Guest Nova Lewis of Essex Hypnosis

Denise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com office@aahypnosis.com

Les Roberts ACH  www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk contact@lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk

Nova Lewis www.essex-hypnosis.co..uk nova@essex-hypnosis.co.uk

(0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise  Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom.

Speaker 3

(0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.

Speaker 1

(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children.

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(0:25) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist.

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(0:29) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking. (0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:36) Hello everybody from wherever you are in this world.(0:39) This is Two Hypnotherapists Talking, myself and Denise. (0:43) And we have a special guest on today, which is Nova. (0:47) And Nova runs Essex Hypnosis down south in England.(0:54) Welcome Nova. (0:55) Hello.

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(0:56) Or as we would say, over the pond.

Speaker 1

(1:01) Yeah, but I'm a bit over from south. (1:03) I just wanted to say down south, you see.

Speaker 3

(1:09) That's reasonable. (1:11) Okay, so Nova, what did you first concentrate on in hypnosis when you started walking?

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(1:22) So my first thing that I started with was quit smoking. (1:28) Wow. (1:29) Yeah.

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(1:30) Did you find it easy to market that? (1:33) I get a lot of people ask me if I do it, but when I say yes, they don't call for appointments.

Speaker 2

(1:40) Yeah, I did in the beginning. (1:42) Yeah, I did market it because it was one of the only things I was doing. (1:47) So yeah, I had to push for quit smoking clients.(1:54) Yeah.

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(1:56) How long is the program that you use to get something from smoking heavily to not smoking at all? (2:09) It is one session. (2:10) Three sessions.(2:11) One session.

Speaker 2

(2:12) One session. (2:13) Yeah. (2:14) Is it a longer session?

Speaker 1

(2:16) How long is the session?

Speaker 2

(2:17) Yeah, yeah. (2:18) So it can the session can go anything up to two hours. (2:22) Right.(2:23) Okay. (2:23) And a bit more sometimes just rings out the hypnotist usually.

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(2:31) Yeah.

Speaker 1

(2:32) Yeah. (2:33) Just through just talking about this, weren't we before we started recording and we were talking about how long we've all been, you know, practicing and what you know, what our easiest thing was. (2:46) And you said, Nova, your easiest thing was spoken.(2:50) And Denise and I both went, well, the easiest thing, because it's not there, is it really?

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(2:57) Well, people have so many reasons for asking about non-smoking programs without really engaging them. (3:03) They are not the ones asking. (3:05) It's because they want to change because of their girlfriend or because of their kids or whatever.

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(3:09) It's got to come from them. (3:11) Exactly. (3:12) And I find that I always with all my clients, if they're coming in for quit smoking, I will always say to them, are you doing this for you?(3:23) Is this about you wanting to do it? (3:26) Because I've had people contact me before that have said, oh, no, I'm doing it for ex family member or they want me to stop because I've got this wrong with me. (3:37) But then you're not doing it for you.

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(3:38) You never have anybody say, my doctor wants me to quit.

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(3:45) No, it's never about the doctor.

Speaker 1

(3:48) No, no. (3:49)

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to two episodes Talking with Me today in Delaware USA.

SPEAKER_02 0:05

I'm the drop at St. Allen United.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnotism. And the benefits of the doctor.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant. We are two hypnotherapists talking. So let's get on with the episode. Hello, everybody, from wherever you are in this world. This is two hypnotherapists talking, myself and Denise. And we have a special guest on today, which is Nova, and Nova runs Essex Hypnosis down south in uh in England. Welcome, Nova.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Hello. Yeah, but I'm I'm a bit over from South. Yeah, you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

I just wanted to say down south, you see.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

That's reasonable. Okay, so Nova. When what did you first concentrate on in hypnosis when you started working?

