Hot Girl Archetypes Pt. 2

In this episode of Hot Girl Psychology, Deanna and Emahlea continue to make psychological history with their concept of hot girl archetypes. Based on Jungian archetypes, these are roles we step into at specific times in our lives. They are characters we play. They are coping mechanisms. They are trauma responses in costume. Together, the girlies explore these different archetypes - what they’re perceived to be, what their shadow is, how they’re fetishized, and how to be an empowered version. Do you know what your hot girl archetype is? Listen to find out. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

The quantum girly.

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We didn't quantum girly. Yes.

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Yes. I wanna I wanna coin ferret girly, which was we were talking anything about before. Oh my god, yeah. Because I'm like, you've heard of horse girls. Have you heard of ferret girls? I am a ferret girl.

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Welcome to ferret girl psychology.

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We're a ferret girl. My inner child just jizzed.

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Psychology. Hot girl psychology. Welcome to Hot Girl Psychology. We're a Girls Girl podcast where attractiveness meets attachment wounds.

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Here at Hot Girl Psychology, we believe that the darkest parts of your mind are the sexiest.

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I'm Emily. I'm a startup founder and CEO, and I put the psycho in psychonutritionist.

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And I'm Deanna. I'm a clinical psychotherapist, public dark romance author, and recovering people pleaser. I treat trauma by day and I live it by night. What's up, girlies? Self-care is so oversaturated, but it's so important. It's literally the most important thing. And I I talk about it with I talk about self-care. I also talk about balance all the time with clients of being, you know, there are a lot of clients that don't want to self-care because they don't want to be lazy and they want to be able to achieve their dreams and work towards goals and succeed in all of those things. Um, but then there is that balance with self-care and not just the self-care that is um objectively good for you because uh things like things like meditating, things like eating healthy, things like showering, you know, these are things that are objectively good for us. We do them. We also like kind of need to do them.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Um, and then there are things of just pure enjoyment. That's also really important.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Absolutely. Yeah. What do you consider to be pure enjoyment for yourself? So you said like reading a book in the park.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Yes, reading a book in the park. I I love being outside. I love being in nature. Um and going on walks is a big one, which you know, it's exercise. And so it's good for you, but I do genuinely like it.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Um, because sometimes we have those self-care things that like aren't enjoyable at first or they're not very appealing, and then we do them and then we feel great. I genuinely love to walk and I collect rocks. That's why I was just talking about how I'm I am a rock girl. The rock girl. Rock girly. Um, because I I collect them and then I paint them.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

My god, you're like a you're you could be like a little penguin and give all your pebbles to yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Okay, so I do that. So whenever, whenever uh otters too, they collect rocks and then they have this little pouch in like their stomach that they put them in and just like keep them and just swim around with rocks all day. That's so cute. I love so fun. I know I love otters. Um I'm also otter girl. I mean, everyone's otter girl. You're not like you're you're a psycho, don't talk to me. Um but uh uh yeah, I whenever Jake and I go on walks, I always want to collect every rock that I see, but then they're like too heavy for me to walk with. So he always just carries all my rocks for me. We'll we'll go back and he has like 40 pounds of rocks in his arms.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

Wow.

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Um it's like he lives to serve.

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Yes, but uh what about you? What are things that feel just completely enjoyable and like pure and utter peace for you?

SPEAKER_02 3:36

I really like um I like getting eight hours of sleep. Yes, as much as humanly possible. Um, I love just yapping. I mean, literally this podcast, like it's it's just a hobby. Yeah. Just chatting about, you know, like it's a little directed, but it's still a hobby. I love going out to eat. I love you. I fucking love it. Because you're such a foodie. I'm such a foodie. Yeah, I know. I'm obsessed with good food. I'm obsessed with like like good food and interesting food. Um, so I love to go out to eat. I I eat like a fucking founder. I I just maximize my, well, one, maximizing my consciousness. Um, and two, maximizing my cod cognition, and three, maximizing my health. And that's it. And I don't really care unless I'm going out to eat, which is why I love going out to eat.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Sounds like more mindful eating than a diet.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. It's also just like just here's how I can get the most out of my diet without having to think too hard about it. Yeah. Um yeah, it's definitely not a diet at all, but it's I would call it the founder diet. It's like a founder lifestyle diet.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

When you said a founder diet, I I forgot that you're talking about being like the founder of a company. I was thinking of like a founding father. Founding a founding father of like like a colonial, like a colonial man. I'm like, is it because you eat standing up?

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Loki I do though. Um I used to have I I am a founding father. I used to have a uh my license plate for a really long time said I'm daddy. Of course. Yeah, it was just like a power thing. It was like a like I'm I run this shit kind of thing. Because I do.

SPEAKER_04 5:09

Yeah.

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Yeah. I drive a fast little why ha why hide it? No, never, never ever. I run this shit. So yeah, and other things that I like to do. Um, I love to travel and I love to be pretty. So I invest a lot of time in being pretty. Um, because it just makes me happy to look at myself and think, oh, I did that. How nice. Yeah. Um I just I love like socializing. Yeah. And shopping.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

So are you more of an extrovert? Sorry. An extrovert than an introvert.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Yes, a little bit of both, but primarily extroverted.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Yeah. Yeah. I I was talking to somebody about this recently. It was a couple, actually. Um, you know, one's an one partner is an introvert, one per partner is an extrovert, and a lot of times you'll see that in couples and they can't really understand each other. And at least to me, what I define introvert versus extroverted as is an introvert, it doesn't mean that they don't like to socialize, but socializing depletes their energy. Yes. Yeah. And then an extrovert, socializing gives them energy. For me, because I consider myself an introvert, not meaningful conversation is what drains my battery. I hate small talk. I'm not good at it. I I don't do that. Um, and and there are some times that I'll have friends that apologize to me and they're just like, I'm sorry that you had to be my therapist tonight because I was talking about X, Y, and Z. And I was like, no, I would rather talk about this than talk about fucking nothing. Yeah. Or talk about the weather or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Just like what you've had going on this week.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if if I didn't want to play therapist, I wouldn't.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

So nobody ever needs to apologize for for that for me. Or if I did it and then was upset about it, it's my fault.

