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This week the lads continue with their World Cup coverage and rank recent England greats and Scotland's efforts as Lummy's England shirt looks like going into the last 32 unwashed.

Stories include former Sunderland player Asamoah Gyan and his Music Man inspiring the Mackem's to a 5-1 defeat against the Toon, an ex pro getting papped in only his club issued shoes after a night out and find out which host was Mr February in a topless club calendar. 

Also includes a review of Carlisle's latest signings and the one they think has a bit about him to be a huge success for the Blues. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Right, we're off. Is it hot enough for you? Recording what today is today? Tuesday. That's why I've got my England top on. I've got to keep it on till we lose. You must be sweating on the lot. Looks fit. Yeah, it stays on till the end. Doesn't even get washed. Every game. I was struggling last Euros to go all the way, didn't run. That's right. I used to jump out of there and they jumped on me. Surely you went to the last of the groups. The groups are none couldn't taste in it. But I none anyway. The World Cup started, Dylan. We're on board. Hey, thank God for this World Cup though. All the videos you see, even the other countries, everyone's getting on. Everyone's liking each other. Some happy times. Happy time this wind, Keir Starmer, Pitstock. Is that political? Should we not something? No, we don't go down that room either. I don't know what we're talking about, do we? 38 mil. We got a winner. Aye. I don't know if we have. There's a different platforms to play this 38-0. But Minnie Moinin, Texas. He went, I've done alright there, 101 points. I looked at his team. Alan Ball. Jimmy Greaves. I'll see Jimmy Greaves first. He went, who's Tony Brooke? I went, Well, good job, I know Tony Brooke. He used to come. Peter Reed used to get him. He's a Man City legend. I think he lifted the FA Cup in 1960 summit for Man City. I said, your settings are all wrong. So I think he's found the proper one. That's too far back, isn't it? Getting over 100 points is decent. Unless he's busy at work, though. Roy Holiday hasn't sold the car for you. Should say that. Who else? Does Gaffney text yesterday went obsessed?

SPEAKER_02 1:37

My brother, Friday night. I've just looked to the left. He's just a world of his own, playing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Horrenda's had it as well. He gets some good teams though, and then he just died. Yeah, we didn't throw out like the Blackburn 91. You know, Kevin Moran at the back. There's always one player, isn't it? That doesn't really fit in there. Someone said this the other day, the new football league one, and he's got the whole Carl L team, so he can play as a Carl team 2007-2008. 88, great and top 29. Is he? Evan Howard, 73. Oh Evan. Um speaking of what did I say a nightmare? No, but speaking of a nightmare, skip your England. Oh no. Adam absolutely done, yeah. Tree. Oh, cheese, Adam. You thought you were clever as well, he went Gerard number one.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

I know that wasn't that's because he's an Everton fan and I'm a Liverpool fan. I thought I'm just gonna say it, and then the next one, Rooney, and then Kane.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

I thought, oh that's it. So if no one watched, it was you went Gerard one. No, you went, you went, yeah, we went Michael Owen two, Beckham three, then Gerard one. Gerard one, Rooney four, Rooney four came out five, they came out. So I went down to play over 35s last night and I've just been hammered off everyone. Everyone just said. So would you think Nolver should be there? Well, yeah, that's what I'm supposed to ask. Me personally, I would go Rooney one. Is this for what they've done for England, or is this Shoudoob 2? Best the top players out of them five, and then who's done the best for England out of them?

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Ooh, well best out well to Kane won, it's best out of England. If you go just what I think's form probably best players of the career, I'll probably go Rooney one. I think you'd have to go cane two now. And then I would Where are you putting Gerard?

SPEAKER_01 3:19

I would go Gerard three. Was Gerard? Owen four, Beckham five. Alright. He wasn't, it was at schools now, wasn't it? He carried it for a couple of years though as well when we were cracked. I wasn't then. Didn't look like injured Rooney got injured, I claimed crucial, crucial times and sent off. Rooney or Cain one and two anyway. Well Rooney and Cain are top goal scorers, so they've got it. Yeah. And then Beckham, Beckham was good, we just keep forgetting about Beckham though. Michael Owen from 17 to 2022-23, wasn't it? I mean he won Ballon d'Or, didn't he? He was unstoppable. It talks quite thinking about it now. He says the people, sports scientists would have said now, from 17, you will finish about 25.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

And his career, sort of the way it went in the latter part of it, people that's all a lot of people remember. Like Stoke and Newcastle, but he couldn't really run. His hamstrings were knackered.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

And people were like, he can't have been good.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Wasn't it? He pulled up on scratch on a Monday night before.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Memory, yeah, because he was flying, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_02 4:06

And just uh so Rooney I go Rooney won, Kane two, Gerard three, Michael Owen four, Beckham Five.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Beckham Five, mentor. It's I know what there's a there's a let me finish.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

I'm going 0-17 to like 24. What he'd done in that period of time was just he was like what for England?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Every wherever you play for Liverpool, Real Madrid, England, he was unstoppable. And then yeah, but you see you're defending on that Husentina game. Was it General? Have you seen it yet? I hope some of you people listen or watch it. Generally, I get caught up, innit? It's like that. It's like a transition like training match like in training. Now you're like does he like the defence? Like the fence need to wait till 18 yard box before you can go and get do you you know for the pen? I think he dropped his shoulder past Portucity. America's not a green win, like is it what it looks like? I went muscle crow and gladiator, or muscle crow and training day, and not training day the gangster one, just like might be trained, actually.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

That's my reason for my five, anyways, because Wahoin done in the early part of his career.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Right, who's the best careers out with them then? See him again. No, I can't.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Really must be.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

