Closed Traffic Podcast
Average aviation enthusiast covering all things aviation and flight simulation.Hosted by Johnny Green Michael Salmon and Charlie Roper
Closed Traffic Podcast
We Love The Pratt Whine, Not The Bus Seats
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We unpack a big week in flight sim: a strong DFW release that finally does the hub justice, FS Labs’ surprise A321neo update with stellar sounds but a divisive cabin, and PMDG’s 737-900 that balances immersion and performance with a refined interior. We close with upcoming events and how communication shapes what we fly.
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Kickoff, Tech Gremlins, Agenda
SPEAKER_02Live from the laboratory, welcome to the Close Traffic Podcast, an aviation and flight simulation show.
SPEAKER_01Welcome aboard.
SPEAKER_00What's going on, everyone? Welcome back to the Close Traffic Podcast, an aviation and flight simulation show. I'm Johnny in the flight deck with me today is Romain Man Mike. Mike, say hello to the people. I think I lost volume. Mike check. Mike Check. One, two. Well, no worries. Yep, he's in, but I don't know if I think he may have lost volume. But yeah, Mike is here in the flight deck with us. Um, so he's he's doing some troubleshooting there. But uh got a heck of a show. Want to touch on the latest release of DFW. Uh also want to um hit on the uh very interesting and unexpected release of the uh latest FF Slabs Neo Parton Whitney update. And uh last but not least, good old PMDG has blessed us with the 737-900. Um while Mike's while Mike is doing his thing there, uh doing his production thing, working on the uh working on the audios there, I want to go ahead and uh and and touch on DFW. Um I was a little surprised. I didn't imagine it was going to be as big of a release as it was, especially with um you know Imagine Sim already having already having an iteration out there. Now that being said, I'm going to tell you guys about Imagine Sim. I applaud the effort, but um not I wasn't just thoroughly impressed with the um with the lack of updates. I mean we had a couple here and there, but for the most part, um it was kind of it was kind of stale, guys. I'm not gonna lie. Uh uh for years I've been just completely going out of my going out of my gourd for a for a decent DFW. And you know, when you get one, you kind of, you know, especially you guys, y'all, y'all know what I mean, right? You know, you're looking for your home airport, you finally get it, and it's just not quite there. There were some glaring issues. I know the first time when I picked up the uh the any builds um version of DFW, it left a little to be desired. I know Taxiway, uh, what's that taxiway? I think it's Taxiway Zulu, I believe. Let me go to my charts here.
SPEAKER_03You mean uh Imagine Sim, Imagine Sim version?
DFW History And ImagineSim Frustrations
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the Imagine Sim version. Uh Taxiway Zulu. Uh you go up the hill and boop off the edge you went. For me at least. I don't know. Um, maybe, maybe not everyone had that same experience, but that was me. But eventually it got it worked out. But I don't know. I just had I had a lot of issues with that iteration of DFW, but beggars can't be choosers at the same time. Um, so with that being said, I don't know. Um it's so hard to get a developer to you know invest their time and efforts into producing airport. You know, you really don't want to go in there and completely trash them. So you don't say anything, but at the same time, you're like, man, it's it's you know, it's it's it's a little off. So they I mean, but they push a few updates, but it's just it wasn't the DFW I've always imagined, too, you know, just uh, you know, for the I guess long and short of it. And then here comes any builds or whatnot. And I do appreciate they didn't um you know hit us with the you know billion lost audio again.
SPEAKER_03I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Billion teasers. Um and Mike lost the audio again. Uh um, but no, I I do appreciate the fact they didn't hit us with a billion teasers. Boom, you know.
SPEAKER_03Gotta love new tech.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, gotta love new tech. Because we're also on a new platform, guys. Yay, we're also we're on a new platform here and um hosting or whatnot. So um we're working out the kinks there. Uh I think Mike also picked up DFW as well. He actually he's gonna get everything checked out there and uh and be back. But aside from that, no issues with the installation. Um I've noticed a lot of airports, so like prime example uh when there's a problem with actually I'm gonna try this real quick, guys. So um, let's see here. We're going to try this real quick. And uh at your scene, hold on, guys. There we go. I think he's back. Mic check. One, two. Yes. Yep, I got you. Can you hear me? Really? Hold on. Hold on, let me let me check you. Nope, I don't have you muted. Let me check your settings. And um we'll uh we'll get you we'll get you figured out there. Uh let's see, audio input, audio output. Uh let's see here. I'm actually looking at your let's see. Mic check, Mike. Can you hear anything? Alright, uh, let's see here. I'm uh we're getting uh Mike's audio here square away. Can you hear anything? Hold on one second, guys. We'll Oh, there we go. There we go. Um I was sorry, I'm actually in your uh in your audio settings, man. Okay, can you hear something? I can hear you finally. Yeah, can you hear it? Okay, cool, cool, cool. Yep, gotcha. Cool. Woo! Uh admin privileges for the win.
SPEAKER_03Had to dig all up in your um on all of the stuff, and as soon as you started talking for whatever reason, it kept cutting out.
SPEAKER_00Really? Yeah, no, no worries, man. No worries. Sorry, guys. Yep, glad we got old Mike back. But let's, I guess, rewind. Mike, say hello to people, man.
SPEAKER_03What's up, people? Happy Friday. Uh, it wouldn't be the end of a week if you didn't have a little bit of tech issues, right? Especially in uh my world. What's going on?
SPEAKER_00Heck no. No, not not a whole lot. Just to we were actually just touching on uh just touching on DFW a little bit, you know. Uh you know, the airport that you know I hold near and dear to my heart. Love that freaking love. Well, I don't know, man. I say I love it. Um Terminal C kind of stinks once you kind of once you go to the passenger pickup area where like you go to the parking spot shuttles and all the Roma car shuttles. Yep. I don't know if like the sewage run, like the sewage drain runs like in that area, but it was like a freaking odor, no matter what time of the year. Oh, it's terrible, bro. Yeah, freaking awful. It's worse in the summer. Freaking awful. You know what I'm talking about? Man, I'm there like twice a year, trust me.
SPEAKER_03I know.