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Yeah. That's real.

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Because I'm yeah, I I'm in complete control of that. And I have been guilty of that, of just like going home feeling really, really depleted after hanging out with somebody. I was like, I didn't need to do that. I I could have redirected the conversation. I didn't need to, you know, I I didn't need to step into that role. It was a choice. Yes. You know, I love that. Yeah. Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

And agency is so hot.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Yes. And then you gotta take accountability for if you go home, you leave a social situation feeling bad, you do need to kind of say, like, what did I do? What boundaries did I allow somebody to cross? Or what like doors did I open that I didn't want to open? You know, absolutely because most people don't know your boundaries. So how do they know if they're crossing them if you don't make them clear?

SPEAKER_02 7:44

That is so true.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Yeah. I feel like my boundaries are like unequivocally clear all the time because I learned very quickly that if you don't put up boundaries, uh, they will be found. They will be, they will be located real fucking fast. Same thing with like clients. Like I have extraordinary boundaries with my clients um because I just can't, I just don't have the capacity to not have boundaries. Like I know that I have very, very um I allocate my resources like a budget, you know, like my emotional and cognitive resources. And um if I don't have space for it, then I don't really have space for it. And that's like good. So I don't really let people kind of like unless I don't know. I guess historically some partners have kind of taken some extra resources from me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

But outside of that, well, that's how you learn what your boundaries are. You most of our boundaries that we have, we learn the hard way.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

Yeah, that is so true. Yeah, because like why would you need them otherwise, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Right. How would you even know that they exist? Right. And somebody when somebody tries to give you unsolicited advice, usually it's coming from like that good place of being like, Hey, I don't want you to make this mistake. You should put up a boundary, or you know, but yeah, you you're not gonna listen to them. Yeah, you have to learn the hard way.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

It's pretty bad. Yeah, it can be pretty bad. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Um, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yeah, I love that. Um, also, so for everybody, in case you haven't caught on, Emily and I's catchphrase is I love that. In our first episode, we didn't mean to, but it was about like 40 times that we collectively said, I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Yeah, like so much.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

So that's just our thing. And one day when we do merch, I think we should have yeah, yeah, no, vegetables.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Absolutely. It's the new that's hot.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yes, that's what I think of Paris Hilton.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

No, like yeah, we're like Paris Hilton. Like literally, we are dark Paris and Nicole. Like, actually.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yeah, like I love that secret.

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I love that. I love that.

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I love that. We're not gonna say who's who because obviously we both want to be Paris. So I swear to God, man. Paris Hilton and like Kim Kardashian ran so that women like me could fucking walk. Yeah, like for real. Yeah, and I can't believe I like I just am so blown away by how like these women with like money and beauty just fucking conquered so hard. Yeah, so smart.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Yeah, brilliant. They they really are, they're brilliant. They also got into a market and did something different. Yes, even though they might not be traditionally seen as geniuses, they are.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Yeah, they are fucking brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

They played the game better than the rest of you motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

So fucking literally. They all did. No, literally, and like all they had to do to start like when I say that they ran so we could walk, what I really mean by that is like they released like sex tapes to get themselves out there and then just did fucking quiet, brilliant shit afterwards. They got the publicity, they made themselves look stupid, they made themselves look like just like vapid and like you know, just plastic and whatever. And then in the background, they're like building a fucking empire. Like it's insane.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

So then it's still fucking working. In other words, they died for our sins.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

They literally did. They literally, they are the mythical archetypes.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Okay. So our topic for today is hot girl archetypes.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Part two. Part two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. So for those who are listening, hot girl archetypes are based on the concept of like Jungian archetypes, so Carl Jun. Um, and they are just essentially parts and pieces of us that are able to persist throughout generations. So they are something that the common humanity shares, the common collective unconscious, um, and it's like the little parts of us that come out across humanity. So we developed the concept of hot girl archetypes, which is part of the hot girl psychology index. And it uh we're releasing them every once in a while.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah. Yes. So hot girl archetypes, we did come up with it. It is a phrase that we coined. We did. Why I love that. In case you were confused. Um JK.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Yes. Nobody would ever be confused about us.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Yeah. I they they are based on Carl Jung's archetypes. So they're innate structures and behaviors that all humans have. It's the collective unconscious, and it which is a deep layer of the psyche that all humans share. And so these archetypes, they're universal patterns, but I also like to think of them as characters. Yeah. Almost.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

They're like almost mythical. Yes, right. So like the the archetypes that you probably know the most of, like the of Carl Jung would be like the divine feminine and the divine masculine. Those are common ones that we think about. Yes. The animus, which is like the more kind of animalistic side of us. Um, the magician, which is kind of like the person who's like making things happen, the alchemist, person who turns their pain into beauty in some way, pain into meaning. Um, but we all do these things in different times of our lives. We all embody these at different times of our lives.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

So we wear them, kind of, you know.

