Episode 24: After Show

Join us for the Betty Broderick After Show, as we discuss the details in this case following the passing of Betty in jail.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Hello again, Divas and Dudes. Welcome to the Betty Broderick After Show.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Yes, the after show is such a divided story and opinions. So go for it. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

So I'm not on either side. This case is not black or white. There's a lot of gray area. I'm not gonna let you cop out like that. No, no, no, I'm not. And I'll tell you why. I'll give you all my opinions. So, Betty, I don't think that she was pure evil. I don't think that she went into this marriage with bad intentions. I don't think that she just wanted to keep her social status and, you know, it was all about money and nothing else mattered. I do think that she was psychologically tormented. I do think that she sacrificed her whole life and he used her. Like I fully believe that he used her because he relentlessly p pursued her. She actually was initially not at all interested in him. Well, he finally talked her into it. They got together, blah blah di blah. And he proposed marriage to her multiple times. And he she denied him. She's like, no, I don't want to get married. Um, and he finally wore her down, and she's like, uh, fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Um what a romantic marriage proposal.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Will you marry me? Oh, fine. Yeah. And I and a lot of men are guilty of this. I think that he saw her as a stepping stool. I think that he knew that she was essentially programmed to totally support him and totally lose herself in him and take care of him while he went to school and tie her down with, you know, these children. And um, I think he used her. And I think that he did find another younger Betty eventually and is like, oh, I don't want you anymore. I've got the new improved version. Like your car, you replace it with a newer model.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

I mean, I I do think he used her, but I don't think he set out to use her from day one. I think that he ended up using her when he was ready to move on. I don't think that was necessarily his you know, like MO from the from the start, but she fell so easily into that part. And when he was done and ready to move on, she was disposable. But I think that came about as time went on.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Well, I think people call her a narcissist, but I think that he is a narcissist, and narcissists by definition don't see humans as humans with their own feelings, thoughts, and opinions. They're disposable and they're there to be used. So I do think that he just saw her as an object from the beginning. I don't necessarily think that he had the whole thing planned out, like, oh, in 30 years, I'm gonna go marry this 28-year-old because she wasn't even born yet. But I do think that that relationship was doomed from the start because he I do think that he was a narcissist. Now, with that said, I don't think that Betty is entirely innocent in this. And I realize, like, as a woman, you you have this programming, especially back then, and it's like your self-worth is dependent upon what you can offer to a man. And I know that that programming is incredibly hard to deprogram. I mean, women struggle with it today to a huge degree, but at some point you have to say, okay, I'm an adult, I'm a strong woman, this is what I want to do, I can do this, I'm not happy, let me go live my life for me, blah, blah, blah. Like at some point, you have to be an adult. And I understand why it would be hard, especially back then. But she made the decision to A stay in this marriage that was obviously fucking toxic. Doesn't seem like either of them were all that happy. And B, she also kind of used the children as pawns in in the divorce battle because she admits like she would go drop the kids off at his house to teach him a lesson and show him how hard parenting is. And that is that's valid in the way that like obviously he had no fucking idea or even no desire to actually raise his kids or spend time with them or give a fuck about them. That much was very clear to me. But at the same time, imagine the damage that you're doing to your kids when you treat them like objects and just go drop them off on the fucking sidewalk. Like she was emotionally damaging her children just as much as Dan was. And all of the times that she would call his answering machine while the kids were there and say all of this incredibly abusive, vulgar shit, like, oh, is the syphilitic prostitute there? Like, just just heinous, heinous stuff that she knew that her seven-year-old son could hear. And in one of the the phone calls, this the seven-year-old son actually picks up and he's like, Yeah, mom, I want you to stop. And she just has no empathy for him. She's not hearing it, she just continues on her tirade. So, like, she was very guilty in the sense that she was traumatizing her children. And I can't reconcile that. That's wrong. Period point blank. But I do think that she really snapped after being used and abused for three decades. I think that she was completely out of her fucking mind and she literally could not control herself. I don't think she could control herself, and I do think that she needed professional help. And if her husband had given a fuck about her or his kids, he would have seen that and gotten her help instead of antagonizing her. So, no, she's not innocent. I think that it it's his fault. He he caused it. He caused it. There's only so much abuse that you can hurl at a person before they snap. And even up until the day that she died, she still said, like, I don't regret it. Basically, she harbored that grudge until the day that she died. And I think that speaks volumes to just how hurt and angry she was.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Well, and I wonder if she got any mental help once she was incarcerated. Probably not. I mean, even if she did, probably not to the standard that she needed.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yeah, I I hope that she found some kind of peace, but like obviously I've never been driven to murder, but I think if you ask just about any woman on the planet, every one of them has a similar story that this man used and abused me and then traded me in for a younger model or whatever. And I think that's why a lot of women had sympathy for her, because I think most women have a story.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

