Murder & Anger — #007

Whenever you let your feelings lead you, your feelings can lead you into big trouble. But Godly men are led by faith, which should impact every area of our lives—including how we deal with those we are angry with. 

During this episode, we'll dive into how Jesus teaches us to go to great lengths to forgive others so our anger doesn't get the best of us.

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Well, hey, y'all. Welcome back to another episode of Miking Disciples, where we are doing this to help make men into disciples of Jesus. I'm Mike Willis. I'm the ministry development pastor here at High Point Church, and I'm so glad that you continue to join us. You know, every time we get together, we either have a guest on and we've had a couple of those and there's more planned for the future, or I do some teaching episodes where we're coming from each section of the Sermon on the Mount, and that's where we're going to be today. Uh, where we, you know, we learned in Matthew 5, it all starts with the disciples coming to Jesus and being taught by Jesus. And if there ever there's an explanation of what it means to follow Jesus, it's that right there. That you and I make a decision to follow Jesus and we come to him, and then we put ourselves in a situation where we are consistently being taught by him. And that's a little bit of what I want to share with you today. Uh, last week I drove my wife to the airport. She was flying home to Kentucky for a family wedding. And when I did that, I took her to Orlando. And uh, on my way home, after I dropped her off, I went by my old house where I started life there back in 1992, and we lived there for three years. And as I drove down that road, Coral Glen Loop, if you're wondering, it sent me also down another road, Memory Lane. And I thought about some friends of ours in my first marriage with Kelly when we lived there before she went home to be with the Lord. We had met another young couple named Matt and Audrey, and they were struggling like us. They had a couple of young kids and they needed some help in that regard. And so I had helped Matt get a second job where I worked um delivering pizzas at night. And, you know, my wife, uh Kelly and Audrey spent a lot of time together outside of that, and we spent time together as two couples and our families, and they were from our church. And uh at some point we moved to a different section of Orlando, and we were going to bed one night, and the news was getting ready to come on, and they had kind of uh like a teaser that said, Um, coming up, another murder in the uh section of Orlando that we had moved from. And we both look at each other and say, Wow, really glad we moved out of there. And we go to bed. The next morning I get a call from our pastor's wife that unfortunately and tragically, Audrey was the one that was murdered. And um I don't need to go into all the specifics, but over time the detectives and the authorities kind of determined that um Matt was the culprit. They arrested him, it went to trial, he was convicted and and has been serving life without parole since 1995, uh, leaving behind three kids, and um uh you know, his parents are devastated, and who knows who else is involved in that and and uh how it's affected them. But I I just have always wondered, um, I spent time with this guy. I rode in a car with this guy, I sat in church with this guy. Uh, we watched movies in our home together with this guy and this lady, and they babysat our kids one night and some of those things. But my question is this how does a man get so angry that he's willing to go down that road? And I really want to talk about that today. I want to help us with understanding anger a little bit from a biblical perspective. And I'm not gonna single out specific reasons that we get angry, you know, family problems, job problems, kid problems, medical problems, but more so I want to help us understand how we handle those problems, really how we handle any of our problems, and do that in a biblical manner. Because men today are handling these issues and these problems in a few number of ways. We either fight and and we're gonna um, you know, throw the gloves off and be ready to duke it out with anybody who's getting in our way, that we're gonna uh be there's flight, we're gonna run away or hide, or we're gonna freeze and we're gonna do nothing. And sometimes we may even fold, we may even just pack up and go home and leave the situation, or leave our families, or leave our jobs, and everything is in disarray because of that. But I really think that as disciples of Jesus, as men of God, we've got to be people that are gonna stay there and make a difference for him while we're there, wherever it is that he has sent us. And so as I told you, we continue in this teaching portion of making disciples, and we've been, you know, working our way through the Sermon on the Mount, and I think it's really one of the finest ways of discipleship that the Bible talks about. Doesn't mean that others aren't. It doesn't mean that you can't study through the book of Ephesians or Philippians or First Thessalonians or Colossians or Exodus or Joshua, any of those, all scripture is God breathing is useful. But for me, in my opinion, the Sermon on the Mount just gives us so many practical things that we can focus on. And we want to continue on that today. And so the last time we talked and looked at one of these teaching episodes, we were looking at having a righteousness that surpasses the Pharisees. In other words, we need to do better than them at living a life of faith. And as we look through the rest of Matthew 5, we're gonna see how each time, with each example, Jesus tells us what a surpassing righteousness life should look like. And he's gonna cover some pretty uh deep and specific