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It's like wearing somebody's skin.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

It it really is like wearing somebody's skin. And your ancestor's skin. To be honest, I honestly feel like archetypes are just trauma responses in costume.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Beautiful way to put it. I love I actually love that.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

I'm gonna write that down. So they're roles that we play based on our trauma, our fears, um, just being human in general, and they are a coping mechanism. Yeah. That is why we wear these skins.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Yeah, yes, it's like it's a coping mechanism to wear someone else's skin.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Yeah, for sure.

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Write that down.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Um, but yeah, so there are so many different archetypes. And so Carl Jung, he had 12, I guess, basic archetypes. Yeah. Um, but his whole thing was, you know, you can create your own archetypes, which is pretty much what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

That's precisely what we're doing.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Um, and so you so other like the caregiver, the creator, the orphan. I think we talked a little bit about the hero, um, the explorer. All of these are parts of the collective unconscious, and they are almost characters that you play roles that you step into. And so, hawk girl archetypes, it's a similar concept. They are characters that we embody at certain periods of our lives as a way to deal with trauma, with fear, or even just being a woman in this world. Yeah, and so they are youngin' archetypes, but make them hot. Yes. Because there also is just such a host of complexity that comes with being a hot girl.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

It really, really does. And so our previous episode, we touched on the cool girl, the siren, the queen.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Yes. Yeah, the lover girl we talked about, femme fatal, the nurturer, the emo girl. I think I think that's about it. Yeah. But we we talk about what these archetypes are kind of stereotypically, like what they are on the surface, what they seem to be, and then we get into the deeper of it all, the shadow of it all, and we say what they actually are, maybe what they want, what they fear. Yes. We talk about how they're fetishized often by men by the media.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Absolutely.

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And then we tell you kind of how you can be a more evolved version of this and an empowered version of this because we also talked about how some of these archetypes are more primal than others, and some are more evolved than others. Yes, but each one has the potential to be great. Absolutely. And none of these are good or bad.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

None of these archetypes are good or bad. They're not meant to put you in a box at all. All they are meant to do is help you understand yourself and understand why you might embody different personas at specific times in your life. Yeah. And what coping mechanism that is, and also how we pretty much share the same traumas and therefore share the same coping mechanisms. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Yeah. Yeah. It's the the hot girl archetypes are really interesting because they everyone does them at least once, all of them. Like there's little periods and pockets of time in your life or bigger periods of your life that you embody like well, for example, the queen or the siren or the um the cool girl or the lover girl, or it's things like that. So those were the first six that we came up with. Um, and we have six more for you today. So Deanna, would you like to start?

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yeah, I can start. Okay. Okay. So my first one is the basic girl.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

The basic girl.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

We all know her.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

We do.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

We all know her. She has so many different stereotypes. Yeah. And I actually feel like this archetype changes forms throughout the years. And because she very much is what's popular, is what's trendy. Yeah. And that looks different. So basic girl in the 50s looks very different from basic girl today. Yeah. Even basic girl in 2018 looks very different from basic girl today. Yeah. But so to me, current basic girl, the stereotype of her is like she wears Lululemon. Yeah. She likes her pumpkin spice. Absolutely. She quotes The Office like it's an Orson Wells film. She makes loving dogs her whole personality. She loves TikTok. She loves trends. She follows anything that's popular. She's a follower. Absolutely. More than anything else. And so she's known to be very surface level.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

And that she lacks originality. Yeah. And she doesn't go deep and she doesn't have strong opinions. She doesn't have big feelings or strong opinions.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

She doesn't have big feelings or strong opinions.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Similar to the cool girl in some ways of that kind of self-erasure. Yeah. And um, but so I think that she's very fetishized, especially by men, because she seems easy. Yes. She seems simple. Yes. Or almost like a blank canvas that you can do anything with.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Which is leaving her really vulnerable. Yes. Yes. She's very vulnerable.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And I think that people like this archetype because it doesn't seem intense. It seems lighthearted, you know, nonchalant. And because she doesn't have big feelings, maybe people think she doesn't have any feelings. And you know, and so or she doesn't show big feelings. Everybody has big feelings. They're just either tapped into it or they're not, or they're hiding it, or they're not. But so the shadow of this archetype. So what's really going on? One of two things. Yes. So number one is that basic girl is truly basic in that she has a very underdeveloped self-concept.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

And uh she has a deep fear of darkness, yeah, so she keeps it on the surface.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

So that she doesn't have to go there. She doesn't need to feel pain if she keeps it on the surface. And I think just being basic is easier for her. Yeah. Because she doesn't need to confront the dark the darkness, but also not having big feelings, not having strong opinions, uh, makes it a lot less likely for her to get rejected and abandoned, which is what most of us fear at our core. So it makes sense why a basic girl would choose to be basic girl and why somebody would choose to embody this. But so the second the second shadow of this to me is that on the converse, basic girl is actually not so basic.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

And she is seen as basic because she's actually not seen at all. She does have a developed self-concept and she is very interesting, but the people around her are just choosing not to see it.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

And she's surrounded by uh the wrong people, or also maybe she doesn't feel safe to show them these sides of her, these deeper, these more interesting sides of her.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

