{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":78.66999999999999,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs."},{"startTime":79.14999999999999,"endTime":84.03,"body":"Millions of data points, names, themes and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.71,"endTime":101.07,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.07,"endTime":101.87,"body":"It's good to be here."},{"startTime":101.94999999999999,"endTime":105.38999999999999,"body":"So today's topic, it's a big one, maybe the biggest."},{"startTime":105.38999999999999,"endTime":108.82999999999998,"body":"It's the name that 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our"},{"startTime":686.57,"endTime":688.65,"body":"plane, it reads more like a demand."},{"startTime":688.97,"endTime":690.69,"body":"More like, I provided a service."},{"startTime":690.69,"endTime":691.69,"body":"Now, where is the payment?"},{"startTime":691.69,"endTime":693.69,"body":"Or at least calculate the bill so we can send"},{"startTime":693.69,"endTime":694.01,"body":"it over."},{"startTime":694.25,"endTime":695.45,"body":"But why would Clinton pay?"},{"startTime":695.45,"endTime":697.77,"body":"I mean, I thought the whole point of having billionaire"},{"startTime":697.77,"endTime":699.85,"body":"friends was getting free rides on their jets."},{"startTime":700.01,"endTime":700.89,"body":"Ethics rules."},{"startTime":701.37,"endTime":705.21,"body":"Even former politicians have to be incredibly careful about gifts."},{"startTime":705.6800000000001,"endTime":708.32,"body":"Paying for charter travel, even if it's at a discount,"},{"startTime":708.48,"endTime":710.08,"body":"is a way to keep the books clean."},{"startTime":710.48,"endTime":713.84,"body":"If Clinton's team insisted on being billed to avoid any"},{"startTime":713.84,"endTime":717.12,"body":"ethics violations, that would generate a paper trail."},{"startTime":717.36,"endTime":720.32,"body":"But if Epstein's side is writing I expect the bill,"},{"startTime":720.64,"endTime":723.52,"body":"it sounds like maybe that paper trail wasn't being generated"},{"startTime":723.52,"endTime":724.96,"body":"fast enough for their liking."},{"startTime":725.12,"endTime":726.32,"body":"Or he was just annoyed."},{"startTime":726.48,"endTime":729.64,"body":"It makes the whole relationship feel much more transactional."},{"startTime":729.64,"endTime":731.36,"body":"Like, look, we did you a favor."},{"startTime":731.36,"endTime":732.24,"body":"Now settle up."},{"startTime":732.24,"endTime":734.95,"body":"It kind of breaks that image of Epstein as this"},{"startTime":734.95,"endTime":738.11,"body":"infinitely generous billionaire just handing out gifts."},{"startTime":738.11,"endTime":739.59,"body":"It shows he was keeping score."},{"startTime":739.75,"endTime":742.27,"body":"I mean, people who keep score usually intend to cash"},{"startTime":742.27,"endTime":743.39,"body":"in their chips at some point."},{"startTime":743.39,"endTime":744.23,"body":"That's exactly right."},{"startTime":744.23,"endTime":746.47,"body":"Okay, so we have the flights, we have the Africa"},{"startTime":746.5500000000001,"endTime":748.63,"body":"trip, we have the Secret Service detail."},{"startTime":748.63,"endTime":752.3100000000001,"body":"That makes the Mile High club trafficking theories pretty unlikely"},{"startTime":752.3100000000001,"endTime":753.91,"body":"during those specific trips."},{"startTime":753.99,"endTime":756.07,"body":"But now we have to go to the big one."},{"startTime":756.15,"endTime":756.87,"body":"The island."},{"startTime":757.27,"endTime":759.99,"body":"The holy grail of the Clinton Epstein rumors."},{"startTime":760.33,"endTime":760.69,"body":"Little St."},{"startTime":760.69,"endTime":761.0500000000001,"body":"James."},{"startTime":761.21,"endTime":764.41,"body":"The question that has fueled a million conspiracy theories."},{"startTime":764.8100000000001,"endTime":768.49,"body":"Did Bill Clinton ever set foot on Jeffrey Epstein's private"},{"startTime":768.57,"endTime":769.0500000000001,"body":"island?"