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Inside Our Minds
EP10: More Than Expected
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Welcome to Inside Our Minds Podcast. I'm your moderator, Aaron Collier, and I'm joined weekly by two amazing co-hosts, Robbie McIntosh and Ashama Rucker. Robbie has autism and Ashama has Noonan syndrome, but that doesn't stop them from living life on their own terms. Every episode, we take you into the minds of Robbie and Ashama as they share their perspectives and experiences as adults who don't let their disabilities define them. Keep listening to be inspired. Good morning and happy Monday. I am Aaron Collier with the one best host in the whole entire world, Ashama Rucker. And why I say one best host, we are missing Robbie today.
SPEAKER_02Yes, we are.
SPEAKER_04Robbie is, you know, I'm a little jealous of Robbie though. Robbie is on a fun week-long spring break vacation.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And you know what? We're we're missing him. And Robbie, we know you're gonna listen to this. So shout out to you. We're really jealous of you, and we hope you're having a really, really good vacation, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But we are super excited to welcome an awesome guest today, Palmer Corporal. And let me just talk about Palmer real quick. So Palmer has very high functioning autism, but he has not let that get in the way. He graduated college from college from Indiana, just won a college national football championship. He's built his career, he's got his license, and now he has his own place. Today, we are excited to learn from his perspective. Palmer, do you want to introduce yourself?
SPEAKER_05Yes, sure. Uh my name is Palmer Corporal, as Aaron described it. Thank you for that introduction, buddy. Yes, sir, 100%. Um, I was born and raised here in the Richmond, Virginia area. As described, I am someone who was born on the high functioning autism spectrum. I graduated with honors back in 2016 from from Melothean High School, and then I would go on to start my college journey. Um it used I started at John Tyler Community College. Well, technically it's now Bright Point. Yep. Um, I graduated there um from general studies with a associate's degree, and then I would transfer to Virginia Commonwealth University, VCU, with my undergrad, finishing that back in 2020 with a sociology degree. Dude, literally. And then sometime it passed, and then I decided like go to Indiana University because the program I had studied, I was actually already volunteering in a nursing home community. Nice and I helped in activities. And I was like, oh, this feels seems very relevant on what I would like to do. And it took me uh two and a half years to like obtain my master's, and I chose Indiana University because they had like one of the best accredited universities in the nation. Unfortunately, Virginia did not promote that um program as much, actually.
SPEAKER_04Well, dude, it sounds like you've lived a rock star life. And I when you were just talking about that, it was pretty cool. You said you graduated from high school in 2016. Yeah. Me too. Did you know that? Yeah, yeah. So I I graduated Manchester 2016, and I also went to Bright Point. So I wonder if we like passed each other. Maybe we had to. What what campus were you at? I was at the Melothian campus. Me too. We definitely passed each other then at some point. We probably did. Dude, that that's awesome. So, man, I uh like it, dude. You're you're 28 years old and I'm a little jealous of you. It sounds like you've got a lot accomplished. So, dude, you you're living a rock star life. Thanks, Aaron. Yeah, 100%. Ashama, do you have a good week? What'd you do?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I had a good week. Bike riding.
SPEAKER_04You went bike riding? Okay. Dude, you got some sweet lights on your bike. I know that.
SPEAKER_02Heck yeah.
SPEAKER_04I saw that TikTok video. Dude, has anyone ever? Oh my god. You you'd scare me though. If I saw those lights while I was driving down the road, I think a cop's gonna pull me over.
SPEAKER_02But I I didn't have them up. I turned them down because I didn't want the lights to face in anybody's apartment.
SPEAKER_04Okay, yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.
SPEAKER_02Is it a cops or somebody coming? They could be asleep. Where the light coming from, you know. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know. I turned it down to the kind of like to the ground, but it could still shows up on the cars because I want people to know like I'm coming and I got lights on the bikes. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. That's the reason why I did I uh trust the lights.
SPEAKER_04It is good to have lights on your bike, and I I mean I'll be driving down the road sometimes and I'll just see random people walking down the road at like 10 o'clock at night, and I mean I don't even see them talking right up on them. And I mean I I think it's definitely smart to have some sort of jacket or some sort of lights on your bike. So I mean I definitely think that's smart.
