Ep. 3: Adeeba "The Safe Harbor" Spann | Health, Gratitude & Finding Peace in Transition

In this episode of BrighterDaze with Sara, Sara sits down with Adeeba Spann for a thoughtful conversation about health, gratitude, transition, and learning how to find peace while life is still unfolding.

Adeeba opens up about being in a transitional and evolutionary season of life, exploring new possibilities, and learning to move beyond comfort. She shares how a personal health experience changed her perspective, softened the way she sees herself and others, and deepened her gratitude for the ability to wake up, live, and keep going.

Together, Sara and Adeeba talk about acceptance, resilience, support, and the reminder that hard feelings are temporary. This conversation is a beautiful reflection on giving yourself grace, finding joy internally, and understanding that a brighter day does not always mean everything is perfect — sometimes it simply means you are at peace with whatever comes your way.

Listen in for an honest conversation about health, gratitude, healing, transition, and finding peace in the process.

Book Link: I Have an App Idea - Amanda Spann

Podcast Link: I Have an App Idea (MVP Podcast)

Transcript

Sara D.: 0:13

Welcome to BrighterDaze with Sara. This is a space where we get lost in gratitude instead of drowning in despair. I'm your host, Sara Dorris here. We talk to people, we celebrate their victories, and we talk about resilience, gratitude, and daily life motivators. Today I have a really special guest. I am very excited to talk to this individual. It is someone who I went to grad school with, Adeeba Spann, and I am very excited to have you here and I just really thank you for taking the opportunity to speak with me. Welcome.

Adeeba Spann: 0:46

Thanks for having me, Sara. I'm happy to be here.

Sara D.: 0:50

Yeah, for sure, for sure. So how are you doing today? I mean, it's a, it's a lovely Saturday morning. The birds are chirping, the sky is blue, there are clouds a floating. Other stuff is happening too, but that's what we're focused on.

Adeeba Spann: 1:01

Yeah, I'm doing good. You know, I was very happy. That it was Saturday when I woke up. I've been looking forward to this day all week. But I'm in a, I'm in a good space today. I'm feeling optimistic. I feel like I have a lot of plans and, I am also here. So happy to also get to converse with you on the Saturday morning.

Sara D.: 1:29

Yes. really looking forward to this day. I was looking forward to this interview and I'm also going to a concert later to see this, band that I used to like when I was younger and in my email phase. So I'm like oh snap.

Adeeba Spann: 1:40

Oh, okay. Now you have to share who, who you're going to see. You can't just like leave it off like that.

Sara D.: 1:47

Right. It is this band called The Academy is... if anybody truly knows me, you know, like the inside of me is like very like, don't know, Hawthorne Heights with my radio like emo,

Adeeba Spann: 2:00

It says, oh, it will be the night like that.

Sara D.: 2:04

Yes,

Adeeba Spann: 2:06

Uh

Sara D.: 2:06

everything is like, my insides were so dark, but I dressed like a prep, so, you know, 'cause my mom was a pastor,

Adeeba Spann: 2:13

uh.

Sara D.: 2:15

You can't dress like that because that's demonic. It's a "spirit"..

Adeeba Spann: 2:16

Yeah, but you addressed prep, but you bought the prep from hot topic, so it felt emo enough.

Sara D.: 2:24

Right. Okay, so I am... wondering, How do you feel in life right now? What? What current season do you feel like you're in?

Adeeba Spann: 2:39

You know, I've been thinking about this a lot. So, in the past year there's been a lot of life changes. I got married, um.

Sara D.: 2:49

congratulations, me too!

Adeeba Spann: 2:49

Thank you. Oh. Oh, look at that newly weds. I love it. I got married, you know, my father's now retired. My sisters kind of have their own transitions. It's, I like to say that I'm in a transitional phase in my life, but I always feel like I'm always in transition. I'm always kind of thinking about. Where I'm going, where I am, where I'm at. So it's all ways transitional for me. Maybe the way that my mind works, but I would say that outside of transition, because that's a constant act, I feel like me personally, I'm in like an evolutionary phase. Um, I feel like I'm. Getting better, I'm also adapting easily to my environment and what's upcoming, maybe without me actually being actively aware. I also feel like I'm in exploratory phase. I would say the past three or four years I've kind of just been in a place where I settled. I'm happy with where I am but being that. I feel like I'm actively evolving. I feel like I'm also open to exploration for new avenues that maybe I didn't consider before.

