5. The Fog Is Real

Is this thing on?

We’re so sorry… we left you for four weeks. That was not the plan, but life has very much been lifing. We promise this is the last time we disappear like that (no, really).

This is actually a very fun episode. In this one, we have an open and honest conversation about sex and how much thought we’re actually putting into the people we’re sleeping with (hypothetically, of course).

We also play a fun game where we try to describe each other’s jobs (with varying degrees of success) and share the things we’ve been loving recently.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Okay, but where where does this logic stem from? Like where where is this coming from? Like, you you believe that your future husband supports a team that you self-proclaimed just said is only good for second best. Do I want to move to Lagos in October? Absolutely. You know? Is it going to happen this October? It might not. You know, I said October. I did not say October 2026, did I? Oh my days. And and guys, the thing about me is that like I am the queen of self-sabotage. Because like I actually don't, I didn't have the balls at the time to like carry my leg away from that situation. So instead, what did I go and do? I went to cheat on him. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, friends. Hi, family. I'm Winola. I'm Ayawande, your favorite cousin. Navigating this thing called life. And welcome to our thing called life. Enjoy. See ya. Hello. Hi. Testing, testing one, two, three. Just making sure. Just making sure that you know these microphones still work. I like. I've been not doing your testing. It's been a hot minute. Oh yeah. So it's been it's been a long time. Guys have been dragging also. Yeah. I have gotten, and I kid you not, a message like every week, like every Friday for the last like four Fridays. Like, where is the podcast? Where is the podcast? Where is the podcast? Um, Bankia even told me today, she was like, I really miss you guys' voice. Like, when is it coming back? I was like, Do not rush greatness. Don't rush greatness, guys. We're so sorry. We're so sorry. So many things have been happening. This sounds familiar. I actually don't even want to dwell on the fact that we've not been away because this is not gonna happen again. Like, we've just not been here. It's fine. It's whatever, guys. Yeah, it's fine, but like, don't like it's not it's not a thing that's gonna keep happening. Yeah, it's just there's just a little blip. Is it is that the word blip or blimp? Blimp? I have never heard of the word blimp. Blimp. Just a little blip in the road. Yeah, I'm sure it's not blimp, just a little blimp in the road. Well, I don't know the Oxford English Dictionary, so it could be blimp. But I I and my um my people say blip. It's a little blip. Anyway, yeah, it's normal. I think it's okay because like we're coming back and we're back. Um sorry, no we're coming back, we're actually back. So, like, yeah, there's gonna be some moments where you won't hear from us for like two weeks. Be calming down. It's okay. We'll come back. I said, How are you? and you just ignored me. Well, you know, there's a bit of a I didn't hear you. Oh. Hi, how are you? How is life? Um, life is decent. I don't even know where to start. Like so much has happened between now and the last time that we were recording this podcast. Um, but life has been really good. Today was not a good day, and today is not a good day for Arsenal fans worldwide because it's over for us, it's basically over. We're not collecting anything. Yeah, so us, including me as an Arsenal supporter, a fake one, but still right now, this season I'm invested, very invested, and it's over for us. Yeah, but you guys are not winning the league, right? We were from my understanding, but we're not going to anymore, it's not possible. Yeah, the they the the my read on Arsenal as someone who's like a fake fan is that they just don't have the winning spirits. Like they're not a champion team. No, it's just facts. Like they don't have the winning spirits, they're not champions, they don't act like champions, they behave like champions. They're second, they're only good enough for second best at that. That's awesome for you. This is an insane thing to say. It's not insane, it's just the truth. Like, someone was even asking me before this game that we just watched, and which, by the way, for those listening to this next week, it was the Man City Arsenal game, which was essentially the deciding game for the league. Someone's asking me, like, do you think Arsenal's going to win? I'm like, Arsenal's not going to win. Like, why do you think Arsenal is going to win this game? They are not going to win this game. What like if you are even someone that just follows stats, and maybe someone will say, like, football is all about like miracles and chances. Like, you can't just watch the stats too much. Is it? This freaking team has lost so many games in the past couple of weeks. Why do you think that they are going to go to their biggest game yet and win? What makes you think that you're it's like it's so funny to me. And someone's just like the thing with Arsenal is like the it's the hope that kills. And genuinely, that is what it is. Like, fans will literally be running out here thinking, guys, no, we gotta rally rally, gotta rally. And again, it must be so hard for someone who has actually been following this team for so long, 22 years since you won a trophy. It must be so difficult. And me for even fake, as a fake fan, haven't won a trophy? Like, as a fake fan, just being invested in this season is hard. So talk less of the person that's now been following and going to games, paying everything, it's like ah good. But I I just put it up to you that I will always be an Arsenal fan, but genuinely, until something dynamic or fundamentally fundamental changes in this team, they are only good for second best, and that's facts. Then you are living in delusional, in a delusion, and you are in La La Land, and you need to wake up. Whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

No, genuinely, like inspired.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

It's funny because it's like that person, Arsenal is like that person that's like really believes that they are great, like they really believe that they can be the best, they really believe, and it's cool, you have to believe that you're the best, but genuinely, you don't set yourself up to be well to be the best, and that's why. Anyway, I'm not even trying to do an Arsenal round, I just think today is a very sad day. Um, yeah for Arsenal fans worldwide. Uh yeah, I don't even know if you even watch football, but anyway. Of course not. Yeah, I don't technically I watch the World Cup. Like, I watch the World Cup and I listen to people talk to me about football, but I don't give a toss. The thing is, I'm such a fake fan, like it depends who I'm dating at the time. Like, that's actually how invested I am into sports. Real. I support whoever my MCM supports. That is me to a T. Like I don't give a toss. Do you know I have this really stupid? I have this really stupid logic, and it's so stupid that like I genuinely believe that my future husband is an Amazon fan. So like when I meet someone and they tell me that they like support Manu, support like Man City or Chelsea, in my brain I'm like, oh yeah, they're like, it can't work. Like, oh, this is not gonna work. Okay, but where is where does this logic stem from? Like, where where is this coming from? Like, you you believe that your future husband supports a team that you self-proclaimed just said is only good for second best. Where is this coming from? I just need to understand because I want to raise Arsenal babies, like I want to have a family. Ayawande, please. I don't want to have a family you are dreaming. No, it is. I didn't I preface this by saying this is so stupid. Like it's just because it is so dumb, but when I tell you it helps me like cut down the you know the dating pool, like when I was in a dating pool and someone would be like, Oh yeah, I'm an M and Chelsea fan.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

Like, oh okay, we can have fun, but it's not quite.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

I will say, I will say, on this same like stupid vein, if someone says to me that they support like I don't know, like the Tottenham Hot Spurs or like Everton, immediately I'm like, oh that's an ick.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Or like you support West Ham. Are you joking?