},{"startTime":769.53,"endTime":772.45,"body":"Well, if you listen to the sources from, you know,"},{"startTime":772.45,"endTime":775.49,"body":"the underground railroad radio or the war room clips we"},{"startTime":775.49,"endTime":778.0500000000001,"body":"have in our stack for today, the answer is a"},{"startTime":778.0500000000001,"endTime":779.53,"body":"resounding screaming yes."},{"startTime":780.25,"endTime":783.01,"body":"The narrative in that ecosystem is that he was a"},{"startTime":783.01,"endTime":786.33,"body":"regular visitor, that he practically had his own villa there."},{"startTime":786.75,"endTime":788.07,"body":"But we're not just looking at the narrative."},{"startTime":788.07,"endTime":789.03,"body":"We're looking at the files."},{"startTime":789.03,"endTime":790.6700000000001,"body":"What do the actual documents say?"},{"startTime":790.75,"endTime":793.07,"body":"For that, we have to turn to the deposition of"},{"startTime":793.07,"endTime":794.27,"body":"Ghislaine Maxwell."},{"startTime":794.59,"endTime":796.51,"body":"Now, we have to start with a big caveat here."},{"startTime":796.51,"endTime":799.3100000000001,"body":"Ghislaine Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker."},{"startTime":799.3100000000001,"endTime":800.6700000000001,"body":"She's co conspirator."},{"startTime":800.75,"endTime":802.35,"body":"Her word is not gospel."},{"startTime":802.6700000000001,"endTime":803.23,"body":"Of course."},{"startTime":803.63,"endTime":807.11,"body":"However, this was testimony given under oath and perjury 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significant because in those same"},{"startTime":836.0,"endTime":838.32,"body":"depositions, she's evasive about other things."},{"startTime":838.32,"endTime":840.84,"body":"She admits to some things, but on this specific point,"},{"startTime":840.84,"endTime":841.96,"body":"she is direct and firm."},{"startTime":842.33,"endTime":844.73,"body":"And once more, within the flight logs that were released"},{"startTime":844.73,"endTime":847.41,"body":"in this specific tranche of data, there are no entries"},{"startTime":847.41,"endTime":850.0500000000001,"body":"showing Epstein's plane landings in St Thomas or the Virgin"},{"startTime":850.0500000000001,"endTime":851.85,"body":"Islands with Bill Clinton on the manifest."},{"startTime":851.9300000000001,"endTime":854.37,"body":"So the flight logs we have actually match her testimony"},{"startTime":854.37,"endTime":856.85,"body":"on this point in this specific data set."},{"startTime":856.85,"endTime":859.2900000000001,"body":"Yes, they 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story."},{"startTime":904.66,"endTime":905.9,"body":"Wholly fabricated."},{"startTime":905.9,"endTime":908.62,"body":"I mean, that is some seriously aggressive language for an"},{"startTime":908.62,"endTime":909.4200000000001,"body":"internal note."},{"startTime":909.4200000000001,"endTime":909.94,"body":"It is."},{"startTime":909.94,"endTime":912.1,"body":"This is most likely defense work product."},{"startTime":912.58,"endTime":915.74,"body":"Their job is to find ways to destroy the credibility"},{"startTime":915.74,"endTime":916.66,"body":"of the accusers."},{"startTime":917.22,"endTime":918.5,"body":"But look at the phrasing."},{"startTime":918.5,"endTime":920.4200000000001,"body":"They don't just say, we should deny this."},{"startTime":920.58,"endTime":921.86,"body":"They say, ask her."},{"startTime":921.86,"endTime":923.3000000000001,"body":"Wholly fabricated story."},{"startTime":924.1,"endTime":927.0600000000001,"body":"It implies they believe they have contradictory evidence."},{"startTime":927.3000000000001,"endTime":927.78,"body":"Like what?"},{"startTime":927.78,"endTime":928.66,"body":"What could they have?"},{"startTime":929.02,"endTime":933.98,"body":"Travel records, receipts, and most importantly, Secret Service logs."