Aditional Modalities S8 Epi 11

Denise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com office@aahypnosis.com

Les Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk contact@lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk

Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more (0:14) about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:24) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:38) Wow. (0:39) Hello.(0:39) Hello. (0:41) How quick have we got to this already? (0:45) I know. (0:46) This year has gone so fast.(0:50) It's a third of the way through. (0:52) We're in the middle of April. (0:53) It's ridiculous.(0:53) Anyway, so what are we going to talk about today? (0:58) I don't know. (0:59) What would you like to talk about? (1:00) I'll tell you what I've just done this morning. (1:03) I have just held a class for EFT for tapping.(1:08) I've held a workshop for children about tapping, which is really, really good for them. (1:19) I don't think we've talked about it. (1:20) I don't think I've talked with Martin about that ever.(1:23) Although we've alluded to it probably. (1:26) We were trained in it in hypno school too. (1:28) There's so much stuff that's hypnosis adjacent.(1:33) I trained in it not long after I'd qualified. (1:37) I decided to train in it because I was just gathering everything together. (1:42) And I never used it.(1:43) It was something that I thought, well, I've got. (1:46) I didn't really use it. (1:47) But now I've started using it a lot with children, with adults as well.(1:52) I saw a young gentleman just before I came on here. (1:56) And he's using it to help him just, you know, sort of calm any anxieties down. (2:05) But the kids are really enjoying it.(2:07) And it's also very, it's very easy for people to do. (2:11) And for children, you want something to be very easy for them to do. (2:16) Yeah, so for those listeners who don't know what EFT is, (2:20) it stands for emotional freedom technique.(2:23) And we can use it to help us to tap out, literally tap out any blockages. (2:31) It's also called tapping. (2:33) So if you Google emotional freedom technique or tapping, (2:37) then you will see exactly what it is.(2:40) And the reason why I use it for children is it's very, very good (2:44) for helping them to sort of manage their emotions more effectively, (2:51) rather than just to think about it. (2:53) They're actually using a subjective support really, aren't they? (2:58) And it gives them something to do when they have those feelings come up (3:02) instead of tearing things or breaking things. (3:06) Yeah, so they say that by tapping, (3:09) by just tapping at certain points on your face, on your hand, (3:14) what it does is it opens up those blockages.(3:18) So I've explained it to the children today. (3:22) Not as that, because I don't think children would understand that. (3:25) So I've used it as a little exercise that they can do (3:30) to help them to understand where they are with their emotions.(3:34) Do you want to just like re-present to us, the audience now? (3:41) It'll be easier for people who are seeing the visual instead of my podcast, (3:45) which is only audio. (3:46) But if you could say where our hands are at the time. (3:49) Yeah, so I teach the child, (3:52) I know there's quite a lot of points on your hands and you can use your side.(3:57) So what I do is I condensed it down to eight points for the children. (4:02) So they start off with the karate chop and

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Two Hypotherapist Talking with me, Denise Bill and Mahia in Delaware, USA.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

And me, Let Robert in St. Helens, United Kingdom.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

We are two hypnotherapists talking. So let's get on with the episode. Wow. Hello. Hello. How quick have we got to this already?

SPEAKER_01 0:44

I know. This year has gone so fast already. It's a third of the way through, middle of April. It's ridiculous. Anyway. So what are we going to talk about today?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

I don't know. What would you like to talk about? I've just I tell you what I've just done this morning. I have just held a class for EFT for tapping. I've held a lot of that. Yeah, I've had a workshop for children about tapping, so which is really, really good for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

So I don't think we've talked about it, I don't think you talked about the margin about whenever although we've alluded to it probably. Yeah. We were trained in it in closest school too. Because it's there's so much stuff is sort of closest adjacent.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, yeah. It's I've tried I trained in it not long after I'd qualified. I decided to train it because I was just gathering everything together. And I never used it. It was something that I thought, well, I've got, didn't really use it. But now I've started using it a lot with children, with adults as well. I saw um a young gentleman just before I came on here, and he's using it to help him just you know, sort of calm any anxious down. Yeah, yeah. The kids are really interested.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Yeah, and it's also very it's very easy for people to do. For children, you want something to be very easy for them to do.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Yeah, so for for those listeners who don't know what EFT is, it stands for emotional freedom technique, and we can use it to help us to tap out, literally tap out any blockages. It's also called tapping. So if you Google emotional freedom technique or tapping, then you will see exactly what it is. And the reason why I use it for children is it's very, very good for helping them to sort of manage their emotions more effectively rather than just to think about it, they're actually using a subjective score, really, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 2:56