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Like, like you can say that with your chest. My favorite team team, Aston Villa.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Get out! Like, be for real. Be for real.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

I feel the same way about like if you say that, oh yeah, my favorite team is like Chelsea. I'm sorry, I just can't take you seriously. I'm so sorry. I'm this group. Absolutely nothing about football. I know nothing about football. Chelsea actually, I'm not interested. No, no, no. I but like I feel like if you say to me that, oh yeah, I support like United City Arsenal, I'm like, okay, fair. Like, you know, but if you're talking to me, yeah, my favorite team needs United, F off, bro. Who are you talking to here? I also don't think you're gonna find a Nigerian that would support a team that's not in the top five. It's not possible. Nigerians don't do that, yeah. This is a massive generalization, but genuinely, like they pick the team they want to support, and so they're not gonna pick a team that is shit, you know. Um, one last stupid stupid um hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, relax, yeah. That's home. Yeah, that's home. Do you understand? Um, one last stupid thought. I also always felt like I would get the ache, or like I always got the ache. Not that I always got the ache, it's actually even more insane than that. I first never dated anyone that doesn't like watch sports or isn't like actively into sports. Um because there's something around it that I really like. Like I love the community, the community, I love the like energy that comes on. So like when I need someone in and they're like, oh my god, no, I don't really watch like I don't really watch Premier League or I don't really watch football. Like maybe they're into music or something. I'm just like, yeah, it's never gonna go far. I'm sorry. It's not going far. Because there's something, and I don't know what that something is, there's something missing inside of you. I'm I'm so sorry. There's something, I don't know what it is, because to follow it through a season of the Premier League, to follow NFL, to follow back, like to be invested like that is crazy. Like, I don't know what it is. Like, I feel like yeah, it inspires a level of loyalty. And I feel like if you are some or not, if you're a guy that's like not really into it, guys, again, this is a stupid thought, so I'm just joking around here. Yes. I just feel like it can't click for me, I am. It just can't. So, like when I now want to go and chill and do my own thing. And another reason, sorry, is because it gives you, it gives them a distraction. Like when you want to go and play and do your own thing and have fun, right? And you now have a guy that doesn't watch, does not watch football, does not watch any sports, you know, asking, yeah, let's be hanging out all the time. It's like, guy, it's Sunday. Should you not have something else to be doing with your life? I can't lie. There is really something nice about knowing that like there's gonna be like a couple hours where like you're just focused on something else, so I can actually be free. Like, oh, leave me alone! Leave me alone. Oh, let's just be on the phone. No, let's not. Like I'm watching. Also, I I realize how like deeply like anti-feminist this whole conversation is, but whatever. Is it oh no, but you know what? I I've never I've never thought about it in this way, but genuinely, there is actually something very comforting knowing that like there's gonna be a couple hours each week where like you're unreachable, yeah. And it just means that I get like some time back, like it just means that like I can use those couple hours to just free my mind talking to you, yes, and obviously, guys, we're all joking here before some people take this really personally, it's just a joke, it's just a joke, or maybe it's not, I don't know. I mean it's a joke for some, but I've never actually thought about it in that way. Yeah, no, no, I'm saying it's a joke for some.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Well, yeah, that's that's my little rant.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

How are you? How has your own week been? I'm I'm I'm good. My week my week has been good, but since we're on the topic of just like stupid thoughts, I actually have a really stupid thought that I want to ask you.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:09

Um, and this stems from a conversation I was having earlier today with um with Banker, and I was just thinking about like obviously we on this podcast are purely virgins, obviously. Um, don't know anything about sex, never I don't know anything about it. Okay. But my should we know things about it in a hypothetical universe, right? I have a question about like, if you were currently having sex, are you thinking about the fact that like this person that I'm sleeping with like could potentially be my baby's father? Like, should I get pregnant? Am I okay with this person being a father to my child? Because obviously, one, some people are not on like birth control, some people are relying on you know other forms of contraception, con contraception, which isn't really like 100% effective, which they taught us in biology, right? The only way to actually not get pregnant is abstinence, you know? Um, so I'm just wondering for the girlies out there who are having sex, obviously not for us on this podcast, but for the girlies who are sick, are you are you thinking about the fact that like there is a possibility, like there is a possibility that you could get pregnant for this person you're sleeping with. And are you okay with that? Does do those thoughts come into your mind when you're choosing who you're gonna sleep with? Or you are you just thinking like, oh, I just oh it doesn't really matter? Because, and the reason I asked this is because if I get pregnant tomorrow, obviously in a hypothetical world, obviously, but should I get pregnant tomorrow? I'm actually gonna keep the child. So the question now is, well, okay, so will I be okay with the person that I'm sleeping with to then be my baby's father? Do people think about these things? And I think when I was younger, I don't think none of these things matter to me, it doesn't matter, but I just feel like I don't know, maybe I'm getting older and I'm just like, I don't know, I'm 30, and so like I I don't see why I wouldn't want to keep the child. But then if you're sleeping with a bum, obviously not a bum, but like if you're sleeping with someone that you're unsure about, I don't know, that's kind of where the thought ends. Um because I'm just I'm so curious about that. Like, are we okay with these things? Obviously, like this is this also only applies to the girlies who intend to keep the child. Um you know, there's many options for everybody. Um the floor is yours.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

Okay, I was just keeping quiet because obviously you guys know that I live in a third world country, so the internet is not necessarily the best. Um, and I have to wait for another to finish our thoughts before I can properly reply.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Um, so as somebody who has had lots of conversations with friends who are active, um tend to hear from them regularly about their activities. As you know, you know, women, we're very open amongst ourselves about like things that you know others are doing. So, from the perspective of the friends that are active, um I actually don't think people think about this thing a lot. I don't think I really don't think it crosses their minds a lot. I think we all paid attention um in PSHE, as you mentioned, in sexual ed or whatever. But I think like okay, let me break it into two halves. I feel like when you're younger and you're active, what I've been seeing or what I've heard is that like, you know, again, it's just really the excitement, you know, the excitement of it all, like oh wow, passion, and you know, you're exploring and experiencing new things, and right, you get carried away. You get carried away. Um, and you might make mistakes, like, you know, you wouldn't be adequately prepared and stuff, you might not have protection and whatever, whatever. So, like that I can actually fault to you, and not fault you, I can I can understand not understand, but I can kind of like give you grace when you're younger and stuff, and it's all relatively new. However, the second half is the older people. Now at this point, you know better. At this point, not like you know better, but like there's more at stake if one can't see. Um and like you know, you don't necessarily have to take the path of losing the child or choosing to like not keep the child and stuff because you're like you're old enough, right? You can make sense to keep a child, like no one's gonna be looking at you like, whoa, what's a 30-year-old woman, unmarried woman doing with a child? Like, okay, like we know people do things. Yeah, um, I think it gets to a certain age and where like you now need to start taking the right precautions, right? Because this is no longer like them being carried away, right? Now this is like okay, I'm planning my life, I'm preparing my life. So, like, if you are older, and let me say I'm gonna say like maybe 25 upwards, maybe 26 upwards, and you're active, right? And you're not on some sort of contraceptive or some sort of birth control, I don't understand what you're doing, like and I'm talking about the people that I know that are active, you know, you are in a relationship where you're doing this, and like you know, you are um you know sleeping around, not sleeping around, but like sleeping with multiple people, blah blah blah blah. Right? You want to do that. You can't tell me that you have not gone to your doctor to have some sort of conversation. And if you haven't, why why? Like, are you for me? It feels it seems as if maybe, okay, maybe they're content with just using condoms for the you know rest of their relationship or whatever, um, they trust enough in it that it will do a good enough enough job. Um, or maybe they're happy with the consequences, like whatever happens, yeah, it is what it is. Or maybe they are um one of those people that are just like, look, if that happens, like from jump, I'm not, and I've had conversations with people that are like from jump, the moment they find out it's done, like it's not, yeah, there is no conversation, they're not talking to anybody, and blah blah blah de blah. So you've kind of made peace with that decision. I don't think people think about who the father of the child is gonna be, or like what they do. It does not cross these people's minds at all, at all. Like, you're just enjoying yourself, having fun, letting yourself let go and this and having a good old time, especially when you're young. Like, come on, nobody's thinking about what if, what are the chances, like what is this person gonna, you know, bring into my child's like DNA and genetics and blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Mm-mm-mm-mm.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