SPEAKER_01 1:21

So my first thing that I started with was quit smoking. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Yeah. Did you find it easy to market that? I get a lot of people ask me if I do it, but when I say yes, I don't call for approval.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I I did in the beginning, yeah, I did market it because it was one of the only things I was doing. So yeah, I had to push for quit smoking clients. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

So as as a how long is your sorry, go on, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

You can go on. I was gonna say, how long is the program that you use to get uh somebody from smoking heavily to not smoking at all? It is one session. Three sessions, one session.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

One session, yeah. Is it a longer session than the session can go anything up to two hours? Right, okay. And a bit more sometimes, just depends.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

It kind of rings out the hypothesis usually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

We were just we were just talking about this, weren't we, before um we started recording and we were talking about how long we've all been, you know, practicing and and what you know what our easiest thing was. And you said Nova, your easiest thing was uh spoken. And Denise and I both went, What the easiest thing? Because it's not though, is it really?

SPEAKER_00 2:56

But that people have so many reasons for asking about not smoking programs without really engaging them. They they are not the ones asking it's they want to change because of their girlfriend, not because of the kids or whatever, it's got to come from them. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

And that's I always with all my clients, if they're coming in for quit smoking, I will always say to them, Are you doing this for you? Is this about you wanting to do it? Because I've had people contact me before that have said, Oh no, I'm doing it for ex-family member, or they want to stop because I've got this wrong with me, but then you're not doing it for you.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

But you never you never have anybody saying, My doctor wants me to quit.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Doctors are begging his patients.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

No, no, it's never about the doctor, no, no, but it's it's it is so easy to ask those questions, isn't it? You know, who are you giving up smoking for, why are you giving up smoking? Because these these are these are are fundamental in uh as to you know our approach or whether we actually accept them, really, isn't it? Because, like you said, if somebody's giving up smoking for their wife or their husband or the kids, it doesn't work, they have to do it for themselves. They're gonna turn into people to go down go down the bottom of the car to have a smoke. Exactly, exactly. In my position, that's what I did. My husband asked me to give up smoking because he does he does he's never smoked, and I alright, I only smoked a few cigarettes uh, you know, a day, but I was still classed as a smoker, and he asked me and I said, Yeah, but I missed it too much, so I became this secret smoker, and that's honestly, I became the secret smoker. So when I did give up, I waited a few months and then I told him, uh thinking, you know, he might go, Oh, well done. And he just went, and you don't think I know, you know. And I was quite jumped at that, thinking, how does he know? I did everything, you know, sprays, you know, chewing, gone, brush my teeth and everything. But when you're in when you're a non-smoker, you know, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 5:07

You don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Yeah, yeah. But I think now the the big thing now is people will come and say, No, I don't smoke, but I vape. Yes, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

What do you do? What do you say to them though, Nova? When they come to see you and say, I want to give up smoking, but uh I want to vape. What do you say?

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Yeah, no, because that is not defeating the object. It's like I I've had someone come to me before that wanted to um stop smoking cigarettes but wanted to continue smoking marijuana. Yeah, yeah. You can't do it, you cannot do it.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

And it comes in so many other forms now, and it's legal in most states. What's the what's the legal situation with marijuana, illegal?

SPEAKER_02 5:59

It's it's illegal to sell it, but I think you can have it for your own people. You can have a certain amount, can't you?

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Yeah, but I don't know how and some doctors can prescribe it.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, we had that situation for a while and then it went. Now it's just you just walk around to you see a sign that's the marijuana.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

You can get it's not swapping just one thing for another, but trying to tell themselves, kid themselves, that the you know they're not a smoker when they're smoking um marijuana. Yeah, the same as vaping, it's the same thing, it's the same actions, and it's not the addiction to nicotine, is it? That you know, it's everything, it's all the actions, all those sensory feedbacks you get that you're still getting when you're vaping, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

And and the thing is it with the vaping, it's even you know, if you think about it, because of all the flavors that you can get, it's targeted at children. So they're doing it and thinking nothing of it, and it's it's damaging them, and it's just so dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Well, there's there's not a lot uh we already know what cigarettes do. We already know that um there's over 400 chemicals, isn't there, in in cigarettes, and then the tobacco, the rolling tobacco, there's this chemicals in that, it's never it's never pure, it's never raw or anything, but we haven't done enough research, in my opinion, about vaping, whether it's nicotine vaping or whether it's you know, I just don't think we've done enough. Just the flavors, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

So have you been asked, have you been asked but for any children? Have you worked with any kids to give up vaping or smoking?

