Closed Traffic Podcast

From Valdosta To Cabo With A Fancy Turboprop

• Johnny Green, Michael Salmon, and Charlie Roper

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We catch up on the latest heat in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024, from a standout Piaggio P180 to the sudden A340 buyer’s dilemma. We also get honest about how we plan routes, why long hauls feel rewarding, and how scenery and updates can make or break a sim night. 
• first impressions of the Flight FX Piaggio P180 Avanti II for MSFS 2024 
• building believable corporate routes using FlightAware and Flightradar24 
• why freeware airports on FlightSim.to change how we fly 
• the Aerosoft Toliss A340-600 versus iniBuilds A340-300 tradeoffs 
• long haul culture, time compression debates, and VATSIM realities 
• Black Square Cessna 208 Caravan expectations and real-world ops 
• scenery and platform updates across MSFS 2024 and X-Plane 12 
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Welcome And What Dropped

SPEAKER_02

Live from the Labor. Welcome to the Close Traffic Podcast, an aviation and flight simulation show. Welcome aboard.

SPEAKER_00

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the closed PR podcast, an aviation and flight simulation show. Johnny, along with my main man here, Mike. Mike, say hello to the people. What's up? What's up? What's up? Oh my lord, man. How you been, bro? How you been?

SPEAKER_01

Man, can't call it, bro. Another day. Another day.

Flight FX Piaggio First Impressions

SPEAKER_00

What the people say Farrell Midland? Farrell Midland, man. I hear you, man. I hear you. Ladies and gentlemen, again, welcome to the CTP show. Definitely appreciate you guys coming aboard with us. Got a heck of a show. Lot, a lot went on. Just last week. We're going to touch on the 340. And the bills are told us. I don't know. The Piaggio P180, our good friends over Flight FX has graced us with the 2024 version. Definitely going to touch on that. Our good friend over at Pac Sam just hit us with the Salt Lake City version too. Man, a lot going on. A couple things, though. Oh man, yeah, but it's it's it's it's man, it's it's fire. It's fire. Definitely looking forward to hitting that one. Want to give a shout out. Quick shout out to all of our Patreon backers. Thank y'all for keeping us going and keeping the bills paid. As always, guys, thank you for you know giving us the opportunity to, you know, to you know, be a part of your daily commute or be a part of your workout or whatever you guys. Speaking of workout, man, I need to get into doing it. No, um around the corner, bro. Yeah, yeah, it's right around the corner. You know, but yeah, you know, appreciate you guys, you know, letting us be in a part of your day-to-day and taking an opportunity to listen to us. And please make sure you, you know, give us a good rating there on all of your favorite uh podcast outlets and all that fun stuff. But yeah, man, let's slide in to the show, Mike. So, you know, we've been I think over the past year or so, you know, we always, I say we, me personally, you know, we we we need more business just, we need more corporate aircraft, we need this, we need that, and now we're starting to see all these projects come to fruition, and I am absolutely here for it. Good friends over at Flight FX. Shop to our man, our friends over there go, Marwan, Nico, and the rest of the team. We've got the Piagio P.180 Avanti 2 for Flight Sim 2024. Uh, I had the opportunity to check it out a couple times here. I've been crazy busy, but I made sure I saw the drop day. I'm like, yes, I am here for it. Had to make it happen. Phenomenal modeling. The uh those of us who are looking for the avatars with the weight they'll aligns with the weight and balance, it's there. The nuances as relates to the flight modeling is there for the P180, from what I've read. Never been anyone totally on the buckle list. Maybe one day here, but I mean, just absolutely it's just solid. I'm just being honest with you, it's solid. I I can't think of anything that I thought, hmm, maybe it needed this. Anything is yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They're still running the Proline 21 avionic suite in there.

SPEAKER_00

Pro Line 21, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01

Carry that over.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, carry that over as well with the you know, with the import capability, things of that nature. Avionics were solid. I did a flight from hmm, where did I go? Lovefield to Valdosta, Georgia. You guys knew me. Baldosta, Georgia. I have no idea. Man, you guys know gosh, I don't know, man, but you know, but I don't even know why you're surprised. But I mean considering who considering who you're talking to, why are you even surprised, Mike?

SPEAKER_01

Oh man, you're right. I should not be surprised. And and shout out to everybody from Valdosta, Georgia, or near it. I just like it's just hilarious. I've never even heard of the place in in the 3D world, but my man found it in the cement. Found it, bro.

SPEAKER_00

Shout out to the Piaggio and I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01

You gotta walk us through how you got up one morning and said, you know what? The flight effects Piaggio is out. I'm gonna go fly to Valdosta, Georgia, today. Where that came from? It has to have been a part of your journey in life, bro. What did you do with Valdosta a couple years ago or something?

SPEAKER_00

No, it was a journey to the coffee pot, grabbing my coffee and checking Flight Sim.2. Wow, that was really good. So you just like threw up a what's some airports in here? Yeah, okay, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah, shout out to our uh free wear flight sim developers, man. They I mean, they they literally allow us to explore the world. And in fact, I'll give this guy a shout out here. There's a couple of the scenery developers I follow, and and on uh flight sim.2 and there's ours.

SPEAKER_01

This does look nice.

Flying Realistic Corporate Routes

SPEAKER_00

Oh, did you see it already?

SPEAKER_01

I'm looking it up right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think it's like Kilo Victor Lima Delta, I think. Kilo Lima Delta, yeah. Yep. If it's who I think it is, let me go ahead and shout him. Then he just dropped an update. Gosh, Daniels Jam. Shout out to Daniels Jam on Flight Sim.2 for Beldo. Uh DJ, my I'm gonna get that part added in there, man. You got to, man. You got to, but just a solid airport, man. And the and this guy, and and and I love it because when you go, for example, you pull up, you know, uh flight aware or flight radar 24, and you look at where these aircraft go, they don't always go to Midway, they don't always go to JFK, Teterborough, whatever. It's normally, you know, hey, we're having a you know, a I don't know, a box truck convention in Baldosta, Georgia. Right. I got a whole bunch of money. I don't have time to deal with Southwest Airlines nonsense.

SPEAKER_01

And connect three times.