I have a lot of sympathy for her. I do too. I don't believe anybody's ever justified in murder, but I do believe that if it hadn't have happened back then, if it had happened now, some she would have been seen by a psychiatrist, she would have been committed at some point, she would have been on antidepressants, she would have had more support and help, and people would have given a shit what she was going through, and she would have been able to do more to stop him antagonizing her. I think that he was antagonizing and poking the bear in the hopes that she would do something that would get her arrested and put in jail. I don't think that he thought that that would be his murder, but I think that he was antagonizing her to the point where he was hoping he could get her in some real legal trouble.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Um I'm glad you said that because one of the theories, and this is just a theory, one of the theories was that he was trying to make her so miserable and unhappy and unable to cope that she would kill herself and finally be successful because she had attempted suicide multiple.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I think he wanted her out of his life, and I think that he wanted her to either like move away or get put in jail or kill herself. He was poking the beer for a purpose. I don't think he found it amusing because it was disrupted to their lives.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

I think Linda found it very amusing.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

I think she liked it a lot. She may have, yeah. I don't think he found it amusing because I think that it disrupted his life a lot. But I think that he had a end game that he didn't realize would be as bad as his own murder, but that his end game was to get her out of their lives in some way.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yeah, and he also didn't realize I think this was one of the major things that threw a wrench into his plans to make her miserable, was he like actually didn't realize how hard being a parent was because he had never done it a day in his fucking life. And so when she made him, he was like, fuck, this is really hard. I had no idea. And there was apparently a string of nannies that he had hired that I guess he didn't vet at all because he just didn't fucking care. I mean, when you have all the money in the world, there's no reason that you should be hiring a nanny that can't even get the children bathed. And there was one of the teachers at the kids' school that testified in the trial, and she said that the younger children would come to school and they would be wearing the same clothes multiple days in a row. They would smell because they hadn't showered, they would physically have dirt behind their ears, like you could see the dirt build up. And you're talking about a family that are millionaires and you have kids wearing the same clothes, you have kids that are not baited.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

So it's so it's not due to not having the money for clothes or the money for hot water, it's due to not giving a shit.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Exactly. Literally not giving a fuck about those kids, which I just find absolutely disgusting. And um Betty actually testified that one of the nannies, um, so Dan and Linda, I guess, had gone out of town on a vacation for like a week or something, and Dan had only left $100 to feed the kids and get everything they needed for that whole week. And uh they ran out of money, of course, because $100 doesn't do shit. Yeah. Um so this nanny had to call Betty and say, Oh, one of the kids is sick, we're out of food, we need some medicine, we ran out of money. And Betty had to come and bring medicine and food and cash. And she's like getting, you know, a very small amount of support from him every month that he's deducting on with his bullshit fines and stuff. So he didn't want to be a parent, he didn't give a shit about those kids. And this is something else that really irks me, is I think that Linda was kind of an evil person too, because just as a woman in general, I never wanted kids myself, but you know, I had custody of my nieces, I took care of them to the best of my ability. I can't fucking imagine sending them to school with dirt behind their ears and wearing the same clothes three days in a row. If I was a stepmother, like same thing, like if you marry a man with kids, you you're taking those children on. They are your responsibility in some way. Even if it was when they're with you, yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

I mean, I married a man with kids, I have stepkids. Yeah. So when they're when they're with their mother, I don't even know what they're doing or what's going on. You hope that their mother is bathing them. But when they're with me or uh us, yes, it's our responsibility to parent them.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Yeah. And even just, and I'm not even talking about like a good proper full parenting. I'm talking food, clothing, shelter. Like mere mental. And if it's a kid on the street that I see shivering and starving, I'm gonna be like, please allow me to help you. Yes. So for this woman that married him, to just not give a fuck about these kids and send them to school dirty and leave them hungry and you have millions of dollars as a woman, that really disgusted me.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Do you think she was hoping that Betty would get the blame?

SPEAKER_01 14:09

No, I think she was a nasty person. And I know like her family may disagree and her family may not like to hear that, but she didn't help any of the situation, period. Yeah. She antagonized everything. She didn't give a fuck about the kids.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

She definitely didn't give a fuck that he was married with kids when she met him.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yeah. They were having an affair while Betty and Dan were still married. I think she was a nasty human being. And I'm not saying that she deserved to be murdered, but I think that this was I think this is the biggest fuck around, find out example in the history of the universe.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Yeah, it was like a just one thing after another. Like a series of unfortunate events. Yeah, that's one way to any one thing could have been a turning point had it been done correctly. But it it it is the domino effect disaster. Definitely. At any point somebody could have stopped the dominoes.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

At any point. I mean, they could have, they had all of the money in the world.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

But it just picked up velocity.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Yeah, it did. And it didn't have to go that way.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

