The Tortured Shareholders Department

Mary, Did You Know that we're Swifties?

This week we celebrate the second anniversary of The Tortured Poets Department, Taylor's 11th album, on our 11th episode! We begin by discussing what made us fans of Taylor in the first place, and then dive into why we love the album.

We then revisit an album ranking we did in 2021, and are astonished by how much our opinions have changed since then. We also talk about our experience going to the Eras Tour (twice!!). We finish the episode with our TITULAR Mary, Did You Know segment. 

Follow the pod on Instagram and TikTok on @marydidyouknowpod and you can follow Michael on Instagram at @mikewachowiak and @michaelwachowiak on Tiktok, and Sean on Instagram & @seanzyryan and on TikTok at @seanzy_ryan.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Mary, did you know?

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Hello, and welcome to Mary. Did you know the podcast? Well, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. It's the our one nice day this week.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Yes, it was pouring earlier today, but um now the sun is out, the rain has dried up. And here we are. And here we are.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

And this is our 11th episode. So we're filming the or we're recording this one a little bit early. So we're not really going to be talking about like, I don't know, our week necessarily or like the day-to-day topics. Um, because we got some we got some travel planned, and so we were trying to do some scheduling. And I, you got me a calendar for Christmas that is the Tortu Poets Department calendar. Yes. As I have written right here. And it has um it has like real holidays, and then it'll say like the anniversaries of albums. I love that. And it specifically says the day after this episode will come out, so the Sunday, um, is the second anniversary of the Tortured Tortured Poets Department being released. And it's also our 11th episode, and it's the her 11th album. And I said, I have an idea. Look at God, look at what God has done. So I said, we need to have a little kiki, not just about the tortured poets department, because while that would be lovely, it'd be rather a depressive episode. Yes. Um, but we could just talk about Taylor Swift and and you know, it for the for the people who don't want to listen, sorry. Sorry, but again, we've got this is our podcast. It's our podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

You can start your own, bitch. Uh-huh. Um, so yeah, so and I also know, like, I mean, we both love the album, and I know you very I knew you would have no complaints about this. Yes, at all.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Yes, yes, yes. No, um, this album is my favorite. I know we're gonna get into rankings and everything, all of that good stuff, but um, yeah, Torture Poets Department is hands down my favorite Taylor album. I think it's just brilliant from top to bottom. You know, everything about the rollout of it and the secret double album, like it's just everything about it is so genius. And that's my sister for real.

SPEAKER_03 2:26

So we will get into the the album. I wanted to start, want to start by asking, like, when because I remember we'll get into we I listened to an older episode of That's Trash that we did where we talked about Taylor Swift. Oh, she's and we'll we'll get into that in the second section. Um we'll we will re revisit our rankings, but um we talked a bit about then about like what sort of how you how we became fans, blah blah blah blah. But I feel like it's we've had a different story. So I I want to hear yours, like what your window in was, whether it was a song or whatever, and then I mean we know where we landed. So what what was what got you into her in the first place?

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Yeah, so I've I've always liked Taylor. Um, I was not like a diehard Swifty um when she first came out, I guess. Um like her first. Yep, she came out. Yeah. Um yeah, so I have always liked her music. Um, but what really got me going with Taylor was 1989. Um because it also, first of all, it's like a pop, it's pop perfection. Correct. Um and it also came out in a time where I it was just very formative for me. Um, because I was in college at the time. It came out what, 2014? Yes. Yeah. Um, so that was when I started regularly going to New York City to welcome to New York. It's been waiting for you. Literally, like I would put that album on, like as I was on the megabus from Buffalo to New York, and we would be going in like the Lincoln Tunnel, and I would put it on. So as soon as we emerged into Manhattan, it would be like walking through the cloud of milleting the cloud.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Wait, I have to interrupt this for one second. Did I ever tell you about when I was on a megabus and we like left a woman? We were like we like got off at the stop and they tell you do not get off. Like if it's not a real stop. Oh, yeah. And this woman who did not speak English just got off. And then we like kept driving, and then this like I was sitting seated right behind the driver. She's like, Hey, we left my mother, and he was like, Sorry. Oh, like, but bye. We kept driving, we drove for about another 10 minutes, and then I think he felt bad. So he does a loop, uh, like a U-turn around in the megabus. That's crazy. Um, she's not there. So we're like, he's like, Well, I went back, a cop car stops us, and they go, Yeah, this woman started walking, and we saw her on the side of the road, and she just kept pointing to the megabus. Oh my god. Anyway, hope she's doing well. So you're pulling into the mega the same mega bus. The megabus is lawless. Oh, though there are no laws on the megabus. So but that used to be a thing when we didn't have any money. Yeah. Um so you so that okay, so that makes sense as like a it really spoke to you, and that album is all about it's a perfect college time album, too.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Yes, yes. So that is really what got me like into her, and I was like, I fucking love this album. Uh-huh. I love Taylor, I love the direction she's going. Um, and then since then, everything she's released, I've I've subscribed, you know, like I'm all in.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

I um I I love that. I I love how like even because we're again we're not that far apart in age, but I when I was in college, it was like 20 the year I graduated. No, 2012 is when Red came out. So my like senior year was sort of that time. So we I was sort of like Speak Now and Red were my college albums. Okay. And then because I remember specifically, Elena and I uh were at a friend's grad party from high school, and then we drove up to Toronto to see the Red Tour. I remember very, very vividly. We also got lost and um almost didn't make it in time. I had also just basically fractured my ankle and was like hobbling up, and we missed Ed Sheeran completely. He opened, they came out and did everything as change together, so we saw him, but like fully missed his set. I was like, is she on yet? And the woman was like, You got here just in time. And we walked in here and started to hear those like state of grace drums, and I was like, Where? Um, but my window into Taylor was also through through uh my friend Elena was Fearless, and it was specifically she had this nasty ass wind star van. Um, and we used to sit in that thing and we'd play Fearless with the windows down and just be driving around. And like I was like, I think I had heard our song or teardrops on my guitar, but like I'm still not big on country music, but I like female country singers, you know. Like I did like like a Carrie Underwood, a Kelly Pickler, or like those sorts of girls that were doing the the the sort of the pop country stuff there in the the early aughts I was into, and then something uh just about the fearless album, just again the level of songwriting, just like grabbed me, and I was like, What is this? And I think it was the first time I really realized, um, which I think is why she's formative for many people our age of like um not that there are there have been singer songwriters and there have been like for years and decades, and she's inspired by those people. But I was like, Oh, you can write like real music and be a young person. You know, you can you can be under 25 and really write something of substance. Yeah, I think was something to that shocked me, I guess. I also vividly remember being at my friend Lauren's house and watching the VMAs. Oh because what people don't realize that VMA, the Taylor Kanye thing at the VMAs is when she's saying you belong with me in the subway, it's the same VMAs as the meat dress and Gaga singing that iconic paparazzi. It's the same VMAs. So much culture in one broadcast. I always said if I ever was on Last Culture's, that would be the answer. It's I think it's the 2009 VMAs. It's this year we graduated, the year I graduated year I graduated from high school was so it was like fall of 2009, my freshman year of college. So fucking crazy. So yeah, that's so that's what got me in to her, and then now we've I uh we'll get into when we've seen her, but like I think seeing her, I was like, oh, this is uh because we bought tickets on like Stubhub for the Red Tour, which like I mean nowadays you could do it, but you're gonna be paying money. I think I think we paid like it was at the Rogers Center. Okay. It was where it was where we saw so she was she was she was playing the Roger Center even in 20 uh 2013 or whenever that was. That's wild. But but yeah, that's really what got me into it, which is and I feel like I feel like that's like also that's like normal, I feel like for music. Music you've you hear at formative times, yes, latches on to you.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yes, it means something different. We've talked just like listening to it.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

