Closed Traffic Podcast
Average aviation enthusiast covering all things aviation and flight simulation.Hosted by Johnny Green Michael Salmon and Charlie Roper
Closed Traffic Podcast
Charlie Won’t Make Payroll And Somehow That’s Immersive
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We talk with Jet Card founder Sean Doyle about building a business aviation companion app that gives every flight a reason, from AI-generated charter backstories to a full operator ecosystem. We also get honest about integrations, developer expectations, pricing pressure, and what it takes to keep immersion fun without turning it into a second job.
• Sean’s flight sim background from early Microsoft Flight Simulator to VATSIM
• The problem Jet Card solves for business jet flying in MSFS and X-Plane 12
• Procedurally generated charter demand paired with AI narratives and deadlines
• Company ownership, pilot hiring, and running a virtual operator economy
• Real-world business aviation flavor through FBO calls, fueling, and coordination
• Contrail Falcon 50 integration and why in-sim triggers are a big deal
• Launch growth, server scaling, and filtering community feedback into priorities
• Pricing, value, and why “roadmap expectations” can distort add-on development
• The Operators update with brand-forward pages and specialty missions like med flights
• Jet Card Live plans for AI voice interactions plus optional subscription costs
• Rapid-fire favorites, underrated airports, and the Gulfstream licensing reality
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Welcome Aboard And Summer Heat
SPEAKER_02Welcome to the Class Traffic Podcast and the Flight Simulation Show.
SPEAKER_04Welcome aboard.
SPEAKER_02Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Closed Traffic Podcast. Your flight sim in all things aviation related show. We've got a really, really great guest today. But before I go ahead and get started, Charlie, you look like you're in a dark room, man. There you go.
SPEAKER_04Oh my gosh. That was hilarious.
SPEAKER_02Charlie looked like we'll we'll eventually upload this, I think, at some point. But Charlie looked like he was backstage at like uh a TV show appearance.
SPEAKER_03I stay in here and then boom, the big reveal. You found me. That was hilarious. Charlie, man, what's up, man? Say what's up today. Oh man, not much, bro. Just hotter in Hades around here.
SPEAKER_02I heard the same when I'm meeting with someone this morning from work that was in your area, and they're like, Man, I it's so humid. I walk outside and my shirt is no longer wrinkled, like it's that bad already in early July.
SPEAKER_03It's this is kind of premature, honestly, but I don't remember it being like 102 in June.
SPEAKER_02They were going through it, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Like you let the dogs out and they're like, you know, even the dogs are like, nah, I'm not going out there. I'm staying air conditioning.
SPEAKER_02I hear you, man. Johnny, what's going on, my friend? Uh, I know you also get uh this wonderful weather from time to time as well. How's it looking in Texas?
SPEAKER_00Hello, people. Uh oh, yeah, by the way, the air conditioning is looking for air conditioning, so that's how bad it is right now. So hope all is well, everyone.
SPEAKER_02Well, um, I'm glad to be up near the ocean in sunny California. Uh good luck to you guys. No, I'm joking.
Meet Sean And His Sim Roots
SPEAKER_02Oh man, without further ado, like I mentioned, we've got a wonderful show today. The founder of Jeff Car, Mr. Sean himself joins the Close Traffic Podcast. Sean, hello, welcome. Say hello to the people.
SPEAKER_01Hey, thank you guys for having me. I I greatly appreciate it. It is uh 90 here in Boston, which is not not that weird for Boston this time of year, but it's gonna be 100 on Saturday, I think. Oh that would be we're all getting it here, we're all getting it. We're all getting it air conditioning, it needs air conditioning.
SPEAKER_02Man, I was just in Boston last week. It was very nice weather, so I guess I got out of there just in time.
SPEAKER_01Didn't hit me up, didn't call me.
SPEAKER_02Man, I I didn't realize, you know, I'm just gonna see how you see how my new people, Sean. You know, I get in and out of these cities like next time, next time. Promise, promise. Oh man, too cool. So listen, you know, we've got Sean here, obviously, for the the the reason that is the the the creation of a lot of the buzz, especially in the business world uh in flight simulation today in the last couple of months. Sean, you want to just take the audience through who you are, you know, how Jetcard came to be, and then we'll get into some other details as well.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we only have an hour, but uh yeah. So my name is Sean Doyle. I am the uh I'm the founder of Jet Card. I have been in flight simulation. Well, let's say it's multi-phase. We'll say it's multi-phase. You know, when I was a kid, my mom had a computer science degree like very early. Like we had a home PC. You know, I'm only 34, but you know, not a lot of my friends at you know, five, six, seven, eight had home computers, you know, back there in the mid-90s, right? Like computers were just totally popular. That's true. Super expensive, yeah, very expensive. Yeah. I'll never forget actually, my first computer, we had a hard drive that was like all my parents' financial stuff, you know, old school Microsoft Word. And I had a hard drive that key to like unlock it. So we had to like unlock the hard drive, pull it out, and then put in the hard drive that had my my Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 copy on it. When I was like, you know, like when I was like eight or nine years old, you know. So flight simulation, you know, simming has always had like a very special place in my heart. I used to mess around with it as you know, a kid, you know, literally a kid, no clue, no clue what the heck I was doing, who who would have, right? And and we all remember Microsoft 2000, I'm sure, just just wasn't there that we have now. We can talk about how far we've come. Um, and then as I got older, I I met, you know, girls and I played baseball and um went to college. You know, ironically, you know, it's funny, we'll talk about we can talk about some of the other stuff I do within this community, but a lot of my friends are real-world pilots and air traffic controllers, um, you know, through my experience and stuff with the VATSM network and things like that. One of the only guys in that friend group that never went the career pilot side. We didn't have, we just didn't have the money growing up really to you know be able to afford flight training when I was, you know, 16, 17, 18 years old, older, etc. Yeah. So, you know, always been into flight simming. You know, when I went to college, I came back out of college, I was working full time. It's like, what do I do with all this free time? You know, my buddies are working, I'm working, you know, and I I picked it back up, you know, in 2014, 2015. It was like, man, I forgot how cool this was. You know, so 11 years ago, you know, just messing around with I I mean, P3, it was FSX, right? And it's sort of like the transition to the P3D era of flight setting. And you know, I just started messing around with it again, you know, and then it was like magically, magically like I was like, oh wait, you can buy like add-on scenery and aircraft for this thing, like it makes it look a little more realistic. Like, that's cool. And and you know, picked up like the Wilco 175 and like graduated to the forgot about that one. Yeah, oh yeah, 25. We used to have airplanes in the sim. We did, man. You know, and graduated to the the Airsoft Airbus and like wow, and eventually kind of like you know, got into VAT sim. I'll never forget the first time I keyed that mic on VAT sim, uh terrified. Like, yeah, never had never spoken a word of ATC in my life, you know, and you know, graduated into controlling on Vat Sim all the way through C1. And
VATSIM Lessons And BizAv Pull
SPEAKER_01and so for the last 10 years, you know, I don't control so much anymore. I really like the pilot side, but you know, I've been involved in from Boston. I'm very well involved with the Boston virtual ARTCC. As a you know, previously as a controller, I keep I keep current there, but I wouldn't say I control much, but really I love the flying. Yeah, yeah. I really love the flying. So, you know, all the way through I work on the Flights and Expo team. I mean, we kind of you guys, you we were talking about before the show, you know, Evan and Phil are longtime friends, they're BBA guys in the in a previous life. Evan's still part of BBA. And uh I got into that. I was doing sort of like sales and business development. So what I do in my real world job before I had this job. And uh, you know, so I was helping with sales, business development, trying to get you know exhibitors to come to the show and things like that. And even now I've kind of taken a backseat to that a little bit, more so just sort of like a weekend warrior, I would say, with them to kind of help them out. But I mean, listen, this this community of flight simulation has been near and dear to my heart since I was a kid. You know, I mean it was instilled in me as a kid, and I'm really it's this this whole jet card thing, we can get into what that is, has been uh has been just crazy. I just I I I had no idea it would be this popular, and uh shame on me for not thinking that, but uh, I've been truly honored, I've been truly honored at how popular it's been over the last uh couple of months.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's been fantastic. We'll get into those details in a second, but uh that's awesome to know, man. I did not realize that you had such a uh in-depth history into you know the flights and world. It's uh it's large but small at the same time, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know, it's uh it's uh it's it's interesting in that way. And I can relate to a lot of the same sentiments you had about getting into flying and stopping, picking other things up and then getting back into it because you realize that man, this thing is really cool. And then yes, the I'll never forget being yelled at, my first flight on Vatsim by Kennedy. I won't tell you his name, but uh haunts me. I definitely do. Um it's uh it's it's one of those things, but you know, we talk about it all the time on the show and with real world aviators as well, how that has allowed you to become so much better if you are going out and pursuing you know your ticket and your certifications and whatnot. So it's really cool that you know you've you've got that experience, and I'm sure a lot of that helped create and build a foundation for what is Jeff Card and today and all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean a lot of a lot of my you know, we'll talk about the we can we can get into the program, you know. A lot of my friends, you know, most of them now are 121 flyers, you know, Jet Blue and Delta and Southwest and and uh United and take your pick. And but you know, some of them came up, you know, ironically, through the 91, 91k, 135 kind of private jet, you know, operator type stuff. And uh, you know, where my experience is not really in aviation, it's something that I have a huge depth about, you have a huge knowledge about. Um, you know, I think one thing that's really cool about jet card that you won't see with other, you know, apps that have been developed or airplanes that have been developed, like, you know, they have their sources for different information, but you know, the development of jet card was sort of gut checked all along the way against people, you know. I I think you guys you guys know Blue probably and his element and Brian L. But like we had we had consultants that are like, hey man, this is how it works in this world. I love that you're trying to solve this problem for us. Let me help you. And uh so the development of that was heavily, heavily influenced by people who they have challenger type ratings and they have, you know, they have G-Lex type ratings, or you know, they they work as a a charter coordinator at uh small charter companies, things like that. Like we had the expertise along the way to kind of make sure that it had the right depth that we did it the right way.
