{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":81.55,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs, Millions of data points, names,"},{"startTime":81.71,"endTime":84.03,"body":"themes and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.71,"endTime":101.10999999999999,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.10999999999999,"endTime":102.03,"body":"It's good to be back."},{"startTime":102.19,"endTime":105.27,"body":"So today we are tackling a name that I think"},{"startTime":105.27,"endTime":108.22999999999999,"body":"for many people is one of the most jarring 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anyone on the planet, presidents, kings, popes, why would"},{"startTime":657.57,"endTime":660.8100000000001,"body":"he take a meeting with Jeffrey Epstein after 2008?"},{"startTime":660.8100000000001,"endTime":661.9300000000001,"body":"And this is the why."},{"startTime":662.48,"endTime":663.9200000000001,"body":"This is the core of the whole issue."},{"startTime":664.0,"endTime":666.12,"body":"And to even begin to understand it, I think we"},{"startTime":666.12,"endTime":668.6800000000001,"body":"have to look at philanthropy as the Trojan horse, the"},{"startTime":668.6800000000001,"endTime":669.6,"body":"COVID of charity."},{"startTime":669.76,"endTime":671.96,"body":"It sounds so cynical to say it, but that really"},{"startTime":671.96,"endTime":673.36,"body":"seems to be the mechanism here."},{"startTime":673.44,"endTime":673.96,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":673.96,"endTime":676.08,"body":"I mean, if we look at sources from that 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seductive."},{"startTime":801.19,"endTime":804.7900000000001,"body":"Even for a billionaire who seemingly has everything, it's extremely"},{"startTime":804.7900000000001,"endTime":805.4300000000001,"body":"seductive."},{"startTime":805.75,"endTime":808.7900000000001,"body":"And Epstein was by all accounts a master manipulator."},{"startTime":809.33,"endTime":811.85,"body":"He knew what people wanted, he knew Gates wanted to"},{"startTime":811.85,"endTime":813.13,"body":"solve these huge problems."},{"startTime":813.13,"endTime":816.0500000000001,"body":"And he presented himself as the key to a very"},{"startTime":816.0500000000001,"endTime":819.89,"body":"specific lock, whether that lock was funding from sovereign wealth"},{"startTime":819.89,"endTime":823.0500000000001,"body":"funds or connections to other high net worth individuals who"},{"startTime":823.0500000000001,"endTime":826.69,"body":"were maybe hesitant to donate through traditional 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any"},{"startTime":1076.59,"endTime":1077.87,"body":"narrative of friendship."},{"startTime":1077.87,"endTime":1079.55,"body":"He wants the world to see it as a business"},{"startTime":1079.55,"endTime":1081.95,"body":"calculation that went wrong, not a social bond."},{"startTime":1081.95,"endTime":1082.59,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":1083.07,"endTime":1086.6299999999999,"body":"But the flight logs, the reports of multiple meetings, the"},{"startTime":1086.6299999999999,"endTime":1090.11,"body":"fact that he went to Epstein's townhouse, that all muddies"},{"startTime":1090.11,"endTime":1091.11,"body":"that water quite a bit."},{"startTime":1091.11,"endTime":1091.87,"body":"It really does."},{"startTime":1091.87,"endTime":1094.4299999999998,"body":"And that's why the public perception shift was so severe."},{"startTime":1094.4299999999998,"endTime":1096.59,"body":"It's very hard to claim this was a purely business"},{"startTime":1096.59,"endTime":1099.11,"body":"relationship when 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that flight entry is"},{"startTime":1251.3,"endTime":1252.4599999999998,"body":"still incredibly important."},{"startTime":1252.86,"endTime":1253.58,"body":"How so?"},{"startTime":1253.6599999999999,"endTime":1256.3,"body":"Because again, it was framed around the Foundation's work."},{"startTime":1256.3,"endTime":1258.6999999999998,"body":"The official explanation was that he was on his way"},{"startTime":1258.6999999999998,"endTime":1260.2199999999998,"body":"to Florida for foundation business."},{"startTime":1261.1,"endTime":1264.34,"body":"But when you were on that plane flying to Palm"},{"startTime":1264.34,"endTime":1268.1499999999999,"body":"beach, the line between business and personal completely dissolves."},{"startTime":1268.3899999999999,"endTime":1270.7099999999998,"body":"You are in a pressurized tube with this man."},{"startTime":1270.79,"endTime":1274.6299999999999,"body":"You are accepting his hospitality, his generosity in Palm 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significant"},{"startTime":1298.6399999999999,"endTime":1299.4399999999998,"body":"level of trust."