SPEAKER_00

And connect 90 times. Let me find a charter outfit, you know, or hey, let me reach out to so-and-so. I know he owns a you know our P180, you know, let's let's let's share fuel costs. So I just got an interesting story, interesting story with a Honda Jet here in a minute. And, you know, hey, let's, you know, let's let's do that. So they're going to like Bentonville, Arkansas, which those of you who are familiar in the U.S. and know all about Walmart. Yes, good old Bentonville. A lot of a lot of ops there, you know, Valladosta, Georgia, or you know, you go out to Florida, you know. And I I think that's where I kind of gravitate to those operations because it gets kind of a break from the north. You know, and even you know, during my brief stint, you know, in a citation, I can I think I went to Tucson in a citation. That's probably the largest airport I've I've had the opportunity of going into in the citation. It was Tucson. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00

And so, you know, I mean, it's just, you know, now if we're talking Gulf Stream or a legacy or something like that, you might hit those, you know, larger airports. But yeah, you know, but you're looking at an aircraft, you know, hey, well, the does this aircraft align to the you know the mission? You see what I'm saying? And so, you know, that's typically what I'll do. You know, I'll look and see what's dropping, and I'll pull up flight 7.2 or, you know, or look at um, you know, okay, that's available. Let me look at flight radar, let me look at flyerware or see, you know, what's going into that airport. And that's kind of how I, you know, align my my operation. So, you know, that's that's that's me.

SPEAKER_01

That makes sense, bro. You're not far off. I do that occasionally. Like, so I've been flying the last couple of days. Uh, speaking of flight effects, the citation X again here lately loved that plane, found a new affinity for it once again. And I did the same thing. I went to Flight Aware. I'm like, you know, how where did they go out of Burbank with the Citation X or something similar, like the longitude, and ended up in Colorado Springs. BMM Sim has a very nice Colorado Springs. Uh, where else did I send it to recently? Uh Fresno, uh K Fat. I forgot who makes that one, but that's a that was a nice scenery. But yeah, so I I definitely get the approach to you know how you consider where you fly some of these light pistons or light jets in the sim. I think to your point, it definitely keeps the uh it keeps you on your toes and it keeps the the stuff entertaining and and interesting because like when you think about why Microsoft Flight Sim 2024 is so you know attractive to to many individuals compared to its predecessors or the other sims that you you know folks run in parallel. Usually to go and find scenery in those places, you had to uh you know, like hope that someone has done some sort of real development around it to make it efficient. X-Plane's a little different because typically like you could really hit any airport and X-Plane and it's pretty solid. But certainly if you're coming from the FSX or P3D days, you would not probably go to Valdosa, Georgia, because it would look horrendous. So yeah, shout out to the the engine behind the sim or the engine that is the sim to allow these developers to take advantage of and do stuff like this. Like I found recently here, speaking of the flight effects, I was trying to get to Cabo, and I'm like, there's no real cabo scenery that anyone has touched. And I've come to find out later it's because like there really isn't any available attributes for people to like really say, all right, I'm gonna uh light library, stuff like that, yeah, and make it a solid product. However, since we're doing shout-outs, HSS Simulations on Flight Sim.2 has a incredible San Jose del Cabo for Microsoft Flights in 2024. Like, I'm looking at these ground textures, I just downloaded it, so we'll probably send something there. Jetways look fantastic. The surrounding scenery, again, a lot of that is the native engine itself that's able to produce that. But uh this is incredible, and again, we've needed a cabo San Lucas in flight sim forever.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's probably why I hadn't sent it, man. Because I just I think I think I may have to look for Cabo. I mean, yeah, whatever.

Cabo Scenery And World Exploration

SPEAKER_01

Looks like they only did it about seven months ago. So it's not like you missed much. Uh again, prior to that, no one was touching it. So uh super excited, man, to your overall point. I think it is phenomenal that we get to not only get these light jets, these pistons, and be able to fly them, but fly them to the actual places, the nuanced places that folks typically fly them, you know, out there in the real world. But I need to, to your point, we were talking offline before we started the show. You're right, man. I gotta pick it up. You guys have been telling me about it since 2020. I didn't realize it it gets up to speeds of just over 400 knots.

SPEAKER_00

One of the fastest turboprops out there, man.

SPEAKER_01

No idea.

SPEAKER_00

She's quick, she's quick.

SPEAKER_01

It's got that pusher prop that allows it to. Yeah, that's really cool.

SPEAKER_00

She's quick. And what's nice, even on those longer cruises, and I didn't really think how much I enjoyed it until I, you know, partook of it. Yeah, the interactivity in the cabin, there's about nothing in there that's not interactive. Even the seats kind of tilt to one. Oh, really? And then think, oh man, you open the little uh uh the cabinets, cabinets, and you know, they see snacks and things like that in it.

SPEAKER_01

Just like they did the Citation X, man. Yes, man. Got all the gabbing controls in there, the snacks, the box launches. Yes, shout out to Flight Effects, man. Just amazing. We don't give them enough credit. They've really taken the level of immersion that is available that you're available to use in the sim and really bring it to fruition.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely, man. Uh, they even have a Medevac version as well, so you can run those Medivac ops.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It is, I want to say it is career mode capable as well. So run your missions and things like that if that's your damn. Uh just man, uh and that and that's typically the overall, you know, thesis of you know, anything I look at or review from Flight FX, I mean, it's just they hit all of the marks. Yeah. Like, and it's normally the first time. You know, so I I just I don't know what to say. You know, there's some developers that you know that first release might be a little might be a little rocky, but then over time they kind of you know, they they they they line out, but then there's there there's a few, there's a select few. Those, you know, the select group that just hit every time day one. Fly FX is one of them. FlyFX is one of them. So yeah, shout out to them. Great product. Man, I'm sorry, just gotta go off on the scenery thing, but I'm just kind of looking at what my uh what what Daniel is. Yeah, on the fly. So our so those of us who are looking for those off-the-beaten path airports, I know there's some some people more than me out there. I'm just saying, you know, I'm I'm here for y'all. I'm here. Arcadiana Regional Airport in Louisiana, he's done that. Johnson County Executive in Olaf, Kansas, he's done that. The Garmin Headquarters in Olaf, Kansas, he's done that. Henry Tift Myers Airport in Tifton, where in the tarnation is that? Georgia. Apparently, that's the one of the it's like the Georgia Department of Driver's Services. So the DMB, if y'all want to go flying to the DMB, y'all can check it out there. Vero Beach, Florida, Miami Opalaka Executive. Yep.

SPEAKER_01

I've been waiting for an Opalaca.

SPEAKER_00

Man, Sioux Falls, Albany, Georgia, Huntsville, Glacier, S Sierra, Charlie, Gulf, Charlie, Union Glacier Camp. If you're heading to Antarctica for whatever reason, Huntsville, Grand Forks, Abbeville. I mean, the list goes on, guys.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, guess what? They are all five stars.

SPEAKER_00

All of them.