},{"startTime":934.3000000000001,"endTime":937.46,"body":"If Virginia Roberts says, I had dinner with Bill Clinton"},{"startTime":937.46,"endTime":940.38,"body":"on the island on January 5, and the defense team"},{"startTime":940.38,"endTime":943.0600000000001,"body":"has a photo and logs of Bill Clinton giving a"},{"startTime":943.0600000000001,"endTime":945.78,"body":"speech in Los Angeles on January 5th, they know they"},{"startTime":945.78,"endTime":946.3000000000001,"body":"have her."},{"startTime":946.38,"endTime":948.3000000000001,"body":"They know they can prove she is lying, or at"},{"startTime":948.3000000000001,"endTime":950.94,"body":"the very least mistaken about that specific 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cgi."},{"startTime":1043.18,"endTime":1046.78,"body":"This was Bill Clinton's entire post presidency lifeblood."},{"startTime":1047.26,"endTime":1049.62,"body":"He wanted to solve the world's biggest problems."},{"startTime":1049.62,"endTime":1052.3799999999999,"body":"Aids, poverty, climate change."},{"startTime":1052.62,"endTime":1054.3799999999999,"body":"And to do that, you need money."},{"startTime":1054.46,"endTime":1056.18,"body":"You need massive amounts of money."},{"startTime":1056.18,"endTime":1058.82,"body":"And Jeffrey Epstein, whatever else he was, had access to"},{"startTime":1058.82,"endTime":1059.1,"body":"money."},{"startTime":1059.26,"endTime":1061.22,"body":"Or at least he projected that he did."},{"startTime":1061.22,"endTime":1063.02,"body":"He projected immense wealth."},{"startTime":1063.34,"endTime":1066.3,"body":"And in that same Maxwell transcript, she discusses her and"},{"startTime":1066.3,"endTime":1068.06,"body":"Epstein's association with the 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flex."},{"startTime":1298.74,"endTime":1301.34,"body":"It was a way of saying, I own this guy."},{"startTime":1301.34,"endTime":1302.3799999999999,"body":"I can make fun of him."},{"startTime":1302.3799999999999,"endTime":1303.54,"body":"I know his secrets."},{"startTime":1303.78,"endTime":1305.02,"body":"It's so subversive."},{"startTime":1305.02,"endTime":1306.1799999999998,"body":"It's not a portrait of honor."},{"startTime":1306.1799999999998,"endTime":1307.86,"body":"It's a portrait of humiliation."},{"startTime":1307.86,"endTime":1308.98,"body":"That's it exactly."},{"startTime":1309.2199999999998,"endTime":1311.4599999999998,"body":"It suggested that behind all the smiles on their trips"},{"startTime":1311.4599999999998,"endTime":1314.31,"body":"to Africa, Epstein viewed Clinton with a certain level of"},{"startTime":1314.31,"endTime":1316.4699999999998,"body":"contempt, or at least saw him as a plaything."},{"startTime":1316.7099999999998,"endTime":1319.6699999999998,"body":"It reinforces the idea that Epstein was a predator in"},{"startTime":1319.6699999999998,"endTime":1320.79,"body":"every sense of the word."},{"startTime":1320.9499999999998,"endTime":1323.87,"body":"He preyed on the vulnerable for sex and crayed on"},{"startTime":1323.87,"endTime":1326.1499999999999,"body":"the powerful for status and his own amusement."},{"startTime":1326.23,"endTime":1329.07,"body":"It really paints a profile of Epstein as a narcissist"},{"startTime":1329.07,"endTime":1330.4699999999998,"body":"of the absolute highest order."},{"startTime":1330.7099999999998,"endTime":1332.07,"body":"A malignant narcissist."},{"startTime":1332.23,"endTime":1335.6299999999999,"body":"He had this need to devalue the very people he"},{"startTime":1335.6299999999999,"endTime":1336.1499999999999,"body":"envied."},{"startTime":1336.31,"endTime":1338.9499999999998,"body":"He envied Clinton's legitimate earned power."},{"startTime":1339.35,"endTime":1341.35,"body":"So he had to find a way to mock it,"},{"startTime":1341.35,"endTime":1342.7099999999998,"body":"to bring it down to his level."},{"startTime":1342.7099999999998,"endTime":1345.49,"body":"Okay, let's pivot now to the fallout, because you really"},{"startTime":1345.49,"endTime":1348.4099999999999,"body":"can't talk about Clinton and Epstein without talking about the"},{"startTime":1348.4099999999999,"endTime":1352.6499999999999,"body":"absolute firestorm of media coverage and conspiracy theories that surrounds"},{"startTime":1352.6499999999999,"endTime":1352.9299999999998,"body":"them."