Discussing Our Most Memorable Clients, Sleep Talk & more...

Denise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com office@aahypnosis.com

Les Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk contact@lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk

(0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:25) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant to hypnosis. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:36) So hi, it's just us again today, isn't it? (0:40) That was exciting.(0:43) We've had some really good guests on so far, haven't we? (0:47) So I thought, Denise, what about if we talked about our clients and explain to whoever is listening why we, of the craft that we deliver, hypnosis or hypnotherapy, is that much shorter rather than weeks or even months? (1:07) I think that, I mean, that's the big selling point.(1:10) Yeah, yeah. (1:11) The fact that hypnosis can get there really quickly compared to other forms of therapy. (1:17) And for most people, once that particular thing is fixed, it isn't like this wears off after a year.(1:25) No, you can be sure that you're OK. (1:28) And all of us, I don't know any hypnotist who wouldn't say, oh, just give me a call if it comes back. (1:34) You know, it's not, you know, we would re-address the issue.(1:38) Because we're dealing with the opposite side of the brain, aren't we, to traditional therapies like CBT and counselling? (1:46) Although I think it's more of an internal side of the brain. (1:49) Yeah, but one size doesn't fit all.(1:52) It doesn't mean to say that we're the better. (1:55) It just means that, you know, we can offer a different way, can't we? (2:00) Rather than just keep going week after week after week or month after month.(2:04) The really major difference, I think, is that with hypnosis, you don't have to keep going over whatever the original insult was. (2:14) It's something, we need to have some idea of what it was. (2:18) Otherwise, we can't craft or talk to you.(2:21) But you don't have to keep revisiting whatever the traumatic event was. (2:26) That's true. (2:27) And I find a lot of it, you can do it content-free, can't you?(2:32) You don't have to. (2:33) Like you said, you don't have to talk about it. (2:35) Because if you talk about it, you have to reprocess that.(2:39) And you're adding all different kinds of emotions and feelings each time. (2:43) Whereas if you deal with the emotions and feelings that are attached to whatever issue you've come to see us for, it just seems to fall into place, doesn't it? (2:55) But it's not an instant thing, even though it's a lot quicker.(2:58) It's not an instant thing, is it? (3:00) No, and obviously, it's also not. (3:02) It looks like the therapist is doing all the work.(3:06) The hypnotist is just, you know, zooming. (3:09) But the client has to, A, really be engaged. (3:13) Really wants the change.(3:15) So it's a lot more client-driven than they believe. (3:20) It is. (3:21) And also, the client needs to want that change.(3:25) But want that change for themselves, really, and not for anybody else. (3:29) Because we did touch a little bit with one of our guests, didn't we? (3:33) About making changes as in smoking or weight loss.(3:37) And you don't do it for anybody else. (3:40) You may have somebody in mind that, you know, you want to stay, you know, longer and be fitter to spend time with them. (3:48) But at the end of the day, it's got to be done.(3:51) Because really, you want to make this change. (3:53) Yeah, that's really the

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Talking with Me the Film here and the drop in S. We can for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits of the doctor.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

We are two hypnotherapists talking. So let's get on with the episode. So hi, it's just us again today, isn't it? That was that was exciting. We've had some uh really good guests on so far, anyway, haven't we? So I thought, Denise, what about if we talked about our clients and explained to whoever's listening why we or the craft that we deliver, hypnosis or hypnotherapy, is that much shorter rather than weeks or even months of a time.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

I think that I mean that's the big selling point, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. The fact that hypnosis can get there really quickly compared to other forms of therapy. And and for most people, the once that particular thing is fixed, just fixed. Yeah, it's not like this wears off after a year. No, you can ensure that you okay. And and all of us, I don't know any hemitist who wouldn't think, oh, just give me a call that comes back.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

You know, it's not uh, you know, we would we would let re-address the issue because we're dealing with the the opposite side of the brain, aren't we, to traditional therapies like CBT and counselling.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Although I think of more of an internal side of the brain, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Yeah, but what one size doesn't fit all. It doesn't mean to say that we're we're the better, it just means that you know we can offer a different way, can't we? Rather than just keep going week after week after week or month after month.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Because the the the really major difference, I think, is that with hypnosis, you don't have to keep going over whatever the original insult was. It's something we we need to have some idea of what it was, otherwise we can't craft or talk to you. But it it you don't have to keep revisiting whatever the traumatic event was.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