We've talked about this, not to get too real, but I remember there was some pink album where I was like, Oh, you like pink, and you were like, Mama, that album got me through.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it yes. It's um it's one of those things that you know, it's just when wherever you're at in your life, if you relate to what you're listening to, oh she she puts her claws in.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

And that's why her catalog is great because there's something for everything. Exactly. You feeling young and fancy-free, you got you got some music. You want to kill yourself, you got a couple tunes. Yep. You just want to have I remember turning, I turned 22 when the song had been out for like a year and a half. No, yeah. And I was like, this is I was at a college party near Kenesha. So I was like, this is this is living. You can't tell me this is not the life playing 22 with my big ass hair all 150 pounds of me wet. You couldn't tell me nothing. Um okay, well, now we want to speak about tortured poets. So do you want to give like some background as to like what was going on in her life when the album came out? Like uh all of that I can fill in, but I feel like I want to pass it to you.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Yeah. So she you're gonna have to help me with this because there's several breakups that happened all at once, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Well, she started the Eros Tour, still dating Joe Alwyn. Yes, who she had been with for a long time, um, who she wrote Lover About Yeah, got him a fraudulent Grammy for folklore. That's cool um, and so that well, because they she you she like changed. I thought he got it from writing. I guess you have to write a certain percentage of the album. So she got him added as a producer, and that's why it's fraudulent.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Um he did write those songs, yeah. Well, we'll see. But he he he has a producer Grammy. Anyway, um, they broke up about maybe like four months into the tour when it was still in its first US lay. Yes, they broke up. Yes, um, and then shortly after, right? She started dating Maddie Lealy of the 1975. Yes, and that's important because we thought this album was just gonna be about Joe.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yes, and then it's barely about Joe. They weren't together for very long, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:53

I think probably like eight weeks. Yeah. I remember, do you remember the open letter? Embarrassing. Fans who write open letters are embarrassing. It was like a Swifty group that was like, you need to stop dating this man. It's like she did need to stop dating this man, but like, ooh, anybody who writes open letters, yeah, you either um can't get into contact with the person because they're famous and you're not, or um, you couldn't just send them a text. Like, well, why are you doing an open an open letter?

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Right, right anyway. Um but yeah, so their relationship was short-lived. Um and then Torture Poets Department.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

Well, then she she announced it in Oh, she announced it at the Grammys. Yes. So now I remembering because she it was the Grammys from Midnights. Uh-huh. And so I was I remember, I also I remember I just there's like touch points. I remember I helped move, I think you were in rehearsal for Pippin. I helped move Matthew into his apartment on Ardmore, where he used to live, and the VMAs were on that night. And I was standing in his apartment where I was like, There's a new Taylor album, and we were like, red alert, red alert. Red alert. Then that so cut to a year later, she's at the Grammys for midnights, and she wins. I don't even think it was the album of the year when. I think it was like an it was like an early one, and she was like, My new album, The Torture Poets Department, is out April 17th or whatever. Yes, and then she posted, she's like, I'm gonna go post the cover art now.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Yeah, because that's when she she wore the the white the white, the white with like the choker, which looks very much like the Fortnite outfit if it was in white, sort of like that.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

Because that that one's black in that one, right? Yeah, the big black dress is um gorgeous. But yeah, so then and we knew the album was coming out, but I remember it being so funny because like no one knew I mean obviously the title, the torture poet department, does not exactly give like the life of a show girl. It does it doesn't it doesn't give it it gives like this is gonna be a little dark and labored. But like I think the gag was people thought this was gonna be this like album all about Joe Alwyn, and it's barely about him. I know. There's like once you get into the deluxe side of it, there's a couple more about him. Yes, but like So Long London is the only one that and the black dog are the only two where you're like that's about this person. Yes, like very clearly. Yes, but after that, there's so many more about Maddie Healy, which is crazy. Right, because their relationship was so much shorter than But I guess she was very like she was writing. I I think it seems clear that she started writing it about the album about her breakup, and then she got into another one. And then there are a couple, you know, songs like But Daddy I Love Him. There are a couple songs that feel like about a bad love. And I think it's clear at some point that she was still writing and they broke up, and then we get stuff like, you know, Chloe, uh what what what are the dolls? Chloe and Sam and Sophia and Marcus that one, or like um, or there's a couple more I can't think of. Oh, well, Loss of My Life is probably about Joe 2.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Yeah, yeah. That one feels kind of and I feel like going back to midnights, like you're losing me.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

That well, and then wasn't there like a reveal? Didn't Jack Antonov reveal like when they wrote it, and everybody was like it was like a c it was like a couple months before they broke up. Which I mean that tracks the end of their relationship, you know. Like it seems like it was sort of a slow crawl. There also is a and this I'm not saying this to absolve him in any way, because I think he's he clearly just like couldn't deal with someone who was famous. But I do think there is something to the fact of like they got together uh after 1989. So she had done that giant tour, they got together, she basically didn't went away for a year, and they start dating. She does reputation. Uh he he does she does the reputation stadium tour, but she owned like it wasn't as big as the errors tour, and she still wasn't doing any interviews or press or going out. So it seemed like they were able to keep the sort of intimacy of each other. Then it's the pandemic. Yep. Or she just starts to do the lover press, but it's that gets cut off. There's no tour, there's no lover fest. So he didn't really experience the mania.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

And also, I yeah, she didn't have that before well girl, lover to this scale.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Also, lover, we were we were dangerously close to a Vegas residency. We got we we we gotta be really honest about that. When I look at the like the promo from Lover, I go, they really had this girl doing anything. Like she's at the American Music Awards. Girl, who goes to that anymore? Yeah, yeah. But but yeah, but so what um so again, that's sort of like where we where the album comes from. And then she's able to then tour, like she adds the album to the Aeris Tour. She's putting out all these live versions.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