},{"startTime":1353.09,"endTime":1355.4099999999999,"body":"We have a whole stack of audio sources here."},{"startTime":1355.6499999999999,"endTime":1359.49,"body":"Underground Railroad, radio, War room, Buck Sexton."},{"startTime":1359.57,"endTime":1360.53,"body":"The narrative war."},{"startTime":1360.61,"endTime":1361.73,"body":"It really is a war."},{"startTime":1361.73,"endTime":1364.77,"body":"And looking at These clips from 2016, 2017, leading up"},{"startTime":1364.77,"endTime":1368.09,"body":"to the 2020 election, the intensity is just off the"},{"startTime":1368.09,"endTime":1368.53,"body":"charts."},{"startTime":1368.61,"endTime":1373.0,"body":"The name Epstein becomes a political weapon, and specifically, a"},{"startTime":1373.0,"endTime":1374.7199999999998,"body":"weapon to be used against the Clintons."},{"startTime":1374.9599999999998,"endTime":1377.52,"body":"You see the facts that we've just discussed, the flights,"},{"startTime":1377.6,"endTime":1380.9599999999998,"body":"the foundation connection, they provided a grain of truth."},{"startTime":1380.9599999999998,"endTime":1383.6799999999998,"body":"And around that single grain of truth, a pearl of"},{"startTime":1383.6799999999998,"endTime":1385.36,"body":"absolute insanity was formed."},{"startTime":1385.36,"endTime":1388.08,"body":"We have sources in our stack discussing the Clinton 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that Clinton had him killed"},{"startTime":1412.01,"endTime":1412.85,"body":"to keep him quiet."},{"startTime":1412.85,"endTime":1415.53,"body":"That is the core allegation you hear in the conspiracy"},{"startTime":1415.53,"endTime":1416.05,"body":"sphere."},{"startTime":1416.37,"endTime":1418.9299999999998,"body":"But again, if we're sticking to the files, the justice"},{"startTime":1419.4099999999999,"endTime":1422.9299999999998,"body":"documents, the internal emails, there is zero evidence of a"},{"startTime":1422.9299999999998,"endTime":1423.1699999999998,"body":"hit."},{"startTime":1423.6599999999999,"endTime":1426.58,"body":"There is zero evidence of outside involvement in his death"},{"startTime":1426.58,"endTime":1428.9399999999998,"body":"to be found in these specific documents."},{"startTime":1428.9399999999998,"endTime":1431.4199999999998,"body":"What the files do show is gross negligence."},{"startTime":1431.5,"endTime":1434.1799999999998,"body":"Guards were sleeping, cameras were broken, which is its own"},{"startTime":1434.1799999999998,"endTime":1435.1,"body":"massive scandal."},{"startTime":1435.5,"endTime":1438.54,"body":"But it's a scandal of incompetence, not necessarily a conspiracy"},{"startTime":1438.54,"endTime":1439.1799999999998,"body":"assassination."},{"startTime":1439.259,"endTime":1439.6999999999998,"body":"Okay?"},{"startTime":1439.6999999999998,"endTime":1442.54,"body":"At least not based on these documents, but the perception"},{"startTime":1442.54,"endTime":1443.6999999999998,"body":"is incredibly powerful."},{"startTime":1443.6999999999998,"endTime":1444.74,"body":"And then there's Pizzagate."},{"startTime":1444.74,"endTime":1447.82,"body":"We have a source here with the headline Pizzagate bombshell."},{"startTime":1447.82,"endTime":1449.82,"body":"Clinton connection to Laura Silsby."},{"startTime":1449.99,"endTime":1453.1899999999998,"body":"Right, and this is where multiple unrelated theories get conflated"},{"startTime":1453.1899999999998,"endTime":1455.11,"body":"into one giant super conspiracy."},{"startTime":1455.51,"endTime":1458.59,"body":"Laura Silsbee was involved in a controversy about taking children"},{"startTime":1458.59,"endTime":1460.3899999999999,"body":"out of Haiti after the earthquake."},{"startTime":1460.55,"endTime":1464.31,"body":"The conspiracy theorists link Silsbee to the Clintons because the"},{"startTime":1464.31,"endTime":1466.6299999999999,"body":"Clintons were involved in the diplomatic efforts in Haiti."