And it gives them something to do when they have those feelings come up instead of tearing things or breaking things.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yeah. So they they say that by tapping, by just tapping at certain points on your face, on your hand, what it does is it opens up those blockages. So I've explained it to the children today, not as that, because I don't think children would understand that. So I've used it as a little exercise that they can do to help them to understand where they are with their Do you want do you want to just like represent to us, the audience now?

SPEAKER_01 3:39

It'll be easier for people who are seeing the visual instead of my podcast, which is only audio, but if you can if you can say where your hands are at the time.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yeah, so I teach the children. I know this there's quite a lot of points on your hands, and you can use your side. So what but what I do is I condensed it down to eight points for the children. So they start off with the karate chop and they're just tapping there, and then they will tap then on their inner eyebrow, and then their outer eyebrow, under their eye, under the nose, on the chin, collarbone, and then on top of the head, take a deep breath, and then start again if they need it. So, what I do with the children is I ask the children to score, it's a subjective number, we know this, to score how their feeling is. So if it's say, for example, anger, I will ask them to score that feeling. Usually anger is like eight upwards to ten, if it's a tens maximum, and then zero is nothing. And for each round of EFT or tapping, after each round, they will score themselves again. But hopefully those scores are going down.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

For me, I've got a million examples of when I feel like it might be a good idea. But for a child, if you're talking to a bunch of kids, do you know what those children's issues are? Because you're teaching them to do this the next time you feel like you'd have a metal. So how do they recognise what to use it?

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Sometimes I do. Like today, the children were very open with their emotions and explaining how they feel. What I did is I asked them to think about the strongest emotion they have felt over the last few days. I've also had uh parents telling me how the children have been, because there's a reason why they come to see me for tapping, is because, you know, for some help. So we already had an idea of some of the children. Like two girls that I had today, especially in the group, uh struggle a lot with the anxiety. So they were sort of helping themselves to manage those feelings of anxiety. But I also teach them that there's a there's a reason why we have emotions, there's a reason why we have feelings, and how feelings, just to dampen things down for them, how feelings are just messages and they don't stay around that long. And they seemed to sort of get that really, really quickly, and that made them feel better as well. So that that was good. I also gave them a little tiny teddy, probably about six, seven inches, and eight buttons, and gave it to the parent for the parent to sew the buttons on, yeah. So it it it went really, really well. They're proper little chatter boxes today as well. So that went really well. Well, what was the what was the age approximately? Uh from eight upwards to about I think the eldest was 12. Yeah. That's not too bad, really. And they understand, they have a a better understanding than little ones of of how they feel, but little ones can do it as well. And really, I think if little ones did it, it would be more of a distraction than anything else. They could use it as a distraction. I've actually done it with a 17-year-old as well this evening for how would ever it was his feelings, he was feeling quite low today, so it was just to boost his his morale and his feelings, and he sort of liked it. And the reason why he liked it is very musical. So I said, you can create your own little mantra to say, as long as it's you know quite short, because you don't want to be tapping forever and ever. So he liked that. He liked the thought of that he could create his own mantra. So I'm hoping that he'll come back to me in the next few weeks and let me know how he is. Yeah, so that was good. But the kids enjoyed it today.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

It it is when I when I was teaching though, I was saying to them you use a flat finger, you don't, you know, point because you'll end up, you know, with marks all over your face. But they they got it so so quickly, so quickly. I think that's all I could manage with the kids today. Two hours were their parents in the room as well. No, the parents dropped them off, went into our town centre or wherever they went for coffees, and then they came back afterwards. So that was good.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Do you teach the parents before or after you see the kids? Yeah, obviously, you don't want to have telling the child doing this. The parents are worried what the hell is going on.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Yeah, the pair I chatted to the parents before they the children arrived, and then what I did afterwards is on their workbook there's a section for parents at the back so that parents can can help because we want that continuity, don't we? For everything that we do with children and and with with our clients, we need that continuity.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