The Aerist Tour was honestly just crazy because wild. Like going through that tour that's already established, and then she comes out with a new album, and then we're like, okay, is she gonna add it to the tour? Because the tour was going out.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

I remember we were all working because it was in the and we'll get more into the Aeros tour later, but we were it was the um, it was the it was they they were in like Brussels or something, wherever they were opening the European leg. Yes. And we were all watching a grainy, like yes, of TikTok Instagram live being like, where like are they gonna do it? Because that's also when we realized they had reordered the show.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Yes, and as soon as that happened, I knew that she was gonna do it. I remember we're there were some leaks from like pictures of the the tour footage, and you could see like the TTPD like bed frame in the background or something. So we knew that like it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

I remember us both being in meetings and being like, one of us has to one of us can't join a meeting.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Yeah, one of us has to see what's going on. I literally blocked my calendar um because I had to watch the live stream.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

Well, and then also, so what were your first because I always think about this when I think really many albums I love. I always go back to like I'm usually laying on my couch, um, having yet fallen asleep. Um, and I am like listening to it. And I I usually I remember having to listen to folklore twice because my first thing was like, what the hell did I just hear? Because it was so sonically different than what I was expecting. But what was your first listening experience of Torture Poets Like?

SPEAKER_01 16:59

So I stayed up till midnight for the Which you don't do a lot release.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

When you're when you're like home.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Yes, yeah, yeah. Um, and I remember it because I was Josh and I weren't living together at the time. I had my apartment in North Buffalo, he had his apartment downtown. Um, but I was staying the night at his apartment that night. Um, and I literally told him, I was like, at 11:45, I'm going to the living room and I'm putting on the Taylor album. Do not put on my my AirPods Max and do not disturb me. Yep. I will I need to listen to it all the way through, right at midnight, and I did, and I was just like, this is incredible. Like I was one of those people that from the jump, I was like, this is the best thing I've ever listened to. And then I finished the album and I went to bed and then woke up and to a whole other album. There was a another album.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

A whole other album. I know I was pissed. I went to bed to like two. And then I waited like one more hour. I mean, it probably would have been good because then I would have been would have been up till four. I um, yeah, I had the basically the same experience. I mean, I was in just like just in my apartment. Um, the only thing that like, and I we had this conversation a couple weeks ago when we talked about Fortnite. I've come around on Fortnite. That was the only one where when it started, I was like, okay, D.Va. I was like, I don't know if I'm into this. And then I think it's wildly um, then the tr I like the title track.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

And then I know there was some that some of that song leaked on like Twitter a few hours before it was released.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

And they were just playing the Charlie Pooth part. They were like making fun of the one section of the song.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Yes, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I don't mind it. I don't think it's bad writing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

I I know we've discussed why you you sort of stood up for why Fortnite is first and why it's a good single, and it like connects the end of midnights to the end, but I do feel like my boy only breaks his favorite toys is the first track. It sounds yeah, because imagine the album just starts, here we go again. Like, yeah, it sounds like the beginning of folklore when it's like, um, some new shit. It's got this like, I'm welcoming you into it. And that to me feels I like the first two tracks, and I really like the t title song actually, and I've come around to really liking Fortnite. But once we get into the My Boy only Breaks' Favorite Toys, is where I'm like, she's cooked. We're in, yeah, we're into this. And then we get into a run of just like really I think I'm of the um, I think I'm in the minority of like people who love this album where I I think you I might be wrong. I feel like you think this like many people just like the second, the other, like the anthology album better. I think that there are strengths on both sides. I think if I had to pick, I prefer the the totality of the standard album. It's a bit like Evermore and folklore, but there are songs on the anthology that are like Immaculate Incredible. Yes. There's a little bit more fella on there. Sure. I'm not listening to I'm not I'm not streaming Robin. Do you know what I mean? Like it's nothing against, or like, you know, there are just a couple on there where like I don't particularly listen to the Bolter a lot. Doesn't mean they're bad songs, it's just like not, but then you got you got I'm gonna get you back and the black dog and Peter and uh uh what the hell is the other one? Uh uh Cassandra and like um I like thank you, Amy. I do too. And what's the other one? What's the one I love on that one? Oh my god. Uh oh my god, wait, thank you, Amy. I look in people's windows. There's another huge one I'm missing. You say something while I feel at the song.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Um it's not I'm gonna get you back, is it?

SPEAKER_03 20:30

No, I just said that. Oh, so high school and how did it end? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

See, now wait, see wait, like so good. I take it back. Yeah, I take it back. No, and that's why that's why I love this album because when when I get talking about it, uh there are no skips for me. Yeah, yeah. Like there are none. Not even no, not even Robin, like Pigo Tiger. Do you know that is my jam?

SPEAKER_03 20:53

Do you know which one I I do think is a skip? Uh and I, you know, and I I was mean to Robin, because Robin's uh trying to achieve something a little different. And that latter half of the song is a lot a lot less production, more just writing. I don't love um like I can fix him. Was it I can fix him? I can fix him, no, really, I can't. I I listened to the whole album again yesterday. It just it's a little too sleepy for me at that point in the album.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

And I think I can do it with a broken heart comes on right after, and so you're like, well, thank, well, thank God. I needed I needed a beat.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, it's does that come right after? Maybe. Let's see.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

I have this great playlist I made, which is I also because I like the original cover, so I have the original cover.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Oh then I I like the anthology cover so much better.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

I I like the like weird like as I'm wearing it on my chest. Yeah, it is great, but I like the weird white blocking of that one. Yeah. And then I added in a bunch of the ones that I got from like a Google Drive of like the live ones that were on sale. Um, but your original question was oh no, it's yeah, no, it's I can fix them really I can into loss of my life into I can do it with a broken.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

Yeah, yeah. Um

SPEAKER_01 22:00

But it's just so good. It's so good. Like, there are no skips for me. For me. For me. For me, there are no skips. And that's important for you. Yes. Um, and I I like I could listen to that. It it's been my most streamed album for the past two years. That's crazy. Like when it came out and last year, still my number one streamed album, and it's gonna be again for another year. I know. I was listening to it again.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

I fear, and there's no shade on this, I can stop listening to that Hillary Duff album. I fear it is going to be my number one stream album of the year. And you know what? Work. Sure. I do feel like that's what's about to happen. But yeah, I was listening to Torchia Poets Olive yesterday, and I was like, not exactly a gym album.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

No, I was I was at the gym and I I tried and I said, I'm gonna wait till I get home.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Yeah. Um, it's honestly a good album to put when you're like walking outside or like or driving.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