I think Rooney's watching. I think I think Rooney's and Gerard's one or two. What's been good about lately is that people have been bringing up Rooney's good videos again because he hasn't been seen for a while, and now everyone's bringing them back and going, you go, freaking hell. He's lost a bit of timber as well, he's looking good. He's had his teeth done as well. He's on the the bear. Oh, you can't polish your shit off, and you see the mice. Did you want to is that right? Or is that I thought I didn't know if that was true. I seen that as well. Yeah, I do because he was signing the thing with it. He looked he looked well. But no, I think that was like the eye, but I think there were always like rumours that he might be going apart as that. You've been done by any eye video, he's thought he's come back to play. What do you mean? His son's been on the weights. I know. There's a lad who does one-to-one down there and he goes and ruin his back garden every couple of days, isn't it? Something back out. Um political as well, maybe. What do you think of um I forgot her name? The ex-England no, the ex-Chelsea women's manager who was now in his stitched her with that. Whatever you think, they've stitched her with that. Whoever signed off that studio with the jacket that looks like a kitchen. The jacket. Have you seen the jacket? She does like uh a little segment. You've got about a dad. Oh, it's terrible. And then she talked about um something about about court, and then she turns around with a jacket and it's got something in the back. Having the almost like a make drop car. Have you not seen that? Yeah, no, that's my club. But then use it. Yeah, let's give it. Because everyone's tried to back her up and saying, you know what? Because an analyst is very good. She analyses games, but she's in the kitchen on a chalkboard, which is very I don't know if she's trying to be arrogant or she's trying to push through. She's quite bullish. Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't know if it's kind of like I'm gonna remember she bobbed into that manager one of the games, didn't they? This game got asked the question the day and she jumped in and went, Roy, what was um uh saying it this morning's quote? Was it the the other thing? And then he went is you remembered it, thank God. And then she just made eye the jacket thing. Thank you, Dad, Father's Day, for giving me the courage. Nobody like that is uh that's probably a problem. Like, people just want to watch the game, listen to your views, like boy, can that's why they're so lucky because they just give their opinion, it's brutal at times, but he just says what he's what he thinks. But see that whole premeditated, I'm gonna make a statement, I'm gonna say this, and then finish with my jacket and all that kind of stuff. Like, people they reckon they went back to the studio and Royke was out in his chair trying to slide under and get out of here. His beard was getting bigger and bigger, that's he only's got that big beard and the short heads. I'm all hungry, man. Alright, and then they've put superimposed like a sandwich order on the blackboard. She's had some stick mind. Um who is England's most important player?

SPEAKER_00 8:07

This Uncut. Well, sorry. Who is? Who would you think?

SPEAKER_01 8:15

I think Rice and Melan on it. Yeah? Do you know why I need to go? I'd probably go Kane because we haven't gone into that real centre forward. I I agree, but I think if we lose Selladon, there's a couple others. If we lose Rice, there's a couple others. If Kane goes, Tony, not it's over, it's it is over.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

I think Kane was welcome to definitely.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Kane's the only one I think, like even if England will have been really poor. That's why I think Bellingham as well. Because you think the last Euros they're compulsive order, they can be so poor, but and then pops up with big men. Size of see how many games he's played for his age. Did you play this until it? Nah. Because he was kicking about you wouldn't have seen him believe him.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Do you think someone like him will go into his 30s though, because of how early he started? Like at this day and age probably will have with all the work get up and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

But he's got that, you know, like he's going at the end of the day. Like out of the air, can I like that like bite but like in one? But if it turns out if I have him and he wins the World Cup like now, shut him up. That's probably me, don't I? I did retire in 23. You reckon Gaza, you know, when he slid for that thing in Euro 96 and he missed it against Germany. Reckoning it's just if he scored, it was golden goal, wasn't it? You're just gonna run down the time. See that that was it. Um Scotland's most important player. Look for that. I don't know, man. I don't know. The took two games I watched. Take a point against Hay. Do you know? Like we got a deflicted, getting a golden again, and then the game the other night. I watched it and it was so bad. And I get like obviously on top of that, there's people praising just being there, but then the half thing. The half thing for me was just getting it. Yeah, yeah. So once you get there, you do what you do to go through the groups and you you get there and then have a bit of a goal. Do you know what I mean? So they've got to get something up Brazil. Basically, if they don't get hammered, maybe three or four, they should be. I've seen the table today for like goal difference. I've seen it. The second aren't there in the like third place league.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Yeah. Ah yeah. Is that what that league is? Yeah, so if they keep the goal, I mean it sounds bad, but if they keep it to a minimum, they don't want to write good channel to it.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Yeah, right, under 4.5 goals, that is. Love it. Um I seen a start on Twitter and it was Haiti had more shots against Brazil. Aye, more shots against Brazil than Scotland had the both games. Against Haiti and Morocco. I can't work out. So people are saying, well, if Haiti are able to have a go and have Scotland and we'll get a shot on target against. Are they brave enough to do it though? That's the problem. I can't work out with Tom there. I don't know what he is. I like him. What do you mean he's in positional one? Because man knew he was he was kind of defensive midfielder. I didn't know. And I knew that he went there with a goal machine, wasn't he? Always in the box. He just looks a little bit awkward on the ball compared to some others. But we've got him. See when he's done well for Scotland, we've been more brave, especially in the the group stages. He'd be we've been brave and he's played a lot of a top two. So see when we're getting in the box, he's just hitting blocks, being been around things. But the other night we'd asked him to kind of play as a front two but sit in. And then when we get the ball, he's coming away short to putting it to try to link it up and you are turning over the text from his game. I need everyone else to get on it, get us up the pitch, and then he he arrives in the box and comes up to a goal or two. But he's a great finisher. Ah, he's got to be gonna have a finish. Right? You're listening to three in the middle and episode, I think it's about seventeen. Is it that way?