},{"startTime":1466.87,"endTime":1469.3899999999999,"body":"Then they link the Clintons to Epstein, and then they"},{"startTime":1469.3899999999999,"endTime":1472.11,"body":"link Epstein to a non existent basement in a pizza"},{"startTime":1472.11,"endTime":1473.6699999999998,"body":"parlor in Washington D.C."},{"startTime":1473.75,"endTime":1476.4699999999998,"body":"it's like a game of six degrees of separation, but"},{"startTime":1476.4699999999998,"endTime":1478.1499999999999,"body":"for horrifying crimes it is."},{"startTime":1478.23,"endTime":1480.9099999999999,"body":"And it's important to analyze why this kind of narrative"},{"startTime":1480.9099999999999,"endTime":1481.27,"body":"works."},{"startTime":1481.52,"endTime":1485.32,"body":"It works because the documented reality, Bill Clinton flying around"},{"startTime":1485.32,"endTime":1488.08,"body":"the world with a sex trafficker, is already so bad,"},{"startTime":1488.24,"endTime":1491.7199999999998,"body":"so compromising, that the leap to he's running a satanic"},{"startTime":1491.7199999999998,"endTime":1494.12,"body":"ring out of a pizza shop feels shorter to people"},{"startTime":1494.12,"endTime":1496.48,"body":"who are already deeply suspicious of the establishment."},{"startTime":1496.48,"endTime":1498.32,"body":"We also have the Clinton cash angle."},{"startTime":1498.32,"endTime":1501.28,"body":"Peter Schweitzer is mentioned in the Mark Larson show clips."},{"startTime":1501.52,"endTime":1504.08,"body":"And this is the more grounded political critique."},{"startTime":1504.32,"endTime":1507.12,"body":"The Clinton cash book wasn't about satanic rituals."},{"startTime":1507.3799999999999,"endTime":1508.58,"body":"It was about funny money."},{"startTime":1509.06,"endTime":1512.6599999999999,"body":"It was about foreign governments and shady figures like Epstein"},{"startTime":1512.82,"endTime":1515.54,"body":"donating to the Clinton foundation as a way to buy"},{"startTime":1515.54,"endTime":1516.1,"body":"influence."},{"startTime":1516.1,"endTime":1519.74,"body":"And the source mentions the FBI was investigating the foundation"},{"startTime":1519.74,"endTime":1521.78,"body":"for pay to play schemes."},{"startTime":1521.86,"endTime":1522.4199999999998,"body":"Correct."},{"startTime":1522.5,"endTime":1525.26,"body":"And that is where the Epstein connection actually hurt the"},{"startTime":1525.26,"endTime":1527.9399999999998,"body":"Clintons politically in a tangible way."},{"startTime":1528.02,"endTime":1531.1,"body":"It reinforced the narrative that the Clintons were corrupt, that"},{"startTime":1531.1,"endTime":1534.06,"body":"they would take money from absolutely anyone, that they were"},{"startTime":1534.06,"endTime":1537.29,"body":"lawless, to quote one of the Buck Sexton clips."},{"startTime":1537.29,"endTime":1539.61,"body":"So on one side you have this he's a demon"},{"startTime":1539.61,"endTime":1542.4499999999998,"body":"involved in child sacrifice narrative, and on the other you"},{"startTime":1542.4499999999998,"endTime":1545.85,"body":"have that he is a corrupt politician selling access narrative."},{"startTime":1545.85,"endTime":1547.9299999999998,"body":"And Epstein's story feeds both of them."},{"startTime":1547.9299999999998,"endTime":1549.25,"body":"He is the universal villain."},{"startTime":1549.25,"endTime":1551.1689999999999,"body":"If you want to prove Clinton is corrupt, you point"},{"startTime":1551.1689999999999,"endTime":1551.85,"body":"to Epstein."},{"startTime":1551.85,"endTime":1553.81,"body":"If you want to prove the entire system is rigged"},{"startTime":1553.81,"endTime":1555.61,"body":"and evil, you point to Epstein."},{"startTime":1555.61,"endTime":1556.9699999999998,"body":"He works for every theory."},{"startTime":1557.1299999999999,"endTime":1559.61,"body":"There's a clip from the Michael Brooks show that argues"},{"startTime":1559.61,"endTime":1562.75,"body":"Hillary Clinton is still wrong about why she lost Wisconsin"},{"startTime":1562.75,"endTime":1563.3899999999999,"body":"in 2016."