areas. He's gonna talk about murder. That's what we're gonna get into today. Uh, he's gonna talk about adultery, he's gonna talk about divorce, he's going to talk about making an oath or taking out our revenge on people or loving our enemies. And in each of these cases, each of these times that he uses these, these six examples, he starts off by saying, You have heard that it was said, and then he'll quote the verse from the Old Testament, but I say to you, and then he'll give us the what he's expecting us to do, what the expectation is. And so I think it's important for us to understand that that each time he's gonna be using that, you have heard that it was said, but I say to you. What he's gonna do is start out by naming the Old Testament verse and the Old Testament concept, but then he's asking us to surpass that, to go beyond that, to go deeper than that, to think about more than just doing the letter of the law. And so we're gonna look at the first one today, and I'm gonna read this to you from Matthew 5, verses 21 through 26. And he says here, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, you shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I say that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, Rakah, is answerable to the court, and anyone who says, You fool, will be in danger of the fire of hell. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them, then come and offer your gift. Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny. So, Jesus is really giving that to us there, and he's going to do that throughout the rest of this sermon with all these examples. And so when he talks about um, you shall not murder, but I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister, he has something to say there. And when we're angry with our brother or sister, we are subject to judgment. And he's what really talking about the judgment between where where we're sent to court for someone to decide if we're right or if we're wrong. Um, and and it's out kind of out of our hands then at that point. Somebody is going to make a judgment, and that's what's going to happen there. Then he goes on and takes it a little further. And Jesus is a master at doing this. He's really great at just taking us from what we think the main thought is and really taking us deeper. Uh, one friend of mine says he double clicks on that. And so then he talks about um anyone who says to their brother or sister Raqqa is answerable to the court. That's a word we don't use in our society nowadays, but it really means empty-headed. Um, kind of gives you the impression we think of um uh of just I have no use for you anymore, no desire to be around you. You're not gonna contribute anything to me. And when we feel that way about someone, uh we are more than likely uh getting in a place where we're answerable to the court, which is a a little bit deeper of a court situation than the first one. Um, this is where we get sent to the Sanhedrin, he says. And and those are people back in Jesus' day that helped with the most important cases, the most prominent ones, and with the help of a Roman official, could even give a death sentence. So now you can see this is progressing here beyond I'm upset with you, and I'm gonna be turned over where somebody's gonna make a judgment whether I'm right or I'm wrong. Now it's progressing to where I don't have any use for this person anymore. And so I I'm gonna um it's gonna go even further where someone's making a judgment and it could even result in death. And then he goes on past that because he's not done yet. He's got one more. And anyone who says, You fool, will be in danger of the fire of hell. So that word fool really means to talk about someone that's godlish, someone that's foolish, um, and they can be in danger of going into fiery hell. And when Jesus said that, he used a word that talked about um the place outside the city where all the filth of the city and all the dead animals were put so that they could be cast out and burned. And it's symbolic and pointing to what the wicked are going to uh experience someday with their future destruction. So I'm just giving you that overview there of what he's talking about in these verses, uh, in these first few verses of Matthew 5, 21, 22. Um, basically, I'm I want you to understand that that each time there is this progression, I'm upset with you, I'm angry with you, now I have no use for you, and now I'm at the point where I think you're such a fool that I just want you to be uh away and and and never return again. And I think that there's just uh an implication there for you and I to think about when we get upset with other people, and I'm gonna talk about this in a few minutes. Um how I'm gonna return to my original question here. How does a man get so angry at someone else that he is willing to go down that road? And I'm gonna let that sink in for a minute because you probably have either made someone that angry or you've been that angry at someone where you're just done with them. You have no desire to try to work through it. Um, you don't care if you ever speak to them again or talk to them again or see them again. And some people, you could care less whether they live or die, if I'm being honest. So all of this is progressing and it's getting us to the place when we do that, if if we don't get this in check, if we don't do something about our anger, something about our frustration, then we could easily get to that next place where murder is committed. And you say, well, man, that's Mike, that's a that's a little much. I'm never gonna kill someone. Um, but the moment you you don't think of someone as being someone of value and you don't try to work out a conflict with them, you can very easily get to that point. If you had the opportunity, you could ask my friend Matt, and