SPEAKER_02Oh man, that's awesome. So so pivoting and and and going back to like the 30,000-foot level for a second, for those that were or are under a rock the last couple of months here. Explain to the audience, yeah. No, I'm joking. They know, they know we're joking. I know.
SPEAKER_01Explain to the I'm from Boston. I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a joke spirit. We we got thick skin. I love it.
SPEAKER_02I love it. Explain to the people what Jack Card is for again for those that are not familiar.
What Jet Card Actually Is
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so it's a companion app for Microsoft Flight Simulator and X Plane 12. I'm very careful to put the note the asterisks there that it really we tried to do some functionality with X Plane 11 and and it just it just it required too many plugins and too many add-on things. So X-Plane has done a phenomenal job with the you know, like much in the way that Microsoft has simconnect for a lot of things. Okay, X-Plane kind of developed their own back-end system for kind of like talking to the sim and tracking within the sim. So we decided really early to make that pivot. It's entirely centric on business aviation, right? We can talk about the origin if you guys want. You know, a couple of friends and I we're just looking for a reason to fly business jets, you know. I just so many times we were just like, where do you guys want to fly tonight? You know, group flight or otherwise, or I'm sitting at home and I want to do some work, and it's like, where do I fly tonight? And it's like, you know, I haven't flown the citation 10 in a while, or you know, uh, you know, I I have this Honda jet that's sitting in the hangar, it's just not getting used. And and I have a friend John who just like all he was flight simmer for like like 10 years, another BBA guy. He dropped off for like seven or eight years, came back, and all he wanted to do is fly business jets. And he just had no idea where to fly, no idea where to fly, no idea where to fly. And so you know what Jet Card is is that solution for business aviation flying, right? Nobody needs a reason to fly from Boston to Chicago because United does it and American does it and Delta does it, and you know, or same thing in the UK with your easy jets and Ryanairs. What I what I saw was an opportunity to kind of solve the problem that like nothing in flight simulation really you know answers the why would I fly the Hotstar Challenger 650 today? Or or why would I fly the Honda Jet or the Citation 10? And I could kind of feel this like shift in the market where like there's suddenly a lot of development for you know business jets. You know, this was Falcon 50 was announced, the Sovereign 680 was six uh was announced, and you know, so what the program is from a 30,000-foot level is an ecosystem, you know, uh it's it's connected. I think people don't, I think people start looking through the website and there's maybe this this gap in terms of how connected check card is. 15,000 flights sit on a charter board. It is all sort of virtual customers who are at airport A and they need to get to airport B. And it's all sort of procedurally generated, sort of like charter demand, you know, and certain airports have higher demand than other airports. And and you know, I think the beauty of Jetcard is not just like, oh, okay, I can look at a list of flights and say, oh, I'm gonna fly from Bedford Mass to Palm Beach today. Yeah, okay, that might interest somebody, right? They might be like, oh, well, now I know where I'm gonna go. My plane's at Bedford, and I can go to Palm Beach, or I can go to Tulsa, or I can go to Telluride,
Charter Board Stories Powered By AI
SPEAKER_01right? Yeah, all right, we solved that problem. But I think where the beauty is in Jetcard is, you know, we we used AI to kind of generate narratives and backstories on why that trip is on the board. You know, and so as you scroll through 15,000 flights, or we have the ability to make companies within Jetcard that you can either own or people can fly for. You know, you're not just it's not just okay, I'm gonna fly from Bedford to Palm Beach today. It is John Smith, who is the CEO of this venture capital company, has a meeting in Palm Beach today, and he's got to be there by six o'clock. You're flying him down there and whatever you got. And so, like, it's immersive, right? You know, we have to walk the sim things, you have to walk the line on realism, right? There has to be some give in the realism. I like to sell that Jet Card is very immersive in terms of like you're you're picking flights, somebody has to go to Palm Beach. Here's the reason why. And and you kind of get this sense, uh, you know, even from the earlier, the earliest alpha versions we had, you get this sense of like, all right, uh, that's why I want to fly to Palm Beach today, you know. And you know, I I think we've solved something that doesn't exist in flight simulation before. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna stand here and say, like, I'm not gonna beat my chest to say we're the first, but like I I just as I watched the Katie Pilot episode, right? And I watched your not mad episode, both friends of mine, right? And both of them are like looking at the sim and they're being like, I have these frustrations with the sim. I don't I can't do this thing I want to do, and I want to solve it. That same boom, same mo for Jet Car. I was like, I just I want to find a palm beach, but like why? Why uh and I think we've solved that. I think we I think we've solved that. And it as you guys have kind of teed it up. I mean, we hit 2,000 users in the first two and a half weeks, and uh, I thought I was gonna maybe sell 500 copies this year. My intent was never actually to turn this into something I was, you know, was my intent was like, hey, I did this cool thing that solved this problem for my friends, yeah. Maybe somebody else wants to use it too. Gotcha. And and it just took off. Yeah, we're I think I haven't checked, but I think we're probably pretty close to 3200 users, and uh we're coming up on our two-month anniversary next week.
SPEAKER_02That's crazy. I don't know anything in this industry that has had that sort of growth, like maybe copies of highly anticipated aircrafts, maybe that much. An add-on platform like this that quickly.
SPEAKER_01I think Orbicx moved in Atlanta, like the Atlanta scenery probably moved that kind of copies in a week. I mean, in the in the problem, probably that. But for uh waiting for Atlanta for a long time, yeah, yeah. Haven't we? But for an add-on, you know, for an add-on that's just a companion app thing. Yeah, that's nuts. I'm I'm very, I'm very thrilled.