Sara D.: 4:22

I mean, it sounds like a good place to be.

Adeeba Spann: 4:25

I, yeah, it's, it's a good place. It's a scary place, to me, being that I've been so settled. Right. And now I'm actively seeking to disrupt that. I would say I've always been the kind of type to lean towards comfort. You know, compared to maybe my sisters who are more entrepreneurial creatives, more I would say progressive fields in tech and. Computer science. Whereas I was sort of the traditionalist amongst all of us, but now I feel like, okay, maybe it's time to explore that aspect to me. And maybe everything's been leaning me up to this point.

Sara D.: 5:16

Yeah, I feel that sometimes in life, I know for my life, I feel everything just kind of lines up in the way it is in its own timing. Even this podcast. So like if you'd have asked me years ago if I would've had a podcast surrounding gratitude, I'd have been like absolutely not. But yet I think about everything I've been through in life and how. Every bad thing had to happen, caused something greater to happen. And even like something as small as when I was graduating college, I had a therapist that I really liked and she has these stones that she lets you take whenever you, you're ending your service with her. And the stone that I took from her said gratitude, I hold it, I keep it. I'm just like, wow, who knew? All of this could come from this because it's, it's not like me typically to, to be interested in doing something like this, but I say that to say it's a good thing that you're, you're willing to be in an evolutionary phase and like things are coming together for you in that way.

Adeeba Spann: 6:19

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And you know, perhaps this is like the stone was the seed that was planted. You know, perhaps it, it was buried a little deep. We just didn't know that it could grow.

Sara D.: 6:35

Yeah, girl, that's, that's a good one.

Adeeba Spann: 6:37

There you go. I'm here all day.

Sara D.: 6:43

I heard you say that you are usually a traditionalist and you don't usually like, or in the past, you didn't like to move beyond comfort, so what kind of triggered this evolutionary phase to where you're looking to kind of do things differently?

Adeeba Spann: 7:00

Yeah. I would say it's a combination of things so. In, my work sphere, I work as a clinical dietician. I work, um, in a hospital based clinic. And there I do a lot of one-on-one counseling. I never saw myself as an outpatient sphere doing one-on-one counseling, versus someone who was working inpatient in the hospital, with more acutely ill patients, but. Sort of found its way to me. But I noticed this repetition in my, my kind of practice was repetition and doing well, doing pretty good for a dietician and outpatient spear, but I felt like I was just kind of hitting this, this wall, right, that I just wasn't able to expand out of. In addition to that, I am kind of thinking about our current climate. And what the future looks like for my career in general. You know, there's so much disruption that's potentially happening with like, sort of the AI sphere and so I'm thinking that I, I don't think my job is going away, but I know that it'll change and I just dunno how, that kind of incited a fear in me. Not a fear that I will lose my job, but a fear that I'm not keeping up with what I need to, to kind of ensure like a, a survival to the next day. And so this kind of burgeoning me this, this thought that, you know, perhaps I should be working to expand my spheres, expand my practice, and. That my life doesn't have to, and my career, my expertise doesn't all have to center around just a single practice. Right? I wanna be able to move like water to be flexible, to fit into, you know, whatever sphere, whatever, you know, orifice that I am kind of pushed towards. So that kind of inspired me to look into different avenues and different approaches that I could still work in healthcare. I could still practice nutrition and, be a dietician, but also expand my, my territories in a sense. I also think that we're thinking about having kids. And right now where we're living, we don't necessarily have like a ton of family support. So it would be an opportunity, I think to really like fulfill that evolution as a mother, as a working mother, as you know, a partner and a wife. It, everything seems like it's aligning. To move that way.

Sara D.: 10:16

So question, what

Adeeba Spann: 10:17

Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 10:17

new? What is this new thing you're doing?