That's true, and I I find a lot of it, you can do it content-free, can't you? You don't have to, like you said, you don't have to talk about it because if you talk about it, you have to reprocess that, and you're adding all different kinds of emotions and feelings each time. Whereas if deal with the emotions and the feel and feelings that are attached to whatever issue you've come to see us for, it just seems to fall into place, doesn't it? But it's not an instant thing, even though it's a lot quicker, it's not an instant thing, is it?

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah, and it's obviously it's also not it looks like the therapist is doing all the work. The hypnotist is just presume. Um, but the the client has to really be engaged, really wants the change. Um, so it's a it's a lot more client-driven than they believe.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

It is, and also we the the client want needs to want that change, but want that change for themselves really and not for anybody else. Because we we did touch a little bit with with one of our guests, didn't we, about making changes as in smoking or weight loss, and you don't do it for anybody else. You may have somebody in mind that you you know you want to stay you know longer and be fitter to spend time with them, but at the end of the day, it's got to be done for really you want to make this change.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, that's really the most important.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

What's one of your most memorable clients?

SPEAKER_00 3:58

The one that always things in my head is like I I wasn't I I told up front that I had not had a client with this issue before. It was it was an issue I now have had several clients with. Okay. Um, and that was a gentleman who could couldn't drive over bridges all of a sudden. It was he he had the issue 20 years before. He talked to a psychiatrist who used hypnosis, but didn't use it on him, just talked to him about it. And just talking to the psychiatrist lifted the anxiety. Yeah, he was five 20 years, a new issue within his family came up. It triggered whatever it triggers, and he couldn't drive over bridges. And if you live in Delaware and you go, you you're likely to need to leave the state to go to work, and there's bridges everywhere, so he he really needed to get it fixed. And I I told him I was you know perfectly happy to see him. I actually gave him a free package of the visit of through thing world, which was been the first day really understanding what it is that he's feeling, and uh we just started and he trusted me. Probably all that work was done not so much by my preamble as the psychiatrist who talked him to him before. Um about halfway through the session, I saw it worked, and I haven't had any other times where you the exact moment, yeah. There was just there was something happened on his face. He just he just relaxed almost like it was just really oh okay, I gotcha. And then I got very worried because two days later he he didn't tell me until he came for the session that three days from then he was going on vacation with his wife, and it required him to drive over one of the longest bridges we have in the country to get to the place. Wow, so I was a little nervous that he was gonna cut me down. I said, Well, okay, well, let me know how you're doing. And about 11 o'clock on the morning that I knew he was going on vacation, he he texted, I need to talk to you. Oh my god, he's stuck on a bridge. And and I I got up with him. And so my wife says I was laughing. He was so thrilled, he didn't know until he got on the bridge lending the work. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