he might say the same thing. So I want us to just think about that. How do we get so angry? And what do we do about that anger when we get that angry? Here's a better question, though. Instead of thinking about how do we get so angry that we're willing to go down that road, what are some things instead that you and I as men can do to not go down that road? Well, I'm glad you asked that. Jesus has a few things to say there. He's not just going to tell us what we're doing wrong, he's also going to tell us what we should do in order to do right. So he goes on to talk about and he kind of gives a couple of examples about what they can do here. He says, Therefore, if you're offering your gift at the altar and remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First, go and be reconciled, then come and offer your gift. And I I work uh with celebrate recovery here at our church, and every Sunday night when we get together for this and we meet every Sunday night of the year, we have um someone recite the 12 steps at the beginning of the night. And when we do, there's a verse that coincides with that. And this verse, uh, if any one of you remembers that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar and then go and be reconciled to your brother. What that's saying and why it's so important with people in recovery and with all of us is when someone who is a brother, someone that previously meant a lot to us, and now there's conflict, now there's anger, now there's uh the danger of calling them rock out or calling them and feeling like they're a fool. Now we get to this place where we've got to do something about that, where we're frustrated with them, they wronged us, or they did something and we wronged them, or maybe we're wronging each other so much, and nobody can even remember what it is that we did to wrong each other in the first place to go down this road. So Jesus is saying, look, first go and be reconciled. Now back then, I want you to understand that what you bring to God is important, but so is what you do for God. And here Jesus is saying, what I want you to do for me is to be willing to go and be reconciled with them. So back then they would have to travel a long way to bring their offerings to the temple. And they would do that a couple of years, a couple of times a year, excuse me. And by the by the idea is that if I'm gonna travel a long way and I'm giving my offering there at the temple, so but then I remember, wait, there's something about my relationship with whoever it is that is not where it should be. He's saying, I want you to understand that reconciling with your brother is so important that you're gonna leave your gift there, and then you're gonna go work it out with them, and then you can come back and give your gift. Because it's more important for your relationships to be right than for you to give the right amount in an offering. Doesn't mean that the offering's bad, that giving an offering is bad. It means that we've got to work it out with people that we love, people that are our brothers and sisters. And so, um, you know, over the years, we as the church have gotten really good at coming up with reasons and uh to not do that. But Jesus is pretty clear here. If you're offering your gift at the altar and remember your brother has something against you, first go and be reconciled, then come and offer your gift. Uh, I think that's pretty specific there. Um, so offering your gift was a big deal, but offering yourself to be reconciled with your brother is an even bigger one. And so that's the first example that he gives. And then he goes on because he's gonna go even deeper then. He's gonna say, settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. So if this conflict that you have with someone else has gotten to the point where they're going to one of these courts to decide right and wrong, you should, because of the fact that you have a relationship with them, because they are your brother, because you're trying to live a surpassing righteousness kind of life, you should be trying to resolve this and settle this with your adversary as quickly as possible. So not only are you leaving your gift there, not only are you going and reconciling, but you're trying to do this as quickly as possible. And oh, by the way, you need to do that as face-to-face if that's at all possible. So find a way to get in front of that person. Don't put off settling this when you can make it right with your brother at some point. You know, when I was growing up, my brother and I, he's six years younger than me. And if we were fighting, and because we were brothers, we did, um, there were times when my mom would give us what I considered as a teenage young man the ultimate punishment. She would make me sit in the corner with my brother and hold hands for five minutes. And if we started arguing or I protested, that clock started over. And it always reminded me of that. And my brother and I have a really good relationship now, and I'm thankful for him. And I think he would say the same for me if he was here. And but she used to make us do that. And the reason is uh it was so important for us to work out our differences with each other. And I just think in our world, we ought to be more focused on doing that. We ought to make sure that we're spending time working through our issues with other people, and we ought to do that as quickly as we possibly can. And Jesus is saying, look, if you do that while you're on the way, um, that's great. And if you don't, he may hand you over to the judge, and what punishment or what you had to work through as far as restitution in order to make it right might be increased if a judge pronounces a sentence on that. And and so it's just all of these things. You might be uh handed over to the judge, and he may hand you