And this is something that I that I've realized recently because I do have a client like this who is so cool and so interesting and so uh sweet, and she's she really is just the best. And the people around her suck. And they don't see it. And she's she's just very unseen, unheard. So I feel like That's also a possibility for a basic girl, is that she's actually not basic, she's just seen that way because people truly aren't seeing her. Right. Um, but so if we're talking about an empowered version of this archetype, there is nothing wrong with simplicity. There is nothing wrong with following trends, there is nothing wrong with scrolling, there's nothing wrong with liking what you like. We all like pumpkin spice. We all like we all like the office, we all like dogs. They're objectively good things. Just because they're popular doesn't make them bad. You're allowed to like what you like. That being said, make sure that you develop a self-concept. Yeah. And live according to your genuine likes and your values and prioritize that versus just what's popular.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

You know? Yeah. So and find out what makes you unique. Most of us do have things that make us unique and we just haven't explored it. We haven't tapped into it. Yes. And that's the self-concept piece of it. If you if you just do a lot of self-concept work, some deep self-exploration. I'm not saying that it's fun. Sometimes it's not.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

No, it's terrible, but it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yeah, it's 100% worth it.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

So painful, but so worth it.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Another thing that can make this an empowered archetype is surrounding yourself with the right people. Exactly. Surrounding yourself with the people that will genuinely see you and hear you and see that you are unique and see that you are an individual.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

And love all of those things.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

And also just like match your energy, right? Like most of the people who are basic girls like don't actually get to know their own energy because they're so suppressed.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

And they're trying to match other people's energy versus which is why they're always depleted. Yes. Yes. They're trying to match other people's energy because I do think that the a part of the basic girl also is wanting to be liked, wanting to fit in. So which makes sense. Most of us do want to be liked. Most of us do want to fit in. And that's not a bad thing. But you can there's a difference between being adaptable and fitting in, fitting into a box. Yes. You know, be adaptable, meet people where they're at, but don't compromise who you are. Yeah. And you need to know who you are in order to not compromise who you are.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

So that's the most important part to me. Basic girl, just get to know who you are.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Yeah. And don't listen to what your parents told you you are. Yes. Because they're probably wrong, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Or what anybody tells you that you are. But especially. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Or caregivers, whatever they are.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

They're they're almost always wrong.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

They're like, yeah, like 99% of the time, unfortunately. Um, but they're just trying to help you, you know, even though a lot of parents are like really not helpful. But you know, basic is safe, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yeah, basic is safe.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Because you know, like this is so this is socially acceptable. I can like these things.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Exactly. And I do think that we might try to, or we might just naturally embody or fall into this archetype when we have a deep need for safety.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Ab so fucking.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

And it's like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that takes priority versus being unique and an individual. But just make sure that you get to know who you are and try to fall in love with yourself.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

I love that.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Um, okay. What is your next archetype that you have for us?

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Okay. I'm gonna start with the mystic girl. So the mystic girl is like witchy. She's like always interested in just kind of seeing the spiritual side of things. She's always kind of like seeking enlightenment and cleansing and ritual. She loves her sage. She loves her crystals, she loves her like rituals and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Um you coming for me right now. I feel like you're trying to come.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

A little bit.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

I am I am witchy girl FOIA. I know you are.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

I'm um, I think I'm heading there. I think I'm I think I'm headed in that direction.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

I feel like you've become more witchy since since I've gotten to know you.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

I like low key think I have to. It's like actually weird because I I'm not doing it on purpose. It's just where I'm naturally gravitating to. It happens. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's I it's like cosmic-y witchy kind of thing. But I definitely have long black hair and I wear a lot of black now. So well, I've always worn a lot of black. Um so the witchy girl is just very like she she lives, she's one foot in her body, one foot in her spiritual world, right? So she's like constantly embodying and being in the spirit, embodying being in her spirit, um, back and forth and back and forth between the two. And so she's very heart. And one of her shadows is she tends to wear her heart on her sleeve, similar to the lover girl. Yeah. Because like the spirit is really rooted in the heart, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

So that's so true. Actually, there are people that I know that embody this archetype way more than I do. And they are, it's almost like they're not self-protective enough sometimes because they they do wear their heart on this, their sleeve. Exactly. They expect everybody to want the same genuine deep connection that they do. And a lot of people don't, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Wait, because a lot of people like it's a form of enlightenment, but it's also it can be in its shadow a form of avoidance, right? So yeah, absolutely, because you're kind of like not going into the body more. And so the like wis the witchy, the mystic, like she's just constantly like pulling metaphors out of thin air that are like so for some reason true and coherent, yet also if you've never touched on that, they are so off-putting. Yeah. Um, and so like that's the thing. But she's so her like her desire is to like connect, right? Her desire is to be connected, but she's throwing her connection out everywhere. She can freak people out. Oh my god, can she ever? Yeah, right. You know, I mean, Joan of Arc got burned at the fucking stake. Yeah. She because I love her. We love that. Um, yeah, but like that's the thing. Like, you know, she's gonna get like we'll get our little heads chopped off at some point, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Yeah. But maybe. Paraselton Kim Kardashian, Joan of Arc.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

We forgot her when we were talking about that. How could we? Um, like truly, like it's uh it the mystic girl, she's like, she's she also probably smokes some weed. Um she also, you know, like probably does shrooms at the festivals and shit like that. Because I mean, get enlightened, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

Um, but she's she is seeking like her own form of enlightenment, right? And so the empowered version of her is enlightened. The empowered version of her, like, knows to not curse her own future, curse her own self, curse the others around her, but instead like figure out where her blessings are. And this is like getting into that spiritual side of things, figure out where her blessings are and actually connect to them, right? Figure out where she's able to bring blessing to the world around her without sacrificing her safety.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

So being really in who she is and being connected both to her body and her spirit and her mind, because that tends to also be a little bit under um utilized if she's never really like gone on kind of an existential journey because she's again one foot in the body, one foot in the spirit.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Right. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

So the the true like embodied or the true empowered witchyness is like triangular in that it's the mind, body, spirit.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. So what would an empowered version of this archetype look like to you?