SPEAKER_02So basically they they tell they they uh a lot of people say it's like when you're walking, you're supposed to have on white so they can really see you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But I didn't have on white at all, but I had the right the white lights, the red light for the back. I I made it look like my own personal car.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, yeah, no, 100%. It's sweet. It's a really, really sweet setup. Well, guys, today's a milestone. We are celebrating our 10th episode. Let's go. Yeah. 10 episodes, and guess what? What we are also celebrating 150 five-star reviews on Spotify. So nice dude. I it it the last 10 weeks have flown by. I mean, we talk about it each week. It time time flies when you're having a whole lot of fun. And right, we're just so grateful for all the listeners because we we wouldn't be in this position without y'all, right? We wouldn't be in this position without y'all giving us your time. And we're just super, super grateful. And with that being said, I think we're ready to dive into questions, aren't we? Yeah, we ready to roll?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_04All right, well, it sounds like it is time to welcome you inside our mind. All right, let's get into it. So, last week we had a really, really good conversation, right? Yes. We really we talked about the moments that shaped us, kind of the the moments that made us who we are. And we're gonna kind of continue that trend this week. You know what I mean? And yeah, people loved the episode last week, and I had a lot of fun recording it last week.
SPEAKER_02I had a lot of fun speaking on it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, dude, a hundred percent. So, our our first question today, Oshama, we're gonna start with you.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_04What's something you've accomplished that people might not have expected?
SPEAKER_02I had gotten uh my GED and I got in the G E, my GED certificate.
SPEAKER_04Nice, nice. And I mean, I I'll just listen to your story though. I remember when we talked about kind of preschool, post-school. I remember you talking about you kind of had to drop out of high school for a good reason.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was a good reason because um when I moved to North Carolina, um, they wanted to put me back in ninth grade at the age of 18. And my mom said no. And so I was like, well, when I have a child, and I spoke this in my spirit. When I have a child, then I'm gonna go back to school, then I'm gonna go for GED, and my mom taught the GED.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, dude, that's awesome. And I'm that just that piece of paper, you're just looking at it and you're like, you know what? It's not just a piece of paper. I am super proud of my journey. Just from that, that piece of paper is super, super powerful. All right, Palmer. So, what's something you've accomplished that people might not have expected?
SPEAKER_05For me, that would probably be um earning like my college degree, even like taking it the step further, as I've mentioned, actually earning my master's degree. Yeah, yeah. I vividly remember back in high school. Um, we, me and my family, we did initially have some doubts on like whether I would go to college or not. Cause like with me with my autism, things were different for me back then. Most people by sophomore junior year, they have like a general idea of like where to go next, even if it's like not what they'll fully pan out, but they have that general idea. It wasn't until like maybe my senior year was like, okay, let's give college a chance. And then I decided to go to community college, you know, two years, um, close to school because like the militant campus was actually across from my high school, actually. Yeah, so I took that chance, and then I just think like the rest is history as we imagined the introduction, actually.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, dude, that's awesome. And I I think that's the best thing about uh two-year college. And I I try to tell the guys that I coach baseball, and I try to tell them all the time the best thing ever is just go to that two-year college. Because I mean, you you graduated from Indiana, right, with your master's, but you also graduated from VC with your bachelor's. Yes. But you started off at Bright Point, you know what I mean? You started off at Bright Point, and I mean it the the the credits transfer over, and I mean it's just such a good program. It's a lot cheaper, and you're getting pretty much the same education.
SPEAKER_05It really does. It's really beneficial, and a college like Bright Point, it can really like um help you figure out and navigate what you want to do. It lets you get your general studies out of the way, and like you said, you're paying a mere fraction of the cost than you would go for like a traditional undergrad school.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it's like, I mean, it's like 25%. I mean, uh, I think a a semester at a regular school is probably let's say probably on average about 20 grand, right? I think Bright Point was like four grand. Jeez, wow. Yeah, I mean, it's way cheaper. I mean, it's just such a it's just such a good tool. I mean, I can't encourage it enough. If if guys, if you're kind of stuck, don't know what you want to do with your life, even if you don't know if college is the right route, even if you don't know if trade work is the right route, just either go to a two-year college and just kind of see how you like it, see how you do.