over to the officer to throw you in jail, and you won't get out until every bit of that sentence has been served and every financial um penny has been paid back. And so the whole point is don't wait to take care of conflict that you have with other people. Make sure that you do this, settle matters quickly with them as quickly as you possibly can. Uh, years ago, I was at a uh pastor's conference, and our speaker was a guy named Jim Van Ipren, who runs a ministry called Metanoia Ministries. And Jim and his staff, they work with churches, and those churches that they work with are full of people, and every church he works with has reached out to him for help, usually because of some type of conflict that they have. Um, and it stunted the growth, and it's hurt people's lives, and people have left the church, and the church isn't growing, and all of these things. And in his book, Making Peace, he wrote these words conflict is the result of unwarranted and unfulfilled desire. It is unwarranted because the desire is for personal pleasure and self-promotion. It is unfulfilled because our motive, like our desire, is self-seeking. So when we have conflict with other people, it's the result of our desires getting out of control in our life. Uh we start wanting what we want and when we can whenever we can have it. And we're promoting the things that are going to make us feel better and make us look better and give us the pleasure that we want. And it's self-seeking, and it's not thinking about the person on the other side of the conflict. And he goes on to say, he gives us these five biblical truths about conflict, and I want to share them with you. Maybe you've got some way to take notes in your phone while you're listening to this, or you can grab a piece of paper or put it in a journal, because I think at some point, as a believer in Christ, as a disciple of Jesus, you're going to be in a situation like this where you're going to be in conflict with someone at some point in life. And when you are, not if you are, but when you are, I want you to understand this. So here's the first one five biblical truths about conflict. This is from Jim Van Eypron. He says, number one, conflict is a broken relationship. When you have a conflict with someone else, there is a break in that relationship. It's not as strong and not as vital and not as um um healthy as it should be or as it used to be. Something has happened to cause a break in that. One of you or both of you has disconnected that connect connection that you had. There's a wall built up, um, someone's mad, someone's hurt, someone's frustrated, tears may be flowing, um, distance may be uh in place, it may have divided you, it may have brought about divorce, whatever it is, conflict is a broken relationship. Here's the second one. Conflict is a spiritual collision. It's it's two people who are involved in a in this situation who are trying to be disciples of Jesus, but there has been this collision and this explosion between the two of you. And so things are not what they used to be between the two of you. We see this with married couples. We see this with people that used to be friends that no longer are family members, that won't speak to each other, let alone spend a holiday together. Uh, we see this where people used to serve together at church, and now they sit on opposite sides of the building or go to different services. There is a spiritual collision. Something has happened to break the relationship from what it used to be. And something has to happen to make it come back to whatever it needs to be. Now, when you repair that, when you work through that, um, it doesn't necessarily mean that you always forgive them and go back to the way things were. There might need to be healthy boundaries that are put in place. You might need to keep your distance from them, but you're going to forfeit the thought or the possibility of harming them. Them or wishing harm came to them. You're going to forgive them. You're going to settle this matter as quickly as you possibly can in the way that Jesus tells you to. Here's the third one. Conflict is inevitable. That's a good one because where two or three are gathered, there's conflict waiting to happen. That's from a quote from Ken Sand. And so anytime that we're around other people, those other people are there's an opportunity for them or us to do something that's going to hurt the other one. You've experienced this anytime you've been around someone else. It could be a parent at a ball game, uh, it could be someone in the grocery store or in line at the gas station or somebody that you're frustrated with in an airport. I just traveled through an airport this weekend and uh I saw that happen. You know, some of those situations just are uh birthing areas for conflict. It's inevitable because we're around other people and we just cannot control how other people respond. But we can control how we respond when we think about how Jesus wants us to respond, and then we do that obediently. Here's something else conflict is sometimes necessary. Not all conflict is bad, not all uh arguments are bad, not all discussions or disagreements are bad if they bring you closer to the person once you've resolved that conflict. Uh and so, you know, we need to think about that. Sometimes a differing opinion can make us step back and go, wait a minute, I kind of see things from your perspective, and now it helps me understand it a little better. And it can actually help us grow closer and grow deeper in our faith and in our relationships with other people. Here's the last one conflict is an opportunity. I don't know if you've ever thought about it from that perspective, but anytime you have a conflict with someone else, you also have an opportunity to not only hear their side and be empathetic and