SPEAKER_01

And they're not like two or three people downloading them, giving them five stars. He's got thousands of downloads on these thousands. Five stars, bro. Shout out to you, Mr. Daniel.

Aerosoft Toliss A340 Decision Time

SPEAKER_00

Shout out to him. For sure. For sure, man. And uh, speaking of relators' releases, though, Mike, and I really want to lean on you relating to this drop, man. Is there so those of us who have been X Plane, we've all have had the opportunity and a blessing to partake in the releases that are that TOLIS has dropped for us in Next Plane. And, you know, that's always been the thing. Well, y'all got Phoenix, we got TOLUS, you know. And, you know, months back, you know, we started getting rumblings that there was some sort of collaboration going on and with Aerosoft, and then all of a sudden, wow, we're hearing, wait a minute, TOLUS is doing an Aerobus or you know, it's working on an Airbus with Aerosoft, and I didn't make sense. Yeah, no sense whatsoever. You know, we thought the sky was falling, and you know, find out the 340-600. And uh man, I'm I'm I'm completely blown away. It it looks really good. Some comparisons I think you know, we'll we'll get to here in a minute. But but what what were your thoughts on it, Mike?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man, we've been talking about the A340 for a couple of shows now, and you guys are trying to convince me to pick one up. I think you know, for maybe we try first-time listeners. I am a huge fan and advocate of the Airbus. I love them. The A321 obviously is my favorite. A350, very closely second, but I love the Airbus products, but typically the newer ones. I just love the the avionics. I love as a passenger as well, probably the most comfortable ride you'd get out there, you know, in the narrow body worlds, especially when compared to Boeing and some of those other things. However, the A340 has not been my cup of tea. You know, the the it if I don't know for whatever reason I can't describe it. I think Johnny probably actually enlightened me a bit here. Again, we were talking offline that the 300 came out or has the base A320 model type engine. So, like the proportion of engine to aircraft just always looked weird to me, weird as hell. And maybe that's what it was. So, again, never been a huge A340 fan, and hence, you know, why I've never really picked it up in the sim. However, I've been seeing you know, images and videos and streams lately, before I get to TOLUS, of the Innie Builds product. And I'm a huge Innie Builds fan. No, a lot of people are naysayers just because of the WASM crashes and the how how taxing their product can be on your system because it doesn't feel optimized and it takes them forever to get to that stage. It feels like to your earlier point, they're one of those developers that probably fall into the category of we're gonna drop it, but it's gonna take some time to get ironed out. So I've been looking at it, especially their what would you call it, the executive package, the executive version of the code.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like the VIP version, I think. Yeah, the 340.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, those of you that are A340 or sorry, any builds fans, you guys know they come correct when it comes to textures and immersion and sound, and it's a really well put together package, and that's why, you know, with advocates like Johnny and Charlie, I was nearing pulling the trigger on it, and then boom, lo and behold, the Johnny just shared Erasoft slash Tolus just dropped their 340. I'm like, damn. Now, not only are there two products of a plane that I don't really like or or or have stayed away from, but I was getting ready to, I've got to freaking make a decision around it. So I've been doing some research, and you know, and again, you guys can agree to disagree, but it sounds like for the most part, there's some really mixed feedback on you know the 300 model versus the 600 pro. Aerosoft calls everything pro, by the way. That was true, I just knows that since back in the FSX days, uh but there's there's some mixed feedback, so any builds very visually impressive. I think we all know that. As I mentioned, it's it's insanely good, looks really well, sounds are awesome. But the 340, and I think we've got TOLUS to probably thank here because you know, and this is not a downplay to Aerosoft, they've just never been a cut above the typical uh Airbus developers in the sim for in-depth simulation. Their products worked and I think they were always fine, but they weren't at the level of FS Labs or Phoenix or even TOLUS. So I think it was great that TOLUS and them partnered together to come out with this awesome product. So it looks like because of that, they're a little bit more uh in-depth as it relates to system simulation when compared to any bill. So I've got like those two components to really like sit here to compare and contrast and consider. Do I want something that's much more visually impressive? And I'd argue it's not much more. I just looked at the photos, but a little bit more visually impressive versus something that's a little bit more in-depth and simulated. The other proponent to it is the 300 versus 600 model. I do a lot of long hauls, especially here within the last couple of months, and I think I would prefer the 600 engine. They also don't look disproportionate, like I mentioned before. It makes the 340 look tolerable to me now. I forgot to mention the A382, that's probably my third favorite on the Airbus line. Because you guys know I've been sending a snot out of that one.

SPEAKER_00

All the ever living snot. Oh my gosh, I'm sick of looking at it.

SPEAKER_01

It's like, oh my gosh, another shot of the A380. It's just the ramp appeal is just amazing on that thing. And I think the 34600 can can can kind of get you there. 300, not so much. All that being said, I think folks, I am leaning towards the tallest aerosoft one. I think you know it's it's gonna do the job as it relates to me coming out there and actually enjoying an A340 and and dipping my toe in the water, if you will. They've also got a lot, probably a lot more, besides just in-depth system simulation, a lot more adjacent features, if you will, that I think makes the life of a typical flight timmer uh that much easier. So they've got 250 looks like user user triggable failures. I'm not a huge failure, guys. I barely have enough time to simulate it. Is I don't want to get in the plane and things breaking. Um they've got a lot of modelled components around, looks like the replay mode, as you mentioned here before. The sounds are a little bit to be desired according to some of these reviews here, but for the most part, does its job. I love the autosave functionality. Um, I think that's huge, especially if you're gonna be doing long hauls. So I think that's really cool. But again, I think for the most part, it's it really comes down to what you are looking to do. So, number one, do you have the A340 from any builds already? And unless you're a huge A340 specific fan, uh doesn't make sense to go get another one, especially when the the the differences here are are not too like the the gap is not too too wide here as it relates to the two the two aircraft. Now, again, if you're a huge proponent of the A340, you just gotta have the two different models, you gotta have a 300, you gotta have a 600, then maybe, maybe it's time to pick it up. Or if you are just an advocate flight simmer and you like products to to compare and to contrast and to really get your hands on and to provide feedback to your constituents or or whatever it may be, then you may just pick it up for that. So I think I'm leaning TOLUS, I'm leaning Aerosoff. Shout out to TOLUS and Aerosoft for the huge release. I think regardless, you can't lose with regardless of what product you pick up. We're in a really good time in flight soon today that for the most part these products are are are hitting. So go ahead and pick it up, man.