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Twenty two. Twenty-two with guests, thank you. Seventeen twenty you're close.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

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SPEAKER_02 14:24

Yeah, he's coming to obviously he's coming to better players as well, isn't he? Yeah, um, like you say, he's got a skeptical book. I just get the impression you sort of get you look you look at someone, I think he I think he looks a confident boy, you know what I mean? I think he'll he'll relish it.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I think he'll relish it, yeah. Some of the Rascal Geary. Some of the Rascal Gear, yeah. Let's be comfortable. He brings out a clothing line, people will be on it.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Well, he's a isn't he a model? He's a model as well, isn't he? So he's 20, like you say, he's 23. He's had a good upbringing at Arsenal, so like you say, he's with better players, bigger club, and I think he'll relish it. I think it's a great sign.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Last time they signed a player on the center mid in the conference to get them up, hit double figures, goals, and 22 assists. Was he a model? Sock model. Did he think you know what my first training session Murph comes over? The lads are thinking about doing a calendar, tops off, and give us pre-season. Give us a couple of weeks. It never happened. You bug the Sundays, but you give us a couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

I'm gonna find it. I've done a calendar, right? Don't look I know it's horrendous. I wasn't expecting standing a good one. I've got the shorts on and the poor veil scarf and the kite is out. You've not done that.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

February was, but you know what? I'm not I'm not lying. Was it a few lads had kites? It was ready, there wasn't really six in our day. Was it bar things? You know why there wasn't six packs? You know why there wasn't six packs in our day? Because we could play properly. The people who had six packs were the crap ones. Do you know what though? Everybody was in the change room while we're doing it. I took my top off and he just lads are going, look at that man. Brooke I was carrying. I know, but how did we find us? Adrian Littlejohn, he wasn't. He was about 36 and he was he should pop up on uh 38th and nil. Aye, so I'm gonna fight I'm gonna find that for you. Listen, we know where it is. The bin. Dom keeps it here. Um how about Aziz's brother plays for Millballer on Ridgeback? Aye. And Harry Bunker, you know a little bit about him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I put in it called um for his pin. I didn't realise what he was such a big boy till you see him in the videos. No, he's a big boy, good athlete, good profile. I said that to he's in the chat. Good profile, and he's he's still young. Well, what age is he now? 23. Another thought is a kind of kind of build. He must have only been 19 or something when I played him, so I mean, so he's a young lad. You know, and he's played a bit of he he he played bits and balls when I was there, but I feel he's probably played a lot more game, matured a lot more. Elliot might be looking at diff horses for courses, different teams away from home and the big lads at like uh Eastley and stuff like that through the winter months. I didn't play any winter months. So Maury Patrick. Maury Patrick from August to October, Premier League player, from Marshall Mayor, Premier League player. In between, no rest knee point. Where's he got where's he going? He wants to go back down southern, don't he? Don't it is he'll be he'll get a clutter or something, yeah. Um yeah, so Harvey Bug kind of him. Yeah, alright, so no that's some signers don't inspire you, but then it turned out McAram shocked everyone. Well, as I've said, what I keep saying, horses for forces in this league, get in some people. But we think as well, like they're kind of they're top heavy as well, like with the sort of players that Lenny and obviously the new boy coming in. So you might be thinking, like, if I'm gonna go let them four five attack, yeah, I need proper solid. I mean like two midfielders that are gonna be big and strong, and then they slow and then let the rest of them just LFO in it. Um Sophie Burney, the physio, and Greg Steppens. Was Greg head of everything then? Greg had everything. Yeah, he came in, yeah. He was he was on the bench before games, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. What was his rolling? I think he was at head he looked like he was strength and conditioning, but a lot more too when he was on the bench, he was always over to Marcuse. Right. So he must have had all he must have had all the data. Stats and stuff, yeah, yeah. Um it's caused a bit of a fuss. The serve Sophie Burney won. Um obviously she's not been happy about it and put something up, and people have rallied round her, but Dolly told us about it, didn't he? Back in the day, you said you signed two-year contract, you signed three-year contracts, and now you're just kind of a rolling contract. So that's listen, that's football, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. You come to the end of a contract, you're like, Christ. But the manager's got to be allowed to bring in what he knows. He has, yeah. Um, obviously, he's got big trust in the in the guy's boying, so he wants him in. Right. So we're gone to England, World Cup tonight. Just one thing more. Mark uses Sudb and it's awful news, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

So condolences to him and yeah, definitely. And things it's uh very tragic, 38 to no age to pass away.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

So yeah, Neil McDermott, who we spoke about a few times, Terry McDermott's son worked with him at a little bit of an academy thing in Portugal, but also in the agency work as well. I think he's just finished it well, he was at Grimsby as headers. Honestly, horrible, isn't it? So yeah. Um yeah, England World Cup. We touched on it before. Match tonight, Ghana, be tough. Weather's meant to be not be the best. As in one massively up for it. And we never won a second game, have we? I've enough start, is it? Something like that. We never won my second game. Well, we drew against you, isn't he? North on Dominic for the podcast. Garnato. Garnato, common time for the nail float. Steve Bruce was on. Um Steve Bruce was on Talk Sport today. Can you name the three Garner players and you had it? Some of them? Could he? Could you?

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Could I? Is he good? Is it oh the set of forward guy?