SPEAKER_02 29:49

So coherent, right? So like the the soul, mind, body are all aligned. The like understanding of the internal and the external makes sense. There's coherence between the internal and the external. Um, the embodied version of this is somebody who projects their love and their light outward as opposed to living in their darkness. Um, because the darkness has a purpose always, but more often than not, once you've like alchemized your pain, it becomes light pretty much across the board. And so for somebody who's like witchy and mystic, um, she's using her skills, her faith, her belief, her spirituality, her enlightenment, her soul to bring others to that as well. Right. Like she also acts kind of as like a portal for that.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

For which for you, like if you're this witchy type, part of the reason why you're empowered is because you're a therapist. You know, like that's the portal.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

I do think that it's probably better that way for the most part, versus putting blind faith into spells and things like that. And I'm a big believer that anything can be a spell, any thought, yeah, any uh a birthday wish is a spell, a prayer is a spell. They're all the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Yeah, yeah. And I I feel like um, like for me, my witchiness is a lot of just like it's it's almost like meditative, like it's just a lot of meditations. I just meditate a ton. Like I'm just constantly meditating and like you know, psilocybin and all that stuff. It's just like like that shit. I'm like the I don't know what you call that one.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

I think that if you were a witch, you'd be a cosmic witch. That's what I was gonna say. Like a cosmic girl. Cosm cosmic witches are um, I'm eclectic because I of course I see it's the same thing as a therapist. I'm like, they're all they're all amazing. Um but cosmic witches are uh they they do pay a lot of attention to the moon. They might pay a lot of attention to uh the zodiac as well and astrology, not necessarily, but um they do believe in the forces of nature and physics. Um and I'm a quantum witch. A quantum witch, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Okay, yeah. I'm like obsessed with like quantum mechanics and yeah, manifestation meditation.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Yeah, the quantum girly.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

We didn't quantum girly.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yes, yeah, yes. I want to I want to coin ferret girly, which was we were talking about before. Oh my god, yeah. Because I'm like, you've heard of horse girls. Have you heard of ferret girls? I am a ferret girl. Welcome to ferret girl psychology. We're a ferret. Oh my gosh. Oh, my inner child just jizzed. That was the best thing that I ever could have done for my inner child. I literally just had like a flashback to her and in the ferret room. Yeah, so we had a ferret room. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Um that's so extra.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Yeah, I had a whole red room. Yeah. Who needs a guest room when you can have a red room?

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Literally the most Deanna should have ever heard. Yeah, I love that so much. Yeah. I love that. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

I love that. Okay, what's your number two?

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Okay. So my number two is ferret girl.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Is ferret girl. JK.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

My second archetype is the good girl.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

The good girl. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

This is such a common one. Love to hear the good girl. So I needed to do this one because I this is such a common one. I have so many thoughts about it.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

But we also we see this archetype across media, books, yeah, movies. She's oftentimes the main character. She's like the virgin, yeah, like character. And then she either falls in love and lives happily ever after, or she like gets corrupted. Yeah. And those are her two options.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

That's like all she gets. Yes. Two choices. That's why you point. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Yes. Um, but so the good girl, she's uh pure, she's nice to everyone, nice, not necessarily kind, nice, nice, nice, she's innocent, she can be naive. Yeah, she is soft and warm, and she always does the right thing. You know, and she a lot of times when we see this portrayed in the media, she will make the male main character want to be a better person.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Yeah, but that's like not actually always the case in real life.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

No, not at all. Not at all.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Definitely in the media because they're like, we want all the girls to be good girls, but then in real life.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Also, in real life, women don't exist to just make men better. However, in movies they do. Manic Pixie Dream Girl. That's that's that whole that is that whole belief. Do you know what the Bechtel test is? Of course I know what the Bechtel test is. I was a screenwriting major. It is it is that a a movie has to have an entire scene in which it's just women and they are talking about something that is anything else other than a man.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

That is the Bechtel test. And if it passes, means they didn't talk about a man.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

And so the first movie to ever pass that was called The Women.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Oh my God, I didn't know that. Yeah. Wow. That's hot girl psychology.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

That's hot girl psychology. Yeah. Um, so actually, these archetypes, too. I I feel like I I very much studied a lot of screen archetypes as a screenwriting major. Yeah. So femme fatale was a huge one. The good girl was a huge one.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

In a film noirs, there were always archetypes, and usually always there was the femme fatale and the good girl. And the man always won in the end. So it didn't really matter. Of course. Um, but usually the femme fatale was thought or it could be siren, either, either way. They're they're and they're pretty similar, but they would usually be the one that loses and be seen as evil and demonized. And then the good girl was just like so pure good and pure and pure, and either the guy would end up with her or um he wouldn't, but either way he would somehow win.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Um yeah, absolutely. And she she wouldn't really, because she either she'd end up with a shitty male that only cared about himself, or she'd end up alone.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

So women basically didn't exist for some reason up until like recently.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Up until like just now.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Like actually, yeah, like low-key, like so sorry, girls. We know you're there, we know we're here, but the men.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Yes. To me, the good girl is one of the most fetishized archetypes. Yeah. I have so many thoughts about this being fetishized because I feel like I have been in a silent war with this archetype. Okay. Like forever. Okay. Because it was something I always wanted to embody and be seen as the good girl. Okay. And I could never hack it.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Um, and I think I I really just wanted to be innocent and pure. Yeah. And to be seen that way, and I am not, and I haven't been for a really long time.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