SPEAKER_01 7:42

No, not for vaping. No, I mean I do work with children, but not not for vaping.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yeah, I have. I've seen a few children for vaping, and it's just they're usually about say uh uh I think one was 13, one was 15.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

That just just to confuse the picture. We were talking, we were talking about 13, the ones that had to want to stop. Was that because the kids wanted to stop or because the parents wanted to stop? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Um I think it was a lot of pressure, especially one of them who's 13. I think it was an awful lot of pressure from the parents, of course, because they were only 13. And um funnily enough, there was a lot of shame on mum's, you know, mum mum's behalf going, oh, you know, like my child doing this. Um, but he actually admitted when I when I did agree to see him, I didn't just do one session, I actually did um three three sessions with him. Um, but he actually admitted that it was peer pressure, you know, finishing school, going out with his friends after school, and they started doing it. So he felt pressured in into doing it himself, but it got to the point because you can carry it round everywhere you go, in the bathroom, you know, at school, you can go into the toilet, you know, whatever. And it was just constantly, but funnily enough, I was sat at the traffic lights not far from my house um a couple of uh days ago, and I sat with my husband and we watched a lady cross over just one set of traffic lights, and she must have had four takes of her vape just while she was crossing the traffic lights, and you just think, oh my goodness, you know it's it is amazing, like you know, the um like for instance, I can go um to an appointment, and some people can't um get through doing their workload without having to in between having a vape.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, um yeah, which is true of cigarettes as well. I mean it's it's the same. Yeah. Okay, let me do it on it.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Except except I think with vaping it it's easier.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

It is, it isn't. And the reason why I got smoking really was I was a social smoker, you know, like when I was younger, and then I didn't smoke at all when I had the children, and then I went back to work when my youngest was a couple of months old, and I actually worked behind a bar, absolutely loved working behind the bar, it was so much fun. But the only time that I got a break was if I smoked.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

Yeah, I was thinking that you started that little story. It is it's one for a non-smoker, it's one of the things why didn't they get more breaks? Because they're addicted. Why can't I just go outside and breathe the air? Why can't I just go outside and matter?

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yeah, well, whereas now as a non-smoker, I I think, well, look at me, you know, like uh my lungs are healthier than yours, so to speak, now. I mean, I don't work behind the bar as you know now, but um I actually I feel sorry for people who smoke, and I know that sounds awful, but I do feel sorry for people that smoke. Yeah, because I just do now.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

I think something else is controlling their life.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Yeah, I think it was part of the the way it was delivered to me, you know. Um, that you you should feel empowered when you see somebody smoking and no, thank you, I don't smoke, and you can actually start feeling sorry for them. So, you know, it is, but I I can be sat at um sat in a car and uh the car in front of me smokes and it comes back, it comes into the car. This thing about me fooling my husband for years and years is who was a kid in, you know.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

So actually, one of the interesting things in in the States now that it is now legal to to use marijuana. There are certain sections of the town, you you cross over the street, and all of a sudden you've got you don't not see clouds, but you just smell of so unforgettable.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yeah, yeah, those fruit ones you can you can smell them all off, can't you? Yeah, uh well, I mean, Denise talking about marijuana a minute ago. It's um yeah, around where I live, you smell it all the time. Walk down the road and it's yeah, it's just constant.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Yeah. Yeah, it's um all right. So, how would you, as a hipist, help somebody who realizes that giving control of their money and their life to tobacco is a bad idea. And what's your what's the first thing you do with when you wants to stop spending?

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Okay, well, that's fine. It's a 10-year habit since they left school right. So first things first, I think I normally um talk to them about their habits. I go through um a form with them that I've made up um this form, and I ask them lots of questions on there and I ask them how many they smoke a day. I even ask them how many puffs they think that they take from each cigarette, and then I work that out over the week how many puffs they're having. Um, and that seems to kind of throw them a little bit because it's a lot normally. I then I explain to them about nicotine and what goes into it. I suppose all the chemicals, I talk about the chemicals, but I think my one of my favourite bits that I like to tell my clients is the part about the tobacco leaves when they're picked and the fact that where they're picked from that there are no toilets. And it's I love I love using that because when you see the client's face, when you say, Oh, you know, what do you think that they're using when they need to go to the toilet? Because there's no toilets, so what are they using to wipe themselves? Wow, and you just see their faces drop all the chemicals, it's almost like that doesn't really mean very much to them.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