I can put it on when I'm like working, yeah, and I'm fine. Yeah, yeah. I'm good. Yeah. Oh my god, I have so many meetings now. I used to be able to play music all day, and now I know the same. I can't really listen to music during the day. No, it's hard. It's hard. I miss it. I remember it was one year where you shared your like Apple music, and I was like, but it's because you were playing it all day. I go, how did you listen to that many minutes? That many minutes? I was like, how mm-hmm? Uh-huh. Okay, well, we're gonna take a break and we're gonna come back because the see here's the thing. We get Gavin, girl, it's been 23 minutes. Oh Lord. Um, so we're gonna come back and we're gonna talk about um our we're gonna revisit some album rankings and then talk about going to the Aeros tour. So we'll be perfect.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Right back.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

And we're back. Okay, so I wanted to kick this off. I'm nervous. Um, so uh Sean appeared on my former podcast called That's Trash with Michael Goiak and Rest in Peace. Rest it rest it rest in peace. Those episodes were like an hour and 40 minutes. I was shocked at the length of them when I went back and reviewed them now. That is wild. Um, and we did one called it was uh Red Adele's version where we talked about Red Taylor's version and Adele's 30.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

Um, and in that I asked you to rank your Taylor albums. Now at the time we only had uh debut, fearless, speak now, red, 1989, Reputation, Lover, Folklore, and Evermore. Those were what we had in terms of and we're gonna count the Taylor's version, like those were what we had in terms of studio albums, new music. That's what we had. Um Midnight's Had Not Come Out Yet. She was in her re-recording era. She had done Fearless and Red. That was like, you know, that was when she was doing the big problems. For red, yeah. So I asked Sean to rank them. Oh boy. What he said is crazy because he started it by saying, hold please.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

This was years ago.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

This was twenty this was November 2021.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

For the record, five years ago.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Mm-hmm. Okay. You said you started by saying well, at first you said you were gonna admit omit three, but then you ended up putting one of them in later because of the re-release. You just said, I'm omitting debut in Speak Now. You literally said, I'm just like not including them because like I wasn't a fan at the time. That's crazy. Crazy that you said that, particularly about speaknow. Yeah. I thought that was savage. Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

That's why I was like, you said that? I went, I sent you a text immediately be like, you won't believe what you said.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Like, because that's crazy. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

Then, anything to say on that?

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Yeah, um, I take back everything I said. I don't know who that was who said that. Um, I apologize. I can't wait till Bex hears this.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

She's going to come to she's going to drive to this house and bang your door down. Speak Now is now one of my favorite albums. Correct. Taylor's version's the Taylor version of Speak Now is bad. Um, we need to speak our truth. Uh, not bad, just not great. Um okay. Then I'm gonna go from seven to one, because this is Oh boy, crazy. Do we any guesses of what you put at number seven? No. Reputation. You really were just I did not. You were a flop. Tina Boots. Yeah. Oh my god. Seven.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

Uh-huh. Then Fearless Six, which like I still think is low, but okay. Folklore five. That probably is where it lands more or less fine still. Evermore four, red three, love. Yeah, that one was also surprising. Red, I think we were influenced a bit by Taylor's version because we had to abet. Because you'll see where it is on mine, and you'll be my my red placement is actually even more confusing. Lover, number two, and 1989, number one. Okay. So some of that speaks to what you were speaking about in the first half about maybe some affection. And I know you still do love 1989. But omitting Speak Now and Reputation at 7 is honestly disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah. I wow, I was really a fake fan.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

A fake fan? Yeah. Damn. Okay, you want you want to hear mine? Yes. Nowhere, nowhere near as bad. But still questionable. Um, debut was nine. And then here's the thing debut was not bad. And I look forward to when she re-records it and she's able to sing. Yes. Because some of Debut was very hard to listen to because she just is not yet. They haven't figured out how to sweeten it a little bit, and it's just a little, just a little rough. Lovers at eight. And honestly, that's still gonna be where there's well, it's like still gonna be. My issue with Lover is you can make a perfect album if you cut like half those songs. Yes. There is a perfect album, and there it's just not the one we got. I know. I put reputation at seven, which is crazy. That is crazy. Which I guess technically is the same place you put it, but you just yours it appears dead last because you didn't rank two of them. Uh I put Fearless at six, which is insane to me. Yeah. Um, Evermore is five, which is fair. Speak Now is four. Okay. 1989 is three, folklore is two, and red Talio's Taylor's version was one. What was I smoking? That's crazy. It's not one. That's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

We it must have been because of where like just the time. The explanation I gave for at least you didn't really get you didn't really explain much.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

You just said, this is what I'm saying. Damn. For oh, there's a there was that's an ant. Um what I said for Red was that it has like both the pop and the country stuff, which is not wrong, but like, girl, what?

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Yeah, like yeah, yeah. That's very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 28:31

Bizarre. It was bizarre. I also think I was like influenced as well because one of my favorite Taylor songs ever is Better Man, which she wrote for Little Big Town, and it's on Red Taylor's version. So I had like the fact that I now have a I used to listen to like a bootleg one from YouTube of her singing it. So like that I think may have influenced just my my feelings. Yeah. Um but I we I want we wanted to revisit what our rankings would be now.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yes. Would you like to redeem yourself first? Yes, I would. Please, after that garbage. Um, okay, so I didn't rank them before this, so I'm just gonna be shooting from Okay, the hip. Yeah, shooting from the hip. So number one, obviously should I start from number one or I could probably start from number one.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

If I try to go backwards, I was gonna say, I feel like while I'll go backwards, but you should go forwards because if you're just doing them offhand, going down up is not gonna work for you.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Um okay, so number one is obviously torture poets department. Okay, yeah, um, hands down, based on what you just said.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

I wanna say you two can get this custom jersey on um some website, but I I made this myself.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Um, number two, I think is gonna be 1989.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Okay, yeah, I can support.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Number three is gonna be speak now.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

See? Look how and look where she's come from.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

And that's called growth. But still I rise. And that's growth. Um, okay, number four is going to be see.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Here's where it gets tricky.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

I think I'm gonna do folklore.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

See? And it's because of what we said before is that as a piece of art, cohesively it's better than evermore.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Number five, I am gonna say lover. I did like you are a lover girl. I am a lover, girl. That was your error store era. Yep. Um, number six, I'm gonna say. Ugh, this is tough. This is tough. Getting challenging. I'm gonna say fearless. Yeah. Okay. Number seven, I'm gonna say evermore. Okay. Um, number eight, I'm going to say midnights, but that just seems so low.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Honestly, we all see my midnights is very similar, and it's actually not shade to midnights. It's just, I honestly sometimes forget. Yeah. Which is no shade to midnights. It's just like it's it she's done the pop perfection on other things a little bit better. And so it's alright, just you just like forget about it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Wait, no. I'm missing reputation. Um, where are you gonna put reputation? That's gotta be higher. See, I should have done this beforehand, but that's gotta be okay. So that's probably gonna be what I say fearless was six.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