So see, I I can relate to that because I developed a fear of incoming lanes, you know, on a motorway or your carriageway because I saw an accident years years this was years ago. This was my first experience of hypnosis and it changed my life. My car sat on the drive for over six months. I used to walk to work. Seriously, I used to work walk to work because it manifested that much that I was petrified. And where I live in St. Helens, you can't get out of St. Helens unless you go on a dual carriageway. So, and I was worse. I will be honest, I was worse as a passenger. So if my husband drove the car, I was terrible because I could see everything, you know, looking round and I could see cars approaching or could see cars, you know, in in in the mirror. Just impossible, just absolutely impossible. And one evening I actually got lost coming home because I used to go down all the side roads. If if I did drive, if I had no choice but to drive, I got lost and he had to come out and get me. And he just said, This has to change. So, but I so I know how things can manifest, but I also know how how quick things can happen and those for who's your favorite client you've you've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Um, I he's one of them. Because yeah, well that he didn't have any more problems. And we said, Oh, I want to show you. Oh yeah, here we go. And you wanted me to help him lose weight. So we did that for a while, and then eight weeks into that, he said, Please, I'm sorry, but I don't think I need you anymore. That's okay, that's the point. Yeah, yeah. I I sell uh weight loss programs always in the like three months because it takes physically takes time for weight to go away. I can hypnotize you all day, and you're not gonna lose 50 pounds overnight. So he is definitely one of my favorites. He kept in touch with me for ages. Another one was an older gentleman, he's 80, who had a fear of not being in his house when he used the bathroom. Right, okay. So they they couldn't go out and socialize with friends because you know when you're 80, it's not like you can wait six hours. It doesn't work, it doesn't work that way. Um and he the first day that I did with him, I I knew he hadn't been hypnotized. I mean, it tells me, but you can you can tell it from Oscar, and he's very, very nice. And I said, Okay, I gave you a mulligan, so we just started again. And the second time, because he understood what I was doing, and he was he was wonderful, and he would talk to me several times between sessions, and that was part of the therapy, I think, as well for him. Um but he wanted to wait until his wife was going on a vacation out of the country, and he elected not to go. I said, Well, do you want to do you want to see me like so that you can go with her now? I've been there. Okay, okay. Um, she was done in Croatia, I think. Anyway, she was done a month. So he and I worked together for a month. Yeah, before she came back, he knew he was there, and that was that was yeah, it was really wonderful. I have happy he was so happy.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

It is sometimes it's almost euphoric, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 9:45

When when you see that change and you know that that change is going to be permanent, it's just it's just a wonderful, wonderful feeling because you think, yeah, they get I mean it sounds it sounds silly almost to say he was excited because he could go out to dinner with his friends. Yeah, you know, when you're in your 80s, that's a fairly big event, you know. Huge, yeah. But it that's lovely.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

I mean, we we we do see a lot of similar clients, don't we? As you know, right across the board. But one of my favorites, I must I must share this with you, is I still smile when I think about him. And he was a young, um young gentleman who worked from home, and during lockdown, he he still worked from home, but he was isolated. There was just him and the dog, and he was really, really isolated. His parents lived down south somewhere, and he developed some kind of anxious thoughts and feelings because he he was literally on his own. I think his girlfriend had gone abroad and couldn't get back because she was she'd gone visiting her parents and she couldn't get back, so he was literally just him and the dog. Those feelings of anxiety manifested so quick, especially during the lockdown um period, well, which whichever one we were in, that he developed this terrible, terrible urge to bite his tongue. So he actually slept with a sock in his mouth. And he saw, I think he saw me through what either Facebook or Google, and he contacted me and he rang me, and I offered a free consultation as I do, and he said, I don't want to, I can't come out, I can't come out the house. I take the dog for a walk, and that's it. I can't come out the house. So we did the consultation over Zoom, and you could see then that he was very agitated and very, you know, very nervous. So we decided to do a few sessions online, and I offered him four sessions altogether, and by the third session, he wanted to come and see me. He managed he was okay leaving his house because he was he managed to drive to my place. We made it after 6 pm at night so he could literally park outside because it's a pedestrian area, and he came up, he had a couple of visits to the toilet because he was that nervous, and his eyes were very, very wide, you know, like rabbits in the headlight. He was so, so anxious, but he was really, really happy that he'd been able to drive to see me. So we did we did the third session. I kept in touch with him, made sure that everything, you know, was okay, and made sure that he was reinforcing what he was doing. I made a recording for him so he could listen to the recording. And then the fourth session, he rang me and said, Can we delay this session for a while? So I said, Yeah, no problem at all. And what had happened is lockdown had had been lifted, so all the pubs, restaurants, everything was open. His girlfriend had come home and he wanted to take his girlfriend out for a meal, which was very nice. Yeah, absolutely massive. So he came for the fourth session after a few weeks, brought his girlfriend, introduced his girlfriend to me, and it, you know, it was it was lovely. It was lovely to see that change in his face, you know. Like you said, when you know that they're making those changes, it is, it's lovely. And then about three, four weeks later, he sent me a video, and on the video, it actually said, I don't know if you remember me, but I came to see you because I had this fear of going outside, going in wide open spaces. And he said, But look at me now, and he panned his phone all the way around, and he was in, he was at the top of a hill in a big field, and that was just so lovely.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yeah, so so nice. It doesn't necessarily remember you, it's not required. I point out to people if you want to come and see either of us to any demonstration. We're not going to stop you afterwards, but it is lovely. Yeah, that you that it's made a difference to your life.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