SPEAKER_00So no, I mean, I totally think that's like the canary in the coal mine of the desk, the uh desert of you know, lack of immersion that you know the community has been yearning for because I I think that's a lot of the reason why you know some users just get bored with the platform because there's there's no purpose, there's no drive. I think a lot of I think a lot of it for me, fortunately, I had the opportunity uh the C500 type rating, you know, doing some of those charter operations back in the day, and knowing that, yeah, a lot of those you you you're not going to like Chicago to JFK, you're going to Paducah, Kentucky to like Carlsbad, New Mexico for something random. Yeah, you know, and he didn't be flying in your day, huh? Exactly. He did. And you know, you could ask the guys. I'm typically that one simmer who, if you look on Vat Sim, the one aircraft going to Carlsbad, New Mexico. I'm that guy. Me too.
SPEAKER_02I obviously I've got him flagged on my map, and I'll pull up the sim
FBO Workflow And Flying With Purpose
SPEAKER_02to do a flight, and I'll see Johnny's name. I'm like, oh, I wonder where he's going today. What the hell is he doing? I didn't even know we had scenery over there.
SPEAKER_00I think when I when I I mean, I think Charlie first brought up Jetcart, and I was like, let me check this out, and you know, really start to do some research and just to see what this platform was all about. Is just you know, another one of those styles and add-ons that we see. And one thing that really resonated to me was like I instantly got you know a flashback from like, wow, I remember having to keep up you know, keep this number in my for this FBO in my phone, you know, or trying to make these calls coordinates coordinating. Because when you don't want, you know, let me uh and that was like a really small operation, but um by the way, you know, absolutely, you know, you know, having to push the aircraft back yourself, you know. Stop the airplane, cable the airplane, yeah, clean the airplane, yeah, yeah you know, and for me that it just seems so much more rewarding when you finally you know arrived at your destination knowing that you had to coordinate it, coordinate all these different types of aspects to ensure a solid client experience because that's ultimately what it's all about. So when I loaded up your application and I saw that, oh wow, there's a story behind this, you know. Not not that you know you always know the background the background, right? But it's just cool to have a premise or context behind why you're going to where you're going. And oh, cool, here's here's this phone number, here's this phone number, you know. So, you know, Simmers can actually have the opportunity to participate in those steps and those procedures that you know pilots at that level take to ensure that you know awesome client experience from point to point B because you may or may not have a dispatch, you know, you might be the dispatcher, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01So you might be a team in operation.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. You know, um, so for me, I mean that was just like, okay, let me go ahead and sub and uh fire up CTPA uh CTP aviation, which Charlie is the CEO, and we're completely broke, Charlie CY bro.
SPEAKER_01Well, we can work together. Listen, guys, you you've seen my website. We do partnerships with people who have communities, you know. Let's see, community that's going.
SPEAKER_03If we did that, then these guys would never work.
SPEAKER_01Missed opportunity. You gotta be running the you gotta be running the company on the stream, Charlie.
SPEAKER_02Charlie, man, you gotta you gotta I that's a good point though, because Charlie did bring it to us and created our entire company. We've got a few jets. Charlie, like how did the idea come about for you to say, hey, I gotta go check this thing out, and then I gotta go tell Mike and Johnny. And then we by the way, we gotta create a CTP company. Like, right, how did that come about to you?
SPEAKER_03Just out of nowhere. For me, what turned me on was I do enjoy flying VAs, kind of like what we said, flying with a purpose. Yep, you know, and there was just there was one little VA I was in, I think it was called just Biz Jets. But it just remember that it just didn't just didn't have it. But then when I saw Jet Card and I saw, you know, you get you backstories, it's like, oh, I gotta call the FBO and say, hey, bring me some ice, you know, whatever it may be. You know, I just really enjoy that aspect. And, you know, being able to do that with the biz jets is what really turned. me on to it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think um I think I you know I'm very fortunate that I have a lot of friends that work in aviation right but I think the the boom we've seen in the flight sim market with the release of 2020 right like just put put a different level on the map the Xbox crowd and and then just just COVID in general right we saw this massive increase in in the user base for flight simulation you know those guys don't have access to six buddies who fly commercial airliners and and or had a you know my buddy Hayden had a career like Johnny worked for a small little outfit with a couple airplanes out of Lexington Kentucky and and and like like was like oh my god like wow you just flashed me back to you know whatever so I felt it important that as part of this development process to bring that level not to educate like not to force feed education down somebody's throat but to bring a level of like hey by the way like this is what real people in this industry have to do. The guy from Flexjet has got to call a half hour out and get the car ready and make sure that it's there and that they're gonna be able to put the plane in the hangar overnight and give it a clean and get the lab service done you know it's a different level and I think people don't even realize that even at the 121 you know commercial pilot level those guys have a lot of stuff they've got to do while they might not be client facing in terms of scheduling with dispatch and and calling operations and doing all their ACARS messaging yes just to give that that immersive feel you know I think is huge. And by the way while we were just chatting I did pull up your your career profile because I can see nobody we broke okay I can't show I mean we won't be no kidding uh but you guys got five weeks to run away that's better than most companies so you guys are doing you guys are very you guys are very monesting we're running on here how much money taking up so nobody's getting checking weeks yeah that's it they don't get no per dum no nothing when I landed the other day I did notice Charlie's pretty skimpy on the pay so another there they keep making me buy these airplanes so it's either they get mine or they be in chat hey guys about the tape before you get played somebody's been putting some work in on this phenom though 21 hours in the time that we've been allotted a phenom between the two of these guys I'm trying to get the falcon back from I think it was in Paris somewhere over there Paris can we talk about that yeah it looks like it's in uh you got in Moncton now right yeah yep it's in Moncton now I got almost back to Dallas. We're almost there you guys want to talk about the Falcon
Aircraft Integrations That Change Everything
SPEAKER_01for a second? Yes absolutely man so here's where uh here's where I I think that like one thing I didn't expect with the development of check card right was you guys said it right you guys kind of saw it came across your wire Charlie sends it to a couple friends and uh all of a sudden it's like hey we gotta have this thing we got to try this thing and and that like I've been amazed by uh let me let me ask you guys a question how many aircraft add-on do you have in your hangar right now that has some integration with an add-on platform that is not GSX now I get to ask the questions and y'all stop you flipped the script on us gents quick by the way I'm gonna list some great products right like this is not me trying to compare to any other product no absolutely has grand ground handling type integrations that is not GSX or just generally speaking uh let me reframe the question how many add-ons in your hangar have an integration at any point that is specifically coded to work with another program that is meaning right like APL great real pilot's life right great program right but like nothing speaks directly to that right or I've got that too you know like even the even the trackers right like Valanta and Elevate X and whatever like they don't have any you know they just uh when the when when when my discord ping came through from you know contrail and the rest of the development team was like hey man we saw your stuff uh we love what you're doing we want to use you and partner with you I was like wow you know and I'm like okay well what's you know like you know this is this is not my full-time job guys right so what's that look like what do you think and they're like and and I won't say his name there's sort of a secret partnership behind the Contrail 15 secret development stuff but he's like hey I we we've been friends through expo for years like I've seen your product I've seen the J phone I've seen all the ground handling I've seen all that other stuff how do we work together and I was like wow that's you know by the way this is why I was thinking like maybe by Christmas 500 people think jet card is cool and they try it out I'm like I'm like watching my I'm watching my servers just like crash and then I'm like upgrading them crashing and upgrading like you know for just new big just go big and just headroom or we'll worry about the rest of it later. And I was like well I don't I don't know I haven't thought about that like I never thought about integrations of actually making this work within the aircraft and uh you know my route was always going to be like well maybe I'll go GSX I'll figure that out I started doing it it was it wasn't working and so like contrail you know came to me and said hey you know we want to be able to use your stuff in the program so like to have these integrations where you click on the fuel service in the phone and you call the FBO and to have it actually fuel the plane in the sim wow whole game changing earlier on game changing yeah there's not another application on the market that like has those streamlined like developers are spending code time to make it work with their airplane and we're not done with the Falcon 50 just so you know and I I think that's like an awesome like right what is what is something I'll spend time on is that immersion piece right like it's one thing to have to call the FBO and say hey can you send the fuel truck we need to top off it is another thing to call the FBO the FBO responds and then in the sim the fuel truck pulls out the fuel truck game changing game changing so so cool. I'm so grateful for Contrail for being the first person to think of that and and I can't take credit for the idea it was their idea like they reached out to me and and since then ironically a lot of other developers have reached out to me to be like hey how do we you know how do we do similar type things the challenge being is they all want to do it like a little bit of a different way a little different which is why that integration with some other things you've seen come out like the phenom and the the the sovereign and and and stuff has has taken some time um but I'm in contact with all of them in terms of trying to make sure that we can get some of these check card things firing in the sim for people just give it that just give it that extra level.