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Jesus. Uh John Mensah and absolute player, he's escaped my name, but he had Montari. Is it Sully Montari? Sully Montari, yeah. But uh he said on the way to the Derby, something they're playing in the castle, so they're driving across, getting on the coach, stadium allied to go across 20 minutes. Uh Garner goes, can I goes, can I bring my music doctor on? So Bruce is thinking, yeah, bring him on, thinking he's there's gonna be this blow. And uh like Jan's listening to something and he's talking to him. No, no, they all get on. Four blokes have come on with the drums and that up and down the aisle. All the summit players are like, ah, what the fuck? What's this? John said, Ah, I'm gonna hit them today, boss. I get hat trick, I get hat rick, goal bonus. You castle five, some of them won't. They get on the coach, they go home, Steve Brisco. As John comes on and goes, All right, my music doctor goes, I can get on, but I'll be chucking off the tiny bridge and the guy. So he peddled them. Right, who am I? Seven six.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Ah, it's close now, it's close.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Are we ready? Yeah. I can't do any more for you. I cannot do any more for you. Tonight's your night, I'm telling you. Tonight's the night. Tonight's still is late. Right. Born in that born in July 1991. This player started his career at Tottenham Hotspur, and over five years he made 50 appearances scoring three goals. During this time, he had loan spells at Yalville, Late Norriad, MK Dons, Ipswich, Millwall, Reeds, and Birmingham. Where in the 2014 season he made a total of 33 league appearances under Villas Boas and then under Tim Sherwood. So that was his breakthrough season. When Tim Sherwick Sherwood left, Pochettino came in, and in the 2015-16 season, he only played 17 games. In January 2016, and not having started a league match that season, he moved to Newcastle United for £12 million on a five and a half year contract. Hello. Unfortunately, Newcastle relegated that season and he jumped ship to Crystal Palace on another five-year contract. What are you thinking? Palace figure originally scores at 13 million. Nah, no. I don't know how you see his name, is it? Ben Benton Girlson. Who?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

You better spell it because he'll he he's ruthless with this. You know on top of it? No. Who?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Ben Bent Girlson? Uh. Right. In December. You know on top of it, that boy little. I don't know. In December 2018, he scored a 30-yard volley against Manchester City, which was fast.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Shouldn't have put that in. Got it.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

In 2021, he left to join Everton. He suffered an anterior cruciate ligament injury in March 22 and went on to miss the rest of the 21-22 season and the whole of the 22-23 season. Following his release by Everton, he joined newly promoted Premier League team Luton before winding down his career and Turkey and Thailand. 340 appearances, 13 England caps.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

Who am I?

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Andros Townsend. Did you see him eating raw beef? Aye. Is that not allowed? Have you seen some of his content? That's out there. Is it? Right. Um, I've seen his hair transplant. He said that's where do you know? Turkey when he had the last food. It didn't even play. Didn't even play. Oh there he's saying for colour and sports. Just went, where's that clinic?

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Yeah, so seven and a half to six. Yeah. Right. I need you to write it down. Because you should get it, but I'm not going to spoil it for the um. No, no, useful. I'm not going to spoil it for the punters. No, you might get it very quick. Right, I'll tell you when you can write it down, yeah? Yeah. Born in 1985, this player started his career at hearts and made his first team debut in November 2003 as a substitute in a 2-1 defeat to Dundee United. He only made a handful of appearances throughout the rest of the campaign, but continued to develop. He scored his first goal against Kilmarnock in 2005-6, which aided the club's push towards European qualification. In 2006, he signed a new five-year deal and took over the captaincy after Craig Gordon left for Sunderland right down. I think this is what I've just said. No. Right. He got the captaincy, five-year deal as captain after Craig Gordon left for Sunderland, so he took on the captaincy. A 2.5 million move to Wolves on a four-year deal happened in late Jan 2009 and he made his debut in a 2-1 defeat to Coventry. He helped Wolves win promotion to the Premier League and played regular in their three seasons before they were relegated in 2011-12, where he put in a transfer request but no take as. Cheers. After that, he was released from Wolves after 154 appearances. He signed for Mick McCarthy at Ipswich in 2015 and went on to play 174 games before then returning to Hearts. You've got to get it. I've got more facts, but you've got to get it higher out.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

I think it's somebody Cameron.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

I'm thinking the guy's there now, head of head of youth that hearts a bit. I think the guy, I'm thinking no back and get his name. He's done? Yeah. After another 90 games for Hearts, he finished up with a lone move to Dundee, just six gate six games before finishing at Reath Rovers. 560 appearances, 41 Scotland caps. You just don't get a point for this, I think.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Can I just say something? Why is he not getting this? My head's went black.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Honestly. There's nothing in here. You monkey go out. 7-6. I've got Sunday in my head that I can't get his name. And I think I need a little head on you if Hartz then. Can I tell you who it is? Yeah. So started at Hartz, went to Wolves, went to Ipswich, back to Hart, 41 Scotland caps, centre half. Yeah. Christopher. I was never getting that. Were you not? Never. We had on my head, did you? I'm thinking. What's it going? I just wrote it down. How did it go? Seven and a half to you, seven to me. Oh, okay. And you know what? No next week, no. I'm more back in the 90s. Going old school. I don't even knew a partner, mate. Andrew Webster, I was fighting off. Andrew Webster? When was he born? Maybe Andrew Webster. You should have some language. What was Cameron's first? What was Cameron's first name? Colin Cameron. Yeah, played with Alec Rear.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

I thought he was in my book.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Um right, I'd have a little call from Jeff Smith. Remember Jeff's? Yeah, yeah. Jeff Smith was my mate, played it, played for so he was playing, he was a posting in playing for Bishop Auckland, Bolton, watched him, took him. Um liked to drink, got a bit silly. Because in front of Sam Allerdice in uh so they're in a hotel, Portugal, no going out that night. Jeff's come all down in white. He's gone and sat next to uh Sam Allerdice and Phil Brown, and I think it was a cocher or something. He's put his case forward for playing. Sam Allice has went fucking different class. Fucking look that like articulated himself really well, said I should be playing. This is what I wonder. He's tossing it off for you, the old up pros, like he went fucking different class. Jeff went, get in. Missed his mouth, the red wine. But he it reminds us something today. So when we used to play on Tuesday nights, we used to put deal and no deal on, you know, in a hotel. Yeah, yeah. We'd all sit around and have your food, which we talk about, you know, the dry beans, the tasteless pasta, the chicken boiled. Oh, the chicken was always bodging at the minute. It was great. You know, the but apple crumble with all the crumble gone. So you just had apple at the end, custard skin on. So we used to watch that, uh, just playing a deal and no deal. But Jeff was a bit like erratic with his money and that, never like he spent so much, spent it all. Um so one day I heard him on the phone for years, what are you doing? And he was just leaving a message when I was a Dalton with him. He went, Yeah, yeah, Jeff Smith, yeah. The game I want to be on is golden balls, and I'll deafen with steel at the end.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Did you know what's golden for golden noses? Qualities think you have steel on the ball. Aye, so that was it, dealing no deals on the thing.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