But that was that was to him, that was massive, absolutely massive, that he could make those changes and uh you know, and and live his life again.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

So I hopefully all of these clients that we've seen know now that if they develop another issue, as you are wanting to do, yeah, hypnosis is one of the first things you can look at. Yeah, we do. I mean, we we'll always say, okay, is this a medical issue? Is this some secret? Do we need to get other kinds of therapy involved? But we don't really, it doesn't really need you to go through every single kind of therapy there is before you want it to do this.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Um unfortunately, that's the the nature of the beast at the moment, isn't it? You know, that people will go for you know they're the last resort. Yeah, and it's only when other things don't work, which I'm not saying that they don't always work because they do, they do for you know, certain people, and then they they come to us. And I think a lot of people are surprised about how much you know those changes can happen, like you said, so quickly. Uh, and it's not one size fits all. I work a little bit differently. So if I offer four sessions, then my client would come for four weeks, a week. In a row, yeah, a week apart. Or sometimes I might delay the fourth session if I if I feel or they feel really, because it's a joint thing, isn't it? That that they're they're making those positive changes without me. My glasses keep falling down today. But one of the one of the guys that I saw was it was so different, so different to what I I'd ever you know treated uh a client for. And he he came to see me and he'd had over 40 sessions of a different therapy to help him to wear his CPAP mask. 40 sessions of therapy? Yeah, over 40.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

So he could use a CPAP.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Yeah, so over 40 sessions he'd been, not with me, but with somebody else, he'd been to see somebody. And after so many, you know, 40 sessions, the therapist turned around and said, I'm sorry, I can't help you anymore. I think you need to go and see somebody different. So he said, Well, what would you suggest? So they said, Well, maybe try hypnotherapy. So he googled me and he came to see me and he said, I cannot put my mask on. I'm absolutely terrified of it. He had sleep apnea, so he had to wear his mask at night. His quality of life, his doctor had said his quality of life was decreasing because he didn't use his CPAP mask at all. He was terrified of the mask. So I asked him why he was so frightened of wearing his mask, and he said he'd been in a situation where he'd been held hostage, where his somebody had covered his mouth over. And of course, a CPAP mask is very invasive, isn't it? And he said, I just can't get past it. He said, I've not even taken it out of the pack, I just keep looking at it, and it's you know, I took it out of the box, but it's still in the cell phone. He said, Um, yeah, I can't I can't do it. So I said, well, okay then, let's see how we go. So I booked him in for I think it was five sessions. He didn't need five sessions. By the fourth session, he came to see me. We never talked about the mask. All we all we talked about was his feelings of anxiety, how you know how he wanted to make those changes. So I gave him tools and strategies to help him manage those feelings. And I think it was the fourth session he came back and he said, Um, I actually slept with my mask on last night. And I said, Really? And he said, You feel better now. And so we didn't do the fifth session. I did offer it to him, and he said, No, I think I'm fine. So I'm hoping that he he may return to deal with the other past issues, but I've just left it open to him. He knows where I am, and um, you know, hopefully he'll come back one day, or you never know, he might not need it because that domino effect works, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 18:49

But that was that's also something I think we should need tentatively to talk about. Hypnosis is really something that the client is doing. So once you have been hypnotized successfully for an issue, I don't mean going to a stage show and something like a ketchup or whatever they do. It it it um it helps your brain relax enough. You can almost do it to yourself. The self-hypnosis is extremely effective. And it isn't a hundred percent. I I go to see a hypnotist for uh certain kinds of issues, but I use hypnosis on myself, like just going to sleep. I used to talk with Mark a lot of time about it.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