A380 Economics And Four Engines

SPEAKER_00

No, man. Uh I mean I think you're spot on on all accounts. See, listen. I I I'm not y'all know I'm not an Airbus guy, just to be honest with you. However, there's two Airbuses I like A300, A340. Why? I don't know. It's just something about the 340. I just I don't know, guys. Y'all are probably like, what it's magic to him. Magic. No. I just it's just something that's always resonated with me with the 340. Never but no one. I truth be told, y'all. I don't think I've seen, I may have seen one once. I'm like, oh, cool, it's 340. I was doing something else. But I just I've always gravitated to the aircraft. Maybe because it's four-engine. I don't know. Because I like the three, I like the 747, right? I like the DC. But you don't like the 380 with the I don't like the three. Man, I don't know, bro. That thing, I don't maybe because the fact I was gonna be honest with y'all, there's no freaking reason why 10-year-old airplane is hitting Roswell already. I'm just going there's absolutely no reason why them things are hitting Roswell right now. I can see, I can see the 320. Totally get that. They've been running them things since the 80s. I get that. Three the 380, bro. They're in Roswell, fam. Like they're already showing up on plane tags, bro, because they're cutting them up. That's not true. I mean, I I could be I could be wrong on plane tags, but but it's it's they're they're hitting Roswell, and it's very unfortunate. I think I was watching the YouTuber, man. One of those YouTubers who they they travel, they do a whole bunch of travel, they traveling like Amtrak, and they're like, and then they post the uh you know, they post the thumbnails like, what's the like to travel on Amtrak? And it's like, I mean like big yellow letters or something or whatever. And um, I was watching them, and he actually took a trip on Global X or something like that. And it was an airline that had like one A3A, bro. They he must have brought whoever whoever owned Global X, they must have copped a 380 just before it was about to hit Roswell. They're like, hey man, we're about to hit this, we're about to send this thing to Roswell. But shoot, some guy just hit us up on Marketplace wanting to pick this thing up, you know, for like, you know, a few, you know, a few hundred bucks or whatever. And they're like, hey, well, we might as well make a hundred a couple hundred dollars off this 380 rather than sending it to Roswell. And I don't know, I'm paraphrasing. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if those conversations actually happen. I'm just assuming. But uh hey man, I give you 200, bro. But y'all seen those, man. Like, y'all like pull up on Facebook, give me some clapped out whatever. It's like I know what I got or whatever. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Don't lowball me. I know what I got. Man, it's you ain't gonna take yourself somewhere.

SPEAKER_00

380 going to Roswell, bro. Don't lie, don't lowball me. I know what I got. But uh, but anywho, they uh they take this trip. I think the first leg was like from Europe to JFK. And the thing apparently was an X. It flew for another airline previously, and it had the Global X livery on it, but on the inside of it, it was still the airline from its previous existence. And it was just it was it was sketch, bro. It was like if I was trying to start off an airline on a budget, I'm like, hey y'all, we we about to we're about to send this 380 and like we ain't got no more money than we ain't got no money to uh to get the cabin together, bro. Hey, we got the paid job, we can pay the pilots who pay the flight tests, bro. That's it, fam. Like anything else, like I don't even think we had they have money for meals, bro. I don't even think everybody got their meals uh like y'all gonna get some stofers or something. Like, that's all we got. Like somebody's like work, yeah, bro. Like somebody run the sands real quick, back back by a whole bunch of stofers' meals, bro. That's what we do, but no, man, it's just never really. I don't know, man. That thing just and don't get me wrong, technologically is a marvel. I'm totally here for it. Amazing size of that thing flying, amazing and handles the way it does. I think, and this is just uninformed Johnny talking here. I think it came at a really horrible time when you know if I'm all that, yes, man, and I'm I'm I'm I'm running on really tight margins. I've got equipment that can perform the mission just as well for cheaper. And y'all, you know, even if I already have a really good relationship with Airbus, and you know, the Airbus salesman knocks on the door. Hey, you know, hey Johnny, I got this great deal for you. It's this four-engine monster. Uh, you may or may not be able to get in some gates, but hey, we will give you a good deal.

SPEAKER_01

Most gates, yeah. Even a three, even the 747 fit in most places than that A380 did. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00

And so I just I just I think it came in just a really, really poor time. So, you know, but the 340-600, in my opinion, from a real world perspective, I think it kind of suffered the same thing because it really didn't sell all that well. I'm just be honest with y'all. It didn't sell all that well. I mean, there's there's I think Luftanza still sending Luftanza. Luftanza. I think it's still I think I think they're still sending that thing from here in the kingdom come, but I just heck they bought them, so yeah, you might as well run the snot out of them.

SPEAKER_01

Lou Tanza still sends everything, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_00

Like everything they've ever acquired is still flying. If they had some DC tens that hadn't fallen apart, they'll probably still be sending those, bro. Hey man, we got some LT and LMs in this Concord, bro. I think they've got everything they've ever acquired still flying, bro. We got this Ford Tri Motor, bro. Oh man, hey, hey, run some hey, run some regional ops, bro. We got them things the right brothers sent. Man, quick hop of the joke. Throw a 750 in it and send it, man. That's what we do, right? That's what we do, right? We throw GTS.

SPEAKER_01

Everything is all right with the world, bro.

SPEAKER_00

It's all right with the world, bro. We certified, we STC, bro, and we gone, man. We gone. But yeah, man, I don't know. Like, it looks absolutely amazing to me. Just the when you tell me the name TOLUS, that in itself, truth be told, ladies and gentlemen. I I wanted to pick it up just for, I mean, heck, this is TOLUS first foray in the you know, 2024, man. I I wanted a copy. Now I love seeing developers I come up with, they transition to a new platform. Just even if I know I'm probably gonna send this cursed thing one time and it goes slap to the anger, just for the fact that you know, just out, just you know, I want to new yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