SPEAKER_00That's awesome. Okay because that's just you know just to kind of I guess continue with the Falcon as well and I I've noticed that developer is very forward thinking I like I love the way he's been moving so far. I mean just you know he's done he's doing things that no one's really done in the sim such as like the whole pushback functionality that you see there. I had to keep that secret for like two months in the brutal you know and so I mean I'm I'm definitely definitely looking forward to it and you know as you've mentioned it's cool to see that you know other developers are seeing that and they're like hey you know let's see if we can make something work you know especially with these business aircraft because I mean to me I think that integration just completely ties the experience in.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely yeah absolutely and their whole pitch right like you said Johnny right like you had to go and clean the plane you had to prep the plane you had to cater the plane you had to fuel the plane you know I mean so like they they already are coding you know uh they're already coding and creating these moments because they know that that's how it kind of works in BizApp right in which you can fuel the sovereign on your own by going and opening the fuel panel connecting the pump turning it on and tracking the gallons you know I mean and so like that that's already there. They just need to kind of tie the the timing of that to something that we trigger from our side on the application and it it's you know it's it's been such an easy integration for both me and I think some of these aircraft developers but you know I love the way I love this I didn't I want to be I want to be kind of make sure I'm humble about how I say this I did not expect the love for jet card that we got and then to take it to like another level like I feel so like I don't even know how to say like it's just like an amazing thing that these guys are like hey you solve a problem that like when we started development we didn't know how to solve right like okay why why would somebody buy the Falcon 50 if they were like I don't know I've now they can do it and they can and then now they they have a reason to fly it and it works with the application and you can buy it on the same store you know I mean and so like you know it's it's the feedback from the feedback from the community has been great the feedback from the developers it was not something I ever imagined or ever envisioned because we we need each other right we we it's it's a it is a rare situation I think that we we never see this in our industry where it's truly mutually beneficial right like somebody developing the same A320 for the 15th time like or 380 or the yeah now we have 380s right all right all right I love Philippe by the way anybody who gives their product away for free like you're gonna get 20 points in my book but um um yeah you know I mean like we need each other like I need the planes because if there's no planes people aren't gonna want to use my application not that I'm not that I'm trying to change careers off this app or anything like that. Like if it never sold another copy you know we've got great runway as long as people enjoying the product I'm happy as long as people aren't happy with the product I'm happy you know this is not my full-time job but having them and and them having me and and making these integrations and and having our our our our programs and our planes kind of work together I could have never envisioned that when I sat down to start making this program. And I love I love that thing that it's made for this community. It's it's why you know I I think I teased before the show like I would have come and seen you on Saturday but Flight Effects and I had a two hour conversation about you know hey yeah well how do we how do we partner together? There's got to be a way and you know I I love that I I love what that's done for kind of you know this community.
Scaling Pains And Community Expectations
SPEAKER_02Speaking of integration man so you again you built this this platform that's essentially its own like ecosystem its own economy charter marketplace aircraft ownership yeah company management with bosses like Charlie who doesn't want to pay us like what was 30% above the norm buddy what was the hardest part like from an integration standpoint development coding whatever you want to classify it as what was the hardest part to actually get right I know you've had a team of of people to reach out to of resources to sort of you know rely on to help you craft that but what was the hardest part of it all where do I stop no you know like very yes and no you know again I I think like if I if I could frame my perspective when I sat down and started making this program like I if it was just me and 15 of my buddies and and we just were just generating trips off the off the bo off the trip generator and making these cool backstories and that's all it ever was I'd be just as happy to sit here and talk about it today as I am now.
SPEAKER_01You know I think I think as developers I think as developers it it is hard to figure out that line between all right I'm asking you to pay for a product and what is fair and reasonable value for that product. Now the funny thing was you know like the the first version one release of Jetcard and the version that you're gonna get in a couple weeks here with the operators update is indistinguishable from each other. Which is funny to me because the first version that like my alpha team had or like blue games was like I got him involved early to kind of get his feedback. Like we talked he and I talked at Expo and he was like man like I log into jet card now and it looks nothing like that first build you gave me and I think that's great. You know and that wasn't it's not a very long it's not not been a very long time frame for that kind of development. So yeah listen I think the biggest challenge for me was like especially where you know especially where I'm not a developer I'm you know I'm not a web developer, an app developer. I'm not in web or software development in my real life. And so you know I had help I had resources I had people helping me I had people steering me and then I also had AI to help like I'll I've never steered away that some of these things would not be possible without AI coded assistance stuff responsibly I would add to that right is like you can't just take whatever you know so it was a combination of all these resources and all these people and all these people helping me that got me to where we are today. And so like there was always this there's always this concern of mine like okay I'm asking somebody give me $20 for it have I given them the value for it yeah and um and and I think that was really the hardest part. And then now ironically I look and I go God I should have charged everybody double you know and that's that's that's not to be that's not to be greedy or try to make money off the application because it's never been my intent. I've it's always been a project of love for me. But we've added a lot of great stuff that has also added a lot of costs. A lot of value for sure I was gonna say yeah I mean yeah and and I I love that piece of it because I didn't charge you a subscription you know I I could have most applications built on this stack would be up you know would be subscription you know and so I feel you know it was kind of hard to figure out like what's the line of value that I've given you for 20 bucks and and I you know we've definitely gone past that comfortably in my mind that I sleep easy and I was saying that I think I've given you a product that's that's that's good. And so you know I think the biggest challenge Mike just to kind of put a bow on it is just like the second this gets into somebody's hands the and and granted remember I didn't think I would have so many hands and and all of a sudden it is amazing how this community comes from everywhere with ideas and thoughts and expectations and you know more more more more more more more and you're trying to kind of wade through okay what is a good suggestion versus what is like a nice to have versus like this person just wants it to work in this way for them. But is that for the benefit of the everybody who uses the application so you know that that beta test period to the first two weeks of release like I didn't sleep. I was thinking about things in my head I was thinking about features I'm like stressed out I'm like oh my God I thought I'd have this many people in five years maybe and I have this people this many people in a week and now I'm like is it I'm I was like waking up like is it broken or the servers are all right I'm like did we run out of headroom like do we have enough process do we have enough uh compute power and you know so like that six week period I would say seven week period where we did like a really deep beta and then sort of the two week release period that was really really hard you know because it's not something I had been through before because my normal day job is not software development.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha. Man I think you you hit on a lot of similarities that we we've had conversations with on you know all the developers that have been on this show is really trying to balance the inception of the project and what you were trying to accomplish with it product whatever and how do you then take that evolve it tweak it not to satisfy an individual or a person or just a small group but rather what's best for the the greater good and you know to your point you know our our day jobs are very similar in that I've got to cater to almost the same thing right you know I'm in product management where we've got you know vendors and customers and everybody has a say so or wants a say so and how certain things should look and evolve and feel and it's really like trying to weigh through all of the noise and and and figure out fundamentally like what is best for the product and always going back to the principle and grounding yourself in you know foundationally what you were creating and what you were trying to accomplish to begin with. So I definitely uh see where you're coming from in that regard and it's funny like how similar this industry is to many of the other other industries and and and whatnot that I have the pleasure quote unquote of of working in.