I've not heard that kind of thing come up at all. Yeah. But my wife came to me today. Yeah, no, because I mean, like, I guess the older you get, maybe. You would want to think about these things, I don't know. But like, I would even say it doesn't even matter what age you are, like people just don't think about it. I just my own advice or my question is if you are of a certain age and you are active and you are not on contraception, like huh? Some people are leaving it up to chance. There's also something very like there's something very fun about like about being risky. Yeah, obviously to them. I don't know. I don't know. For sure, for sure, for sure. And again, like I feel like when that temptation or that feeling comes up, you don't really think. Like, there's not a lot of thought that comes until like the PMC, post-not clarity, where you're just like, whoa!

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Hey, PMC is so real. You like wow. Before that, babes, your mind can wander you're going left, right, center, everything.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

It's only after that thought, right? But people people should try not to get carried away. And even if you're young and you're doing this kind of thing, like, go and consider getting on some sort of contraception. It's not weird. It's not um, people are not like if you think your friends are gonna look at you like, wow, she's sanctionally active. Like in the long run, right, if you are still unsure of whether or not, but you feel you find yourself you're sleeping around, da da da da, maybe you slept with a couple other people. Girl, even if you take it and you are not active for another six, seven months, at least you have some sort of like safety nets to fall back on if like the day comes and the temptation arises again. And also just like yeah, and condoms are just not 100% effective, like they can break, yeah. And so, like, if you are also just like if you are seriously trying to prevent getting pregnant, you also need to take precautions yourself. You cannot solely like depend on the man that you're sleeping with to wrap himself up, you know what I mean? Yeah, and also like the I do think I was gonna say that I do think that like as you get older, or like as I'm getting older, um, it's definitely something that I'm taking into consideration a lot more. Obviously, this is in the hypothetical world, but I'm definitely considering it a lot more, right? Because I'm just a bit like I'm actually not a child, so like you can't just be as free as you were like five years ago. Um, because like I said earlier, like truthfully, if I get pregnant tomorrow, I'm gonna keep the child. So it's just a bit like, okay, so what's your point? Like, and also as someone who wants kids, as someone who has their own like health challenges and all this kind of stuff as well, it's also something that I will consider. So I'm just a bit like, okay. And then I honestly I was just thinking about it today, and we were just discussing, like, you know, is this something that people think about? And not just women as well, like, also, do men think about this as well? Like, are men thinking like, oh, like there is a possibility that this person could get pregnant? Am I okay with that? Because like some of them aren't, and I've seen people who are now in dumb ass predicaments because they didn't think before they just kind of and like you said, PNC is so real, and before before the PNC, your your brain is actually like fogged, like it's foggy. Yep, like it's so foggy, you cannot see, you cannot think straight. Like, that's really quite sad, actually. What I was gonna say is um it's really quite sad. I think the bigger issue here is really on I mean, no, we we're talking in a space where people might be using protection or anything like that, but like if you're out here just like taking risks and stuff, like S TI is like I fear that more than maybe even pregnancy, also like also, yeah. You do you know the kind of things that are moving in this space? Do you guess what I mean? And and I would I promise you, I'm sure this is stats about it. A lot of people who are active do not get checked up, they don't, they actually don't, they don't, they just be going because they think that they've not had any external or outward symptoms, everything seems cool, okay. Yeah, baby, baby, if you do not literally do not be for the things that are moving around, the things that people are carrying and are unaware of, the things that can last in people's bodies for years without showing any sort of symptom, should make you fear to not even try. Because again, you could have other forms of contraception, you could be you know on pill, you could be having um ID, whatever, whatever, and still be out here not protecting yourself. Do you guess what I mean? So there's the pregnancy, exactly, but there's also the real, real reality of getting an STI, and I think more people need to fear, yeah, they need to fear that one more so than even the pregnancy. Think about it on both sides, please, and be safe, please. Or if you know that you're going to be acting with someone, be safe, both go and get tested at the same time, like just go and get tested so we know okay, we're starting in a but even if you know some guys are crazy because they can go and do either they'll forge the test or they'll do the test with you, then maybe they'll go and sleep with somebody else in that meantime, making you think that you have not, and then they will not still come and give you something. Guys, I'm not even saying this as like, oh, I've watched movies and I've seen this. Like this, I know people who have gone through this. I know. So, like, yeah, let's all be guided. Yeah, let's actually all be guided anyway. World of the story, please be safe. If you know, if that's you, please be safe. I was asking, I was gonna ask one more question around this topic. So, is it that you're worried? What's the fear that would make you so like no? What I was gonna say is if this is something you think about now, is it that whenever you're going forward with dating, or you know, whoever you go and date, or when you're dating whatever people, you are thinking, Am I happy with this person to be the father of my child? Is that a thought that comes to the forefront of your mind now? Um, when you're dating somebody. Sorry, are you asking me? No, I'm asking the air who is in front of me. Um, yes, I yes. Yeah. And also, but I think just generally, like, I think as I've got to do it. So anywhere you date, you are happy to be, is it you are happy for that person to be the father of your child. Well, no, well, well, no, because as you can see, a lot of it hasn't worked out. So clearly, I was lost in the south, obviously. However, yes, however, I will say that like now I'm definitely a lot more like intentional about just like dating in general, right? And just like I have to, I am thinking in the back of my mind, right? Yes. Um in a hypothetical world, right? I sorry guys, this is killing me. Because, yeah, anyway, it's just killing me. In a hypothetical world, okay, in a hypothetical world where this hypothetical Inola is actually engaging in you know these sort of activities, yeah, she is thinking about that before you know she does that. Is this going to stop her? You see, that's a different question. Yeah, fair, fair enough. You see, because I'm asking the question, yeah, but like the the part two of that question was also just like okay, and what if it doesn't stop you anyway? What if you're gonna do it regardless? Like, so you just you just have to live with the consequence, and now you see the problem is that like I'm sort of in my like I'm just gonna, I'm I'm sort of in my like fuck it era. So I also have to be able to accept whatever consequence comes with that. Do you know what I mean? That's so wild. Should I should yeah, and this is honestly, this is just complete honesty for me. Yeah, I love it. I love it. If that's the situation, then that's the situation. It just is what it is. Like, obviously, it's a question that I'm thinking about, but like, is it stopping me from doing what I want to do? No, it's not, yeah, yeah. So it's like in the back of my mind. And you can say to yourself, you can ask yourself, do I think this person, am I okay with this person? Well, no, and yet you still prestige. Oh God, we said about um personal clarity, personal parity and your brain being like fogged, like it's actually really it's a real thing. It's real because you could also just be like so lost in the source of lust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you could be so deep in the lust source, yeah, that like you're you are asking yourself these questions like logically, like your brain is like asking, is saying all these things, but then your body is like, okay, but I don't care. That's actually really funny. And I have a funny story to tell you guys about this thing. Um, there's some details I'm skipping out, babes. But it just reminds me of when I was dating someone in the past um a couple years ago. Um, and this person was like say a couple years older than me. Let's put it like that. Okay. I think if you know you like my brain as to who it is. No, like when I say a couple years older than me, I mean like oh gosh, yeah. A couple years older than me in some questionable years older than me. And again, like I remember the first time like I met this person, I actually didn't think that they were the age that they were. I thought they were much younger. So when I now found out, I was like, oh gosh, like I mean, this is like a non-stutter, right? It's not going to take off. But I remember the person asked me to be their girlfriend within like four days of meeting me. I laughed, like I actually cackled because I was like, wait, wait, wait. So like this person actually is taking this thing seriously, and I wasn't, right? And this is why, like, you actually need to be a strict beef sometimes because the way that for can you just pause for a second? Because I did not know this part of the story. Oh my god, yeah, I told you guys his girlfriend four days. Three, four days. Yes, we're hanging out, and he was like, He's a stranger to you. He said this is his last bus stop. And I was like, What? Are you joking? He's not serious. I'm I mean, yeah, whatever. Um, anyway, that's what I said. So I remember thinking, now you've made me forget my train of thoughts, but yeah, yeah, like the fog is so real because in that moment, even from the moment I met the person, I found out their age, I was like, Yeah, this is not going anywhere. But like, I actually was in there to just enjoy myself, like maybe the person would take me clothing here and there. Like, that was actually what I was there for. But then obviously you start talking, you start engaging in conversation along, and then you now like my mind just kept deceiving me and telling me, like, maybe. I remember when me and you would have conversations, we would talk, and like I think out of fear of like, I don't want to bust this girl's bubble, you'll be like, Okay, let's see. Who knows? I'm sure in the back of your mind, you're like, This is not even. Um, but I was so crowded, and I started to think, okay, like maybe if I just explained to people that this is the depth of our and then this, and like we've really gotten to know ourselves, and you know, they would understand, and there's just so many question marks. God have mercy. And I remember I used to talk to this person and they would be like, Why am I overthinking it? Like, why am I always overthinking it that he's handled things on his side? Why can't I handle things on my side? And I need to be more mature, guys. Like, I was so like, I don't even want to say my like I was in my twenties, please. But you were also, you were also I was naive, really young. Yeah, but I was you were young, like you weren't, you weren't like you weren't a child, right? No, I just you were too young to be one in conversation with this with gramps, in my opinion. It's not a gramps, guys.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Calm down, it's all guys, everyone should be calming down.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