SPEAKER_01

And that's why I'm leaning towards it as well. Yeah, who knows? I may still grab the any bill should have got they should have done the 600 variant.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's man, but honestly, I don't know, man. You got more 340-300. 300s than 60s, really. Yeah, yeah. The 600 didn't sell well. I think if the 600 came before the 340 in terms of performance, I think we'll be having we'd be having a different conversation. The 600 uh because you're talking about you're talking about the Rolls 600, I think they got Rolls Royce's under them, and they're pushing about 56,000 pounds of thrust. I want to say with them CFM 56s that Airbus threw on there, which are A320 motors, I think they put putting out maybe 30 something. Don't quote me. So, I mean, it was, man, you got those things heavy, and heaven forbid, if it was hot, they they they burned up some real estate, you know, getting to getting off the ground. Uh getting up, yeah, getting off the ground. And I mean, I was just a I mean, they were just notorious for that. I mean, you knew, yeah, you you're gonna be a minute. So even though I want to say the dash 600 is considerably longer than the first generation of the 340 as well, performance-wise, I want to say it's still, you know, it's it's definitely still a step above the Dash 300 version. And it's unfortunate, man. I would have loved to have seen that thing in more places. I would have loved to see some American carrier streets be told pick that thing up, man. But just see that when you got all these other options, just man, it's just tough. It's tough, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think, man, I think to your point, is all a lot of these things just especially the 380, bro. Like, it's unfortunate, especially as a 380 fan, it didn't do as well. But it came out right during the economic 07-08 financial crisis. You got you know, Boeing out there getting the 787 together. It's just yes, it could move a heck of a lot of people, but you know, the the financial liability and operational cost just didn't make sense for a lot of airlines. So I get it. I definitely get it. And at 340, I think, yeah, the 600 is not that much longer. It's uh what is the thing here? I don't know, I can't read this. But yeah, it's uh it's a little, it's it's slightly longer. Not by much, not by much by much at all. Okay, not like the uh the the 77LR versus Yeah, bro, 300 ER. Yeah, 67.9 meters for the 600 and 63.6 meters for the 300.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, yeah, not not not crazy. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, man, so that's that's our take on the Aerosoft A340 300. Sorry, 600, and the inny builds A340 300. I'd love to know what you all out there think, man. Hit us up for sure.

Long Hauls Versus Quick Hops

SPEAKER_00

For sure. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Definitely, definitely give us some feedback on it. I you know, I I hear some things about any builds uh related to flight modeling in terms of the toolers, but you know, it's hard for us to say either way because we hadn't we hadn't flown it, you know. So I guess definitely looking forward to feedback, guys. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Man, so uh let me ask you this, Mike. Wall is heat coming out, yes, sir. You got the Piaggio P180. I'll put you on the spot, Mike, because you know it's gonna happen. Oh boy. You got the Piaggio P180. You got Black Square Cest and 208. Mm-hmm. What are you looking at in terms of where do I go?

SPEAKER_01

Where do I go?

SPEAKER_00

Wait, wait, if I'm looking for what again? I don't know, something like you know you're consistently going to send.

SPEAKER_01

Like, so so my mail it fits my mission. Fits your mission. Miagio, the A340, or the Black Square 208. Yeah is what you said. Yep. Bro, it's it's gonna be the 340. Yeah. Just because I've just been really enjoying long hauls here lately. I've been about a couple weeks, about a week or two, but for sure. It like it really just and I you so it's funny, man. I have I've had this progression in flights and where you know I started regional, you know, transcons were really my limit. And then I found myself, I think my first wide body was probably the PMDG 300 ER. Man, when I tell you I flew that plane for two months straight, I'm not exaggerating. Two months straight. I was on the line like American was paying me as a wide body captain, bro. I was gone, bro. Charles de Gaulle, uh, Miami, Chicago, Forth Worth.

SPEAKER_00

Boots on the ground, bro.

SPEAKER_01

Boots on the ground was everywhere at that 300. I was even, and they don't even take it to Honolulu, but I was taking it to the same there too, man. Golly, they're Charlie Robinson, bro. Amsterdam. Where else was I hit? It was crazy, bro. It was just long hauling everywhere. Uh, and then for whatever reason, I kind of fell out of it. Just you know, maybe partly I just didn't have the time no more. I just didn't feel like doing overnights anymore. So I went back to sort of regional transcon hops, and then I would say, and that that lasted without me doing that stuff, probably a good five, six years. And like I said, within the last three, four months, I've really just been enjoying these long hauls. So I think with that being said, it's it's probably the 340 for me because they're still sent a good amount of them all over the place. We just talked about Luftanza, they still fly them quite quite frequently. Does Swiss still fly their 340s? I don't believe so. I think they retired them just before or during COVID. Yeah, I don't remember, but anyway, so Luftanza Swiss was a good carrier for them. I know South African Airways was a big proponent of the A340s as well. I don't know if they still fly them. Yeah. So, yeah, man, there's there's a fair amount of them still out there in the skies, and you can get some classic, you know, oceanic flights going on.

SPEAKER_00

Oceanic flights with them, yeah. Yeah, I saw X. I saw XP, I think he uh just did a long haul with it. Yeah, it did overnight with it, man. Yeah, I mean I watched it. Yeah, it looked pretty. I mean, I think it looked solid, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, it just I I already know what's gonna happen with me, bro. I picked that thing up.

SPEAKER_01

You're not gonna flight though, because you're not a long hauler.

SPEAKER_00

You're not, you just don't mess with it.

SPEAKER_01

That's why I get it.

SPEAKER_00

You're you go to Valdosa, Georgia, Valdosa, Georgia, bro, man. The boy's good, man.

SPEAKER_01

That's just and again, man, like it has its it has its pros and cons. Like it really just depends on what you're trying to get out of your sim session, you know, compared to everything else you got going on that you gotta take care of, right? So go and to Valdosa, Georgia, and get yourself a couple little hops, you know, in your sim session, or you could dedicate eight to twelve hours of a long haul and go run errands or do something else. So it really just depends. I've seen like the arguments both ways. To me, like I never understood why the community is so gung-ho, you know, on one way or the other. Like, I've seen commentary around why would you do a long haul? You're not gonna sit there anyway. What's the point?

SPEAKER_00

You know, so man, I don't know. I think it to me it's the accomplishment of like you legit went like eight hours on the computer simulation and like landed and went like you literally did what you know real world carriers do all the time, and not everybody. First, if I'm just gonna be honest, let me just let me go ahead and just go and say it. Most of us, you know, and I'm sorry, those, you know, the the you know, the folks out there who just really don't take the long hauls to heart. But you know, it must be nice to have those kind of ends to jump on a vacation and go to Europe, but not you know, most normal folk don't have them kind of ends to just jump on it or the resources jump on the aircraft and go to Europe or jump on the aircraft, go from Europe to the States or Honolulu or wherever. So the only way we're able to you know take take part of the experience of going from you know these far-off places and experiencing experiencing the beauty of these places is in the Sam. And that's okay. That's all right. You see, I've seen it too, Mike. Like people take personal it's crazy, bro. And why are you doing this? Because I want to. That's why. You know, why do you want to feel why do you feel the the need to go and make that comment? Like, you know what I'm saying? It's just it's not that serious, guys. You can open that. People enjoy what they enjoy, and that's fine. That's what makes flight simming awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, it opens up your world and your and and and your appetite to go, if you can, travel abroad and and go see other people and cultures and things and places. And I know before I was traveling abroad, my first experiences were in Flight Sim. I had a list, and I'm like, I'm eventually gonna go to those places, and I've been able to do that. But because of Flight Sim, I had you know those interests and and and and whatnot. But yeah, it's it's really weird, bro, the how into their feelings some of these people get about the way someone chooses to enjoy their flight sim experience. It's nuts, man.