Adeeba Spann: 10:20

Well, I don't know. So I, I haven't exactly fulfilled everything, but I am thinking about, starting a business and, it's basically, you know, I'm interested in like non-emergency medical transport. 'Cause I noticed there's such a barrier amongst patients to get to and from appointments. We have such an aging population, you know, the boomers boomed and now they're booming their way into retirement. And a lot of other health issues. And so people are gonna still need to go to the doctor. People are gonna still need to make it to appointments, even if. Those appointments have a virtual nature or an in-person, more tactile, you know, humanistic approach. So I'm thinking about that and that could be something that I do, as a kind of a side to what this passion that I've worked on for my whole life is, I'm also thinking about going back to school. I guess that's what happens when you're in your thirties. You just suddenly think, Hey, maybe school more school is what I need. But I also do feel like that's an important aspect because I've always wanted to go back to get my PhD. But I, I kind of just was like, well, I don't really, I don't know what I wanna study. I don't know when I wanna talk about, I don't know what like I wanna do. And now I have more of a firmer grasp as to why I want to do this. And what my interests are. So all of that together I think just leads to that evolution where it's just like, this is the new better Adeeba, or this is the next step in Adeeba's life.

Sara D.: 12:09

Adeeba is becoming.

Adeeba Spann: 12:11

Uh, becoming exactly.

Sara D.: 12:14

Yeah. Oh man. I heard you say the business and my mom has like 50 million like hustles or like jobs that she does and I was like, that could be a business. That's a great business. That is a good idea.

Adeeba Spann: 12:24

Yeah.

Sara D.: 12:26

Way to see the need and fill it. I.

Adeeba Spann: 12:28

Mm-hmm. Exactly. And I don't, I. I don't, I see. What I see for the future is that, you know, a lot of the intellectual work is going to change, but there will be always a need to fulfill something as a part of the human experience. The one-on-one connections, the, you know, the. How should I say this? The the need to contextualize, um, the need to be heard, be felt, that's not going away. And I think that any. Business, service, job, occupation that, you know, offers that you know , can ensure survival, but also reminds us to stay grounded as human beings.

Sara D.: 13:51

I feel that. You seem like a very caring and considerate and intelligent person. So what is something about you that maybe necessarily doesn't show up on paper? I know that is, but is there anything

Adeeba Spann: 14:04

Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 14:06

I don't know that you wanna highlight?

Adeeba Spann: 14:08

Hmm. I would say I'm, I'm not someone I would describe as easy to get to know. I sort of hold back in terms of exploring a lot of, or like wearing a lot of my emotions or openly expressing them outside of the people that I know most intimately. I think that's part of the way I was raised. I was raised to kind of keep the, keep your logic, first your emotions after. So when I approach new relationships and new people, I think that I kind of proceed with a neutralism. That makes me hard to gather kind of your personality from, I would say I have layers and sometimes it, it does take me a little while to kind of unravel them and let people in to see them. I would say that I approach things from very neutral standpoint, but also from the point of understanding where others come from and also allowing them. I hope that they would allow me or let me be a space where they can be expressive too, and that I don't necessarily seek to. Judge, I seek to understand kind of where people are coming from and that they can be, their open, best self around me.

Sara D.: 15:44

So then would it be fair to say that when someone asks who you are and what you hope they see, you would probably say that you hope that people see you as someone who, people who truly know you can. Can talk to and not feel judged, but just be a safe space kind of.

Adeeba Spann: 16:05

Yeah, I think so. I think that's my hope in life, that I have a great interest in the lives of others. And not that I'm nosy, but more that. I care to know about the way that others live and experience life, because I know it's vastly different from the way that I do. And that only adds insights in to my perspective and my lived experience. Being that I can't necessarily, it offers me an a way to, you know, live life and see life in their shoes. And I feel like in other aspects of life. Especially work. It offers more insights into how I can be better at my position, how I can be a better, you know, wife, how I could be better future mother. You know, all of those things are enhanced by I think being a kind open, non-mental listener.

Sara D.: 17:16

I understand you when you say that. I feel like I've always thought like, oh, I want to be someone who people can talk to. I hope I am.

Adeeba Spann: 17:25

Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 17:25

learned recent, not recently in the past, I've learned that like I can come off like a little judgmental. It was like a total shock to me. 'cause it was like, hey, I don't, I mean it is no sweat off my back. I'm just interested and curious, Okay. I understand that now you're in this new evolutionary phase of life. But was there ever like a defining moment that shaped your journey? Because I noticed that you're into a a field that is really focused on something that people do because they care. Like I don't think anyone goes into nutrition 'cause they love just talking about food. Like they really wanna help people.

Adeeba Spann: 18:02

Well, I just, uh, I, I do love talking about food. I do. Um,

Sara D.: 18:07

Really?