},{"startTime":1563.9499999999998,"endTime":1566.1899999999998,"body":"But you can make the case that the specter of"},{"startTime":1566.1899999999998,"endTime":1568.83,"body":"these scandals, even the ones that weren't fully public yet,"},{"startTime":1568.99,"endTime":1572.31,"body":"created this deep aura of mistrust that was impossible to"},{"startTime":1572.31,"endTime":1572.6699999999998,"body":"shake."},{"startTime":1572.75,"endTime":1573.4699999999998,"body":"Absolutely."},{"startTime":1573.6299999999999,"endTime":1577.3899999999999,"body":"The Epstein files that were released years later just confirmed"},{"startTime":1577.79,"endTime":1579.99,"body":"what many voters already felt in their gut back in"},{"startTime":1579.99,"endTime":1580.51,"body":"2016."},{"startTime":1580.6699999999998,"endTime":1582.6699999999998,"body":"Yeah, that the elites were all playing by a different"},{"startTime":1582.6699999999998,"endTime":1583.3899999999999,"body":"set of roles."},{"startTime":1583.4699999999998,"endTime":1584.6699999999998,"body":"So let's bring this all home."},{"startTime":1584.6699999999998,"endTime":1585.6699999999998,"body":"Let's synthesize."},{"startTime":1585.6699999999998,"endTime":1588.87,"body":"We've looked at the logs, the depositions, the internal emails,"},{"startTime":1588.87,"endTime":1589.87,"body":"the media fallout."},{"startTime":1590.03,"endTime":1592.11,"body":"What is the final verdict of the files?"},{"startTime":1592.11,"endTime":1593.01,"body":"What is proven?"},{"startTime":1593.01,"endTime":1595.05,"body":"Okay, let's do the documented column first."},{"startTime":1595.29,"endTime":1597.81,"body":"One, flights to Africa are documented."},{"startTime":1597.81,"endTime":1601.4499999999998,"body":"The manifests list Clinton Spacey, Tucker Epstein."},{"startTime":1601.4499999999998,"endTime":1602.1699999999998,"body":"That's a fact."},{"startTime":1602.33,"endTime":1604.8899999999999,"body":"Two, the humanitarian nature of that trip."},{"startTime":1604.8899999999999,"endTime":1605.77,"body":"Documented."},{"startTime":1605.77,"endTime":1606.9299999999998,"body":"They visited projects."},{"startTime":1606.9299999999998,"endTime":1607.81,"body":"They went to that deli."},{"startTime":1607.81,"endTime":1608.6499999999999,"body":"It was a PR tour."},{"startTime":1608.81,"endTime":1613.4099999999999,"body":"Three, flights in August of 2002 and 2003 documented."},{"startTime":1613.4099999999999,"endTime":1614.9699999999998,"body":"These happened after he was president."},{"startTime":1615.1299999999999,"endTime":1617.85,"body":"Four, interactions with Ghislaine Maxwell."},{"startTime":1617.9299999999998,"endTime":1618.9299999999998,"body":"That's documented."},{"startTime":1618.9299999999998,"endTime":1620.25,"body":"She was at Chelsea's wedding."},{"startTime":1620.25,"endTime":1622.01,"body":"She was clearly in the inner circle."},{"startTime":1622.31,"endTime":1625.3899999999999,"body":"And five, Epstein's involvement in the early days of the"},{"startTime":1625.3899999999999,"endTime":1626.7099999999998,"body":"Clinton Global 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secret dinner with Virginia Roberts."},{"startTime":1652.1,"endTime":1652.8999999999999,"body":"Disputed."},{"startTime":1653.2199999999998,"endTime":1657.1399999999999,"body":"The internal defense documents call that story wholly fabricated."},{"startTime":1657.2199999999998,"endTime":1661.1399999999999,"body":"And three, any direct involvement in Epstein's trafficking operation."},{"startTime":1661.1399999999999,"endTime":1663.9399999999998,"body":"This is heavily alleged by the public discourse, but is"},{"startTime":1663.9399999999998,"endTime":1665.779,"body":"not documented in these specific files."},{"startTime":1665.779,"endTime":1667.3,"body":"No charges, no direct evidence."},{"startTime":1667.4599999999998,"endTime":1668.5,"body":"So what does this all mean?"},{"startTime":1668.5,"endTime":1669.9399999999998,"body":"What's the big so what here?"