First Impressions Of Inibuilds DFW
SPEAKER_00Yes, it's freaking. I was like, oh my god, like what is that? It's like, you know, you know, yeah. But uh, no, I'm I'm I was just absolutely elated to see any builds uh you know taking their swing at the airport. So for the most part, man, they nailed it. You know, they nailed all the latest construction. Um, but seems uh I guess um that was the point I I uh I left off of before uh we got you we got you together. I've noticed the airports they have the taxiway bridges, i.e. Little Rock, DFW. I imagine that's a pretty difficult thing to accomplish from a development standpoint. Because even in, for example, oh, who are those people that do it who uh they did a little rock? Can't remember, anywho. Um it's it's fine, it's just there's a slight bump right where the bridge begins. We're kind of, you know. Um yeah, and I noticed the same thing in DFW as well. There's a hashtag J Brick. Uh Charlie. Um, I noticed a uh I noticed a slight bump in DFW as well. Nothing crazy, you know. I was normally in airports like that. I kind of expect for the aircraft to just completely fall through the bridge. Like I've seen that, I forget what airport it was. Uh man, what was it? Oh, what was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? It was a version of Memphis, I think. I don't remember who. It may have been even in no, it wasn't an X-Lane. I I can't remember who did that iteration of Memphis where the bridge was just like non-existent. But I was in the I was in the A300 taxi and a whatever my business, and all of a sudden, dude, straight on Blanco's video, man. Oh, Blanco's page. So it was it was refreshing not to see, you know, not to see that transpire. But all in all, I mean, you know, if you guys are looking for a DFW, apparently a lot of y'all were because freaking the Friday night afterwards, it was nuts.
SPEAKER_03I think forget the press. It was the entire weekend. DFW was nuts. And now I'm looking at Vatim's map, it's crickets.
SPEAKER_00Crickets. Is Fort World Center even on?
SPEAKER_03They're not even on. Uh, ground in ground is on. That's it.
SPEAKER_00You see what I'm talking about, Mike? Every time, every time they pull these shenanigans. When imagine when uh imagine Imagine Sim dropped their version, everyone was there. Yeah, give me the day, same thing. Oh, yeah, same thing.
SPEAKER_03I even remember that. I thought this was uh like so. Let me back up.
SPEAKER_00It was huge, man, because no one no one has done a DFW in years. It's a big airport, you know. I mean, it's you know, if I'm a small developer, man, I I probably wouldn't touch it either, you know. Um, but we have a lot of large developers.
SPEAKER_03That's the yeah, I think that was the frustrating part, and and a lot of them kept doing the same sceneries over and over again, and no one would touch DFW. And I'm not listening to your point, I'm thankful that we had Imagine Sims for what a year, roughly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, about a year or something.
SPEAKER_03So I think that was that was pretty cool. But um, any bills as usual always takes things to the next level. It uh this airport is fantastic. I've been there, including this evening, four times since it launched.
SPEAKER_00Wow, what are your thoughts on it, man?
SPEAKER_03It's great, I think it's phenomenal. Again, I'd I probably frequent the airport maybe twice a year or so, primarily for work purposes, and every terminal um that I can recall, at least from memory, as well as uh the gate layout, uh the airport environment from the air uh is uh is spot on. The ground texture work is phenomenal. As always, anybills generally has a GSX gate profile, so that thing matches, no problem. Uh, all the correct aircraft parking spots, the um the acceptable wing width for all of the respectable planes in each of those areas. So, for example, those large D gates where you've got like the Qantas A380 and the Katari A350, like all of those were spot on. So it's it's a phenomenal release. And to your point, it's uh this time last week through Sunday evening, it was non-stop DFW action on VAT. I mean, it was top-down service, which was great. You hardly ever have in that area unless there's a specific event. Uh, and then we had all of our uh European lads coming over as well, doing uh a lot of the long haul flights that I think a lot of people don't realize. DFW has a fair amount of them. Um, you know, British Airways, Qantas, um Qatar. Who else did I see? Uh I watched Runway. Uh there was a bunch of them. There was a bunch of them. And I think it's it simulated accurately like the level of traffic volumes that DFW more or less gets. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I watched a guy, uh, Runway DFW. Shout out to his channel, man. Cause I'm gonna tell you it's like awesome ASMR. I still don't know what ASMR stands for, but I guess it's kind of like no, no, what I don't even know. Luftanza. Shut up, oh my gosh, you caught it. You got me, Charlie. But um, oh my gosh, Charlie. Don't you have a plane to catch, Charlie? Don't you have a plane to catch any?
SPEAKER_03Even on a dead plane.
SPEAKER_00Oh man, shout out to our good friend Charlie. But um, yeah, it's it's his channel's like the ultimate, like Zen. So he covers a lot of the um uh heel step in the plane spotting area and DFW and catches like a lot of the traffic. And yeah, you see, you see a lot of those. So just to kind of you know, see that translating to the sim to me and it was freaking amazing. And shout out to our European brothers and sisters out there who showed good old DFW some love, man. So it was it was it was pretty cool to see.
SPEAKER_03It was really cool. ASMR, by the way, is a feeling of well-being combined with a tingling sensation. I had to pause before I continued reading this out loud for appropriateness. Hold on.
SPEAKER_00What ASMR are you looking at, bro?
Bridges, Bumps, And Performance Tuning
SPEAKER_03I just googled ASMR meaning tingling sensation in the scalp and down the back of the neck. By some people in a response to specific gentle stimulus, often a particular sound. So, yes, it comes full circle. That's exactly what you're feeling, whether you believe it or not.
SPEAKER_00Oh, so like if you eat some like watching somebody eating a bag of chips or something, was that ASMR?
SPEAKER_03No, that's just hungry, man.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. No, you're like scrolling through like those people like they were like eating. Oh, you mean and they emphasizing like the crunches are how does that make feel?
SPEAKER_03Is the I guess is horrible. Like I'm hungry, man.
SPEAKER_00I don't want to watch you eat. Terrible. I feel terrible. That's what I feel. I feel terrible. All right.
SPEAKER_03So uh but um supposed to warm tingly feel the air. How you ban this guy?