So hopefully, parents will start using it to uh you also want to acknowledge that the child has used it, that they thought to do this instead of being furious or whatever they thought.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

It was quite difficult because there were chatter boxes, quite difficult to keep them all in line. And I kept looking at the clock thinking, you know, 20 minutes in, still only only on page two, and I was like raining it, you know, raining it in.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Yeah, but they were very how much of your practice is that kind of outreach stuff, and how much is is they've already got to you and you're do you mean do you mean how do you mean how much of it is how how you did a group thing, was it? Did they did did you advertise hi? Do you like to learn how to tap for children X through X? Or are these people called you said my my daughter keeps kicking off as she approaches school and you suggested her coming to this? What how did you monitor?

SPEAKER_00 9:53

No, I I actually advertised on social media, I put it on Facebook and Instagram. The people who attended, I'd say the majority of the people who attended were people that I already know. So the children I I already know their parents. One of the little girls that attended, her mum went through my academy and she's now a hypnotherapist. So when it popped up, she she obviously follows me. And when it popped up on my feed, she said, Can I can I bring my daughter? Excellent. Yeah, so that was nice, yeah. But I don't offer it as a standalone modality at all or you know, approach. I don't offer that, and I never have.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

And I don't know where you offer it to those kids who need something to do when they think they've given these uh lot.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Yeah. So when when we used to run the classes in summer, Easter, and and at Christmas for the first time.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

So that's when we when we first met. That was what you were doing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Yeah. So when I used to run those, where it was very easy to identify if a child was struggling. So I used to do some tapping, and my son taps as well. So we used to do some tapping with the children to help them to understand. So we'd done sort of mini, tiny, tiny little workshops with the kids in the classes, but that's the first time I've actually ever done a full workshop. I I quite I really enjoyed it and I thought it was good for them. So I think that's gonna be another thing that I will offer you know in the future. But I tapp, I use tapping. Do you use do you use tapping at all?

SPEAKER_01 11:36

I have used it, I don't generally, but I have used it.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

I don't use it as a therapist. I don't I haven't, I just haven't had any clouds of it. I don't think it would have been more useful than what we were doing.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. But I I do think like the 17-year-old, he was just feeling a little bit down. I thought, what can I do to lift him up? And I said, Have you ever heard of tapping or EFT? And he said, No, I haven't. So I explained what it was, you know, that it was an approach, you know, to unblock any blockages. And he liked it because what he did is he he instead of turning things down and and reducing things, he wanted to elevate his mood.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

And he and he he said it. I like it. He said it seems to work. That was good for him, but I would never offer it as a one-off thing, you know, for therapy. I'll still do the workshops again because I really enjoyed it. So that was good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

You said you had eight children. I have it.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Do you say I was leaving up to 10 people or up to up to 10, up to 10, no more than than 10. Because there's only me there, you see, so I've got to think of the you know the ratio one to one, but because they're at they're above a certain age, it was okay, it was okay just for me. And they're all well behaved. Yeah, it's always not always, but it's nice. Yeah, it is, it's very nice. And and I think with some of them, that it will give them an idea of how to manage themselves and how to familiarize themselves with with those emotions to understand that emotions come and go, sorry, feelings come and go. And we we don't have to stay angry, we don't have to stay.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Well, yeah, and of course, the the problem is when you are feeling like that, you sort of can't say out of the box. It's just like I always feel like this, even if it's the first time you stay.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, because one particular girl that was there, she actually said to me, We were talking about anger, we were talking about the primitive emotions, and she actually said, Well, I do throw things when I get angry. So I said, What sort of things do you throw? And she said, Oh, we don't throw them at anybody, I just usually throw them on the floor. She said that she threw her the kits that you can make bracelets out of colourful beadie bracelets, she threw it on the floor. All the bracelet, all the beads went everywhere. It opened. So she had a lot of beads to pick up. So I said, How did that make you be finding them for months? I did say I said, make sure you put your slippers on when you go into your bedroom, you know, in case you don't want to stand on them. But I said to her, How did it make you feel when you know you you threw the bottom the thing on the floor and it and it burst open? Did it make you feel even worse? So she said it did at first, and then I thought, well, I can't stay angry because I've got to pick all these up because mum said, Well, I think you better pick them up, you know. So she she was she was pretty good. But when I explained how to manage them, she did ask me a question. She said, So does that mean I'm not allowed to get angry? Sort of you are allowed to get angry. Yeah, you have to, you know. It's impossible to not get angry. I said, You do have, you know, you are allowed to feel these these feelings and emotions.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