You could just think, I'm done now, I need to go to sleep. But it does, it does work though, doesn't it? I know we've discussed this before that really self-hypnosis should be taught in schools, it should be offered to people to help themselves because there's it it's non-invasive, it has fantastic results, but also you're in control, the client's in control all the time. People do think because of stage hypnosis and because they've seen you know mind games on you know television or wherever, that it's us that are in control, and it's not because when I first meet people and they say to me, Oh, what do you do for a living? And I say, I'm a clinical hypnotherapist, and they'll go, Oh, you know, you're not gonna make me give your, you know, you my pin number of my, you know, my bank card, or I don't uh sit too near in case I get revealed deep dark secrets. And I always think they're not going to do that. So when you explain to them that they're in control all the time, sometimes they think, we're not trust themselves. They are, and it's it's but right back to that thing we said about when you are wanting to make the changes, you make the changes because you want to change, not for somebody else. Uh sleep talk.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Yes, because that is the you come, you see us so that we can teach you how to do this, but you would be talking to your child and helping them with any number of issues.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

But I'm a I'm a huge advocate of parents talking to the children when they're yeah, I think children should be I've spoken too often, but more specifically in that la la period when they're not quite awake and they're not quite asleep.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah, it really can solve a lot of issues.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

But if you if you think about it, a lot of hypnotherapists will sell recordings that you can just put on a loop and listen to over and over again while you sleep. So, what better approach to use than teaching parents how to deliver something very, very similar to children? But if you do it on a regular basis every single night, then those changes, you know, do occur. I'm I myself absolutely love it.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

I mean I'll point out this is.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