SPEAKER_00Hashtag J Break. Oh my gosh, Matt Short. Oh man, but yeah, so DFW was absolutely um amazing, you know. If I had to rate it, I'd give it an eight and a half out of ten. I would. I'll give it a solid, give it a solid eight and a half.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'd almost give it a nine. I think you're right about the uh jet bridge, it's very difficult. Oh, I think uh Munich though, a loof I almost said Lufthansa, Aerosoff uh E D DM. Is it Aerosoff? Yeah, they're V2 on 2024. They've got now granted it's not as in involved as the DFW bridges, but they've got uh a couple of different bridges that get you across the other side of the runway of the airport. Um that I didn't have any issues with, even taxiing the 380 across it. They did that pretty well. But yeah, you're right, man. The um even the markings, the transition between the runway and the bridge itself uh is a bit misaligned, I noticed this evening in the uh inning builds version. But uh yeah, I mean, listen, man, at the end of the day, it's uh they're doing the best they can with the level within the level of limitations in the confines of the sim.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. I mean, I I I could only imagine. And this almost when I when I saw it, I'm like, okay, okay, please don't, you know, please don't dip, please don't dip, please don't dip. And uh well, you know, kind of bumped and went on across it. And I loved how they captured the undulations going down kilo because you kind of get that going down the real kilo, and like, you know, you're like a 738 or something, you're kind of doing it.
SPEAKER_03Oh especially if the plane is modeled appropriately. Like PMDG does a phenomenal job at a labs for what it's worth suspension work, suspension work taxiing down the man. I'm telling you, man, we've come a long way as it relates to flight, Simmons. There's so much um, you know, very detail-oriented levels of immersion that we haven't had previously because of the limitations of technology within the Sims, and every day something drops, it just surprises me how far they're pushing the envelope. It's been hot.
SPEAKER_00It's been hot here lately, ladies and gentlemen. And it's like there's so much out there going on, and so little time to send any of it. It was like me, me, here's me and Mike right before the show. Man, I'm on fire. We're like calling in range here, trying to trying to make the show happen, right?
SPEAKER_03Um, but you know, it's it's oh man, it's I will say the any build version when I first sorry, the uh imagine sim version. The first time I went on that jet bridge, the sim crashed because they had the stupid trees for whatever reason, they never removed the original DFW trees overtaking the jet bridge, and the one of the wings, I guess, had crash detection on, clipped it entire thing. I'm glad I was I landed and I wasn't taxiing out because I lost it. But that's the level of detail that like you know, any builds goes to to make sure it's truly a custom scenery. A lot of these other developers out there leave a lot of the default, you know, um, nuances and um, I guess AFCAD-related areas of the default sim within the airport environment and even the surrounding airport environment. And it's just like you can't put your finger on it, but you know it's clunky. Anybody's truly goes to a level of detail beyond I've you know, I've seen a lot of developers do to make sure that scene or that scenery feels truly custom.
SPEAKER_00Nope, you're you're you're spot on, man. Um, even performance-wise, any bills historically for me and my rig, uh they'll they'll run a little heavy. LAS a little heavy, Jeff K a little heavy, but it's not it's heavy for me enough to notice it, but not heavy enough to break the level the break immersion, if that makes sense. Um, so you know, it's one of those balancing acts, right? If you want super detailed, you know, you know it's gonna put a burden on your hardware. I mean, it's just a fact. There's no way around it. And until we get some people's wishes and our computers are all in the cloud, 10fold hat moment on. Um, you know, I don't think we'll ever be to a point to where, you know, just insane amounts of scenery is going to completely hit a computer unburdened. I mean, I'm just saying. Um, but aside from that, I mean, it was, it was, it's been a pleasant, uh, pleasant experience performance-wise. I do give, I do give them credit uh for the fact that they do give you the ability to adjust those settings. So it's like, man, I don't care anything about 3D people, you know. Um, I don't care anything about cars. You know, you can go into the Indie Bills manager, adjust that. You know, they do a good job at that.
SPEAKER_03They do a good job at that.
SPEAKER_00Yep, for sure, for sure. So, I mean, departing out of uh departing out of you know uh Terminal Echo with the um FS Lab Street 21 Neo, which we're gonna stick with here in like now. Um it was it was a pretty it was a pretty solid experience for sure, for sure. Um, but yeah, man, the Neo might came out of nowhere. And it's kind of funny. I'm gonna go ahead and okay, guys, Tim Foyle hat Johnny on here for a minute. Um so we get a um, you know, here I am I I tend to follow the industry here on a daily basis. And this this was just my experience of you know, hearing about it. You know, I it you know, those of you guys out there listening, you know, your experiences may vary, but um, you know, I was checking out our uh our good friend MS uh MSFSaddons.com.
SPEAKER_01Um
SPEAKER_00Um on Facebook, and he posted an article regarding, huh? We hadn't heard anything from FS Labs, you know, regarding what's the status of the 321 Neo that apparently people were promised, you know, a Pratt Whitney version and haven't heard any anything on it. And um it was what was it, like a day later?
SPEAKER_03It wasn't even 24 hours, bro.
Traffic Rush On VATSIM And Realism
SPEAKER_00It wasn't even 24 hours, yeah. Boom. You know, I'm like, I was shocked. Shocked, man.