Adeeba Spann: 18:07

and everyone likes, yeah, everyone likes food. So, I mean, I'm sure we could pivot this conversation and fill the rest of the hour just talking about what we like to eat. So that's, that's a very. Unique and sprawling experience. So I do still, I love talking about food. I love talking about the interactions with food. I love how I talk about, you know, nutrition, um, affects the body and how it can be healing, but also detrimental. So I love talking about that. But even more than that, I love seeing the reward is seeing people improve, and get better. So that is, I think. The motivation to keep me going. , But there, there was a time, not necessarily in my practice, but, I would say more in my personal life that changed sort of some direct trajectories that kind of led me here. So when I was about 23, 24, um, I had like a health event and I'm still kind of feeling the effects of that now. So it. Involves a lot of nerve pain, um, and discomfort when I get stressed or overwhelmed. A lot of the symptoms kind of are brought on, , dealing with more chronic fatigue and tiredness. And also some, some issues with like, like feeling restless, so. , For a long time, you know, I was just kind of dealing with it on my own and just trying to see, hopefully it gets better, but it did not. Ultimately I started taking medication for it and I was able to get to a place where I am stable and functional. You know, even something like driving would induce like panics in these episodes. So I, I really was. Not able to function. And I think in that time and place, , before all this happened, I was, I was even more, headstrong focused, driven, determined, like even more of a logic based person focused on the nuances of, the, just the most objective objectivity in my life. After that and having the experience of being ill and not feeling like I have control over what's going on. I think there was another side of me that became gentler, that became softer, that became more forgiving that. Opened me to another world. I think more of my patients who experience a lot worse than I. In addition to that, I think the COVID epidemic, I was working inpatient and that was just, it was just so, man, I don't wanna, it's, yeah. Stress, you know, it's been, what, six years since then, which is crazy. But at the same time, it feels literally like yesterday. Um, and just like the, the strain that you experience working through that, I've learned to pick and choose my battles. I've learned to be softer and I think that's. Kind of why I see myself, I like to have myself be known and represented as someone who people can confide in. Because you never know what other people are going through at this moment. They might be undergoing, you know, COVID was six years ago, but perhaps COVID and the other traumas of having a health issue is ongoing for someone and they just need someone to either vent, to confide in. I feel like they can be open with, in a world where people are just like onto the next thing

Sara D.: 22:26

I can really see how everything you've been through has given you empathy towards the group of people that you're working with, and it allows you to give people grace on top of grace because that is something that we all need to carry because you really never know what someone is going through and how that impacts them on a day to day. I can, I can, I can see the need for, I. For people to be like that. So I hear you saying that you had a health crisis and that enabled empathy and not like a greater, a deeper, like truly felt empathy and. empathetic. I don't know. It made you truly, deeply empathetic with people because you could relate to them on some kind of level, even if it's not just as hard or as deep. But when you were managing your health episodes, how did you keep your spirits up? 'cause I know that I've been through some and it's really hard.

Adeeba Spann: 23:23

Honestly, my husband. So we were just, we just started dating when all of this happened and you know. I really thought that with everything that I was experiencing, he'd go away. , Like he'd be put off, he'd be like, well, I'm not trying to deal with all this with this girl. , But like I think about all the moments where I just felt like I couldn't do anything. I didn't have the energy to participate. , You know, I just wasn't feeling well. I'd be like, crash out on the couch, you know, in a fetal position. 'cause everything hurt. And he just stayed there. , He stuck along with me the whole way, and I think through him I've also learned a different perspective, , like what it means to like to be content and to be happy and to have gratitude because. I know that not everybody has that available to them, and I also think that he has even on his worst days, and he doesn't really, he's fortunately very healthy. Even on his worst days, he still. Has this way to find joy, reprieve, and everything that's happening, and that he tends to let things roll off his shoulder and know that there's never a permanence to these things. That it was just kind of a point, a phase, and that. He sees the upside in everything that's going on, and I would say that that perspective really helped me not shroud and, and despair and, and not feel too sad and down about what I had in life or what I feel like I lost as a part of. Being ill. And I think I've learned and changed my perspective so much about what it means to be accepting through him, accepting of others, accepting of my condition, accepting of life circumstance. So I honestly like. I give everything. Give all, like maybe not all, but a lot of my gratitude and appreciation to my husband. Yeah, sometimes you do need that rock to help you when when it's storming and it's really hard to push through. Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 26:25

Gratitude. I heard you saying that he changed your view of gratitude. What is gratitude to you now?