But it got us thinking, you know, when you got in from a match, when you watched the match, when you sported Celtic when you're younger, when you sported Carl, whatever. Carl, yeah. I used to get in from Newcastle Games just as Beer Watch was finishing, gladiators, blind date, points of view, and then match. I don't know why points of view was alright, the match of the day.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Brilliant man.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

Blame date was blind date or you bet or something else, but the rest were standard.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Gladiators, who did who was your favourite favourite on gladiators? Girl, aye, Jeff wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Absolutely. So yeah, remember.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Just when we were on gladiators, see the sports scientist at Banglamina. I was speaking to him about the gladiators. Said, Oh, what are you doing to summer on that? He's all going to Manchester and potentially going on gladiators. Like the older kind of older guy. Yeah, and I said, No way, me, my daughter waiting to see it a few months back in Glasgow. He said, Well, if you go back in the day on YouTube, he's like, I was actually on it like 20 years ago. 30 years ago, was he? Aye, and I was like, How'd you he's like, just type my name onto YouTube. So mean me and the Rion watched it. His name's Glenn Wilkinson on YouTube. Was he face reckoning the wolf? Is that his name? The wolf. I think Wolf was like the old school one, do you know what I mean? Um so we watched it back like 30 years ago when he was only like 20, now he's 55. Do you know back on it now? Do you know at the end the travel here when they're going and it's skipping running back in 35?

SPEAKER_02 31:19

It did as well, especially last night in the heat. Jesus, legs aren't moving.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

I'm coming down tonight. Cardell City pre-season. So I'm not due at the Melbourne Arms till eight o'clock, so I'll come down afterwards. We have a bit of watch, yeah. Have a little watch with the boys. Um, do you remember when Match of the Day went to ITV and they call it the pregnant ship? Yeah. Crap. Rubbish. And it started at six o'clock at night. Do you know what Eric Kinder used to do to the apprentices? Yeah. So he had all the Gasmodine, he had the Stephen Hein Marshes, he had all them Adam Bradleys and that. He just before he'd just taught them, go watch match of the day on uh Saturday night. Aye aye. What was game number three?

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Oh, so he knew if they were there or not.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

So it's things like Pop Robson used to get you with stuff like that. Absolutely going at the come up the coach's room. No.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

When I used to get someone said, like, I don't know if I wants to see it in the office, the nerves just were instant. Yeah. I was like, oh, what have I done?

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Did any of you have one of them phones too that you wouldn't have? 2003. I can't remember what make it was, it was Sylbar with a tiny arrow, and it had a it had a round in the middle and you flicked it up. But no matter if you put it on silent, if you missed a call, it went da-duh. So I used to go out and barns on a Saturday night, Red Bull vodka. So yeah, you're open through the night on you, and you're the next day you're I oh I dread and my phone, I'm trying to kit, thinking, does the manager know I was out? And I just yeah this night, did it? And I guess I think it's just a horrible, horrible Sunday, right? But I when I um when uh when uh Steve Parkman got sacked at Barnsley, the uh the the secretary cleaned his desk out. So went, there's about 85 letters in there about the lads being out, and you're involved in about 82. People seeing letters in them, are they? I just see you're spotted. He asked them to, but I was it he was good as goal with me. He went, You're doing you're doing the bits, like I can't I can't argue with you. They know everybody, don't they? How how do they know? Barnes' a bit like this. Bel Carlisle, that was the same size.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Carlisle used to be a very good on a Sunday night, and I used to go out and go drive back to Portville, which is two two and a bit hours away.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

What and send them Sunday?

SPEAKER_00 33:46

So what I used to do was I used to sit off and get to Nutsford, go in, brush my teeth, have a wash, get some breakfast, and then drive to training. But it's a good half a dozen of us.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Everywhere needs to be good though, your castle needs to be good.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

You used to walk in, there's the usual suspects, like some lads have still got the same gear on from that they went out in.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Do you remember Mark Convri? Me mate, Mark, you know, Conn play for like Sutherland, Cambridge, York, he was at York. And uh Con used to ring in like every other Monday, thinking like manager wouldn't click on. And uh one day the manager was taking the YTs. He said, We've got a player in there, Mark Convry. He said about 13 out of 15 Mondays off. Why stupid? No, I never I never shirked a training session.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

I went in rough a lot of times, but I never ever phoned in, so I couldn't come in. Did you nothing to be proud of, like, but I never went in there?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Did you never do that voice? I just don't believe it. See, nowadays they're just sitting into your doctor, and so no, you can't go into your doctor. Vicks under the eyes, tiny, so they can't snather because your eyes are all blood shot. Expert. Do the voice, but don't come in the next day, have a couple of days off, have a couple of days off. And if you time it right, go in Monday morning, the VIX up, ill, have your two days, you're off Wednesday anyway.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