You had to put so you want to put reputation five and then fearless six. I think I lover, reputation, fearless, fearless, evermore, midnights, and then what am I missing? Debuting debut, life of a showgirl in red. Oh shit. I think.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Probably Life of a Showgirl Red Debut Red.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Oh, that's wait, that's a hot take. I'm into it. Can we break this down? Why? Yeah, I just think I don't revisit it a lot either. I just I just think it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Like, listening again to debut, I just think there's some like bangers in there. There are like for that to be your first album, like that she's homophobia from the jump. Listen, I'm I'm all in. And I think red red is good, but like I'm just kind of over some of like the the singles.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

The issue with red is almost different, it's almost the opposite of the lover problem, is like I'm over the singles. Yeah, I do not want we I never need to hear we're never gonna be back together. 22 Trouble ever again. Yeah, but what what I come back to on red, particularly the Taylor's version one, because there's like some bonus stuff, but like because those are her best vault tracks, are the ones on red. Like, I Bet You Think About Me, Better Man, Message in a Bottle, um uh the one with Phoebe, nothing new. But then you get like State of Grace and Treacherous, and like there they're like so. There are I love the Ed Sharon duet on the album, like the everything has changed. Like there are good songs, but they're almost like they're secondary to the ones that we've they've been drilled into our head. Yeah and so you forget about them.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:44

State of Grace is I think maybe her best opener.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Well, the Fate of Ophelia is really good, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Uh but yeah, so I think that's okay. That's my ranking.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

I'm gonna read mine. I prepared, unlike some of us. Sorry. Um, here we go. Okay. Uh let's see. I'm gonna go from the bottom. Okay. Do I stand by this? This is kind of a crazy ranking now that I read it again. I just did it off of vibes. And my number one is a little shocking, but again, I went with I don't know. I just I I had to go off something, and I just went off something. Yeah, yeah. So debut at 12. Sorry, girl. Damn. Sorry. Lover 11. Oof. She really. And honestly, if Cruel Summer wasn't on wasn't on the album, we'd really be. And I really like, I think he knows. If those weren't on there, we'd really be tanking.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Um I put Life of a Showgirl at 10. Okay. And it's I don't we need to be clear. I like Life of a Showgirl. The girls, the girls are mean, it's dumb, it's fun. And I feel like it's it's 10 because of that. It's just there's nothing the only attempt at a serious, not a serious, of a of a more um like heartfelt song on it is unfortunately the worst track on the album. So it's kind of like I like having I'll play it, I like having a good time. I listen to it a lot. Yeah. But it's just like when I think about things, it's it's sort of like it's like candy. Yeah. It goes in and then I'm like, I want more something else. Um Midnight's nine, which is kind of where it landed for you, which again is no shade to Midnight. Midnight's is good. It's good. Um Evermore at eight, which feels and actually now, you know what? I'm doing a real live edit. I'm putting red at eight and evermore at seven. That just that just felt because again, I've said this before. The first five songs on Evermore are perfect, and then you know, um Aaron Destner starts singing. Um, so I'm I put it at seven. 1989 is six, which feels crazy, but I find myself going back to it less. Okay. I find myself not listening to it a lot, yeah. Which is crazy. Okay. Um, also, did you I just heard the um demo version of slut the other day that was featuring the 1975. It's like a leaked demo. Oh, wow. Because that wasn't that supposed to be on the album proper. It was supposed to be like the single. That's crazy. Um Speak Now at five.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Folklore at four.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

I put Tortured Poets Department at three. Okay. I put Reputation at two. Okay. And I put Fearless at one. Wow. Because I just think about that's the album that got me into it. And I listen to it. I listen to it and it brings me back to a very specific time. And I when you get to the top five up there, like they're all, they're all like they're all good. But like, yeah, when I start to have to parse between, it also starts to become a vibe. And that's why I like that, like those top three where it's like um Reputation, Torture Poets, and Fearless all have a vibe. Yeah. And I, depending on what mood I'm in, yes, I can put on any of those. Speak Now also falls into that, but I think um, I think some of the just I like some of the songwriting better on Fearless. Um and so that's where I all ultimately landed. Wow. Which feels Reputation was almost number one.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

That was she was she was real close. She was real close. It's so hard. When you have that many albums, it's hard to rank them because there's so many good ones, but they're all good, but like it's so hard to rank them, and then naturally there's gonna be a 10-11. Stuff has to fall down. Yeah, it's not saying that it's bad. And it feels wrong to put things lower when they're competing with such other great works of art. That's correct.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

It's like, but someone's gotta be at the bottom, yeah. And that's where we put debut. Well, that's where that's where you put red, which I get, but I I'm not I don't think you're wrong. I just think I just think it's a little crazy at the bottom. I know you don't love a a white and uh like a white and black stripe and a bold lip and a fedora.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

None of that none of that speaks to you. There are some incredible songs on there, but I just think of all of her works of art, yeah, red is the one I go to the least.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

Yeah, I know I think that's fair. I mean, that's why I ended up ranking 1989 lower because I just I like it, but I find myself just not going back to it. I think particularly because I think for a time it was like the pop album. Yeah. And now there are other pop albums. So if I want to listen to her do pop, I can listen to three other albums. Right. And it wasn't it used to be the only one. And like, oh, I used to have all I had all the Polaroids that came in like the booklet. I have well, we can get into this when we talk about tour. Let's talk about Taurus. Okay. I want to go with you first, because you saw her for the first time at the Aeros Store.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yes, I did. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

And what was that experience like for you?

SPEAKER_01 37:27

It was incredible, it was so incredible to be. Because I was in Pittsburgh, but yes, by this time, I I had not seen her before, but I was like a true fan. Okay, you were you were locked in. Like I was so excited to go, and we had so much fun. And we were in like what we call bad seats, but like the worst seats. We were in the cheap seats, yeah, which was like the like 500 level, and that was that was pitched, and it was pitched, and we were all the way at the end, like a couple people over was the edge of the section that was no one beyond.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

They were giving like they were giving like Kyle Dobie season tickets. Like we were in the we were we were in the corner, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Um, but even so, the view was incredible because we could see the entire like we had an aerial view of the stage, and the production value of that tour was so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

And particularly in Pittsburgh, we were we were on the side where we could see the city. The skyline like the other side didn't have the view that we did.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

We were seeing her perform and then this beautiful skyline of the city was buying. And she started performing when the sun was still up, so we saw the sunset and the skyline was lit in the back. And I have like the most incredible pictures from that tour. Um, but yeah, so I had so much fun and we were screaming and we were excited, and we we had a blast, and we had a few drinks.