SPEAKER_05Community colleges, I do believe they offer some type of like um trade skill programs too, actually. So there's no shame in that. And whatever you guys want to do, um choose a path. And if they're if you're unsure of it, it's always okay to like um switch up. You'll find something that you're really good at.
SPEAKER_04Yes, a hundred percent. So, all right, question two, a shameless what does achieving something like graduating or reaching a milestone mean to you?
SPEAKER_02To me, um, to be able to get uh a GED um certificate, it makes me be proud of myself because I I did it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you did.
SPEAKER_02I made myself a promise and I kept that promise and I did what I said that I was gonna do. Um even my sister was in it. Uh she quit. I stayed in the game. It was kind of hard, but I I stayed in the game and just did what I had to do. Because I wasn't I'm not a quitter. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So 100%. You're very inspiring. Yeah. So Palmer, what does achieving something like graduating or reaching a milestone mean to you?
SPEAKER_05It gives me like probably a sense of pride, satisfaction, and confidence. Yeah. Um hundred percent. I.e. like maybe earn my master's, or like um, in my case, I actually do have a driver's license. Actually, so that gives me a sense of confidence and like looking back in the journey, it's like, okay, when you thought it was gonna be hard to get there, and look back, I'm like, wow, it just took some time, dedication, and practice. And it's like, it's not so hard when you look at it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, dude, and your path is so cool, like it's so cool. Like, you you literally were thinking, like, is college right for me six years later, like, dude, you go from an associate degree to a bachelor's degree to a master's degree, like, how cool was that? Heck yeah. And I I think like when you completed that first two years, like, you know what, this is easy. This is cake, and dude, that that that's awesome.
SPEAKER_05Even like living on my own, I really thought it was gonna be like because I had never lived on my own until like last year, actually. And it's like, wow, I I've really done it and I'm still growing and learning things, and I just continue to like find ways to like continue to like grow and learn as a person, actually.
SPEAKER_04That's the thing, too. Like the whenever we go over your apartment, there's never any issues at all. I mean, you keep that thing spotless. So thanks, man. Your future spouse is gonna be really, really lucky. You know what I mean? Living in a nice, clean, clean environment. So let me ask you this. So you have your license, right? So did you get your license out of high school or did you wait later down the road?
SPEAKER_05Um, I got my driver's license actually after high school. Actually, most people get it by sophomore and junior year, but I got it within my first year at Bright Point, actually. Very, very cool. So I've had that thing for I want to say almost 10 years now, actually.
SPEAKER_04Nice. I'll uh talk about Bright Point. That's actually where I learned to drive. Really? So when I when I got my learner's permit, I actually went with my mom and my stepdad, and we went to the Bright Point uh parking lot on a weekend. There was no cars in there. And I I remember driving down the hill, and instead of hitting the brake, I hit the gas and I turned and I about flipped our car over. So so let's so let's be grateful that I am here. But but oh man, so Palmer, that's awesome. That is awesome. All right, Oshama, question three. It's what would you say to someone who feels unsure of their path?
SPEAKER_02If you sh if you feel unsure of your path, never give up. Continue to do what you gotta do. If you fall, we all make mistakes, we all make mistakes, get up and try it again. It's like riding a bike.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02When I was learning how to ride a bike at eight years old, not ten and speed bike, it was a big bike, not a small bike. And I used to ride that bike, paddle, fall, get my knees cleaned up, get back on the road again, ride my bike, pop, paddle, fall, until I really got it. And so now I really know how to ride a bike. So there is an example. If I can learn how to ride a bike and do things and continue to do it, then you should be able to continue to do it too without giving up.