I said, but the expression of them is different.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

It's not very good and big, is it? When you if you stay there, so it's it's making sure that you do something about it. So she she she loved it, absolutely loved it. She told me all about the the other side of the moon and everything as well.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Yeah, it is amazing. I was like, that's somebody else's box, don't worry about my box.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Yeah, so I I d I do enjoy it. I do I do enjoy watching it. I just think it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

And watching it I didn't realise how long it had been, how long it had been. I didn't. I mean I remember do you remember the first boonline thing? Well you were younger than I think. I was I was dressed in double digits, I think. So I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

So I was just 1967, did you say? I think so. Right. No, I was I was I was a toddler. Yeah, I was a toddler. Okay. But I have seen it lots. I could have babysat you. Yeah, I've seen it lots of times, and I just think it's fantastic. I really do.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

I think it's just it's something that I think what we do when we could just be peaceful and think about stuff.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

But I just I just think it's just I'm in awe of whatever what they do, I really am. There is um Sheila Granger, one one of our guests, which Sheila runs the Growth Club, as you know, and Sheila did an article that some of the hypnotherapists actually put out to different newspapers. I put mine out to my local newspaper, but never heard anything, and it was about how the astronauts are not scared of what's going on because they're they they're trained to manage their emotions because you can't get an astronaut sat there in this rocket waiting to go up and the countdowns come down now. Listen, forget about this. You know, I want I want to get it.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Most of them are pilots before they start.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

So yeah, and that was good. And and a couple of the that, like I said, a couple of the hypnotherapists sent them to their local newspapers, and the local newspapers printed them. It was lovely. Very nice.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Yeah, very nice magic. You attribute it to her or to you?

SPEAKER_00 17:14

No, no, it was just a press release that Sheila gave out to everybody in the growth club, and we could just use it. So I sent mine off to my local newspaper. I've only got one local newspaper, the rest are in the in the cities, which is Liverpool and Manchester. Who in a mining in an ex-mining town wants to hear about you know the astronaut, how you know, confident and you know how they can manage themselves effectively. Who wants to know that really here? But it was it was very, very good, and I'm really pleased for some of the hypnotherapists that got it out there. It was good.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Yeah. So somebody hearing this now, yes, you can call there's and ask her to help you on your weight journey. She wouldn't say no. No, I think.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Is it saying Mandaro or Zempic?

SPEAKER_01 18:17

It's uh a Zempic usually.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Yeah. So what they don't tell you is that they're when you come to stop, when you've decided enough is enough.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

The chances of you can't afford it anymore. Here it is really expensive.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah, because you get you a lot of people think that they can eat exactly what they want to eat because this injection is gonna burn it all off. And then when they stop, they also get a little bit scared, thinking, now that I've stopped, am I gonna start eating more? So, of course, you start thinking like that, then your brain's gonna pick up on that and think, well, yeah, let's eat more, let's do this. So, yeah, so that that was really quite interested in that. So we don't mind picking up exozempic or manjaro clients who are struggling, you know, once they've they're not taking that GLP one anymore. I think that would be interesting, you know, to help them to regain that control over food and that relationship. So I think that'd be interesting. So I'll have to have to watch this space and see what happened.