SPEAKER_01You know it's something I it's something that I realized or or was aware of like it was sort of just all around me. Yeah but I never really really
Pricing, Value, And The Roadmap Trap
SPEAKER_01understood it until I was on the other side of the table. You know it is it is interesting to me that the flight sim community like something gets released and it gets released at $30. The developer has assessed like what they've put together as sort of a fixed price and they've sort of given it to you. And I think what I I wasn't ready for is in the flight sim community there is this expectation that when something releases to you at $30 that there's also like a roadmap of a bunch of different things that are coming afterwards for the $30 that you paid for. Yep. And I I I my entire like flight sim career I've like paid for $80 airplanes and I've paid for $30 airplanes and some airplanes were worth the $80 and some airplanes were not worth the bucks. Some $30 airplanes were worth $80 and some $80 airplanes were worth you know and you know it's amazing to me I think I was not prepared for that like more more more more more mentality like what's your roadmap like I did have a roadmap of things I wanted to add to the program yeah but then you know 250 other ideas kind of were born out of that and I'm grateful for it like 25 or 30 of those we've implemented that were great ideas for the program that I think is great. You know but it is it is interesting to me I think you touched on it Mike is like this this idea of like well how far like you're gonna develop this for like the next two years right and kind of improve it and give us more stuff and get and it it's like maybe maybe you know if it's a good idea maybe but like no that was that wasn't that it was wasn't the plan. And so that's a hard balance to strike you know as somebody who's just gotten into this I I hate that I I hate calling myself a developer but here we are uh you know somebody's gotten into developing some fight some add-ons you know that was the challenge I wasn't ready for.
SPEAKER_00Oh absolutely no I think it's I think it's interesting too especially you know being now that you've you know had the pleasure of being on both sides of the coin right and you know seeing what happens behind the scenes and you know that when you know as we you know now when we're younger of course you know it's hard to really quantify the value of time and I think the older I've gotten the more value I put on my time and I think as simmers sometimes we we tend to forget that and you know hey you know I picked up this item for you know uh 20 bucks for example and mind you you know it took however long it took to develop said product or widget or whatever for 20 bucks and that time is was allotted for in in the price well fast forward you know hey where's your roadmap where's this where's that well you know in order to implement said roadmap you know requires a certain amount of dev hours which those hours equate to time which you know money and where does that come from you know so um I found myself you know as you know being in the industry for you know heck over over 20 years now you know I was that kid you know hey I saved up my allowance I went and picked up this aircraft where we get the next update you know where we get the next update and being surprised but wait a minute y'all are charging an extra whatever you know and there's there's some developers I'm not gonna bring up no names but if y'all go back and show I brought the names up the past where you know it's like wow we're talking like three digits and I'm like a six year old kid and we ain't got those kind of ends. So but you know being of age now you know you totally you totally understand that you know hey time literally though as the old adage goes time is money and I mean you know you just have to you know you just have to play you know You have to pay to play in this hobby of ours because you know we have to be mindful of the developer's time and you know they have to you know feed their families, etc. etc.
SPEAKER_01So I think can like conversely, too, like on the flip side, we have never had such detailed, high fidelity, such feature-rich add-ons as we do now. I mean, the phenom for 30 bucks and it's got a whole passenger or what system or whatever. That wouldn't have been granted they're picky, but this got it. Yeah, well, we could guys remember 10 years ago, like it that would have cost you 90 bucks. Oh, yeah, 100. Things have never been cheaper and they've never had more features in them. Yeah, and I I think I think we've all I think I kind of did the same thing. I think we all I think we've all kind of committed to the the volume model of like it is it's really cool to see it's really cool to see like where your price point is where somebody decides like I'll take a trend chance on that and maybe not like it versus like you know what for f I I guarantee you could probably oh excuse me, you could probably cut my user base in half if it was forty dollars, you know what I mean? Because those people saw for 20 bucks and said, you know what, I'm gonna take a chance on this for 20 bucks, even if even if it's not their thing, right? And so it's a great time to be in flight simming.
SPEAKER_00Oh man, yeah, and I have and I have to say it, you know, as much as I give my friends Microsoft Grieves, shout out to Microsoft, because to me, I think with the infusion of you know the console user base, that just busted the market wide open for developers to you know allow those price points to be meaningful, you know, as it relates to their you know, to their overall pricing strategy. I was in a Discord conversation with a developer over on the X Plane side, and I mean he I don't think I could have said it any better, but essentially, you know, you're dealing with a smaller user user base with our friends over there X Plane over on the X Plane side, and those prices kind of reflect that for some of those high fidelity add-ons. So you're kind of in a conundrum as a developer, you either you know put in less dev time for a lower fidelity product, you know, or put in more dev time for a higher fidelity product, but have that higher price point along with it. It's kind of a line. Exactly. It's just it's just really tough to get all that line sure.
SPEAKER_02Now you guys you spotted Josh man, I remember it. I'm not picking on them, but it was just the time. FS Labs, that A320 product when it first came out for FSX and I think P320 bucks for one aircraft. Like we've really come a very long way. And unfortunately, a lot of people were that are in industry now weren't in the industry then, and they don't realize they don't have that background and that context. And you know, that's why it's it's a lot of like, oh man, really? All this money. We also have a lot of freeware developers that are creating really great aircraft like the fly by wire folks. So then you know, they do that and compare it to, well, I'm getting this light for like almost like for like version of this aircraft for free. Why can't you do it for free? And there just isn't a realization that you know, not everyone has time, free time to dedicate to a product without being compensated for such. And it's kind of just where we are. And I and again, I don't think it's just a flight team industry. I think it's just the the realities of the world we live in today with inflation where it is worldwide, quite frankly, and you know, you know, consumer sentiment and and and you know, share of wallet continuing to shrink. That's just where we are. But yeah. Not too I know we just got off of this subject and said, hey, you know, what what is the roadmap, right? But I think more particularly for you, Sean. Like sure, what concept of jet car today do you see evolving, you know, over like the next year or so? Not particularly like what is the blanking roadmap, just generally speaking, yeah.
Operators Update And Specialty Missions
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so we have a big update coming in a couple weeks. Uh it's done. I just I it's it's got some complexities in terms of like database updates and rights and stuff that I want to make sure it's polished. I could have probably released it before 4th of July, but I'm not gonna be here. So, like if if things break, you know, I'm not gonna fix it. That's just that's really bad.
SPEAKER_02Don't do it to yourself.
SPEAKER_01No, you know what? Like another week, let me put it through its paces again and and and we'll we'll drop it. So that's it.
SPEAKER_02Take it from somewhere in software development and and and it never release before holiday unless that's what you want to spend your holiday doing.