And it turned out unfortunate for absolutely everybody.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Especially those poor kids. So she never didn't get parole. It sounds like she didn't want it. Well, she tried. She, you know, she won it out, but you know, they never gave it to her, which I do understand why they didn't. She murdered two people.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

They didn't give it to her because she never she wasn't. Right. She never was. If you really wanted to get out, then at your parole, you would try and show some remorse and be sorry. And I think that either she wasn't sorry, in which case she didn't care about getting out. It was more important to her to not regret it than to get out. Or because she never got the mental help she needed, she wasn't mentally able to turn herself around to where she realized that what she did was wrong and regret it.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

I appreciate her transparency. I can say that like she didn't feel bad about it. And she like on a on some level, she should have felt bad about it because she took two lives. Both of those people had people that loved them and cared about them and missed them.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Your kids loved one of them.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Right, right. But and again, that just goes to show just how angry and hurt she was. And I, there's a person that did me so fucking dirty. And as a matter of fact, I told him, I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like, I wish there were cameras in hell so that I could watch you roast while you are down there. Right. And this was many years ago now, but I kind of still feel that way. Now I'm not gonna murder him, but I can understand her rage, and I think a lot of women understand that rage. Now, could she have lied and said, Oh, I'm so sorry, and maybe gotten parole?

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

That's why I don't think she wanted out that bad because she didn't try.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

But I also don't think that she got the mental help that she needed to realize that what she'd done was wrong.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I think that she needed mental help beforehand or it wouldn't have happened. And then maybe it wouldn't have happened. And she needed mental help afterwards to understand that what she did was wrong and she didn't get it before or after. So do you think that she deserved parole? No. Because if she hadn't got mental help enough to understand that what she did was wrong, then she was still a danger to society.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Yeah. If you can't take accountability, then you've not learned your lesson and you may repeat it. I don't think that she would have repeated it. I think that Dan really just did her so fucking dirty. That was 30 years of her life. And she'll never get that back. She never got that back. She died in prison, which, yes, that's her fault that she died in prison. I I just I really understand her rage, but I don't think that she should have gotten parole. She's still killed. Even if she did take accountability, I still don't think she should have gotten parole.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

If you killed any murderer should ever get parole.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

I think maybe if, like if you're a child, depending on the circumstances, maybe if you are declared mentally like something is wrong and you've then gotten treatment. Like, say somebody is schizophrenic and they're having hallucinations and they think that, oh, there's a murderer coming after me with a knife, but really it's just like their doctor with a stethoscope. Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

But if it's somebody if it's somebody that needs medication to not kill people, a lot of the times these people don't take their medication.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

I know. I know. But so then what do you do? You just lock them all up. You can't just lock everybody with a mental illness up.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

No, no, no. I'm not suggesting. We need better resources first of all. But if somebody killed somebody due to a mental health issue that requires medication and they can't be trusted to stay on that medication.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

They need to be monitored.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Then they they don't necessarily need to be in jail for the rest of their lives, but they need to be in a psych ward for the rest of their lives.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

They need to be, I don't know if psych ward for the rest of their life. Definitely for an extended period, and it would be case-by-case basis, I think. They would need supervision. Somebody needs to make sure that they are religiously taking that medication.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

But how easy is that to do not easy for somebody that's not living in a supervised environment?

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Not easy at all. It would have to be like some probation type thing, I guess. But our country doesn't give a fuck about mental health, so they're never even gonna try to implement something like that.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

So for you get 10 years probation, they drug test you every week to make sure you've taken your meds, and then after those ten years, they're like, Okay, so you're good, and then you stop taking them.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Okay, and they let sex offenders out, people that have raped children out in six months. Oh, agreed, I agree. So, you know, it just it depends. Can't keep people locked up in cages forever. Like you you have to you have to decide and make a decision. And I wouldn't want to be the one making those decisions. Like, definitely not, but we need a total overhaul on all that anyway, regardless. Yeah. I mean, I I don't I don't think that she should have got Pearl in the case. No, I don't think so because she didn't regret it.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

She's a good one. And the the way in which because obviously murder's bad no matter what, but there are different circumstances. And she went into a house with two sleeping people with a gun and shot them while they were asleep. But that's just completely different to somebody that, you know, murders in self-defense or because they feel threatened, or you know what I mean? It's just she says, and I didn't cold.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

It is, it's very cold. She says, and I didn't get to this in the actual episode. She claims that she went out that night because she was gonna go to the beach and just go clear her head. With a gun. But yeah, with a gun. But for some reason, at the stop, she got to a stop sign where either I think you take a left to go to the beach or a right to go to Dan Broderick's house, and she's like, for some reason, I don't know why, I didn't take the left to go to the beach. I took the right to go to Dan's house.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