I just call him, I just call him gramps, me. But and I feel like he was just looking for someone that he could just like take, like he could just like grab and just make into whatever he wanted. Yeah, like I feel like he could have easily gotten away with that. Yeah, if you if like if you didn't, if there wasn't a part of you that was unsure about the situation, and you could have 100% gone there. Because that guy, in my opinion, is like the biggest fool that I've ever walked the planet, in my opinion. Oh my days, and and guys, the thing about me is that like I am the queen of self-sabotage because like I actually don't, I didn't have the balls at the time to like carry my leg away from that situation. Yeah, so instead, yeah, what did I go and do? I went to cheat on him, and then I came back and I told him, and I knew like obviously that it would end the whole thing, but like imagine if he didn't end it because I would feel so scared. Like I would be like, oh my god, I don't know how to get out of this situation. But yeah, like that that would the definition of like PNC in that situation was just like one day hits me, and I'm like, this is not going anywhere, this is not going anywhere, and then on top of God, I can't even the levels of this thing were so bad. This actually lasted for a couple of months, guys. Um, and so once that fog like clear. I remember the day I told him he if I was so sad, I was hurt too.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

But you know when like the biggest relief, I was just I was like, oh thank God, thank your freedom, to freedom, to freedom.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

So, yeah, man. And that's the title of this episode is The Fog is Real. The fog is actually real, guys. I'm telling you. Oh man, thank God, thank God we're not there anymore. Oh, what a time, what a time, and this honestly takes me back to what I said in episode one about your affinity to losers. Do you have to bring that up? Why do you why do you need to why do you need to reiterate it? Why is here to remind you because like it's good to see that you've grown um from such terrible, terrible predicaments. No, and it's so crazy because I read ah no man, at that time I really liked him. Hey, I was thinking, I had even gone to that thought of am I okay with this specificity if I don't have my kids? I'm like, yeah, I'm happy. My kids are happy. We weren't even doing anything, like we literally were just kissing. Like we're not doing anything, but I hate him. I'm so happy for this to you know be. I don't, I actually funnily enough, I don't hate him. I really don't. I really don't. If I say my son, I would I would laugh and ask him to buy me a drink. Like, that's it. Because it's funny, like at his big age. It's the kind of thing that I would tell my kids, like, this is so funny. And like, in terms of I feel like I've lived a crazy life. Um and like I just have so many, so many silly stories. But I look back on them and I do not have regrets at all. At all. That's so stupid. And I think that's actually I think that's really important because like I I don't I may come on here and speak badly about like people that I've dated in the past. And I honestly, someone said to me recently that, oh, it sounds like you're not over some of your ex situationships or ex-relationships, whatever. And I was like, no, no, no. Like it's just it's fun for me to it's fun for me to bitch about them, but like I don't care, like I genuinely don't care. Um but I also don't regret anything. Like I at one point I used to think that I used to feel like I I wasted a lot of time or whatever, but genuinely, like at the time I was having a really good time. Um and like any situation that I found myself in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any situation that I found myself in, like, I wasn't coerced. Like I went there willingly. You know what I mean? Yep. So, you know, I don't regret um anything. I think that my favorite thing that I've ever done is have a secret rendezvous that I did not tell anyone about until it was done.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Oh my goodness, man. Uh that was actually that was maybe the best.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