SPEAKER_01Fun fact, I was gonna wait for expo to release, but then I was like, well, I'm gonna be gone for the week. So, like, that's not a good idea, you know. So I actually kind of dropped some features that I wanted in the sort of base build that I were like, we don't need this for it to work. So I kind of dropped those and just kind of moved up my schedule a month. And I'm glad I did because it really helped me flush out like a lot of like those edge cases I couldn't get in beta. You know, when when you have a hundred people flying across you know, 30 companies versus 3,000 people flying across 500 companies, like things I couldn't have ever imagined popped up. So to kind of fix those was good. So some so the owner's operator, I'm sorry, the operators update is really, I mean, honestly, like I it's not my update, it's sort of the community's update. You know, people wanted more brand brand awareness. Um, they want to be able to get their brand out in front of potential pilots on the platform to come fly for their operators. So like the logos are kind of more in your face. There's an opportunity for you to kind of post like liveries and galleries, and sort of like the more you have, it's more like it's more forward-facing to a perspective. It's I've built it, I've built indeed within the you know, within the application. You know what I mean? People can't. Wow. Well, what I mean by that is like you know, like the content. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, instead of just like, oh, there's 500 companies, like which one do I want to fly for? Like now people can search for companies that have certain airlines. That's right. I'm sorry, or certain aircraft, right? Or or man, I love that logo and I love their operating bases, and they fly from my home airport. I want to work for that company. Right. That stuff was not kind of like easily found before. And so, you know, that that's including this update, sort of this this whole like brand forward thing for operators to be able to show off custom liveries, to be show off their logo, where they work, how they operate. I think the coolest feature in that is now people can do specialty operators. So we have a couple companies that want to do just med medical flights only. Oh, so now they can kind of yeah, yeah, really cool. So, like, so now you can just kind of restrict the jobs you take off the job board or the jobs that you generate trips for medical only. You know, and so you're you're hopping around from you know, from and and I added something like 800 hospitals worldwide to the database. So, like you'll see trips to like you know, Boston Medical Center, and you'll see trips to like children's hospital, Raleigh, and things like that.
SPEAKER_03Uh that's cool.
SPEAKER_01It it's it's more ownership over how the operator runs and how they project to when I say indeed, right? Like how it projects outward to prospective pilots, and that's coming in the next couple weeks. When that's done, I'll go back to developing check card live, which is going to be imagine a BATC or say intentions, but within the application itself.
Jet Card Live And Future Shared Worlds
SPEAKER_01Yep. So instead of instead of calling the FBO and you're clicking through voice prompts and you're just getting a recorded you know line back, uh, you'll pick up and there'll there'll be an AI agent that you can actually have a conversation with that'll be awesome to wear and whatever. You know, so and including random phone calls as well. Like when Charlie is scrolling through the charter board, can't figure out where the heck he wants to go from month and not paying us, like and not paying you and not making payroll. Uh give it up, you're gonna get fired. Hold on, and up in the new update, you'll have to give a reason, so that's good. Oh you know what's funny? Actually, I added the email app will work, and you'll actually get an email from HR that says you've been turning off no way. Oh my god, the corporate my corporate life is coming in very quickly. Um yeah, so Jetcard Live. So, like you'll be able to have voice conversations using your headset, your microphone, whatever. You'll call the dispatcher, call your call your first officer and ask them to do certain things. You'll get responses from you know, from a person, you know, on the other side to kind of just give it again, it's that immersion. It's kind of like what's that level of depth? I don't foresee that being a super popular feature. I I I am in contact with the big two sort of like AI ATC people where like it might be like a light version from me that you can do that. And then, like, if you're already a customer of say intentions or beyond ATC or whatever, maybe you throw in your API key and you can use your subscription there so you don't have to add it on. That will be the only part of the program that is subscription, just because those AI costs, you know, I can't.
SPEAKER_00Oh, they have the cost, for sure.
SPEAKER_01Which I think is incredibly fair, right? Like 20 bucks, here's the app. You've got a ton of stuff there for 20 bucks, and then if you want that next level, now you're making the decision, you know. So that's that's sort of coming. Those are really I would, you know, just honestly, I think those are the last two kind of big planned features for Jet Card at that $20 level. Some people have asked me to do more of like a hardcore world type of mode where fuel pricing is more live, FBO fees are more live, there's there's a deeper maintenance option in terms of like downtime with aircraft and stuff like that. That interests me. It does. It was never the intent for the program. I think that that would maybe be some kind of like V2 thing later on.
SPEAKER_00For sure.
SPEAKER_01But I'll give you a teaser because you guys were nice enough to invite me on the show. How's that? Love it. After those two kind of uh big features, you know, that does not mean jet card development is dead. I'll still continue to do kind of small things or some enhancements or whatever. I have at least two other applications planned that work on sort of the same backbone of Jet Card. And look at you all three of you are like, wow. Really? Huh? Yeah. And my hope, my not my hope, my intent for those is they would all have an interconnected shared piece to it. So I'm not gonna go into the details. I'm not gonna blow up my own announcement, but imagine imagine you log into a splash screen and you can pick which of the three worlds you want to play with that day with the same account that you have for Jet Card, all your financials and all that are shared across all three platforms, and you no longer have to decide like Charlie no longer has to decide like I have to fly jet card today, or I'm not gonna be able to make my lease payments.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, that's a real problem. We gotta move that Falcon to nut, as a matter of fact.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna be flying during the World Cup game, Charlie. So maybe I'll join you with Lucas button. Um you know, it's funny actually, like I didn't expect so many people to jump into aircraft ownership or trying to own air because like it's like hey, this is expensive. Like you're gonna fly and then pay this off every single person. The first thing they do, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's great. Like, I'd be like, I ain't never gonna own a jet, but like you kind of do get a snapshot of like, golly, yes, and this four-hour trip to make payroll for a couple of weeks, you know. Like the blowing me up. It's it's crazy.
SPEAKER_02Like crazy when you see the red when you're doing ferry flights because like you had no customers and you just I won't do one. Well, I had to, I had to move. I had to move our what was it, the the sovereign from Denver to freaking T to borrow. Yeah, and we were in the hole for that one for a couple thousand, man. It was not cool. No, no, but like that's why I have a solution for you.
SPEAKER_01I have a solution for you in which it will not remove your need to fly within the jet card ecosystem, but it will not necessarily have to always be private jet flying in order to make money within our ecosystem. So my plan is to kind of get those two features done. And then I have a couple other applications that I want to do sort of next. They run on the same stack. So, and a lot of things, to be honest with you, a lot of things kind of copy over from JetCard the way the flight tracker works, and and some of those other things, some of those economy things, you know, work the same way as they do in JetCard. So it is like a logic recode to make some of those applications work more than a actual refactoring of actual code. The intent there is that, like I said, you log into a splash screen, and which of the three worlds do you want to play in today? Is it is it private jets? Maybe it's cargo, maybe it's passenger. I don't, you know, I don't know. We'll see, we'll see kind of how the roadmap kind of flushes out. But the idea being one account, one the idea being kind of one account, kind of shared across a bunch of different applications that you could use, and all your money and all that stuff is interconnected between the three.
SPEAKER_02Man, that's gonna be awesome. Man, that's just taking it to another level. And again, like as we started the show, and as you mentioned, really born out of there's this thing that I want to solve for me and my friends. And you know, lo and behold, it's a thing that everybody, a series of things actually, that everyone or a lot of people actually wish that we had. And and I love that the community continues to grow in this way and that we have the resources and the capabilities and you know, the crazy launches of biz jets within this time period to help facilitate that as well. It's a lot more coming and more coming.
SPEAKER_01I know of at least two unannounced really, yep. I know of at least two unannounced, and then I had heard, but had not been contact. Well, turns out I I kind of did know, but I didn't really know. But I was sort of led on to the inny builds global. I was sort of teased before. I don't have conference, yeah. So yeah, so like I had heard inklings. Let me let me put it to you this way. I had had a conversation with somebody who said I work for a developer and we're developing a business jet. And we, you know, I don't know, we're not there yet, but I think that we are gonna want Jetcard to work with it. And then and then I was hearing inklings elsewhere that any builds potentially was working on a large cabin jet. And I was like, it could maybe be the same thing, and then they tease the global. And now I have not had follow-on conversations, so I I don't want to get anybody in trouble. I've not had any follow-on conversations about making Jetcard work with anything. Right, right. The deductive reasoning of the conversation I had with you know, with the the rumors that any was making a global, and then any teases an SBO with a global 6,000 tail number in it. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_02When they smoke this fire boys, exactly.
SPEAKER_01They still technically have a BI, right? Technically, no, no.