not this is not parents having to be having to be therapist you're not going to be it's helping children to sleep it's helping children to feel more confident more in empowered in their own lives it is and also it usually run runs alongside them coming to see me as well so it's not just showing the parents what to do and then they go off on the merry way the the child usually come you know is coming back to to see me but it it is so so good and what better time to do it is when a child sleep I remember and this is just an example of how our subconscious mind works I remember seeing a child quite a few years ago uh a child who's all of a sudden just started to uh panic when it was time for bed would not sleep on on their own wanted to sleep with mum didn't want to leave you know mum and there was all kinds of uh repercussions going on you know for going to school separation and he came to see me and through conversations and talking to him explaining to me I think it was about eight or nine it transpired that because he wouldn't sleep with mum what without mum sorry what mum was doing was mum was letting him doze on the sofa at night covering him over with a blanket and she was watching horror films. Oh perfect but thinking well well my child's fast asleep so um and that's how you know uh the more I talked to him the more I found out that he believed that monsters was underneath his bed there's monsters coming out the drawers the cupboards and he could hear people screaming and it was only when I started to talk more about it than I realized that something must be going on somewhere so I asked Mumma I said when when he gets ready for bed do you do you go to bed and she said no she said he just sleeps on the sofa and then I carry him upstairs you know or um I'll take him upstairs so she said that's my time and my time for you know watching the television so I asked her what she watched and she said horror films so you can see you can see that the subconscious mind doesn't sleep yeah did you encourage her to take him and put him in his bed or even if it was going to be the same one she was sleeping in so and then she went and watched the horror films afterwards I think I think she might have even stopped watching horror films as well. Excellent idea yeah I think it shocked her you know so much uh because she realized that it was her fault it was but we don't know these things do we you know when parenting's hard enough as it is you know without thinking oh well I better not do that you know just in case they just get a degree in psychology first before I do that yeah exactly exactly but yeah that some of some of the differences that using hypnosis with with children as well as adults is is just amazing habits nail biting fantastic yeah fussy food yeah fussy food children with RFID which is a food avoidance and I've worked with a few children with RFID that uh to help them to start making better choices you know instead of like just bland food what's the usual trigger for the original objection to whatever it might be it could be anything it could be neurodivergence or it could be just because they have only ever eaten certain foods and and they have a sense of control over those foods as well right so so this oh no that's new I can't possibly try that yeah yeah put the if you put the onus on them to making the a different choice and just giving it a go it makes it that much easier for them to make those changes but I had a little boy who would only have pepperoni pizza from a certain shop a supermarket and he would only have that he wouldn't have it if family went for a meal somewhere he wouldn't double pizza shop yes it would be from that it had to be from a supermarket and it was a frozen one you know luckily she could she could get them in bulk and um but that's all he would eat that and think it was uh we have I am not averse to the old pizza I had pizza yesterday we went to Hattonfield in my favorite shop that much as I steady diet it is definitely not a good idea. See I love pizza I would have pizza every day but unfortunately I can't eat pizza anymore but this little boy he this behavior started to change so he could he could control what mum and dad did so if mum and dad wanted to go out for a meal with him and it and his sibling they didn't go because he wouldn't eat anything and it became you know more and more of a control so with him not being aware that he was being I think I think he knew he knew what he was doing. I think he had um secondary gains by you know I I do but it all worked out because I but he gave it up he did give up for the he he did change he did he did he started making changes and the the change it was slow but the changes was there and and we included a a little bit of sleep talk as well so mum and dad were um used to deliver the sleep talk every you know every evening for about I think it was for about a month and that made some really good changes because then of course because they popped those suggestions in it became his idea of let's try this and let's try that so he did he did it wasn't a massive change it wasn't a massive change over you know all the sessions but it still was a change that just kept evolving and often it's just the first step yeah yeah yeah and it it was it was so worth it just so worth it nail biting thumb sucking this all this all yeah there's so many things yeah oh yeah so many um one of the the most um amazing changes that I did see was a guy that came to see me his daughter was getting married and he had to do like the um father the bride speech and um he was very very very nervous so he never told anybody who was doing it and he came to see me and he didn't tell anybody who was doing no he didn't he didn't tell he didn't tell his wife he didn't tell his daughter and he came to see me and he sent me a video of the uh the wedding of the successful wedding and it was so fluent you know it was just fantastic and he told his wife and his daughter that he'd been to see a hypnotherapist so yeah it's funny um I remember I must have been two years ago I had a guy who was summer um who wanted help with public speaking but what blew me away was that he was a litigating attorney he taught at university to 300 400 years at a time at a time he could present arguments in certain situations but if he wanted to go talk to the the neighborhood watch about something he would get a little because it was outside his usual location and it he I think he saw me three times because it was summer and he was driving that was the other part of the he he was in the 70s and he was involved in Italy and so they still part of the year he'd be over here or part of the yeah he'd be over there so it's it is lovely and very similar I've I've saw someone a couple of years ago he was a barrister yeah I saw a barrister he was a very tall guy now I'm only five foot one five foot two if I breathe in um and he must have been six four very tall guy with a very deep voice a very nice you know deep voice and as you know barristers have to deliver that was a he was interesting their closing speeches don't they and um when he was uh when he he worked with um a company his senior used to say to him you need to up your game when you you know you're delivering that because you're very tall you've got a very deep voice you need to use those to you know be able to deliver it perfectly so he came to see me fantastic absolutely fantastic the changes in him so we have a an approach a modality that we use that where you're using your inner control room your like master control room so I took this guy into his inner control room and he was making these changes these fundamental changes you know about his tonality his body language you know his delivery his pause his everything and he had pulleys and I wish I could have videoed it because he's like this with these yeah you know hopefully he doesn't know that he's talking but the the the change in him was just fantastic and and it's just it's things like that that you just think yeah I'm so glad that I do this really am yeah yeah I I think it definitely is one of one of the great gifts to the therapist is that you see change in your client so soon after you start working with them which the other therapists usually do not have the privilege of seeing yeah yeah you don't sell single sessions do you no i i i um work by I see people for two sessions is one price and they buy two sessions yeah because I want them to give it a chance like the gentleman that had that first session and nothing worked maybe if we hadn't set up the second session already it would not come back and you wouldn't have the changes so it's that's to see me at all you pay this much and I will give you two sessions and recordings and yeah something and based on that we decide how long it's going to take you to to take care of whatever the issue is the vast majority of things are taken care of with the two sessions right the vast majority the difference that I know of course is weight doesn't fall off that way.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