unknown 19:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

And you're you're happy with your weight journey at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Oh, I'm absolutely loving it. So I've I've dropped down a size and a half now. I I was almost in a like two sizes down. I bought, well, I've got clothes in that size, I've got clothes in every size on my wardrobe. Of course. And I'm not quite, I'm not quite in that. It was a little bit uncomfortable, but I know I know I'll get there. Yeah, and it's also you put it in the front of your wardrobe, so every week or two you try it on to Yeah, I've got some very nice dresses and very nice, like I I do love trousers, so I've got some very nice trousers that I I would like to get in, but I'm actually enjoying my journey. What I also do though, Denise, is you know how when people go on diets, they say to themselves or they get told by diet companies, diet businesses that you're not to have certain foods because it's bad for you and everything. Yes, I know they tell you that, but that's still exactly because the more you're prohibited not to have them, the more you'll want them. I'm not a McDonald's fan at all. Not at all. Every so often I like a chocolate milkshake from there because I can't eat chocolate, so the chocolate milkshake is nice. But that's very, very rare that I have a chocolate milkshake. But if somebody said to me you can never ever have a McDonald's again, then my brain you see every single one you went past. And my brain would be going McDonald's, McDonald's, McDonald's. So what I've done is I've actually got it here in front of me. So I have a little plastic, it's what two, I'd say two inch by two inch little square, and I have little sweets in there. They're like Harry Bows, and I'm allowed six sweets. I've already had two. So I'm not sure that's my sugar, because I don't I don't have any sugar in my coffee, I don't really eat anything sweet. So that's my sugar, and I've had those sat next to me all day, and I've still got four because they don't really bother me, whether I need them or not. I'm not but the time isn't there right now, so actually it is 20 to 6 in the evening. Okay. So the and the reason why it doesn't bother me is because I know that if I want them, I can have them. But what's really good for me is I've got the the power, I've got the control back. And if I don't want them, I don't have to have them. I'll leave them there till next week or something. It's unusual for me to be able to say that. And I'm I'm really proud of myself for what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Do you don't feel like it's nine talk at night? Oh, I've got four left. I'm going to eat them more.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

No, not too. No, because when I leave here, because I'm at work at the moment, when I leave here, these will stay here. And I'm not back in till back in tomorrow, but I'll I'll be too busy to I won't even think about them. But what I've done is I've I've split them into little boxes like that. And they're all in the bigger. Yeah, it's a very good idea. So I know I can still get sugar fixed.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Opening a new bag and wondering how much of it you can eat.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Yeah, yeah. And we've just had Easter as well, haven't we? And that didn't bother me at all.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

You did amuse me when you said it. It's Good Friday here in England and the rest of the world. We're not a Christian family, so we don't follow them. But you know, I mean there are members of my family who are Christians.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

But I forget, yeah. I forget because I've I've been seeing a lot of well, not a lot, quite a few children who of Jewish religion. And of course they don't celebrate Easter, do they? So yeah, so I've had to just sort of bite my lip, you know, and instead of saying bye, have a nice Easter. It's just bye. Because they don't celebrate it, do they? But you you just have to remember all the all of these things, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Yeah, it does get complicated when there's so many different people representing.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

But yeah, it's when people wish me a happy Christmas. I'm perfectly happy for them to wish me a happy Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

It's fine. Do you because your your new year is March, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 23:44

March 21st. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

So what would you say is that what would you celebrate instead of Christmas?

SPEAKER_01 23:53

It's a it's the it's set up a little different. We do have the the birthdays of the prophets at the Baab and Bahola are in they they move because they're set against the Muslim calendar instead of against the Baha'i calendar. So they one is important after the other during birthdays.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

And that is it's October, November time usually. So the those there is a Yamaha, which not a is not a ho, there are not holidays, but there are days outside of the calendar. Our calendar is we obviously we have the same number. The the earth goes around the sun the same amount or behind as anybody else. And so we have 19 months of 19 days, and that leaves you between four and five over every year.