SPEAKER_03Because you guys sent it in the chat. And I'm like, this can't be real. We just saw an article that said we haven't heard from these guys in forever.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, like completely taken aback, like completely blown away, um, agast, um, whatever other, you know, descriptor you want to use to of uh for meaning surprise, like we were that. Um, because I'm like, okay, yeah, that's true. Like, we were supposed to get a pride whitney version. Now, you know, you guys know me. I'm tend to be more of a bowie McDonnell Douglas person. So, you know, I could have, you know, went about my life without one, just saying. That being said, you know, I know that being said, you know, I know there are there are a lot of us out there who were looking for that Pratt and Whitney Berry and was also looking for some um some updates to the preexisting Leap version. Yeah, I mean, there it left a lot, it left a lot to be desired. And, you know, listen, there's a lot going on with there playing on the back end. I do not expect anyone at all to get that thing knocked out day one. Um, but I think the problem that a lot of people had as it relates to the overall development process was the lack of communication. Um, you know, things happen, um project milestones slide forward or backward, depending on how things move. We totally get that. But I think the thing that people really took to heart or you know, felt personally about was the lack of transparency in the in lieu of other past historical events that FS Labs has been a part of. So it's here. It's a pretty uh pretty expansive changelog. I'm not even gonna bother going through it. Just just know that you're gonna get a pretty fleshed out leap of and your Pratt Whitney very your Pratt Whitney variant, if you guys are are looking for it. I'm gonna reserve my take on it. Um let Mike have the floor here because I know that says baby. And uh Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_03Like you said, I was pleasantly surprised when that came out. You guys sent the article because again, just the day before, um, folks were saying that they haven't heard it. And quite frankly, man, like I hadn't even paid attention to it in a while. I put it down not too uh quite some time ago, just because of the um the impacts on my sim that it had. It's a pretty heavy add-on, and FS Labs products typically are, but um I felt that it was a much better experience flying the Phoenix Airbus, even though Phoenix doesn't have a uh a Neo yet. So I hadn't flown Labs in quite some time. And the article from the previous day, I was like, oh yeah, I forgot about that plane. I put it down forever ago. Then this article dropped, and I was like, I gotta go pick it back up. Um, because and that's what labs does to you, right? And for those of you that's been following the show for quite some time, we've said this, you know, we've been FS Labs users for the better part of a decade now, you know, from the FSX and P3D days, and it's just who they are. You don't always align to or agree with, you know, the radio silence or their approach to how they deliver, develop, and subsequently release products. Um, you feel like there's a level of transparency that's lacking, but that's who they are. And when the product is finally there, you're kind of like, oh man, you kind of forget about everything else up to that point, and um you send it, man. It's uh it's a phenomenal product. So that leads me to the product. It's great. I think their sounds are spot on. FS Labs uh was great with their sound profiles for their products back in the FSX and P3D days. When they released the 321 and then the leap version of the Neo, they lacked in their immersion, especially in the sound department to me, um, which was you know quite disappointing because of how long they took to get an aircraft out in that sim. But I think they've made up for it in subsequent leap releases as well as now this Pratt and Whitney release, it is spot on to the real thing. Uh, that spool up wine that you get from those Pratt and Whitney engines when you you move that throttle forward, even just five percent uh incremental increase on the throttle. You get a howl. That howl. It's uh they nail that. They nailed it. The flight dynamics spot on as well, feels very nice uh with the flight stick, uh, especially if you're using the MOSA plug-in MOSA. Um it uh it's spot on. I enjoy the aircraft, the the level of immersion for the operations behind the scenes, as we've all as we've always said with labs, you know, the gate assignments, the A cars, the it's just it's a fully complete product in as it relates to those things that I just mentioned. Now the bad. Um what is up with them producing these stale, off-the-line, not finished cabins, bro? Like no one is flying, especially not the US carriers. I don't know what they do over over over yonder in Europe, but actually I don't know.
SPEAKER_00No, over yonder, bro.
FS Labs A321neo Surprise Drop
SPEAKER_03The US carriers in American, Delta, um, United to a degree, jet blue, with the exception of Frontier and Spirit, all have first cast, business class, said first cast, first class, business class layouts in those 321 and 321 Neo cabins. And they continue to just put this high density cabin out there with really no again, we'll go back to you know, level of transparency and communication, no thoughts about when they plan to update that or make that available for um livery creators to to sort of manipulate that, especially folks like Javiation. I think it's NASA's name, that does a phenomenal job taking these these aircrafts and creating liveries for them, both texturally on the outside as well as in the cabin to really make it feel like the carrier that you're flying. And you can't do that with the labs 321 now because they got this high-density default cabin that just ruins the overall immersion and uh all the good things that I just mentioned over the last uh two minutes here. So that's my only gripe. Like they've got to figure that out, they've got to get to a level of immersion for the interior cabin. I know you're gonna have the naysayers out there that says you fly the plane from the front, who cares about a cabin? It is 2026. We have all of these products out there that spend time and money and resources catering to a true cabin environment because people want it. So that excuse, I don't want to hear anymore. They've got to figure it out, um, I think in in that regard, because they used to be one of the leaders in that space, and um, it feels like they've taken a step back.
SPEAKER_00Wow, yeah. No, I mean you're you're spot on, Mike. I feel the exact same way. See, here's the thing. Um, I you know, dealing with FS Labs for for years, uh, even back when uh P3D and FXX and all that, uh, they've always had a knack for nailing just the systems, like the overall user experience in terms of operating an airliner, like at that at the operational level. That's that part's amazing. And that was my experience with the um not knowing anything about 321 Neo, Prior Whitney's all that fun stuff. I was, I mean, I really my expectations were pretty pretty tempered in that regard. I knew they were going to deliver, uh, you know, when we're talking, you know, if we're talking um, you know, in terms of the fidelity of you know, operating the airplane, the systems, all of that. I mean, I knew that was gonna be dialed in. And so, yeah, I I guess I wasn't really surprised. One of the things though, I I will say, and and they continuously blow me away in that regard, is just those small nuances in engine operation that a lot of developers miss. Uh, and you know, I know a lot of you guys have already downloaded it and um are you know currently using it uh and all that, but just the the tech log to me is just pivotal. Like the first thing you do when you're when you're accepting an airplane, you go through the paperwork. Point blank, that's just what you're doing. Because on the line, you're hardly ever gonna get a perfectly working airplane. I'm not sure if a lot of you guys know that, but let me let me be clear. Very seldom, an airplane's legal, but very seldom is everything completely functional. Yeah, putting it out there. So it's up to the pilot in command and uh, you know, the crew to, you know, go through the acceptance process, you know, you know, check to make sure you know the airworthiness and uh uh the uh the certificates and all that are there. Um and then you know, you go through, you know, you go through what FS Labs call calls the tech log or the maintenance log, and you know, you check out, see what's broke. And um I I don't think I've had the airplane mic, and with uh what's as far as FS Labs, and something's not been broke, which is everything, you know, back back in my day, you know. I mean, even well, I mean, even back then the sobs were clapped out. So, you know, it was just like, all right, all right, pack two's out, autocars' out, all right, cool, you know, let's send it. You know what I'm saying? Um, so it was always something broke. And same thing here, you know. Charlie. Charlie, don't you got a leer to catch or something, bro? I'm just saying, man. Like, don't you Leer? Leer. But um, um, it's just amazing to like, okay, oh wow, you know, the uh the AP, my APU was out on this last trip, Mike. Go figure. I was trying to hurry up and send something real quick. And my APU normally it's like something minute, it's like a placard or something missing, or um the bolt cargo door switch, limit switch was out. So it always read open. There was a procedure for that. And um, you know, but this last trip, my uh my APU was out, which okay, cool. We're gonna, you know, fire up one or whatever, do a cross bleed, cross bleed start, kick two off, and off, you know, off we go. And you know, push uh fired got one, fired up with the uh with the air car. We pushed, uh, open up the isolation valve. I I'm not going by any sort of flow, Mike. I'm just like, okay, in my mind, we need air on that side, so let me just open up the isolation valve.