So if I've seen somebody for a week I've got ice I see them every week because two weeks of the launch after we go to and it's mostly so I can sort of gauge how they're doing and when they need a new audio at night so they can listen to that. Yeah yeah how many recordings would you give a typical client who who say bought you know so many sessions that's the three months for weight loss it's usually about four because we get an initial one that the initial one is is usually very generic because I don't know them well enough yet to know exactly what and then we can get we can hungly on what and and of course as they get to know me they get much chattier. Yeah and I find out when they're going to a great animal time of birthday or what they can get all of those things can be worked into and I have never had a hypnosis weight loss trying to finish a three month session. They all bail by about nine weeks.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Not because they've given up but we said I've got I you know I know where you are I can come back they're doing which is great yeah so what I do with children is I usually offer them a a package I offer parents a package or a a pathway however you want you know to see it and it could include sleep talk or it could include just a recording. What I do do with a lot of children is I offer them for example three or four sessions and within those three or four sessions we will have a story to create between us and that story will have metaphors in and the outcome of the story will sort of match what they're going through. But the child will create this story with me and it's mostly their ideas I might add a few suggestions into them and then what I do afterwards at the end is I record the story and send it to them so they've got that story to keep uh which is nice you know and sometimes I've printed the story off and put it in a an A4 frame and sent it to them as a little gift. I also offer bespoke recordings so I like you said I will get to know my clients a little bit better find out what makes them tick you know how they work and I will make that recording sometimes it's for rest sometimes it's for relaxation sometimes it's to stop all that noise that's going on so it just depends but I I have their names in them so they're all made just for the clients and it just makes it that little bit um more unique it's it's also a little bit more hard work for me because I have to have to like create it and then you know record it. But I just think it's nice you know to be able to do that and the stories that I have I must have Denise about 180 stories all recorded ready and I need to get them into print really yeah yeah you know so my thinking though I mean you've got to get concept from each co-writers for each speech yeah possibly yeah so I have offered more than six sessions for clients with more complex needs i.e stroke brain aneurysms um addictions so yeah I think we question one thing that's that's interesting the the people with stroke victims are you helping them to regain speech or to remember things what's the what are you helping it because they're also then most stroke victims will be in physical therapy of some kind of speech therapy so it just depends what they want it just depends what they want so I have had a guy who wants to be able to switch off at night and sleep and he was struggling to do that because he was you know he he'd spent he was married for 50 50 odd years and he was no longer you know sleeping with his wife who was in a bed downstairs and he you know he uh also with with stroke issues for it and also you can get very depressed can't you after a um a stroke so I went to see him about that I also had a guy that had a little bit of movement to his hand and he wanted to increase that movement so we wore we worked on sending the messages a different way so what we did with that that was quite interesting we found out his favorite car I can't remember what make it was but it was his favorite car that he absolutely loved and he used to send this car down to create new uh neuropathways or and that was lovely that was a really lovely unfortunately what's even love more lovely about that is exactly what the brain was doing it was making those pathways that's how you recover from a stroke yeah but there's there's no limit is there to what we can do and who we can help really and that's mostly because your subconscious is on all the time it's in everything you do think say yeah yeah yeah yeah but again to reiterate what we've said in the past before you often do not have to tell the himitants you have to relive whatever traumatic thing has gone through we need to know enough that we're you know we're not just throwing balls everywhere really yeah we need to know that we're we're hitting all the target is don't we yeah exactly yeah we need to know what you know exactly what what your goals are you know as a client what you want to you know to get out of the sessions in order to hit those markers so I will remind everybody that in the show notes there will be connections to both of us that we're very welcome to get us up for an answer to something and you know it's not emails free to email what would you do for this well I don't know it depends on first but yes you can talk to either of us and and indeed your local hypnotist in the wherever you find a local hypnotist the vast majority of hypnotist are ethical and what to help you with your problem that's not what size fits all.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

And also we're both on social media so I'm sure you find Denise and I on social media at the end of this video I have two podcasts one radio show a second radio show possibly coming up and there's another there's a a doctor specific group that I'm gonna start writing for and I'm gonna have to hypnotize myself so I get some of this work done.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

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SPEAKER_00 40:36

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SPEAKER_01 40:38

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