SPEAKER_00

It's nuts. Sometimes I just sit back, bro, especially if I'm at, you know, if I'm like sending an email for work, I'm like, I'm gonna go check these forums, bro. Jump on Amazon, bro.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man, like when the aircraft like this just dropped. I had one person they was in there arguing about the now, so I'm gonna contradict myself here. I will say I saw one person right in there, they gotta figure out the hop to or or jump to proponents of of these aircraft simulations. Like I should be able to 4X, 8X my flight. PMDG offers it, by the way, if you're not familiar with that, essentially allows you to take your eight to 12 hour long haul and make it four hours if you want, or whatever. That I never understood. So I'm I'm gonna contradict myself here. And you we just said you can't judge people that for the way they want to fly into, but like if you're gonna go do the long haul, like what and bro, it's worse when you jump on the network with that nonsense. I've had people run into me, bro. No, I kid you not, bro. Kid you not. It's a good thing I have crash detection off because they would have ruined my eight-hour flight. But you've been. Why are you on Batsim 8X and compressing your timing, bro? Like, that makes zero sense. Don't do the long haul.

SPEAKER_00

Like, you bro, that's like getting on batsim and not wanting to talk to people.

SPEAKER_01

Like, what are you doing? It makes no sense. And again, if you're doing the long haul, uh, and again, you can sim the way you want, but like, you know, and I saw XP doing it today, too. I was I was proud of him. Shout out XP if you listen. I was proud of you, bro. He got up the next morning and was checking his fuel burn against where his waypoints were.

SPEAKER_00

Man, give my man a round of applause, bro. My man will be doing numbers. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01

That that is how you and it and it's not just not just like oceanic and like that's gentle like that's what pilots do, bro. Like, that's what we do. That's what you do, that's part of the entire experience. And it's you pick it up a notch when you're doing those oceanic routes, right? You you you're you're routing via NAT tracks, right? You're routing via you know what's happening over the ocean. You're checking your crossburn, cross-checking your fuel burn, your e-tops, you're setting your etops up properly in the avionics, by the way. You're understanding where your alternate airports are. I think that's what make the long haul, makes the long haul experience fun and enjoyable. It's not just flying from point A to point B, it's all the operational aspects of it. I think those developers like FS Labs and PMDG and Aerosoft, TOLUS, any bills that come out with these long haul products or the ability to take these products on a long Long haul. They those components are there. Those are ops. That was that's operation. So that's why it was always it's always funny to me when I see people. I'm not buying it because it doesn't eat X compression my time. Like, but bro, like then you're not long hauling. Like just go stick to standard ops.

SPEAKER_00

Man, I hate to go. I hate to go on a cross cross-country road trip with him, bro. Cause we stay at a gas station, mess with them. Like they're one of ones, bro. If they fuel gauge is off, you're cooked, bro. They ain't it ish. Like they ain't looked at nothing up.

SPEAKER_01

Like, we have a few over the ocean. How did that happen, bro? Unless there's a bug or defect in the aircraft, it's a different story. Because I've had that happen. There was a defect. Man, bump that, bro.

SPEAKER_00

That mess around beyond Blanco, man. Whatever. Whatever. I ain't trying to hear it, man. Shout out to my man XP, though, man. Like really going out there and demonstrating like true, true real world operations, bro. That's what you're doing, man. That's why them trade tables are in the little bougie airbusters because you got to pull out there and do paperwork.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. And the comments around you don't sit there anyway. That's why there's like two to four different crew members out there. They take turns, bro. That's why they're crewmates on these wildlife.

SPEAKER_00

Like on the MD, like on the MD11, man, that that right jump seat is facing the desk for a reason. Because a lot of times folks are doing you're doing paperwork. Mm-hmm. The more you know. The more you know.

SPEAKER_02

Doo doo doo doo.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, so it's it's definitely so uh, you know, looking forward to uh Mike's impressions as well because I'm sure he's gonna cover directly after this.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, by the time we get on our next show, which we've got a good cadence going of every other week. Well, I will have some feedback for you all for sure.

Black Square Cessna 208 Caravan Hype

SPEAKER_00

Yay, can't wait, can't wait. Alrighty, man. Let's see here. Yeah, it's been a lot going on. I know um our good friend Black Square has he's about to drop the 208, man. I wish Charlie was here because I know I know my man Mike, he's not worried about it, but I'm worried about it because that's an aircraft that's near and dear to my heart. It was the first turbine aircraft I ever had the opportunity to fly.

SPEAKER_01

Your first aviation job, too, right?

SPEAKER_00

First aviation. Oh, bro. It was so it's very impressive. Like when you're, you know, you're training in 172s all day long, then you go and see this massive, like, you know, this mad basically an overgrown 172 on the ramp. You're like, you you know, the first few times you see it, you're kind of overwhelmed, and then after that, you kind of realize it's really what it looks like is literally how it flies. It's it's an overgrown 172. And there's nothing wrong with that because man, you can get that places that you can get that thing in some just amazing places, very tough airplane. You can you can beat the heck out of it. Solid power plant. You guys know it's the it's the PT6 on it. Things putting out like 670 horsepower. Oh and there's a few that power. Man, there's some variants out there that's um pushing close to a thousand. There's a Garrett iteration that's yeah, it's pretty close to a thousand. Well, you know, the Garrett engine, I don't think it's the TP33 or whatever it is. There's uh the Garrett iteration, but it's a geared turbine. That means when you walk up to it, you can't just spin the prop because it's literally connected to it. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. PT6 or you know, free spin, they use the you know, they they they use gases to get the turbine spinning and all that fun stuff. So you can walk up to it and spinny spinny. So that's what you want to see. You want to see the spinny spinny on the PT6, but anywho, just a really simple airplane, solid airplane. It's literally imagine your FedEx box truck. That's what the 208 is, because you know, a lot of FedEx operators, fusers, yeah, yeah. CMR they they for the size they hold, you know, they hold a lot of weight, useful to really good on them. And we've desperately needed one in 2024. Uh Black Square, they did the Steam Gauge overall, uh, that utilized the default. Did we have one in 2020?