SPEAKER_04Yes, you're a hundred percent right. And one of my favorite quotes ever, and I use this a lot from a coaching perspective, right? So in life, I truly believe this. There's winners and there's learners, right? Because even if you lose a game, you learn from that experience, yeah, and you become better. Yeah, right. So you gotta always look at the positives, right? I didn't lose, I learned. Yeah, I learned. So next time, then I can better myself and I can approach this from a different angle and boom, there we go. We're better, right? Oh, yeah. So there's there's winners and there's what? Learners. Learners. There you go. Let's go. Palmer, what would you say to someone who feels unsure of their path?
SPEAKER_05Literally, to piggyback on what Ashama said, um, if you do happen to like stumble on your current path right now, whether you're in a trade or actually in like higher education, you do stumble, um, it can be like a billing block for you. Like, learn if you're really unsure of like certain things, um, don't be afraid to like ask for help and guidance. It's always okay to like ask for assistance. Always and as a last resort, I think, if that path you find yourself like not um working out in, it's okay to like um switch up. There's absolutely no shame. Like I can vividly remember when I was in high school, I actually was in like one of those um tech school programs. Actually, I was doing like a Cisco program, but I found myself I found it like a bit of a mismatch during my senior year. And then within like my first month, I did decide like um withdraw and just finish like a regular high school. And then I actually wanted to like become a physical therapist, but then one of the courses at Bright Point was actually having to take chemistry. And unfortunately, that was a topic I struggled mildly with. And then I said, Hey, you know what? I'm just gonna go for general studies, then I'll like transfer like my undergrad. Um, and I did sociology, and that was just something generally get behind. And then when it came time to like find like what could be like a realistic um job, um career that I could do, I've said, Hey, I'll just study recreational therapy because I loved working activities with like seniors and older adults. I love being with them. So it's like this has a lot of relevancy to like what I've been currently doing in my field, and yeah, that's why I chose that for my master's degree, and it's been almost two years now. So, ladies and gentlemen, do not do not be ashamed if you have to like change paths, and if you're current on your current path, just keep pushing forward, always ask for help.
SPEAKER_04And this is the thing too, guys. It's never too late to change your path. Exactly. It's never too late to change your path. So uh it doesn't matter what age you are, if you're 25, 30, 40. I mean, I I remember what yeah, a hundred. Uh I hope I'm not working when I'm a hundred. So, oh my gracious. But yeah, just just to kind of even you piggybacked off her, and now let me piggyback off you. Sure. I mean, kind of same thing. And I uh I mean, I I was also in a tech center program. So me and you live very similar lives. It's it's kind of it's it's kind of fun. We're learning a lot about each other right now, but I uh I was in a tech center program, I took homeland security. I really wanted to be an FBI agent or an investigator, and then I I went to the path I want to be a cop, and then I went to a path I want to be a sheriff deputy, and then I want to be a counselor, and I just kind of love talking to people, helping to people, and it kind of led me to this. And yeah, I mean, I my I love how my path worked, you know what I mean? And I I I've learned so much from my journey, and now I I feel like I'm exactly where I want to be. Like I love hanging out with y'all every day, I love hanging out with all my clients uh residents every day, and I mean it's just it's awesome, you know what I mean? But I had I had a I had a tough path to get here, yeah, right? But it's it's always gonna work out, yeah. It's always gonna work out.
SPEAKER_05I too like thought of like um law enforcement too at one point. Heck, I even thought of like serving the US Army because like my grandfather, um, God bless him, he's no longer with us, unfortunately, but he served in the army for almost four years during the Vietnam War. And I have like an uncle who's actually a Marine veteran during um Afghanistan, I believe, during the Gulf War. And where I currently work now, funny enough, I'm actually in working a healthcare center that actually serves military veterans.
SPEAKER_04That is cool. Wow, that is really, really cool. Well, may your grandfather rest in peace and yeah, thank you for his service.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, my dad um when he graduated from high school, he came down here to Virginia and he was a um a veteran at Fort Lee. Nice, nice. And he's been there since he was 18 years old, and he passed away, so we have his flag. My baby brother has his flag, so we will always remember all the veterans that was um that is still living, and the ones that is not living. We still honor them because they did a great job.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they did 100%. So they will they do an exceptional job for a country. They put life and they put their lives on the line. Yes, they do. And God bless them for all we what they do. And I think it's important to like give back to like um veterans, especially those who might need a hand. Um like they deserve our 100% utmost support.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and it sounds like you're really passionate about this stuff too. So it's cool that now like your career is kind of landed at hey, you're giving back to veterans every single day.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and funny enough, um, where I currently work is actually where my papa has stayed in his like final couple years of life before he passed away. That's awesome. Man, that is awesome.