And that's okay. Radical acceptance. Yeah. But it it took me a long time to be okay with that, to radically accept that fact. Yeah. I I feel like I actually tried really hard to embody this archetype in my late teens and early 20s specifically. I got this obsessive need to prove that I was a good person.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

I don't know if it was to everybody else or if it was to myself, but I I feel like the fact that you became an existential therapist says that it was to yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

To yourself through everyone else.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

Through everybody else, yeah. External validation of it. External validation because I I see myself through the lens of other people's eyes. Yeah. But I I got obsessive about this need to prove that I was a good person. And I reflected on it fairly recently in the last few few years of that time in my life. And I was asking the question of like, where did this obsession come from?

SPEAKER_03 38:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Where where did this need come from? Because there did I need to prove that I wasn't a bad person? Because there was no evidence to support that I would have been a bad person. The only person I had ever hurt was myself. So by my morals and ethics, I wouldn't have been a bad person. So I was like, what was I trying to prove? And I realized again in the recent years upon reflection and trauma processing that I associated being a good person with being a pure and innocent person.

SPEAKER_03 39:06

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

And I wasn't that. So in turn, I wasn't a good person. But the the pure and innocent thing was taken from me.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

When I was so young, and then just continued to be taken. Um but that's actually that is a huge theme of the the book that that I'm coming out with, Confessions of a Sugar Baby. The main character uh her name is Serena, and she's the opposite of the good girl archetype. She's the siren. She's the siren archetype. That's why I named her Serena, Serena the Siren. Serena the Siren.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

But so she is Serena the Siren.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Yeah. But so she is the opposite of the good girl. And the biggest themes of the book are one, that innocence is just a lack of experience. And who wants that? So why the fuck do we fetishize it? Two is that innocence is a luxury.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

And not everybody is lucky enough to still have it.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

And for some of us, it is taken. For a lot of people, innocence is taken from them and it's not a choice. No. And survivors of essay, I'll say. Survivors of essay and abuse will know exactly what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Yeah. Oh, girl, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

When you have that type of violation at any age, but especially when you're young.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Something is taken, something feels gone.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

And what is left in its place feels dirty. Yeah. Like you could scrub and scrub and scrub and you will never be clean again.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

It's a stain. I used to feel like a stain. When I was processing through it, it felt like a stain that I couldn't erase.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

It's a stain that you can't erase.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

It's something that everyone can see and it's why I'm back.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Yes. To me, it feels like branding. Yeah. Like a branded piece of flesh. Yeah. And people can fucking smell the burning flesh light on your face on your face. Yes. Yeah. No, it's like it's it's yeah. Oh my god. It's like men see that and then they're like, my turn.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Oh. That just stabbed me in the heart. That's literally that that was really that was intense.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

It's fucked, it's fucked up. Sorry, I'm the emo girl.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

No, no, no, that was good. That was good. I like I I l I live for a good emo moment. Yeah. Um that's fucking so true. Yeah. So fucking true.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

That's what I I feel like this archetype not only is it a luxury, um, so it's not everybody gets to be the good girl.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

But also it's a very, very primal archetype because nobody can stay the good girl forever. Never. Because if innocence is just a lack of experience, eventually you will experience heartbreak, pain, something. And then you won't be the good girl. Yeah. So this is a very young, a very primal archetype to me. Yeah. And so it bothers me that it's so fetishized.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

You know? Yeah. Because we shouldn't be fetishizing something so primal. We shouldn't be fetishizing something so young.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

No, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

No. Yeah. And but so I do think that to be an empowered version of this archetype, one, like just like enjoy it while 11.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

No, truly. The kind of youth is wasted on the young, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Yes, yes. Because you are you are not going to stay the good girl forever. Um, but that being said, also when you do start morphing into other archetypes, when you do get more experience, when you do unfortunately witness and feel how cruel the world can be, hold on to the good parts of this archetype because there are really good parts. The the soft, the softness, the warmth, those are really good parts. Yeah. Um hold on to the staying true to your morals, to your virtues. Yeah. Though those are really, really good parts of it that I think can stay with a person even after they have seen the rain.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like it's, you know, what's interesting is so there are there are parts of me that lost the goodness growing up, and then there are parts like as a kiddo, and then there were parts of me that lost goodness as an adult. Um primarily the goodness lost CSA, right? When I was growing up. And then as an adult, um through my divorce, I felt like a lot of innocence was lost. And that was a really like interesting experience. Yeah. Um, because what it has done is it's made me like more protective over the good parts of me.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

Um, it's made me protective over the good parts. like traits that I have, and uh it's something that I encourage everyone to do is like keep things that are just yours.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

Like keep keep innocent things that are just yours because all of the right people you can't rely on them to be as good to you as you can be. Like even the best people in your life, like you can always be better to yourself than anyone else.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Absolutely. Always. You can buy yourself flowers. Yes. You can hold your own hand. You can write your name in the sand is what the highly saw.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um but like what you can do is like and then with the right people like they will also have, you know, like if you're in like a heterosexual relationship, a good boy, right? Like he has his own innocence as well. That's like it's not just like hot girl psychology is the only kind of like hot people psychology. There's also hot guy psychology, I guess. Hot boy absolutely hot boy psychology. Yeah. Hot boy psychology, oh my God, in 20 years when that comes out, I'm so gonna be a listener. Yeah. Um but like the same thing like you know and then for people who are in um non-heterosexual relationships just the like good person, the good girl that you find that you love, like protect their innocence as well. Right. Like if as much as you can for as long as you can. If somebody shares their innocence with you, never ever ever take advantage of it.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