SPEAKER_03They all do it step, they all do it differently, but you know, they all do it differently, but the functionality is the same.
Sound, Systems, And The Pratt Howl
SPEAKER_00So, you know, close close bleed on number two. And um what was what was amazing is when you when you put the uh initial and selector switch to start, you you flip the on-off switch for number two. Naturally, when you're taking bleed air, and we can just equate this to your car, you know, to your car, when you're using the AC in your car, the you know, there's more resistance on the pulley, so it kind of bogs down your bogs down the engine. You have your RPM kind of comes down a little bit, right? The same thing did, that the same thing happened on number one, but the but the N1 kind of went up a little bit. Huh. Like it was, it was, I don't know if that's like something that the engine control unit or whatever whatever engine computer like Airbus calls it. Where are you, Rob? But uh, but it was it was really cool to see like the act of me doing that affected cause that yeah, the number one engine, you know, because typically, like for example, or with the uh with the MD80, if you're doing a cross bleed star, you have to manually increase in one on your number one engine to produce bleed air to produce bleed air to produce sufficient pneumatic pressure to spin up your number two to kick out the uh your number two compressor to kick off uh your number two engine. Well, on that dude there, it just 30 in one. You know, I had like I don't know, I forgot where her PSI was, but PSI came up, you know, it did this little cooling magic thing, whatever Pratt Whitney Neos do, and the thing freaking thing kicked off too. Just oh my gosh, like seriously, labs, seriously, they don't miss, they tick you the freak off. I'm not gonna lie, you don't hear anything from these guys, Jack Rabbit, and then all of a sudden, boom, we get an update and all this awesomeness, and we're off to the races. Now, that being said, you know, the flight dynamics, of course, you know, I was never an Airbus pilot, but it feels very refined, and which I'm assuming is what a fly by wire-driven aircraft feels.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it feels much more fly-by-wire. Prior to that, it was it felt like it was on rails.
SPEAKER_00Right, right.
SPEAKER_03You know, it's not fluid at all.
SPEAKER_00Right. You know, you make your input let go, and it kind of like sits there. I'm assuming that's what they, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03Um, and then very fine inputs at that. It's like it's you should be able to fly that thing with two fingers. Yeah, I mean, I remember how it is like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, I remember, you know, watching a lot of the guys, man. That's kind of what it's kind of like, you know, what you know, very small inputs. It's not like an MD80, you know, you're like keep driving a car, right? You know, not just a car, but freaking 18 wheeler, freaking. You know, I mean, it's it's physical, bro. It gotta get physical, man, with those mad dogs, grill. But um, phenomenal. I mean, the aircraft's phenomenal uh from a um uh from a tech and operational standpoint. Visually, for all my visual guys out there, uh labs, y'all gotta do better. Y'all gotta do better. Y'all have to do something with those air with those Amtrak level uh uh Amtrak level seats, man. Y'all have to. There's no reason an A321 Neo should look like a Greyhound book. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. So I loaded up day one. I picked it up yesterday, fired it up. I was in, where did I go? Denver.
SPEAKER_03Denver or something like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was Denver. Man, we ain't got I wish we had Salt Lake, or uh, we're still waiting for my man. No, I was still waiting for my man Pax him to bring it over from 2020 to 24.
SPEAKER_03Man, I put that thing in there, it works. I've been running it for months, bro.
SPEAKER_00Full C and oh my lord, oh my. But um, yeah, I think it was in uh we're not, yeah. I don't think I left out, I think I left Denver. And um I've I haven't had the pleasure of being in a frontier cabin, so I uh I would know um as far as like how they look, but I look, you know, just looking at you know the initial they had those high density seats, I'm assuming that's probably what Frontier is.
SPEAKER_03That is Frontier. I again I in that regard that's that's accurate.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I'm like, okay, cool. Did my thing, whatever. And I told I remember texting Mike. I'm like, because I meant to look at the the blog or release wherever they had. I want to say they had something in real as it relates to the cabin, like them doing something for the cabin. I don't sure if it was textures or modeling.
SPEAKER_03The lighting, the lighting of the cabin, that is phenomenal. Especially, I don't know if you went back there during the night flight. They even mimicked that some of the seats had their own personal overhead lights on, so that was very nice. The overhead track as well, especially for I don't know if all of them have it, but the JetBlue livery did. It had the exact sort of uh ceiling, LED lighting that those uh A321s that unjet blue has. So there are aspects of it that are really nice, but to your point, I'll you finish the seating, the seat, like it feels like they just took some JPEG images and threw it in there.
The Cabin Controversy And Immersion
SPEAKER_00Bro, man, it's past JPEG, Mike. It's absolutely atrocious. Like Charlie was saying, those bluebird bus seats, man. Like, that's what I thought about. Nobody's getting on Delta looking at seats like like I loaded up Delta because it was late last night, so I didn't have time. I'm like, you know what? Tomorrow I'll fire up Delta because I was gonna send Delta, I was gonna do like Atlanta somewhere, and um fired it up, and I went back and kind of looked at the cabin. I'm not really much of a cabin guy, let's just be clear on that first. I'm not really much of a cabin guy, yeah. Um, but at the same time, you know, when you got PMDG, you know, and used to, we used to rag on PMDG all the freaking time either, yeah. Because they're because their cabin looked like heart garbage once upon a time. Yeah, and so you know, I'm like, okay, surely, you know, it should be, you know, maybe the delta is gonna look a little better, you know. And I get in there and it was the Zach same. And I freaking went bonkers. And again, I'm not even that cabin dude. But I was like, man, there's no, there's no freaking way y'all got these freaking, you know, just they're not even spirit, they're below spirit level. I'm talking like Greyhound, Amtrak. Um, um those seats are raggedy, dude. Like they like episode numbers, and not just gonna be honest with you. They're freaking terrible. Labs, y'all got to do better. Gotta do better. Man, y'all are there. Y'all, y'all have nailed airline operations as we see it today. I'm talking about over Phoenix, I'm talking about over PMDG. That's just what I mean. I'm just being honest with you. This is coming from like real-world experience. You can't, you can't operate in an airliner without involving the paperwork. They go hand in hand. You have to have that. If y'all are looking for immersion, because everybody's here, everybody talks about immersion until it gets immersive. And so, you know, when you you know, when you implement these very various facets of the experience, you set a level of expectations. And so, you know, I'm doing all this, I'm like, man, uh, you know, I went to the email, all this is great. You know, I'm bored in, got to fight plane, load up, uh, loaded up. Let me just, you know, check out the cabin. And you check out the cabin, and you know, the freaking cabin looks like uh a parking parking spot bus shuttle seat. You're like, dude, come on, come on. All right, dude, I'm done. Like that was that that I just go off in the chat about this.