Was that the one in um Parkview? We used to go to Parkview, and then you were telling us you're going to see your best friend.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

So I'm just at her house. I'm just at her house. Okay. Sure. And nobody even thought so.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Let's go and ask this baby if she's at her house. Like, I just went to come visit her. And to be fair, no one had been to my friend's house in Parkview. So my location was just showing Park View, obviously. So I'm not lying about where we are technically, yeah, but that was like the best time of my life. Genuinely. Oh my goodness. That was such a fun time. Um, I was fresh off a breakup. Yeah. And I just wanted like, I just wanted clarity. I didn't want anybody asking me like, uh, like, are you guys a no? We're not a thing. We're not anything. Like, this is my friend, strictly my friend. For my friend. Um and I just I also just didn't think it was worth there was anything worth sharing. Like, I just didn't. I don't know. There was just nothing to say at the time. Um, and so I just didn't. And also at the same time, do I really want to say this? At the same time, there was some other person that I met that um I didn't like. But some people in this family, in our family, took it upon themselves to say that I did like this person, and they went to go tell their mothers, and then it became a whole thing. And I was just like, this is so somehow, like, this is so somehow, because like none of this happened, and you guys have made up a story in your head. And I was just having a good old time in parking. So I just I just felt like uh there were just there was too many things happening, and I just think that sometimes it's actually just better to just keep it a little secret, you know. And honestly, like I said, there is really something fun about doing something that you feel like you're not supposed to be doing, yeah. Um and so, yeah, although yeah, I'm obviously growing from that. I'm growing from that and oh gosh, like another reason why I have no regrets is just because like your twenties, your early twenties, mid-20s, they're just meant to be for making choices, silly mistakes, learning from them. Obviously, like nothing drastic, but like crazy, yeah. It won't be too crazy, but like you can have fun. Because really and truly, this thing that you think that you are doing, that you think you can you can walk away from it, and everybody will be fine. And two years from now, you will cackle. You will cackle at this situation. It would be so funny to you. Everybody around you will be laughing at it, even if you think as your age right now, what am I doing? Do you get and it's important for the stories? Like, I actually think that like it is you have to plot to at some point in your life do something for the plot. For the plot. That whole relationship I did with that man was genuinely for the plot. For the plot, yeah. The plot. It was too fun for me, man. I'm just like, I can't even believe. You know, when you'd go and tell people, like, yeah, and everyone knew that the way everybody's face would be like, Yeah. Hey, God. I think I think the most shocking part to me personally is that you're calling that a relationship. Um, no, it wasn't even a relationship. Genuinely didn't know. I didn't know you guys. Were you guys boyfriend and girlfriend? No, God no. He said after I cackled in his face, he told me he's never gonna ask me again. So I was like, okay, that's fair. Which is so fair. But also like ramps, like get out.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

So it was really like it was really a situation, you know. Um again, I actually if I saw him outside, I would laugh and we would laugh and we would, you know, have a drink together, or we would enjoy each other's company.

SPEAKER_03 45:11

Like we we both realize how stupid our situation is and was. And I do wish him all the best. You know, he's not a bad person. He was just you know caught up in maybe he thought he would um find a young wife that can give him the life. Maybe he wasn't able to do it. This actually, this actually, I have a question. Um just about like how many situationships do you think that you've been in like in your life? Like this is so random. A couple. I've been I've maybe like things I'm not the most, I don't think we're like the most, you know, out there girls. Because if I I think I don't like maybe like four. And I know babies my age are but they are running on like 10, 10 plus, man. Um I'm trying to think. But I guess what counts as a situation ship though? I just feel like anything that didn't make it, it was serious enough that you spoke to this person regularly, but it didn't make it out the gate. You know what I mean? It didn't turn into it in translate into boyfriend and girlfriend. You you can be in a very long situation. Very, very, very long. And then you know, people like to mix in exclusive. Yeah, people like to mix in all this like exclusively dating. I was I'm just like, bro, you are still in a situation with this person. I don't believe in all that exclusively dating, but you don't want to. I think exclusively dating is like the biggest bunch of bollocks. Yeah, like if anyone actually believes in exclusively dating, then I have a house I want to sell you under decision. Like exclusively dating is a two-pack of ass. It is, it makes absolutely no sense because why would you exclusively date someone and not be in a relationship with them? That's so dumb to me. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And so it just means that one or either of you are on serious, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. So I don't know, I've been in a couple of cross situationships. It's maybe all well.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

Yeah, I hope I mean some some I don't hope that you're all well, but the rest, majority of you guys, majority of them I see them outside, and I'm like, haha, like we're cool, you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Yeah. Anyway, we as always let the pod spirit lead. And the pod spirit always leads, leads us away from what we actually were meant to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

I think we touched on one thing that we wanted to talk about, so it's but you know, shout out to the pod spirits, it always leads, it always leads. Shout out to the pod spirits, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