unknown 24:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

So those extra days are times that we pay particular attention to giving gifts to donating to the poor, you know, whatever. And and children look forward to that because they give presents every day. And there's four or five days in it. And then we have our month of fasting, which is during the hours of daylight. Right. And then New Year is as the fast ends, there's no really how long have you how long have you been practicing there? Uh since I was 17. I was at school, uh I was at uh the tech college during my level with a Persian girl that asked her to tell me about her religion. I assume she was going to tell me that it's long because that's what I knew to have her. And uh she said we we believe in all the prophets like it. I've been looking for you, B-A-H-A-R posture I. I read about it and a little blurb in a book at school. And I hadn't read about it. Yeah. Anyway, so that was in it was a done deal. It made so much sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

And does your family follow the sign?

SPEAKER_01 25:56

No, no, no, they're Christian. Um I was raised at Methodist or went to went to a Methodist church. I think all my sisters were going to be identified as Methodists if they were asked what denomination they would be. But there's been some variety, yeah. And I I'd go to the the Salisbury Cathedral at Christmas. You know, if if I was home at Christmas, I would still go to the Evensong, because it's a it's a lovely experience.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

It is, yeah, it is. Now I'm a Christian, I don't really follow it at it that much at the moment. My mum was a Sunday school teacher at a Methodist school, as a Methodist church as well. My dad was a Catholic, so when they got married, which was in 1953, so it's a long time ago, when they got married, my mum didn't change her religion, she actually got married as a Methodist in a Catholic church.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

See, if you had been born the same year I was, they wouldn't have been able to do that. I remember so ridiculous. And this may be me misremembering because I was a child at that time. I did think I was in double digits, but only just. And my aunt, who was my mother's sister, but had been raised through the Church of England, or to get married at St. Paul's, which is quite a well-known church in Salisbury. She married a guy from Scotland who was Church of Scotland. Now, if you are not British, you may not realize that that's the same, essentially the same country, because it has the same monarch, and and what he had to convert to Cat Married there.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

That was a bit crazy. My mother-in-law, when my my father and mother-in-law got married, which was I think was probably the year before my parents got married, they my father-in-law wasn't Catholic, whereas my mother-in-law was, and my father-in-law had to change his religion to marry my mother-in-law. Yeah, my mum, yeah. My mum didn't, my mum didn't change her religion. She was still Methodist. Well, it it's it's uh it's a branch of um Yeah, I think there was a I don't know whether it was Vatican II.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

It was really a long way from hypnosis here, people. Sorry, bear with us. Well, it is too therapist. I think it may have been around Vatican II. A lot changed, yeah. Purgatory changed, a lot of things changed around then.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

So yeah, yeah. So, but my my children, my children are Catholics, all three of them are Catholics. They went to Catholic primary schools, they went to Catholic senior schools, and it's up to them whether they go to to mass or not. We did we didn't no, not at all. It's it's their choices. We we put them through their first holy communion, and then that it was up to them then.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

How old is that's about seven or eight?

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Yes, yes, I think it's seven or eight, yeah. Whereas my two grandsons, they've not been christened because my daughter said we'll just leave it up to them. They can choose, you know, what they want to do, and and they have. So I just think it's it's up to you, isn't it?

unknown 29:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Let's get back to hypnosis because we're making our audience uncomfortable. Um yeah. So this is this is the last episode that you and I will be speaking on, unless we're gonna do a 13, which we do occasionally do, just to say coming up is we haven't decided yet. We have to do that. But so we've got about another three weeks in town, and then we'll take a little break and start recording the next season. Yeah, do we have people lined up for this this coming season?

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Uh not at this moment in time, but we can invite Sheila back. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Let's do the second half.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

The second half, yeah. We can invite Sheila back.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Um yeah, there's yeah, I would like to enlarge the group of invitees. I've got there's a new hypnosis for not the new group, but I am new to the group, so that I'm meeting hypnosis who haven't been through the usual Jason on there, like is there a particular theme you would like for next season?