SPEAKER_03I knew it bothered you because, like you said, you're not a big cabin guy. I don't care.
SPEAKER_00I like, yeah, I mean I can care less.
SPEAKER_03That's all I knew. It was bad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean it was it was terrible, you know, and which will which which we'll touch on the 900 minute uh in a minute, but you load up the 900 and it's like, yeah, dang, this looks like a 900 interior.
SPEAKER_03Exactly like it. And for that, because I think you loaded up well, United. Uh Delta. Oh, it was Delta, okay. Yeah, I mean, PMDG, gosh, man, I know we segue in there, but they they're I know the whole cup of coffee joke and all of this and that, but they really refined some of those, um, a lot actually of those cabin elements for the 2024 version. It's it's good, it's it's very immersive now. I'll give them that. There's still some stuff I'd like to see from them, but I mean, you know, walking through, messing with the overhead bands, um, you know, the texture quality of the seats, the the lighting. It's just um they did a really good job. And labs you guys used to lead in that department, you gotta figure it out. Gotta you first of all, you were late to the game to begin with. You were what three years almost? Late, bro.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna call it tardy.
SPEAKER_03Phoenix came Phoenix came out of nowhere as bright. Brand new developers and blew the doors off the sim as it relates to the Airbus world. And you guys were significantly even behind that. So you dropped. Everybody kind of forgave you, but most people still to this day are like, no, not picking up that. Phoenix rules the Airbus department, at least the narrowbody Airbus department right now. And we'll probably continue to do so for this sim. And you put out a product like this and you're you're missing some of those immersion elements. You're just going to continue to fall behind. They got to figure it out.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Got to, man. You know, and that and that's the problem. Uh, you know, by those shortcomings that they have, a lot of people won't have the opportunity to experience how their system modeling is because they're just they're they're they're not even inclined to. I'm like, you know, the guys that don't freaking communicate, you know, when they don't communicate, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't even get into their forums unless you unless you purchase the darn thing. Yeah, that already ticks people off, you know. And at some point, you gotta meet the consumer halfway. I get it, we're not the most pleasant people to deal with, you know. The average simmer is not, we're very demanding. Let's say somebody don't. Even though we don't, even though we don't know what the heck we're talking about, we're very demanding. I mean, that's the average consumer, you know. Um, but at the same time, you have to be a little more transparent. That's just then that's just a fact. Um, now you now and and there's limits, right? Sometimes you'd be a little more, you could be a little too transparent and missing deadlines, things. So I mean we're totally totally get that. But just not to say nothing. Now, we say they didn't say anything, they could have very well posted on their forums.
SPEAKER_03They're on forums, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But we would have never known.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, we're so people, I mean, for you gotta remember, we've got so many, not so many, but there are a fair amount of um flight sim journalists now and outlets now that cover these products. A lot of them actually purchase the products as well, so they have access to that. That's why folks like the FSLE are able to quickly, you know, uh produce something whenever an article drops, or you know, something dropped on someone's forum because they're all users of the product as well. So if they had said something worthwhile in their own forums, trust me, we would have seen it.
SPEAKER_00That's true.
SPEAKER_03It is more than likely, again, no one laps for almost 10 years, but they haven't said a word. And you bring up a really good point, and we gotta get off laughs because I know we're we're up against it, but you bring up a really good point. The way they operated 10 years ago cannot be the way they continue to operate because there are new thousands, hundreds of thousands, probably when you look at the overall user base for Microsoft Flight Sim of new flight simmers since the launch of Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 and now 2024, and now we've got consoles. They don't know you, they don't know an FS Labs, right? So when you have folks like Phoenix and Anybuild and all of those developers out there marketing their products, getting the consumer hype about the products, and you continue to be that stick in the mud, not being, you know, trying to be nice here. You continue to be that stick in the mud around sort of your approach to how you release and talk about your products, you're gonna fall behind. You're already behind today, and you're gonna continue to fall behind if that continues to be your approach.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Because you mean you can see how people move in the forums now when that thing dropped. I remember once upon a time when labs dropped, bro, it was like oh the world shut down. Man, hey, people are taking off of work, bro. Hey, calling me a man, I'm sick, you know, the little airpod buds in their nose, like taking the hospital pictures and all that, bro. Like folks were like, like folks were folks were showing up for these releases. Now, man, it was just like, okay, you know, you had a couple of people, you had a couple people that were excited, right? But for the most part, people like, uh, whatever. You know, I got Phoenix, I'm good. You know, I'll do you one better. I'll wait for I'll wait for their Neo. I'll wait for their Neo. I mean, that's where a lot of folks were staying.
SPEAKER_03They're gonna exactly. I'll do you one better. I'm on the Bathum Network right now. It is Friday night, typical Friday night ops, and there are only two, four, six, eight, ten A321 Neos flying. Wow. For a product that was released up against the weekend.
SPEAKER_00Wow. That's where we are.
SPEAKER_03And quite frankly, it's not a hundred percent certain that these are all FS labs, they could be TOLIS A321 Neos. Yeah, don't Sobo has like a default Neo or something. Exactly. So some of these can even be like, and to your earlier point, back when they dropped the product, man, you went on Vatson, that's all you saw. All you saw. You got sick of seeing the money you saw.
SPEAKER_00There's no way.