},{"startTime":1299.52,"endTime":1301.6,"body":"And that's the visual that sticks in people's minds."},{"startTime":1301.6,"endTime":1303.0,"body":"Bill Gates on that plane."},{"startTime":1303.0,"endTime":1303.84,"body":"It's indelible."},{"startTime":1303.9199999999998,"endTime":1305.1999999999998,"body":"It's a powerful image."},{"startTime":1305.36,"endTime":1307.1999999999998,"body":"I want to bring in one last connection that we"},{"startTime":1307.1999999999998,"endTime":1308.52,"body":"found in the evidence files."},{"startTime":1308.52,"endTime":1310.04,"body":"The Microsoft connection, right?"},{"startTime":1310.04,"endTime":1311.4399999999998,"body":"The Paul Allen context."},{"startTime":1311.4399999999998,"endTime":1311.9199999999998,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":1311.9199999999998,"endTime":1315.1999999999998,"body":"We have a source from the CNN Money archive where"},{"startTime":1315.1999999999998,"endTime":1316.8,"body":"Paul Allen is sharing his ideas."},{"startTime":1317.12,"endTime":1318.9599999999998,"body":"Now, we have to be extremely clear."},{"startTime":1319.25,"endTime":1321.57,"body":"Paul Allen is not implicated in the Epstein files."},{"startTime":1321.57,"endTime":1322.37,"body":"No, he is not."},{"startTime":1323.01,"endTime":1324.1299999999999,"body":"And let's repeat that."},{"startTime":1324.37,"endTime":1327.4099999999999,"body":"We are not casting any aspersions on Paul Allen whatsoever."},{"startTime":1327.4099999999999,"endTime":1330.9299999999998,"body":"But the word Microsoft as an entity appears repeatedly in"},{"startTime":1330.9299999999998,"endTime":1335.4099999999999,"body":"the DOJ keyword searches, particularly in those Ghislaine Maxwell transcripts"},{"startTime":1335.4099999999999,"endTime":1336.6499999999999,"body":"that we talked about at the top of the 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laundering."},{"startTime":1381.3,"endTime":1385.1,"body":"Epstein was using Bill Gates pristine reputation to clean his"},{"startTime":1385.1,"endTime":1385.9399999999998,"body":"own filthy one."},{"startTime":1385.9399999999998,"endTime":1389.3,"body":"And in the process, he stained Gates reputation permanently."},{"startTime":1389.4599999999998,"endTime":1391.2199999999998,"body":"That is the tragedy of the exchange."},{"startTime":1391.4599999999998,"endTime":1393.9399999999998,"body":"Gates thought he was getting access to funding for Global"},{"startTime":1393.9399999999998,"endTime":1394.34,"body":"Health."},{"startTime":1394.6599999999999,"endTime":1397.1399999999999,"body":"Epstein was getting social currency and legitimacy."},{"startTime":1397.54,"endTime":1399.54,"body":"In the end, Epstein got the better deal."},{"startTime":1400.27,"endTime":1401.87,"body":"So when we step back and look at all of"},{"startTime":1401.87,"endTime":1405.59,"body":"it, the timeline, the philanthropy excuse, the transcripts, the fallout,"},{"startTime":1405.59,"endTime":1406.83,"body":"what does it all mean to me?"},{"startTime":1406.83,"endTime":1408.75,"body":"It paints a picture of hubris."},{"startTime":1408.9099999999999,"endTime":1409.3899999999999,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":1409.87,"endTime":1413.1899999999998,"body":"The hubris of believing that you are so smart, so"},{"startTime":1413.1899999999998,"endTime":1416.31,"body":"important, so focused on a noble goal, that you can"},{"startTime":1416.31,"endTime":1418.6299999999999,"body":"dance with the devil to do God's work and not"},{"startTime":1418.6299999999999,"endTime":1419.23,"body":"get burned."},{"startTime":1419.55,"endTime":1422.83,"body":"Gates thought he could extract resources from Epstein for his"},{"startTime":1422.83,"endTime":1425.79,"body":"causes without being tainted by Epstein's crimes."},{"startTime":1426.1799999999998,"endTime":1426.82,"body":"He was wrong."},{"startTime":1426.82,"endTime":1430.1399999999999,"body":"And those DOJ files with those cold, dry transcripts of"},{"startTime":1430.1399999999999,"endTime":1433.98,"body":"Maxwell being asked about Bill Gates, they just confirm that"},{"startTime":1433.98,"endTime":1435.3799999999999,"body":"he wasn't some random person."},{"startTime":1435.3799999999999,"endTime":1438.2199999999998,"body":"He was a known quantity in that dark inner circle."},{"startTime":1438.2199999999998,"endTime":1439.1399999999999,"body":"He was a prize."},{"startTime":1439.3799999999999,"endTime":1442.259,"body":"A trophy friend, a shield of legitimacy."},{"startTime":1442.6599999999999,"endTime":1445.58,"body":"And the consequences of allowing himself to become that trophy"},{"startTime":1445.58,"endTime":1447.9399999999998,"body":"are still playing out today for him and for the"},{"startTime":1447.9399999999998,"endTime":1449.06,"body":"causes he cares 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