You had Dolly on side though, didn't you? He was a big help to you. You popped down here, full's defeated, telling you. That's upset, the man of the match.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Oh, you go again.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Right, what's the crack? Again, sponsored by Tony Ezritton and family. He's back from Cuba this week and he's invited us round, but I'm going and hold her on the Sunday. But I said when we're back, I'm back, we're going round his arc in the back garden. His boys training with us tonight. Jade. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Young Jaden, good keeper. We've got a few young lads coming in, uh, young you and some young lads who we coached when they're only 12.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Do you know why come out to train now? It's mad because we'd done started one to one years ago and they were just kids. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Full of ability, just kids, little Eward, little Matty, Jaden, the keeper, and now they're coming down and training with the men problem. And they are men, and you're like, Jesus, not true.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Oh, that's a fascinating. I know, I know, but I do you know what Matty and Ewan trained the other night in Fit Right In, so I could on them. I've trained a lot of the Carlisle Academy lads and Newcastle Academy lads sat in the morning, and then Nerf came and helped. It's just so busy, Murph. Like I had I went, just do a possession at the end, 20 minutes. He went, I need you. I went float. He went, yeah. Little did I know when I wasn't in the middle, you had to dribble and run around the outside, and I had to make the numbers up. I couldn't do it. All the parents were looking over, and then Ninny Moynen was looking, go and look at the clip of him. And he was the one who got in at three and the. I was gonna say I don't heard it. He told us last night, he'd only had a few hours sleep. Right, we've got a um questioning. Cool. Evening, lads. It's a bit of a enjoying the pod, getting better and better every week, and a great way of finding out it's behind the scenes of the life of a pro footballer. Question comes directly from my daughter, Maisie, celebrate celebrating her 10th birthday today, which would have been about six weeks ago. So happy birthday, Maisie. That's your belated birthday, who was also enjoying it. Don't worry about the language, she just laughs. And has been coming to Brunton Park since she was five months old. Quality. Keep up the good work, the work lads from Wayne. So this is from Maisie. Dear Lummy Boydie and Dylan, I'm Maisie and I'm ten years old. We went down to Derby for the last game of the League One season. I remember that. Aside from the small niggle of not being able to bring my own food and water into Pride Park, there were a couple of things that amazed me from that day in terms of detail. One, around the perimeter of Pride Park, they had colourful hordings giving a timeline story of the club's history. Despite our ups and downs in our history, I thought something similar might have popped up at BP by now, like a storyboard. Oh, right. Big picture of skipping the relegation, getting in nightclub. Cheers. Holdy diving. Holdy diving?

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Uh it was a dark. No, Bayern of Fowley calls it.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Number two, the enclosure of the ground when inside provided quite a lot of atmosphere. Okay, there were 30,000 in, making me feel if the owners got round to upgrading BP, the PrayPart could be a good study for ideas. My question is to you guys on your jollies to other grounds over the years, are there any features you've spotted that aren't currently at BP but might add value to Collar United's fan experience or infrastructure? Though Lummy may have struggled the way he's happy with his many small plates of scruan and kegs and heineken in the hospital. Cheeky. She's right. Yes, Dylan, I agree on the salt and vinegar core crisps. Top. Thank you, Maisie. Thank you, but you amazing. Love that. So for me, the fan zone, but it's been nailed. Years and years ago when we used to do this conference for Carl Alabarrow, people like Wimbledon were in League 2 and had this fan zone outside like ours now. You're like Mansfield there, remember Mansfield did when you pull in, there's fan zones. There was, yeah. And to be fair, the old owners they put a bar up and a scree wasn't that but the new owners have really went on it. And it's a massive part of it'd be chocker tonight, even yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Well, like you say, there maybe if if that question was asked a few years ago, you'd maybe say, but I think the way it's going now, like we've said for a while, off the pitch, you cannot fault them at all. No, I mean, the the the new the bits under the new stand and the fans are and everything, it just makes the match day such a good experience for people.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

But have you been acting to it? Have you seen the little nude stand above the trade room standard and stuff like that? No, I I kind of like that. So there's like so they build the trade rooms now, and above it, there's the chairman's like suite and he comes out, but I think something like that, just behind the the near like the waterworks end. Ah, yeah, yeah. When we played leads in the playoffs, the built one and bridging that were in that discovery.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

That's what I'm saying. It is it is getting obviously there's more and more we can do, but from what they've gone from tonight, it's probably it's brilliant. I mean, that and you do you do get more people wanting to go, um, and there's a lot of variety for it's a day out, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 39:46

So it's not a turn up the half two, get one o'clock. 100%. And that's why there's hardly an hour for the second RP.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

You can name it and don't go out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Yeah. Some people don't even get which isn't they don't even get a ticket, they just go for the day.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

I've been to a few games lately, I don't see much of the football like. That's what's funny. Sophie, I've seen loads of the play.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

She isn't putting it at all. Right. Got a few questions for the podcast. Don't need to mention my name or out if possible. Just interested to hear about Skip at Celtic Nation, the players' money, etc., and the league they were in. Also similar, what happened at Gretna? So we've talked about this before. Gretna threw absolute wedge at it. They were in Scottish League Two, and they wanted to go. Were they in the North West Counties?