SPEAKER_03 38:49

Well, and let's talk about that too, in terms of the getting of those, because we were we were we both we both achieved the ticket buying at different times. So for that one, that was the first like the terrible ticket master day. I had a doctor's appointment at one point. I'm there on my phone, and they're like doing like an exam on me, and I'm like, hi, I just have to stay on my phone. Um we um I ended up getting those four. So I don't know, I still don't know how. I still don't know how when we when you got them the second time, that made a little bit more sense because we were going for a higher price point. Yes. I don't know how I did that in highscape because like it was just insane. And yeah, I think I just grabbed the first four that were I think we had said like you know, if they we could find some like under $200 or whatever, yeah. I think they ended up being like $160. Um that was crazy. And then the second time I was in Greece, yes, and I remember on my honeymoon, I just sent you a text being like, My limit's $500. You were like, Okay, thanks. Yeah, and I went to bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I woke up and I slept on my Aeristore hoodie.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

I woke up and I saw a text that said we had tickets, and I was like, Yeah, and that was one of the most stressful things I've ever gone through because I knew going into this, I got like the code for the the early access or the whatever. And this one was Toronto, and this was in Toronto, and we knew we wanted good seats, like we had seen the tour already, and we were like, this is it's worth paying for, it's worth paying for. Um, at the time, did we know about Tortured Poets being added? No, no, no, I don't think so. I think before she even entered the colour.

SPEAKER_03 40:24

I think we just I think we just went because we wanted to go again because I think she put I believe the European dates and the second US leg all went on sale around the same time.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Yeah, so we didn't know yes, so it wasn't even announced that she was doing we were just like, wait, we want to go again. Yeah, because the album wasn't released, but we knew we wanted good seats because we experienced it from the back. Now we wanted to be up front, and I got the code, and I have never been more stressed in my life trying to get these tickets, and I was able to get floor seats, like eighth row, eighth row right on the diamond, right on the diamond of the end stage. We were on the side where she spent most of her time, most of her time, yeah. And I I still laugh thinking about it because I'm just like, did I can't believe that also in hindsight?

SPEAKER_03 41:12

I'm thinking about this now. Like normally we'd be like texting during this, like, I was asleep.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

You had you were just like you you against the world. Literally, literally, I had no one to like talk to about it, and I was just so stressed. Like I literally was sweating. You did it though, and I got the tickets, and I was picking ones that and like it happened where they would disappear or they would be in my cart, and I would go to check out and it would say these seats are not available anymore. And so I finally got four right on the aisle. Yeah, they were fabulous seats. Yes, yes, right by the diamond, and I paid and I got the confirmation that it was it went through, and I was like, Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

That's the two ti I I've been lucky now, and I've I've seen her four times, two with you. The other two were the Red Tour and the Reputation Stadium Tour. The Reputation Stadium Tour was in Toronto as well. And so I guess I've only Pittsburgh was the only time I've not seen her in Toronto. The um the what they did for Reputation, and I'm gonna say, bring it back. Um, there was like a thing where you would like earn points. I also had tickets for Loverfest. Yes, and that got which I think is why you got that. Is kind of what we've discussed before, is that we think maybe there was a priority that I got code because I had bought six Loverfest tickets. Because it was the same group of us that had gone to see Reputation because it was only like a year and a half later, and we were gonna go to Boston. Yeah, um the uh that used to be her the reputation draw was like the more stuff you bought from her website, you like got more points. Listen, which is capitalist true capitalist Barbie. But I so I have like I have like multiple reputation shirts. I have a keychain. Do you remember when she she she did these like magazines? They were like albums were in it, but it was like a full magazine with pictures. I have like four of them. Oh wow, because I just bought whatever was affordable, and so I ended up getting tickets for six of us to see the reputation tour. So I have knock on wood, I've got good luck with her. I've I've I've not I've never been denied seats when attempting to get them. But I feel I mean we'll see what she's gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

If she goes on tour again.

SPEAKER_03 43:17

Although actually at this point, we might be in people are getting pretty uh annoyed. I feel like we might have an easier time now.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

Listen, be be annoyed with her.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

Correct. Don't go.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

Don't go. Don't go to the city. Don't buy tickets. You don't want to go.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

No, say them for us. Yeah. Um, no, but it was really it was really amazing, especially to to being at that that first show with you when you hadn't seen her. Um I remember just very excited about it fuck what the haters say.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

She is good live. Like she is fantastic live.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

I've never I've I I've even when I saw her in the Red Tour, I remember when I saw her on the Red Tour, people were that was big, like she can't sing energy. And I was like, guys, I sh maybe I'm just hearing something different. Like, she's not a vocalist of the ages, but she sounded great on the Red Tour in 2012.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Yeah, 2013. Yeah, and she's come such a large Way. Like I haven't seen her live before the Eros Tour, so I can't speak to her technique. But um from what I have seen, and I know she's worked so hard.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

She's also singing. That's why so much of the if you're gonna do a three-hour show, that's why so much of the Eros Tour was focal on Evermore because it's written in this lower part of her voice. Yeah, that stuff from 1989 and red is like in such a break part of her voice, yeah, that you're just yelling.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

And so it's it's that's why so much of her newer stuff was in the tour because it's just in the better part of her voice.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Yeah. But still like doing the when she added Torture Post Apartment, it was like a three and a half concert of non-stop singing.

SPEAKER_03 44:39

Because she didn't cut that much, no, she cut maybe like four or five songs from collectively from all of the things, yeah, and added like eight or nine. It was crazy. It's crazy. And then what were our what were our surprise songs the first night were oh I remember seven? Seated for seven. But she redeemed it with the story of us. Correct. Yes. That was she brought out Aaron Dustner, and I like a lot of the songs that he's written. I just like don't like seven, even as a folklore stand, and then I remember like I remember sitting down. Yeah, I was not pleased that we had seven. And the night before our friends were there and they had gotten Mr. Perfectly Fine and something else. I forget what it was. I don't remember. I was like, you pretended to be excited for Mr. Perfectly Fine.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

It was Colin who posted the video of him, his live reaction.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

We were like, You're not that excited for it. You don't know the words for the sign. And then when we saw her again, she did um she which I actually went back and looked at what I saw for Reputation because I was like, the songs are documented. Like I can see what I did. She did clean. Oh wow. Oh also, that's when she would bring on surprise guests. Do you know who Brian Adams is?

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

Yeah, he came out in Toronto and they did summer of 69 together. Oh wow. Bizarre.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Which she did surprise songs in the Reputation Tour.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

Yeah, which is just a one-on-one piano. Oh. It wasn't, it wasn't the same level of fervor. Okay. I think it was a little bit more like what Gaga did on the on the um uh the house mayhem ball, where she would like just rotate between like 10 or so of them. And so it wasn't fully like she's not gonna pull out something like she did on the Eros Tour from six albums ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

Um, but when we saw her, it was her and her and Gracie Abrams, and they did us mashed up with Out of the Woods. And she did Your On Your Own Kid on Piano. Yes, and she mashed it up with something. Oh um, because I remember for a second not knowing and feeling really stupid. It was it was from um long story short.