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, my dad was in the uh veterans. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_04So your dad, thank thank you for your service and may he rest in peace. Yeah, yeah. So all right, well, all right, let's lighten up the mood a little bit, guys. Time to lighten up the mood a little bit. Palmer and Shamma both love video games, so we want to throw a little fun question in there. So, Ashama, we'll start with you. Why do you like video games? And what is your favorite games?
SPEAKER_02I like video games because video games it gives you something to do. Yep. So you don't get bored, so you don't argue with nobody or you know, do stuff that you wouldn't want to do. So um I've been playing video games for a long time. Um like um Sega Genesis, um uh Crash Bandit. My favorite, and I still play Crash Bandit, that's on my Xbox. Um I I love Wheel of Fortune.
SPEAKER_04Wheel of Fortune.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, and Jeopardy, you know, all the stuff that's on.
SPEAKER_04I'm so bad at Jeopardy.
SPEAKER_02Sometimes I be good at Jeopardy, sometimes I be bad at Jeopardy, so it depends, but it's uh it's just fun. But my favorite game is GTA 5 and uh 2K 24, 25. Yeah, nice, you know, because I love to play basketball, so yeah, I got a lot of favorite games. That's I got about like 51 games on my Xbox.
SPEAKER_04Dude, I mean me and my wife, we love watching the game show network, and whenever Jeopardy's on, like we're watching it, it's cool, but like I almost want to like test myself like all right, how many questions can I get right? Right, I swear maybe one, maybe one in like the third.
SPEAKER_02You know what else is a good thing, but it's on the phones. What family feuds?
SPEAKER_04I am a dog at Family Feud at Game Show Network. If you're listening, I let me get on the show. I'll take all your money and I'll win that car. So I I am a dog at Family Food. We should all go on Family Feud, that'd be sick, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that'd be fun.
SPEAKER_04That would be awesome.
SPEAKER_02That'd be that'd be super fun.
SPEAKER_05That would be awesome. So what's funny is that where I work, that's actually like one of the games we will I sometimes will like play with some residents, actually. Yeah, that is awesome, Palmer.
SPEAKER_04That's awesome. All right, Palmer. Why do you like video games and what is your favorite games?
SPEAKER_05Um, my reason for why I love video games so much is because I think it gives me like an opportunity to like escape from like reality at times. Yeah, it's a hundred percent. A huge break. For me, like you were saying earlier, gaming its life, I consider it also like a hobby too.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Um, it also can be like a benef a benefit because it can like let you. Challenge your mind, be like, all right, what's the game telling me on like how to accomplish this? And like it allows you to like be creative. And as far as like favorite video games, that's a bit of like a loaded question. Cause like I've been playing video games, I think, since I was a child, like ever since the PlayStation 2. Heck, I even like played on the Nintendo 64 that my dad had. Yeah. So I've played, I've played the Gol Nine Nintendo 64, the older Mario games. My favorite childhood game of all time, I would I want to say it's the Star Wars Battlefront games from 2004 and 2005. I've loved those because I'm a huge Star Wars fan also. And then as far as like modern games, that's a tough one, but I want to like narrow down to like either like the Fallout franchise or especially like the Far Cry franchise. My game specifically, I love Far Cry 5. Yes, and probably Fallout 4, New Vegas, and New Vegas was good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna jump in and answer this question too, because I love video games. And Palmer called me out. He said, I said gaming his life, and yes, I did. I absolutely love video games, they are awesome, they're a way to unwind. Like we live such crazy lives. The world is such a crazy place, let's be honest. And there's nothing better than coming home, getting in front of my TV, and just like you said, escaping reality. You know what I mean? Just locking in, and some of my favorite games. Like I started even before you, brother. I uh you said you started PS2, PS1 for me. And I uh I remember being a kid, and it was this one game on PS1, it was Power Rangers. I think it was Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, and I love that game. And I mean, I'll literally I'll literally even go YouTube videos, like go YouTube like nostalgia, and then so Nintendo 64. I also played, but I also had a Super Nintendo Donkey Kong Country 2 where me and me and Megan, my sister, we would literally they had a roller coaster level and we just played the roller coaster level nonstop, like it was so fun. And then I'll and I even call this like I mean I still play Call of Duty to this day, but when I was in middle school, Modern Warfare 2 came out in 2009. That is my favorite game of all time.