SPEAKER_02Technically, no, interesting. And then you said there's two more that we haven't even seen teased. Yep. Wow.
SPEAKER_01Gents I'm under an MC for those, so I can't talk about those. This is exciting. There are two more coming, and I will never not give you any clues, but there are two more coming there. Well, two different developers, but there are two more coming that have not even been remotely teased yet.
SPEAKER_02So I love it. We we make fun that Microsoft Flights and is becoming Microsoft Flight Sim Airbus sim, it's soon become Microsoft Flights and BizJets.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'm here for it, Jen. I'm here for BizJet.
SPEAKER_02There's nothing left. I mean, not really. We were just talking about that as a group the other day.
SPEAKER_01There isn't a ton left. You know what? And here's the other thing like I am talking with scenery developers too, because we don't need another Seattle, we don't need another LaGuardia, we don't need another, I mean, we do need another Houston Intercontinental. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, you know, like any bills that do in Chicago. We don't need any more of these major yeah, we don't need any of these major international hubs next. Well, where do these developments? We made regionals, regionals, and we need we need Beach Tree to Cobb and we need Danford and we need Centennial and we need yeah, Van Eyes, and hit sounds. Yep. And and uh I have I have no agreements with anybody on the scenery side. I've been reaching out and trying to like kind of see like test the waters there, but like I let this audience know that I am out there talking to senior developers, being like, how do I what do I need to do to get you to Kentucky? Sean be supported Jack Hard and Closed Traffic Pro Podcast sponsored Paducah, Kentucky, coming late 2027. Here for you. I love it. I love it. I'll chip in. I'll chip in, boys.
SPEAKER_02I love it. Hey man, before I close this out, I got some rapid sorry, go ahead, Johnny.
SPEAKER_00No, I was gonna say, you know, that also includes the bust of that the clapped out crown victoria pile of cards. I have a crown vic man.
SPEAKER_01The crown vic man, black on black. Before we wrap up, because I know we're right up against the time. Can I ask you guys one more question? I promise this one, but this one won't. Yes, and then I got some rapid fire ones for you, but you go first. Okay, all
Live Events Charters And Realism Wins
SPEAKER_01right. Have you guys used the live events charters yet?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think we have this personally. I think there were some uh World Cup trips I did.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, okay. That's right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I I I would be remiss if I didn't bring it up on the show. My absolute, absolute, absolute favorite feature, hands down, not even close, is that live events thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Again, another thing that I just don't think we've seen in the sim. Uh yeah, if I can shoot my own horn, like man, I love the idea of like you log in and like the the charter board shifts, not which is you know, procedurally generated from a generator, you know, jobs, but like wow, like the World Cup attendance stuff and the NASCAR attendance stuff, concerts, and I love that. I love logging on Saturday.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I flew a group of executives to the to the Knicks and Spurs finals in San Antonio. That's right. Oh my god. I think I love that. I love forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01I love that feature.
SPEAKER_00Like this became so good. Yeah, I think it's I think and I think it's also location-based as well, because I've I did one because I'm I'm out of Texas. So yeah, so it's like you know, I'm flying oil execs to somewhere with North Dakota or something to look at you know, a site or whatnot, you know, and that's when if you go to flight aware and you look at the amount of air traffic, especially going between like Midland, Texas to God knows wherever. I know midland. Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, me and you both. And so, you know, more often than not, you know, it's probably gonna be, you know, oil and gas traffic. So I mean, it was just so cool to see, you know, to see some of the stories, but you know, behind some of those trips.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm a big Formula One fan. I love grabbing one of these Formula One team travels and flying to Monaco, drop the team off, flying back on Monday. Oh, yeah. I love that feature. That's awesome. So I'm glad it sounds like Mike's gotten into it. Charlie, I I don't have any live event charters for you out of Moncton. I'm sorry, man.
SPEAKER_03I don't nobody want to go up there, it's just the shortest distance where I can get back to the city. You would have to go back, which is the problem. They are a round trip, so you have to go back.
SPEAKER_02I just hit it because I need the fuel.
SPEAKER_01I just try to get that girl over the water. And started in the right engine sequence. That is exactly the rapid fire questions.
Rapid Fire Favorites And Wish List
SPEAKER_02Yes, sir. I'll start with bizjet's favorite bizjet. Oh, that we currently have? Generally speaking, and you could answer for the currently one half as well. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01If if the innie builds global is real, that will I that'll that that'll retire a lot of things for me. You know, I I like the large cabin stuff. I like, you know, a lot of to be honest with you, like, you know, I I wasn't getting to fly for a long time while we were kind of finishing development because I was developing. And you know, like what's been fun now is like I know it's not the best airplane, but like I'll just load up that freeware Gulf Stream because I'm not looking, I'm not actually looking at it. Like it's A to B and I'll fly, you know, 11 hours, 10, 11 hours while I'm coding. And you know, so I I think the large cam, like it when the any builds, if that is a thing, the any builds global 6,000, if it's real, that comes out. I think that'll be my daily flyer. I'm loving the sovereign right now.
SPEAKER_03I I think they did a great job on that.
SPEAKER_01I wish it was faster, like when you could fly Mach 0.9 in the Gulf Stream with citation 10, and you gotta do 78 in the sovereign. Like, that's yeah, but man, the flight model and and and all that, they did a phenomenal job on that. I I love the Falcon.
SPEAKER_03The sounds of that thing are like spot on. I've been in a latitude, and it's like it brought back memories.
SPEAKER_01They did a great job. I I owe them some work actually to kind of get some of our jet card integrations working with them coming up soon. So, you know, teaser, teaser number two for you guys. But um I love that sovereign. I wish I wish it could be faster than point seven eight, but like when you use it for like those, you know, two, two and a half hour hops, what a great airplane that is.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'm I'm not really an old gauge kind of guy. I mean, I love the Falcon for its. Yeah, I mean listen, they did a great job on it. I know that they've been saucing out some kind of kinks on it, but you know, I I I love that for the integrations. If I had to pick one mic onto my head, give me the soccer. Bingo, I like it. I like it.
SPEAKER_02Most underrated airport for charter flying.
SPEAKER_01I really so near and maybe this is just personal. I love Bedford. I pray and I'm working, and the first airport if I can get somebody to sign up and do it, is Bedford. I think the way it's tucked under the airspace for Logan. Um, I love Bedford, it's near and jay to my heart, but without scenery. I'm gonna say I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna give Johnny some love here. I'm gonna say Dallas Love. I don't think I don't think people realize how crazy busy Dallas Love is for it's I didn't realize IRL I would just see it as a Southwest hub, and that's it.
SPEAKER_03They've got three signatures. Oh that's yeah, there's three signatures. What else?
SPEAKER_00Johnny's Atlantic, not Atlanta, I think it's a millionaire there, it is Atlantic, and then there's a oh I forget it, but there is a pull through, they have a pull through. I forget the name of them, but yeah, they have like Texas Aviation or something. I think it's uh it's uh might be the Dallas Jet Center. Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking of.
SPEAKER_01Something just yeah. So I think I think in jet part underutilized, Mike, I would say Dallas Love.
SPEAKER_03I think the one CP aviation.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, what's your call sign? I just saw Homeland or Homegrown or something like that. Crosswind. Crosswind. I'm sorry, crosswind.
SPEAKER_03We always crossed up at CTP.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the one that's getting the most traffic out of me, Mike, is Teterboro. I mean, DreamPlight did a great job in that VT.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I love Peterborough. I was telling these, I've been telling these guys about it for years. All right, one Microsoft Flight Sim add-on you can't fly without. Can't pick Jetcart.