SPEAKER_01

Or no?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he he that was the Steam Gauge version. But he used the default model, yeah, for Steam Gauge version, which I heard was really good. I didn't pick it up because I just it was something about the I don't know, it was something about the the default version model that just it it didn't pull it didn't pull the strings quite quite quite right, Mike. I don't know why. And so I kind of I sat on it and then plus I had X Plain, then I have my man Throndo over there, and uh so I was running my feeder ops with it. And uh so they're you know they've they've dropped first looks and all that fun stuff. I know if you pull up Just Flight's website, they got a lot of lot of footage on it. So you guys, if you're interested, definitely check it out. Tons of operations with this thing. Uh not only, of course, you know, the normal charter passenger ops, I think Southern Air sends this sends the snot out of them, but uh Mountain Air runs a lot of operations. I know we got a bunch of FedEx feeder operations around here at my local airport uh that we see. They're also doing, they're doing two models. They're doing the and I should have been prepared, and I am not. What are y'all how are y'all releasing this thing, just like I know the amphibian and cargo is separate, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, so they got the caravan professional passenger, and then the caravan professional, amphib, and cargo. Looks like the bundle is 64 US, 64.99 US, which ain't freaking bad. I ain't gonna lie to y'all. That's not bad. Compared to what we, you know, compared what we've been paying, y'all. I'm seeing oh, hold on. When does it come? Tuesday, the 17th, March 17th.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, this must be the older variant because I'm seeing 47.

SPEAKER_00

Manu. Hold on, let me drop it here in the chat for you for you, Mike. Yeah, we got I'm seeing 64.99 here, uh, which will get you the passenger and the amphib and cargo versions, which I'm not, I'm not gonna I I'm not gonna lie to you, CTP family. You're uh Johnny's going for the cargo version, which which I I I could care less about the NFIB, not taking anything away from the MFib. I know there's a lot of MFib guys out there, full send to you, but I'm going for the cargo version. But, you know, just out of support, going to pick up the bundle for me. And you know, those of you who have had any black square or anything, whatever you saw, it's gonna be there, plus more. The Avion's gonna be there, you know. My man Boris, I would I don't know how this guy has time to do all these, all these different it's just it's just nuts. I don't know, man. He must have like a office building somewhere in you know New York, and that's all they do like pump out freaking sound packages. I don't know, man. Like that, like, oh no, he doesn't. I don't know how he doesn't because like every aircraft I send, like his sounds are like Boris, how Boris, we need you on the show, man, because how how do you do it? I'm just trying to figure out how do you do it?

SPEAKER_01

He's gotta go and capture those sounds too, bro. Like, that's the hard part, probably.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes. Mind blown, mind blown, but looking forward to it for sure. Again, it's we're recording this here the third 14th of March, and it'll be out in here in a couple days. So looking forward to it for sure. Man, that's really all I wanted to touch on as far as the 208. I mean, it's guys, it's unlike most other aircraft. I think Cessna did a really good job of making this thing just as utilitarian and as uneventful and as boring as possible. Hey, you got 800 hours in the 172, you can fly it in a commercial, you can fly this.

SPEAKER_01

You know, that's why it's a good transition. You know, it's a very good transition. First um aviation.

SPEAKER_00

Very good. Probably the most complex part of it all is learning the operational aspects of a PT6, going transitioning from a reciprocating engine to a turbine-driven aircraft. To me, I think uh from a perspective of operating it, I think it's easier than any reciprocating aircraft you run into. I think the what's most important with any turbine-driven aircraft is the startup and the characteristics as it relates to keeping the engine within within spec, operating it within parameters. Once you get past that, like it's easy. I mean, it's easy. You ain't gotta deal with any mixtures or anything, you know. Keep your ITTs and your torque within don't break the shaft and don't burn it up, and you're good. That's all the PTC wants the PTC wants, a PT6 wants. Don't break me, don't burn me up, and we're good. So yeah, that's it. And you know, it's a little heavy on the nose. I mean, you can only imagine, you know, going from a lie combing, you know, to a PT6. Yeah, you know, you got a little bit weight in the front, so you know, she's a little nose heavy. She drops like a rock, hates icing.

unknown

Really?

SPEAKER_00

It's one of those, oh god, yeah. I mean, look at it. You know, I mean, it literally picks up ice everywhere. Everywhere you can imagine, ice would build up. It gets on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. It's got boots, right? Oh, it got boots. But they they could quickly get be overwhelmed, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. She gets really sloppy, like really like sloppy. Like MD MD11 sloppy, sloppy. But we're not normally MD11 gets kind of sloppy, like on like approach with those with the flying tabs that it has. Imagine that, but be at cruise. And I damn. She she she doesn't like it. She's like a disaster. She don't like it. Not one bit. Not one bit. So aside from that, I mean, well, she's solid, bro. Stall Steve Terrand, all that. I mean, she'll do it. So, yeah, very uneventful aircraft, but it's fine. It's fun. I mean, it'll be a good for me. It'll be a good all that that Valdosta, Georgia thing y'all talking about, man. I'm I'm gone. Bro, you you think Valdosta's out of the way, man?

unknown

Shh.

SPEAKER_00

Wait till I get my hands on that 208, bro. There's gonna be some spots. Find some spots, bro. Not even worried about it. It's gonna be sweet.

SPEAKER_01

It's gonna be a part of the country I've never heard of.

Scenery Updates And X-Plane News

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes, yes, yes, it's gonna be awesome, man. It's gonna be like the world in the world, it's like Concordman San Diego. I'm not sure if y'all remember that. Those of us who remember it, those old heads remember it. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be world in the world's Johnny. World's Johnny's gonna be like my face on the map. But I don't know, whatever. But yeah, so yeah, two of Black Square, looking forward to that, man. But that's pretty much I know our good from uh Pac Sam steadily cooking on the scenery, on the scenery line. Any builds also has been cooking as well, got a bunch of updates from any builds. That's right. Um, Salt Lake City just dropped, version two just dropped for 2024. But yeah, going back to any builds, a lot of heat got updated. The FW got updated, Mike.

SPEAKER_01

So yep, I I ran my update yesterday. That got updated, San Antonio was updated. Pretty sure they're not any bills, but I purchased them through the any bills portal. Dominique Designs and Indianapolis got updated. Anybody's has also launched Hong Kong and Hong Kong City. Be cool. So, again, for you long haulers out there, especially 340. I think Cathay, Cathay may fly a 340. Don't take my word for it. I imagine they do, man. I mean, I isn't that a pretty yeah, that's a pretty hot spot for Cathay. No, they retired in 2017.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but I'm sure you get livery for it and still run the ops.