see it from their perspective, but you can also, um, when you have that opportunity, you have the chance to work through that conflict with them. You have the chance to sit down and really understand their side of it and from their angle. And it's going to help you learn about who they are and how they handle things and about how you might need to handle things. And so conflict is an opportunity as well. Uh, when we think about it that way, when we start examining what the Bible says about conflict and how we can work things out with people and how we should work things out with people, then that starts to make us think about the fact that everything is not just about what we want. The world does not revolve around you or I. It revolves around what God says for it to revolve around. And we're all a part of this, and we have to make each other better. And we do that when we work through these conflicts together. So, men, what can you do? What should you do to resolve conflict when you have it? And again, I say when, not if. You are going to have conflict with other people. And if you're going to walk out your faith, there are going to be some ways that you've got to work out your conflicts with others. So here's some practical tools for you as a man. Get some men around you who will tell you the truth. Get in what we call a squad. I've been in one of these groups for uh since 2008, so going on 18 years. And these guys, Brian and Scott, I've talked about them. Scott was just a guest on here not too long ago. Uh, they have talked with me and worked with me and poured into me and challenged me uh in ways that I never would have thought possible. They listen to me. They never um tell me that I my thoughts are stupid, but they will then speak truth into me and let me know when I have stepped out of line, when I need to make an apology, when I need to forgive someone who's made an apology, when I'm being ridiculous and um too sensitive, some of those things. These guys know everything about me, and they know that I know everything about them. And that's part of the beauty of that relationship and that time that we have together. They're pushing me and they're sharpening me and they're helping me become a better man and a better follower of Jesus. Because of that, I need them and they need me. And anytime there's a conflict, we're willing to work through that. And they're they are willing to help me work through the conflicts in my life. And so get some men around you. Find a way to get into a group like that. We're looking here at High Point Church to start more men's groups. I just met with our men's team last night, and we're really focusing on what we can do there? How can we practically help men get in smaller groups of people that they'll meet with, whether that's at the basketball court, at the gym, uh, whether that's in someone's living room, like the group that I led this morning, or wherever whatever the case may be. It could be on in somebody's back porch where they're smoking ribs. Um, sounds like a group that I would want to be a part of, by the way. And so you find a group. And if you can't find a group, get some men together and say, hey, let's start a group. Let's go talk to Pastor Mike about this. Let's let's get some help finding other men. I'll help you do that because chances are I know of some other men over here who are looking for a man like you, and you are a man who's looking for men like them. And you can meet together and you can talk together and you can uh challenge each other and you can support each other and you can pray for each other, you can admonish one each other, uh, you can um spur one another on towards love and good deeds. All the things that the Bible talks about, those are steps that we can take when we get some men around us in a squad who will tell us the truth. Here's another one. Get alone in prayer. Ask God to help you examine your heart and motives, and the Holy Spirit will start pointing out things to you. He'll point out when you said things that you shouldn't have said, when you um uh didn't say what you should have said, when you said it in a way that wasn't pleasing to him, when you said it kind of in a harsh tone and it offended someone, and how you need to go and make that right. He's very good at pointing those things out to us. That's how he strengthens us and deepens our faith. So get alone in prayer and start asking God, if I'm handling this situation right, what is it you want me to do? How do you want me to respond to this person who's upset me? Um, how can I make things right with the person I've wronged? These are all things that you can ask him for, and he'll answer you because he wants to do that and be that involved in your life. Here's another one. Get in the word. You've got to open the word of God, you've got to spend some time in there thinking about and praying about and reading through what the word of God says. The Bible says that all scripture is God breathed and is useful for the correcting and teaching and rebuking and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. That's in 2 Timothy 3. And so as a result of that, you got to spend some time in this word of God. These words are inspired, they're without error. Everything he says in here is from him. It all is still living, it's active, it speaks to you. When you get it open and you start asking God, how am I supposed to live out my faith? He's gonna start showing you verses. Ask him to point things out to you, ask him to take those scales from your eyes, ask him to illuminate the words on the page that were written thousands of years ago, but are still relevant and still helpful today. And find a way to, you know, do a reading plan maybe or a devotional book uh that's geared towards men that's gonna help you become the type of man