you want a title, yeah, go to college and everything, but you might you might hit a you might hit a ceiling of $150,000, maybe $200,000. Sure. But if you want money, you can make $500,000, $600,000 in a year picking up poo. Poop.

SPEAKER_03

So it's like I'll do I'll I'll shoot I'll shovel poop off the sidewalk for $300K, don't know where he's there. Or I've heard about some people they're like, you know, um welders out in the oil rigs. And I know that that's a hard life. Like I don't want to, you know, minimize that, but there's dudes making 200k working six months a year, and the other six months, they're just they're just living the life, man.

SPEAKER_01

I mean I had the opportunity when I was at Taylor in Wasvaro, I almost dropped college already because I had a customer who will walk in and I will see the checks every two weeks. And he told me, you can drive with me, we will go together. Um really well.

SPEAKER_03

I'd imagine if you're working on an oil rig, you want to be surrounded by people you like. Yep. So because I mean if you're if you're on that thing for you know six months, yeah, I can't even imagine. That's that's crazy. I always wondered, there was a part of me that wondered if I had not gone into the military, if I'd done something else instead, could I have like had a better life outcome? But at the same point, my experiences kind of gave me a certain view of the world that I don't know if I would take back. I don't know, it's difficult, it's difficult to say.

SPEAKER_01

No, yeah, the military the military is a great career if someone doesn't know what they want to do.

SPEAKER_03

I think it's the military is the military will tell you what you want to do. It's like you don't know what to do, don't worry, we'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_01

It will give you some guidance, it will put it, it will show you some structure type of thing for you to kind of organize your life and think a little bit different.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I do think that and it could give you a little um like worldview too. I think going to another the the create the biggest lesson I learned in my deployment was I remember we would drive through a lot of these villages and we'd have like some food and candy and water in the back or whatever. And I remember we went out to this like field and all these kids were playing soccer, and we pulled up, you know, and all our gear and everything else, hand out candy, and they were just having the time of their lives. Like these were the happiest kids I'd ever seen. And there's bullet holes everywhere. Like I could see a uh a um uh building like right off to my left that had just been demolished, like these people have just been through a war zone, and these kids had more joy in their hearts and on their faces than most of the kids I would see just in like normal American life. And so I was like, man, if these kids can find the joy in like these small little things, like I should have a better outlook on life.

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

And so and they give you some brotherhood too. I think so. That's important in nowadays, too. Like, yeah, man, you know, you you make those connections in there and you go through the same BS through together.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, you are, yeah, for better or for worse. It's always it's actually always funny because like I would go through and we would like be so mad at each other in the middle of it, and then as soon as it's done, we're like really good friends then too, because we went through it. But um, when you're all living in the same tent together, farting and you know, snoring, we're like, shut up.

SPEAKER_01

You build you build that trust, and that's something that it can be missing a little bit now nowadays for men.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah. Okay, maybe I don't agree with it quite as much, but yeah. But no, um, you know, that's really cool. I um it's always wondering, you know, we were talking about going to the trades, because I the military's kind kind of in a similar, more blue-collar work, but um, I really do think that's gonna be the future. I think there's gonna be a point where AI is gonna really help elevate more of the white-collar jobs to enable them to do more, but like that's like a section that like, unless the optimist robot's suddenly gonna be able to like wire your house for you. I think that's gonna be, I think the next 10 or 20 years, that's where a lot of the money's gonna be. Um yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_01

And a lot of people who are looking, what can they do to move on from the night to five? My best advice is to stop looking and just start working on yourself. The idea will come. Yep, it will come to you. Trust that it will come. And the opportunities on the case. Yeah, I think so. We sometimes we we're losing so much noise looking online. What is the best idea? Uh let me take this course, let me let me follow this. Uh, 10 10 10 best way to make a hundred thousand dollars a year. That that is a lot of noise, it's a lot, and you're not able to actually listen.

SPEAKER_03

Sure. I think that's my biggest problem right now is how do I siphon out the noise from the signal, essentially. And so um, I don't know, it's just it takes some self-reflection, which you've clearly have done, and uh seems like you have some joy in that now. So that's awesome. That's great. So, since we're kind of talking about family and everything else, um, I know like a big buzzword, particularly within like the standard, has been a legacy. That was kind of a theme on their um in their like meeting uh last last year. What kind of legacy do you want to leave behind for your wife, for your kids? Like, what do you want that what do you want people to remember you for moving forward?

SPEAKER_01

Um I will say that I was a pioneer. I think that's the best word, pioneer, that I make my own way. That at some point I walked the way the same road of everyone else, but then I decided to make my own my own one. Okay, with no fear, and I was able to get there. And I wanted to be known as a like I told you earlier, as a bridge for people. Okay. So people can see that, oh wait, he did it. My kids say when my kids, when my kids listen, oh yeah, going to college, doing, doing all this, the corporate world, they can go like, no, I know the story of my father. Yeah. He did it, but then he pivot, and that's why he had been teaching me entrepreneurship, how to go to business, how to be creative, and how there is there is money in creativity.

SPEAKER_03

Sure, oh for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, there's money in creativity. It's not anymore like just one way. There is a lot of money in creativity, and yeah, you might fall, but you get up, and that's how I want people to to see me. That's I think so. That's my biggest legacy. And I know legacy is a lot of work where when you ask people what is your legacy, people think about big, but I'm like, in my family, my my mystery. That's that's my legacy for sure. That's what I want to be remembered as in the pioneer. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

What is the most important lesson that you want your children? I know you kind of hit on it a little bit, but if there was like a single thing that you would want your children to do differently than what you did, or maybe even something the same as what you did, what how would you hope that they would kind of steal their lives?

SPEAKER_01

Um I will but this is something that I'm gonna teach them. Okay But I want them to, like we were talking, uh to live life more. I love life. No put a lot of no don't I don't I don't want to put that ton of super over expectations on top of them. I want them to be able to live life with some structure and show them uh show them the way and that they're being heard too. Like I think so kids nowadays are teaching the parents a lot of stuff. Okay, yeah. We need and we need to be open for that, and we need to we need to understand this is going through the spiritual way again. We need to understand that they're a soul, sure. That God sent send them, yeah, and they have a soul, and we need to listen to them too because there is something, there's wisdom in there. It's just that because we think that they're kids, there is always there is a lot of wisdom in there. So that's true, that's a good point. Yeah, so yeah, I want I want them to know that that they're being here, uh, that I listen to them and I want them to live life, basically.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, that's really, really great. Hey, look, I I really enjoy this conversation, like really enjoy this conversation. Um, I hope best things for the business, but more importantly, I hope for the best part. This sounds like you're in a really cool, like new chapter in your life. Um, frankly, do you how often do you go back to Puerto Rico?

SPEAKER_01

Uh I go once a year to visit my family. My parents uh come here sometimes. Okay. But now um we're traveling more to new places. New places more than yeah, we're discovering because every single vacation before it was Puerto Rico. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

May I suggest the western side of Mexico of Huatuco, down in like Chieves? Chieppes, okay. Yeah, yeah. The is a very unspoiled part of the Mexican country. So I mean, you got like your Cancun, Tulum, and all that. You got that. If you go on the on the western side, it is like because you have like the mountain ridges that meet up with the beaches, and it's just if I can recommend for your next place to go to. I'm gonna look it up. It's a nice place, yeah. No, man, I really appreciate this. Um, yeah, I hope we get to talk again uh soon. And yeah, appreciate you coming on board.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you very much for having me.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.