Don't exploit it.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Never ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what is your next archetype? Oh so talking about moving away from the pain my second archetype is the feral girl.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Feral girl the feral girl not to be not to be confused with the ferret girl.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

But the feral girl not to be confused with me. So the feral girl is really like she's just chaotic like low-key. She's super chaotic. Um okay is this BPD girl? Yes absolutely absolutely so feral girl is your like 3 a.m nachos drunk off your ass like day six dry shampoo. She's like your I totally wash this because I sprayed it with Fabriz. She is like your I don't even know that I'm supposed to be in class right now. And what do you mean we had an assignment due? Like fuck. This is just me in college. Like this is we all have the feral girl inside of us. But she you know she's like lost her phone 10 times since I started this conversation. And also me in college. We've never been able to find her vape pen. And she has like 20 of them. And she keeps asking others to hit hers and it's like getting annoying.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

It's getting annoying it's getting noticeable so real.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

Yeah she just like cannot seem to get her shit together but she is such a blass to hang out with she's a beautiful mess. Oh my God. Yeah she's such a beautiful mess and she is she is so much fun to hang out with like she is absolutely like you have the time of your fucking life with her but girl you are gonna be taking care of her later tonight. Yeah like you are gonna be she's gonna you do not know if she's gonna cry if she's gonna laugh if she's gonna fight someone you have no fucking clue. She is an animal through and through she is connected to her animus in every way. Yeah every fucking way her anima in every way so the feral girl my friends that knew me from like 2011 through like through like 2018 smoking on the floor right now. Any any of my friends who knew me from 1991 until about 2025 is saying I right so until a month ago. No it is what it is um like literally I yeah feral is exactly how I would describe the way I was growing up like I was even feral about food like a little give me the food right you know but like um she has like no social graces but she's beautiful and she has a beautiful mess. A beautiful fucking mess she really is and and she gets invited to everything she gets you know she's chosen for everything but she just she just can't get it together no matter what she does. Yeah um so the shadow of her is that she's not taking care of herself right she just doesn't care about herself she doesn't care and she's barely treading water she's trying to care but she cannot seem to care. She's like gonna go and say like well I'm gonna go do a detox and that's gonna fix it all or I'm gonna go like I'm gonna get all my blackheads removed and that's gonna fix it all.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

She always has like these radical ideas of that I'm gonna do this and it's gonna heal everything and either she doesn't do it, doesn't follow through, or she does it and then it's like wherever you go, there you are.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Wherever you go, there you fucking are absolutely absolutely she's a tautology it is what it is right. She is 100% like the highs and the lows embodied then in that like way her so like she like oscillates right like very she's she's black and white and she's oscillating all the time the empowered version of her sits on a wavelength that is just very calm very still and it's very like the the frequency so to speak cosmic ass witch bitch um is like very uh like not disruptive and so it's more controlled. It's it's just balanced yeah exactly exactly what you're saying controlled. Internal locus of control like we were talking about internal locus of control yes yeah yeah which is so weird because like she is the embodiment of internal locus of control. She is like creating her own chaos she she is the she is the bringer of her own chaos and she absolutely like does that in an attempt to control her chaos which is so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

It's like create the chaos you are you are yes controlling it.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

She is the Ouroboros of the hot girl archetype she is a snake eating its own tail in every way shape and form. Yeah and so but like once she gets to a point of being empowered she is actually very very very visceral. So she knows how to tap into that animalistic side of her to make anything happen. So what I see with the feral girl as she gets more empowered is she knows exactly what she wants because she's been feral. She has survived on her base impulses for so long that she knows exactly what she wants. So she doesn't she's almost like an animalistic knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Exactly exactly whereas a lot of people don't ever explore their animalistic urges they hide a they hide from it they shy away from it.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

Yeah have like a screaming orgasm at some point in your life yeah it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

Yeah genuinely but so so this makes sense that this could actually be an incredibly empowered person. Oh my God. Because they have explored that and they've explored the darkness too. There's also something to be said about being messy, about being imperfect about allowing people to see that I think that there's something so beautiful about that as well. But then being able to do that in a more balanced way I also imagine that prioritizing peace versus chaos and knowing the difference would be a huge element of this.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

I have to have an extraordinarily regimented schedule. I basically tamed myself right so you tame the feral animal inside of you I have an extraordinarily regimented schedule I am like I don't I I I'm like a like a you know how they train like um uh service animals and they do not you are not allowed to touch them yeah yeah you are not only are you not allowed to touch them but like you are not allowed to like when they are in their working mode you cannot fucking waver you cannot make a mistake you must train them perfectly um so they don't get confused and you cannot let them have they you can never ever ever say yes to them when the answer is no because that's just like they need to know like how to actually act in an emergency. Yeah because they're animals. Right. And if you treat yourself that way.