SPEAKER_01That's tough. I mean, to be honest, the hard here's the hard thing, right? Like I've done nothing but Jetcard for the last six months. Um so before Jetcard, I would say a pilot's life v2. Gotcha. I I that was, I mean, for all of COVID, like that was all my flying. You know, so not that I've been doing a lot of commercial flying. Like I'm I'm actually sitting in my sim chair. I've got a a win-wing nick to unplug. I got a win-wing nick to sitting here. I've got the glare shield in front of me. Like I was I was until I started developing Jetcard. So I'll plug that back in later so I'm not sure my next two users. I I was before Jetcard only exclusively an APL V2 user. I was on the APL V1 beta team. So, you know, I I don't other than private jet flying, for which it was just random A to random B when I didn't want to do commercial, I was I was just pounding away hours on a Pilot Flight V2. That's that's part of the reason why I think I'm excited for some of the stuff that I teased earlier.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha. I hear you, man. And one last one for you. If you were to snap your fingers right now and it'll be available in the morning, what aircraft would you add to Microsoft Flight Sim or even X Plane tomorrow?
SPEAKER_01I want to God, I don't care which one, I want a Gulf stream, like a I want a payware golf stream in the sim. Yes, 650 would be fine, 550 would be fine. That honestly, I think I I love what they've like what Gulfstream Real World has done with the new Gulf 5. Um to be honest with you, I like with the global 7500 coming from CJ Sim, the global 6000 now coming from any builds, we're good. Honestly, like a utility Gulfstream, like a 450. Could you imagine G450? Just you know, you know, 35 mile 100 35 mile range with a 4,000-foot runway, you know, performance. Um I don't know those numbers exactly, but you know what I mean. Big range, small airport, Gulf Stream. Oh man, we need that. I don't think we'll ever get it, unfortunately. Man, Gulf Stream.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's tough. I don't know. Microsoft needs to whisper sweet nothings in their ear or something to get them uh I've heard they tried.
SPEAKER_02I've I've heard many have tried in over the years.
SPEAKER_01I forget who I was talking to, and I I I don't want to be quoted saying this. I'm fairly certain they worked for Microsoft that they have reached out and they've said we will license it, we'll pay to license it. Royalties, like what do you want? We want to do an expert series Gulf Dream the Simp. Right. Gulf Dream told them to pound sim.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, golly, they're not playing, and it's been like that for like 20 years. I remember the money.
SPEAKER_01Why do you think the money? Uh G650 costs you 90 million dollars, right? So, like, what is the royalties from Microsoft Flight Simulator giving them that they're not getting these when when Kanye buys a new G650, right? Exactly. Yeah, or you know, Taylor Swift's gonna have to upgrade at some point. You know, she's gonna want like a 650 or a 550, and it's gonna cost 75 million dollars fresh out of the factory. They don't, you know, it's unfortunate because I think they could create bigger fans by just embracing this community.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, this space aircraft, though.
SPEAKER_01You know, but listen, they their entire brand is built on you have to pay a part exclusivity for that exclusivity and that that lifestyle, and we're not gonna give it to you for a $40 add-on in Microsoft.
unknownNope.
SPEAKER_03That'll make sense when you put it in that perspective.
SPEAKER_01I am excited for the Praetor.
SPEAKER_00That's oh yeah, yeah, that prayer's gonna be legit for sure.
SPEAKER_01Wait, who's making a Prater? It's gonna be a Microsoft Expert series, yeah. Oh, that's right. This fall, this fall, maybe. I think I'm I've heard where they've been teasing, yeah. And that that'll be that'll be game changing for the system.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that thing's sick avionics in it.
SPEAKER_01It does, it does. And that opens up, by the way. The reason Microsoft is doing that is that opens up a a whole other range of aircraft that once Working Title does that, yeah, people will be able to pull that into other things.
SPEAKER_00You know,
Final Thoughts And Closing Thanks
SPEAKER_00the avionics week, yep, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02Nice man. Well, Sean, that's all the I say prepared questions, but we really didn't hit like prepared questions. I think it was a great conversational type of uh event here at CTP that we always strive to do. But I think the audience here got a good sense of what Jack Card is, how how it's the foundation for which it it started, and and how it's gonna continue to grow and evolve. And obviously, you heard we're we're big fans of the platform and of the product, and we continue to use it no matter how cheap Charlie is. And it's uh it's uh man, guys.
SPEAKER_01JTC is always hiring.
SPEAKER_02Literally, it's uh I might have to like go explore other opportunities.
SPEAKER_00I know exactly.
SPEAKER_01I always have Jetcart open. Can we? I have 121 planes and 49 pilots. Whatever you want to fly, we've probably got it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm so easy knows Charlie. Sorry.
SPEAKER_01You know what's funny is I thought more people would want to fly for like the the you know the application airline as a chance to like just get their feet wet.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01I get no I I log in expecting to have like 40 applications to sift through, and there's not one. So I I think that's great actually. What I I I think I do, I do. I honestly think that's awesome because that means that the other players who are here all the time trying to grow their operators, they're getting those pilots, and I I love that for the platform.
SPEAKER_02So good point, really good point. Johnny, Charlie, anything I missed? Anything you want to hit on?
SPEAKER_03No, not what I could think of.
SPEAKER_00Man, not a whole lot. I mean, besides you know, wash your hands before you after you used to bathroom, that's about it.
SPEAKER_01Can we talk about how now it's dark in my apartment, like it is in Charlie's house? Like over people are gonna start this at zero zero, and it's I'm gonna be like in sunlight, and it's gonna be nice and bright, and Charlie's in the darkness, and then just over the course of the entire show. I've just become Charlie.
SPEAKER_03The camera's actually making it brighter than it really is. It's it's getting dark.
SPEAKER_01A little less beard than Charlie, but that's yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's old man Grace, what we call this. Oh man, you're funny.
SPEAKER_02Well, if we'll get there one day, Mike.
SPEAKER_01Now looking forward to it. I just I just want to thank you for having me on the show. And um, I you know, I appreciate that you guys were early adopters in the program. It uh it really does mean a lot to me. Like anytime I talk to somebody, like, oh man, I'm using Jetcard, I'm loving it, like this is great. Like, thank you. And I'm like, I you're welcome, you know. But like from me to you, you know, as as customers, right? You know, I didn't give this to you guys for free or anything like that. Like, you guys bought this on your own, and um, so I'm very grateful for that. And I'm I'm glad to hear it seems like you guys are enjoying the program. So thank you for supporting it. That's phenomenal, man. Thanks for making something.
SPEAKER_03Thank you for making something.
SPEAKER_02We knew we needed, but didn't know we needed, and glad we're had.
SPEAKER_03Yep, yeah, yeah, all at the same time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and um, I'm serious about that community thing. Like, you guys have a following. So if your people want to uh we want to if we want to convert you guys to like a partner, you know, media partner status thing and cool, you know, get you some airplanes. Uh I you know, I have I have God mode on my side. So um figure that log in and be like, man, where'd this global come from? Listen, listen, I'm eternally grateful for blue games and v1 simulations. Like those guys really have driven a lot of the growth of this program, and I'm very grateful. But I would love to see uh like a third player taking on this like media, this media partner battle thing on jet card. Like, like I'm happy to, you know. I helped them, I helped them get the airplanes and the cash they needed to grow a community. So I'm extending you the same offer here. Awesome. You can play it back on you can play it back to me now. So if I don't do it later, you have me on save. Yeah, we can come in for it.
SPEAKER_03All right, make sure this is recording the one hour and 18 minute mark.
SPEAKER_02Go back.
SPEAKER_03Time time stamp. So fun.
SPEAKER_02Too cool, man. Those of you here in the states, enjoy very happy fourth. We're recording this on July 1st. Damn, man, the year is flying. Dude, halfway through. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03It'll be expo next week.
SPEAKER_02Christmas in July got Charlie and Gold Street. There we go. I love it, I love it. Too cool, man. Keep the blue side up as we stay at CTP. Take care, and uh, we shall see ya.
SPEAKER_00See ya.