SPEAKER_00 30:30

No. I'll uh I'm if you remember, this is only my first season, you've done eight now. I know. I've only done one, so yeah, whatever, whatever you want, that's absolutely fine with me.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

I do I'd like to widen it a little bit so that we have not new techniques, different ways of thinking about the business end, I think. Yeah. Especially because we have quite a few of our listeners and viewers are other hypnotists. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

So I do think it'd be interesting to switch it around a little bit. There is there is a a guy who I'm very, very interested in in talking to, and he is doing he's working all over the world at the moment with helping other hypnotherapists with addictions. Not with our addictions, but training, you know. Working with him too. He's very, very interested.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

I would be very interested in talking to him.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Yeah, I think I'm sure he would come on if I asked him nicely. I might see him actually at Belgium. I don't know whether he's going to hypnotic 2026 or beginning of May. So I might ask if he's there, I might ask him. And also there's another gentleman who I think you may be interested in, and that is another guy from Ireland who runs the Irish Hypnosis Convention.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

I think that'd be very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Yeah. John's uh uh John Stanlon, his name is, and John Stanlon's already done quite a lot of work with the Gross Club as well, so I think that would be very, very interesting for us to have him on. Yeah. So I've mentioned his name, I've not even asked him. So, John, you've got no choice now, you have to come on.

unknown 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

I'll have asked him by the time. But you're right, yeah. I'll have asked him by the time this comes out. So uh hopefully, you know, he should say, Yeah, he's a he's a good guy anyway. Cheryl Ellman has kindly invited me to go on a Elman Cafe chat.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yes, I saw that. Yeah, I haven't been to the cafe for ages. It grew out of other another conference, yeah. But it's a great idea.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Yeah, so I'm looking forward to that. I might give her a nudge. Give her a nudge about it.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Definitely remind me when you're going to be speaking because I I definitely so much email. I think I'm just gonna get a thousand emails a day between my two accounts.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

So I really knew I have to go through and just say sorry, I don't want to hear from you again for a while.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

I've I've done that, I've I've unsubscribed to a lot of things as well because you just get you get things, don't you? But I'm really looking forward to going to Antwerp and talking there. So there's quite a few of us that I already know.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

So, how many others uh how many other speaking events do you have this year?

SPEAKER_00 33:24

At this moment in time, there's just that, and I'm waiting to hear about London and UK Hypnosis Convention. Yeah, but we haven't and that's in the fall.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

That's in the fall.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Yeah, so we haven't had any notification as to whether we've been successful or not yet. So by the time this is aired, I will know yes or no, whether I'm going down to London in November. But that that'll be the third time I presented there, so that that'd be nice. And then next year I'm gonna do my best to get to Ireland as well. So yeah, that'll be nice.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Yeah, I need to pay a lot of it depends on it when when is the Irish meeting? Because if you're gonna go to Ireland, you want to be in good weather.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Yeah, it's it's it's in two weeks, I think, or is it next week? It's uh it's very, very soon.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

It's very soon. No, but it's that's the flowers will be out, it'll be nice there.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

That's yeah, yes, it's in Dublin, isn't it? So that'd be nice. I've been to Dublin before, it's very nice. And then the one in Belgium, Hypnotic 2026, that is in Antwerp. So my fellow colleague who I'm gonna invite on next time, called Cara, I know Kara will say, yes. Cara is a neurodiverse specialist, so I think that would be really interesting to bring Cara. Yes. So Cara and I are flying out on the Thursday morning, getting to Antwerp, and the convention starts on the Saturday, so on the Friday we're spending the day in Antwerp, sightseeing, profitable tourists, and then we'll get into diamond trades there. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, I really am.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

I lived in Brussels briefly and then moved to Leuven, which is in the Dutch part, and Francisco was working for a company that was headquartered in the part of Belgium. So we actually lived there and I graduated from school, from Pen Rosa School, and probably had to go on a business trip with my husband to Belgium.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

I was looking forward to it. I've never I've never been to Belgium.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

It's a lovely country.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. So yeah, I'm flying on my own, meeting car at the airport, and then we'll take that long a trip.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

No flight. Yeah, we will say goodbye from this rambling, and we will be on the next one, you see, because we'll be talking to somebody else. And so it'll be a lot more organized that way.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

We will.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

All right, okay. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Say goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

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