SPEAKER_01 52:02

They're all like classic conditioning.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Yeah and so and that is very very black and white and it has to be it is and so the way that I speak to my own black and white self is like I'm very very regimented with my schedule I'm very very regimented with like my routines and things like that. And it it keeps me comfortable.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

It's uncomfortable to achieve as much comfort as I have yeah yeah like the the the comfort is uncomfortable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

It is yeah so like I look at comfort now as not just like what's familiar but I look at comfort as like having enough income which means I must be like working pretty hard and if I work really hard then I have to be like really intentional about taking care of myself. And if I'm intentional about taking care of myself I have to be really on top of my mental health if I'm really on top of my mental health I have to be taking care of my relationships, my priorities, you know, that kind of thing like take care of my body, et cetera you tame the animal inside of you and then you actually become empowered. So you kind of um you kind of have to divorce yourself a little bit from the feral girl. Yeah to understand her like discipline discipline is a huge piece of healing the feral animal inside of you. It's huge structure it's taming. It's it's not domesticating it's taming. Right? Domesticating is like um pacifying and softening but taming is like keeping yourself stimulated in ways that make it so you don't eat your bite the hand that feeds you. Yes. Bite it the fuck off right so um so the the feral girl inside of you she is she is so much fun but it she's finite she is ultimately finite.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

Yeah yeah yeah so she she also it sounds like she's a more primal a more primal archetype I think something to think about too is if you have whether it is any past version of you whether it's chaotic whether it is addiction something that was loud and fun yeah you need to go and make your current life better and more appealing than that.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Exactly which is why I'm doing a fucking podcast.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Yes yeah no like you need you need to have you need to have a lot of things that one bringing meaning of course but also that make it so that you wouldn't want to go back to that person because if you're like okay well that person was happier and more successful why wouldn't you go back to the drug? Why wouldn't you go back to chaos and crazy relationships and toxic men if that was more fun. Yeah. So you need to make your life peaceful but also more fun than it was before. And fun can mean something different to you now than it did back then. Yes. But it needs to feel more appealing to you than the past version of you did.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Absolutely and like if you have yourself in a healthy place you can choose fun that is otherworldly like you can choose fun that it like I mean we're we're running a really fucking legit podcast. Like this shit's really fucking cool.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

But it's really fun.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

It's so fun. It's so much fun I I look forward to this every week. Yeah like I love this shit. And it's something that a past version of me could never have like deeply supported because there was too much not that there was too much instability for me to like show up for it but there was too much instability for me to be open and honest on the podcast. Me too. Yeah yeah yeah but and that's that's too much fear. Yeah exactly and now fearlessness is like all I have inside of me.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

Yeah yeah I love that I also I I love that we're both in this position where we are people that can be honest on a podcast my flavor of being broken is dishonesty versus chaos. I've never been chaotic I've always been incredibly controlled incredibly mocky of alien of as we've talked about very mindful mindfulness has never been hard for me. The DBT ski skills have never been hard for me yeah I've used them too much if anything. Yeah yeah yeah so progress for me would look like falling apart progress for me would look like crying in front of you versus with other people it might be something it might be the opposite of that and that's great as well. Well not great but it's not fun um but it's okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was talking to a friend of mine recently and we were talking about my book and I was telling her she was telling me about certain experiences that she had that I kind of knew about but she was just expanding upon them and I told her some things that not that specifically it happened that I had done at that age and she had no idea about them. I was like why wouldn't you tell me that like of all the people I wouldn't have judged you and she was kind of like who are you and I was like yeah I I didn't tell you because I was so secretive and she was my best friend in the world and I didn't tell her because I didn't tell anybody because I I really really was that secretive that keeping everything so close to the vest that self-protective so for me not being self-protective being more of like the lover girl yeah is me healing. And for other people it can look the opposite it can look like being less chaotic it can mean like being more self-protective being more mindful and that's also great too it's balance that's what any of us are trying to achieve. Always yeah always always always always yes absolutely and I feel like that's the thing that like is missing from the feral girl is like balance because yeah so yes so we covered some great hot girl archetypes tonight and we will this was just hot girl archetypes part two we have so many more like part 10 million yeah it's coming we have so many that we want to cover with you guys so please keep listening.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

Yes and um that being said Emily do you have any final thoughts on hot girl archetypes for tonight I feel like we covered some really good bases tonight and the more we do these the more I'm realizing we're like a little bit of all of them. And I find that that's really like it's it's low-key empowering because I know that if you and I are all of them, so are all of you. Yes listening. Yeah yeah like without a doubt because they are all inside of us. Every single one of them is inside of us like even the like pure moments you know inside the chaotic moments and things like that like the rebel moments which we'll eventually get to rebel girl rebel girl that's I just have I have a lot of thoughts on that one.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

I like that I like that we are all so similar we all feel really big feelings and we will all do anything possible to not feel those big feelings absolutely and we will do things like slip into archetypes as a trauma response as a coping mechanism to trauma. Yeah and these things these archetypes help us survive in a lot of ways they help us fit in they help us make sense of the world and that's why none of them are good or bad. Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:41

They just are yes they just are I love that so much. So they are it's it's a lot of just being right like it's a lot of just just embodying just existing just being and you flow in and out of them without even realizing it. Yes all the time right we are going to be covering these for a while because there's so many I mean obviously like young had his like you know 12 but like the reality is he was not thinking about women when he was making those so probably not we are significantly more complicated with good reason thank you than men because we have a lot of shit going on all the time. And so there's gonna be a lot more of our archetypes than there are of just the men.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

Yeah. Yeah also we'd be interested to hear from you guys too if there if there are any hawker archetypes that you feel like you embody very strongly that we haven't covered and you want us to dive into it and to explore the possibilities of that we would love we would love to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

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SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

Yeah yeah and tune in next week where we will be diving into feminine energy feminine energy yeah how how we have it what it means how we can embody it all of the good stuff. Absolutely yeah all right well thank you so much for listening thank you girlies bye girl psychology