What a time to be alive. You had a little game for us.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Oh, okay, because I was wondering which direction you were gonna take. Okay, yeah, I did have a game.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Yeah, um, I just realized like for the young people who listen to this podcast, this episode is like X-rated. Like X rated for them. How young also if you are below the age of like 21, it's not that X-rated. Yeah, even 18. Really? Even 18 for some of these people, they do. Yeah, definitely not. It's just funny anyway. Um, what's it called? My game. Uh, I saw this thing online where people are like, oh, um, their friends and their like close family don't actually know what they do. Um, and so you have to like yeah, exactly, like for a living. And so you ask them um and see what they say, and I find it so hilarious. And as an aside, but in a similar breath, um I saw this video as well of kids at a nursery school and they were asking them, like, oh, what does your parent do? And it was insane the range of responses. Like, there was one person who said like their mother bring um puts food on the not puts makes dinner, makes food and puts the food on the table. And they now ask the they will now like um put the video of the parents saying what they do next to it, and this one was like, I am head of BMW like Africa or something or Mercedes Africa, and her son thinks that she puts food on the table. Like, are you joking? It was so so so so so funny, man. Um, so yeah, I just thought it'd be fun for us to play this and you know let's see if you can describe what I do, and then I can describe what you do, and then we have to pick one of our friends, and you have to describe what that person does, and I have to describe what that person does. Um, and so yeah, who wants to go first? Okay, do you want to go first? I don't want to go first, it's my game. I think this is a fun little segment. Maybe we do games towards the end of this. I think I'm gonna have a lot of fun with this. Okay, I like this. Okay. Am I going first? You are, and you can't just be like the title. Like you have to explain what I do. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So Ayolande is a consultant, uh, and what that means is she consults with other businesses on how to make their businesses more efficient. Okay, I think. Okay, so in the beginning of Aywande's career, yeah, I genuinely believed that her job was to create PowerPoints. That's all I ever used to see her do. Like she was making PowerPoint boosts, like that's all she would do, bro. Like every day she's on PowerPoint, moving box, moving books from here to here to here to here. Like, so sad. Obviously, as she has now progressed and has gotten like what two, three promotions. Only two. Um, she I think now like leads a team of people who um say I don't know books. Who um basically what you do is you have other businesses that come to you to say, hey, we need help on like this area of our business, do that, make it better, and that's what you do. Is that correct? I give that that was really decent if you're explaining it to a five-year-old. Um, and so I would give you like a good eight out of ten. Actually, and I think because my job is very common and very like well understood, so that's why you would know what I do. Um, but if I was to explain what I do, I essentially help yeah, I'm part of a team. Um, I don't lead yet, where I'm part of a team that helps businesses solve their most complex business problems, which can range from. Can I ask a question? Yes. When you say like their most complex business problems, obviously you cannot talk about your clients, but like what kind of complex business problems are we talking about? Because um at my at my company, um we hired um Accenture at one point. She don't work at Accenture, but like they hired Accenture to help them with like some redundancies that they were making. And I was like, you hired an external company to tell you how to make redundancies, I could have told you for free. Like, I know who is less efficient in my team. Like, let me tell you who who needs to go. So I'm curious about like what are those complex, like, you know, yeah. If there's anything you can share, but yeah. Yeah, no, it's kind of like when I say the most complex business problem, I at the end of the day, like teams in companies can't figure these things out, right? Um, and they don't necessarily need to hire outsource the work. But again, if they were to do it, the results that they would get versus the results like an external um consultancy agency, especially like a strategy consultancy one or like you know, would get is very different. Like you might be able to tell them who like they should cut down their team, but you may not be able to translate that into what's how that's gonna affect their bottom line, like how much more money that they're gonna be getting, like, and or how they now need to structure the organization because of these redundancies. Like there are things that are consequences of that that you might the the the team, the day-to-day team will not be able to think through. But these consultants' consultancies have been doing this for years and years and years. Like they have the frameworks, they have the expertise, like they know what the results are going to be. They can translate like people into value, they can translate you know, um costs into whatever it is in terms of like um additional value and whatever. So, yeah, like that one maybe you wouldn't even call like a complex problem. Um, but there's other things like strategy, for example, like what's your strategy, and these days, like you can say, oh, AI can deliver the strategy, but it's not that straightforward, right? You need to do a lot of uh research, analysis, and you have access to like information that you might not necessarily have, and that's why people pay for all of these people for external um yeah consultancies to do this kind of work, and that's why like a yeah, AI is there, but AI cannot phase out this. Well, I don't think AI can phase out this type of work in the short term. Maybe as AI gets smarter, you can start to depend more on AI um to help you. But for now, I think like the value that they bring, you can it's like monetary value, right? Additional um income and stuff. So yeah, that's kind of what we do, and we we're different from like the big four because like again, the problems that we're solving can be quite intense um and challenging and difficult. Um, so yeah, which is why they pay us a lot of money. Well, yep, the company.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Boring stuff, hate that, don't talk about that. Anyway, I now need to describe like this. I know I'm gonna get like five out of ten, but I think you're a senior PR not assistant, or like a senior PR person. Like, I don't know, because I'm a senior PR assistant. Um I think you dabbled in homes before or something, but like you're now in PR. Uh, and I feel like what you do is like you help your clients, or like, no, not your clients. You work in a company, and like when that company creates content or creates something, um, some IP, you basically help get the word out about that content and that IP, all that thing that they've created by like getting press involved. It's anything to do with like the external side of how to promote and push this, it's not marketing, which is what people get confused about. Yeah, they're like, oh, I know this is doing marketing, it's notes. Like you are, and you've explained this thing to me before, but you're trying to um build and shape the narrative externally around this clock. Hey, let's go. You're trying to shape and build and and also create that like buzz around this content or this IP or this thing that they have created. Yeah. Because you're a senior PR person or a sister, I don't even know. Um, you can do this across like multiple um of these products, and you also have like junior people as well that you know you tell what to do, what not to do. Um, yeah. How do I do? What am I gonna get? Honestly, honestly, I would give you a solid nine out of ten. Um, because that was actually really good. It's because we had that conversation on that day, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Where you were, and I was like, what do you mean? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 58:01

A couple things. Yeah, she's a publicist. Okay, that's it. Okay, she's a publicist, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Um, yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

Um what I would say is like our main job, like if you work for a studio or you work for a you work for the I'm I work in TV and film PR, which is very different to like consumer PR. It's very different to other types of PR. So if you work in if you work for a studio or a broadcaster or whoever is creating the content, our job, like you said, is to it's is to drive talkability for the show or for the film. Right? So we and how do you drive talkability through press, through events, those kind of things. So we work in tandem with marketing, but we are not marketing. Marketing focuses on like like advertising and like out of home and like all the like big billboards that you see, and like all the um like if like I work at Sky, I'll just I I work at Sky. So if you have Sky and you put on your Sky and you see like a new show coming on like the UI, like when you on the user interface, when you open the app, all of that is marketing. Um, whereas what I do is I focus on like the press side of things, like so. We would talk to journalists, we'd get journalists to interview whoever's in the in the film, and we would have like junk kits and we'd have like a premiere and a screening and like an experiential moment and just different things that we can get people to talk about the content that's coming, which can I ask you really what PR is? Yeah, what if the content isn't good? Like, what do you do? Um your job remains the same, yeah. But like what if the press uh say it's not good? So when you so this is really like the signs of a good publicist. Like if you know that the content is bad, like you actually know that it's not good, right? Yeah, yeah. Um, but at the end of the day, you work for it, you work for a business, like there's still there's KPIs that need to be that need to be met, and like people like people have expectations of things, right? You have to pitch like crazy. And like maybe the content itself, maybe the content itself is not good, right? So then you have to use a different angle. So let's say you're working on a it's it's really it's really something. Let's say you're working on a show about um, I don't know, pigs, right? Yeah, um, and it's like um like an adult, I don't I'm just gonna say like an adult cartoon about pigs, right? Yeah, no one wants to write about that. Absolutely no one. And then on top of that, like the show is now not good, right? Like it's not funny, it's not engaging, all these kind of things. So obviously, the minute you pitch that to a journalist, they're not listening to you. They're like, no, no, thank you. But say in the in say one of the people who um voices like the pigs is like, I don't know, Beyonce, immediately. Beyonce is too big a name. I need to use someone like uh, I don't know, let's use like a um Daniel Radcliffe. Uh yeah, let's use a Daniel Radcliffe. Immediately, right? Um people are like, okay, that could be interesting. So then you could then go to the journalist and be like, well, I know that like it's you know, we have the show, but we actually have access to Daniel Radcliffe. You know, he'd be willing to do like an like an interview or a feature, and then you you would you would see that like they would be a bit more receptive to speaking to the talent, and then they might do like a big like profile piece on the talent, for instance. Okay, only mention the show like in like maybe in one line. So like I had that when I was I was working on a show with Mel B from The Spice Girls, and like we we everyone loves Mel B, like everyone loves the Spice Girls, but she was working on a kid's show, and it's very difficult to promote a kid's show. So, like honestly, we had lots of people who were interested in talking to her, but like they were all interested in talking to her about her and about and not about the show. So you also have to be you also have to make sure that you're keeping it on message because at the end of the day, like yeah, when I'm reporting back to my seniors and they're like, but where do they mention the show? Yeah, uh you know what I mean? Yeah, so yeah, that's what I do. I have one last question, actually. Go on hardest part, hardest part of what you do. Like, what's the hardest hardest? Um I don't really think there's a hardest part. Maybe um maybe when you have expectations of like of like let's use a film. So let's say you have expectations of a film that has really good talent attached. So let's say like we were working on a film that had like, I don't know, Zendaya and Tom Holland, right? And we are so excited about the possibilities of all the things that we could do with them, and then Zendaya and Tom's reps are like, no, we don't want to do that. That's probably the hardest part because then it's like, well, we created our entire strategy on the basis that they would be willing to do all this stuff, so then you now have to kind of go back and rejig your strategy a bit and also just like manage your expectations. Um, I think there's a lot of like when you're in the thick of a campaign, there's a lot of like moving parts that you can't really explain to someone. Um, that can be quite jarring. Um, but at the end of the day, like my my director always says this it's PR, not the ER. Like our job is meant to be fun. Like it's the minute it starts to get too like difficult, or yeah, it starts to like make you act out of character, like you're doing something wrong. You know what I mean? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:56