},{"startTime":1670.02,"endTime":1672.1399999999999,"body":"The so what is that Bill Clinton, a man of"},{"startTime":1672.1399999999999,"endTime":1676.1,"body":"immense intelligence and political skill, allowed himself to be courted,"},{"startTime":1676.3999999999999,"endTime":1678.7199999999998,"body":"used, and ultimately tarnished by a predator."},{"startTime":1678.9599999999998,"endTime":1680.8799999999999,"body":"Used feels like the key word there."},{"startTime":1681.04,"endTime":1681.84,"body":"I think it is."},{"startTime":1682.24,"endTime":1683.9199999999998,"body":"Epstein was a collector of power."},{"startTime":1684.3999999999999,"endTime":1687.04,"body":"He collected Clinton to launder his own reputation."},{"startTime":1687.36,"endTime":1689.48,"body":"He stood next to the former President so that when"},{"startTime":1689.48,"endTime":1691.76,"body":"people looked at him, they didn't see a monster."},{"startTime":1691.84,"endTime":1694.8799999999999,"body":"They saw a friend of Bill and What was in"},{"startTime":1694.8799999999999,"endTime":1695.76,"body":"it for Clinton?"},{"startTime":1696.0,"endTime":1700.1599999999999,"body":"For Clinton, it reveals a catastrophic failure of vetting, a"},{"startTime":1700.1599999999999,"endTime":1703.6399999999999,"body":"massive failure of judgment and maybe a little bit of"},{"startTime":1703.6399999999999,"endTime":1704.1599999999999,"body":"arrogance."},{"startTime":1704.56,"endTime":1708.08,"body":"The belief that he could associate with anyone, go anywhere,"},{"startTime":1708.1599999999999,"endTime":1711.8799999999999,"body":"and his own charisma, his own power, would insulate him"},{"startTime":1711.8799999999999,"endTime":1712.8,"body":"from the consequences."},{"startTime":1712.8799999999999,"endTime":1715.48,"body":"He thought he could regale the group at the deli"},{"startTime":1715.48,"endTime":1716.6399999999999,"body":"and just walk away clean."},{"startTime":1716.6399999999999,"endTime":1719.28,"body":"But you don't walk away clean from Jeffrey Epstein."},{"startTime":1719.6,"endTime":1722.0,"body":"The ink on those flight logs is permanent."},{"startTime":1722.24,"endTime":1725.28,"body":"And while the criminal allegations against Clinton regarding the island"},{"startTime":1725.28,"endTime":1728.77,"body":"remain unproven in these documents, the moral indictment of the"},{"startTime":1728.77,"endTime":1731.1299999999999,"body":"association is right there in black and white for everyone"},{"startTime":1731.1299999999999,"endTime":1731.57,"body":"to see."},{"startTime":1731.57,"endTime":1733.37,"body":"It's a stain that just doesn't wash out."},{"startTime":1733.53,"endTime":1734.8899999999999,"body":"No, it really doesn't."},{"startTime":1735.05,"endTime":1737.77,"body":"So today we establish the reality of the Africa trip,"},{"startTime":1737.77,"endTime":1741.8899999999999,"body":"the internal doubts about specific witness stories and Maxwell's sworn"},{"startTime":1741.8899999999999,"endTime":1744.01,"body":"denial of Clinton's presence on the island."},{"startTime":1744.33,"endTime":1745.77,"body":"Next time, another name."},{"startTime":1745.77,"endTime":1746.49,"body":"Donald Trump."},{"startTime":1746.9699999999998,"endTime":1747.77,"body":"Mar A lago."},{"startTime":1747.85,"endTime":1749.33,"body":"The quote about liking them young."},{"startTime":1749.33,"endTime":1750.2099999999998,"body":"What's documented."},{"startTime":1750.2099999999998,"endTime":1752.09,"body":"That's next time on the Epstein files."},{"startTime":1757.2099999999998,"endTime":1760.3899999999999,"body":"You have just heard an analysis of the official record."},{"startTime":1761.27,"endTime":1765.11,"body":"Every claim name and date mentioned in this episode is"},{"startTime":1765.11,"endTime":1767.1899999999998,"body":"backed by primary source documents."},{"startTime":1767.75,"endTime":1771.75,"body":"You can view the original files for yourself at 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