that he wants you to be. And then here's the other get to these things quickly, as soon as you can. When you have a conflict with someone, when you are angry with someone, or you have uh caused someone to be angry, get with them as quickly as you possibly can. Ephesians 4 tells us to don't let the sun go down on our anger. So if that's at all possible to resolve that before the end of the night, do it. If you have to wait until the next day for some reason, or you're praying specifically about what to share, that's fine to do that. But get to it as quickly as possible. Settle these matters with your adversary quickly. Go to them, be reconciled to them. And when you do that, it's very likely that you're never gonna get to the place where your anger turns to calling someone Raqqa or turns to calling someone a fool, or better yet, turns to where you're murdering someone. And I just wanted to challenge you with these things today to think about uh some things that that you can and should be doing as a man. I need this myself just as much as you need it. Um, you know, there are times when I say things that upset my wife and my children, or my coworkers, or the person in the line at the store, or whoever it is. And when I do that, I've got to do some things uh to resolve that, to make that right with them, to make peace with them, as Van Ipren says. And I've got to work through that conflict with them. And so that means that that I've got to do whatever it is that I can to make things right. If I've done something wrong, then I apologize to them. And I say it to that person, not to this friend over here, and or if they've upset me, I don't talk with six other people about it and get them to help me gang up on that person. I'm going to work it out with that person as quickly as I possibly can. And you'll be amazed, guys, at how just some simple, regular, consistent communication can help through things. My neighbor is putting in a swimming pool right now. They just started work on it today. So I wake up this morning and I hear the trucks and the banging and all those things. And he had prepared me for this and actually said, you know, any damage that's done to your property, I'll pay for it. Um, you know, and he put that in writing last night and brought it over to the house. And so I reached out to him and said, Hey, I got your letter. Thanks so much for that. Um, you know, really excited for you guys. You're gonna enjoy the pool and and all these things. But it's just we're establishing communication here. We exchange phone numbers, I know where he lives, he knows where I live. I mean, we're right next door to each other, and we like him, you know, and and I think that they like us, and and so we want that to continue, right? So that open line of communication is what helps with that. Um, I trust this guy. And when he says, hey, I'll take care of any damage, I believe that. And if he doesn't, then we're gonna come back and talk about it because that's a conflict that's worth resolving. And if you're gonna live a life that Jesus wants you to live, then you've got to resolve conflict with other people. You have to do that in your family life, with you and your wife, with you and your kids, with you and your parents, uh, whatever that is. And again, you've got to put boundaries in place if that's necessary. You have to work things out with people. When you work with them, when you shop next to them, when you're on the road with them, um, when they're wanting to get over into your lane or they're wanting to cut in line and get their suitcase out of the overhead bin and get out of the plane before the people 18 rows ahead of them. You know those people. And so I I just want you to be thinking about these things. How can we resolve conflict so that it doesn't get to anger, so that it doesn't get to foolishness, and certainly so that it doesn't get to murder, because we came to be people that that Jesus uses to shine a light in a dark world. And so we've got to be living a life that points people to him in order to do that. Well, I hope that that this has helped you. I hope that something I've said has really challenged you to think about who it is that you get angry at or what you do to anger other people and how you handle those situations. Um, when you think about these things ahead of time, it might help you not go down that road uh as quickly or as often. And so that's kind of what I've hoped to accomplish here today. I would love to hear from you if you've got comments or questions, or if you think, ma'am, what you said is just wrong, uh, then let's talk about it because we've got a conflict there and we've got to work it out. But I really do want to hear from you if you have any questions or comments or um topics that you want me to cover on future episodes, uh anything like that, reach out to me. You can find that link in the bio for the show. But um hope you're enjoying it. I hope you're enjoying the new logo that was designed. Uh thanks to Nick Stoller and Ben Hilligas for that. I love it. I think it's me, and I appreciate the fact that they did that. And I just hope that you'll like this. Um, and I hope that you'll share it with other people and tell more people about Miking Disciples, and they'll keep listening for future episodes. Well, that's all the time I'm going to spend with you today. Thanks for joining me, and I hope you'll keep coming back to listen and learn and let God make into a disciple of Jesus like me. Thanks for joining us today for this latest episode of Miking Disciples. If you have any comments or questions, I would love to get for you to go to the comments or questions link that's found in the description of the episode. And I really would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for joining us today. We'll talk to you later.