SPEAKER_03 46:30

Yes, because I remember Which I was like, this is this is there was a moment where I was like, what's going on? Until she got into the chorus of it. I was like, oh yeah. I'm still not convinced that Gracie Abrams was not a humiliation ritual. It was it was giving like Keen Cñera, where like you like put your like your like girl in the worst dress. Like Gracie's not a good singer, and I like Gracie Abrams, like I like her music, I love her music, not a good singer, and she like put her out on that stage so she would attempt a riff, and then Taylor looks like the vocalist of the ages next to her. I'm not convinced that wasn't what was happening, but she looked so gorgeous in that dress. Oh, she did in that in that white dress in that white dress, and it looked like no bra. No, those titties were bouncing, bouncing mama. You know if she's dating Paul Meskell? Yeah, she was at the Oscars with him. Uh-huh. Um, but yeah, and I feel like we didn't watch much of Gracie's set. She was the tour, I think she was the opener both times we went, but she was much more famous when we were at Toronto. Was she the opener for this first? I don't even think we went. Like I think we just got there, like I don't think we like planned to see her.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Huh. Because we were also like it was so to double check your work on that because I simply don't remember. I know we did walk in and the first thing we wanted were drinks. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

So and that same thing happened at Toronto when we wanted those drinks with the friendship bracelet. Yes. Because I remember hearing I love you, I'm sorry, as we were getting the drinks. Like we heard her. Yeah, but we didn't really see her.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Yeah, no, my my priority was definitely in Toronto to get that cocktail that comes with the friendship bracelet. Which we went to several concession stands to obtain because they were sold out in certain concession stands, and I said, No, I need the friendship bracelet.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

And it was like a purple-y drink.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Yes. The lavender haze, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Yes. Do you know who you know the comedian Caleb Heron?

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Um, I think so. He's like, Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, with the glasses. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

He was just doing, he was on Kylie Kelsey's podcast. Okay. He was talking about going to the Eros Torre, and he was like, It was like, it was amazing, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, and this little girl comes up to me and she's like, has these bracelets? And I'm like, oh, cool. Like, he's like, Oh, you want some of them? And I'm like, sure. And he goes, and he goes, and he goes, I'm not making this up. Dead ass. She hands me two bracelets, one says gay guy, and the other one says like fat bitch or something. It's like she clocked your teeth down. But um Bummer, we didn't see Sabrina at any of our things. I know. Did Kylan Bex and Novate? They had Paramore in Europe.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

Yes. Which is crazy. Was it no? It was the in Glendale when they went to Arizona for like the opening.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

But they also did all of the European leg. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

I'll have to we'll have to check in with her, but I'm pretty sure Paramore did all almost all of the European leg. Wow. Um, yeah, I'm bummed. I'm bummed that we never saw Sabrina. She did a lot of like South America. And like West Coast. Yeah. She she was like, I'm not going there. It's cold. Yeah. And it was different seeing it. Oh, I should share this story. So the reason I have this is we could talk about outfits. Yes. I was trying to find an outfit because we didn't I didn't realize that the top would be on. For some reason I thought we were gonna be in Toronto and it was gonna be like open air and we were gonna be freezing. Oh yeah, because it we saw her in November. So I was trying to find outfits and I was like, I'll do the Evermore coat. Oh so I ordered this coat. When I tell you, it was like screen printed. It was there was no like knit. It was like if I printed the piece of paper that had a coat on it. We'll post it on the Instagram. Yeah. The world needs to see how ugly this coat was. You can't wear that.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

No, you can't. You can't.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

What did you what era did you do the second time?

SPEAKER_01 49:59

I did midnights.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Midnight, and you did Lover the first time.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

I did Lover the first time, which I fucking loved that outfit. I had these cute little jean shorts with my white converse, and I had the blue sparkly like shirt. And I did the the pink glitter heart around my eyes.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

You were so much hotter the first time. I was so skinny. I was so skinny and fit. Oh my god, I wore, which I would never wear now, basically a two-piece bodysuit. The plethora. I had no, it was the sequins. Oh it was the same outfit. Oh, the leather was for Gaga. But it was the same outfit. It was like the sequin. I had, I was chafed. But I had it was basically this like tank top. I was the girls were out. Yeah. Again, I looked great, but like we don't look like that anymore. I know. Even you look back and you look, you look at the second one, you go, they're both wearing coats. Well, yes. They're wearing jackets and jeans. Uh-huh. Yeah, I think Matthew did Reputation. Didn't he? I feel like he did Reputation.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

He had a he had a black shirt with gold like it's like.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

It said like R E P on it, I remember. It was the Reputation Font.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

It said um uh It was the Reputation Font, but I think it had a quote on it, which was like a lyric. Um, what was it? It's I'm gonna look it up.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

And then Elena did Lavender Haze. Yes. She was in like full lavender guiche. Yes. And then the second time we saw it, Josh did the what's the thing from the music video? The um You You Belong With Me.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Yeah, the uh uh Oh god, what's that one?

SPEAKER_03 51:29

Something Jules. Yeah. Jules, what is it? Jump in, jump in, Jules, what is it? Speak, Valentina, what isn't? Oh, I found it. Oh, look at how county that picture is.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

Yeah, that was such a good picture.

SPEAKER_03 51:45

Okay, where like look at who is she? Wow, look at those legs.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Look at those left. I mean, look at all of us. I know. What um oh, familiarity breeds contempt. Yes, you're a slut.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Yeah. That's what the shirt says. Yes. Wow. We look at who are those people. I know. I mean, honestly, you don't really look that different.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

I loved that. I loved that whole experience. That was so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

You can see. Oh my god. And I did, I did the Aerostour nails. You did? I did so the first leg of the tour. She had the nails per album, and I did the full set of nails.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Sophia did them on me. Yeah. For the the shareholders listening, you I highly recommend going to our Instagram, going deep in the archives. We'll share some to the story and to see what we're looking at and talking about.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

Get some engagement on the old on the old posts. Um okay, well, we'll take a break and we'll come back with the titular segment. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

And we're back.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

I have this new thing where I start talking when we start twit twisting the ice, which is just not helpful. I was about to say, you gotta drink your drink, Diva. Um so my okay, so I'm gonna go first for our titular segments. Mary Did You Know segment. Um Mary, did you know that everyone puts out vinyl variants? And it's not just Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Okay, speak on it. And here's the thing on it.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

And we can have a conversation about like how should Billboard count those? Like, I think they're and they already do have things where they only count four. Yeah, I mean, yeah, and it's a little hard. I mean, you can't it's like four from like an IP address. Like, there are ways it happens, but yeah, they only can't they they only count four. But it's like every artist is doing this, and I'm down for a conversation about like it's annoying across the board. Like, we were just talking about the fact that like you have a couple different copies of Tortured Poets, and it's because we wanted on vinyl the one song that's on the one, and like the artist knows that, yes, and that's why they do that. Like, I get emails. I spoke about the Hillary Duff album the other day asking me to buy four different versions of it. Like every artist does this, it's the issue, which the girls don't want to get into is your fave, no one's buying them. Correct, and that's the problem. And it's not to say that yeah, it means that your fave isn't talented, your fave isn't incredible, but it's like you're just mad that she has people who want to buy things.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Yes, so those are the things that's she's at number one, and people are trying to find any reason they can to take that away from her.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