Adeeba Spann: 26:34

Gratitude. Hmm. I would say before it was gratitude was being able to get the things that I wanted in life. Right. And to be able to... Have enough money, have things, have opportunities. Gratitude now is just the ability to be comfortable, to have peace about things, to be able to function without restraint physically, function without restraint. I go to. Exercise classes. I have a smart watch and I see my heart rate go up and it, it's really high and I just think about some of my patients, some of the experience I had, and just being sedentary, be just sitting there on the couch and feeling all of those same feelings, all that same rush without me being able to turn it off. And the gratitude I feel for my health and my wellbeing, being able to carry me through the day's operations without too much restriction. That's what gratitude looks like now.

Sara D.: 28:05

I don't know if that's just a sign of getting older when gratitude for the things, lessons and gratitude for more of the quality of life increases.

Adeeba Spann: 28:18

I think, yeah, I think both. Because I, I would say that in this stage, and I think. I could still feel gratitude for being able to say like, invest in a business, invest in, , different operations to, to be able to afford children. , That's something of course I'm grateful for, but I would say the gratitude that I, I feel it, it's not, it's. When I think of gratitude and I experience it, I know it's not completely related to my finances and things, possessions in the way it once was, even in the status that I have more possessions than I had previously. I do think that getting older gives you different perspective on your health as you see other people decline or, you know, you encounter other people at various walks of life, or you see like where you could be versus where you are or, you know, you think about where you were and where you know, where you could be. But I think like very deeply, very deeply, I think about. Just how, how incredibly grateful I am just to be able to do, to act, to live, to experience things that not even are that complex, but to feel like I can, I can do them. Without feeling extremely bound by the bandwidth that my body has given me, that I am living, that I can just, I can just live. And I don't know if that, I think I'm just kind of word vomiting at this point, but. I'm just so grateful. Just be able to like wake up even if I'm in pain, but to know that I can keep going, I.

Sara D.: 30:32

That is so beautiful and it's such a good feeling to have. 'cause it is not always like that. On the days where the gratitude doesn't always hit at a hundred like it is now, how do you push through? What helps you get through those moments?

Adeeba Spann: 30:49

I just know that I, I won't always feel this way, that this is a moment in time. Happiness is a good emotion. Yes, I want to be happy. I also need to give myself space to feel other things. Because if I, if I'm only feeling happy, then it won't ever gimme time to process the other emotions that I also think are, uh, important to learn from. And then I feel like I, I'm, I become sort of a avoidant of, of other aspects of life, which are great teachers too. So I think it's important to just also allow myself. To feel those other things, but to also recognize that I won't always feel that way. And that I do have support if I feel like I can't get out. So I have my husband, I have my family, you know, I have my therapist, I have lots of colleagues and friends. So I, I, I feel like in my mind there's an impermanence. That feeling and that I find my way back to my baseline or have an optimism that I'll find my way back to my baseline.

Sara D.: 32:14

Yeah, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, and I think thats an important perspective to maintain.

Adeeba Spann: 32:17

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 32:22

We're getting towards the end. And I do wanna ask you, what does a brighter day look like for you now?

Adeeba Spann: 32:31

Brighter day? Hmm. That's a good question. No, I, I'm just kind of. Thinking, thinking deeply about what a brighter day looks like for me now because honestly, like it feels like every day is bright, but I know not every day is bright. I know like Thursday, I was not having a brighter day., I think. To be honest, the, brightest days I have are when I feel like I wake up at peace with whatever happens to me that day. I don't wake up with resounding joy like, that I'm not bubbling and teaming with energy, but I'm not in despair that I am just, I can be at peace in acceptance with whatever comes my way and that I know that we will get through. And then I feel like I have the confidence to get through. I guess that's what a brighter day looks like for me.

Sara D.: 33:52

Yeah. What do you want listeners who listen to this episode of you on here? What do you want people to take with them?

Adeeba Spann: 33:58

Hmm. I. I would say perspective changes a lot. It changes so much that we're all in constant states of learning that. You will have failures, and those are okay too, that you'll feel immense joy, immense pleasure. That's good. But it won't always be immense joy, immense pleasure, and that sometimes you just have to take things in stride to find joy internally. That all the things that we have are amazing, but ultimately that maybe just see what, what is inside first calibrate inside. And I think we'll find the ultimate joy there. Joy and peace there.

Sara D.: 35:22

Adeeba told you all the key to finding joy and peace. I hope you were listening. I also would add, don't make permanent decisions off of temporary feelings and things like that. Feelings and situations.