SPEAKER_03Yep. So I mean, I'm looking, they're more A3 fly by wire A380s flying right now, a freeware product, yeah. Than that labs product right now on the network. So, like, it that's what I mean. Like, you you listen, man, it comes from a place of love. We love your product. We'll continue to to to buy it and and whatnot, but uh gotta step it up.
Communication, Market Expectations, Phoenix
SPEAKER_00Gotta step it up. Gotta step it up. Speaking of step it up, good old uh good old PMDG, man. They're a little late to the party um with the 900, I think. I think they said they were trying to shoot for January and Project Slide that slid to February, and they just recently recently released it. I haven't even had the opportunity yet to send it. Um, but man, it looks, it looks. Oh my gosh. Uh because I people were saying, you know, a lot of folks were saying it was gonna be a direct port, but it from what I saw, just uh five or ten minutes I played with it on the uh on the ramp. Yeah, uh, man, it's it's legit. Like the the the interior, it's it's legit. I'm I've really been impressed with PMDG here so far. The whole cup of coffee thing, y'all listen, guys. PMDG, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. And I've said this before, and I'll say it again. We're gonna whine, we're gonna complain about it, and we're gonna be right there in line. The cop, when they drop whatever they're gonna drop, probably except the 600 because no one cares about the 600. I'm just saying. Like, I mean, it's just the reality. I mean, that's they're the only one who has done like the complete 737 line. You know, I get it. Cup of coffee, yeah, I know. I mean, what are you gonna do? Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, right? Um, you know, it was it's you know, so far it was I know I've been pretty impressed with that. I can't really speak on the flight modeling or anything like that because I hadn't haven't had time to um send it down. I've heard some folks have said they were having issues with the um oscillations. I'm not sure if they're if it was laterally or um um park pitch wise. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, but I don't know. I don't think I remember I don't think I've had I had that issue like pre-update with the 800, but after after that, that I hadn't had that issue since. So I'm not sure. Hopefully this weekend I can find the time to actually check it out and um circle back on the um on the YouTubes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man, it's uh I'm looking at the photos here from the official PMDG website and then what you sent last night. It like I said, it's it's freaking phenomenal. This cabin looks amazing. Oh yeah, it's really good now and you know freaking amazing. Um Leo was on our show at the end of December uh with XP. We were talking about PMDG for a little bit here, and he had mentioned it looks like there's some aspect of the product that feels like texture-wise, there's a lot of portal, even back from like the FSX days. And I think that's the only knock that you could probably you know give them an asterisk for. But like again, when you consider trying to balance performance with immersion and quality, they nail it because I'm telling you, some of these developers need to take a page out of their book that and I'm not gonna get on my soapbox here, but that A380, you guys know I've been flying um a lot in the last uh month and a half or so, and it is so I mean, and I don't have a slouch of a sim. You know, I just got new hardware and whatnot, and it still taxes my sim like no other. Now I get it very large aircraft. There's a fair amount of of calculations and whatnot happening in the back end, but it's been out what two years now almost? Yeah, about two years. But anyway, I digress. But yeah, we can't knock you know PMDG for really trying to strike that balance between you know immersion quality and performance because they always nail it. Always.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, yeah. I, you know, I mean it's it's it's it's one of those aircraft where you know if I fire up an aircraft and it's gonna work. Yeah, it's just it's just gonna work, you know. Um I just yeah, I just have to give them that. And I I totally get it. Yes, they're man, it's damn. Yeah, yeah. I get it. You know, there's a lot of folks out there that, you know, um, yeah, I'm sure they're probably there very well could be, you know, some things that were kind of brought over forever from you know, forever ago. Um, but man, they're just they're just the only one in the game right now. You know, maybe, you know, down the road we'll see, you know, we'll see a competitor. You know, maybe um we'll see iFly. IFly, yeah, maybe we'll see iFly. I know they're they're they're they're they're tussling with that max, man. Hopefully we'll we'll get an update for it. Um, you know, and because I know their their earlier um their the original 737 their their 737 NG iteration for uh P3D, man, I think it was freaking solid. And they had all of the variants, all of the engine types. Really? And um, oh man, it was yeah, it was it was it was solid. It was it was solid. So that's where a lot of folks were really looking for. Um, you know, maybe once we see that, you know, we'll see a little more, you know, like we'll we'll see a little more movement from PMDG as it relates to that, but by then they may be on like a 737 100 or a you know the Havlin Comet or you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_03But no, they're supposed to also be making the Macs as well, right? That's what they said. Yeah, I think so.
SPEAKER_00PMDG's like man, 10 D 10 years from now, bro. We'll we might see a Mac.
SPEAKER_03We might see the other ones that just like move at their own pace, bro. Yeah, but they're a little bit more transparent than FS Lab.
SPEAKER_00So that is true, you know, whether you whether you like his dissertations or not, they're it's it's out there. Yep. Oh man, but yeah, man, um solid airplane. You know, if you guys looking for a stretch to 737-800, it's it's out there for you. Um but man, aside from that, that was really two. Is that when we're gonna see the max? That's what Charlie's saying. That's what he's saying, yeah. Man, one day, bro, one day, man. But um, but yeah, you know, definitely been a lot of a lot of uh aircraft out there dropping guys, you know, definitely took the opportunity to check them all out. Um, you know, I hadn't really ran into anything here in the past week or so that wouldn't touch with the 10-foot pole, you know, everything that you know we've solid. We've yeah, we've messed with solid. Little nuances here and that there, but overall, man, overall solid for sure. For sure. Oh snap.
SPEAKER_03FS team added FS Dream team added the uh mototox tug in their latest update.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I posted that in the chat. I think you're in the trenches. Yeah, wow.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we can't catch it.
SPEAKER_00But who's really who's who's been sending that? Like, who sent like I don't know? Um, yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03You know that's what you know when something is.
PMDG 737-900 Release And Cabin Work
SPEAKER_00Man, our our our European friends, bro, they get all the new reports, man. We don't see nothing. That clapped out, that clapped out, Doug, man. They send that over here, man. We we and we get all the clapped out stuff.
SPEAKER_03Listen, if FS Dream Team or FS Labs model something, bro, you know it started or originated Europe, bro. That's why we always get all the European liveries first from FS Labs. All of the updates from FS Dream Team caters to like that. That's just it is what it is. But yeah, man, because I'm looking at the even this picture FSLE has this is uh who's that pink carrier over there? Airwiz or Swiss Air or Wiz Air or something like that?