Because, and again, it'd be different if she was the only person doing this. Yeah, there'd be a there'd be a different conversation. Okay, well, this is like, but everyone is doing this. Like also, the other thing is like there was all this shit with like again, not to get into like the Charlie versus Taylor thing of it all, which is really stupid. But like when Bratt was coming out, people were like, she was releasing, you know, more variants, and like she's blocking Charlie on the chart. It's like, well, no mama, the other five people in between them are the problem. Like let's not really have this conversation about like where people are charting. Like it's because it's again, it's just like there are a limited amount of people that are in a certain space, yeah. And in terms of like, it's honestly Taylor and Beyonce. Like, if we're gonna if we're if we're gonna be real, like they they are there are other artists who are of a crazy level. You've got people, I'd say like, and I'm just talking about like sales and impact. You've got people like Gaga, and I think that's the second tier of it, has a level of it's like Gaga, and people like not like particularly care for him, but like Harry Styles, like that level of like fame and sales is still massive and still still huge. Yeah, but like there's a reason why Taylor and Beyonce went to each other's concert tour openings, yeah, because they are in a league of their own. They are peers. That they they are peers, they are peers. They can never be tried for a crime because a jury of their peer is the other is the other person. Yes, yeah, yeah. Um again, that sounds uh I I don't I need to go back because it sounds like I was shading Gaga. I am a Gaga stand in no way. I just mean like she's not doing sales on that level, and also she has she has she has an Oscar. She doesn't need to Oscar, and they don't. So it's like everyone achieves things on different levels, but correct purely in terms of of the the the music sales and like the the the touring that level, it's like that they are the only two, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

At that and I uh this might be a hot take, but I don't care that Taylor is competitive and wants to be number one. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Like if she was a man, people wouldn't care.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

People wouldn't care, and also like this is what athletes do. You know what I mean? Like everyone wants to be number one, correct.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

And that's why that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:35

That's okay to want to be the best, and that's why she has found whatever you think of her relationship, that's why her relationship works because she found someone who was very successful in a completely in a completely different field. Yes, and there's no animosity, and they're both competitive, no anger, and they're both both want to be the best. Like he's playing three more seasons, apparently, which is making no fucking sense because his time has passed. Is that true? Yeah, he signed a three-year extension.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

Like, girl, hang it up. Hang it up, grandpa.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

So do you think they're gonna have kids?

SPEAKER_03 57:03

Oh, certainly.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

Soon?

SPEAKER_03 57:04

I I would imagine immediately.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Because also she again, this is not I'm not like being shady. She's not getting any younger. So if she and I she strikes me as someone who wants multiple kids, yeah. So she probably wants to get started.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Right.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

Because she's what, 35? No, I think she's she's born in 1989. I'm 34, so she's 36. 36, yeah. So it's like, yeah, she wants to she's gonna be 37 in December. So yeah, so she wants to she wants to get going. So yeah, I think I mean I've said this before. I think she's going, I think she's going to have at least one child, and when she's gonna come back with the 13th album, and it's gonna be country themed. You what's that thing of Caroline Manzo? You heard it, you heard it. You heard it here first. 13th album is gonna be a return to country. You heard it here first.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

That would be incredible. I mean, whatever she decides to do, I'm in full support. I love her so much.

SPEAKER_03 57:56

You know, there there are certain people like I pre-ordered the Olivia album on vinyl. I ain't hear a damn thing. Yeah, but I just did it because I was like, I know, I know support the girls. I know I I am supporting the girls. Uh-huh. And speaking of that, speaking of supporting the girls, what's your marriage?

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Did you know? Um, okay. And I think we might have talked about this last time, so this might not be a shock. Um, but Mary, did you know that part of the reason, actually one of the biggest reasons why we're going to London for our honeymoon is so I can go to the black dogs.

unknown 58:26

The black dog.

SPEAKER_01 58:27

You better look up the hours, D.Va. What if you walk up and it's closed? I know, I know. Um, I need to find out, first of all, where it is. Um, it's in London, right? You actually, yeah, it is. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

What if I was like, no, you actually need to look up, and this was the other thing on our podcast from before I did I blatantly talk about how bad the song London Boy is, and I do kind of stand by it. But you should you should look up like the locations that are in London Boy, because there's a cute little Instagram there. Oh, yeah. Like Brixton. Oh, there's always like places she mentions. You could like go to the neighborhoods and do a little yeah, could could do a little video.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Yeah, but honestly, Black Dog is the Black Dog pub is really why I want to go to London. Um, so be on the lookout for that Instagram post in late September. Oh, I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

It's always this is about to sound so dumb. When you're on a vacation like that, like your honeymoon specifically. When I say vacation like that, I mean your honeymoon, um, which you'll only go on one, hopefully. Um the um my first honeymoon. Your first honeymoon, your current husband. Uh-huh. Um, what's something that's interesting is like when do you post starts to become a thing. Because like when I was in, I wasn't like when I was in Greece in London, there was a part of me that wanted to be like, I'm not posting anything until I'm back. I'm gonna live in the moment. And I was like, Well, I look great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ultimately, you'll do the same thing. You'll do like you'll do a post here, a post here when you move the locations. But there was a part of me that was like, I'm having time in my life, I don't need to share anything. But then I think it was specifically when we took the photo before we went to Cabaret, and I was in those giant pants, and I was like, I look cunty. Yeah, I go, I'm posting. The world needs to see. The world needs to see. Yeah, but it is it is a thing where I I started to think about like, well, like, no, like I want to like be in the moment, but then I was like, but also everyone wants to know what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true, it's true. So, um, and also that's the only time Matt ever posts anything is when he's on vacation.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

And that needs to that needs to be transvestigated.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

She turns it on a vacation.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

She really does. Like, who is she?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

A vacation girl. She is posting, she's tagging, she's reposting, she got jokes. Yes, it's a dick. It's a and I said those thumbs get to work. And I told you this before we went to Italy. I said, you're about to see. Yeah. This man is posting. Yes. That's true. And I love it. That's true. I love the content. We love it. We'd love to see it. Yeah. Okay, well. We've yapped, we've yapped enough today. I think this is our first episode that's only over over an hour. Well, because we really were going at it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

Listen, when it comes to Taylor Swift, the girls can chat. We got shit to say. Yeah. So, okay, well, um, well, happy 11th episode. Happy anniversary to the Tortured Poets Department. And until next time. Bye. Bye.