SPEAKER_05I also I also forgot to mention I also like loved the Lego Star Wars games growing up. Yes, and it's strange because like I never actually like play with like Legos, but I just love the Lego video games for some reason, just because I love the little cartoony fun parody takes on like the movies and such. I also loved the Uncharted.
SPEAKER_04Uncharted games are amazing.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's more of a linear experience, linear. But it's so good. So good. I love Open World and I love linear storytelling games. And now I'm now I'm just MOB the show. I mean, that's really all I play. I mean, I I'll touch like some uh story-driven games like Alan Wake 2 was amazing, but like MLB the show, I just love baseball. I'm such a baseball guy. I mean, I can sit there and play there, play that all weekends.
SPEAKER_02I played baseball, I couldn't even hit a ball.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, oh, it's hard. It's hard.
SPEAKER_02That's why they call it it's hard on the game because I had it on then. I tried to swing. I could never swing and hit that ball. I said, you know what? Forget baseball.
SPEAKER_04You sound like my buddy Parker. That's how he is. No, I'm just kidding. Parker's the streamer that streams and will be the show. Hey, shout out Park, shout out Park, go give him a stream.
SPEAKER_05So you you will have no idea how many times I've been called Parker. Really? Yeah. And I've also um played EA NHL, actually.
SPEAKER_04So when you start a club, yeah. All right, well, guys, that wraps up for today. Any closing statements of Shamel?
SPEAKER_02My closing statement is I hope what we have said has really touched y'all. Mm-hmm and to think not to give up and continue to do what you gotta do. Because once you give up and you throw in the towel, then you're not gonna want to think about it no more. But never give up and continue to follow your dreams. Because the things that you're doing, you're doing of your dreams. So you don't want to stop your dreams, you want to continue to live your dreams.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, 100%. That was beautiful.
SPEAKER_05Palmer, closing statement. Um thank you guys for having me on for today. 100%. It was an honor to be here, and maybe we'll see you guys again in the near future. Um, anyway, I just want to say like kind of like what Stromas says, never give up. It's okay to like ask for help. And there is absolutely no shame if you find yourself needing a change. Yes, whether you're a teenager, whether you've just become an adult in your 20s, even if you're like older, like 30s or 40s, there is absolutely no shame if you need like a change in your like your path, whether it's like your career or like even like in your personal life, keep pushing forward, never give up, and absolutely no shame in always asking for help and give glory to God.
SPEAKER_04Yes, sir. Yep. So hey, fantastic, fantastic, fantastic closing statement right there, Palmer. All right, now my time to go, guys. I'm just so grateful for all the listeners, like I said earlier, just so grateful. And seeing that 155-star reviews by our name on Spotify. I mean, it just it just fires me up, and just like the brand that we built the last 10 weeks. I mean, it's awesome. Like a couple weeks ago, we did uh QA from the fans and just hearing some of the stories from our fans, like Ashama said, Y'all are inspiring us. And now, today, I mean, we miss Robbie. He Robbie is awesome, he is killing it. But just having Palmer on the show and just learning things from even a different perspective, I mean, that is awesome. And I am just so happy with where this where this brand is, what the inside our minds podcast has become. And I I just couldn't be more grateful. I am so so so so grateful, and just thank y'all so very much. So I think that wraps us up. Yep, yeah. So, with everybody from inside our minds, we hope you have a great week. Yeah, have a great weekend.