SPEAKER_00

So oh yeah, I actually know. Now, you mentioned that I did see the Cathay livery on dot two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And you guys know me. I'm quick on these things. So as we were speaking, I just picked up that 340 and got it installed and everything. So uh I will tell you what liveries are here. Oh, yes, Cathay Pacific, China Eastern, Eattiad, I think I'm on there too. Eat Tied, Hanin. Heinen? Heinen? H-A-I-N-A-N. I always mispronounce them. Heinen. Iberia Lutanza, new and old Mahatan, Mahan plus Ultra. Never heard of them. Good old Qatar or Qatari, Sky Prime, South African Airways, Thai Airways, Universal Sky Carry, Ember. Oh, yeah, Virgin Atlantic, yes. Ooh. Although I don't know. So many of these are retired already, but again, you can still send the ops, and I think it'll be pretty cool. So I'll definitely let you guys know what I think.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. Yeah, definitely post it. Yeah. And if you guys are on Facebook, check us out on Facebook as well. Because we were always posting like random whatever on Facebook. And so if you're you love her antics, there's more antics on Facebook, and I'll always post like random whatever's on Instagram as well. Yeah, definitely check us out for sure. For sure. But yeah, man, it's gonna be it's gonna be sweet. X Plane, man, it's been doing a lot as well. Uh Xcraft dropped the E145 here recently, like the whole line. So it's been that's been fun sending as well. They also recently dropped version 12.4.1, which comes with a bunch of improvements for it, especially for default aircraft. I gotta give it to X Plane, man. They have loved on that A330. It got like a full, fully simulated RAM after RAM air turbine, a lot of FCU fixes. I think they got some like some pretty cool visuals as well, as it relates to that. Really? Yeah, man. It's I'm not a 330 guy at all, but they they man, that 330, that 330 rivals some payware variants and in 24, man. They've done a lot of work to it for sure. Yeah, so some scenery updates, performance upgrades, ATC enhancements. Those of you who use does anybody use use default ATC? I don't know. But you'd be surprised, man.

SPEAKER_01

There's quite a few. I've had this conversation here recently. There's quite a few that listen, it's not as bad as the FSX days, don't get me wrong. Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. People do. I would advocate that they go and try beyond or say intentions, but uh yeah, for sure. Oh, cool, cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, some crease hardware support, honeycomb, some profiles for the Fox Triviation, Sierra Tango Papa Mic, Echo Aviation Controller, which I think was sweet, by the way. Alpha Light and Bravo light and uh the Charlie Rudder pedals. I gotta now fully support it. And uh yeah, that's that's pretty much it on the X-Plane side, man. And man, I think that's about all I got. Money, Mike.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man. Uh the A350 by Indibles was also just updated.

SPEAKER_00

So man, you know, it's one of those things, bro. They they they've updated that thing so much that I've kind of like I don't even look anymore because it's yeah, because they've I don't know. Oh, that's one more thing. I mean to cut you off, Mike. No, go ahead. Those of us who love you know funky aircraft with the Lear 3, like such as Delir35, uh Fly Simware has released a standalone updater for the Learjet 3.5 that's available on the Fly Simware website. Yes, yes, so that's pretty freaking sweet. Hey, the guy's still cooking with it. I mean, even though there's like a bunch of Lance Hairs, A2A is about to drop a Lance Air, yes. Fly Simware is about to drop a Lance Air, yes. So he's cooking on that, but he's still simmering on the Learjet as well. So those of you looking for a Learjet, freaking phenomenal. If you guys want something a little smaller, a little sportier, Lance Hair is on his way from Fly Somewhere as well as ATA. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It looks like the A340 has native GSX style. You probably update GSX. I remember to do that, but um I do like that for the most part. Thank you, Umberto and team. Um these things are becoming natively, not natively, obviously, there's work behind the scenes, but day one a necessity almost. Like it just although I don't know what happened with that 737900. It took a while to get that GSX. Uh actually, it was just mostly the passenger.

SPEAKER_00

Them and Wayne Wing as well, man. Took freaking decades. I was like, and then like they posted about it. Like, we're super excited for the 737-9. Come on, you ain't got day one. What are we doing, Win Wings? What are we doing? Like, how y'all gonna post about it and then not even update the nonsense? Freaking day one, come on, man. Y'all didn't get a copy or are y'all waiting like us? Or like are y'all waiting a cop like us? Like, we're just trying to figure it out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, speaking of, do they have we gotta see? Are you able to use their CDU with the AnyBuilds A340?

SPEAKER_00

Another situation of they posted about it. Whether or not the compatibility is there, no idea.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry, not any builds, Aerosov.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Okay, gotcha. No idea, no idea. Yeah, they posted about it. They're like, oh, we're super excited for the Airbus A3. I'm sure there's an update I gotta run to see that. Yeah, yeah, just be careful because it may break something else. Yeah, that's the problem, bro. I updated recently, man, and like mine 73-8 stopped working. Like, seriously, I work, yeah, man. I freaking I rolled that install back, bro.

SPEAKER_01

How did you roll it back? You just go and get the man.

SPEAKER_00

I had to have to catch you on the back end, fam. It's just yeah, yeah, you gotta do something. Yeah, you gotta, yeah.

Flight Sim Expo And Sign Off

SPEAKER_01

The woes of flight simming. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Woo! Yeah, but that's it for me, man. I, you know, as always, we are advocating for Flight Sim Expo. As we mentioned before, we are sponsors again this year, so super excited about that. Make sure you go and it's now ten dollars more, by the way, for those of you that did not purchase your tickets prior to last week, I believe, or two weeks ago almost now. But it's fine. I think still very affordable for what you are getting out of the experience and the ability.

SPEAKER_00

It's gonna be a blast, y'all. I can't wait to see you guys, man. Oh man, it's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, awesome. So come out to sunny Minneapolis, Minne Minneapolis, Minnesota, and spend some time with us and the CTP crew, it'll be fun.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Sweet, man. Any any any parting thoughts for the people?

SPEAKER_01

Nah, man, keep the blue side up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, man. As always, guys, thank you. You guys, please be safe out there, take care of each other, love on each other.

SPEAKER_01

And saying means a lot more now to me, though. Keep the blue side up. I just thought about this. The blue side is not up.

SPEAKER_00

It's not up. Oh yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_01

That just dawned on me. Yes, man. It means even more to me now when I tell you guys, keep the blue side up.

SPEAKER_00

Please keep the blue side up, man. We need no more Blanco videos. All right, man. Oh man.