SPEAKER_02 40:33

No, we were in Scottish League three, so when when Brooke Mount Brooks Malsen took over.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

And you said we're going to the Premier League in five, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

So what happened was I was at I'd I'd come from Portville to Carlisle, and then obviously things didn't work out at Carlisle. I was told one thing. And other things, comforting things. So I was at a loose, not a loose end, I was at a bit of a a worrying part of my career where I thought, well, I've been relegated out of the football league. What do we do? What do we do now? Um, and obviously I went to Delby Star and I got offered a three-year contract on ridiculous money.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

What's ridiculous? I know you don't have to say the figures. It was nearly a grand a week, but like as in for Scottish Third Division, you got like all teams were part-time.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Like, you know what I mean? Some lads were like getting not even 100 quid, and you're getting. So that was that was that. 2005, 405, 2004. Um 2004, yeah, somewhere in 2004. Yeah, and and they've got, I mean, they've got all these big hitters like David Bingham, have you um Kenny Duke? They were all on the um he got all the top scorers off the league above, didn't he? Yeah, a lot of them came down because the sky's force used to have the top scorers on the side of the yeah, and they've sort of done what the money should have done.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

They went up, up and up, and they ended up in the Premier League. Um, and obviously it was never sustainable because Gretna didn't get fans and and what to stay in that in that sort of that top league. You've got to have a more than just a guy throwing money, money, money with no comeback, and then obviously he got he got ill and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

And and Gretna went pop, but the money for about five or six years I was throwing about at some players and cars and we um things like that. We won League Two, Brennan McGill played a lot of games, Brennan class ladder and he but the Irish Irish. But he would come up to League One, but Simo said you're not gonna play as much. He says you still still like still got a year, and Gretna three and a half three-year deal nearly doubled his money. It was never a year at Gretna, almost three or four. So lads aren't gonna say no to it.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Do you know what I mean? Security in that, and yeah, it's gonna build. But yeah, but it was just and he was never sustainable, and it's a shame the way it went, but they got to a Scottish Cup final, they got into the Premier League, so they did have some right good times.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Gavskelton, Danny Granger.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

I would say Gavskelton was the probably the the standout of the whole.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

He got Claire's player a bit, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 42:41

The whole five secures. Gavskalton's he was always there, he was always playing, he was always right up there as the best player.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

So just do you know who they had on Norton? Kyle Norton. They had him on Northern the left back.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

But Gav, sometimes the the further up the leagues I went, they maybe thought Gav was gonna, but he's he always played, he was always right there at the best prison, you know. He's he just he's quiet, gets on with his with his jump.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

He could do with the Selbic Pacing now, couldn't he? Well, we all could, we'd all be back playing. What year was that about 2011 or 12? They rang me and I just went, I have not doing it.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Well, I was listening I'm not I'll tell you what, I was on working right and I was on 250 quid a game at working, and I got a phone call off um off Celtic Nation and I needed tripled it in the row, three or four knees below. So I just thought I'm 31 or 36.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Paul Paul Honison left Dolington uh the same year on about he's only about Dawin the shit. He's done about a week. And Celtic Nation said, Come and train Tuesday, Thursday, play a Saturday, I'll give you 800. We'll get your cob uh you've we'll get your people carrier. There'll be three lads coming up every Tuesday, Thursday. You'll get your bait and off you go.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