SPEAKER_00Gorgeous liveries. Is that whiz? I think whiz air or whatever, yeah. Oh yeah, gorgeous livery. Man, it's freaking gorgeous liveries. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03You're the ones using it, but yeah, man, you know they always start over there.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, oh yeah, maybe one day, man. But I don't know, man. I don't seen some of my some of my rampers over here, bro. I don't want them remote controlling nothing, bro. Like y'all, nothing, bro. Man, may think they're on the PS5 playing Madden or something, man. You just never know, bro.
SPEAKER_03Nothing but delays, bro. What happened?
SPEAKER_00Oh man, man. Somebody, man, somebody uh somebody sent that tub clean into the catering truck, bro. No what happened. Uh bro, bro, was never to be seen again, man.
SPEAKER_03I know we uh this is not one of our topics, but how you like that A340, you and Charlie? Because I just I won the FS Elite site, and then on the corner was uh the NMB. I'm gonna say this, man.
SPEAKER_00I've been trying to I've been trying to get you. Just I know I know the 340 is not your thing. Let me tell you this, fam. Let me tell you this. It's one of the even like the VIP version is probably one of the best interiors I have ever seen. This looks amazing. The best. Hold on, let me let me repeat this for people in the back. It is one of the best VIP interiors I have ever seen.
SPEAKER_03Bro, this thing had a bed, a shower, and a the shower works, Mike. The shower works, yes, bro.
SPEAKER_00Man, been seeing none of my screenshots.
SPEAKER_03We I might get this, bro. I might be this we might as well just call this the any builds episode. Because I'm telling you, bro, like they just I'm looking at these pictures, Mike. The sounds, even the engine, even the engines, bro.
SPEAKER_00Like when you're spooling up the little CFMs there, they're kind of they're doing this. It's wild with the vibration. Oh my gosh, man.
SPEAKER_03He knows that. I know that.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03Mike, just Mike, just Mike. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna pick it up. I can't wait for him to do this 380, bro.
SPEAKER_00Just just just pick it up. Um, send you, you know, send run you some VIP ops. They even got a tell number where you can put your own little tell number on there with the dynamic dynamic registration, huh? Um, man, run you some VIP, bro. It's this is clean, bro. And I love how it's not GSX dependent because you know how with GSX, not that you know, not taking anything away from GSX, but I love how you have the ability to be in the middle of nowhere's nowhere's Villa Airport with no legit parking spot and still be able to produce ground assets, yes.
SPEAKER_03So similar to PMDGs, or are they pretty similar?
SPEAKER_00I don't think they have the S the SUVs like PMDG, but you can get to like the stairs and stuff like that. You might be able to get the SUVs, I forget. It's been a minute, but yeah, man, it's it's solid. It's nice, bro. It's solid. I mean, I I don't think I ran into anything in that interior that wasn't interactive.
SPEAKER_03Gotcha. Yeah, Charlie Sain over here.
SPEAKER_00Charlie with the laughter both.
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah, man. So I didn't I had to I had to ask real quick because that thing that looks clean.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely, definitely check it out, bro. And you guys as well out there, man. If you guys haven't checked out their 340, I'm not even again, not even an Airbus guy, but that every now and then I think that thing's definitely pretty pretty cool to check out. Um flight modeling, solid, um, all the things. If you have the 350, yeah, it's it's it's it's there, it's there in the 340 from a feature, feature standpoint. So really cool, man. Really cool. But yeah, bro, um, man, heck of a show. Um, that's really what I wanted to touch on today. I know, guys, we kind of get in this lull starting off the first part of the year, but don't forget FX Expo is right around the corner. Uh, can't wait for, and actually, I know our friends over in Europe, they guys are uh they're about to get FS Week in here in what maybe like two months, I think. Um not far away. I don't think it is.
SPEAKER_03It's literally like and they have a little party going on after two weeks. Yeah, they even have hey man, where's our party actually, bro?
SPEAKER_00What is going on? Oh my goodness. But you know what? Probably worked out, man. We'll probably get kicked out, Mike.
SPEAKER_03Slap out of Minneapolis, bro. Not let them back in.
SPEAKER_00Uh lock the door, man.
SPEAKER_03It is uh March 20th through the 22nd. Oh, those of us. So those of you uh over in uh Europe or will be traveling to it, uh looks to be like a jam-packed weekend of activity. Oh, it's gonna be a blast.
SPEAKER_00All the developers, I mean, a good portion of them. Yeah, a good portion of them are going to be there. I know that. Of course, Navigraph, man, uh Wing Wing Wing Wing, Wing Control, Window Unit, where those guys, man, they're gonna be there.
Performance Balance And Reliability
SPEAKER_03Um, Navigraph, any builds, honeycomb, meridian, moza, airline manager, PMDG, Skalarky, shout out, and Toby are just a few that you guys can see there. Sweet. But selfishly, uh, we will be at FS Expo, uh, the US version of uh these festivities. Um, please be sure to register flightsome expo.com backslash register. Go to close traffic podcast.com as well for additional details related to it. And um proud to say uh we are once again sponsors uh at FX Expo. Um, so uh it's uh gonna be a good one. Well, I went to the lab the one uh last year, no, the year before that, sorry, in Vegas. And then previous to that, we were all in Houston. So we'll be together again since the Houston expo. So definitely feel free to uh hit us up, let us know if you're gonna be there. Uh come check us out and be sure to register and book your hotels because they are going fast.
SPEAKER_00Going quick, man. And um yeah, definitely uh definitely check that out for sure. And also check us out on all of your podcast platforms now. We're finally on pretty much all of them, I think. Yeah, pretty much everything. Yeah, for a while we're just only two, and now we just uh you know, again, we're just transitioned to a new hosting platform. So we are um pretty much on all of them there. So definitely, definitely check us out. Be sure to uh give us um you know whatever rating you think is fair, preferably four or five stars. Definitely helps out with the old algorithms and all that fun stuff. And um, yeah, that's that's all I that's all I have. What about you, Mike? All set, man.
SPEAKER_03We can call it too cool.
SPEAKER_00Uh once again, CTP friends and family, and those and those of you who are just joining us, thank you. Appreciate you, love you. Till next time, guys. Take care of yourselves and each other. We'll see ya.