Yeah, I really do like I really like anyone who knows me knows that I I love TV and film. So, like, yeah, this honestly, I feel like I'm working in like my dream job every day. Just not.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

Um, how is how is AI? I know I said that was this question, I don't care. Um, how is AI like disrupting your job and disrupting what you do?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:16

And then like, how are you using it to your benefit? That's actually a really good question because they've actually been really trying to force us to use AI more, like they've been integrating it into everything that we use now. Like, even when you go to like send an email, like copilot is already there, like, let me help you drop the email. I'm like, oh my god, go away. Like, I know how to drop this email. Go away to be like, Yes, I don't want to draft this email. No, because like sometimes I'm like you're just responding to an email being like, Yes, I don't need co-pilot to help me write yes. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but how is AI disrupting? I don't actually think AI is disrupting art in the Industry or at least my part of the job, just yet. I do think it helps do like really menial things, like writing a press release. Like, yeah. Sometimes I don't want to write a press release. I actually don't have it in me. I just can't be bothered.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:14

Um, yeah. And if you give AI all the information, it will put a press release together for you in some. And a good one at that. Yeah, a really good one. Um, but I think there's certain parts of our job that AI just can't do, like the back and forth with like talent reps and like putting together a premiere, like a computer just can't do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it can help, it can help like come up with like designs for how the premiere should look, and it can help um, you know, come up with ideas. Like, let's say you want to do like something experiential or you want to do like a stunt, it can come up with ideas for that, but I think the actual execution, you still need people for that. Um so I think it helps us just like get rid of a lot of the ad mini things so that you can actually focus. Well, the idea is that you're supposed to be able to then focus on the big things, but you know, yeah, yeah. Love that's fun, but I love that. I am trying to transition out of I don't know if I want to talk about this, but I'm I've started, but I'm trying to transition out of PR for a bit, and I'm trying to expand my horizons. Yeah, um just I've been working in PR for 10 years, and wow, yeah. It's actually it's been 10 years since I graduated uni this year, which is insane to me personally. Um and I just want to see what else is out there. Um there is a there is a huge part of me that is extremely fearful about uh leaving something that I've known for so long to go and potentially do something else, still within the same industry, but just doing something else. But there's also a part of me that is really excited about the possibility, you know. I think so. And I keep telling myself that if I don't like it, like I can always go back, you know. You have something to fall back on, you have a skill that you can fall back on, you have an industry that you can always fall back on, and I think that's but I do I do genuinely love what it is crazy, and I think, yeah, it is, and I think it's fun. Um, and if PR is something that you're interested in, like please do talk to me. I love when people message me.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

They actually should.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:39

I love it when people message me about these things. Like, there's one girl that I'm currently like helping at the moment, and I just think it's so sweet. Like, she has all these questions, and um I'm I'm grateful or like I'm yeah, grateful that I could help her because like I wish that there was someone who could have helped me and given me guidance on like what I should have done early on in my career because there are things that I would do very differently if I was to do all of this again. Um I would do a lot of things differently so that I could have risen up quicker. Um so you know, if you are interested, hit me up. I would be happy to help. Love that. Hit her up. Okay, wow. We have crazily come to the end of this podcast. I can't even believe it. I can't believe it. I genuinely actually flies. Time flies when you're having fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:39

Okay, but we're back, baby. Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:45

I love it on this side of the world. It's so fun. It's so fun. I can't wait for me and you to be reunited. Oh, gosh, I swear, that's going to be the best.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

Soon, soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:57

Also, someone called me out the other day about me saying that I said I was going to move to Lagos in October. And I just think that like we all need to remember that life is dynamic, you know? And that like I am allowed to say things. Yeah. I'm allowed to say things. And like, yeah, do I want to move to Lagos in October? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:20