I mean, we ended up signing like Murph signed. I mean, listen, when Murph signed, Murph's you're like his standards are ripe up. then I used to play centre mid with him and sometimes it would be four or five and a look and I'd just switch off like and he wouldn't let me switch off do you know what I mean you know he's like and but playing in midfield with it he was he was a class act but we had like a collar McMenaman Willie Gibson guessing some right going on well John gentlemen remember the name John Paul McGovern tell it again so he's coming science football league big stadiums all that we've pulled we've pulled up at um Dunstan Fed near the Metro centre in Newcastle and pulled into the car park and obviously there's a pitch in a little shit stand.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Yeah he thought we were picking somebody up he's like what we're doing here I was like this is who we're playing against he's like I can't play on there reality changing that was the first and last time we've ever seen it was it'd come back you did play well either right I've opened up something of kind of worms of the first story was a couple of weeks well since the gym story getting caught there's been a lot of people but now we've got footballers actually texting in and grassing themselves up as long as we don't uh it's a bit of a long long stick with us but it's worth it right we should call this exocurrant footballers shenanigans hi lads been listening to the kiosk of football lads or even gym goers getting themselves in trouble over the last few weeks and thought it was my turn to send this in anonymously. So in my younger days of being a pro footballer way before iPhones videos etc thank fuck I got myself in an almighty situation. One weekend my then girlfriend had headed away with her pals for 21st leaving me also 21 home alone with a 3-1 win on the Saturday in a first team match an assist a proper fucking assist not just a five yard pass and my managers and crowdovation ringing in my ears I thought I'm going out. Back then the club was at if say 12 of the lads came out from the team that was a poor show. Usually every Saturday Tuesday there were around 20 of us great times and great lads and staff. So I head out into the city with who I play where I play so that city he plays for it that's where he heads out which is not a regular thing as we like to keep out the city as we all know bad results can make punters turn on you. But tonight all was good club suit on a good win and a great atmosphere amongst us all club suit on quick five minute call to the missus and that was me set. No tracker off on my iPhone no social media bollocks she was out somewhere and I was out somewhere end on how it used to be so the night progressed and when it came to the nightclub time by the way back then you were out at 6pm nightclub at 11am on way home was ground 230ish I was talking to two local girls one thing led to another and they invited me back to their house. As we were waiting in the taxi queue one of the girls kept walking halfway down the taxi queue for a couple of mines then coming back. It happened around six or seven times but wasn't something that really bothered me. In the taxi it became apparent one girl was interested so as I said we head back to theirs. The girl who I was getting into Jesus said make yourself comfortable I'll get us all a drink. Knowing I was staying at their house earlier confirmed I took my suit pants off and blazer and chilled on the couch. Quick smell of the armpits not bad just waiting on my Smirnoff mule from the fridge Smournoff mule you ever have Smirnoff eyes and nets oh your teeth were gone by the third rig. Then bang bang bang from the kitchen back doors flung open and I can hear what the fuck is going on I know someone was here I seen him in the taxi rank it's that fucking dot dot dot my name was mentioned nightmare and his isn't the only male voice I can hear. There's a few men's voices I simply just sprint to the front door no pants but trying to get my shoes on as they are club issued and your mind goes through absolute anything when you're about to get a kick in you need some for CMD I sprint out with my shoes half on and as I run out the front door to avoid the mob from the back I am met with flash flash flash what the fuck I have a Kodak a Polaride flash camera right in my grid. As my eyes finally focus I'm ready for the fist to come through the blurs I just see a laughing girls and lads all around they're all five or six years older than me then the killer line that will do us for the papers next week I've just bailed still a bit drunk still not thinking straight or realising what the fuck has just really got on I get home I get in and I somehow fall asleep wake up around lunchtime on the Sunday fear fear fear piercing through my veins piecing everything all back together as the day went on I taught myself which we all do it'll all be okay as I said there was no social media so there really wasn't anywhere these photos could go unless it was the paper like someone had shouted but that's not a story is it? No one would be asked in that. Over the next week my last gets back the fear goes all good again. Saturday comes and again another decent performance from myself just as we jump off the back the bus to head back home after a long way trip the gaffer pulls me and says blank blank blank are doing a story on you tomorrow. Didn't want to tell you before the game because your head would go up your arse. It's something about being tricked by two lasses to go to a house but all their boyfriends are in on it the whole time and they have photos of you coming out the house with no pants on. Shit. It's got the shoes on though. Because it was an away trip this paper is literally out in six hours time I come finding one of the lads some good that done just pisses himself and devise a plan. My lass's staying at mine so I wait in the garage near my house opens I buy every paper. My lass is at mine so I'll keep her in bed all day and this shit storm will just pass. I didn't sleep at home at all but when she woke I was ready breakfast DVDs lunch and dinner sorted phone off romantic the plan worked for all of 18 minutes. Her mother always the bloody mother seen the paper calls round and that's her gone needless to say the lads were sympathetic the next day too not so there we are I don't even think there is a lesson here or is there probably leave your frickin club shoes but they were club issues as I say and I would have got fined for fun probably don't go back to a girls when you have a partner maybe or don't get too comfy too early on in a couch and leave more of your club suit on for a quicker getaway cheers lads love the podcast even brings back even though it brings back a hell of a lot of trauma he's oh must be a long time ago though Polaroid I just prove that though I ain't setting them off like that. Why is he or jeep yes or is it but why he like just took his pants off like early like early doors like I'm just gonna get the kicks off here like and get on the couch well I think it's weird I'm just playing devil's advocate he's had a bit in the taxi hasn't he by all accounts I know but said they're staying you've had a suit on all night sweat sweat get the truth never yeah do you get the trousers off though as he set me a six on skit skip you've got to remember nightclub up from 11 till two back then he just went in and chucked chips I did I've hot enough I don't I just think it's a bit wild to just go in a stranger off and just whip your cats off when it's in the bad thing got a message you do actually remember this story and I do remember the front paper it was class one there. I thought he got away with it as well didn't he so there we are I don't even think there is a lesson here or is there aye probably don't back to a girls when you have a partner don't get two cub feet too early on and a couch and leave more of your club suit on it for a quick I guess okay so what what did the headline say like what is obviously yeah the masses right that's the problem but come back to your gaff and running out with you like without a it was something along the line it was something along the lines of thingy thingy caught with his pants down a fun kind of thing whatever it is it's like a local Sunday it wasn't a big hitter. Yeah the girl um Van Dyke got caught with that in Glasgow don't know if you remember did he you might not know remember this yeah we can so you would think that somewhere I hope a big Virgo Disney see it but I'm talking about it but um he this girl can't know what's her name again maybe Liana or something quite a kind of social influencer back in the day yeah I mean like always nightclubs and doing things and everybody kind of recognised her anyway starts talking to Van Dyke but he's getting missus and I think she was pregnant I think which is horrendous so she went and it was during the day so they've got into the house I don't even know if they were actually doing it he's gonna her house he's been talking no she went to her to his they've been talking and stuff she went to his house during the day when his missus is there and then as soon as they've come out the house you can see big four Joe and Hoth looking down the street and down the street there's a like a like buttographer like literally she's fine it was that's what that's what it was he's got off there but it's a photo from disaster and me from the paper. So just down the street snapping all the pictures and then before you know it before you know it she's on um she's on the the article saying I never knew he had a misses and I had to step over like kid like baby furniture and all that and made the story like maybe she could scrabble champion and they were just he was learning English piano lessons or something no you never know do you remember what you think remember Rory Fellon yeah performance for big money swinding in that New Zealand international we got his phone started texting them all meet us this girl pretended to be this girl from Barnsley went on all week so we see his meet her at this bar just opposite under the multi-story car park where at the top the multi-story car park out where there he comes struck looks a million dollars to be fair roaring looks a million dollars like actually suspended for the saturda so it's a Friday night wear there me Anthony K David Mulligan two one two three she's not coming I didn't run away I didn't know what he done just kind of like couldn't see us but went and just walked in I just I just walked in nightless it oh god on that bombshell bit I'm never looking this yeah you could imagine so I was talking about the lad who said that it imagine that I'm gonna buy every paper I'm gonna keep her in the house but if we've got half a chance of social media not being around then the mum's done's gonna sort you can tell get the paper get a cup of tea you can't get every paper whenever DVDs you know aye well could do it for a right I think that's about us done what we hit an hour yeah training tonight yeah I'm going right now I'll come with you and then I'll go to watch the game Dylan you got your Harry Kane voodoo doll to stick pins in yeah Scott game tomorrow what time I love that look can I just say before we go I've seen this lad putting himself through his paces on the sheet mount on his own doing a proper session should have came sat in the morning absolute honestly mate my hat goes off to you because I couldn't do it. It's hard on mate honestly ever trained all summer three times in my career first one went at the summon for the first time trained the first team in a month second time trained all summer got in the team for the Premier Leagues and learned third time trained all summer played 56 games yeah cloud should have done it every yeah it's a lesson though isn't it on that we're just talking it's a lesson I like the time right