But as soon as you start talking about feces because if you think about the chemicals, they don't know what chemicals are they are. I I don't know if you read the box of most things that you buy in the shop, there's a list of mile more anyway.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Exactly. No, it's just food. I mean, I do I do go into some of the the chemicals, like um, you know, I said that formal beehyde, that that can be used as embalming. Ambalide. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, amaldehyde, yeah. So embalming fluid, and you know, when you say um acetone, you know, now varnish removal. So things like that, they catch on to those things when I expect but the feces. And almost everybody complains about the smell of that, don't they? Yeah, acetone out. Oh, that's not but the the feces is the best one, and then and then obviously I I go into a case study, um, and uh that that's where I talk about my own mother because she died of cancer and it was lung cancer. Um, so I do what she was a smoker herself. She used to be a smoker. She did, she did give up smoking, but um she was passively smoking where she worked after giving up. So, yeah, but she died of lung cancer. And I go into a case study about her because I know that story in and out from the surgery that she had to have to have part of her lung removed to the chemotherapy where she only could only have one session because it damaged her liver and kidneys, and then the radiotherapy and going through all of that, and then I don't tell the client that until the very end that actually I'm talking about my mother, and then I go into you know, realistically, it's not the person passing away, it's the people that they leave behind, and that information. Yeah, and I I've got to say, nine times out of ten, by the time I finish doing that, they're already crying, and I've not even started the hypnosis, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

So, yeah, I think you just have to be very honest and um brutally so as sorry, my voice is gone, and brutally so as well, don't you? Yeah, this is not something that a client say, you know, who wants to give up smoking, he's going to invest in this lightly. Are they they're going into it to actually get those results to give to get those solutions so that they don't smoke again? And we discussed earlier on, just before um we started the recording that um I'm very, very brutal with them so much so I take them to intensive care, I take them to the morgue sometimes. You're not speaking of physically taking them, you're in their imagination.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

In their imagination, yeah. I think if I took them there, they'd probably give up straight. I know I I even I even do the whole thing of the who's on the front row of your funeral. Yeah. And I take them into that as well. And it's yeah, it's and you need that because that is that is the reality that the risk that they're taking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

You know, and it's not just the other thing, I think that the other thing is that that people can get lung cancer and die from lung cancer and not be smokers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not common, but it does have my mother. Yeah, smoke two cigarettes when she was used to the mother of the kit. My dad was a smoker until he was 40. My mum died, dad was 1260 and had not smoked for 20 years. And it it just yeah, it's not well, it's my lungs, I can do what I want. No, it's everybody on the planet.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

As a doctor, though, Denise, you know, don't you? As as a medical doctor, you know that if you've got that cancerous gene in your, you know, your family, the chances of you are good. Yeah, it just it just hires it up, doesn't it? You know, so um why it's a lottery, why play? You know, it's um why play with it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

It's Russian roulette, isn't it? You might as well take the gun.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Yeah, yeah, you might as well, yeah. And also if you if you think about it, they they say that smoking, oh I can't give up smoking at uh um I'm too stressed, or I can't give up smoking because I put weight on, or I can't give up smoking, you know, for different reasons.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

It's a it's surprising how many women will tell you that if they stop smoking, they'll gain weight. There's so many people I can help you with that too. Yeah, but that's because that is the problem. Not putting it on is easier than taking it off.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Exactly, but that's because they're replacing one uh behavior for another behaviour. But um, you know, hopefully a good uh therapist will you know will help them with that. But it's it's it's like they have to they have to be very, very sure, you know, that this is what they want to do. And unfortunately, again, we're one of the last resorts that people turn to, aren't we? Because they'll go through the smoking cessation with our National Health Service, and you know, uh what you have over there, Denise, in in the USA. Does the NHS pay for therapists to help them with uh there isn't any therapist for therapists?