You know? Is it going to happen this October? It might not. You know? I said October. I did not say October 2026, did I? So I think everybody should just be, everybody should be calm. I I am a woman of my word, and I will do what I say I'm gonna do. Everybody should just free me, okay? The problem is that I talk too much, and now everybody is on my dick. Now you have put that on the podcast for everybody to know that you're going to go to some point in time. When we're not doing this podcast one year later, and we're still virtual. You are gonna have many more features. You will not be virtual in Jesus' name, but I just I need the girlies. I need the girlies to get off my dick. I'm coming, okay. I was gonna say two things. First of all, we're allowed to like run over time, guys, because we actually haven't been around for a while. Um, but I was gonna say I wanted to know what stuff you're enjoying lately. Um, like music, movie, food, whatever. Like, what are you enjoying lately? And you can actually only pick one thing because we actually don't have time to be talking about everything. Um, and then I was going to give a shout-out to Osagi from Lose Talk, who did give us a shout-out on their podcast. Thank you so much. Honestly, we did like did not expect it at all. My brother was the one that called me, and then I called Uinala. I was shocked. And I hadn't even gone to that episode because I listen to Lose Talk every single week, but I hadn't gone to that episode. She shared a couple tales. Yeah, it was real, it was real. So I just want to say a huge, huge, huge thank you to the Liz Talk podcast who have really been supporting us since CBP days, man. Yeah, since 2017. Yeah, really, really have. And like honestly, this podcast community and podcast world is especially like within the Nigerian space, it's so fun and so cute, and you know, um, I think, yeah, that really, really made our weeks, and we should have actually mentioned that in the beginning. But I want to give a big shout out to them. Um, also want to give a big shout-out to Summerch, went for their live show, their podcast live show. Nah, that was pretty sick. I was sitting there and I was just like, I just can't wait till we can do this. I can't wait till we can do this, and you know, we also have our little community that I missed it, it was really fun. Like, genuinely, I feel like it would have been so good. And honestly, they're bad. They should come and do one in London. They are bad. Trust me, they have the numbers to show they are bad. Um, but it was cool, the whole place was packed, it was intimate. They read we did a trivia, and guys were out here getting 10 out of 10 correct, and some of those questions were obscure, but people are getting 10 out of 10, 8 out of 10, 9 out of 10. I couldn't even believe it. Um, they really have fans and they've been doing this thing for 10 years. Um, and it just I was just inspired by it, and they literally look like rock stars in that moment when they were doing the podcast. It was really, really cool. So, shout out to them. So, shout out to Submarage. We love them, we love those guys, love them. Damn, what am I loving recently? Okay, I'm gonna I can literally quick fire this. Quick fire. Um, obviously, everything Justin Bieber, um, his coachella, both weekends, absolutely incredible. Like, genuinely, I do not think that there is a greater artist alive. And like, if you want to argue with me and you want to bring up Beyonce, like obviously Beyonce is the greatest performer ever, but I just genuinely believe that Justin Bieber is the greatest artist of all time. And that's I said what I said. Like, I need people to not argue with me. Like, I hate it when people come into my DMs and are like actually trying to battle me on this P. Like, you're talking to a wall. I think the fact that you're a believer is an ick. Genuinely. I don't even think you should be saying these things out loud. Like, you're in a believer. Just jump out. I like with my full chest. And the thing is, you can never shame me for being a believer. Like, can't shame that somebody can shame me for, but this I can never be shamed for. Like, I do not give a toss. I don't care. Yeah, yeah. I don't um anyway. Everything, Justin Bieber, uh amazing, incredible. I also wanted to shout out Bella, um, the singer, B-E-L-L-A-H. Oh, the black one. Um, yeah. Her new EP, I don't know if it's an EP or if it's an album. Um, 10 out of freaking 10. It's been on repeat for over a week. It's called State of Emergency Volume 1. Um, it has eight songs. Um, like if you love, like, first of all, her voice is like butter. Like, she just sounds so good. Um, and like I've always had faith, I've always had faith in her, but like it's so so good. Like, I can't even tell you what my favorite song is because I love them all. The song with Justin Conrad is incredible. I love Smooth, I love Sweet Nothings, I love Critical Condition. I can't wait to listen. I cannot wait to listen because I love Evil Eye is such a good song. Oh, it's such a jam, and like her voice. I I don't I don't know what it is about her voice on this like EP where it she it just sounds so mature, like oh, she just sounds so good. She had this one feature on the Showham Camp album, um Live Life. Is it Live Life? No, not Live Life. It's that song I hope it cheats on you, I hope she makes her f love you. No, no, no, no. Anyway, that song is so good. It's called like W Y W or something like that. Yeah, she's so good. Okay, I'm gonna check out. She's so good. Um, in terms of like TV film, if you have not watched the drama, then you are missing out on I'm liking my watch that tonight, actually. You're missing out on a great film. I keep saying I'm going to post my review of that, and I will actually post my review, but I think the reason why the drama is good is because it forces people to have like these interesting, uncomfortable conversations that I think people typically shy away from. Um in terms of TV, um Imperfect Women on on Apple TV is great. Shrinking is amazing, the best TV show ever. Um, there is a show on Netflix I need everybody to watch. It's called Big Mistakes. It's so funny. Um really it's so funny. The only thing is, if you have watched Shits Creek, um you may think that he's playing the same-ish type character. Uh David? Ew, David. Um he's playing the same-ish. Yeah. He's playing the same-ish type character. Um, but it's such a funny show. It's basically a show about these two siblings that get into a shit ton of trouble, and it's them trying to get out of the trouble um throughout the entire show. It's so funny, it's so good. Yeah. Um, and yeah, that's everything that I've been loving recently. It's so crazy because Uinala is definitely one of those children that did not listen to instructions when she was growing up in school, where they would say, come forward and just say, because I actually said one thing. I said one thing. But like I randomly I can't say I can't say one thing. I'm sorry. Yeah, you can't do it. But you can say one thing. How about you?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:06

Oh, I I should say one thing. What's like instructions?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:13

Oh, you can only say one thing. Crazy, crazy, crazy gal. Uh, what am I loving lately? If I was honestly the only thing top of mind, I'm loving good salads, guys. A really, really good salad. Okay. Let me tell you that there are not that many places that could do really good salads. Since moving to this third world country, coming from a country where I could have great salads and access to great salads near me here has been so difficult. But there are two places I want to give the biggest shout-outs to. Zia with the Asian crunch chicken salad. The bomb. The bomb. It's good, it's will even rival salad projects in the UK. That is a salad. That's actually a big claim. That's a bloody good salad tapes. Um, and I had that salad and you didn't like it. And I don't think you have the salad. I didn't say I didn't like it. I just I don't think it rivals salad projects. It is, it is for me. Okay, it is for me. It's doing everything for me. And the second one is salad station. Ugh. Salad station. I don't know who owns that. I don't know if you heard my inner cry and woes, but genuinely, they make really, really good salads. And you can build your own bowl, and my order is perfection, and I am obsessed with their salads. Like, salads should not be um a struggle to eat. Like, you should not be upset because you're eating a salad, you should be excited to eat that salad, and every time I make that salad, I'm so excited. So I am loving salads lately, but since Olala did all, I'm also really loving um Imperfect Woman.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:11

I'm loving Love on the Spectrum, baby. We're back. Okay, we're back, okay, Madison and Tyler.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:21

Um and I also just finished Paradise Season 2 and just have so many thoughts. Like Yeah, it's so good. Like it's so good. Ugh. I wouldn't even I don't think it's so good. I actually don't think it's so good. Wrong anymore. That's a wrong approach. But we don't have time to get into it. I think it's a good show. I don't think it's so good. That's a wrong show. Actually, Paradise. I actually show you on television currently you overhyped that show. But I'll say that for a different day. Anyway, it's been OTCL, it's been your favorite cousins, it's been Iowa Nola. Um, and we have loved every single minute of this. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. We will see you next time. And you don't want to do your visual outro. Oh, um follow us on all our socials. Um, we actually only have one, which is Instagram at OTCL podcast. Um message us if you have thoughts. I you know what? This episode was actually really fun for us, and I feel like we touched on a bunch of things. So talk to us. Like if you resonated with anything that we spoke about, like message us, DM us, like comment, like we actually want to hear from you guys. And um, yes, we intend to be way more active on our socials now, so yeah. Expect to see more from us, and yeah, we love you guys so much. Thank you for listening, and we will see you next time. Bye, au revoir, bye bye.