And coincidentally, you happened to have borrowed your daughter's key to that same house on the same nut ankle bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

That was the thing that really spoke to premeditation is that she had stolen the keys.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

If you took the key and you took the gun, you weren't headed to the beach and suddenly at the last minute decided to go the other way.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

And she claims that she just always Had the gun on her for safety reasons, which okay. Maybe the gun, but not the key. Maybe, but yeah, but not the key. I do think because she always admitted like that she did the murders. That was never up for debate. That was factually known. But her defense was that it it was not premeditated. Bullshit. But I mean, there's no way it wasn't premeditated. So she said that she went there, went to the house, she just wanted to talk to him. She wanted to talk to Dan. She wanted to talk to Dan and have him finally actually listen because he would never listen to her. And she thought, oh, if I take the gun, maybe he'll be able to get away from the case.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

If I go in the middle of the night, let myself in with a key he doesn't know I have, and take my gun and wake him up, maybe he'll listen. Yeah. Not logical.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

No, it's not. Um, and then she said that I guess Linda woke up and uh said, call the police and she just started firing. She's like, I didn't know it was gonna happen. I don't even remember anything after that. But yeah, it was premeditated murder. If you can commit two premeditated murders, uh, no matter the circumstances, I I don't think that you deserve. I mean, unless you've had a total, complete break with reality, but then you have to have to learn and grow from that. You can't just say, well, they made me do it. No.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

That's not a defense. She was still, she probably spent every day in that cell going over in her head all of the stuff that they did to her.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Well, she said that she liked prison. And I mean, I guess she did. I guess she it was a break from her life because probably less stressful. Yeah, definitely less stressful because she always had her hands in something with the four kids and the divorce, and I mean, it probably was a break for her to some degree.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Sad if prisons break from your life.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yeah, I mean, and that also that's another thing that goes to show just how unhappy she was in her life. I think that's about all I have for Betty Broderick.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

So I think we're more or less on the same page, but I'm maybe a little more sympathetic to to Betty. Um, I don't believe that murder's justified in any way, shape, or form, but I don't believe that she got the help she needed. And I do believe that she was pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed where she didn't need to be. He could have just left her, divorced her, married somebody else, moved on, and not done all of the unnecessary antagonizing of the situation. And I don't feel like she was in her right mind and that she did not get the help that she needed.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yeah, I think I do think that she was kind of temporarily insane at that point. I don't think that she could control herself.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

And again, as her husband, he should have stepped in, but instead, but you should worry about the other parent of your children if they're the main caregiver, especially, even if you're no longer married to them. Um and I don't think usually when it's temporary insanity, they're talking about that day.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

I think she had temporary insanity for a while because I don't think you drive a car into somebody's house unless you're somewhat insane.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Yeah, I mean, she had literally I mean, there's your sign, people. She had no perspective on consequences. Right. None.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Like she was violating the restraining orders and just so I think rather than like date that temporary insanity that day, she was being driven further and further and further into a worsening case of temporary insanity. And what did he do? Help push her.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

And he seemed to do it with joy. And I really think that Linda. I think that Linda was a big motivator. I think that she liked it. I think she thought it was funny to watch. I wish that she had lived. I wish that she and Dan had lived and been married for 20 years, and she would have lived long enough to see him dump her for a 20-year-old. And that's exactly what would have happened.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yep. But at least there wouldn't have been children in that messy divorce. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Okay, y'all. Well, that is Betty Broderick. Hope you enjoyed the after show. And the show. And what do we have coming? Do we know yet?

SPEAKER_00 26:33

At this point, because we're recording a little bit out of order.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Um, I'm not sure whether this is the one before or after Drew Peterson. I would think at this point we've probably got the crash coming up next.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

That's my guess.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Okay. And I have no idea what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Period. Period. Period, right now. It's it's been a day, y'all. And we're on vacation, so that's not cool.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

But it's gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

It is. Everything works itself out in the end.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

In the end. Which isn't like you said, would have happened for Betty. Like what goes around comes around and he would have got his. She just gave it to him early.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

And it's it's that's not funny, you guys. Like, murder is not funny. It's just as a woman, especially, like you get treated like fucking dirt by some, not all men, but by by some men. And I mean, sometimes it's satisfying when they get a taste of their own medicine. 100%. All right. On that note, hope you enjoyed the after show. We'll see you next week. With something or another. I guarantee it'll be a true crime story. And we'll both be here, and maybe we will have won the Florida lottery, and maybe we'll be millionaires then.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

We're still gonna record our podcast for you though. Promise. Promise. I thought you were gonna say probably then. I thought you'd be like, what?

SPEAKER_01 27:58

No, not probably, because we enjoy doing this. This isn't work. This is fun. All righty, guys. Until next time, be divas. Now, Daddy. Bye.