SPEAKER_00 19:24

What medications do they prescribe? What's that?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

The last time I worked on a respiratory ward was uh about six, seven years before lockdown, anyway. So about six, seven years, something like that. And they they brought vapes in, then they were bringing vapes in, but they also had nicotine patches, and I'm not quite sure.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Don't they not realise that's like that honestly is like saying, Oh, you don't like to be on heroin here, have some method.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

Yeah, well, this is this is what the smoking cessation team did when I worked on a spiritual ward. The the smoking cessation team came in and they gave them patches, they offered, well, this is what they offered. They offered patches, they offered uh vape, and I'm sure, don't quote me, but I'm sure at one point or other they offered this thing called champics, which is I think they're tablets that apparently they don't taste very nice and and they have quite a lot of side effects. There was there was no therapy. So in the on the respiratory ward, I did um I worked there three uh on three occasions as you know through an agency. It was when I was building my business up, and I saw the same people, it was the same people that were coming through. I said something to one of the the nurses, and the nurse said, This is what it's like, it's like a conveyor belt, you know, they will go around like that carousel, you know, that luggage carousel that they will just go around and keep coming back because they either don't want to, or if they do, they haven't got that that right support. What would it take for them to bring in a therapist? I don't know. Do you have therapists over there in the USA for uh affiliated jobs?

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Oh, there are more yes, but of course, what pri no the insurance doesn't pay for a lot of stuff. I don't know what they'll pay for in therapy for that. Some of them do, but they used to be usually those things tend to have to be time restricted. You can have six weeks of therapy for this. Well, as we know, working with people is you know problem six weeks might be nothing depending on what the issue is. Because because that I can get you to stop smoking in one go is correct. But that person's gonna be absolutely ready to quit. And you may have to work for several weeks before they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Yeah, there's a there's a lot of preamble involved, isn't it? Isn't there in what we do, the same as uh what Nova said about, you know. um how you know before hypnosis starts you're already you're already telling them do you have because I do I do it in one session but do you have sort of a backup just in case or is it one session and that's it?

SPEAKER_01 22:14

So how I do it, I do the one session, they get a recording with that. Right. And also I have almost like an open door policy for three months after where they can cut if if for any reason and it's it's only ever happened once I have to say and that was somebody that had the session they went through a major trauma in their life and they started smoking again and they came back in to see me I done the session and they were fine after that but yeah because that because of that happening I done the three months where they can come back and for free basically you would do for free another session for free. Yeah but it wouldn't if they so need it and it wouldn't but it wouldn't be as long as it wouldn't be as long and I change it slightly I would I make I do changes there's other ones that I do that I make changes to it. So I change scenarios and so would you would you sort of identify where they're failing in in and and use those right okay yeah but to to be honest as I said it's only that one person that ever came back and that was because they had gone through a major trauma yeah and then I just I worked with them again and and and they stopped and that was that so apart from that no one's ever come back but because of that one client I kept that in place as a just in case the backup but they get the recording so they you know I do a full recording for them um and they get that also.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