Adeeba Spann: 35:35

Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 35:36

Things can always change for the better. The question is how long do you need to wait? And that's it.

Adeeba Spann: 35:44

Yeah.

Sara D.: 35:44

I feel like this was a really nice episode, like I'm so glad you were willing to come on and talk like I feel enlightened by you.

Adeeba Spann: 35:52

Well, thank you. I, you know, sometimes you feel like you're going at it alone, that, you know, your perspective is just one in 1 million. But I am really honored to be invited and kind of share that aspect about my story, my, my path. But, um. Yeah, I think it's amazing that you also have this forum to be able to discuss with others about, you know, what gratitude looks like for them and how they can apply that and how they, you know, work through other trials and tribulations in life. Because all we got is each other.

Sara D.: 36:31

That is literally all we have. All the rest of this stuff is extra,

Adeeba Spann: 36:35

Mm-hmm.

Sara D.: 36:36

the society and people have to work together with each other and learn how to live,

Adeeba Spann: 36:42

Exactly

Sara D.: 36:43

um. I do wanna say, you taught me something. You, you, you checked me girl. 'cause

Adeeba Spann: 36:49

what? What did I say?

Sara D.: 36:51

People do love to talk about food. You got me. I had my limited persepctive.

Adeeba Spann: 36:52

Yeah.

Sara D.: 36:53

And you was like, no, I love to talk about food.

Adeeba Spann: 36:56

Yeah, I, I mean, to be honest, like talk to your friends, like are you having a conversation about like what restaurant you wanna go to? It'd be like, oh, you've been there? And they're like, yes, I've been there. I had the blah, blah, blah. You know how exciting that is. It's, you know, food is, is is life, right? Food is is, and food goes beyond just simple nourishment in your choices. Food is community, food is identity, food is control. For some people, food is comfort. So food represents so much in everyday, you know, just our. Everyday human experience. Right. And, you know, if there's anything else that I'm grateful for, I'm grateful that I, I, of course got food and that I, I feel like I have a really good relationship with food. I feel like I have a good relation. I, I'm learning a lot about the other aspects of relationships with food that I think I can help more people with. So, that's another form of gratitude right there.

Sara D.: 38:06

For sure. I, um. Yeah. Do I wanna be a nutritionist now? Is, is that what I'm hearing? But that so

Adeeba Spann: 38:16

mean, if you eat.

Sara D.: 38:17

interesting.

Adeeba Spann: 38:18

We need more of us.

Sara D.: 38:23

Right. Okay. But I just wanna tell you, again, thank you so much for coming on and talking to me. Um, is there anything at all that you would like to promote? 'cause I'm sure that whatever you're promoting is gonna be A1 and something that people should surely look at.

Adeeba Spann: 38:40

Sure. So I actually don't have anything for myself, that. Specifically I'm promoting. But I did wanna promote my sister's new book. This is called "I Have an App Idea". This is a book for those who. Maybe have a creative spark. They have a, interest, an idea, as to an application, so web application that they want to launch, but they're not sure how to go about it. So this book was written for non-technical founders to be able to build, upon their idea step by step. And getting into the tech sphere without the exact tech knowledge. It's written as a guide in a manual, in plain language. So there's not a lot of unique corporate jargon or, you know. Computer lingo. It's written directly from the perspective of my sister talking to you and giving you instruction. The book has a lot of guided activities and tools for you to use to build apps and building on her experience building apps in the past and how she works as a consultant now. And I think this is a good resource for anyone who's looking to branch out. Have their own, you know, maybe side hustle, but build it into something that in the future could scale to something great. The book is called, I Have an App Idea by Amanda Spann. It's available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble. Do they even have Books A million anymore? I don't know, but you know, anywhere that books are sold, it is available. And, you can also follow her on, social media. She has a podcast as well. , So yeah, I just wanted to promote that.

Sara D.: 40:34

What's her podcast?

Adeeba Spann: 40:36

It's, I have an app idea with Amanda Spann. Then she also has another one. In the past, it was Amanda Spann's, MVP, Minimum Viable Podcast.

Sara D.: 40:48

Man, I gotta check her out. I can't wait to listen to her stuff. Yeah, absolutely. And. Yeah, that's so, so cool.

Adeeba Spann: 41:00

Yep.

Sara D.: 41:00

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