So what what sorts of things are you saying on your recording or is it is it is it bespoke to each client yeah it's but yeah some some of them I can do like a a tailored recording but most of them I don't need to I just do like a backup recording that I for everything that we've done in the session and okay yeah okay yeah yeah I've never thought about doing that have you Denise honestly the people that ask me about it never call me for sessions I think they want to hear oh no it doesn't work yeah get them all about I think having I wonder sorry come on Denise why does it say how much follow-up do you have with clients they've gone away do you hear from them do you hear periodically do you send them an email every Christmas or I will send them I will message them to see how they're getting on and then then I leave it to them but they're that's it they then just they go off and do their thing or if they want to come back they sometimes they come back for something else because obviously I've dealt with them for that then they come back for something else and it's because they know that that's worked and they want other things being dealt with which I think sometimes well as we know as therapists that when somebody comes in for one thing there's normally something underlying as well very few of us have only a problem exactly yeah so I think you know that that quit smoking is forms the basis of building the relationship to actually what is really going on you get a lot of them for wage afterwards no I don't actually the connection that people see between smoking and weight is yeah no I mean the well if it's weight they normally just come in for weight and if they're smoking they're smoking and they don't want to stop smoking they just want to lose the weight so yeah so the lady the lady that I saw today for smoking she actually um just as she was leaving she said uh well I I came in first so I said what do you mean so she said well I'm one I'm one of quite a few people who are just they're just waiting to see how it works and and then she said and and pressure yeah one thing she said and if it works I went nope let's stop you now when it works yeah uh and she went all right okay I said when it works I said then you tell everybody but I had um quite a few years ago I had uh a gentleman come on with his wife and his sister in law and all three of them gave up smoking and he is probably one of my biggest advocates you know if ever he sees anything any of my posts he'll go yeah you know like Les you know Les did this and everything and it's great when that happens it's not so great when it doesn't you know when when like you said people come back and and say it doesn't work but I had this is why I'm I'm very careful about who I take and um I don't really see as many adults as I used to because I work predominantly with children but I remember seeing a guy and one of the first questions I asked him very very similar to you you both is who you're giving up smoking for and he was adamant it was him he had the full session walked out it was summer as well and my windows was open walked out straight away lit up as soon as he got outside so I I yell out the window yeah I I could smell it and I went downstairs and he was walking where I where I'm um I'm based it's like um a pedestrianised uh area and I just went after him and I just said can I just ask you why you've done that um and he said so we we ask those questions don't we about um you know if um who you're gonna give up for is it for yourself make sure it is for them what do you do do you actually turn people away when they say no uh it's for my wife or it's for the kids or yeah I will I will ask them if they say you know I I I'm doing it for them and then I will say to them but what about you?

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah are you ready do you actually want to do this yeah most of the time it's yes I want to do this um but if it's a no then it's not it's not going to work and I'm just honest with them.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Or if they don't sound convincing if they don't sound convincing yeah they're telling you it's for them yeah because it's I would offer I I haven't yet because they don't walk in the door but I would offer them a different kind of session first.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

What do you think of my first session is there's two sessions yeah it's not just about taking their money is it it's about helping them it's about helping them find those solutions helping them to continue to be be a non-smoker but also what's the first thing that they blame when they they go outside they're not gonna blame themselves are they exactly no it doesn't work it doesn't work yeah it doesn't work and of course that some of them they come in and they think you know that you're gonna wave this magic wand and it's all going to be okay and that's it you're gonna stop like that and that's exactly that's going to be it and that's not reality.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Do you always do a pre-meeting consultation a first call with you so we can talk about the ones we get I mean I yeah I do I do the phone call and then and then I bring them in and then I just do a chat with them just to talk about them and then I just do the session there and then. So yeah I do have the telephone consultation um but yeah stop smoking is one of the only ones where I don't really bring them in beforehand to do a full consultation because I add that into the actual session itself.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

The lady that I saw today I'm sure she won't mind me me telling you she uh as well as calling me a not very nice name but a a complimentary because I was quite brutal with her with the way I deliver my uh smoking cessation but she also no nonsense northerner exactly yeah she um she has um she has um sleep apnea she has emphysema she has COPD which is for those of you that don't know it's chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder disease sorry um and she also has asthma so do do you have enough studies that prove if you give it up it helps within about five years you've got I've got a few yeah I've got a few maybe I do yeah maybe we need to do a little bit more which we you know especially um you know ready for Stockton really we could do with um having that evidence but uh yeah so she had all of this and she was being investigated for narcolepsy as well um so you know she had all of these things against her and she really did want to give up plus her daughter wouldn't bring the children to her house if she wanted to see the children she'd had to go to her daughter's house because the well done her daughter because yeah no no secondary exposure yeah but I think you know thinking about that I'm thinking did she really want to do that for herself I I should yeah I yeah I did ask her and I did say you know and kept going over and over again saying um you know you do need to give up for yourself not for your grandchildren but we did have three phone calls we did have three conversations where she'd ring me up and she'd say listen I just want to ask you about this just want to ask you so when she booked the appointment for today she cancelled it once because she had a hospital appointment which was more important and then when she rebooked I said are you sure you're doing it for you and she said yes because what she wants is she wants the children to go to her house and she wants them you know to get all excited saying we're going to nana's and you know um yeah I I I think I made the right you know choice the right decision yeah yeah no the fact that you had three phone calls with her that would say that yeah she was yeah I just wanted yeah because I I thought exactly the same as you denise and you Nova I I needed to make sure that she was doing it for the right reasons because it doesn't work if you want to give up for someone else and I'm a um you know a prime example and my husband asked me to give up you end up hiding it yeah do you ever Nova um do you ever put like little sort of um suggestions in that should they ever try or attempt to smoke again then the smoking will taste repulsive so I don't and the reason why I ask you is because do you not think that curiosity may get the better of them and they'll think well does it taste like that does it does it really do that yeah yeah I get that the the way in which I do it is that I say if they ever pick up a cigarette or a roll up as we like to call it over here that's where I do the suggestion.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Right. What do you say?

SPEAKER_02 33:41

So before it's even gone in their mouth right okay yeah yeah yeah so it's it's the the smell of fresh tobacco generally is nowhere near as bad as smell tobacco yeah it's quite a nice smell as a plant yeah but I do I do drop suggestions in that they will find it repulsive very repulsive extremely repulsive so repulsive you you know you won't even about touching it you know to touch it and then on the other hand help them to feel so empowered by saying no thank you I don't smoke yeah you know and I and I I put in there about the association that they when they see cigarettes now they realize that they're there you have no association to them you do not want them you don't yeah so all that kind of stuff to yeah yeah it's um mine mine's evolve evolved over the last you know like 10 years yeah um to the point where you know like I said I'm quite brutal in one in what I do but I do warn them I do tell them you know that I'm gonna take you to intensive care I'm gonna take you to the morgue but with this lady today I didn't take her to the morgue because I thought intensive care was enough because she was absolutely distraught yeah you know see being there and and me being the person I was to bring the grandchildren in well extreme she's like she wants to give it up for her grandchildren the idea of her grandchildren seeing her in the morgue would probably be not the not usually take a shot but yeah granny eventually granny or bend. Yeah yeah exactly exactly but I do remember um when I was doing my training I'd I always like to to talk about this with with my clients as well afterwards that I do remember my tutor telling uh our classroom that nicotine um you'd be able to tell me this Denise whether it's true or not but nicotine is if it it's strong enough to knock a horse out it's um and it's possibly what they used years and years and years ago to knock a horse out you know yeah even worse yeah even worse I've heard that I don't I have never heard that be okay well I'm gonna look it up and I have actually I don't mean knock a horse out as in sleep I mean worse you know like if if a horses had an accident in yeah I yeah I was when I was in my training the same thing yeah I was told the same thing yeah and I also tell my clients I'm letting all um everybody have these little snippets and secrets well they're not secrets I always tell my clients that when they don't have a cigarette for a while and they do have one and they get that rush of nicotine that makes them you know um sometimes the the um vision can go blurred they have a heart palpitation or they get old tingly all over their body I always tell them that it's the first signs of their body actually shutting down. Yeah and then I go and explain that five mils of nicotine would kill a human. Yeah you know so that's it's chewing up people's jobs yeah it's what sorry little children you know if you leave cigarettes lying around they'll chew them small children will chew most things when you're in the mood if you just think about the the generation you know that um we we grew up um because denise and I are probably nearer um age together than um than you Nova but uh it was it was trendy to smoke i mean I was very fortunate my my um mum never smoked my uh family never smoked my dad used to smoke a pipe and a the occasional cigar every so often if you watch old movies look at how many romantic cigarettes there are everybody yeah like that for you and after the waves as well in bed with a cigarette wouldn't they was a passion wasn't it was like yes yeah so a lot of the people that I do get for inquiries about smoking they're not that young really they're more like my age and older yeah you know or you know in between and and it's that generation isn't it you know where it was also that your body can compensate for a lot of things when you're younger as you get older it becomes more difficult it's harder to ignore it. So they do say that once you've given up smoking after so many years is it five six years Denise then your lungs are you know five yeah five years ago but thank you thanks very much Nova it's been to see you yeah very nice to see you again yeah it's been good to see you though it's um kind of are you still in the same business location you've I am I'm still in the same place yeah yeah still in the same place been there since 2019 in the building yeah still there still plodding along um all right so information on how to contact Nova if you only smoking by I never thought it's going we hope you've enjoyed listening please remember this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis and it's for educational purposes only so remember consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one